Star Control 2: Why This Alien Chatting Sim is Worth Playing 26 Years After Release
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
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There is a bit of an error at 12:03. I put an image of the Chmmr but meant to put the Slylandro instead - Ігри
Top 10 game of all time, regardless of graphics and era.
Yes! Fantastic game that I can't recommend enough. So much good in one game.
sc2 was cool but i don't get why some say sc3 was bad. you didn't like how the aliens looked? the game is awesome.
There were a LOT of technical issues, most notably events failing to trigger, thus rendering the game unwinnable. The colony management aspect was really week, ships were not balanced (Doog Constructor being main culprit) many "lifted" dialogue lines... Most of all, just the fact it failed to meet the expectations, hyped by nostalgia factor of delay between releases.
@@Alvarin_ILok but i've completed it several times and not noticed anything failing to trigger. It does become unwinable if you waste too much time and not doing the main quest, but then a video clip triggers and shows how you failed. So that's intended. Annoying if you saved alot in just 1 save file, then you need to start over from the beginning.
Weak colony management is just an opinion. It's true the doog ships are probably the best (when used by the player) but, at least in my opinion, it's not important that all ships aren't balanced in a single player game. In sc2 all you needed was your main ship. There was never any need to use anything else. At least in sc3 you can win using a mix of ships you like.
@@skoda10 On several playthroughs the planetary system disappearing anomalies did not happen and on one game the antimatter scoop vehicle was not an option. Have read about many more occurrences.
These were my reasons specifically, not saying you should not like the game!
I used to watch my dad play this game for hours. He'd start playing and I'd just sit on the floor in the computer room and watch him go to all the planets, helping him find certain planets and locations on the old paper map, and being amazed at all the cool aliens. It was an amazing experience. I still dip back into the game now and again to fly around and remember those days
Your dad sounds amazing. I wish I could've experienced that with a father.
@@soldierforchrist631 Unfortunately Jesus doesn't play computer games.
That's very much like my first experience with SC2: my best friend and me played this on his Tandy PC with one of us controlling the ship and the other making notes and keeping track of the planets on a photocopy of the starmap. It took us an entire summer to discover all the secrets and visit all the planets! Isent my friend the link to Ur Quan Masters when it came out and now we're still playing it, but thousands of km apart.
That sound cool. Beating this game blind would require you to be like a detective.
Mapping out the galaxy. Note all the choice and consequences.
Sexy Dad Energy
I disagree about the mining. I thought it was fun navigating through hostile planets (both environmentally and biologically) to get the best minerals and more often it's the hostile planets that have the most precious ones. You had to manage planet landers and invest in more cargo pods to mine even more minerals. IMO, this is miles better than the mining in Mass Effect, for example.
Don't forget you can actually upgrade your landing craft to protect against those things...
When you scanned that 2000-degree planet and saw those 3 or 4 GIANT purple nodes and were like, "Eh, I'm gonna risk it and try to land right on it." And then you got one or two, maybe lost a lander, but were so happy you got 30-40 exotics. Better than sex.
Moreover, in the original version (or one of it) your rover's navigation screen wasn't the entire planet with all the cataclysms shown, it was limited to a tiny square screen at bottom right, which made it far more difficult and challenging
Half my save files were (name of planet)PLANETLAND001
The mining made you feel weak and small at the beginning. Your ship couldn't even turn. You come back with some rare earths and you have enough for 2 turning thrusts!
The slow build up from weak to strong is essential to the game.
If you get the Chmmr on your side, you solve your resource problem forever. There are story solutions to your issues.
This game is so good.
After you get a Thraddash ship, every Slylando probe is free real estate.
By the time I get the Thraddash I've already got the probe deactivation code.
@@tarponpet Hello human fluid sack!
I discovered Star Control 2 when Yogscast members Lewis and Duncan played it, I was surprised that I've never heard of it. I fired it up, and boy, what a game. The sense of wonder! The lore! I just couldn't stop playing it. Loved it, 10/10
Same!
Same!
SC2 was my favorite game on the 3DO (when that was a thing decades ago). I put a few hundred hours into it and had to try to figure out the game's bizarre structure and plot years before the internet existed. It is absolutely iconic and one of the most memorable games I have ever played in my 30 years as a gamer. The voice acting on the aliens especially was absolutely top notch, a true rarity for the time.
The 3do version was the best version and it's still a must play on that system
I think the most unusual about this game is the depth of the story/lore...There are so many throwaway lines in the dialog that could serve as basis of entire games or even multi-game epics. The Taalo, the invisible - and supposedly highly dangerous - Keel-verezy, The races of the sentienet milieu, the Mmmmhrm and their Mother Ark, the creators of the Mycon (and why their colonization never reached the galaxy), the Arilou-Orz conflict(?) accross the universes...the list goes on and on. This game just has 'immersive' written all over it - and all that with a great sense of humor, in a setting that always conveys a sense of urgency...oh...and it has awesome music, too.
The printed Starmap was required as it was part of the games copy protection. It asked you what the name of the star was at certain corridantes and if you guess wrong too many times it drops you back to dos.
Wow!
my paper map is kinda worn. :( so many tape holding it together.
That paper map was great. It was one of the first "feelies" I ever got with a game, and it was something I actually used whenever I played to navigate (no internet in 1994!)
@@Nightweaver1 I remember the map! It wasn't my first or favorite one though, the Ultima V fabric map was the most memorable one for me. Being young and an idiot though, I didn't save either. :(
One of the greatest game ever.
Back in those days. There were barely any computer geeks. Computers were not the norm. Apple 2E and IBM XT was used in schools. Internet was none existent. Kids were playing super nintendo. Only handful of computer nerds knew about the game. Back in 92 I was 11th grade. I played it when it first came out. I got a copy from my computer nerd buddy from the library when it was released. So yeah the game wasn't really popular when it was first released but was acknowledged by everyone who played to be one of the most influential PC game at the time.
Back in those days people who liked computers were called computer geeks and stuff. 30 years later I'm looking up games they were playing then.
Maybe in the USA. In Europe everyone had computers and Amiga's
@@drunkensailor112 Computers were expensive. Who's going to drop 2~4k on a computer to play games early 90's? That's equivalent to $3700~$7400 today money.. There were computers but most people didn't own one until maybe pentium era and beyond.
@@marvelv212 my dad, all my ucles. Everyone I knew here in Netherlands had some sort of computer late 80s and early 90s. Many Amiga's too
@@drunkensailor112 We started computering in 1992, just before Windows for Workgroups 3.11.
(En ik leefde in Nederland.)
We were the third family to buy a private PC in my class, and that was a private school with comparative high incomes.
Yes, before that we had one of those Amiga-like gaming things to be attached to the television (it was not an amiga, but it did run BASIC programs). But they were far from what a PC could do.
If you've "played Star Control for over 100 hours" and you don't know the Chmmr, *you sir are either hopelessly incompetent or a LIAR.*
I am hopelessly incompetent. But the Chmmr was a mistake, I meant to put the Slylandro. It's what I get for uploading the video before watching it through to check for errors.
reignick1133 Well I got more than 100 hours before I realised about them. I had loads and loads of failed playthrough where I either took too long mining and lost to the Kohr-Ah, or died to aliens, or failed miserably in some other way.
To me, Star Crontrol II despite its few elements that did not age well, stands among the best RPGs of all time. It's up there with Chrono Trigger, OMORI, and Undertale/Deltarune to me despite being much much older than all of them.
Star Control II, Dune II, and X-Com are 3 of the best games ever created.
Is it weird that I'm not used to the dialog having audio? The PC version I played back then only had sound effects and music.
Indeed.
But the original PC code got lost, and as such, the Open Source UQM is based on the 3DO version.
Which had to be adapted, as the audio files did not include a very important pointer (spoiler: the correct home planet for the Mycon is -...- .
I never even knew this game existed and I LOVE space games like this!
BygPhattyPlus It’s amazing and free to play.
It reminds me of faster than light, have you tried it ?
@@luisfernando55 FTL is fantastic but the storyline/plot is better in SC2.
Great game... still have UQM HD on my laptop
Besides starflight it is one of my favorite game of all time.
I'm really glad that Stardock and ToysForBob managed to come to an agreement regarding the future of Star Control
Personally I loved the mineral collecting. I've yet to see another game replicate that.
Go play No Man's Sky. I played SC2 when it first came out and I played it again ~25 years later. There is a lot of similarities between SC2 and NMS.
Great look at one of my favorite games of all time. I didn't hate 3 as much as a lot of SC2 fans, but it was definitely a disappointment compared to 2. I hope the Ghosts of the Precursors actually materializes. Even if Origins turns out to be a good game, it's not REALLY Star Control without the original races and lore.
SC3 really suffered from a lot of issues that came together to make the game annoying... the soundtrack was a terrible midi one from the amazing and original SC2 soundtrack, the animated puppets for aliens was terrible for almost all the races, and parts of the gameplay being a boring sim style of colonies which didn't really matter at all...
The story of SC3 was actually pretty cool, and the new aliens were fun too... it gets mostly shit for the story since it's not "Paul & Fred" canon, but when ignoring this detail it's actually a pretty good story... I certainly wish recent Bioware titles had anywhere near the same quality writing...
Heh yeah those puppets were godawful. I kinda had a soft spot for the Doog, though. I liked those guys.
Thunderkor I liked the daktaklakpak :)
YES! The other bright spot of that dumb game!
I was introduced to the game about 10 years ago by my dad I was about 6 years old, my dad a big fan of the game showed me and my brother the game we both thought it was cool and progressed into the game. We didn't you know find the Sa-Matra or where the chmmr or quasispace and some other things because we we're small kids. About 3 years ago I returned to the game still having my data from back then but I haven't played it in years, I still remembered like everything I knew... I did a ton of stuff but to this day I've never beat the game, I now how to beat the game and I could if I wanted to but I still haven't. I've seen my dad take down the Sa-matra about 13 times... This game will always be in my heart as one of the first games I played on a computer. Well who knows maybe some day I'll get back into the grind and finally beat the game for once...
Still thinking about that Spoiler Heavy review?
I remember finding the Yehat for the first time and being so happy since they were my favorite from SC1 when I was like....3 years old? And being crushed to find out they had turned on humans. The game gave me the feels for the first time in a game.
The yehat themselves were crushed about it too! They also have one of my fav music tracks in the game. So sad and wistfull.
A bit of update (though there were no updates here for two years) - Paul and Fred have created a new company, "Pistol Shrimp", and the sequel is called "Children of the Free Stars". There were several videos and blog posts on UA-cam and Patreon, as well as on their site obviously. The legal battle is long over, both parties seem satisfied enough and, at least openly, no hard feelings remain. Origins is out, got several updates. Pretty OK for anyone who has not played UQM, but very meh for those who did. Speaking of UQM, it is now free on Steam.
Heh hehe. he.
9:15: " _You could also use ships from alien races_ ", and then proceed to show the Human Cruiser...
Also: at the start I would recommend to sell your weapon and dynamo, and invest that in a second shuttle, more cargo bays, faster ship, and get mining.
What do you mean, who are the Precursors? They are explicitly told to be SpaceCows.
My only complaint with this game would be the time limit. You can invest hours into a play though and have it all go to sh!t because you took too long.
"Paul Reich the Third" hahaha
6:40 I don't understand what you meant to say here. eyes and faces are human features. are you saying that as long as we have those, humanoids are unnecessary?
This game is amazing, i have been playing it on and off since it came out. Ahhh... the memories
You have a very pleasant voice to listen to, not annoying where I want to turn it off and not boring where Im falling asleep,
Thank you, you honestly made my morning to read. I think anyone who puts their voice out there is going to be a bit self conscious about it so it really helps to hear that.
Still hoping for that spoiler review!
Couldn't agree more. Pretty much the closest to perfect I've ever seen a game get.
Mining is fun! Looking for rainbow worlds! One of the best games and totally underrated! Music is also great for each race! Damn I love this game!
Fuck yea it was one of the top 17 games of all time. someone really really loved this game.
One of my favorite games when I was a little kid, and probably top 3 of all time. I loved the storyline, gameplay, and the alien races.
Yeah. The other one was Frontier/Elite.
I spent way more than 100 hours on this game. I remember faking an illness in Grade 10 for 1 whole week to play this game on my 486. I even wrote some fan fic - all the notes I took from exploring and interacting with races helped. Hell, I'd still go replay the game - on original hardware too ;)
There is a book , kind of a mix between fanfic and walkthrough , published with green light from Fred and Paul. Named "Groombridge Log" Highly rewarding read.
@@Alvarin_IL That's awesome! The only thing that would be better about it is if it were in French. Thanks so much!
@@the_kombinator Well, Tommy is a Finn, so at least it is in English and not Suomi!
Update - still the best game ever!
Oh, easy answer. Because it's one of the best pieces of media ever made, video game or otherwise.
I'm excited for a spoiler heavy review.
im' only halfway thru this video but i am reliving my 90's life, i love you thank you for this
You are welcome. Hopefully the sequel Ghost of The Precursors comes out sometime this decade so we can relive that.
This game kept me a virgin, and pure throughout high school.
From the "worldly wise" girl that was 2 years older than me, to the cute redhead ballerina when we were 18, who used to come sit on my lap during the last class of a Friday, and beg to come swim in my pool after school, despite not bringing swimwear.
But I was not interested in having people over, as the Ur-Quan needed to be defeated, and this Captain was going to stay the course.
It wasn't until years later that I understood the subtext of why the ballerina wanted to come swim in my pool, after sitting on my lap, despite her not having her swimwear.
But do you think I regretted it? No damn chance. I loved Star Control 2
I would be happy to just have upgraded graphics, on the original Star Control.
I would be happy to have the rest of the story with the same graphics and mechanics.
star control orgins is never going to be better than sc2
Agreed, i just played the hd retexture of sc2 and wow
This is a standout game for many reasons. My favorite being (1) dialogue: it's the funniest game ever made. I don't like the voice acting so it's better to read the text IMO (2) the space exploration aspect was groundbreaking -- it still does it better than most games (3) super fun combat (4) planetfall mini game is fun when you find exotics and special planets. Many many future games and media copied from this game.
Played this game on the Panasonic 3DO. I loved it. Stumbled into beating it.
I love this game. My dad got the PC version in late 92 and its almost certainly one of the three PC games I've played through the most times. The backstory of the Ur-Quan and their kin (Technically they both are Ur-Quan with the actual separate factions named after key figures from their shared past) who first appear in this is actually interesting albeit sad. The two factions split because of a disagreement tied to their distant past and the group the Alliance calls the Ur-Quan are by far the nicer of the two.
I was 12 when this game came out. Played it on the weekends throughout summer vacation. The PC version didn’t have voices for the aliens. THAT is a super cool detail when it comes to the 3DO version. Anyone want a spoiler, just ask. I’ll throw out some seriously random stuff.
6:57 The Zot-Fot-Pik! Three sentient symbiotic species evolved on the same planet. Oh gods, the memories of this wonderful game, and the gorgeously deep quests and narrative. One of the best games of all time.
I just barely discovered that this game has a fast travel system- you have to go to a specific place at a specific time to interact with a specific alien race and do a quest for them, but once you do you can enter "quasispace" which takes a flat 10 fuel to enter, but none inside, and can take MASSIVE shortcuts across the galaxy.
VUX isn't a pervert. Admiral ZEX, specifically, is a pervert. There's a difference.
I think humanoid aliens are a trope that comes from (primarily) Star Trek. Human actors with prosthetics and makeup became the archetype, so even though there's no real reason to have humanoid aliens in a video game, Mass Effect etc are just paying homage to that part of sci-fi heritage.
I will say that if you don't want to do mining you can skip most of it. Get a spathi or arilou ship which can be done early on. Then go to Mycon space and fight as much as you can. They're relatively easy to fight and generate decent RUs. Have fun!
I enjoy both mining and combat in this game. But the best is the storytelling, aliens, and music!
More of these kinds of video,, please
Toys for Bob made this and published by Accolade!! !holy smokes
I bought this for my panasonic 3do when I was a kid. It was my favorite game for many years. I've played it many times all the way through and I still love it
The only thing that keeps me away from SC2 is the Asteroids style combat
I believe you meant ZEX not VUX.
Zex is the dude, Vux is the species if i recall.
Colin Osborne yes. But he said "Why is VUX such a pervert?" When ZEX is the only pervert.
ZEX is the only perv out there... Even by VUX standard
Why did you have to show screen shots from SC3? Now I have to drink vodka until I forget...
Only advice i can give you is be aware there is a timer until game over loss.
Dont use a guide when playing this, be aware that first full gameplay you are likely to lose.
I think the idea of making aliens look a lot like humans pretty much goes all the way back to Star Trek. Back then movies and television didn’t have the budget to be able to make aliens look alien. So the best and cheap route was to put people in make up with fake prosthetics and that kind of became a tradition in a sense in science fiction history. But also it might be a combination of what you said that yes it is easier to identify with a human form because that’s our eyes and our brains work. If we truly made an extra terrestrial that was vastly beyond any concept that we’re familiar it would be very hard to identify with it.
The legal battle over the name star control got heated and work delayed on each project. There was a breakthrough thanks to Bees. Yes bees. All parties had a interest in bee keeping and they all came to a understanding that allowed thier respective projects to go forward.
I can't speak for video games, but in sci fi tv shows they rely on gluing things to actors/putting them in suits for their bulk alien needs.
The problem with mining is that it's in a category of things that a lot of older games have: something that sucks worse if you don't pay attention to the hints which are given randomly.
I don’t care about IGN only when it’s something I agree with.
Lots of **happy campers** ! I'm **squirting colors** !
There's just something in this game that makes you go back to it
Easily top 3 games, never liked the alien voices though :/
I don't understand the hate star control 3 gets. I personally love that game.
I've been playing Starcon2 in 90th, since then that's the best alien rich adventure\RPG space game ever. and Arilou music theme is still inside my mind until now...
Really liked this video. Subbed.
Love this game
One of the best games that I have ever played!!
So how bout that beekeeping resolution huh?
Now that an official sequel to this has been announced, do you have any plans to make a spoiler-heavy review?
Yes, one day before the sequel comes out.
SC2 is so fantastic. one of my favorite games of all time. amazing lore. short pitch "Mass effect in the 90's" (but with a good ending). i had gotten to play SC on the Sega, back in the day, and once i found out about SC2, it quickly became a game i go back to all the time to play again and again over the years. the writing is fantastic. the music is great.
the original SC has some fun strategy, having you move fleets around a star map, exploring, and such. it was definitely simple, but the races just pop so much, i was instantly interested to see them fleshed out in SC2. the actual Sequel to SC2, to say i am so so hopeful it will live up to the original (and i am sure it will, i just hope something bad doesn't happen to the creators before they can make it). Ur-Quon Masters 2 is gonna be so great.
This game is the GOAT.
So, update from the future, from what I can tell Stardock has settled the dispute and Paul and Fred will continue to work on their game, though apparently the games title Ghost of the Precursors will be changed to something else.
Also, apparently they played Star Control: Origins and liked the direction Stardock went including the humor. I wasn't able to suss out a tentative release date for Paul and Fred's now unnamed game.
Star control 3 was the first game I played and beat. I only got curious about 2 because of 3. Some game play things were actually better I 3 the 2. In 3 you actually run an empire so no more shuttles and mineral hunts. Colony can become self efficient. The story sucks compared to star 2. My perfect starcontrol game would be a mix of gameplay of star3 and star 2.
Still playing it now after 30 years!! Love this game.
I kiss you
I discovered this game in 1994. One of my all time favorite games.
star control so beautiful
This game makes me wish I had a pc :(
I think to coolest thing about starcontrol 2 is that it is opensource so anybody can modify the game now. I was doing some editions g after ai beat the game. For example. I made it so I had unlimited fuel to beat the game faster. All you need is the source code and sdl version that the games uses and knowelege of the C programming languange.
I played the original back in the day on PC, still have the cd, cardboard box and map, artwork etc in mint condition. But back then I didn't get too far bc of the difficulty of successfully going through the game. A bunch of years ago I discovered the Ur-Quan Masters (modded remake) and played through it using a walkthrough - it was epic! And Precursors remixes of most of the original music of which some are really great!
I pay you 5 bucks for your copy
I forgot that it came with a map! I played a cracked version of it in college. I don't remember what we did for the map?
If only No Man's Sky had such depth and interesting combat mechanics... One day?
Spoiler Re-View! Spoiler Re-View!
I am 18 and I am angry that I am one of the only people to know about this game in my school. It’s all time one of my favorites plus I watched another UA-camr play it and thats why I love it
Favorite game of that genre
I was born the same year this game came out and I play it at least every other year.
I don't care if it's nostalgia goggles I love this game.
Actually, lawsuit is finished, and all is ok now. They decided to develop two series independently. Name "Star Control" goes to Stardock, but all races and scenarios to creators.
Also, they will exchange a homemade honey and drink mead together (no joke)
Stardock will work on sequel of SC Origins, and Frungy on sequel of Ur-Quan masters.
SC3 are considered non-canon by both parties
That’s so awesome to hear about the mead. I’ve been living in Texas for about 15 years now, and have befriended a lot of nerds here; they grew up with computers, work in tech now, love pinball and Ren Fests. Mead is a big thing with all of them.
As good as the pixel art is, it’s 2019 and the HD artwork is undeniably better.
It's really a matter of preference. While the HD mod does indeed look more defined, it's a markedly different experience.
Undeniably better?! >:(
I just denied it.
Senzorei Yep. ^_^ I was mostly joking as really it’s just a different experience. I personally like it a lot more though, with almost all retro games I would rather keep the original pixels than HD graphics but in the case of Star Control 2 I love the HD art so much, probably partially due to nostalgia.
Yes the awesomeness of SC2. I loved it ever since it came out. Cant wait for Ghost of the Precursors. Do not forget to *enjoy the sauce*
I had always meant to get around to this game, but never really understood what it was about. Once I have some free time to pour into it, I will be sure to crack open my notebook and really tear into the experience of being totally in control of my course through the stars.
Games in this nature (space sims, I guess?) are very appealing to me because they draw upon the rich history of old school SF, but the sheer depth and breadth of them can be dizzying - assuming they run well on modern OSs at all. I'm so glad a game like this has such a passionate community, since without the Ur-Quan Masters patch you mentioned I doubt a lot of people would even consider playing it.
7:15 was revolting
One of the best games ever! Only noobs are bored by mining, the seasoned spacefarer sees enough resources to not care for risky and poor landings. You do not kill animals, they are captured and sold to the space traders, who attempt to save the galaxy by feeding them to the galaxy eaters. How dare you insult the cruel space spiders Ilwrath who inflict the most gruesome deaths ever! Immersive story, hints to human history, incredible music that i listened for hours and i still like it some of the best electronic tracks.
greatly appreciate all the time you obviously spent on putting this together, a wonderful production on my favorite game, thanks!
One of the best games for it's era. My imagination is running wild playing this game. Paul Reiche did a hell of a job.
I always thought you were stunning them rather than killing them.
Wait, you played all the way through the game, and didn't know who the Chmmr were?
To explain, the Chmmr were a hybrid form of two of the former Alliance of Free Stars members, the crystalline Chenjesu, and the mechanical... I'm not even going to try to spell their name... Lots of M's and R's. I think there was an N in there somewhere. Maybe an H. Screw it. Mrnmrrhm. Something like that.
You probably just forgot them, they didn't appear until late game, but you needed their help amplifying the power of the Precursor bomb so it would destroy the Sa-Matra.