It just shows her lack of education, which is sad to hear, but Vin seems to have more of an idea (just) .Just thinking the Killing Fields covers it all is way off the mark, they both need to look into History a bit more, and what countries were complicit in all this :(
I must be the weirdo that liked Jello Biafra’s voice. But that was something I liked about the bands I was in to. They had a sound, they were distinct.
I like the vocals of a lot of classic punk bands. Especially those that were obviously making it a point to sing "badly". "Who Killed Bambi" by the Sex Pistols is one that comes to mind.
Jello's album he did with DOA was amazing. And his new band sounds so much like what he was doing with Dead Kennedys. If you haven't heard it than listen to White People and the Damage Done album. It's fantastic.
The Killing Fields is not 'a term', it's an actual place in Cambodia where a ridiculous amount of bodies were discovered... it was then used as the title of the 1984 film which was based on the book, The Death and Life of Dith Pran by Sydney Schanberg respect :)
Yeah, I went there in 2013. Bones still coming up out of the ground. One of the two heaviest things I've ever experienced. Another brilliant example of Jello's prescience, predicting right now back in the late 1970s/early 1980s.
I watched the movie in a small restaurant in Siem Reap. After seeing all of the horrible things in Phnom Penh. So the movie had an immense amount of weight at the time, it was hard to get over the experience! I had the hardest time in a school inside Phnom Penh, were they used to keep some prisoners. Everything was left as it was when the Thai army freed Cambodia. There were pictures in every room, that showed it with the dead bodies ! In one room there were bloodstains and the long metal rod that locked all the prisoners by their feet! In another room they had a woman chained to a bed, so they could rape her at will! The room was left exactly how it was, including the bloodstains on the mattress! The killed the prisoners when the Thai army approached. They used the rifle butts to save bullets!
Vin you're understanding of what Jello is trying to say in this made me respect you so so much more!! I grew up on the Kennedys and they were a voice for an entire generation. Kudos dude!! Great reaction!!
This song has been on my playlist for years ... perfectly encompasses the experience of a working class person encountering an affluent “college commie” .
@@AudibleFistI think the original intention was a critique of "champagne socialists" as well as tanky types who'll romanticise these allegedly communist countries that committed a ton of atrocities (soviet union, Cambodia etc.)
I know this is an old video, but I do want make one point. You mention the "social justice warriors" that Jello Biafra is singing about in the beginning of the song. Context is important here. This song came out in 1979, which is one of the things that really makes this song so ahead of its time, and why it's one of the greatest punk songs of all time.
I think that is the worst part. We are getting the trickle down where those college commies had children that now have children and this bullshit has passed down 2 generations so that this is what the govt is now pushing on us. The theme of an 80s punk song is the life they are pushing on us. It sucks so bad even though it could be worse.
@@bradprice8040 Here's the thing about that. I don't think that most people fall into that "commie liberal sjw" category, even young people. Sure, it's a VERY vocal group, but I think that most people are rather middle of the road in how they actually think and feel. Granted, a lot of people talk the talk, and check all the boxes, but I think that's largely because they feel that they have to for fear of getting canceled. The problem is that it's a hard point to argue with. Rights are rights, and everyone should have equality in that regard. But that's not exactly what SJW's are asking for, is it? They want special treatment. I don't care what pronouns you want to use. You do you. But I draw the line at government mandated, compelled speech. To what degree am I supposed to participate in your personal self image? A friend of mine came out to me as trans about a year ago, and we had the pronoun discussion. What I said was this "using someone's preferred pronouns is a curtesy. You're not *entitled* to someone else's curtesy and respect. You have the right to want to use whatever pronouns you so choose, and I have the right to decide whether or not I will use then. It's no different that if you called me 'she.' It's incorrect, and I'll probably think you're an asshole, an idiot, or both, but you DO have that right to be that asshole, idiot, or both, AND neither I, nor the government, should be forcing you, or anyone, to use particular language." I'll personally use their preferred pronouns, because I love and respect that person, but it's wrong to tell me that I HAVE to use them. And THAT's what the SJW's get wrong, and why people hate them.
As a 15 year fan of punk, MAD RESPECT on your openness, especially after hearing the n word. You NAILED the interpretation of this song. Very impressed.
Yeah I think its pretty clear hes mocking the person who would use it in those situation. Even if you dont agree with his usge of it, youre likely to share his derision
Let’s speak plainly, this song is about BLM, AntiFa, LGBTQ and just about every “ultra” left wing activist movement . They don’t give a damn about about the communities that they claim to champion, all they care about is installing a communist system where EVERYONE is poor and controlled.
AT 10:09, VIn sums it up PERFECTLY! The whole song is a tongue-in-cheek SLAM of the self-righteous jackasses, poor little rich kids and their idealistic views of the world. "Shabby-chic hipsters" moving to the slums because they "empathize with the plight". Jello is a lyrical GENIUS! The art of calling someone out for they're "ignorance" and pointing out that "they do not know shit", WITHOUT ACTUALLY SAYING THOSE WORDS??? ABSOLUTELY GENIUS!!! Signed, An Old School Punk who was there when this this song was NEW! 🏴☠️
Punk is a genre which isn't just thrown away imo. While every year has that one song everyone loves and then later forgets about. Punk has a legacy. People remember it and rightfully so. Glad my step dad introduced me to it. I'm 15 so I kinda gotta do a lot of research on what I'm listening to. As a matter of fact the dead Kennedys have taught me a lot. Some stuff is obvious and still relates to today but other stuff I do research on to better grasp something.
“pack a wife” perfect message to a person who has done everything expected of them (go to school, kiss ass, get married). Not to mention, the idea of taking a loved one on your vacation
For someone who hasn't had thirty-plus years of exposure to this song (like those of us who grew up listening to the DKs) - Vin's analysis of this song was pretty spot on.
Cause kids now a days listen to fetti wap, n t.i., n music about who runs the block between 110th st and 111th st....n they don't n it's fukin sad. Soooo many people now!a days don't have their own thoughts hardly . I do like NF tho it's rap but it's not fukin trash like 95% of this shit comin out now
This song is satire. You completly missed the point of this song. Its an anti-war anthem, sung satiricaly from the point of view of a U.S. army recruiter, to a naive frsh highschool graduate, during the vietnam war. The U.S. war machine was secretly proping up the khmer rouge throughout the vietnam conflict. Pol pot was fighting aginst the vietcong/ the spread of communism, therefore he was a natural ally of the CIA, whos primary concern was limiting the spread of socialist revolution (as opposed to human rights) the recruiter starts talking about the (propaganda) horrors of living under the vietcong. Jello (the singer) then starts repeating pol pot's (a name most americans never heard of at the time, hell even today) name to shine a light on how the U.S. doesn't really care about human rights, and is willing to support genocidial dictators if it fits in with their own policy objectives. Side note: the khmer rouge, while claiming to be communists were really nationalists, whos primary goals were expelling/ exterminating all foreigners from Cambodia, and for cambodia to return to its former greatness as the Angkar kingdom, by setting up feudal agrarianism (read: not socialism), hence setting back the clocks to "The Year Zero." (actions speak louder than words) One more thing: the NSDAP (the nazis) were about as socialist as the DPRK (north korea) is democratic. (Something something night of long knives.) The nazis were far right wingers, not left wingers. (Thats why in the Weimar republic, before the nazis seized power, the nazi party sat at the far right of parliment, while the socialists sat at the far left. The nazis were representing a right wing perspective. They co-opted the word "socialist" to appeal to working class voters. Also stalin was bad, GG.
It's an anti-communism song, it's a song about how western communists/socialists need to have a holiday in Cambodia, during the reign of the Khmer Rouge, to see the reality of what communism really is.
James and Kaerius. While it's cool to draw your own conclusions from music, as is your rights to do so. The song is, however, according to the writers of the song its self, *Jello Biafra and John Greenway* "Holliday in Cambodia" an attack on the on a stereotypical, moralizing, privileged American college student. Its lyrics offer a satirical view of young, well-to-do and self-righteous Americans, contrasting such a lifestyle with the genocidal dictatorship of the Khmer Rouge, led by Pol Pot and his Communist Party of Kampuchea. As Vin quite correctly pointed out in the breakdown of the song.
funny how when that one line came up in the first verse she cringed and looked at him like, 'how do i react?' and he's just has his eyes on the lyrics like, 'aight, where they going with this?'
"Don't forget to pack a wife": likely refers to the fact that so many young Cambodian men were killed, that young women in Cambodia, desperate for a husband, wanted to allow bigamy.
This is one of my favorite songs of all time and it makes me really glad to see to intelligent people break down its meaning and give an honest critique of the subject matter. Well done indeed.
much like the conservatives in australia call themselves liberals... a political party can call itself whatever it wishes, doesn't mean they live up to their name.
"Who was Pol Pot?". I watched this young woman's reaction to the lyrics, but not the context. "I didn't like the singer's voice" she said. I am glad she was so honest, because her reactions are of many people.
Bad Brains- Banned in DC Minor Threat- In My Eyes Social Distortion- Another State of Mind Black Flag-Nervous Breakdown TSOL- Sounds of Laughter... Just some good ass punk for y’all 👌
Pthor wait never mind I was thinking of Vicious Circle for some reason 😂 I remember hearing that love canal came out with a bunch of their older songs recently or something?
I think it's Kerry Anderson. They tour still, or again. My Cuz can't drum anymore due to an accident, but he still talk's with them on FB. @@GrammazCookiez
A lot of bands still sing about subjects that matter, they just don't get mainstream attention. Just like the Kennedys didn't in the 80s. The good stuff is never just lying on top of the pile. If you can't dig, that's sad, but it ain't just the times. It's you.
I think Jello was trying to comment on how people who act the way he's describing are so oblivious and are so truly out of touch with the people they claim to "know how they feel" that they'd be casually racist i found this perspective through a genius annotation and i think it makes alot of sense and i mean DH Peligro is in the band i don't think he'd be cool playing the song if that wasn't the case
ON POINT Vin-man. For someone like me growing up as a Brit youth in the late 1970s, The Dead Kennedys were the 'real deal' for all the punks I knew and were compared to the Sex Pistols, Clash, Buzzcocks and Damned. Excellent reaction and great choice. There's a lot of great punk stuff out there.
The brother broke down this song perfectly. DKs criticism of affluent leftist elites is probably my favorite thing about this band. It’s amazing seeing how well this song aged into our current era. Just a testament to how insightfully written this song was for its time.
Just to be fair, if the Nazis were Socialist, then North Korea is also Democratic because it's in the name DPRK. And America is also the "Land of the Free" whilst being the country with the most number of prisoners ever. And if Communism killed all those people, then it's also fair to declare that the annual poverty death toll of 25 million is by Capitalism. Which in effect easily beats Communism's death toll in less than 5 years. Not here to support either side, but there's a good reason why Communism is suddenly enticing to so many young people, and it's also in the best interests of those in power to demonise communism. Any significant move to the left is seen as Communism. That's not on. Feel free to scrutinise democratic socialist countries for reference.
Pol Pot slaughtered the educated classes in Cambodia, marched them off into the rural areas and made them farm in death camps, so the could learn the struggles of the proletariat. Jello is basically saying take your college educated middle class life to Cambodia and see what they'll do to you. Then you'll learn about the struggles you so profess to have so much knowledge about.
Regarding "Right Guard" deodorant is a reference to their commercials from back in the 70s? It would show someone sweating profusely (from extreme stress) but when they applied Right Guard, all of the stress was magically negated!
Better late than never,I suppose! Haha One of my favorite bands as a kid in the 80's. Classic Punk Rock. I love Vin's explanation of Jello Biafra's lyrical meaning of the song-Good job,man!
That white B don't know PUNK why . so you don't know how can you began to try. I say punk you. If you went yo Vietnam our fight was in Cambodia trying to put the right leader in so the Opiate trade can supply our drug Barron's, what the buck do you think he's singing about. Act supreme or righteous. Bit damn you try to get it please punk was publicity motivated. Yea the nigga almost got.good job sicken & jiveen
I saw them live in the nineties like 92-93 with about a hundred other people in a shithole bar. Ice t was a nice dude stayed and talked and was in the crowd for the opening band.
@@carebear2707 what if i told you, the centrist democratic party..... isnt leftist. Riddle me this.... have you ever heard a "liberal" espouse ideas such as: the dictatorship of capital??? Seizing the means of production?? Abolishing social hierarchy??? Worker's councils?? Handing corporate control to trade unions?? Social ownership??? Proletarian internationalism??? No. You have not. Because these are not "liberal" ideas. These are just a taste of the diverse concepts found within leftist idea groups.
@@自我批评 Thats cool. I'm a National Socialist anyway, so i really couldn't care how you see a Retarded "moral" philosophy anyway, was just pointing out a Fact.
"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out-because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out- because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me-and there was no one left to speak for me." - Martin Neimöller Hitler was not a socialist, he was a right wing fascist dictator. Hitler killed off many of the socialist leaders on "The Night of the Long Knives". You need to brush up on Hitler history, Vin.
profanepersonality the quotation is right. What you've failed to notice is that the fascism in Germany was still a very special (though no less horrible than classical socialism) brand of socialism. As seen with the way the Nazis reorganized the state („Gleichschaltung“, „Totaler Krieg“). Killing of all the other socialists just proves how radical they were and that everything left from them was to be considered Bolshewism according to their point of view. Yours truly, a believing Antifascist
@@hanswurst6864 The Nazis pioneered the privatization of public industry. We literally get the word "reprivatization" from German when the coined it in the 30s. They destroyed the socialist trade unions and forced them into a state run "union" which forbade wage negotiation and strikes Hitler cut taxes to depression era lows at the behest of industry. While the West went to the left, instituted social programs, and nationalized industries in the 30s, the Nazis swung hard to the right.
Nationalsocialism has nothing to do with socialism. In fact it was the socialists and communists that fought Hitler. The song has of course an ironic twist.
Pendulum Panda Did you sleep in history class? Nazis are right wing extremists. Just as fascists. National socialism has nothing to do with socialism. That is a myth! A right wing myth....
so glad to see both of you smile at what I've always thought was Jello Biafra's greatest lyrical twist: "...where you'll Kiss Ass or Crack!" That's a line worthy of Noel Coward or Oscar Wilde!
Vin, you always impress me. Not many people realize how many less people Hitler killed. I'm not defending Hitler!!!! But I just love your rationalizations. We'd be buds.
Dead Kennedy's baby........awe yeah. Jello Biafra has dipped his toe in the political pool back in the day. By the way that's the vocalist of this band.
Nationasocialists were not fascists. Dont compare third reich with Italys fascism. They were capitalism LIGHT. Consider this. Communism - STATE OWNS EVERYTHING. Nationalsocialism you live free and get well payed. State owns a certain amount of factories and projects. Something that makes sure the nation is selfsustained. A certain amount of labour is needed to be protected in national workplace. Energy, mining, construction for example. Mussollini have more incommon with Stalin than Hitler.
Great selection, guys! You should do a punk week. Fugazi's "Waiting Room", Sex Pistols' "Pretty Vacant", Sonic Youth's "Teenage Riot" and The Ramones' "Beat on the Brat" are my humble suggestions.
I love that you're talking about this song 40 years after it was released on a topic approximately 50 years old. I love the conversation because this is one of my favorite bands from way back when. Thank you for getting it, most folks just write this off, but Jello Biafra was onto something. Being a kid of the 70's, this was like mental napalm, especially when we'd hit the library and read the Encyclopedia Brittanica volumes to figure out what he was talking about. We were stunned, our prepubescent brains were shredded, but it made us grow up faster.
Love how you got the message straight on and had such a laugh about it that I’ve seen you guys reacting 6 months ago and here I’m watching you guys again.
To get an idea of Jello Biafra, vocalist, former, I suggest you check out some of his documentary spoken word symposiums, he is unapologetically in your face, before Henry Rollins made it cool.
I don’t think anyone goes around wearing a Stalin shirt, Vin. And Hitler was not a socialist: he sent communists and socialists to concentration camps.
Andrew Hyde well, that’s not an argument to desocialize Hitler. The USSR’s communists also killed many of their fellow communists during the great purges of Stalin. What I'm saying is that just killing paople doesn’t mean, that you completely despise what they think. Hitler wasn't a socialist in the classical sense but believed in many socialist ideas like „seizing the means of production“ as seen during the „gleichschaltung“ (German for „equital shift“) and the Total War reorganization process where the state basically took most of the capital existent within it’s reach.
@@hanswurst6864 and the fact that with Hitler it was the government seizing the means of production and not the workers is a pretty massive difference. Once again, it's almost like Hitler used language to mask his intentions like calling his fascist organization Socialist. Dethroning the ruling capitalist class to empower a dictator is NOT and has never been the meaning of "seizing the means of production".
Viva146 Altough I agree with you that the way the means of profuction are being seized is different to the socialist ideal, it doesn’t mean that the Nazis didn't hold socialist beliefs. Comparing the 3rd Reich to countries with socialism as the form of state, one can see that in reality it was (after the revolution, of course) almost always the goverment perpetuating this principle. A very good example of this was the way that the socialist eastern German state worked. As any new industrious efforts without the goverments direct control were kept for a while and then immediatly transformed into a govermentally led institution. One very interesting case of this was the first electric car conseptualized by a very entrepreneurial young man. After he privately founded his factory, the government proceeded to immediately seize it. In conclusion, the way that socialist ideas are conceptualized and manifest themselves is not necessary the same.
You have to listen to the whole album to get this band's views clearly . They thought " liberals " could threaten freedom with too many environmental rules . They did not anticipate the kind of attacks on our freedoms that conservatives now delight in . They also thought that their audience could pick up on their sarcasm . However , their audience often overlooked the points they were trying to make , and ran with ignorant conclusions instead . Eventually , they figured out that " liberals " were not the problem .
Back in 1985 my brother, my friends and I went on surfing trip from Geneva (Switzerland) to Lacanau west southern France. We were listening to the "Dead Kennedys" out loud in the car and we all forgot everything about gas... We finally ran out of gas in the middle of the night right in the center of France! We slept in the the car in a small village named "Bourg-Lastic". Got some gas the next day as the gas station opened and went on our trip, still listening to the "Dead Kennedys" out loud! Surfing trips are the best! And the "Dead Kennedys" are an eye opening if you love freedom!
The TLDR of this video is "we listen to a song with a long understood and pointed meaning that goes over our heads completely and then ignorantly conflate various forms of leftism and fascism for several minutes. Also we throw in a far right conspiracy theory about communists committing a larger than the Nazis for good measure."
I'm wondering though if this is satire because they spend the back half of this actually talking like the kind of people that the dead kennedys made this song to make fun of. The only thing that gives me pause is who uploads a half hour long satire video??
It isn't a 'left' or 'right thing, extremism and radicalisation is the problem. Nazism has nothing to do with socialist ideals, the word was appropriated by the Franco's, Mussolini's and Hitlers of the world who by convention were 'right' wing not left.
80s punk is lot like a rollercoaster version of rock and roll,you go slow at first and ZOOM! you dunno what direction the vocals,guitars,bass or drums are going but you're loving it just the same
Well, to clarify this...Jello's singing is not really tipical punk style....yo my point of view tus style is unique....cannot remember a punk band that sounds like Jello....Maybe Valor's voice, the singer of Christian Death (Check the song "Vanity")....and Christian Death is not really a punk band
I work with a handful of Cambodians that were there during Pol Pot's regime and escaped. One of the guys was telling me once a little bit about being starved and worked to death (for some of his friends). How they weren't given meat, had night blindness, etc. And he said when a group of them finally managed to escape, when they were on the border of Cambodia and Thailand they had to cross a river to get into Thailand. Some of the group wanted to wait until nightfall, but most of them saw freedom right there, so they charged across the shallow river. Some Khmer Rouge were there hiding with machine guns, and opened up on them. He said something like 30 of them started across, and only 10 made it (including my co-worker). I also worked with 2 Cambodian married couples (all have retired, now). Both couples were friends with each other before the Khmer Rouge came to power. Both couples escaped, but while doing so, husband from couple 'A' and wife from couple 'B' made it out together, and wife 'A' & husband 'B' made it out together. Both pairs didn't know if the others had survived, both came to the US, and after several years of thinking the others were dead, both parties re-married their friends. Then later on they found out their previous spouses survived and were in the US too. Messed up situation all around, but both couples stayed friends, when it was all said and done.
When Sori asked "who is Pol Pot, what did he do?" that's when I got comfy and brought the popcorn.
I was having a conversation with a woman once and bought up Ho Chi Minh city. She laughed and asked 'who would name a city that?'.
@@tonygriffin3464 I am losing faith in human when I hear stupid people like that exist
It just shows her lack of education, which is sad to hear, but Vin seems to have more of an idea (just) .Just thinking the Killing Fields covers it all is way off the mark, they both need to look into History a bit more, and what countries were complicit in all this :(
phil smit, that's what I was saying on apost the other day, its better to learn and have information than have a lack of
100% Uncomfortable shit to follow. Made me smile
In punk, you don't have to like the singer's voice, you just have to listen to the message.
exactly it was about the message
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I must be the weirdo that liked Jello Biafra’s voice. But that was something I liked about the bands I was in to. They had a sound, they were distinct.
I like the vocals of a lot of classic punk bands. Especially those that were obviously making it a point to sing "badly". "Who Killed Bambi" by the Sex Pistols is one that comes to mind.
except jello's voice rocks
Satire at it's finest. Dead Kennedys were such a great band!
Still are
@@marktourtillott1865 Without Jello, DK is not DK!
@@larrykinnard Jello is DK ...
Jello's album he did with DOA was amazing. And his new band sounds so much like what he was doing with Dead Kennedys. If you haven't heard it than listen to White People and the Damage Done album. It's fantastic.
@@Gregbaltzer I'll definitely have to check that out!
The Killing Fields is not 'a term', it's an actual place in Cambodia where a ridiculous amount of bodies were discovered... it was then used as the title of the 1984 film which was based on the book, The Death and Life of Dith Pran by Sydney Schanberg respect :)
That movie scarred me when I was young when it was shown on T.V.
It literally is a term for a place. I don't think the original google earth image (/s) said Killing Fields. Pedantic dick.
Yeah, I went there in 2013. Bones still coming up out of the ground. One of the two heaviest things I've ever experienced. Another brilliant example of Jello's prescience, predicting right now back in the late 1970s/early 1980s.
I watched the movie in a small restaurant in Siem Reap. After seeing all of the horrible things in Phnom Penh. So the movie had an immense amount of weight at the time, it was hard to get over the experience!
I had the hardest time in a school inside Phnom Penh, were they used to keep some prisoners. Everything was left as it was when the Thai army freed Cambodia. There were pictures in every room, that showed it with the dead bodies ! In one room there were bloodstains and the long metal rod that locked all the prisoners by their feet! In another room they had a woman chained to a bed, so they could rape her at will! The room was left exactly how it was, including the bloodstains on the mattress! The killed the prisoners when the Thai army approached. They used the rifle butts to save bullets!
Vin you're understanding of what Jello is trying to say in this made me respect you so so much more!! I grew up on the Kennedys and they were a voice for an entire generation. Kudos dude!! Great reaction!!
Agreed. Spot on breakdown Vin.
Reagan era punk music Man. Nothing like it at all!!
I was living the LA punk scene in 1981, and it was awesome.
They really need to do: Bad Brains... I Against I!
Absolutely dude!! What a time to be alive then!! We need another movement like that!!
Dude, unless this whole video is sarcastic, the meaning of this song went completely over his head...
This song has been on my playlist for years ... perfectly encompasses the experience of a working class person encountering an affluent “college commie” .
100%
you realize that jello was an anarchist right?
I’ve always taken it as a critique of middle of the road liberalism from the anarchist perspective like most of their songs.
So what? anarchists are anti-authoritarians and communism is an authoritarian ideology@@mrmemes3887
@@AudibleFistI think the original intention was a critique of "champagne socialists" as well as tanky types who'll romanticise these allegedly communist countries that committed a ton of atrocities (soviet union, Cambodia etc.)
Dead Kennedys - Police Truck
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DEAD KENNEDYS - Dear Abby
@ourworlds atwar I second this nomination.
I know this is an old video, but I do want make one point. You mention the "social justice warriors" that Jello Biafra is singing about in the beginning of the song. Context is important here. This song came out in 1979, which is one of the things that really makes this song so ahead of its time, and why it's one of the greatest punk songs of all time.
I think that is the worst part. We are getting the trickle down where those college commies had children that now have children and this bullshit has passed down 2 generations so that this is what the govt is now pushing on us. The theme of an 80s punk song is the life they are pushing on us. It sucks so bad even though it could be worse.
@@bradprice8040 Here's the thing about that. I don't think that most people fall into that "commie liberal sjw" category, even young people. Sure, it's a VERY vocal group, but I think that most people are rather middle of the road in how they actually think and feel. Granted, a lot of people talk the talk, and check all the boxes, but I think that's largely because they feel that they have to for fear of getting canceled. The problem is that it's a hard point to argue with. Rights are rights, and everyone should have equality in that regard. But that's not exactly what SJW's are asking for, is it? They want special treatment. I don't care what pronouns you want to use. You do you. But I draw the line at government mandated, compelled speech. To what degree am I supposed to participate in your personal self image? A friend of mine came out to me as trans about a year ago, and we had the pronoun discussion. What I said was this "using someone's preferred pronouns is a curtesy. You're not *entitled* to someone else's curtesy and respect. You have the right to want to use whatever pronouns you so choose, and I have the right to decide whether or not I will use then. It's no different that if you called me 'she.' It's incorrect, and I'll probably think you're an asshole, an idiot, or both, but you DO have that right to be that asshole, idiot, or both, AND neither I, nor the government, should be forcing you, or anyone, to use particular language." I'll personally use their preferred pronouns, because I love and respect that person, but it's wrong to tell me that I HAVE to use them. And THAT's what the SJW's get wrong, and why people hate them.
finally, some punk.
Agreed, been working for awhile to get some punk going here
We can all stand to recommend some punk.
The Exploited - Alternative
Hells yeah
All hail jello Biafra
I like this guy. He's got a really good head on his shoulders.
He fucking gets it - cool dude.
I was pleasantly surprised when he started talking and his awareness started showing. Good Stuff
His name is Jello Biafra
@@theborg Pudding Pop Ethiopa
As a 15 year fan of punk, MAD RESPECT on your openness, especially after hearing the n word.
You NAILED the interpretation of this song. Very impressed.
Yeah I think its pretty clear hes mocking the person who would use it in those situation. Even if you dont agree with his usge of it, youre likely to share his derision
Let’s speak plainly, this song is about BLM, AntiFa, LGBTQ and just about every “ultra” left wing activist movement . They don’t give a damn about about the communities that they claim to champion, all they care about is installing a communist system where EVERYONE is poor and controlled.
Back then folks weren’t as sensitive as they are today. It was the context that mattered.
AT 10:09, VIn sums it up PERFECTLY! The whole song is a tongue-in-cheek SLAM of the self-righteous jackasses, poor little rich kids and their idealistic views of the world. "Shabby-chic hipsters" moving to the slums because they "empathize with the plight". Jello is a lyrical GENIUS! The art of calling someone out for they're "ignorance" and pointing out that "they do not know shit", WITHOUT ACTUALLY SAYING THOSE WORDS??? ABSOLUTELY GENIUS!!!
Signed,
An Old School Punk who was there when this this song was NEW! 🏴☠️
Punk my first love. Celebrating 41 years of listening to the music.
Punk is a genre which isn't just thrown away imo. While every year has that one song everyone loves and then later forgets about. Punk has a legacy. People remember it and rightfully so. Glad my step dad introduced me to it. I'm 15 so I kinda gotta do a lot of research on what I'm listening to. As a matter of fact the dead Kennedys have taught me a lot. Some stuff is obvious and still relates to today but other stuff I do research on to better grasp something.
Cheers man... Im near to celebrate my first 20 years loving it
“pack a wife” perfect message to a person who has done everything expected of them (go to school, kiss ass, get married). Not to mention, the idea of taking a loved one on your vacation
Treat her like luggage :))
For someone who hasn't had thirty-plus years of exposure to this song (like those of us who grew up listening to the DKs) - Vin's analysis of this song was pretty spot on.
What made the Kennedys great, on a lyrical basis, was Jello Biafra's ability to sing satirically, by singing from his enemy's viewpoint.
I don't think you guys understand satire punk bands like the Dead Kennedys. Glad one of you guys understood this.
I don't think satirical is the best description, they're definitely tongue-in-cheek and snarky
You sussed this out like you'd heard the song a thousand times on the first listen. Mad respect for the high powered perception.
How the hell have people made it to 2019 without having heard this a million times already?! XD
Cause kids now a days listen to fetti wap, n t.i., n music about who runs the block between 110th st and 111th st....n they don't n it's fukin sad. Soooo many people now!a days don't have their own thoughts hardly . I do like NF tho it's rap but it's not fukin trash like 95% of this shit comin out now
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This song is satire. You completly missed the point of this song. Its an anti-war anthem, sung satiricaly from the point of view of a U.S. army recruiter, to a naive frsh highschool graduate, during the vietnam war.
The U.S. war machine was secretly proping up the khmer rouge throughout the vietnam conflict. Pol pot was fighting aginst the vietcong/ the spread of communism, therefore he was a natural ally of the CIA, whos primary concern was limiting the spread of socialist revolution (as opposed to human rights) the recruiter starts talking about the (propaganda) horrors of living under the vietcong. Jello (the singer) then starts repeating pol pot's (a name most americans never heard of at the time, hell even today) name to shine a light on how the U.S. doesn't really care about human rights, and is willing to support genocidial dictators if it fits in with their own policy objectives.
Side note: the khmer rouge, while claiming to be communists were really nationalists, whos primary goals were expelling/ exterminating all foreigners from Cambodia, and for cambodia to return to its former greatness as the Angkar kingdom, by setting up feudal agrarianism (read: not socialism), hence setting back the clocks to "The Year Zero." (actions speak louder than words)
One more thing: the NSDAP (the nazis) were about as socialist as the DPRK (north korea) is democratic. (Something something night of long knives.) The nazis were far right wingers, not left wingers. (Thats why in the Weimar republic, before the nazis seized power, the nazi party sat at the far right of parliment, while the socialists sat at the far left. The nazis were representing a right wing perspective. They co-opted the word "socialist" to appeal to working class voters.
Also stalin was bad, GG.
thank god someone who understands basic irony
It's an anti-communism song, it's a song about how western communists/socialists need to have a holiday in Cambodia, during the reign of the Khmer Rouge, to see the reality of what communism really is.
You are so wrong its hilarious
James and Kaerius. While it's cool to draw your own conclusions from music, as is your rights to do so. The song is, however, according to the writers of the song its self, *Jello Biafra and John Greenway* "Holliday in Cambodia" an attack on the on a stereotypical, moralizing, privileged American college student. Its lyrics offer a satirical view of young, well-to-do and self-righteous Americans, contrasting such a lifestyle with the genocidal dictatorship of the Khmer Rouge, led by Pol Pot and his Communist Party of Kampuchea. As Vin quite correctly pointed out in the breakdown of the song.
@Chris Bartolini read more interviews with Jello. He is a die-hard anti-authortiarian, anti-corporate leftist.
Ramones - kkk took my baby away
The clash - white riot
Sex pistols - god save the queen
Misfits - last caress
funny how when that one line came up in the first verse she cringed and looked at him like, 'how do i react?' and he's just has his eyes on the lyrics like, 'aight, where they going with this?'
Black Flag- Rise Above
Misfits - Astro Zombies
Ramones - Sheena is a Punk Rocker live
The Stooges - Search and Destroy
The Damned - New Rose
You are forgetting The Cramps
@@ethand3425 I mentioned The Cramps in my second comment
Adverts - Gary Gilmore's eyes
The saints - I'm stranded
MC5 - kick out the jams
Fugazi - waiting room
Dead Milkmen - The Blues Song
"Don't forget to pack a wife": likely refers to the fact that so many young Cambodian men were killed, that young women in Cambodia, desperate for a husband, wanted to allow bigamy.
Bad Brains - Re - Ignition , Big Takeover live cbgb
The Cramps - Garbage Man
Minor Threat- In My Eyes
It would be interesting to see their take on Minor Threat's Guilty of Being White and what Minor Threat were saying with that song.
Glad to see you still into the music keep it alive punx not dead
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In answer to her question "What was that?'- That was a defining moment in American punk history.
i think this was my favorite of all your videos Vin. i'm glad this song was picked and you gave a real opinion on what's going on
This is one of my favorite songs of all time and it makes me really glad to see to intelligent people break down its meaning and give an honest critique of the subject matter. Well done indeed.
much like the conservatives in australia call themselves liberals... a political party can call itself whatever it wishes, doesn't mean they live up to their name.
felderup to be fair, they are fiscally liberal. still hate em though lol
Hit the nail on the head with this song. Dead Kennedy’s are all about pointing out the hypocrisy
Bad Brains banned in DC
The Clash London Calling
Bad Brains were on the Alliance short list with that and 'Play to cum'. I'm sure they will make it on.
@@jasonsmith666 Not to be a wise guy but the song is actually called "Pay To Cum". I still have the original single.
@@davepollison4333 Your not being A wise guy, I'm just not concentrating when I'm typing. I do it alot.
"Who was Pol Pot?". I watched this young woman's reaction to the lyrics, but not the context. "I didn't like the singer's voice" she said. I am glad she was so honest, because her reactions are of many people.
Bad Brains- Banned in DC
Minor Threat- In My Eyes
Social Distortion- Another State of Mind
Black Flag-Nervous Breakdown
TSOL- Sounds of Laughter...
Just some good ass punk for y’all 👌
My cousin was in Love Canal. Heard of them? He played with all the bands you mentioned. LC was from LA early '80's.
Pthor hell yeah! That’s so sick wasn’t jack Grisham their singer?
Pthor or I could be thinking of another band but I can’t remember right now 😂
Pthor wait never mind I was thinking of Vicious Circle for some reason 😂 I remember hearing that love canal came out with a bunch of their older songs recently or something?
I think it's Kerry Anderson. They tour still, or again. My Cuz can't drum anymore due to an accident, but he still talk's with them on FB. @@GrammazCookiez
Bands like The Dead Kennedy’s we’re singing about subjects that mattered nowadays bands sing about nothing
Listen to Sleaford Mods, very British issues but topical and on point.
A lot of bands still sing about subjects that matter, they just don't get mainstream attention. Just like the Kennedys didn't in the 80s. The good stuff is never just lying on top of the pile. If you can't dig, that's sad, but it ain't just the times. It's you.
There are bands today ? Lol
Boring take
OMG he said the n-word, mrs Obama get down!
I noticed that too. I don't care though I love the song.
Dark Frontier They had a black drummer
I think Jello was trying to comment on how people who act the way he's describing are so oblivious and are so truly out of touch with the people they claim to "know how they feel" that they'd be casually racist i found this perspective through a genius annotation and i think it makes alot of sense and i mean DH Peligro is in the band i don't think he'd be cool playing the song if that wasn't the case
It's satire it's not supposed to be serious
Yep. From the same band that has a song named "Nazi Punks F@#k Off"
ON POINT Vin-man. For someone like me growing up as a Brit youth in the late 1970s, The Dead Kennedys were the 'real deal' for all the punks I knew and were compared to the Sex Pistols, Clash, Buzzcocks and Damned. Excellent reaction and great choice. There's a lot of great punk stuff out there.
The brother broke down this song perfectly. DKs criticism of affluent leftist elites is probably my favorite thing about this band. It’s amazing seeing how well this song aged into our current era. Just a testament to how insightfully written this song was for its time.
Just to be fair, if the Nazis were Socialist, then North Korea is also Democratic because it's in the name DPRK.
And America is also the "Land of the Free" whilst being the country with the most number of prisoners ever.
And if Communism killed all those people, then it's also fair to declare that the annual poverty death toll of 25 million is by Capitalism. Which in effect easily beats Communism's death toll in less than 5 years.
Not here to support either side, but there's a good reason why Communism is suddenly enticing to so many young people, and it's also in the best interests of those in power to demonise communism.
Any significant move to the left is seen as Communism. That's not on. Feel free to scrutinise democratic socialist countries for reference.
Pol Pot slaughtered the educated classes in Cambodia, marched them off into the rural areas and made them farm in death camps, so the could learn the struggles of the proletariat. Jello is basically saying take your college educated middle class life to Cambodia and see what they'll do to you. Then you'll learn about the struggles you so profess to have so much knowledge about.
Whoa you guys got to this way sooner than I expected. Nice. Hope you like it, more to come from us soon
Very cool that Vin quickly picked up quickly on the message of the song.
Dead Kennedys - Kill the Poor
Regarding "Right Guard" deodorant is a reference to their commercials from back in the 70s? It would show someone sweating profusely (from extreme stress) but when they applied Right Guard, all of the stress was magically negated!
Seriously Alliance people? With as much Pepsi as Vin chugs, how could you not suggest Institutionalized by Suicidal Tendencies?
No one walks around with Stalin shirts. Whether you like him or don't like him, Che Guevara was a freedom fighter who had nothing to do with Cambodia.
Recap, he does know but she doesn't. She just didn't like Biafra's voice & doesn't know a shit
Better late than never,I suppose! Haha One of my favorite bands as a kid in the 80's. Classic Punk Rock. I love Vin's explanation of Jello Biafra's lyrical meaning of the song-Good job,man!
That white B don't know PUNK why . so you don't know how can you began to try. I say punk you. If you went yo Vietnam our fight was in Cambodia trying to put the right leader in so the Opiate trade can supply our drug Barron's, what the buck do you think he's singing about. Act supreme or righteous. Bit damn you try to get it please punk was publicity motivated. Yea the nigga almost got.good job sicken & jiveen
Ice ts band body count please
Yeah Evil Dick would be a good 1 lol.
KKK Bitch
Institutionalized!
I saw them live in the nineties like 92-93 with about a hundred other people in a shithole bar. Ice t was a nice dude stayed and talked and was in the crowd for the opening band.
Dear vin and sori-
Liberals arent leftists.
-signed a leftist
P.s. Stalin was bad. GG
They literally mean the same thing.
@@carebear2707 what if i told you, the centrist democratic party..... isnt leftist.
Riddle me this.... have you ever heard a "liberal" espouse ideas such as: the dictatorship of capital??? Seizing the means of production?? Abolishing social hierarchy??? Worker's councils?? Handing corporate control to trade unions?? Social ownership??? Proletarian internationalism???
No. You have not. Because these are not "liberal" ideas. These are just a taste of the diverse concepts found within leftist idea groups.
American liberalism is Leftism. Almost all of American Liberals political ideation's line up with Leftist politics.
@@xThemisJr liberalism = leftism? YAAAWWWN, no one cares what a third world country thinks liberalism is.
@@自我批评 Thats cool. I'm a National Socialist anyway, so i really couldn't care how you see a Retarded "moral" philosophy anyway, was just pointing out a Fact.
True Punk
Punk 2.0 perhaps.
This might actually be the best punk song ever
Jhonny Cage X Rage Fresh Fruit For Rotting Vegetables is probably in my top 5 punk albums of all time
@@nwmonk3105 the scene that created the uniform , better known as the Brit punk. Scene PUNK 2.O.
DK 's are 2.5.
We're not a punk rock band, we're a new wave band!
*Gorilla biscuits-new direction
*Youth of today-break down the wall
*Judge-bringin’ it down
Thought I’d give you these a listen. 80’s NYHC bands.
"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out-because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out- because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me-and there was no one left to speak for me." - Martin Neimöller
Hitler was not a socialist, he was a right wing fascist dictator. Hitler killed off many of the socialist leaders on "The Night of the Long Knives".
You need to brush up on Hitler history, Vin.
profanepersonality the quotation is right. What you've failed to notice is that the fascism in Germany was still a very special (though no less horrible than classical socialism) brand of socialism. As seen with the way the Nazis reorganized the state („Gleichschaltung“, „Totaler Krieg“). Killing of all the other socialists just proves how radical they were and that everything left from them was to be considered Bolshewism according to their point of view. Yours truly, a believing Antifascist
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@@hanswurst6864 The Nazis pioneered the privatization of public industry. We literally get the word "reprivatization" from German when the coined it in the 30s. They destroyed the socialist trade unions and forced them into a state run "union" which forbade wage negotiation and strikes Hitler cut taxes to depression era lows at the behest of industry. While the West went to the left, instituted social programs, and nationalized industries in the 30s, the Nazis swung hard to the right.
So socialists can't kill other socialists? Socialists are still garbage like commies and nazis.
What most fail to understand communism can, will, and always does become a dictatorship!
Nationalsocialism has nothing to do with socialism. In fact it was the socialists and communists that fought Hitler. The song has of course an ironic twist.
Nah, Nazis were left-wingers.
Pendulum Panda Did you sleep in history class? Nazis are right wing extremists. Just as fascists. National socialism has nothing to do with socialism. That is a myth! A right wing myth....
@@bjhellstream actually nazis were socialists but socialist only for the selected people, thats what we call Nationalist socialist
@@bjhellstream Run a side by side of Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union and they're far more similar than they are different.
bjhellstream and capitalist fought the nazis and communist...
Love this song now at the age of 52 just as I did when I first heard it in the mid 80's.
This is hilarious. Love the bewildered looks of their faces. Imagine how this sounded in the 1980's.
It's sounded fucking great. Still does.
Спасибо за видео. Несмотря на то, что я слышал эту песню много раз, приятно видеть людей, которые впервые ее слушают (hey from Russia)
Fresh Fruit is definitely one of the best punk albums
Vin spitting facts!!!! Absolute fire! 🔥
so glad to see both of you smile at what I've always thought was Jello Biafra's greatest lyrical twist: "...where you'll Kiss Ass or Crack!"
That's a line worthy of Noel Coward or Oscar Wilde!
Hell yess, Jello Biafra is awesome. Love everything Dead Kennedys put out.
This song is a straight up anti commie song. The racial epithet was used to shock yet convey a strong point. It’s punk rock.
Vin, you always impress me. Not many people realize how many less people Hitler killed. I'm not defending Hitler!!!! But I just love your rationalizations. We'd be buds.
We’re buds
Yep. Especially Winston Churchill, considered a saint but caused deaths of millions as well.
The main thing about the Dead Kennedys is that their primary mode of writing is sarcasm
Dead Kennedy's baby........awe yeah. Jello Biafra has dipped his toe in the political pool back in the day. By the way that's the vocalist of this band.
Nationasocialists were not fascists. Dont compare third reich with Italys fascism. They were capitalism LIGHT. Consider this. Communism - STATE OWNS EVERYTHING. Nationalsocialism you live free and get well payed. State owns a certain amount of factories and projects. Something that makes sure the nation is selfsustained. A certain amount of labour is needed to be protected in national workplace. Energy, mining, construction for example. Mussollini have more incommon with Stalin than Hitler.
Great selection, guys! You should do a punk week. Fugazi's "Waiting Room", Sex Pistols' "Pretty Vacant", Sonic Youth's "Teenage Riot" and The Ramones' "Beat on the Brat" are my humble suggestions.
I love that you're talking about this song 40 years after it was released on a topic approximately 50 years old. I love the conversation because this is one of my favorite bands from way back when. Thank you for getting it, most folks just write this off, but Jello Biafra was onto something.
Being a kid of the 70's, this was like mental napalm, especially when we'd hit the library and read the Encyclopedia Brittanica volumes to figure out what he was talking about. We were stunned, our prepubescent brains were shredded, but it made us grow up faster.
Hell Yes Dude! So Stoked your playing some Kennedy's!!! Cant forget Minor Threat and some Suicidal Tendencies..
I should point out that Jello can definitely be an a$$hole, but he's not a racist a$$hole. The n word is there to call out other people.
Dead Kennedys - Police Truck and The Stars And Stripes of Corruption
Fantastic song.. I loved this album. I love how you get it and explain it perfectly for those who don't understand the lyrics.
Bad Brains - I against I
Bad Brains - House of Suffering
Love how you got the message straight on and had such a laugh about it that I’ve seen you guys reacting 6 months ago and here I’m watching you guys again.
To get an idea of Jello Biafra, vocalist, former, I suggest you check out some of his documentary spoken word symposiums, he is unapologetically in your face, before Henry Rollins made it cool.
Henrys ok for a bit ... But I can listen to JELLO for hours !
"What... was that?"
That was awesome, is what it was!
I never heard someone get Jello so quickly. Awesome.
The beauty of punk, it opens up conversations that normally wouldn't be
I don’t think anyone goes around wearing a Stalin shirt, Vin. And Hitler was not a socialist: he sent communists and socialists to concentration camps.
Andrew Hyde well, that’s not an argument to desocialize Hitler. The USSR’s communists also killed many of their fellow communists during the great purges of Stalin. What I'm saying is that just killing paople doesn’t mean, that you completely despise what they think. Hitler wasn't a socialist in the classical sense but believed in many socialist ideas like „seizing the means of production“ as seen during the „gleichschaltung“ (German for „equital shift“) and the Total War reorganization process where the state basically took most of the capital existent within it’s reach.
@@hanswurst6864 and the fact that with Hitler it was the government seizing the means of production and not the workers is a pretty massive difference. Once again, it's almost like Hitler used language to mask his intentions like calling his fascist organization Socialist. Dethroning the ruling capitalist class to empower a dictator is NOT and has never been the meaning of "seizing the means of production".
Viva146 Altough I agree with you that the way the means of profuction are being seized is different to the socialist ideal, it doesn’t mean that the Nazis didn't hold socialist beliefs. Comparing the 3rd Reich to countries with socialism as the form of state, one can see that in reality it was (after the revolution, of course) almost always the goverment perpetuating this principle. A very good example of this was the way that the socialist eastern German state worked. As any new industrious efforts without the goverments direct control were kept for a while and then immediatly transformed into a govermentally led institution. One very interesting case of this was the first electric car conseptualized by a very entrepreneurial young man. After he privately founded his factory, the government proceeded to immediately seize it. In conclusion, the way that socialist ideas are conceptualized and manifest themselves is not necessary the same.
I was impressed that VIN was able to analyze this song so quickly. I wonder if he did an Internet search prior to this video.
7:55 Watch the hard R's there miss
You have to listen to the whole album to get this band's views clearly . They thought " liberals " could threaten freedom with too many environmental rules . They did not anticipate the kind of attacks on our freedoms that conservatives now delight in . They also thought that their audience could pick up on their sarcasm . However , their audience often overlooked the points they were trying to make , and ran with ignorant conclusions instead . Eventually , they figured out that " liberals " were not the problem .
The build-up at the beginning of this song, is far the best of all time, all kind of music include!
The DKs were one of the more musical of the punk bands. Lots of twists and turns in their songs.
Holy shit you did Almighty Dead Kennedys!!! great song and 1 of my favorite bands all hail Jello!!
24:38 She just learned about Cambodia and is now acting like she knows it, or at least that is the vibe I am getting from her at that time
She doesn't know much does she.
At least she’s honest about it, the guy is forever spouting fallacy.
Yeah, but don't place yourself in front of a camera minus your dunce hat!
Back in 1985 my brother, my friends and I went on surfing trip from Geneva (Switzerland) to Lacanau west southern France. We were listening to the "Dead Kennedys" out loud in the car and we all forgot everything about gas... We finally ran out of gas in the middle of the night right in the center of France! We slept in the the car in a small village named "Bourg-Lastic". Got some gas the next day as the gas station opened and went on our trip, still listening to the "Dead Kennedys" out loud! Surfing trips are the best! And the "Dead Kennedys" are an eye opening if you love freedom!
Hitler was not a socialist. Educate yourself.
Who's wearing Stalin shirts?
The TLDR of this video is "we listen to a song with a long understood and pointed meaning that goes over our heads completely and then ignorantly conflate various forms of leftism and fascism for several minutes. Also we throw in a far right conspiracy theory about communists committing a larger than the Nazis for good measure."
I'm wondering though if this is satire because they spend the back half of this actually talking like the kind of people that the dead kennedys made this song to make fun of. The only thing that gives me pause is who uploads a half hour long satire video??
This dude got the message of the song spot on bro 👏
I love that the guy here completely understands the song. Your a smart dude my man
Sex Pistols- God save the Queen
It isn't a 'left' or 'right thing, extremism and radicalisation is the problem. Nazism has nothing to do with socialist ideals, the word was appropriated by the Franco's, Mussolini's and Hitlers of the world who by convention were 'right' wing not left.
Dead Kennedys - MTV get off the air.
80s punk is lot like a rollercoaster version of rock and roll,you go slow at first and ZOOM! you dunno what direction the vocals,guitars,bass or drums are going but you're loving it just the same
Your reactions reading the lyrics is classic. Welcome to the world of Jello. Enjoy.
Your reaction to this song was the BEST on UA-cam x
Nice!! DK, Black Flag, Circle Jerks..... This was a great time for the Punk Genre! Brought back some great memories.
The singing style is characteristic of punk. It's meant to sound snarky and full of contempt, but having fun with it.
Well, to clarify this...Jello's singing is not really tipical punk style....yo my point of view tus style is unique....cannot remember a punk band that sounds like Jello....Maybe Valor's voice, the singer of Christian Death (Check the song "Vanity")....and Christian Death is not really a punk band
Minor Threat - Straight Edge, Out of step
I work with a handful of Cambodians that were there during Pol Pot's regime and escaped.
One of the guys was telling me once a little bit about being starved and worked to death (for some of his friends). How they weren't given meat, had night blindness, etc. And he said when a group of them finally managed to escape, when they were on the border of Cambodia and Thailand they had to cross a river to get into Thailand. Some of the group wanted to wait until nightfall, but most of them saw freedom right there, so they charged across the shallow river. Some Khmer Rouge were there hiding with machine guns, and opened up on them. He said something like 30 of them started across, and only 10 made it (including my co-worker).
I also worked with 2 Cambodian married couples (all have retired, now). Both couples were friends with each other before the Khmer Rouge came to power. Both couples escaped, but while doing so, husband from couple 'A' and wife from couple 'B' made it out together, and wife 'A' & husband 'B' made it out together. Both pairs didn't know if the others had survived, both came to the US, and after several years of thinking the others were dead, both parties re-married their friends. Then later on they found out their previous spouses survived and were in the US too. Messed up situation all around, but both couples stayed friends, when it was all said and done.