Has tipping pushed you over the edge?
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- Опубліковано 17 гру 2023
- Many Canadians are shelling out money for gifts, food and parties during the holidays. As people spend more money, some are questioning how much they are tipping at the till.
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No more tipping. Time to pay your employees a fair wage!
Restaurant and hair dressers are paid minimum wage in Canada. And so are retail and other industries. Do we tip everyone????
@@shilarakesh bank tellers make a little more than minimum wage. When will we be expected to tip tellers too 🙄
@@freddytang2128 soon we will tip walmart cashiers
why would an employer pay their employees a decent wage when they know people are going to tip them an additional 20%.
@@tchevrier That's how eating out was affordable back in the day... Low prices of food left you with more money in your pocket to tip with. If every person tipped a $1 and you serve a 50 people in your shift. $50 plus $7.50 an hour for an 8 hours = $60. ($50+$60=$110). for a day of work. that is the same as employer paying $14 per hour. and you know what the employer has to do? CHARGE MORE FOR FOOD because of the higher operational costs of running the businesses.
I work at a golf club. The restaurant staff make the same wages I do. They get tipped but I don’t. I engage with the public all day but no tips. I think tipping needs to stop. Pay people living wages.
Exactly
That's weird, I would have thought you'd be getting a nice card and tip at Christmas. I tip my water delivery guy, and the kids at the oil change place who are always so polite. These people don't ask.
Be the change you want to see in the world. If you think tipping needs to stop then just stop tipping.
I lived in Japan for 5 years and eating out was extremely affordable... partially due to the lack of tipping culture. There's no option to tip, yet service workers always provide exceptional service.
Living in Canada the past few years, I've definitely found myself going out less and less because it's simply become unaffordable.
More and more people in my orbit are saying the same thing. They are drawing a direct line to tipping as a reason for going out less. I think the restaurant industry in Canada is in for a rude awakening.
Its also due to the fact that the cost of life is calculated and included in the final price, hence servers can actually make a living wage in Japan and know what they are making instead of relying on the final tally from tips. Basically the tip is included in the final price. I would give a link but UA-cam would not let me.
I would personally pay a little more for a product/service/meal if I knew that the same principle is applied and the workers do make a living wage.
@@dlj1285Every time my wife and I discuss going to a restaurant we remember the tip and just go to a food court. Sick of getting ripped off, first at the overpriced under-portioned meal then being asked to leave more money behind just for someone spending 30 seconds helping us get it. We just stopped going to restaurants entirely.
It’s also the fact that the meal is too expensive. McD, is now 20$ for a meal. Think about it.
@@TheSiriusEnigma Really. . . ? I mean, I know that McDonald's is not the bargain it was when they first came to Canada, but I've never paid $20 for a single meal at McDonald's. The main problem I have with McDonald's is a) it's almost 2024 and they don't recycle and b) the temperature of their meals has fallen steadily over the years. I've had it with getting cold fries and burgers. And yes, $13 is too much for a McDonald's meal.
I hated tipping while working in Pizza Hut. Men weren't allowed to work as servers, but no tip sharing. So cooks and dishwashers made 7 dollars an hour, about 50 dollars a shift, while servers made 100 to 200 dollars a shift for walking the food from the kitchen to the table. So it was very discriminatory.
Buddies daughter was working at the casinos before Covid, and making a damn good living doing so. She has been waiting tables at a restaurant for the past several years, and as a good looking young woman, she is making almost double what she was getting at the casino...and most of that is undeclared, tax-free money.
So many jobs are like that. They always force the guys to be the cook and let the girls be the cashier or the waitress. They would do the lighter cleaner job and get pay double of you. Made my life so much harder paying for my tuition. I guess this is balanced out when the guys get pay more in the office once they get out of university. But then they call the later discriminating while the first is okay
There’s nothing more profitable than having everybody in the world think you’re underpaid. Waiters have been milking that cow way too long.
You should have sued them or reported them to the EEOC. Discrimination is against the law.
Yes I am aware of these hidden discriminations. That's why I tip more men than women and I am totally cool with that discrimination I am making because I know I repair an injustice.
I’ve stopped eating out because of this. What really frustrates me about North American consumer culture is that you can never know what you’re going to pay when you go anywhere. Tax costs not included in the posted price and now this overwhelming pressure to tip for basic service. Ultimately I think this can be very damaging to an economy as it reduces consumer confidence.
You do know how much you are going to pay: roughly 15% in taxes, 15% in tipping, so add 30% to the price on the menu.
Same here. Relying on the prices on the menu becomes meaningless. The poster below suggests simply adding 30% to the price. By the time you add in sides, drinks, desserts and such, having a meal becomes a math exercise.
No, thanks.
@@juliecaron7569 What he means by that is that in some countries, the price tag includes taxes, so you can easily do the math during shopping.
Employers pay employees, not customers.
Over in Japan there is no tipping.
It’s seen as an insult or judgement on the worker(s).
over in just about everywhere else in the world, employers are expected to pay employees a fair wage. and customers are not being guilt trip to compensate employees for a wage their employers are not willing to pay.
Because they are well paid. The employer would be offended too.
Same as korea. Tipping is illegal. I miss Asia
Tip shaming and gratuity guilt are pushed by those in the industry, do not cave into the pressure, you do not have to tip!
People might call me a jerk or a cheapskate, but that is totally wrong. I don't believe in the tipping system so obviously I don't participate in it. And as long as people participate in it then nothing will change.
2:48 tipping $5 for $18 bill is stupidity
Money to burn! 🔥
Why has no one talked about how tipping before taxes was the norm, and now we are expected to tip after taxes ?
That’s what I was taught growing up. When tax was %15 I was told the tax and the tip should be the same amount.
is it even legal? tipping shouldn't be taxed, charging tips for tax means that portion going to the restaurant's owner, not the government, that's a scam
If you use the interact machine and if you select 15% you’re tipping 15% after tax. Kaboom!!!!
@@astroboy1928 yes its legal.
When the machine calculates the percentage tip on the after tax amount, you are being intentionally cheated by that restaurant. They know it's wrong, but they count on you not noticing.
Tipping used to only be for fancy restaurants. Its kind of annoying how places like subway shove a tip in your face at the machine. Its already expensive enough for a sub there the price doubled in 10 years and inflation was only 30%.
Well people wanted to raise the minimum wage, and we got higher prices because of it now everyone is more broke instead of having more disposable income to tip with.
Yeah, when you order at the counter and take the food to your table yourself, and then clean up after yourself, you shouldn't be expected to tip anything.
I was buying a burger at Dairy Queen last week and the tip option came up. I picked 0%. I'm not tipping at fast food. This is getting well out of hand.
@@mysterycheez no. It doesn't matter what you do. Even if there's someone cleaning a bunch of dishes and re-setting a table, and delivering the food, and cooking the food, and bringing beverages, that is all 100% their duty as part of their employment which they get paid to perform. The cooks get paid, the dishwashers get paid, the servers get paid. It would just increase the price of the food if it's someone sitting at a table getting their food prepared served compared to buying something ready-made to-go. The customer doesn't pay the wages. The customer pays the product/service price.
Honestly I'm sick of handing out extra money!
Went out for dinner with friends a few weeks ago at a local bar
Total was 21$ I tipped 5$ cash and got a dirty look from the waitress WTF do they expect!
Abolish the tip option!
A server with that attitude would be lucky to get anything from me.
@@megleland6320 30 years ago, 10% was the norm.
i call bs
The goverment won't this is how they keep people working. The higher the wage the food industry will cut back. The servers where I work pay half of there tips to kitchen and support. This is how they keep staff.
@@berrex5152No it's probably true, I've that happen to me tipping $10 on a $50 quick eat.. The server pulled out the receipt and gave me a look, not even a thank you. These servers today except massive tips all the time.
I only tip when I eat at restaurants. As a result I have basically given up eating at restaurants and prefer pickup instead
This pushes people to shop online as much as possible
Yeah personally I am done with tipping and I've changed my habits to avoid it, things like ordering take out only and avoiding making plans to do hang outs in restaurants.
Not that i play along, but even with 'Take Out', the payment machine forces you to opt out of tipping...you literally spent two minutes making my order and handing it to me, and I'm expected to tip for that?
We don't even go to restaurants anymore because tipping is so insane, not to mention the prices I mean it's like $4 for a glass of pop. If anything pop should be free at restaurants or come "with the meal" at least!!
24 cans of Pepsi at Walmart is on sale for $10.49 plus hst in Ontario this week.😂 I noticed because Pepsi changed their logo to the throwback one. And it tasted damn good after it was in my fridge for a day.😂
Nah your just being cheap at that point get some water
I came from a country where there’s no tip and the price on the menu already includes tax. I was shocked to know how much I ended up paying after a waiter brought a bill to me for the first time. Now I’m used to calculating the total price I will pay when ordering which prevents me from ordering a lot. And then I stopped going to the restaurant. It’s too expensive to eat out in Canada.
Welcome to Canada baby !!!
It’s downright deception to show one price on a menu then be expected to pay a different price when the bill comes.
No one is forcing you to tip😢
Tax should be included in all prices. Restaurant bill, grocery store items, clothes everything.
I ordered takeout and I had to go pick it up, they dared to ask for a tip.
I've never been a tipper: although I know why we're supposed to tip, it's never made sense to me. It started to make even less sense when I learned the history of tipping (long story short, it goes back to slavery in the US). Now it's out of control, so I'm even less likely to tip, and I think it should be abolished and employees paid a living wage.
Tipping is here to stay because restaurants and businesses want it to help subsidize low employee wages. Yes people argue why don’t they just pay employees a living wage and raise prices accordingly? ROFL that will never happen in Canada because the businesses get saddled with larger payroll tax bills for things like CPP, EI and WSIB premiums if their employee pay and income increases.😂😂. Tips for the most part if they are received in cash are not taxable. However large corporations like some Chain restaurants report tips from POS terminals as employee income and both the employer and the employees pay higher taxes because of it.😂
Idc what ppl say I’m not tipping more than 10% if it’s terrible service it’s even lower. I don’t think it’s up to anyone to say what we do with our money
I always pay in cash, so I don't deal with a machine pestering me for the tip percentage. When I get my change back, I decided only then how much a gratuity is acceptable.
No more tipping! Abolish it. Customers are paying part of their salary through tips. Get the damn employers to pay a liveable wage. Life is expensive and paying part of someone's wage is bullshit. We don't own a stake in the company. Go to the source of it...we need employers to pay liveable wages. End of rant.
Just dint do it. It isn’t law
Giving gifts is not something that makes sense to ban. It's unenforceable and also rather ridiculous. The problem is with customers and workers giving tips and promoting tips.
@@conanedogawa6306 It’s easy to say no. Also if they think the job does it pay enough then get another job.
For years I have always tipped 15% on the pre-tax amount if service was good/acceptable at a sit-down restaurant (and 0% on take-out). I could care less what they change the terminals to, I will always hit "other" and put in what I think is fair. Minimum wage is also now standardized in Ontario, so this isn't the US where servers are making $4/hr.
Yup! Stop tipping what they think you should and tip how much you think you should!
Servers 💯 % make less than minimum wage in Ontario ,
@laurameunier5290 no, they make minimum wage now. Servers and bartenders.
Delaney’s in the West End Vancouver, I have been a customer for over a decade; I tipped $1 for a coffee and muffin… The server was clearly unimpressed.
I was waiting for a long time for my paid goods, like people who were behind me were receiving their goods…
When I asked for my goods I was told, “You’ll need to wait.” I will not go back, nor will my friends.
Withholding your goods was vengeance with a taste of blackmail.
Good to know this, as a sometime visitor to Vancouver. It's not like there isn't much choice for coffee shops on Denman Street.
I got a tip request at a local liquor store recently. I asked the guy at the tip what it was for and he said “if we suggest a drink to go with a special meal we’d appreciate you can tip”. So I tip for asking what wine goes well with steak? That’s expensive advice for 10 seconds of your time!
I interviewed recently for a job at a liquor store which was advertised as wage plus tips. I didn't take the job but have wondered ever since. When I worked at a garden centre I certainly didn't expect tips and gave way more advice!
Not only that, but it's just part of the job. They don't hire people that can't learn and remember suggested wine pairings. Not only that, but wine pairings are entirely subjective in the first place. It's elitist delusion. In most cases people should just be choosing wines they are interested in (which in itself for many people will probably also require help, but again that's something servers would be expected to learn basics as part of the job)
I am no more ashamed to not tip when I don’t see fit. Especially for a coffee.
The only situation fit for a gratuity is someone doing something beyond the scope of their job. Great service deserves ZERO tip. Otherwise-bad service where someone gives your wallet that you lost/forgot or saves your cat from a coyote deserves a big tip. It's not about how good a person does their job. It's about what they do outside of job expectations or even common courtesy.
This is yet another reason restaurants are closing and people are avoiding eating out more and more: people won’t go anymore to those places because they (us) are not able to pay for tips, tips that are even more expensive than the taxes.
I really don’t like those payment terminals that make you feel like $h!7 if you don’t pay that high percentage tip.
I've stopped going to places that have their preset tip percentage starting at 20%.
Just put in 10% like I do to send a message.
@@Neeper78 Agreed. That's the most effective response.
The biggest piss off is when you pickup food orders and they want a tip.. i dont know if my order was made well or missing anything.. why on earth would anyone tip?
Agreed. To tip before you've received anything and have no idea of the quality of your purchase is unreasonable. Tipping for poor quality goods or services defeats the supposed purpose of the practice.
It's all the same. People are thinking about this erroneously. There is human effort being put in whether it's delivered or not. Someone still made it. Tipping is _never_ something that should be an option unless they do something outside of the scope of work like save your cat or wallet or something.
Employees are employees. If they are getting a wage from someone else they should not be getting gratuities. If you want to pay the self-employed man who shovels the sidewalk extra that can make more sense, but even then there shouldn't be any feeling of obligation when there was an agreed upon price.
One thing missed: Employers are taking these debit tips or including themselves in the sharing of the tips. You never know where these tips are going unless you pay cash to a server at your table.
Yes and no, in many establishments the company is taking a chunk of the cash tips swell. Although there are laws against this in at least 6 Provinces, the enforcement of those laws is a bad joke. CBC Montreal and Ottawa did stories on this dimension of 'tip culture' in the last few months. Somehow this report failed to build on those recent stories and missed out on the issue of employer tip theft completely despite the fact it was produced by CBC Ottawa!
Yes, I believe tipping is optional. I don't tip for counter service or take out. I tip based on service received that goes above and beyond. Very rarely do I ever tip above 15%.
Increasing the tip percentage is just plain nonsensical. It seems not everyone appreciates the magic of percentages. As the cost of the meal rises, the dollar value of a set percentage tip also increases automatically. There's truly no need to ever increase the percentage. In conclusion, a 10% tip is just as reliable today as it was 20 years ago.
What pushes me Ober the edge is how it shifted from what used to be a way of showing you're happy with your services was turned into an obligation so employers could skirt minimum wage.
After living abroad I always dread returning to north America for this whole awkward dance customers have to do after dining or drinking. Pay a higher wage to your employees and abolish tipping. The dining experience that you have with your server is truly more positive and authentic this way! And guilt doesn't creep into the scenario for either party.
I stopped going out; the pressure to tip before the drink or meal is even made is ridiculous. If you tip less, because you can't afford to keep up with this trend, then very often you get treated like less. I like the ol' days - good meal, good service warms my heart and opens my wallet with gratitude and it's a pleasure to tip for a job well done. It's such a gross feeling today, spoils the experience of going out. And yes, I get it, everyone's struggling, but less and less people are in a financial situation that allows supplementing someone's wages; that is the employer's responsibility. I think this tip mentality will drive more customers away eventually. One day it will tip over...
I was amazed when I went to Europe and often the waiter would give me credit card terminal to tap, and there isn’t even the opportunity to add tip. I thought wow that’s a nice change
I had this yesterday. Though we did leave cash on the table as the service was really good.
I went to a restaurant last year where they added 18% tip automatically to the bill and then asked for additional tip either 15, 18, or 20%
Yeah f that!
Increasing the tip percentage is just plain nonsensical. It seems not everyone appreciates the magic of percentages. As the cost of the meal rises, the dollar value of a set percentage tip also increases automatically. There is truly no need to ever increase the percentage. In conclusion, a 10% tip is just as reliable today as it was 20 years ago.
funny how some feel guilty or embarrassed by tipping accordingly to the service provided to them. Employers should pay their employees a fair wage.
@@user-yg1dg6xm2g It should not even be a percentage of the meal price in the first place. It doesn't take any more work by the server or dish cleaner (but maybe the cook?) to bring a pitcher of water and cheap rice/pasta/etc. Dish than it does to bring a bottle of whiskey and wagyu with truffle. Yet despite this people are supposed to arbitrarily gift their server 10 times more money just because they had the luck of serving a customer truffle wagyu rather than fried rice and water? It makes no sense. Especially if that server spent only 1/2 the time at the table compared to the other situation.
While tipping at all is an illogical and problematic thing to do, _at the least_ if someone is to do it they should be tipping a static amount based on the time and effort of work that the worker spent specifically on the table, _not_ the cost of the food and drink. If their great hospitality and service seems warranted to be paid 20$ an hour extra and they spent 15 minutes at your table across 2 hours then that means they should be getting $2.50 tip regardless of 100 $ meal or 5 $ meal. If your meal only cost 5 $, it's not tipping 50%, it's just tipping the fair amount of $2.50. If the meal was 100 $ it's not tipping 5%, it's just tipping the fair amount of $2.50.
Obligatory tipping is extortion !
Tipping has gone way way out of control, even the fast food is asking for it, I can understand going to eat to a restaurant and getting a good service from a waitress, but fast food? I just don’t eat out as much anymore.
It's getting pretty bad. Why would anyone tip at Subway or Dairy Queen? Their credit card readers prompt for a tip. I always select NO TIP.
I am so glad that you covered this. ENOUGH! ALREADY! I am NOT tipping someone for bringing my food to me when I go to pick up . If I'm eating in a restaurant, I'll give a tip for good service and a bigger tip for excellent service. I have also left no tip for bad service. Pay people properly so they don't have to sell themselves for that extra money.
Well said.
I feel the same way!
Well, that's the problem. When you tip some people just for doing what they were employed to do, other people are going to want in. Tipping should be abolished. That's not something that can really be done in law, it has to be done in society.
I try not to tip when using the debit machine because I have no way of knowing if the staff are actually getting those tips, or is the business pocketing the money.
A waitress told my mom the owner keeps the tips to pay the business tax.
I have been kicked out of a restaurant and told never to come back and got screamed at by the restaurant manager all because I gave “$0” tip on the credit card payment. I explained the service was unacceptable and that the waiter was laughing at us and stopped coming to our table. They continued screaming at us and kicked us out. I only tip if I have proper service. And it is not just that most of the time, the cooks do not get any tips, only the wait staff get the tip. The cooks do all the food prep and cooking but get no tip. That does not make sense. At the end of the day, the wait staff on average end up making a lot more money in comparison to kitchen staff, after taking the tips into consideration.
If the restaurant manager took the time to scream at you, it is probably because they pocket the tips that should be going to the servers and other hourly staff.
Which restaurant is this?
@@Bunny11344 it closed down years ago, and did not stay open for long, maybe less than 2 years and I do not remember the name at all unfortunately. Only been there that one time. The food was very good though.
No tip is obligatory. Tips are a reward when a service experience makes YOU happy!
no. ban tips. if you're happy with a service, then leave a 5 star review so more customers come.
That's supposed to be true in theory, in reality, a tip is not only expected now but an entitlement, regardless of how service was, we really need to do away with tipping culture.
Nope…Experience should make us happy because we pay for it… If it make us really happy, we would go there again and again… Saying, tip if you are happy with the experience means you are not happy if you don’t tip…
"Even if i get bad service, I tip well"
Thats it. Thats the problem. What was meant to be an incentive is now considered culturally mandatory.
I recall being part way through a meal and thinking to myself "this guy is awesome! I didnt even ask, he knew what I wanted." Easily 30% because I want him to know how much I appreciate the effort he was making. The opposite is also true. If I could legally negative tip, there have been a few instances...
These days, quality of service aside, the product is just not up to par. In the interest of their bottom line, restaurants are leaning on lower quality products and smaller portions.
Higher prices, poor service, tipping entitlement, and a trash meal all make for poor value proposition.
These days I'd rather sear my own steak in January on the deck than leave another restaurant disappointed and hungry.
Things have never been less affordable in Canada but, the expectation for tips has never been higher. What a time to be Canadian...
It was an easy decision for me! I totally stopped going to restaurants and, as a consequence, became a better cook at home!
You forgot to mention that most of the time we are tipping on the already taxed amount so it is way more!
I would never leave a tip if it is requested before the service is rendered. (Similarly, I never "like" a UA-cam video when some bozo asks me tells me to give them a "like" at the very beginning of their video.) Also, when a payment machine calculates the percentage tip on the after-tax amount, you are being intentionally cheated by that restaurant. They know it's wrong. They just hope you won't notice that they're stealing from you.
I have zero guilt for not tipping everyone who asks/demands a tip. I’m not tipping to purchase your product such as picking up a food order or getting an oil change. Credit card companies are also complicit by not only increasing the tip rate on their machines but always making it including the tax. Credit card companies make more revenue the higher the tip as they take a percentage of the entire amount charged, they have an incentive to fatten the charge.
Since the food prices have risen tips have already risen as they are a percentage of the bill. Increasing the tip rate in addition to the higher food costs greatly exaggerates the tip. If I feel a tip is warranted I’ll leave 15% on the base cost not after tax cost, and frequently I’ll tip 20% or higher if it was exceptional service, but I’ll walk away and not come back or avoid entirely if they try to make it mandatory and/or high tip percentage. A good example is restaurants that include a mandatory 18% tip for parties of 6 or more, not a chance I’ll go and you’ve not only lost the tip but the business as well as we go elsewhere
I was astonished this past weekend when my wife and I stepped out for dinner on our anniversary...the bill came and it automatically added 18% to the total....didnt even ask just did it....I guess tipping is mandatory now weather the service was good or not.
Could you put that in the review restaurant review? Is it a high end restaurant? This is so off putting
I just don't tip anymore. idc what anyone has to say or think. ive even told my friends that i don't tip anymore.
Resist tip-flation and tip creep! I definitely feel less like going out in part because of this. If I tip, I want it to be as a sincere expression of thanks, and I want it to be the amount I feel comfortable giving. I resent that the machine prompts me for a tip, even when getting a coffee through a drive through, and that the lowest tip option on the machine is now often 18%! When I was a kid, my dad taught me that a tip should be 10%. Then I remember hearing rants from a relative who worked in the restaurant industry that it's an insult to get less than 15%. Reluctantly we started tipping 15%. Now the expectation seems to be even higher. Where does it end?
Increasing the tip percentage is just plain nonsensical. It seems not everyone appreciates the magic of percentages. As the cost of the meal rises, the dollar value of a set percentage tip also increases automatically. There's truly no need to ever increase the percentage. In conclusion, a 10% tip is just as reliable today as it was 20 years ago.
I've had cops called on me over a tip. Now tips at self-checkout? Refuse "mandatory gratuity" and "tip shaming" and leave a bad review for any place that attempts.
Popping up in the USA. Even at self-serve gas stations. This story actually didn't cover half of this issue.@@megleland6320
Dunno if I could do it in person, but I'd love to challenge what law was broken they think cops could help enforce by not tipping...
Unfortunately it's pushed me over the edge.
With my income, the combination of higher menu prices and tip expectations has forced me to eat out about 50% less from 3 years ago.
It's a pity, I use to enjoy very much the experience of trying new foods and restaurants.
Rent, groceries, gas has put everyone in the situation. Cost of living and wages increase has now allowed goverment program to reduce. Look at rental subsidies, very few actually qualify for those.
There are fundamental problems with tipping in general, but it's outrageous that the percentages for tipping have increased. As restaurant bills have gone up, the tips automatically increase along with it, ...that's literally how percentages work; the percentage itself increasing is double dipping.
Furthermore, as both bills and percentages rise, (increasing tip cost twice over,) will just lead to ppl going out less, and therefore long term less money, and less social of a society as we cannot afford to hang out with friends and acquaintances as much.
Agree about the percentage thing. This pressure to tip 20% and above is completely unwarranted.
You can still hang out with friends and acquaintances. You just can’t do it in a restaurant or a coffee shop, you’ll have to go to a park or some such.
My mom was a hardworking waitress until they day she passed away. So I always have been a good tipper. However with tips on debit you never know where they are going. I frequent Sushi Sama in Kanata, and I've always tipped well. Last time I was there the guy at the cash register, asked if I can tip cash instead? I was kinda confused so I obviously ask him why cash tips? Turns out the boss/owner takes the tips the staff doesn't even get the tips on the machine. So not only am I paying $24 for a lunch combo I'm also lining the silver and gold pockets of the franchise owner in the meantime with my tips 😵💫
I always always have cash for tips for just this reason. I worked at a hotel where we had ZERO card tips. I have just started at a place which has told me I will be paid cash tips once a week, but I am wondering about the card tips. They would have to add the card tips as 'tip income' as other places I have worked did, but if all we are getting is the cash then that is not right. And they surely can't convert card tips to cash and not record it as income? Time will tell, but I bet a great many owners make a lot off the card tips.
Tipping has become unaffordable for sure, especially tipping on top of tax! I began tipping 18% but regret it. I don't go out as often because of the embarrassment.
Add to tipping, the constant "Would you like to add $2 to your bill for XYZ charity" that we get hit with every time we go to the grocery store and many drive-thrus.
I don't go out because of the tip because it really hits hard as most of us live in edge of our earnings. But should we tip for Domino's takeout? I drive for 10-15 minutes, pay for my own gas and my time, as well as for the food. Why do they even show the tip menu? I am really trying to understand for what service we should be tipping generally.
Always check your itemized bill. Sometimes they put an auto-gratuity on the bill and then try to trick the customer into adding another tip on top when paying.
And worse than that, the owner of the establishment keeps the gratuity rather than giving it to the wait staff.
It's become insane and there needs to be some regulatory limits - at least on what options come up on the machine when prompted.
For example, I went to BC Place where there is a self-serve kiosk and the machine prompted for a tip... at a flippin self-serve kiosk! What's the tip for?!
The culture surrounding tipping is far more reasonable overseas and seems to be more fair to all (employer, employee & customer)
Haha. That’s f’n insane.
The only regulation that should exist is an option of no tip, and I'm confident that is already law. Anything else is just something that makes sense to complain about to the manager and/or avoid going to the place in the future.
My guess is that the machines are also more to blame than the franchise or owner. They probably get a percentage of all payments and/or a percentage of tips when payments are made with their system, so they have self-motivation to sell devices that push tips. It's scummy as hell sure, but it should be totally legal. People need to stop being babies and stand up for themselves. In this case it means employers need to not put up with that nonsense if they don't like it, customers need to notify the establishment if _they_ don't like it, and all customers everywhere should stop tipping entirely- it's unfair and problematic; nobody should be doing it.
Now it feels like an obligation. Perhaps they should raise their wages. Good service get a good tip. However for takeout and drive through, ya no tip.
It will bring the cost down of the food or the service, so that was the idea for the tip. But now minimum wage is up tp $16 an hour, so prices are high, so people are complaining about having to leave a tip when the price of burger and fries is $25 for one person.
Raising wages will in no way stop the tip entitlement culture, you will just be expected to tip more, its the entitlement and spread to every industry that makes tipping unsustainable in Canada
Have some stones people!
No tip for take out
5% for average service
10% for exceptional service
$0.01 for bad service.
Stop letting the suggested tip intimidate you!
I agree!
I'm afraid they'll spit in my food.
@@melanieg6957 you could definitely file charges over that.
There should be not tolerance for greedy petulance.
There is a sense of intimidation when a machine displays a tip menu. It feels like your choice is being documented and evaluated. Paying using cash takes away the anxiety. Having a "petty cash" fund for tip money works in the wallet for me also.
Yes, I always have tip cash on me- I've worked in hospitality where we didn't receive ANY card paid tips, and you can't tell me people didn't leave them.
In some countries , people take offence when they are tipped and will return you the money. it is seen as someone giving them charity . I think Canadians should come to term with what they believe and just change this culture. One restaurant owner in Montreal with a "great sense of entitlement" altered the receipt I signed and helped himself with 20% from my Visa card because I wasn't happy with their treatment / service hence left no tip. Tipping should never be obligatory .
It pushed me to eat out less and rarely eat out. I'm so sick of seeing tip on everything I hit no now. In store 10% but unless it is good service then I go higher
The brilliance of percentages lies in their ability to grow alongside the meal cost. Consequently, there's no necessity to raise the percentage itself. A 10% tip in 2023 holds the same value as it did in 2003, in proportion to the cost of the meal.
don’t Canadian servers get paid minimum wage as well? Why the obligation to tip? I think that only applies to US servers who get less than the minimum wage under consideration of tip as income
Tipping is here to stay because restaurants and businesses want it to help subsidize low employee wages. Yes people argue why don’t they just pay employees a living wage and raise prices accordingly? ROFL that will never happen in Canada because the businesses get saddled with larger payroll tax bills for things like CPP, EI and WSIB premiums if their employee pay and income increases.😂😂. Tips for the most part if they are received in cash are not taxable. However large corporations like some Chain restaurants report tips from POS terminals as employee income and both the employer and the employees pay higher taxes because of it.😂
With tipping and taxes having to add a good 30% to each already expensive item on the menu eating out is becoming prohibitive. I could afford to go and have a meal a number of times a month before, now its maybe a couple or just one. I don't think anyone wins when customers no longer visit these establishments...
I especially find the online ordering experience with the built in fees and tipping to be the most frustrating. I don't know if I want to tip the restaurant or the delivery guy until I know that I have received everything I ordered in a timely manner.
It’s f’d up man. Tip before you even get served. lol. I refuse to use delivery services because of that.
Tipping has gone way, way too far.
Just tap the card on machine or skip tip, if there’s no skip select others 0.00 % solved
I once tipped at a brewpub that paid its workers a living wage. It wasn't advertised and there was a tip jar but the lady at the till kind of admonished me for tipping. It was surreal. There's no winning
I stopped dining out all together. Only takeout if i want to eat outside
I hate tipping. We shouldn’t be subsidizing the business owners. They should be paying their employees a living wage and tips should be for above normal service. I was in a bakery the other day and the total service was a clerk moving a hugely overpriced cake from the display case to a box at the counter. No thank-you, no smile … nothing … and a tip was expected.
Tipping is here to stay because restaurants and businesses want it to help subsidize low employee wages. Yes people argue why don’t they just pay employees a living wage and raise prices accordingly? ROFL that will never happen in Canada because the businesses get saddled with larger payroll tax bills for things like CPP, EI and WSIB premiums if their employee pay and income increases.😂😂. Tips for the most part if they are received in cash are not taxable. However large corporations like some Chain restaurants report tips from POS terminals as employee income and both the employer and the employees pay higher taxes because of it.😂
I feel like more and more places are using tips to supplement the wages and expecting me, as customer to pay the Cost of Living bump that the employer should be giving in wages. Having worked in a lot of service industry jobs, I know my employers were always saying: " we only pay minimum wage but the tips are really good..." I feel this is really unfair. I would rather pay the true cost of my night out in the price of meal, drinks or whatever and if I really get extra-ordinary service then I can tip.
It's not like the States here that they pay waitresses 3$ a hour so they highly suggest you tip. ....... Don't they pay 15$/hr minimum wage for waiters in Canada?
I haven't changed my tipping routine which is around 20-25%. I only tip food delivery drivers, food servers & getting a haircut. I don't tip mechanics because the dealership already overcharges especially on the labour cost and I refuse to tip when I pick up fast-food, buy anything in a store. If I see a tip screen when I pay at these places I just ignore it. I've heard that some self-checkouts have the audacity to include a tipping screen. That is just beyond obsurd when I'm doing all the scanning. It really has gotten out of hand but you're not putting a guilt trip on me with the inflated prices we have to pay these days.
that's why i don't eat out, i cook and eat at home to save money.
I have worked in different levels of service industry and I hate the tipping culture overall based on how unfair it is. I was getting little to no tip at Tims, but that was the hardest job I've ever done. Then I worked in a restaurant. I was getting lions share of tips when I was working as a server than when I was a line cook, although I had to work much harder with oil, grease, hot water etc. when I was a line cook. When I go for a fancy diner, I tip but my heart breaks for the people working at the back.
The pay for cooks is abominable, it just does not make any sense.
Restaurants are allow to pay their employees less than minimum wage. Force every employer to pay minimum wage will reduce the need for tipping.
It won't reduce tipping. Outrageously high tips will still expected.
Minimum wage is not enough with costs so high. Most I the industry get under 30 hours. Full time is not an option. Plus fulltime still does not allow someone to survive.
Restaurants would need to pay waitresses, my best guess..., $30 per hour? if no tipping.
Also, lot of restaurants share tip amongst all employees, not just waitresses. which mean, they will need in increase wages for everyone.
This was removed in 2022, servers are now paid the same minimum wage as everyone else. Now dont get me wrong, minimum wage should cover cost of living, but thats a whole different problem.
I refused to tip long ago, I have my own kids to feed
Not just the tip, the food, goods and s services has become really expensive.
The worst is some online shopping sites ask for a tip too! I couldn’t believe it.
Hey, don't stiff the computers. They're watching.
I know.i bought I battery for my solar system from Li-Time online and they also asked for tips
Anyone tipping over 15% is the problem. Unless my wife went into labour in your restaurant and you delivered the baby, there's really no occasion for a tip at all really.
A colleague said straight to my face that she doesn’t want to be friends with anyone who doesn’t tip.
I deliver pizza, and unless it's exceptionally busy, I always earn less than minimum wage - and that's before gas and vehicle expenses. When a customer has doubts, I remind them "tips are optional" as they are. But they are always appreciated. They let me keep doing the job I enjoy.
I always bypass the tipping option at fast food places, tipping began as an option in full service restaurants and that is where it should remain, also as an option only if you felt you have actually received good service. The practice of putting tip option on card readers should be banned, especially for counter transactions, to much pressure on customers.
Yah I used to eat out almost everyday. Now, I can't justify it to myself because the cost of everything is insanely high. I don't go out for months at a time. Of course the pandemic really changed the routine for me and now... I'm not sure if miss it.
I only tip at restaurants if I get good service but everything has become so expensive that I don’t go to restaurants anymore. The cost of a meal is high and to add even 15% to that is too much.
The brilliance of percentages lies in their ability to grow alongside the meal cost. Consequently, there's no necessity to raise the percentage itself. A 10% tip in 2023 holds the same value as it did in 1973, in proportion to the cost of the meal.
Just don’t go out cook at home it’s more affordable
Have you seen grocery and alcohol prices lately in Ontario?😂
@sam19509 Still cheaper to cook at home by far! Even with the inflation. Yes. Have you checked?
@@Sam19509still cheaper than going out people need to go back to the basics
I'd rather all restaurants disappear than paying tips😀
someone once said, if you can't afford to tip you can't afford to go out. So I don't go out 😆
Tip should be abolished, another tax to make people poorer.
I don't eat out as much anymore
I lived in France for a while and tipping is almost an insult over there. People working in restaurants are paid well and feel that tipping is done when the customer feels sorry for them and thinks that they are underpaid. I hate tipping, it is obnoxious that employers expect people to tip to help pay their staff. I will tip in restaurants where there is a serving staff, but isn't going to be 20% or more. I will avoid going to restaurants where there is mandatory tipping, I won't tip at all if it is up front tipping before my meal or whatever it is that I am receiving.
Employers, pay your staff properly and if you can't afford to pay your staff and expect tips to cover your costs, maybe you shouldn't be in business.
I used to tip 15-20% but I'm so burnt out from it being on everything I'm dropping it to 10% only for dine-in.
Taco Bell drive through asking for a tip was the breaking point for me. I became an old miser that day. In counter service restaurants my tip is not ordering through Uber eats or skip the dishes, which takes 15-30%. Australia has the right idea. Round up a few dollars and call it a day.
Tips are percentage based so total tip collections rise with prices, so the percentage shouldn’t change over time. If that were the case we will be at 100% top at some point in the next 25 years.
Why stop at 100% …. Even higher.
I am PROUDLY CHEAP and my colleague/friends are 100% aware of my lifestyle. I am an extreme occasional tipper (with emphasis on extreme) and never guilt trip into it. I will appreciate/pay for good service however it is kind of my reason for coming to your establishment in the first place. I do not get tip for doing my job and just like you, I am expected to be really good at it.
One of crazy things happening only in America. Tipping someone even if service is bad? Insane.
Tips = to ensure prompt service… Why are we tipping just because someone handed us something?(Starbucks drive-through)
Like I mentioned, in my other post, I can afford to tip well and I do if I’m eating inside somewhere. But it’s gotten so out of control. I’m at the point now where I’m just gonna say no to all of it.
TIPS actually stands for ( to insure proper service ) a lot of people don’t know this
Teps?
This is not what tips stands for. That's a myth.
@@burex5905 Have you ever worked for TIPS ?
@@voxer99 speech to text and did not proofread before I hit send. It has been clarified in another post, however.
Tips are not just because we’re entitled to give extra money… There’s a reason for it.
However, I’m not complaining about tipping… It’s just gotten out of control and it’s the principle at this point.
Tipping and "would you like to donate x amount of $" needs to be banned.
So here in Australia we get a very "honest and authentic" service and there are no expectations on tipping and i dont mind it 😂
Wait until a lot of American tourists come and things would change. Look at Europe, there wasn't a tipping culture until the Americans overwhelm the place. Away from the tourist area, tipping disappears.
Away with the tipping. It just feels like another tax and as Canadians we already have so many taxes as it is. It's just in your face constantly and it adds up and has turned into an expense of its own. The cost of everything has gone up significantly and we're expected to tip on top of that. Where does it end.
CBC News should do a story about how many employers KEEP the tips for themselves!
I had a terrible waitress a few days ago. She only checked on us twice and we sat there for almost thirty minutes with food getting cold but no drinks because she just disappeared. I tipped her only 15% on the little tablet at the table and I was looking over my shoulder afraid she might see that I was tipping so low. It is kinda ridiculous. Just five or ten years ago 15% was the norm! I think it's because all these tablets/computers/payment kiosks either default to a higher amount or don't even give the option of a tip as low as 15% unless you click "other" and enter it in yourself.
Tipping is here to stay because restaurants and businesses want it to help subsidize low employee wages. Yes people argue why don’t they just pay employees a living wage and raise prices accordingly? ROFL that will never happen in Canada because the businesses get saddled with larger payroll tax bills for things like CPP, EI and WSIB premiums if their employee pay and income increases.😂😂. Tips for the most part if they are received in cash are not taxable. However large corporations like some Chain restaurants report tips from POS terminals as employee income and both the employer and the employees pay higher taxes because of it.😂
"only 15%" lol
Should have gave her 5% to cover her kitchen tip out. 😂
The brilliance of percentages lies in their ability to grow alongside the meal cost. Consequently, there's no necessity to raise the percentage itself. A 15% tip in 2023 holds the same value as it did in 2003, in proportion to the cost of the meal.
You tipped more than 15% if you chose the preset amount since that is based on the after-tax total... it annoys me that with computers doing the math, they all get this wrong...