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I've been telling wife/ sisters/ parents that I want gift cards to Sweetwater. Planning on buying my own drum mics and interface so I can start recording my own music.
Don't get too wrapped up in what kind of drums you buy. Remember, only other drummers care about what kind of drums you use. Good heads, proper tuning and quality cymbals are far more important than what brand or type of kit you play. No one in the audience is going to leave because you're playing on poplar and not maple.
I agree with the cymbals. Higher end cymbals sound better than cheap cymbals. I made a 100 dollar ddrum acoustic kit sound of incredible with just the change of the heads. Ppl couldn't believe how great it sounded for as much as I paid for it.
Spot on! I recently bought a four-piece DDrum Journeyman which isn’t considered high-end. Changed to proper heads, have a Ludwig Black Beauty snare and Meinl Pure Alloy/Classics Custom cymbals and the kit sounds absolute killer. I think the Journeyman itself is about 600$, got everything brand new for about 3500$. Really satisfied.
Right you are, Jerry. I have a Mapex Storm kit that's made out of poplar and with good heads and the right tuning they sound fantastic. People think that poplar sounds bad but it's used as a combo wood on some high-end drums. One of the reasons why poplar is cheaper than maple is because the tree grows straight and tall and you can obtain more boardfeet of lumber from a poplar than from most other species.
Can we all stop for a minute and appreciate the quality of the videography for these videos? Man, your drone shots are awesome and the editing is excellent.
I would also add the "ease of recording" factor with electronic drums as well. They are a VERY good tool for songh writers, for sure. When paired with a decent VST its impossible to tell the difference. Actually it is because they sound SO much better than they would if you recorded a kit in your bedroom!
The Ludwig classic maple kits are also incredible. Don't let the name 'Classic' fool you. These are super versatile kits and come in all shapes and sizes. They also have a lot of beautiful finishes.
Lots to comment on, in video order: 1) While technically all electronic devices are electric, electronic is the more specific and accurate word. 2) Different styles of jazz tend to use different sizes. The standard 18x14 be-bop bass drum isn't the best size to use if you're playing modern fusion. Big band drummers used to use 24" or even 26" bass drums, but nowadays tend to go smaller. However, tuning can allow you to get away with using "improper" sizes, to a point - you'll never make an 18" bass drum sound like a 24", but a larger drum can be made to sound somewhat smaller. 3) Do rock drummers no longer use deeper toms? Back in the 80s and early 90s, it was 12x10 (12x11 if you're Tama), then in the late 90s and 2000s some started using 12x9. Are rock drummers back to using 12x8? 4) Ergonomics are another consideration WRT sizes, specifically how high your rack tom(s) end up being relative to your snare, due to tom depths + bass drum diameter. Some people don't care, and they want that 24" bass drum no matter what, but some might prefer a smaller bass drum and shallower toms to make the kit more comfortable to play, even if it means not getting to sound like Bonham. 5) Wood species does not have a drastic effect on drum sound. At best, "drastic" is relative to how uncompromising you are to obtaining your exact concept of the ideal sound, if you even have one. However, in a universal sense, differences between wood species are slight. No one is going to be able to hear the difference in a band situation, and if the drums are mic'd, the sound can be adjusted with EQ. Quality construction, good heads, and proper tuning have a far greater effect. 6) While not a decision many drummers have to make, you forgot to discuss counterhoops. As someone with drums with triple flanged, die-cast, and wood hoops, I feel that, unless you really know what you're getting into, stick with triple flanged. Wood hoops are higher maintenance and more difficult to replace unless they're unfinished, while die-cast hoops choke the drum a little and have a less forgiving feel when hitting rimshots. And both are a lot more expensive. 7) If you're on a budget, put your money toward a few quality cymbals and a good snare drum first.
I am a happy user of a Pearl decade maple set - 6 pieces. Very happy about this mid range drum kit, but I find there is no limits, compared to all other music instruments on how to compose a drum set, equaly among the choice of pieces and hardware as much as how to actually place them. I bet, without much risk of losing, there is no 2 identical sets in the world, as soon as they come out of the box, most drummers have customized/prefered setup and parts. I think of my drum set more as collection item than a music instrument, and it proudly throne in my living room where most people would have a home theater and couches. I like the idea of being my own earthquake maker, fortunatly for the neighbors, I have none. Cheers and thanks for this presentation.
An awesome maple snare at a great value is the 13” X 7” Tama SLP G Maple. Very versatile and will only set you back $379. Relatively cheap as far as high end gear goes.
i miss my pearl vision set from 10 years ago. i had to get a 2nd snare for all situations but you cant go wrong with one wood and one metal. one was a pearl sensitone, and the other was a pearl vision birch snare. despite being cheaper snares, once i figured out what combination of heads and tuning to use on them both, i fell in love! if you have to choose only 1 then what you need to ask yourself is "do i want a *ping* or a *crack* ?"
I’d love to try a 21” kick drum. It might be the perfect kick drum. Low end of a 22 with the punchiness, playability and versatility of a 20. But head companies would have to start making a 21” head which shouldn’t be a big deal at all for them.
@@drumminggouda - That is my understanding. Keep in mind that is based solely off of what I’ve read in interviews and such; I have no connection with DW, nor was I a personal friend of Mr. Peart. There was at least one article where he was pining for the depth of a 24, with the punch of a 22, and allegedly voila!
Awesome video. Keep up the great work. Anyone wanting to learn the drums. You need to get on the DBO waiting list. Gabe is an amazing teacher, an you can not go wrong. Hope to see you all there.
My dream kit is a pearl but as a beginner I went with a ludwig accent 5 piece and added quite a few zildjian cymbals and hihats. I have to say I love it although I have to get better at the tuning of them as well as keep working on my rudiments.
First kit was a primer at 7. 2nd was and is my baby Ludwig rockers. Still use 99% of the time. 3rd is a pearl export. I'm not great at wood types, bearings, ect. I just like what I hear regardless of what others think of it. Even mix matching drums. You do what you want! Be creative! Don't let people tell you how you should do your kits. If you like it, that's all that matters
for drummers who don’t like electric drums but can’t have extremely loud acoustic drums - try buying mesh drum heads and either getting rubber pads for your cymbals or replace them with perforated cymbals. really saved my life because I was struggling with an e-kit, but I would say you shouldn’t go straight ahead with doing this if you are a beginner, have a low budget range or haven’t really experimented with different types of drum kits yet.
I played multiple live gigs at real clubs with my Yamaha DTXpress kit....some issues but all easily addressed during the gig....the sound man always liked the electronic drums! But I do like playing acoustic drums live better, certainly feels better to control dynamics via touch rather than very limited settings
@@michaelsell3646 A 5.5" steel one. Around $70 I used to play edrums. This was my first acoustic drum purchase, so I was confused between wood and metal and depth. I wanted to buy a cheap snare drum to learn tuning. There were no music shops in my locality which would sell drums for me to try them. So I watched some videos like this and bought a steel snare drum
Another brass snaredrum that I can totally recommend now that I had the chance to try it out for a couple of weeks is the Tama John Tempesta signature snare which is reaaaaaally punchy and has a lot of nice overtones!
I'm still rockin' the Vision series Natural Birch rig, but I would love to get my hands on an identical set up Masterworks in Marine Blue fade with black nickel hardware...
There's one other aspect I can think of that wasn't mentioned and that's bearing edges on your drum shells. Shells with a more rounded 30 degree edge will have more contact on the drum head, creating less attack and more warmth, suited for jazz and quieter music. Sharper 45 degree edges will have less contact, thus more attack and volume to cut through the mix.
Keep up with the awesome videos :) Hard rock bordering on metalhead here. Had a pearl export (20/10/12/14, sorry, don't remember the depths) and a mapex saturn 3 (22x20/12x10/16x16/18x18), both using a Mapex Black Panther Phantom snare as a usual main but had the Pearl export snare as a backup or side snare. I found I liked the 1 rack 2 floor setup better than the 2 rack 1 floor for a 5 piece, but those are rare to come across without ordering a 3 piece and an extra floor tom, or a 5 piece and dropping one rack tom. The biggest thing I found that improved tone and presence was quality cymbals and heads. As much as I preferred the saturn 3, the export definitely got more practice and road use as they were a fair amount cheaper to replace in the event of damage or theft. If there was a nice venue (rare for the bands I was in in those days) I'd drag out the saturns, but those exports with the phantom snare killed every performance I setup at, though I did miss the second floor tom for those thunderous breakdowns and shots. Hardware? Something solid, smooth, and within your budget, though I wholeheartedly recommend double braced stands over single. The Pearl eliminator series did me very well for many years with the export kit, and when I found the Saturn 3 kit, I splurged on a Mapex Falcon double bass pedal because... uh... idk, brand matching? Biggest difference was the option to swap to a direct drive bass linkage and the swappable weights in the beater head, and a bit smoother operation iirc Definitely recommend the Aquarius Superkick 2 bass batter and the Remo controlled sound snare batter. I never experimented with tom heads much past what was suggested as good, so I don't have much to say there. For cymbals, I found I liked the sound of Sabian HH and HHx series crashes, rides, and hihats, a Vault 19" Holy China and a Paragon splash cymbal (I think it was a 10"? maybe a 12"? Not sure why I went on that long of a rant, but hey, maybe someone will find that useful, and I got to relive the glory days when I got paid to hit things with sticks LOL ...oh yeah, wishlist? dude, I'd love to even be able to afford to own a kit again, especially that Phantom snare. They were the first things that went when I was without reliable income for half of 2016, along with most of my guitars. Bought some new to me guitars and amps since then, and have been focusing on that more so because it's a fair bit cheaper to get back into from scratch.:( /endADHDrant
My all time favorite snares ever! Pearl ultracast snare, 6x14 Yamaha musashi snare, 5x14 Dw collectors series, 7x14 Favorite kits ever.... Tama starclassic bubinga, current kit Dw collectors series Pearl masterworks kit
I have had three electronic kits all Roland a TD6, TD11KV and a TD25KV, before the TD11&25 I had a TAMA Rockstar acoustic set which I bought second hand, sold it to buy the TD25 but could not get it to sound like an acoustic set! The rubber cymbals especially the high hat I didn’t like, so I thought why don’t I just buy an acoustic set and be happy, so I bought a new Pearl export studio set bought a new set of Evans heads now I am happy! As we are just an amateur band and play these days only for fun in a small “studio” then these fit the bill.
High Tier: Ludwig Legacy/Classic Maple, Gretsch USA Custom, Pearl Masterworks, DW Collectors Medium Tier: Pearl Export, Gretsch Catalina, Tama Imperialstar Entry Tier: Ludwig Accent, Pearl Roadshow ALWAYS BUY USED!!
funny thing i watch this video and it convince me to get a metal snare, i went to amazon and settle for a Ludwig Supralite since the price was good...Receive the package..opened it and amazon must have messed up as i receive a brand spanking new Ludwig LB417 (black beauty) and it was in a Supralite box. so thank you Gabe for your advice and thanks to the amazon staff who messed up the packaging.
I love how you threw in the fact about the higher tier drum kits don't come with a snare hardware or cymbals but hopefully by the time someone like myself is ready to buy one they will have the hardware snare and cymbals already just saying.
I use and own both e-kits and acoustic. I don’t have much experience with acoustics as I’ve only ever owned one but I’d always recommend going with mesh head e-drums. In particular Roland ones because you CAN replace the heads on them if they break which I have done before. I do have a wood snare recommendation and that’s the Tama SLP Fat Spruce. It looks beautiful and gives off a fantastic low end even at higher tunings
Wish SJC got a little love here. For $600, their Pathfinder 3-piece shell set is actually insanely good, especially for the money. Been on it for 2 years now and I'm still as happy with as I was on day 1.
I loved your video✌️ I personally play: Ludwig Lb 403 Super brass snare drum (14x6.5) and i love this thing, it has such a nice punch to it and even though I've been playing it for 5 years, i get a smile on my face every time i hit it on stage. I do use a Tama drum set and some paiste, zildijan, and meinl cymbals: Tama Superstar Custom Hyperdrive 22" Flat Black « with 8, 10, 12, 14, 16 for the toms. Cymbals: Meinl classics custom crash ( 14, 16) Meinl dark custom dual trash crash (16) Meinl dark custom trash china (18) Paiste Pst 8: Hihat (14): medium and sound edge Crash (14) 2x Crash(16) Crash(18) Medium Ride (20) Zildijan: K custom sweet (18, 16) K custome ride (22, 20) A custom (14) A custom (18) I play all styles of music, but of course not with all the cymbals. I play in various types of bands so I am very happy to choose a sound from rock/metal to some jazz if needed. Of course i have to say that i play pop/rock/classic arrangements with a traditional tyrolian orchestra (Blasmusik) Lots of love from Austria Buddy🇦🇹✌️
I’m not sure about wood type effecting sound, at least not noticeable sound. Didn’t John Bonham use an acrylic kit at one point? Close your eyes and see if you can tell a drum’s material type. I think it’s probably a marketing thing. I’ve heard a drum kit made from sewer pipes. Sounded great. 🤷🏻♂️
i havent even watched the video yet and i already love it. already planning on buying my first snare soon (even though its not a full set but sooner in life absolutely 😅)
I have to disagree with certain sizes of drums for types of genres. I belive its all about turning your drums I use and have used a jazz kit 18 12 14 14 for rock and metal bands. With ease. And they sound better than a big kit surprisingly
trying to pick a set for my 12yr old daughter.. she loves Travis' style of music.. we're also located in mid MI.. i'll have to check out off beat drum co.. i dig the same music and can't help but get interested in whatever she's doing.. so i subbed. lol we also skate.. cool to see ya on a board! and thanks for the info, bud
Great vid! Personally I have narrowed down my snare choices to 2; a Pearl B4514 ( a Jupiter without the parallel strainer ), and a Pearl Vinnie Paul signature snare. One COB, one wood, both great sounding snare drums
Thank you Gabe. I have often wondered at the differences in the various woods used to make drums. This was most helpful to me in determining what my next kit will be. Currently, I play a PDP Double Drive (a birthday gift a few years ago). Though it is more suited to Rock or Metal, I find that it works well with the eclectic playing that I do. I play rock, jazz, Latin, funk, reggae and even ballads on this kit. Your video explained to me why I have a difficult time tuning the snare to get the sound I like. Based upon the wood, it is more suited to a lower tuning and I prefer a higher tuning. Thus far I have compensated with moon gel, but after this, I may tune it down a little and see if I can find a happy medium. :-)
Ok, so, ill try to be short... though I'm an over-explainer, so, I apologize in advance... and ill probably leave similar comments of different drums videos and forums I just found... again, I'm sorry :/ My son saved as a teenager to buy his first kit, a Mapex M... used, replaced the heads and my husband tuned it well and over the years he added/ upgraded lots and he loves it! Since 19 he's been out doing a lot of volunteer disaster relief work so could of course only bring some clothes and tools. So, on visits home he'd have a bunch of songs already written so would record his drums, guitar and piano, all self taught. Anyway..... I loved being able to go down to the basement and pay around on his drums... I have significant health issues so, not as often as I liked to, but tried to teach myself some beats, but we're realizing now that even though I'm ambidextrous, I'd apparently be more comfortable with a more left handed set up, my sons is right. Again, I'm not worried about becoming a real musician, art has been my therapy, but, sometimes ya need therapy that gives you the ability to use more force and he LOUD until I'm almost too exhausted and in too much pain to get back upstairs for a bit... but totally worth it. My husband would occasionally play around on them and is more at ease with them. So, I'm used to playing on a nice kit😊so, weeks ago, he found a place that he can set up his drums set and all his music and recording equipment up where he lives now, so, I know what they mean to him so as a mom, I'm SUPER excited he can have them with him!! As an old lady that loved being able to go pound on some drums whenever my body let me, 😢😂🤦🏻♀️he was super sweet and got me a small roll out pad with pedals to practice on, which is awesome, but, electric just doesn't cut it when I need o make some real noise and be able to pound away at will😊 We can't afford any... but my husband watches me air drum, or on tables or on anything near me when certain songs hit and my RA riddled hands allow it😊 so he's been combing Craigslist, ebay, local shops (small town, not much available) for a good set that will last that we can both make our own. Truth be told, I'm a brat and want my own so that I can do them as a lefty, but also I don't like all the glitter that seems to be on everything... I will never understand why so many guys want the most gody glitter drums or boats(lost of fishing tournaments here here and yuck) so if they were mine, I like lived in, stickers from places we go or if paint splashes on them, the shell, of course never the heads or cymbals or anything, I'm not that crazy... but, I'm fine with that... just more, me, I guess. My husband about fell over when I said that's what I wanted to do cuz he feels if the original is in good shape and looks "good"(obviously that a relative term) there's NO reason to mess that up..... so, that will be an argument for later, 😂 not really, of course I'd just let them be his and nice 😬🤷🏻♀️ But, oh my gosh these things are so freakin expensive 😢😭 We found a Tama impirialstar set(kick 2 reg toms, 1 floor), basic heads & cymbals but no stands in sparkle blue of course 🙄no throne(realize I don't love that term but, seems to be what is said😊) for 200 or 250 with the snare. But we'd need to drop a good chunk on stands and different things as well ... Or a Mapex Pro M set, including everything with ok heads, not great, same with the cymbals and basic uncomfortable stool for 500. Its color is black chrome pearl... very shiny😬... We don't have the money for any of it... keep telling my hubby that, but he's sweet and with my most recent run in with a surgeon that almost killed me and ruined my life forever instead of helping me, I know he's emotional about it. I have loved drums all my life, but, wasn't possible for me then. And not something I must do now at all!! But, no matter what I say he keeps looking, texting, calling & emailing a bunch of people for them, so I can't seem to stop it. So just trying to get some feedback. We're spoiled with all the lovely deep toms(my fave sounds😊) and awesome kit of our sons, so we don't need anything crazy, but don't want to waste our money getting junk either... if that makes sense. So, sorry again for the long comment, I'm sure it'll annoy a lot and if so, no problem, I'll take it down😊 Thanks everyone! Nice video and I'll definitely look into your class stuff and more videos!! Thanks!! Jade
Honestly I have so many drum kits I have all kinds drums for all genres in all kinds of sizes with different head combinations. Also e kits is great to have too and I have a Roland td 20 that I love
I’ve had an acoustic for around 4 years. At Christmas though I’ve started making music using a software and my acoustic isn’t able to record. The only trouble is I don’t want to buy an electric if it’s really crappy in feel for an insane price.?
I just watched a video comparing all the different woods and there was little to no difference, but in this video it says that wood type plays a huge part of the sound. Someone help.
Ive got 12-13 inch rack toms, 2 16s on the floor (I want a 14 or 18 but havent found one that matches the set color wise) 22 inch kick. 14x5.5 snare. 14 inch hats, 16-18 crash, 20 inch ride, 18 inch china. Eventually adding a splash and hopefully 14 and 18 inch floor toms. Gotta bring that thunder.
Too late It would have been useful if you posted it last year I bought my kit already anyways good video. A suggestion from me- If you are confused among electronic and acoustic listen this. If there is even 1% chance that your surroundings and neighbours can bear acoustic drums then go for it.
Sir, disagree w/ E-drums not being good for live, especially for bands playing small bar/club gigs or weddings. As a former FoH sound engineer, I loved being able to control everything the audience heard through through the PA, plus didn't have to worry about some idiot bashing away on the cymbals forcing everything to be too loud for the occasion. Do agree w/ Mr. Walker below that shell material not nearly as important as proper tuning and consistent striking of heads. Even cheap kits like my 80's era Pearl Export can sound very good when setup properly.
I’m intermediate and pretty short but I want a kit that comes with at least a ride, crash and a snare with the other 3 toms. I play almost always rock but I’d like to get into pop a little down the road I’m 5’2. Can you recommend a kit for me?
u should make a video abt the apps on ur phone (just like going thru everything, showing anything that helps u drumming wise) just a random video idea i thought would be cool
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I've been telling wife/ sisters/ parents that I want gift cards to Sweetwater. Planning on buying my own drum mics and interface so I can start recording my own music.
@@mondragon9282 Heck yes!
Loving my meinl custom dark hi hats, hoping Santa has the 22" ride for me 😁
What do you think about the SJC pathfinder kit for a rock/metal setup?
I love Green Day. What kind of drums would be good for that tone.
Don't get too wrapped up in what kind of drums you buy. Remember, only other drummers care about what kind of drums you use. Good heads, proper tuning and quality cymbals are far more important than what brand or type of kit you play. No one in the audience is going to leave because you're playing on poplar and not maple.
I agree with the cymbals. Higher end cymbals sound better than cheap cymbals.
I made a 100 dollar ddrum acoustic kit sound of incredible with just the change of the heads. Ppl couldn't believe how great it sounded for as much as I paid for it.
Spot on! I recently bought a four-piece DDrum Journeyman which isn’t considered high-end. Changed to proper heads, have a Ludwig Black Beauty snare and Meinl Pure Alloy/Classics Custom cymbals and the kit sounds absolute killer. I think the Journeyman itself is about 600$, got everything brand new for about 3500$. Really satisfied.
Right you are, Jerry. I have a Mapex Storm kit that's made out of poplar and with good heads and the right tuning they sound fantastic. People think that poplar sounds bad but it's used as a combo wood on some high-end drums. One of the reasons why poplar is cheaper than maple is because the tree grows straight and tall and you can obtain more boardfeet of lumber from a poplar than from most other species.
thank u for this. im trying to get into drums hardcore, but its so damn overwhelming. So many options!!!!!!
Well said!
Can we all stop for a minute and appreciate the quality of the videography for these videos? Man, your drone shots are awesome and the editing is excellent.
I appreciate that!
Sorry...not here for that reason.
I would also add the "ease of recording" factor with electronic drums as well. They are a VERY good tool for songh writers, for sure. When paired with a decent VST its impossible to tell the difference. Actually it is because they sound SO much better than they would if you recorded a kit in your bedroom!
The Ludwig classic maple kits are also incredible. Don't let the name 'Classic' fool you. These are super versatile kits and come in all shapes and sizes. They also have a lot of beautiful finishes.
Lots to comment on, in video order:
1) While technically all electronic devices are electric, electronic is the more specific and accurate word.
2) Different styles of jazz tend to use different sizes. The standard 18x14 be-bop bass drum isn't the best size to use if you're playing modern fusion. Big band drummers used to use 24" or even 26" bass drums, but nowadays tend to go smaller. However, tuning can allow you to get away with using "improper" sizes, to a point - you'll never make an 18" bass drum sound like a 24", but a larger drum can be made to sound somewhat smaller.
3) Do rock drummers no longer use deeper toms? Back in the 80s and early 90s, it was 12x10 (12x11 if you're Tama), then in the late 90s and 2000s some started using 12x9. Are rock drummers back to using 12x8?
4) Ergonomics are another consideration WRT sizes, specifically how high your rack tom(s) end up being relative to your snare, due to tom depths + bass drum diameter. Some people don't care, and they want that 24" bass drum no matter what, but some might prefer a smaller bass drum and shallower toms to make the kit more comfortable to play, even if it means not getting to sound like Bonham.
5) Wood species does not have a drastic effect on drum sound. At best, "drastic" is relative to how uncompromising you are to obtaining your exact concept of the ideal sound, if you even have one. However, in a universal sense, differences between wood species are slight. No one is going to be able to hear the difference in a band situation, and if the drums are mic'd, the sound can be adjusted with EQ. Quality construction, good heads, and proper tuning have a far greater effect.
6) While not a decision many drummers have to make, you forgot to discuss counterhoops. As someone with drums with triple flanged, die-cast, and wood hoops, I feel that, unless you really know what you're getting into, stick with triple flanged. Wood hoops are higher maintenance and more difficult to replace unless they're unfinished, while die-cast hoops choke the drum a little and have a less forgiving feel when hitting rimshots. And both are a lot more expensive.
7) If you're on a budget, put your money toward a few quality cymbals and a good snare drum first.
I am a happy user of a Pearl decade maple set - 6 pieces. Very happy about this mid range drum kit, but I find there is no limits, compared to all other music instruments on how to compose a drum set, equaly among the choice of pieces and hardware as much as how to actually place them. I bet, without much risk of losing, there is no 2 identical sets in the world, as soon as they come out of the box, most drummers have customized/prefered setup and parts.
I think of my drum set more as collection item than a music instrument, and it proudly throne in my living room where most people would have a home theater and couches. I like the idea of being my own earthquake maker, fortunatly for the neighbors, I have none. Cheers and thanks for this presentation.
I love that!
I am 53 years and watching all about drums as this was still on my bucket list! Thanks for all the tips!
An awesome maple snare at a great value is the 13” X 7” Tama SLP G Maple. Very versatile and will only set you back $379. Relatively cheap as far as high end gear goes.
i miss my pearl vision set from 10 years ago. i had to get a 2nd snare for all situations but you cant go wrong with one wood and one metal. one was a pearl sensitone, and the other was a pearl vision birch snare. despite being cheaper snares, once i figured out what combination of heads and tuning to use on them both, i fell in love! if you have to choose only 1 then what you need to ask yourself is "do i want a *ping* or a *crack* ?"
I’d love to try a 21” kick drum. It might be the perfect kick drum. Low end of a 22 with the punchiness, playability and versatility of a 20. But head companies would have to start making a 21” head which shouldn’t be a big deal at all for them.
I hear that!
…after all, they did it for Neil Peart with a 23” bass - so as long as you’re at least as famous as him it shouldn’t be a problem! 😁
@@bradcrosier1332 did dw start producing 23" bassdrums because of Neil Peart????
@@drumminggouda - That is my understanding. Keep in mind that is based solely off of what I’ve read in interviews and such; I have no connection with DW, nor was I a personal friend of Mr. Peart. There was at least one article where he was pining for the depth of a 24, with the punch of a 22, and allegedly voila!
DW makes a 23" bass drum and I believe Remo makes the heads for them.
Awesome video. Keep up the great work. Anyone wanting to learn the drums. You need to get on the DBO waiting list. Gabe is an amazing teacher, an you can not go wrong. Hope to see you all there.
Thanks so much my friend! Love having you inside DBO Academy!
@@DrumBeatsOnline it is the best. Just wish I got on there sooner. But better late then never.
Would be tough, but maybe setting up and playing the choices would be helpful.
My dream kit is a pearl but as a beginner I went with a ludwig accent 5 piece and added quite a few zildjian cymbals and hihats. I have to say I love it although I have to get better at the tuning of them as well as keep working on my rudiments.
First kit was a primer at 7. 2nd was and is my baby Ludwig rockers. Still use 99% of the time. 3rd is a pearl export. I'm not great at wood types, bearings, ect. I just like what I hear regardless of what others think of it. Even mix matching drums. You do what you want! Be creative! Don't let people tell you how you should do your kits. If you like it, that's all that matters
That pearl kit you showed at the 2 minute mark for the BIG DRUMS SOUND, that is exactly what I want!!!!!!!
Haha it's pretty epic!
for drummers who don’t like electric drums but can’t have extremely loud acoustic drums - try buying mesh drum heads and either getting rubber pads for your cymbals or replace them with perforated cymbals. really saved my life because I was struggling with an e-kit, but I would say you shouldn’t go straight ahead with doing this if you are a beginner, have a low budget range or haven’t really experimented with different types of drum kits yet.
I played multiple live gigs at real clubs with my Yamaha DTXpress kit....some issues but all easily addressed during the gig....the sound man always liked the electronic drums! But I do like playing acoustic drums live better, certainly feels better to control dynamics via touch rather than very limited settings
I own a reference pure kit in matte black oyster finish!! Such a killer kit and totally worth the money!!
That's awesome! They really are amazing drum kits.
Thank you for this video. It helped me a lot for choosing a snare drum. And video was also very much entertaining.
You are very welcome!
what snare did you chose?
@@michaelsell3646 A 5.5" steel one. Around $70
I used to play edrums. This was my first acoustic drum purchase, so I was confused between wood and metal and depth. I wanted to buy a cheap snare drum to learn tuning. There were no music shops in my locality which would sell drums for me to try them. So I watched some videos like this and bought a steel snare drum
Another brass snaredrum that I can totally recommend now that I had the chance to try it out for a couple of weeks is the Tama John Tempesta signature snare which is reaaaaaally punchy and has a lot of nice overtones!
I hope it's cheaper than the Pearl brass snare. I was gonna get one but that price was to much.
I've been looking for this type of breakdown... especially on different materials. Thanks for answering this question.
Can you maybe talk about things required for live gigs? Think cases, trolleys, setting up, back up stuff and most importantly: in-ear monitoing
I'm still rockin' the Vision series Natural Birch rig, but I would love to get my hands on an identical set up Masterworks in Marine Blue fade with black nickel hardware...
when ever i go out and buy drum stuff its always in that order:
-cymbals
-hardware (preferably pedals)
-snare drums
-rest of the kit
There's one other aspect I can think of that wasn't mentioned and that's bearing edges on your drum shells. Shells with a more rounded 30 degree edge will have more contact on the drum head, creating less attack and more warmth, suited for jazz and quieter music. Sharper 45 degree edges will have less contact, thus more attack and volume to cut through the mix.
Keep up with the awesome videos :)
Hard rock bordering on metalhead here. Had a pearl export (20/10/12/14, sorry, don't remember the depths) and a mapex saturn 3 (22x20/12x10/16x16/18x18), both using a Mapex Black Panther Phantom snare as a usual main but had the Pearl export snare as a backup or side snare. I found I liked the 1 rack 2 floor setup better than the 2 rack 1 floor for a 5 piece, but those are rare to come across without ordering a 3 piece and an extra floor tom, or a 5 piece and dropping one rack tom.
The biggest thing I found that improved tone and presence was quality cymbals and heads. As much as I preferred the saturn 3, the export definitely got more practice and road use as they were a fair amount cheaper to replace in the event of damage or theft. If there was a nice venue (rare for the bands I was in in those days) I'd drag out the saturns, but those exports with the phantom snare killed every performance I setup at, though I did miss the second floor tom for those thunderous breakdowns and shots.
Hardware? Something solid, smooth, and within your budget, though I wholeheartedly recommend double braced stands over single. The Pearl eliminator series did me very well for many years with the export kit, and when I found the Saturn 3 kit, I splurged on a Mapex Falcon double bass pedal because... uh... idk, brand matching? Biggest difference was the option to swap to a direct drive bass linkage and the swappable weights in the beater head, and a bit smoother operation iirc
Definitely recommend the Aquarius Superkick 2 bass batter and the Remo controlled sound snare batter. I never experimented with tom heads much past what was suggested as good, so I don't have much to say there. For cymbals, I found I liked the sound of Sabian HH and HHx series crashes, rides, and hihats, a Vault 19" Holy China and a Paragon splash cymbal (I think it was a 10"? maybe a 12"?
Not sure why I went on that long of a rant, but hey, maybe someone will find that useful, and I got to relive the glory days when I got paid to hit things with sticks LOL
...oh yeah, wishlist? dude, I'd love to even be able to afford to own a kit again, especially that Phantom snare. They were the first things that went when I was without reliable income for half of 2016, along with most of my guitars. Bought some new to me guitars and amps since then, and have been focusing on that more so because it's a fair bit cheaper to get back into from scratch.:(
/endADHDrant
Tama bell brass is the end all be all brass snare, in a lot of drummers opinions. Great video, love the editing.
This is like the most well edited video I’ve ever seen
My all time favorite snares ever!
Pearl ultracast snare, 6x14
Yamaha musashi snare, 5x14
Dw collectors series, 7x14
Favorite kits ever....
Tama starclassic bubinga, current kit
Dw collectors series
Pearl masterworks kit
PDP 20 ply maple and walnut, 14"x8" is a great snare for a great price
Best Pearl Drums Advertisement I ever saw... Nice solid advice in between though! Thumbs up!!
I have had three electronic kits all Roland a TD6, TD11KV and a TD25KV, before the TD11&25 I had a TAMA Rockstar acoustic set which I bought second hand, sold it to buy the TD25 but could not get it to sound like an acoustic set! The rubber cymbals especially the high hat I didn’t like, so I thought why don’t I just buy an acoustic set and be happy, so I bought a new Pearl export studio set bought a new set of Evans heads now I am happy! As we are just an amateur band and play these days only for fun in a small “studio” then these fit the bill.
Very nice video!!! Great content!
Thanks for helping me buy my new drumkit!
My pleasure Alexis!!
Great video. Lots of good info. Thank you.
High Tier: Ludwig Legacy/Classic Maple, Gretsch USA Custom, Pearl Masterworks, DW Collectors
Medium Tier: Pearl Export, Gretsch Catalina, Tama Imperialstar
Entry Tier: Ludwig Accent, Pearl Roadshow
ALWAYS BUY USED!!
funny thing i watch this video and it convince me to get a metal snare, i went to amazon and settle for a Ludwig Supralite since the price was good...Receive the package..opened it and amazon must have messed up as i receive a brand spanking new Ludwig LB417 (black beauty) and it was in a Supralite box. so thank you Gabe for your advice and thanks to the amazon staff who messed up the packaging.
Awesome work for this video as ever. You deserve more viewers… cheers from France
Thank you very much!
I love how you threw in the fact about the higher tier drum kits don't come with a snare hardware or cymbals but hopefully by the time someone like myself is ready to buy one they will have the hardware snare and cymbals already just saying.
I play an Acrolite, it sounds really good.
I use and own both e-kits and acoustic. I don’t have much experience with acoustics as I’ve only ever owned one but I’d always recommend going with mesh head e-drums. In particular Roland ones because you CAN replace the heads on them if they break which I have done before. I do have a wood snare recommendation and that’s the Tama SLP Fat Spruce. It looks beautiful and gives off a fantastic low end even at higher tunings
Totally agree! I haven't heard of that Tama snare but it sounds super cool!
@@DrumBeatsOnline the drummer from Bring Me The Horizon did a demo on it a few years ago. Or it’s currently the snare I use on my last couple videos
Wish SJC got a little love here. For $600, their Pathfinder 3-piece shell set is actually insanely good, especially for the money. Been on it for 2 years now and I'm still as happy with as I was on day 1.
Pearl free floating brass is my favorite brass snare.
This is some high ass production quality for a video like this. I love it!
Getting things sorted out on buying a new drum set for my studio
So glad you liked it!!
I loved your video✌️
I personally play:
Ludwig Lb 403 Super brass snare drum (14x6.5) and i love this thing, it has such a nice punch to it and even though I've been playing it for 5 years, i get a smile on my face every time i hit it on stage.
I do use a Tama drum set and some paiste, zildijan, and meinl cymbals:
Tama Superstar Custom Hyperdrive 22" Flat Black « with 8, 10, 12, 14, 16 for the toms.
Cymbals:
Meinl classics custom crash ( 14, 16)
Meinl dark custom dual trash crash (16)
Meinl dark custom trash china (18)
Paiste Pst 8:
Hihat (14): medium and sound edge
Crash (14)
2x Crash(16)
Crash(18)
Medium Ride (20)
Zildijan:
K custom sweet (18, 16)
K custome ride (22, 20)
A custom (14)
A custom (18)
I play all styles of music, but of course not with all the cymbals. I play in various types of bands so I am very happy to choose a sound from rock/metal to some jazz if needed.
Of course i have to say that i play pop/rock/classic arrangements with a traditional tyrolian orchestra (Blasmusik)
Lots of love from Austria Buddy🇦🇹✌️
Love that! Thanks for sharing you setup!
Thank you gabe..this helped a lot...merry Christmas 🎄
The realization in these videos is incredibly good 👌 I'm impressed
I’m not sure about wood type effecting sound, at least not noticeable sound.
Didn’t John Bonham use an acrylic kit at one point?
Close your eyes and see if you can tell a drum’s material type.
I think it’s probably a marketing thing.
I’ve heard a drum kit made from sewer pipes. Sounded great. 🤷🏻♂️
The drum stick and tape 😂 great video thank you!
For an E-kit I’d recommend the Roland TD27KV instead of the pearl e merge
i havent even watched the video yet and i already love it. already planning on buying my first snare soon (even though its not a full set but sooner in life absolutely 😅)
😂😂 well I hope you feel the same way after watching it as well!
I have to disagree with certain sizes of drums for types of genres. I belive its all about turning your drums I use and have used a jazz kit 18 12 14 14 for rock and metal bands. With ease. And they sound better than a big kit surprisingly
trying to pick a set for my 12yr old daughter.. she loves Travis' style of music.. we're also located in mid MI.. i'll have to check out off beat drum co.. i dig the same music and can't help but get interested in whatever she's doing.. so i subbed. lol we also skate.. cool to see ya on a board! and thanks for the info, bud
BRO the quality of his videos is crazy
❤️❤️❤️
best sounding drumset i ever heard was Gavin harrison's Sonor, tuned very deep low
The Alooominum snare that’s stuck in London is now known as an Aluminium snare until it gets back to America 😂
Hahahaha so true!
amazing presentation ..a lot of effort there!
To me it would be Canopus/Zildjian set definitely
I have a copper phonic and i tune that shit high, my favorite metal snare
hey gabe, imma need an editing course from you
Can you explain what all this means? High/mid/low. “Brighter with overtones”. What’s it mean?
Which drum set would sound better in a church for Christian music? Tama Star class performer or the Pearl session studio select?
Such a helpful and nice video. Keep up the great work!
Great vid! Personally I have narrowed down my snare choices to 2; a Pearl B4514 ( a Jupiter without the parallel strainer ), and a Pearl Vinnie Paul signature snare.
One COB, one wood, both great sounding snare drums
I had a 13" pearl steel snare back in the day and it sounded great.
Awesome Gabe! Really useful!
See you in my next DBO lesson. On the way, to my practice room 💪🏻
Thank you Gabe. I have often wondered at the differences in the various woods used to make drums. This was most helpful to me in determining what my next kit will be. Currently, I play a PDP Double Drive (a birthday gift a few years ago). Though it is more suited to Rock or Metal, I find that it works well with the eclectic playing that I do. I play rock, jazz, Latin, funk, reggae and even ballads on this kit. Your video explained to me why I have a difficult time tuning the snare to get the sound I like. Based upon the wood, it is more suited to a lower tuning and I prefer a higher tuning. Thus far I have compensated with moon gel, but after this, I may tune it down a little and see if I can find a happy medium. :-)
I'm so happy to help Cora!!
Ok, so, ill try to be short... though I'm an over-explainer, so, I apologize in advance... and ill probably leave similar comments of different drums videos and forums I just found... again, I'm sorry :/
My son saved as a teenager to buy his first kit, a Mapex M... used, replaced the heads and my husband tuned it well and over the years he added/ upgraded lots and he loves it! Since 19 he's been out doing a lot of volunteer disaster relief work so could of course only bring some clothes and tools. So, on visits home he'd have a bunch of songs already written so would record his drums, guitar and piano, all self taught. Anyway..... I loved being able to go down to the basement and pay around on his drums... I have significant health issues so, not as often as I liked to, but tried to teach myself some beats, but we're realizing now that even though I'm ambidextrous, I'd apparently be more comfortable with a more left handed set up, my sons is right. Again, I'm not worried about becoming a real musician, art has been my therapy, but, sometimes ya need therapy that gives you the ability to use more force and he LOUD until I'm almost too exhausted and in too much pain to get back upstairs for a bit... but totally worth it.
My husband would occasionally play around on them and is more at ease with them.
So, I'm used to playing on a nice kit😊so, weeks ago, he found a place that he can set up his drums set and all his music and recording equipment up where he lives now, so, I know what they mean to him so as a mom, I'm SUPER excited he can have them with him!! As an old lady that loved being able to go pound on some drums whenever my body let me, 😢😂🤦🏻♀️he was super sweet and got me a small roll out pad with pedals to practice on, which is awesome, but, electric just doesn't cut it when I need o make some real noise and be able to pound away at will😊
We can't afford any... but my husband watches me air drum, or on tables or on anything near me when certain songs hit and my RA riddled hands allow it😊 so he's been combing Craigslist, ebay, local shops (small town, not much available) for a good set that will last that we can both make our own. Truth be told, I'm a brat and want my own so that I can do them as a lefty, but also I don't like all the glitter that seems to be on everything... I will never understand why so many guys want the most gody glitter drums or boats(lost of fishing tournaments here here and yuck) so if they were mine, I like lived in, stickers from places we go or if paint splashes on them, the shell, of course never the heads or cymbals or anything, I'm not that crazy... but, I'm fine with that... just more, me, I guess. My husband about fell over when I said that's what I wanted to do cuz he feels if the original is in good shape and looks "good"(obviously that a relative term) there's NO reason to mess that up..... so, that will be an argument for later, 😂 not really, of course I'd just let them be his and nice 😬🤷🏻♀️
But, oh my gosh these things are so freakin expensive 😢😭
We found a Tama impirialstar set(kick 2 reg toms, 1 floor), basic heads & cymbals but no stands in sparkle blue of course 🙄no throne(realize I don't love that term but, seems to be what is said😊) for 200 or 250 with the snare. But we'd need to drop a good chunk on stands and different things as well ...
Or a Mapex Pro M set, including everything with ok heads, not great, same with the cymbals and basic uncomfortable stool for 500. Its color is black chrome pearl... very shiny😬...
We don't have the money for any of it... keep telling my hubby that, but he's sweet and with my most recent run in with a surgeon that almost killed me and ruined my life forever instead of helping me, I know he's emotional about it.
I have loved drums all my life, but, wasn't possible for me then.
And not something I must do now at all!! But, no matter what I say he keeps looking, texting, calling & emailing a bunch of people for them, so I can't seem to stop it.
So just trying to get some feedback. We're spoiled with all the lovely deep toms(my fave sounds😊) and awesome kit of our sons, so we don't need anything crazy, but don't want to waste our money getting junk either... if that makes sense.
So, sorry again for the long comment, I'm sure it'll annoy a lot and if so, no problem, I'll take it down😊
Thanks everyone!
Nice video and I'll definitely look into your class stuff and more videos!!
Thanks!!
Jade
Sounds like a big giant ad for Pearl. SO Many other great kits out there!
im getting a mapex tornado so exited!!!!!!!!
What about bronze for materials? I've seen people use a bronze snare. Danny Carey, and I'm pretty sure tomas haake does it.
Incredible. Incredible. Incredible.
Wait, you're in Detroit too? That's soo cool!
Great vid I watched all of it.
I have the 2019 supraphonic
I love my bronze 7x14 A&f the best....
Who does the editing? Is it all you? Fantastic video
Our creative director RJ did all of the editing on this one!
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Don't forget the different series of gretsch drums they've been around a long time and they sound great
Honestly I have so many drum kits I have all kinds drums for all genres in all kinds of sizes with different head combinations. Also e kits is great to have too and I have a Roland td 20 that I love
Two words: It's subjective.
I’ve had an acoustic for around 4 years. At Christmas though I’ve started making music using a software and my acoustic isn’t able to record. The only trouble is I don’t want to buy an electric if it’s really crappy in feel for an insane price.?
Why does bronze get overlooked so often…
They sound great…
A bit of PEARL bias..🙄, although the PEARL BRASS REFERENCE snare, is brilliant..
I'm stiuck on the Mapex Armory or Ddrum or PDP Maple Concept
What about acrylic kits ?
Acrylic?
I highly recommend the Chad Smith pearl signature.
I love your channel bro, seriously underrated! you should have like 1 mill subs
What is the best brand of drumset?
Thanks
ignore previous comment on recent video, unless an updated one of these is needed? (unsure how fast the drum world evolves)
I just watched a video comparing all the different woods and there was little to no difference, but in this video it says that wood type plays a huge part of the sound. Someone help.
Ive got 12-13 inch rack toms, 2 16s on the floor (I want a 14 or 18 but havent found one that matches the set color wise) 22 inch kick. 14x5.5 snare. 14 inch hats, 16-18 crash, 20 inch ride, 18 inch china. Eventually adding a splash and hopefully 14 and 18 inch floor toms. Gotta bring that thunder.
Loveee it!
Too late It would have been useful if you posted it last year I bought my kit already anyways good video.
A suggestion from me- If you are confused among electronic and acoustic listen this. If there is even 1% chance that your surroundings and neighbours can bear acoustic drums then go for it.
Hope you're loving the new kit regardless!
Does Slingerland still around
The drum kit changing thing looked great but I bet it was a pain to do?
Haha you are correct
Sir, disagree w/ E-drums not being good for live, especially for bands playing small bar/club gigs or weddings. As a former FoH sound engineer, I loved being able to control everything the audience heard through through the PA, plus didn't have to worry about some idiot bashing away on the cymbals forcing everything to be too loud for the occasion. Do agree w/ Mr. Walker below that shell material not nearly as important as proper tuning and consistent striking of heads. Even cheap kits like my 80's era Pearl Export can sound very good when setup properly.
I’m intermediate and pretty short but I want a kit that comes with at least a ride, crash and a snare with the other 3 toms. I play almost always rock but I’d like to get into pop a little down the road I’m 5’2. Can you recommend a kit for me?
Hey Gabe great video again. But I have a pearl roadshow and I love it great step up kit.
How about ludwig supralite? Is it good?
Cool video! 👍
@Drum Beats Online what do you think of the Pearl Masters Maple Complete?
how about the acostic design e kits
oh and how about dw exotic
u should make a video abt the apps on ur phone (just like going thru everything, showing anything that helps u drumming wise) just a random video idea i thought would be cool
We've talked about making a video like that before! But I basically just use a metronome 😂