So pleased to hear you mention the late great Peter Magadini. I was lucky enough to study with him for 2 years in the Bay Area. He gave me enough material for a life time of study. Peter would be delighted that he was included in this conversation. Really enjoying these podcasts Vinnie. Thanks!
Drummers are the steelworkers that lay the groundwork for others to just drive over. I loved this incredibly thoughtful message from Gary on this episode of the show.
So loved hearing two old compatriots talk about their art and craft and their development together. And Gary thank you so much for opening the doors of my ability. I feel it truly has led me to “let go of the side of the pool and swim”!
two hero's talking drums, this is great stuff. What an inspiration. Thank you so much for sharing this. by the way, you could hit anything you want, rythm is something of math, physics and chemistry. The drums are just a great tool for applying it in a practical manner.
I love this so much! I spent 2 years with Gary studying at his house. Im so grateful for the knowledge he passed to me. He changed the way Ive approach playing music and the way I teach my students. I was taking lessons with Steve Smith at The Drummers Collective when I studied there and decided to email Gary. Game changer! You and Steve were a couple of my drum hero’s so I wanted to go to one of the people who I knew you studied with. I love your podcasts. Thank you so much for this one!🙏🏻🥁
Hi Michael. My name is John Robinson and I'm 60 years old but I still have a lot to learn about drums and rhythm. Since you're a teacher and have studied with Gary , what can I do to work on my phrasing? Just trying to improve. I know this might sound weird but I'm just trying to get pointed in the right direction. Thanks in advance if you can help. 🥁❤️
I bought Garys books in 1977 and called him a few times to go over the approach to his studies, he was such a great person giving his time to explain … He invited me to up to Boston to study with him … At the time I had a car that could just about get me to my gig’s so it never happened.. I take with me everything I learned from my Uncle Fred, Gary Jim Chapin and all the great players I’ve listened to over the decades ….. You never stop learning …. It’s Great to back to move forwards.. Thanks for putting this together Vinnie ❤😊
Wow. Thank you Vinnie and Gary. I’ve been exposed to some of Gary’s things, but many years ago……I am going out to find much more. Really appreciate hearing how great minds think. Again, thank you both.
In the 80s I took lessons with someone who had taken lessons with Gary Chaffee. I practiced a lot. To this day I can play just about any combination of single- and double strokes without getting lost.
Hi Vinnie! Absolutely the best interview of my life so far!! I love his book, Freddie Gruber turned me on to it. What a giant of an influence you both are to me and many of us. I’m now a subscriber! Thanks again John
wow this couldnt have resonated more, I think I had an early print of the 3 volume patterns bookset, as am digging into the first viewing on the interview, but the odd groupings - so much to learn so little time , thanks for getting to this series Mr Vinnie , and for this interview, those books had hand written typsetting from what I recall, probably since the odd grouping phrases would cross the beat or bar...this system battled for practice session time with another system that got me hooked the gary chester new breed ostinatos 1 and 2 ps ex pete magadini student here...Vinnie thanks for giving lots of musical examples to look up much appreciated
The importance of this kind of discourse, educational and I would say, mainly, perpetual purposes is vital. The decline due to instant gratification, jumping processes, to get to end results, is staggering. Conversations are integral, since music itself is a universal language with slangs mainly. Listening is key to be an whole individual. Mr. Colaiuta, this is the best knowledge legacy I've seen so far. Chops, artistry, proficiency, is the outcome of this type of discourse. Thank you
I just found this and am so thankful you're doing this podcast Vinnie. I am a big fan but have always been mystified by the Chaffee stuff, and never quite got it. Hearing you guys chat has made me curious to revisit the books. Cheers guys!
13:50 I think it is SOOO critical that young people ( or any age) that are learning an instrument , that they embrace their individuality. I'm sure VInnie felt the same way when he was young and learning. He ultimately just never cared what anyone else was doing, he wasn't trying to be like anyone else.. he wanted to being himself. I'm sure he had moments where he wanted to play like Cobham, etc. but he eventually embraced his own playing style and originality. I believe that that can sometimes be VERY difficult to do. You look at certain techniques and you think.. well, it HAS to be done that way. It takes a lot of self-belief to understand that there are more than a few ways to skin a cat. Of course at the fundamental level you need the " free stroke" , and you need an open/close and/or Moller type approach, but as far as how those things are achieved.. that is open to ones own interpretation.
Dear Vinnie I’m a jazz drummer from Italy and I studied with Gary in the late eighties. I recently released a jazzy Big Band version of your brilliant tune I’m Tweaked, and it’s mixed by George Witthy and Dave Weckl. I would love for you to check it out, because the guitar parts played by a horn section sound pretty good. Please let me know if you’re interested in listening to it and how I can send it over. (It’s here in UA-cam anyways) Thank you for your everlasting inspiration Tony
Vinnie you asked Gary about a lot of things I wanted to know. It seems to me that what makes Gary’s material what it is has to do with developing a greater rhythmic vocabulary, interesting & musical phrasing, technique of course, & putting a player in a better position to improvise.
Because most artists don't consider their place as a role model but just an artist because that's enough to make a living quote un quote. And if ever one demands artists to be role models not socially but musically, as what they do in their craft representing a concept, that person will be outcasted in most cases because "who are you to tell me" etc. Times have definitely changed.
If Vinnie decided to do a video, or book, (or both) I think it would go directly to the top of the best selling drumming centric instructional materials of all time.
This is beautiful, but hang on a second, that student idenified a mistake in Vinnie's playing? He is part of a very elite club. His name is lost in history.
What a fantastic, insightful and inspiring conversation between two legends. Thanks Vinnie! By the way, here is the link to the Frankie Dunlop solo on Blue Monk. Frankie Dunlop was one of the first drummers i ever heard when i was a kid on Maynard Fergusons Live at Birdland album. Highly recommended too. ua-cam.com/video/h_DhUBi8DOc/v-deo.html
Gary's books on linear drumming and metric modulation really opened up my feel and soloistic creativity and phrasing. I have almost no interest in what I hear as linear shredding or gospel chops etc. After 30 sec. I'm out. It's just a bunch of noise with no proper context. Very little musical interesting happening.
A tandem instructional video with you two would be a drumming treasure for the future generations to come.
So pleased to hear you mention the late great Peter Magadini. I was lucky enough to study with him for 2 years in the Bay Area. He gave me enough material for a life time of study.
Peter would be delighted that he was included in this conversation.
Really enjoying these podcasts Vinnie. Thanks!
Drummers are the steelworkers that lay the groundwork for others to just drive over. I loved this incredibly thoughtful message from Gary on this episode of the show.
Hi Gary! I studied with you around 1987 at your house for a summer between semesters at Berklee.
still love both of you over ,any many years!
Hi Vinnie I have always been a fan of your drumming and I still am you blow me away ❤😊
I love Gary Chaffee!!! The greatest teacher I ever had!!!
I LOVE this interview! I started my drumming in the late 80's with his books and still go back to them now.
Vital Interactions 🙏 Gary Chaffee’s books 🙌
Ohhh the great Ed Kaspik....r.i.p and Vinnie and Gary thank you for your contributions to music! ❤❤❤❤ always grateful!!!!
So loved hearing two old compatriots talk about their art and craft and their development together. And Gary thank you so much for opening the doors of my ability. I feel it truly has led me to “let go of the side of the pool and swim”!
two hero's talking drums, this is great stuff. What an inspiration. Thank you so much for sharing this. by the way, you could hit anything you want, rythm is something of math, physics and chemistry. The drums are just a great tool for applying it in a practical manner.
I love this so much! I spent 2 years with Gary studying at his house. Im so grateful for the knowledge he passed to me. He changed the way Ive approach playing music and the way I teach my students. I was taking lessons with Steve Smith at The Drummers Collective when I studied there and decided to email Gary. Game changer! You and Steve were a couple of my drum hero’s so I wanted to go to one of the people who I knew you studied with. I love your podcasts. Thank you so much for this one!🙏🏻🥁
Hi Michael. My name is John Robinson and I'm 60 years old but I still have a lot to learn about drums and rhythm. Since you're a teacher and have studied with Gary , what can I do to work on my phrasing? Just trying to improve. I know this might sound weird but I'm just trying to get pointed in the right direction. Thanks in advance if you can help. 🥁❤️
I bought Garys books in 1977 and called him a few times to go over the approach to his studies, he was such a great person giving his time to explain … He invited me to up to Boston to study with him … At the time I had a car that could just about get me to my gig’s so it never happened.. I take with me everything I learned from my Uncle Fred, Gary Jim Chapin and all the great players I’ve listened to over the decades ….. You never stop learning …. It’s Great to back to move forwards.. Thanks for putting this together Vinnie ❤😊
Wow. Thank you Vinnie and Gary. I’ve been exposed to some of Gary’s things, but many years ago……I am going out to find much more. Really appreciate hearing how great minds think. Again, thank you both.
In the 80s I took lessons with someone who had taken lessons with Gary Chaffee. I practiced a lot. To this day I can play just about any combination of single- and double strokes without getting lost.
Gary's material is the best.
Hi Vinnie! Absolutely the best interview of my life so far!! I love his book, Freddie Gruber turned me on to it. What a giant of an influence you both are to me and many of us. I’m now a subscriber! Thanks again John
@@johnvatos346 thank you!
wow this couldnt have resonated more, I think I had an early print of the 3 volume patterns bookset, as am digging into the first viewing on the interview, but the odd groupings - so much to learn so little time , thanks for getting to this series Mr Vinnie , and for this interview, those books had hand written typsetting from what I recall, probably since the odd grouping phrases would cross the beat or bar...this system battled for practice session time with another system that got me hooked the gary chester new breed ostinatos 1 and 2 ps ex pete magadini student here...Vinnie thanks for giving lots of musical examples to look up much appreciated
I’d love to hear Gary talk about doing his first tour as a bandleader.
The importance of this kind of discourse, educational and I would say, mainly, perpetual purposes is vital. The decline due to instant gratification, jumping processes, to get to end results, is staggering. Conversations are integral, since music itself is a universal language with slangs mainly. Listening is key to be an whole individual.
Mr. Colaiuta, this is the best knowledge legacy I've seen so far. Chops, artistry, proficiency, is the outcome of this type of discourse. Thank you
10:30 Forget the Drumeo “Hears for the First Time” challenges, Gary threw down the gauntlet
Still using Those Books. Thanks both of you.
Two legends having a FaceTime. I hope Gary got rich off of his books, because he sure enriched so many drummers, including myself.
As well studied as Chaffee's work is, it's still an outrageously underutilized resource in the drumming community!
What a great video! Thank you for sharing!
I just found this and am so thankful you're doing this podcast Vinnie. I am a big fan but have always been mystified by the Chaffee stuff, and never quite got it. Hearing you guys chat has made me curious to revisit the books.
Cheers guys!
13:50 I think it is SOOO critical that young people ( or any age) that are learning an instrument , that they embrace their individuality. I'm sure VInnie felt the same way when he was young and learning. He ultimately just never cared what anyone else was doing, he wasn't trying to be like anyone else.. he wanted to being himself. I'm sure he had moments where he wanted to play like Cobham, etc. but he eventually embraced his own playing style and originality. I believe that that can sometimes be VERY difficult to do. You look at certain techniques and you think.. well, it HAS to be done that way. It takes a lot of self-belief to understand that there are more than a few ways to skin a cat. Of course at the fundamental level you need the " free stroke" , and you need an open/close and/or Moller type approach, but as far as how those things are achieved.. that is open to ones own interpretation.
Interesting and entertaining from beginning to end!! Thank you, gentlemen!!
I studied with Gary in the mid 80s for a year and a half.
Wow thats awesome stories and deep drumming knowledge right there! It’s funny that you guys think alike. Thanks for the podcast.
This is just an amazing interview omg,Thanku.
Dear Vinnie I’m a jazz drummer from Italy and I studied with Gary in the late eighties. I recently released a jazzy Big Band version of your brilliant tune I’m Tweaked, and it’s mixed by George Witthy and Dave Weckl. I would love for you to check it out, because the guitar parts played by a horn section sound pretty good. Please let me know if you’re interested in listening to it and how I can send it over. (It’s here in UA-cam anyways)
Thank you for your everlasting inspiration
Tony
Frankie Dunlop ! I have that on VHS. Stunning 16 bars❤❤❤❤
Thank you Vinnie
Vinnie you asked Gary about a lot of things I wanted to know. It seems to me that what makes Gary’s material what it is has to do with developing a greater rhythmic vocabulary, interesting & musical phrasing, technique of course, & putting a player in a better position to improvise.
Looking up Ionisation and Amores right now. Be back to finish this interview in a bit....
....what was that absolutely glorious noise, boys?!? Thank you.
Thank you for doing this Vinnie !
Great conversation! Love the part about “product of society”. Do we want to be the product or do we want to be the producer?
Great stuff. Question: is Vinnie refering to the piece Ionization by Edgard Varese?
I love listening to you both talk about music and education. Great stuff! Thanks! You are both living legends!
Thank you maestros!
50:51 so right on.
Thank you for this channel❤love from croatia
Can anyone help me the with /artist name of the tune that Vinnie referred to with Frankie Dunlap playing a 16 bar so?
Blue Monk
Wait, you didn’t talk about Gary’s bass drum muffler? Come on!
Seriously, this was an awesome interview. Will rewatch.
Fantastic!
👏👏🙌🙌🎶✌️🙏☯️thank you so much!
Great interview!!!
You got it bro. Great instructor, loved this.
46:27 right on.
I bought his books
Vinnie - You should interview Frank Bellucci from NY!
Because most artists don't consider their place as a role model but just an artist because that's enough to make a living quote un quote. And if ever one demands artists to be role models not socially but musically, as what they do in their craft representing a concept, that person will be outcasted in most cases because "who are you to tell me" etc. Times have definitely changed.
How am I just finding this?!?! C'mon UA-cam.....
AMORES : John Cage (Composer) 3 Percussionists, Prep. Piano
Yesss!!!!
I haven’t seen any instructional materials from Vinnie , there are any ?
If Vinnie decided to do a video, or book, (or both) I think it would go directly to the top of the best selling drumming centric instructional materials of all time.
@@christopherodonnell1504
Gary is one of the best either.
Do the duet with Chad Wackerman that Gary was talking about
❤❤ Geniuses
This is beautiful, but hang on a second, that student idenified a mistake in Vinnie's playing? He is part of a very elite club. His name is lost in history.
Genius
I have all 4 of Gary's books, but they're overwhelming. It's too much material. I would need to study with him to get anything out of them.
Roland drums. If anyone was watching. Send Gary a new electronic kit. He’s a legend.
🎉🎉🎉
What a fantastic, insightful and inspiring conversation between two legends. Thanks Vinnie! By the way, here is the link to the Frankie Dunlop solo on Blue Monk. Frankie Dunlop was one of the first drummers i ever heard when i was a kid on Maynard Fergusons Live at Birdland album. Highly recommended too. ua-cam.com/video/h_DhUBi8DOc/v-deo.html
Too bad FZ is no longer with us.
That wpuld be an AWESOME interview. Vinnie interviewing Frank❤. RIP FZ
Gary's books on linear drumming and metric modulation really opened up my feel and soloistic creativity and phrasing.
I have almost no interest in what I hear as linear shredding or gospel chops etc. After 30 sec. I'm out. It's just a bunch of noise with no proper context. Very little musical interesting happening.
All of the greats will soon be gone, and we will left with the biggest generation of nincompoop drummers this planet has ever seen. Thanks Vinnie!!
If you feel it play it ,,I swing on everything,,