The best game we had under Stefanski, we blew the Steelers out in the wild card round back in 21. AVP was calling the plays, Stefanski was in the basement with covid. What happened when Stefanski came back. We looked like a different team. play calling was trash, Hunt got the ball once in the second half of the game. And we lost to the Chiefs with Mahomes out. If that was not all we needed to know Stefanski was an issue I don't know what was.
How much of the failure the Offensive Line is experiencing through the first four games is due to Callahan leaving? The defense seems like they’re heavily sedated on opiates while they play too! I’m baffled…….
Dont blame this on Watson this time. He was let down by the team. He took some big hits and came up like, "oh well, try it again." He did good. I seriously thing our receivers are afraid to get hit. Coop let it bounce off because 2 raiders were coming in on him. That Jeudy catch, he dropped to the ground before he was tackled. Harris tried to throw the game i think, 😆. That hold call killed us.🤬
You know that take on Stefanskis tenure is spot on. I can’t think of even 1 game where EVERYTHING went smoothly. It’s always something going wrong. It just never looks clean, and we never seem to get better at anything. Year over year there is no improvement
Watson has sucked the life out of this franchise. The Browns have the highest payroll in the NFL and it does not show. It’s a result of flushing more than 3 years of resources in trade for a rapey quarterback with diminished skills
No Baker wouldn't... We'd have 8 top 100 picks on our team that could have helped. Can't say baker would have been smoked yesterday cause Watson caused the lost in Draft Capital... Ill tell you this... If Watson was on Tampa idk if he looks anybetter.... But Baker looking like MVP
Sad because we have a star level player on each level of the defense Myles Jok and ward but Myles has no real threat on the d line with him Jok is great in space but he gambles a lot and MJ and newsome are avg at best
I hate hearing “was he perfect or he missed throws.” EVERY NFL QB misses throws. Today Deshaun put this sorry excuse of a football team on his back and they failed him. Stefanski has to go. The Browns are never going anywhere under this clown.
@@Itsalwayscloudyincleveland Shut up. The Browns been to the playoffs in spite of Stefanski and won with him in a basement! He does nothing for this Organization. You're a loser. You support losers. It all makes sense.
Do u realize how ridiculous u sound? This game wasn't on Watson. I'll say he played well enough to get us a win. Coop having a ball bounce off his chest for an int and that phantom holding play r the reasons we lost. Does Kev catch or block? His play calling wasn't the problem it's the execution! It's funny how every other QB has lit it up under the same coach, but Watson can't get it together!
Kevin costed us the game it was unbelievable. First he dropped that pass that led to an int then he was holding like a dumbass that negated a td then worst of all Kevin went out there and missed an extra point so we couldn’t tie the game at the end. Pretty sure i saw him snap the ball before Deshaun was ready too so we had a 2&16 instead of 1&10. Cant believe Kevin did all of that.
I'm just glad I quit watching the Browns and started watching the Chiefs and 49ers. The very thought of watching Watson is sickening to me. They looked damn good with Flacco last year, but the Browns organization is to busy getting rid of the good QBs they had, Mayfield and Flacco, for that overrated POS Watson.
There were just as if not more Browns fans than Raider fans and it was crazy how quiet they were. My Brother and I were the only Browns voices from our section surrounded by Browns fans, it was pathetic maybe just cause their voices get burnt quick from inhaling smog all day in Vegas but that didn't stop us, or Raiders fans. Fuck, we shoulda won that game. There were so many things that could have given us a much better chance at winning, so many plays, defensive plays, if we made the extra point... another winnable game lost. And the fans in the stadium could have been the difference.
Another thing that drives me crazy is the little backs thinking they can tackle Aaron Jones for example by the shoulder pads lol. Cmon it is basic fundamentals you grab their legs!!!! It drives me crazy
@@frontierlandfrank5314 he did not call a solid game, he called a safe game. The team is not disciplined and that starts with the image of the team and that’s the coach
@@Kitk2022 he has to call a safe game when his QB is literally bottom of the league. Watson can’t be trusted. Dude can’t see the field and can’t throw with anticipation.
@@frontierlandfrank5314 I disagree man. No QB should have to be perfect. Kevin calls streaks that take time to deliver, time is something Watson does not have most of the time. We don’t utilize are rb. We should do more reverses and trick plays. I’m as fair as I can be as a fan and I cannot blame D4. Our team beats ourselves with all these penalties. Penalties are a sign of lack of discipline and that is a reflection of the coach. Our kicker makes a 56 yard kick then misses a 35. The team is self destruct. If he’s the coach and play caller he needs to own it or minimize his workload
@@Kitk2022 that’s not true at all look at Deshaun’s throw chart. Majority are short quick, 10 yards or less passes. We had 5 penalties yesterday. That wasn’t the problem. If you can’t blame Deshaun you are delusional. He’s the only guy making as much money as he is. The only guy we gave 6 picks for. He’s held to a different standard than everyone else. We brought him to be exceptional, he isn’t even average. When you pay a guy that takes up a quarter of the cap, the expectation is they make up for the roster holes in other areas.
Meh. Mayfield had that locker room completely divided. And only after failing at his next stop did he finally look inward, get a personal QB coach and finally turn into the player he is at TB. That journey of introspection and self-development wouldn’t have happened here. So it’s a moot point.
@@Accurize2meh. The locker room was fine. Beckham was a diva releasing videos through his daddy because he’s a child. Carolina was a dumpster fire, clearly had nothing to do with him.
"The whole root of the fanclub is to be rooted in objectivity [...] Baker is terrible against heavy pressure. He's got the best LT in football. He's loaded with reliable pass catches and a good run game." Hahahahahaha. Proposing objectivity only to immediately make info up is amazing. Fyi Baker went into this week 3 sacks under Watson with over half a second faster time to throw. His RT nearly gave up a record breaking amount of sacks a couple of games ago (a game the Bucs won fyi). He's among the highest rated QBs vs the blitz this year. His receivers dropped 5+ passes today. And oh yeah, that good run game has ranked dead last in the league these last two years, and averaged 1.5 ypc throughout most of their game last week.
Those are completely hollow stats - is the Bucs o line better than the Browns currently? Are the Bucs running backs better than the Browns currently? Are the Bucs recs better than the Browns recs currently? Those are all big yes’s. The only thing that might not be true is that he is terrible against pressure, he’s definitely improved, but he wouldnt be doing what he has if he was on this current browns roster
@@joericottoneHollow stats? How the hell is being the worst ranked run game for two years a hollow stat. How is being sacked nearly as much as Watson a hollow stat, when I qualify it with his TTT vs Watson? Are the Bucs backs better than the browns? Why are you asking me that, you're the one pulling a claim out of the air about their run game being good. That has nothing to do with the browns. (And fyi they aren't). The Bucs do have a better receiving corps than the browns. But that is not your initial claim. The initials claim is that they are reliable, and they (specifically Evans) definitely do drop balls relatively regularly.
@cemarz - this is about this season, not the last two. Also, mike evans is a hall of famer and chris godwin is arguably the best slot rec in the league, they also have raschad white and bucky irving (who anyone who has ever watched football would take over ford and foreman) - sacks also don’t tell the full story, watson breaks free from a lot of would be sacks and that is what I am sayin mayfield wouldnt have been able to overcome, as well as watson’s ability to run the ball when the play breaks down - watson is first in the league for pressures faced and QB hits. Being sacked is a hollow stat because it doesnt tell the full story of why it’s happening and the fact that some players can break away from would be sacks better than others - which proves my point, Baker has been sacked almost as much while facing way less pressure
Punked by Dan Jones lol. I also saw numerous "highlights " from a losing game against the Bill's lol. So our "highlights" were from a game we lost lol. That says alot to me! Yet Go Browns see u next Sunday.
Defense needs to play with more tenacity. Watson again not getting much help on offense. I'm not so sure we can blame the players, in fact I don't blame them at all. Coaching isn't bad either. I think it's more of a trickle down effect from the big guys upstairs.
Giants beat us with a rookie and Raiders beat us with a laundry list of No names. I say we put in some No names to see if the chemistry picks up. Couldn't hurt, since we are about to face a Rookie QB who is slinging it right now.
😅 that's not fair. The doomsday clock should have been given a few more seconds, because if Watson was bad you would have taken seconds. We're gonna call for the baby to take your doomsday duties 😅
Nah Watson played pretty good today.. Amari failed him #53's hold hurt us bad all them missed tackles killed us coach's play calling was horrible again..
Bottom line is this, this is not Kevins system! He runs a great play action offense with great success! When u change what works and what ur good at to fit a bum,thats the problem! U talk about his record? I think its incredible considering the injuries and the qbs hes had to work with. Baker when healthy- playoffs and a play away grom the AFC championship game. Second yr Baker played hurt the whole yr and we weren't good obviously. Third yr Jacoby Brisset for most of the yr and had us in the top ten offensively. Fourth yr the most injuries in nfl history and 5 different QBs. And this yr Watson again with no offensive line AGAIN. What is he supposed to do? What coach would be able to do more under the circumstances? Please someone answer me! This season has been over since week 1! We're terrible at all aspects of the game!
Another thing is we have ZERO RUNNING GAME. If we had that then defenses have to cover that,now l they know we gonna throw it lol. So if all you really have to do is cover the pass and nit worry about the run lol then the other team allready has an advantage.
I wonder if Flacco could do better this year, if they kept him. I honestly don’t think Watson has it in him. Some games he shines and some he blows, he isn’t dependable. I was never a Baker fan, he gets sacked a time or two and he panics. Sure, he played hurt, but IMO that was selfish of him. He blew that year, he should have got his arm worked on and gave it to the backup.
KS HAS NOT been the best coach. Just the coach with best roster. He’s done less with more than any coach in Browns history. One WC win in 4… soon to be 5 years… is a joke.
I have been going to the games since old Municipal stadium. I am 51 and literally grew up watching them in person. The problem is EGO and lack of heart peroid. When your team is grooving together they are having fun,and you have fun playing with your friends. Teammates that like eachother groove like no other and WIN GAMES!!!!! Oh then we hire a pos dude that rap#@ women as the LEADER!!!! The face of the team,he is a human kids are supposed to look up to lol. Until we can groove together we loose peroid.
Maybe an unpopular opinion but I think the team played harder and better under Gregg Williams in 2018.. I think he should have been the hire. The dude seemed hard nose Kevin seems like a push over and I feel like that’s why our team is so undisciplined!!!
Can everyone agree to just stop talking about Baker, he isn't a Brown anymore. Also his run game was ranked dead last in 2023, it certainly isn't "good" and his oline is statistically worse than the Browns. The front office fucked up, lets stop coping and just move on. I don't want to hear any what-ifs unless its about Winston.
And this is the 'easy' part of the schedule. 2 weeks in a row the 2 worst rushing teams in the NFL gashed them 2 weeks in a row. They missed tackle after missed tackle. And the Browns lead the NFL in penalties and dropped passes. They are out coached every week are glacially slow to make adjustments. And as far as the Watson haters...get a life. Go troll somewhere else we want to suffer in peace with our already disaster of a season.
Oh my god do not even with your nonsense about Mayfield! Baker is a leader first and foremost… Watson is a moral miscreant, and nobody on the team respects him. And you are 100% wrong about Baker and his supporting cast… Tampa has had a TERRIBLE run game and that’s been true for decades. They also have had lots of OL njuries so cut the crap and excuses. In spite pressure what Baker does is make plays something massage boy rarely does
What QB is good under this type of pressure? Thats a ridiculous take! Im no fan of Watson, but he did everything he needed to do to het us a W! Coop is a bum and needs to go! Hes made two great catches this yr and dropped everything else! Looks awful! That drop was disgusting and it gifted an int! That BS holding penalty was a joke! Even the announcers said it was awful! Hopkins misses a damn XP! We invent ways to blow a game and im just done woth this team. The ownership and front office r the worst in sports! Lets go Commanders!
Joey Joey Joey! Usually were on the same page! Ur take on Baker vs Watson was awful! Any QB under that type of pressure isnt gonna be good! To make it seem like Baker is somehow worse under pressure than anyone else is a bad take! Watson got sacked 62 times in Hou and put up over 4k yds in 2018! His line was awful in Houston his whole time there! He never had a running game or wrs besides Hopkins! So whats the difference! Watson wasnt bad today. It was his best game this season,but thats not saying much. He was like 12-13 or something like that for less than 100yds. All short passes! Its mych deeper than just the QB, but he doesnt elevate us at all! Did u ever think theyre outta synch because of all the off the field BS associated with Watson? Can u imagine having a QB accused of something like that and not being sure if hes guilty or not? Having a wife and daughter and not knowing if ur QB is a serial pervert! Imagine what they have to hear on the road from opposing fans! Every other QB has had success under Kevin so what is the deciding factor in the reason the offense isnt doing anything?
4k yards but a 4-12 record. His best statistical season was because of garbage time throws to DHop. You guys simply hyped yourselves up. Nobody in their right mind, had Cleveland winning more than 5 games.
@@URRidikalus WTF ru talking about. Don't say u guys! I knew we we're screwed the second we traded for this bum! I was just making the point that these Watson fanboys keep blaming the line and everyone else for how bad he's been. I just pointed out the fact that he's played behind much worse and produced way better numbers! We won't win more than 5-6 games this yr. Nobody wants to play with this guy and it shows!
@@URRidikalus You don't know football. DHop wasn't on that team. He had gotten traded to the Cardinal. Like I have always said, the majority of you haters don't know anything about football.
You said all of that just to say he's a pervert 🤦🏿♂️. I don't know why yall try to act like yall know football. Yall only care about the names on the back of the jerseys. In Houston Watson had way better receivers that's why he was successful.
I dont trust comments or critique from people who never played not coached the game at a high level. And even QB's like Kurt Warner and Tony Romo give bizarre and outlandish takes on modern QB play. Aikman, Brady, the Manning's, and even Cam Newton give fair QB criticism. This season alone QB play has been bad, due to poor Offensive Line and WR production! Not one of the Top QB'S have consistently looked great! When a QB is running for his life and receivers drop balls, they struggle!!!!! No QB has been affected by this more than Deshaun Watson!!! Not Mahomes, Allen, Burrows, Hurts, Prescott, Rodgers, Stafford, Stroud, Love, etc. And all of them have struggled this season! Y'all must not play "Fantasy Football" or "Gamble", because if you did you would know how bad QB play has been! And the Browns Defense has been "Average"! No pressure from the Dline, aside from M. Garrett, and very few turnovers! They haven't been "Bad", but haven't looked fast, nor aggressive! Watson is a "Top Tier" QB (Still), and it would be Damning on Stephansky for him to go elsewhere and thrive! The Browns (Hypochondriac) Media and "Jabroni" Fanbase have been a major issue in the whole "Watson Tenure"!
@@frontierlandfrank5314 yep, players got the point and started making plays. And don't act like the defense didn't play exceptional, and Kelce, Rice, and Pacheco stepped up big! Even Toney made plays for them! Y'all act like Mahomes passes, catches, rushes by himself! He must also kick field goals and run kick returns too! It's a "Team Sport"!
@@frontierlandfrank5314 true, but check out Mahomes and the Chiefs this season. They're struggling to win games (even though they are 4-0). Their Offense is aided by bad calls from refs and questionable tackling efforts by opposing defense! Mahomes runs around looking for target's just like Watson. Difference is....his WR's catches the balls, but Watson's drop his! Kelce struggling, Pacheco and now Rice is out, but Worthy is getting open and making catches! Where's Watson's help? No Chubb, no Njoku, no Wills, no Conklin, Cooper and D. Jones struggling! It's not a fair evaluation of Watson, who "IS" coming off of major season ending surgery on his throwing shoulder!
@scottgrdina5599 seems to be doing better than Watson... has Tampa Bay at 3-1 and threw for another 300 yards.... with the money saved keeping a Flacco or a Mayfield, would have done wonders for other positions and some depth.... Baker may have mid.... but Watson is bottom shelf.
Watson is far superior to Baker. Anyone that understands football knows that. Baker is mid and Deshaun is just better. That's why they got the contracts they did.
@@cattywampusmcdooglemayfield is, and always was too inconsistent. He was really never that good in a browns uniform. Say what you think about Watsons play, but the offense has failed him. Not the other way around.
The best game we had under Stefanski, we blew the Steelers out in the wild card round back in 21. AVP was calling the plays, Stefanski was in the basement with covid. What happened when Stefanski came back. We looked like a different team. play calling was trash, Hunt got the ball once in the second half of the game. And we lost to the Chiefs with Mahomes out. If that was not all we needed to know Stefanski was an issue I don't know what was.
Damn that’s so true can’t even argue
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@@deereed3303 blows my mind everytime I think about it.
How much of the failure the Offensive Line is experiencing through the first four games is due to Callahan leaving? The defense seems like they’re heavily sedated on opiates while they play too! I’m baffled…….
We need Callahan back absolutely 💯
I mean even last year the line was bad with Callahan. But to go from bad to egregious I can agree is baffling.
But Titans O line sucks. It's not Him leaving. I think injuries and age hit the team hard, plus a bad training camp
@@M.A_BBSCallahan is currently presiding over a worse line in tenn.
Kevin does not have a clue on what he’s doing
We might have a rough season but at least we can all come here and shit on the bad stuff together. Makes it a little easier 😂
NEVER GET RID OF THAT AMAZING INDIANS SIGN!!!
I enjoyed watching Flacco win in Indy, and Baker ball out in Tampa. Until there's a QB change, the team will have no cohesion.
The reason the browns are losing is because I’m having a good betting season and the universe will not allow a browns fan to be truly happy.
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Dont blame this on Watson this time. He was let down by the team. He took some big hits and came up like, "oh well, try it again." He did good. I seriously thing our receivers are afraid to get hit. Coop let it bounce off because 2 raiders were coming in on him. That Jeudy catch, he dropped to the ground before he was tackled. Harris tried to throw the game i think, 😆. That hold call killed us.🤬
You know that take on Stefanskis tenure is spot on. I can’t think of even 1 game where EVERYTHING went smoothly. It’s always something going wrong. It just never looks clean, and we never seem to get better at anything. Year over year there is no improvement
Watson has sucked the life out of this franchise. The Browns have the highest payroll in the NFL and it does not show.
It’s a result of flushing more than 3 years of resources in trade for a rapey quarterback with diminished skills
Not depressed at all, Bucs had a damn good game against the Eagles. Victory monday baby!!!!
No Baker wouldn't... We'd have 8 top 100 picks on our team that could have helped. Can't say baker would have been smoked yesterday cause Watson caused the lost in Draft Capital... Ill tell you this... If Watson was on Tampa idk if he looks anybetter.... But Baker looking like MVP
I was told Cleveland had the best defense in the league! I was obviously lied to !
Sad because we have a star level player on each level of the defense Myles Jok and ward but Myles has no real threat on the d line with him Jok is great in space but he gambles a lot and MJ and newsome are avg at best
I hate hearing “was he perfect or he missed throws.” EVERY NFL QB misses throws. Today Deshaun put this sorry excuse of a football team on his back and they failed him. Stefanski has to go. The Browns are never going anywhere under this clown.
Brother the Browns have been to the playoffs twice with him. get real. They've been to the playoffs 0 times with Deshaun lol
@@Itsalwayscloudyincleveland Shut up. The Browns been to the playoffs in spite of Stefanski and won with him in a basement! He does nothing for this Organization. You're a loser. You support losers. It all makes sense.
@@Itsalwayscloudyincleveland Also the Browns don't make the playoffs without Deshaun's 4-1 record last season. Dummy
Do u realize how ridiculous u sound? This game wasn't on Watson. I'll say he played well enough to get us a win. Coop having a ball bounce off his chest for an int and that phantom holding play r the reasons we lost. Does Kev catch or block? His play calling wasn't the problem it's the execution! It's funny how every other QB has lit it up under the same coach, but Watson can't get it together!
Kevin costed us the game it was unbelievable. First he dropped that pass that led to an int then he was holding like a dumbass that negated a td then worst of all Kevin went out there and missed an extra point so we couldn’t tie the game at the end. Pretty sure i saw him snap the ball before Deshaun was ready too so we had a 2&16 instead of 1&10. Cant believe Kevin did all of that.
I'm just glad I quit watching the Browns and started watching the Chiefs and 49ers. The very thought of watching Watson is sickening to me. They looked damn good with Flacco last year, but the Browns organization is to busy getting rid of the good QBs they had, Mayfield and Flacco, for that overrated POS Watson.
Well if that is the case. Stop commenting. SMH... loser mentality.
If they don't turn this thing around fast, I think both Kevin and AB's jobs are on the line come January.
That last play should have been a RPO to the right. A bad line can't be trusted for a drop back at that time.
There were just as if not more Browns fans than Raider fans and it was crazy how quiet they were. My Brother and I were the only Browns voices from our section surrounded by Browns fans, it was pathetic maybe just cause their voices get burnt quick from inhaling smog all day in Vegas but that didn't stop us, or Raiders fans. Fuck, we shoulda won that game. There were so many things that could have given us a much better chance at winning, so many plays, defensive plays, if we made the extra point... another winnable game lost. And the fans in the stadium could have been the difference.
I never thought about what you said about a complete game with Kev hmm. You are completely correct hmm.
I think Freddie kitchens actually went on to be a famous shower curtain ring salesman
Stafanski does not know how to use his RB's
Another thing that drives me crazy is the little backs thinking they can tackle Aaron Jones for example by the shoulder pads lol. Cmon it is basic fundamentals you grab their legs!!!! It drives me crazy
I like this host, he tells the truth
The problem is clear KS is the problem but nobody will address his predictable play calling
KS called a solid game yesterday. There were dudes literally running free with no one around them
And Deshaun can’t throw with anticipation.
@@frontierlandfrank5314 he did not call a solid game, he called a safe game. The team is not disciplined and that starts with the image of the team and that’s the coach
@@Kitk2022 he has to call a safe game when his QB is literally bottom of the league. Watson can’t be trusted. Dude can’t see the field and can’t throw with anticipation.
@@frontierlandfrank5314 I disagree man. No QB should have to be perfect. Kevin calls streaks that take time to deliver, time is something Watson does not have most of the time. We don’t utilize are rb. We should do more reverses and trick plays. I’m as fair as I can be as a fan and I cannot blame D4. Our team beats ourselves with all these penalties. Penalties are a sign of lack of discipline and that is a reflection of the coach. Our kicker makes a 56 yard kick then misses a 35. The team is self destruct. If he’s the coach and play caller he needs to own it or minimize his workload
@@Kitk2022 that’s not true at all look at Deshaun’s throw chart. Majority are short quick, 10 yards or less passes. We had 5 penalties yesterday. That wasn’t the problem. If you can’t blame Deshaun you are delusional. He’s the only guy making as much money as he is. The only guy we gave 6 picks for. He’s held to a different standard than everyone else. We brought him to be exceptional, he isn’t even average. When you pay a guy that takes up a quarter of the cap, the expectation is they make up for the roster holes in other areas.
It's your ownership. You got rid of Mayfield to sign massage boy 😂
Meh. Mayfield had that locker room completely divided. And only after failing at his next stop did he finally look inward, get a personal QB coach and finally turn into the player he is at TB. That journey of introspection and self-development wouldn’t have happened here. So it’s a moot point.
@@Accurize2meh. The locker room was fine. Beckham was a diva releasing videos through his daddy because he’s a child. Carolina was a dumpster fire, clearly had nothing to do with him.
@@Accurize2not true at all.
"The whole root of the fanclub is to be rooted in objectivity [...] Baker is terrible against heavy pressure. He's got the best LT in football. He's loaded with reliable pass catches and a good run game."
Hahahahahaha. Proposing objectivity only to immediately make info up is amazing.
Fyi Baker went into this week 3 sacks under Watson with over half a second faster time to throw. His RT nearly gave up a record breaking amount of sacks a couple of games ago (a game the Bucs won fyi). He's among the highest rated QBs vs the blitz this year. His receivers dropped 5+ passes today. And oh yeah, that good run game has ranked dead last in the league these last two years, and averaged 1.5 ypc throughout most of their game last week.
Those are completely hollow stats - is the Bucs o line better than the Browns currently? Are the Bucs running backs better than the Browns currently? Are the Bucs recs better than the Browns recs currently? Those are all big yes’s. The only thing that might not be true is that he is terrible against pressure, he’s definitely improved, but he wouldnt be doing what he has if he was on this current browns roster
@@joericottoneHollow stats? How the hell is being the worst ranked run game for two years a hollow stat. How is being sacked nearly as much as Watson a hollow stat, when I qualify it with his TTT vs Watson?
Are the Bucs backs better than the browns? Why are you asking me that, you're the one pulling a claim out of the air about their run game being good. That has nothing to do with the browns. (And fyi they aren't).
The Bucs do have a better receiving corps than the browns. But that is not your initial claim. The initials claim is that they are reliable, and they (specifically Evans) definitely do drop balls relatively regularly.
@cemarz - this is about this season, not the last two. Also, mike evans is a hall of famer and chris godwin is arguably the best slot rec in the league, they also have raschad white and bucky irving (who anyone who has ever watched football would take over ford and foreman) - sacks also don’t tell the full story, watson breaks free from a lot of would be sacks and that is what I am sayin mayfield wouldnt have been able to overcome, as well as watson’s ability to run the ball when the play breaks down - watson is first in the league for pressures faced and QB hits. Being sacked is a hollow stat because it doesnt tell the full story of why it’s happening and the fact that some players can break away from would be sacks better than others - which proves my point, Baker has been sacked almost as much while facing way less pressure
@@joericottoneDude ... you don't watch the Bucs eh.
Punked by Dan Jones lol. I also saw numerous "highlights " from a losing game against the Bill's lol. So our "highlights" were from a game we lost lol. That says alot to me! Yet Go Browns see u next Sunday.
I don't know why they don't get Thrash some looks with his speed. Every other team gets production out of their rookie wide recievers.
Defense needs to play with more tenacity. Watson again not getting much help on offense. I'm not so sure we can blame the players, in fact I don't blame them at all. Coaching isn't bad either. I think it's more of a trickle down effect from the big guys upstairs.
Giants beat us with a rookie and Raiders beat us with a laundry list of No names.
I say we put in some No names to see if the chemistry picks up.
Couldn't hurt, since we are about to face a Rookie QB who is slinging it right now.
😅 that's not fair. The doomsday clock should have been given a few more seconds, because if Watson was bad you would have taken seconds.
We're gonna call for the baby to take your doomsday duties 😅
Shoutout to Usports!!!
YES SIR!!! 🫡🫡🫡
Instead we went with Freddy which obviously didn’t work out and then went with Kevin. I think we should have just kept riding with Gregg Williams
Nah Watson played pretty good today..
Amari failed him #53's hold hurt us bad all them missed tackles killed us coach's play calling was horrible again..
Bottom line is this, this is not Kevins system! He runs a great play action offense with great success! When u change what works and what ur good at to fit a bum,thats the problem! U talk about his record? I think its incredible considering the injuries and the qbs hes had to work with. Baker when healthy- playoffs and a play away grom the AFC championship game. Second yr Baker played hurt the whole yr and we weren't good obviously. Third yr Jacoby Brisset for most of the yr and had us in the top ten offensively. Fourth yr the most injuries in nfl history and 5 different QBs. And this yr Watson again with no offensive line AGAIN. What is he supposed to do? What coach would be able to do more under the circumstances? Please someone answer me! This season has been over since week 1! We're terrible at all aspects of the game!
Another thing is we have ZERO RUNNING GAME. If we had that then defenses have to cover that,now l they know we gonna throw it lol. So if all you really have to do is cover the pass and nit worry about the run lol then the other team allready has an advantage.
I have a sick feeling that jimmy haslem is hiding in the weeds somewhere. There was way too much change over the offseason
You just got a new subscriber I like how you think.
Organizational failure from top to bottom. Will take a decade to get out of this.
I wonder if Flacco could do better this year, if they kept him. I honestly don’t think Watson has it in him. Some games he shines and some he blows, he isn’t dependable. I was never a Baker fan, he gets sacked a time or two and he panics. Sure, he played hurt, but IMO that was selfish of him. He blew that year, he should have got his arm worked on and gave it to the backup.
I was at this game!!
I totally agree…this is a bad team with a ton of talent.
Our Defense is tired as well.
If the browns don't make the playoffs it's because they weren't serious 😢about winning.
KS HAS NOT been the best coach. Just the coach with best roster. He’s done less with more than any coach in Browns history. One WC win in 4… soon to be 5 years… is a joke.
I have been going to the games since old Municipal stadium. I am 51 and literally grew up watching them in person. The problem is EGO and lack of heart peroid. When your team is grooving together they are having fun,and you have fun playing with your friends. Teammates that like eachother groove like no other and WIN GAMES!!!!! Oh then we hire a pos dude that rap#@ women as the LEADER!!!! The face of the team,he is a human kids are supposed to look up to lol. Until we can groove together we loose peroid.
Maybe an unpopular opinion but I think the team played harder and better under Gregg Williams in 2018.. I think he should have been the hire. The dude seemed hard nose Kevin seems like a push over and I feel like that’s why our team is so undisciplined!!!
Can everyone agree to just stop talking about Baker, he isn't a Brown anymore. Also his run game was ranked dead last in 2023, it certainly isn't "good" and his oline is statistically worse than the Browns. The front office fucked up, lets stop coping and just move on. I don't want to hear any what-ifs unless its about Winston.
Baker Mayfield is killing it out there in Tampa. Just sayin!😂
Get a life troll
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@@eyeswideopen8425 "Just sayin'" 😅🤣😂😝
Me too I just want competitive football team that wins.
This guy coping about Mayfield being absolutely perfect yesterday and the Clowns losing to a Crosby-less Raiders 😂😂😂
Not a cope whatsoever, the only coping is done by the same Browns fans who were screaming to get rid of Baker and are now crying for him to come back
Change can be good
Amen on the D watson take
And this is the 'easy' part of the schedule. 2 weeks in a row the 2 worst rushing teams in the NFL gashed them 2 weeks in a row. They missed tackle after missed tackle. And the Browns lead the NFL in penalties and dropped passes. They are out coached every week are glacially slow to make adjustments. And as far as the Watson haters...get a life. Go troll somewhere else we want to suffer in peace with our already disaster of a season.
Martin emmerson and dewand jones MUST go.. absolutely garbage!!!!
Blaming it on the fans lol. Not sure what’s worse this take or Stesuckski’s coaching. Dumpster fire again!
Didn’t blame it on fans lol
It starts from the top down.
Oh my god do not even with your nonsense about Mayfield! Baker is a leader first and foremost… Watson is a moral miscreant, and nobody on the team respects him. And you are 100% wrong about Baker and his supporting cast… Tampa has had a TERRIBLE run game and that’s been true for decades. They also have had lots of OL njuries so cut the crap and excuses. In spite pressure what Baker does is make plays something massage boy rarely does
I know this is a redial concept, so stick with me…
How about we blame the players.
If this was tennis we could do that. There are levels to football especially in the NFL.
Stefanski cannot adjust to defensive counters.
What QB is good under this type of pressure? Thats a ridiculous take! Im no fan of Watson, but he did everything he needed to do to het us a W! Coop is a bum and needs to go! Hes made two great catches this yr and dropped everything else! Looks awful! That drop was disgusting and it gifted an int! That BS holding penalty was a joke! Even the announcers said it was awful! Hopkins misses a damn XP! We invent ways to blow a game and im just done woth this team. The ownership and front office r the worst in sports! Lets go Commanders!
Where is Cedrick Tillman
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Joey Joey Joey! Usually were on the same page! Ur take on Baker vs Watson was awful! Any QB under that type of pressure isnt gonna be good! To make it seem like Baker is somehow worse under pressure than anyone else is a bad take! Watson got sacked 62 times in Hou and put up over 4k yds in 2018! His line was awful in Houston his whole time there! He never had a running game or wrs besides Hopkins! So whats the difference! Watson wasnt bad today. It was his best game this season,but thats not saying much. He was like 12-13 or something like that for less than 100yds. All short passes! Its mych deeper than just the QB, but he doesnt elevate us at all! Did u ever think theyre outta synch because of all the off the field BS associated with Watson? Can u imagine having a QB accused of something like that and not being sure if hes guilty or not? Having a wife and daughter and not knowing if ur QB is a serial pervert! Imagine what they have to hear on the road from opposing fans! Every other QB has had success under Kevin so what is the deciding factor in the reason the offense isnt doing anything?
4k yards but a 4-12 record. His best statistical season was because of garbage time throws to DHop. You guys simply hyped yourselves up. Nobody in their right mind, had Cleveland winning more than 5 games.
@@URRidikalus WTF ru talking about. Don't say u guys! I knew we we're screwed the second we traded for this bum! I was just making the point that these Watson fanboys keep blaming the line and everyone else for how bad he's been. I just pointed out the fact that he's played behind much worse and produced way better numbers! We won't win more than 5-6 games this yr. Nobody wants to play with this guy and it shows!
@@URRidikalus You don't know football. DHop wasn't on that team. He had gotten traded to the Cardinal. Like I have always said, the majority of you haters don't know anything about football.
Dummy DHOP didn't play on Houston in 2020@@URRidikalus
You said all of that just to say he's a pervert 🤦🏿♂️. I don't know why yall try to act like yall know football. Yall only care about the names on the back of the jerseys. In Houston Watson had way better receivers that's why he was successful.
Bet your house on us getting smoked by skins
I dont trust comments or critique from people who never played not coached the game at a high level. And even QB's like Kurt Warner and Tony Romo give bizarre and outlandish takes on modern QB play. Aikman, Brady, the Manning's, and even Cam Newton give fair QB criticism. This season alone QB play has been bad, due to poor Offensive Line and WR production! Not one of the Top QB'S have consistently looked great! When a QB is running for his life and receivers drop balls, they struggle!!!!! No QB has been affected by this more than Deshaun Watson!!! Not Mahomes, Allen, Burrows, Hurts, Prescott, Rodgers, Stafford, Stroud, Love, etc. And all of them have struggled this season! Y'all must not play "Fantasy Football" or "Gamble", because if you did you would know how bad QB play has been! And the Browns Defense has been "Average"! No pressure from the Dline, aside from M. Garrett, and very few turnovers! They haven't been "Bad", but haven't looked fast, nor aggressive! Watson is a "Top Tier" QB (Still), and it would be Damning on Stephansky for him to go elsewhere and thrive! The Browns (Hypochondriac) Media and "Jabroni" Fanbase have been a major issue in the whole "Watson Tenure"!
Remember when Mahomes had the most drops out of any qb in a season and he won a Super Bowl.
@@frontierlandfrank5314 yep, players got the point and started making plays. And don't act like the defense didn't play exceptional, and Kelce, Rice, and Pacheco stepped up big! Even Toney made plays for them! Y'all act like Mahomes passes, catches, rushes by himself! He must also kick field goals and run kick returns too! It's a "Team Sport"!
@@gregorywesley7456 because he’s an exceptional player. Mahomes will ALWAYS make his team better. Deshaun is not that guy.
@@frontierlandfrank5314 true, but check out Mahomes and the Chiefs this season. They're struggling to win games (even though they are 4-0). Their Offense is aided by bad calls from refs and questionable tackling efforts by opposing defense! Mahomes runs around looking for target's just like Watson. Difference is....his WR's catches the balls, but Watson's drop his! Kelce struggling, Pacheco and now Rice is out, but Worthy is getting open and making catches! Where's Watson's help? No Chubb, no Njoku, no Wills, no Conklin, Cooper and D. Jones struggling! It's not a fair evaluation of Watson, who "IS" coming off of major season ending surgery on his throwing shoulder!
Are you guys missing Flacco yet? How about that, Mayfield........
No. Mayfield is mid at best. Thank God he's gone.
@scottgrdina5599 seems to be doing better than Watson... has Tampa Bay at 3-1 and threw for another 300 yards.... with the money saved keeping a Flacco or a Mayfield, would have done wonders for other positions and some depth.... Baker may have mid.... but Watson is bottom shelf.
Watson is far superior to Baker. Anyone that understands football knows that. Baker is mid and Deshaun is just better. That's why they got the contracts they did.
Weird how guys from different fan bases come onto other teams videos to post. Get a job and a life lol
@@cattywampusmcdooglemayfield is, and always was too inconsistent. He was really never that good in a browns uniform. Say what you think about Watsons play, but the offense has failed him. Not the other way around.
I like this host, he tells the truth