Only way LAT fail is if envoy/ghosty are treated as lesser players. A big threat to that team is immaturity, if things go wrong and hydra/scrap try to excuse themselves from blame because they have numbers, it won't work out
I think the only one who really is gonna hold the team back in Envoy. Envoy had a mid season in MW3 but the balancing and maps were all bad which may explain why he flopped a lot. If Ghosty becomes the main AR while Scrap did exactly what he did on ultra then it will be fine.
@@Bonkbork overly harsh on envoy, we forget that hicksy in the same role with the same supporting players and had similar k/d problems. I think that was a systematic issue with ultras composition. Scrap is the fastest player in the league at his role, cleanX is also one of the fastest at his role, and insight is top 2 slowest at his role. This put envoy/hicksy in a rough place, does he play fast and sell out his main AR, or does he play slow and balance the map. Envoy didn't play perfectly last season by any means, but I think being a routeman smg on a team with gigantic pace discrepancies was the root of alot of envoy's problems. I think when push comes to shove everyone will blame envoy and find the next best slayer to suggest they pickup over him, but this team isn't going to lack slaying, their biggest hole for me is maturity
yea but hes still a quality player at least and for now, is an upgrade from Kismet. on paper, ud hope that he can be a more versatile 2nd SMG for Hydra since i believe with the amount of talent on this team, their individual playstyles will have to be simplified (Case in point, Optic's players Pred and Dashy mainly had to play much more fundamentally sound for the betterment of their teams. Pred was mainly used as pure slayer as opposed to the do-it-all nature of his Surge days. {still main slayer on Surge tho})
He's a player that plays around his players. I agree that he's not standout nor. would he ever make a team but still a great acquisition to boost the best up. I am pretty sure that's what they wanted. Which is also why you don't judge him by his numbers.
I think ReeaL and CleanX would be a much scarier sub duo than Joe and CleanX! Would’ve liked to see ReeaL on a little better of a team too, just to see if he can still be a real slate like he was last season
The whole frosty take on using the flank to get in the league is real.. challengers results should matter, but when Alec got picked up after winning challengers champs, every “analyst/competitive creator” clowned on the pickup and got him dropped before he even played a game. So of course public perception matters.
Hell yeah !! If everyone on the flank is sucking a player in challengers for how they’ve been playing they’ll get picked up every time when a league player gets dropped.. especially if it’s one of the main pro players in the scene getting in cause they’re friends.. it’s why they call it a friendship league.😂😂
You’re conveniently forgetting that Arcitys has costed his team for the past 3 seasons in a row. He was getting trickshotted for a living in VG, didn’t even try in MW2 and in MW3 he had Abuzah, a ROTY candidate with an AR, run a sub just for Arcitys to drop a .9. Arcitys has had two chances post-FaZe to show how good he is, he doesn’t deserve a third.
@@Aethon_4 Alec is a 2x world champion, won challengers champs last year. Yeah he’s had a few subpar seasons over the last few years, but to treat him like he was being treated when they announced it was the reason he got dropped. How is PaulEhx any better? Mack is another one. Got SLAMMED all year the last season he played, took a year off, fair enough for personal matters. But then, instantly gets a spot because every big content creator in the scene all “rate” him, gas him up, etc. in my opinion, he doesn’t deserve a spot at all.
@@JordanOsmond16 his last few seasons haven’t been subpar, they’ve been horrid. Arcitys has been costing for the past 3 years, it’s understandable that people didn’t like the AR duo of both Arcitys and PaulEhx. And to your second point, I don’t like that Mack is on C9, him and Kremp are both inconsistent players. Although at least with Mack he shouldn’t revert to his Seattle Surge OBJ enabler playstyle as Kremp isn’t Pred, so Mack can play more freely and Kremp will share the OBJ load with Mack.
not seeing mohawk in the league after going back to back challengers champs even beating scrap in VG finals, arguably scraps best game. Mohawk over PAULEX 120 PERCENT
Ready to rock with with Heretics again this year ! #Vamos Ranked play is the only thing i play so the sooner it comes out the better. Honestly, ranked should come out at launch with no restrictions for the first season
yeah i can see that entire team buttheads tbh. envoy has clashed with previous teammates. so has scrap and so has ghosty. hydra was clashing with kis this year
If envoy is slaying on this team, there’s a problem. He’s going to be a hill kitten, as he should when they have the 2 best players in the game at running around and slaying.
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You guys were calling Heretics the worst team last year and they weren’t in fact and of course, this year they look they gonna get same appreciation 🤦🏻♂️
I will be curious to read through the white paper, but I'll never truly be happy until my own personal SR gain is directly correlated to my own personal contributions and performance throughout the match. I mainly just solo que.
Just a thought. Why can't the CDL do as the Premier League does? Say the top 3 teams in challengers makes the League. Bottom 3 in the CDL gets relegated.
Just my opinion but does ranked play really matter since there are so many cheaters out there and nothing being done to stop it? It's been obvious for a while and no consequences for cheating. So it's no fun anymore anyway.
We need a 16 team league. I know it’s hard right now cuz you need more orgs that want to be fully involved and put the time and money into making a decent team. Even with 12 teams we’ve had orgs and teams just phone it in, 16 teams would be preferable.
The league is screwed up to be honest. Mack takes a year off, illey was getting dropped and disappearing, yet they were and still at least Mack got picked up. Temp is grinding, as of other names with years in challengers, and they dont get looked at. This league is far from MLG, bring back open brackets.
The biggest threat for the Thieves season is how Ghosty and Scrap get along, if there are a couple of bad results how do they handle it behind the scenes. If I was Nadeshot I would make sure that Scrap and Ghosty became best friends, at the sight of any drama get the peace bong out and sort things immediately.
Hydra Envoy Scrap Ghosty 😂😂😂 I get it yeah someone may have bad days and may beat others, but on any given day, if each team plays to their potential, LAT are smoking everybody 😂😂😂
What’s your obsession with acting like Shotzzy and pred weren’t dominate 🤣 each dropped a 1.2 at champs (top 2 KDs at the tournament) and you never mention it. Sure they have a bad major mainly because they lost some SnDs relax lol
@@welchbrady7537 it’s jealousy bro ….. sad and pathetic jealousy…. Optic slammed Ny all year , Optic slammed ultra all year , they beat them after placing Last in major 4 ??? And it was not even close, lol Kids want what they have but tragically will never have
I heard from a VERY reputable source (trust me bro) that the last time Donnie Temp was considered for a league spot, a GM said, and I quote ''Temp is a better rapper than he is a cod player, and his music is shit''
If anybody is mid it’s shotzzy’s overrated 6 tournament wins in like 8 years having ass. Yet you optic fans oh no he does so much for the team blah blah he really is a god yeah keep him.
@@unknownslayer7128 he is a two time champion in cod and one was online and again 6 tournaments. You are like Lebron fans all you care about is the shit nobody cares about.
@@unknownslayer7128 winning championships bro he has won like twice in 4 years lmao. He hasn’t won really that much of anything compared to how long he has been around. Keep glazing him kid. I also damn sure know you ain’t talking about lebron winning either with his 4 in 37 years lmao shut the hell up.
@@nickxo8623 Dashy was more successful in his role than cellium and left a greater impact than cell last year. Also dashy was clearly better than abezy last year. Its ok for players to be better than you favorite player for instance mw2 abezy was clearly better than dashy.
They are tipped to be top 3 and win atleast 1 event. I don't think that's considered overhyped. They have the best AR in the game and arguably the best SMG, with one of the best comms guys in ghosty right now. Envoy is the question mark, if he's better than last year, they will be scary, if he plays like last season, they now have Hydra to make up for that. No one is saying they are going to be a dynasty, they are just saying they are a top 3 team and are going to be a constant on Sundays
If you’re thinking they won’t lose yeah, but nobody is saying that lol top 3, win a major or two , and always a shot to win an event , is not over hyped .
@@mattfreeman2082a key factor I think you’re missing is that when Ghosty was in that role of being a walking uav and filling the gaps for optic he dropped a .8. Envoy played bad last year because he was forced into an objective role to support the better players around him. If anything, that will just get worse this year when he has 2 guys that are allergic to the hill. I’m not saying they’ll be bad, but if scrap and hydra both don’t modify their play style, it’s unreasonable to expect good years in the kd department from ghosty and envoy. I don’t think they’ll do well against the other top teams in HP because of that, but this team will be an absolute monster in snd and control.
Only way LAT fail is if envoy/ghosty are treated as lesser players. A big threat to that team is immaturity, if things go wrong and hydra/scrap try to excuse themselves from blame because they have numbers, it won't work out
and if ghosty cant get the weed he likes in dallas lol😊
@@magnumdongsen2141weed has nothing todo with it clown 🤣🤣
@@TwhistyyHDreally because it was a pretty noticeable dropoff of saudi "clown"
I think the only one who really is gonna hold the team back in Envoy. Envoy had a mid season in MW3 but the balancing and maps were all bad which may explain why he flopped a lot. If Ghosty becomes the main AR while Scrap did exactly what he did on ultra then it will be fine.
@@Bonkbork overly harsh on envoy, we forget that hicksy in the same role with the same supporting players and had similar k/d problems. I think that was a systematic issue with ultras composition. Scrap is the fastest player in the league at his role, cleanX is also one of the fastest at his role, and insight is top 2 slowest at his role. This put envoy/hicksy in a rough place, does he play fast and sell out his main AR, or does he play slow and balance the map. Envoy didn't play perfectly last season by any means, but I think being a routeman smg on a team with gigantic pace discrepancies was the root of alot of envoy's problems. I think when push comes to shove everyone will blame envoy and find the next best slayer to suggest they pickup over him, but this team isn't going to lack slaying, their biggest hole for me is maturity
Envoy is clearly the worst (and its not even close) SMG on one of the top 3 teams
100%
yea but hes still a quality player at least and for now, is an upgrade from Kismet. on paper, ud hope that he can be a more versatile 2nd SMG for Hydra since i believe with the amount of talent on this team, their individual playstyles will have to be simplified (Case in point, Optic's players Pred and Dashy mainly had to play much more fundamentally sound for the betterment of their teams. Pred was mainly used as pure slayer as opposed to the do-it-all nature of his Surge days. {still main slayer on Surge tho})
He's a player that plays around his players. I agree that he's not standout nor. would he ever make a team but still a great acquisition to boost the best up. I am pretty sure that's what they wanted. Which is also why you don't judge him by his numbers.
and optic doesnt have the best smg in the top 3🎉
Ghosty is the worst AR on the top 3 as well. God help thieves if it becomes a 3 sub game
I think ReeaL and CleanX would be a much scarier sub duo than Joe and CleanX! Would’ve liked to see ReeaL on a little better of a team too, just to see if he can still be a real slate like he was last season
Optic stay putting a plate on for Rab 😂😂
The whole frosty take on using the flank to get in the league is real.. challengers results should matter, but when Alec got picked up after winning challengers champs, every “analyst/competitive creator” clowned on the pickup and got him dropped before he even played a game.
So of course public perception matters.
Hell yeah !! If everyone on the flank is sucking a player in challengers for how they’ve been playing they’ll get picked up every time when a league player gets dropped.. especially if it’s one of the main pro players in the scene getting in cause they’re friends.. it’s why they call it a friendship league.😂😂
You’re conveniently forgetting that Arcitys has costed his team for the past 3 seasons in a row. He was getting trickshotted for a living in VG, didn’t even try in MW2 and in MW3 he had Abuzah, a ROTY candidate with an AR, run a sub just for Arcitys to drop a .9. Arcitys has had two chances post-FaZe to show how good he is, he doesn’t deserve a third.
@@Aethon_4 Alec is a 2x world champion, won challengers champs last year. Yeah he’s had a few subpar seasons over the last few years, but to treat him like he was being treated when they announced it was the reason he got dropped. How is PaulEhx any better?
Mack is another one. Got SLAMMED all year the last season he played, took a year off, fair enough for personal matters. But then, instantly gets a spot because every big content creator in the scene all “rate” him, gas him up, etc. in my opinion, he doesn’t deserve a spot at all.
@@JordanOsmond16i was shocked when mack got a spot. Everyone trashed on him in mw2
@@JordanOsmond16 his last few seasons haven’t been subpar, they’ve been horrid. Arcitys has been costing for the past 3 years, it’s understandable that people didn’t like the AR duo of both Arcitys and PaulEhx. And to your second point, I don’t like that Mack is on C9, him and Kremp are both inconsistent players. Although at least with Mack he shouldn’t revert to his Seattle Surge OBJ enabler playstyle as Kremp isn’t Pred, so Mack can play more freely and Kremp will share the OBJ load with Mack.
My only thing about the smg duo is envoys inconsistent maybe it was just on Toronto but hopefully he has a very up season on this team
not seeing mohawk in the league after going back to back challengers champs even beating scrap in VG finals, arguably scraps best game. Mohawk over PAULEX 120 PERCENT
I’m still blown away that they don’t have ranked play at launch
Ready to rock with with Heretics again this year ! #Vamos
Ranked play is the only thing i play so the sooner it comes out the better. Honestly, ranked should come out at launch with no restrictions for the first season
Optic are getting cocky just because they won champs last year. Scrap and ghostly gonna be trahs talk every time they beat optic
Heretics - "We're trash AND petty"
Ranked play comes out earlier, the cheaters get to play it early too... *Sigh*
They really gotta add a anti-cheat that actually works..
Better play early. Number of hackers increases as a game gets older.
It does
Ghosty and scrap are going to but heads i feel, but have so much potential together
yeah i can see that entire team buttheads tbh. envoy has clashed with previous teammates. so has scrap and so has ghosty. hydra was clashing with kis this year
Envoy definitely was mid last year as far as slaying so he’ll need to get tht shit up
If envoy is slaying on this team, there’s a problem. He’s going to be a hill kitten, as he should when they have the 2 best players in the game at running around and slaying.
Let me find out you said “ we don’t have questions about Scrap and Ghosty” as if Paco and Envoy are the weak links of the team 😂
They’re the weakest sub DUOs because envoy is BY FAR the weakest sub in the top 3 teams. Shottzy pred, Simp Abezy are better than hydra envoy
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Where is the form to sign up and play test? I have played the last few seasons and would love to help!
Excited for fantasy league this year!!!
The CDL FPL will be fuckin sick
Hydra alone is a beast lol
You guys were calling Heretics the worst team last year and they weren’t in fact and of course, this year they look they gonna get same appreciation 🤦🏻♂️
They got smacked by a challengers team
@@remyrotten an they also won Optic 3-0
@@ToxiicPlaysUC yes they won against optic after losing to them 3 times prior 😭
I will be curious to read through the white paper, but I'll never truly be happy until my own personal SR gain is directly correlated to my own personal contributions and performance throughout the match. I mainly just solo que.
Play cod mobile. Personal performance counts. Heck when you lose and play well you gain a small amount of SR actually
BP Fantasy is gonna be cool, gonna try to start (and win) a league in my discord
Is just me or for some days now Rab's videos been lengthy?
Lets see how many games optic lose vs faze and Lat my guess most of them
Depends how bo6 plays and thats for alot of the teams but if this thieves team played mw3 they would have won some events
I’m down to test out the breaking point fantasy league
Envoy not that guy anymore
hes going to be dead weight, they're not a super team beacuse of him and dan.
Just a thought. Why can't the CDL do as the Premier League does? Say the top 3 teams in challengers makes the League. Bottom 3 in the CDL gets relegated.
That takes so much more than what we have available. We are very obviously not capable of running that league format.
Just my opinion but does ranked play really matter since there are so many cheaters out there and nothing being done to stop it? It's been obvious for a while and no consequences for cheating. So it's no fun anymore anyway.
Hell yeah i some ppl don't wanna play pubs all day and want to be in a comp environment. Not like you get cheaters every game
@@itsnotjayboi Diamond up is full of cheaters, the only way to "have fun" in ranked is to forcefully stay in low ranks
We need a 16 team league. I know it’s hard right now cuz you need more orgs that want to be fully involved and put the time and money into making a decent team. Even with 12 teams we’ve had orgs and teams just phone it in, 16 teams would be preferable.
Hydra is so much better then shottzy and pred 😂😂😂
Shotzzy on 7-7 sens this year yall fucked
@@JustinSomai hydra is so clear dude
Never beaten on them on lan this year🤷🏻♂️
pred maybe, not shotzzy.
@@Spliffious_Maximus yes he is
The league is screwed up to be honest. Mack takes a year off, illey was getting dropped and disappearing, yet they were and still at least Mack got picked up. Temp is grinding, as of other names with years in challengers, and they dont get looked at. This league is far from MLG, bring back open brackets.
Get glofrosty in the league he deserves it
Supa team
6 Staaaaaah
Complaining about 2 region locked teams when the majority of plays are from the us lmao
The biggest threat for the Thieves season is how Ghosty and Scrap get along, if there are a couple of bad results how do they handle it behind the scenes. If I was Nadeshot I would make sure that Scrap and Ghosty became best friends, at the sight of any drama get the peace bong out and sort things immediately.
Envoy is defo mid lol but Hydra is easily top 1-2 Sub soooooo
Hydra Envoy Scrap Ghosty 😂😂😂 I get it yeah someone may have bad days and may beat others, but on any given day, if each team plays to their potential, LAT are smoking everybody 😂😂😂
Shotzzy and draz lost the 2v2, should not be underestimating
Help i have Arcibetes
"Not as good as people expect" Funny that's how i felt watching this optic team
Oh the team that beat Hydra twice to win Champs? As well has smoke Envoy in Major 3 grand finals.
Need that green wall to win got smoked by faze at esports
Like didn’t even put up a fight got dog walked
@@MemeYorkTimes Yee the team that placed 12th major 4 (DEAD LAST)
@@MemeYorkTimes Forgot to add kismet and skyz lol you know the players that are no longer on a t4 team
What’s your obsession with acting like Shotzzy and pred weren’t dominate 🤣 each dropped a 1.2 at champs (top 2 KDs at the tournament) and you never mention it. Sure they have a bad major mainly because they lost some SnDs relax lol
Home crowd cheese they were ass the event before
@@welchbrady7537 it’s jealousy bro ….. sad and pathetic jealousy…. Optic slammed Ny all year , Optic slammed ultra all year , they beat them after placing Last in major 4 ??? And it was not even close, lol Kids want what they have but tragically will never have
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I heard from a VERY reputable source (trust me bro) that the last time Donnie Temp was considered for a league spot, a GM said, and I quote ''Temp is a better rapper than he is a cod player, and his music is shit''
loooool
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If anybody is mid it’s shotzzy’s overrated 6 tournament wins in like 8 years having ass. Yet you optic fans oh no he does so much for the team blah blah he really is a god yeah keep him.
Your delusional hate is pathetic…. But I’m sure the 3 time world champion cares about your opinion lmao 😂
@@unknownslayer7128 he is a two time champion in cod and one was online and again 6 tournaments. You are like Lebron fans all you care about is the shit nobody cares about.
Hes definitely overrated and inconsistent but hes better than most smgs
@@mortalshateme3263 wait … your statement is no one cares about winning championships???!!…. Lmao All that hate and jealousy is frying your brain kid…
@@unknownslayer7128 winning championships bro he has won like twice in 4 years lmao. He hasn’t won really that much of anything compared to how long he has been around. Keep glazing him kid. I also damn sure know you ain’t talking about lebron winning either with his 4 in 37 years lmao shut the hell up.
Imagine calling hydra and envoy mid
I love trash talk
They are mid 😂😂
@@9BallBorybroooo
Lmfao imagine not understanding sarcasm. Dense surface level lookin ahhh
I mean they beat both on lan all year but obviously shottzy is trolling
1.hydra
2.scrap
3.simp
4.shotzzy
5.dashy
6.drazah
7.cel
8.abezy
9.pred
10.kenny
11.ghosty
12.envoy
@@ds6779 whatever you are smoking to have dashy above cell and Abezy must be some top tier gas
@@nickxo8623 dashy obj player of the year last year, Abe was underwhelming and cel in talks to get dropped. Low iq faze fan
@@nickxo8623 tell me whatever your smoking lmao, thinking celliuma and abezy above Dashy!!
@@nickxo8623 Dashy was more successful in his role than cellium and left a greater impact than cell last year. Also dashy was clearly better than abezy last year. Its ok for players to be better than you favorite player for instance mw2 abezy was clearly better than dashy.
1. Scrap
2. Simp
3.Hydra
4. Shottzy
5. Cell
6. Dashy
7. Pred
8. Abezy
9. Drazah
10. Kenny
11. Ghosty
12. Envoy
Tac love him some hydra…. Meat ridin
Giving the current best player in the world his flowers is hardly meat riding 😂 just calling a spade a spade
@@jedimastu Your just another KD watcher lmao, Keep sucking Hydra Meat. nothing gonna change
@@jedimastu another meat rider detected
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All these shit talking Envoy comments sure wont age well lol. How quickly do people forget…
ok
You don't need a main. 2x flex and 2 smg. FaZe 2025 champs if both cell+draz run FLEX
LAT is definitely over hyped.
They are tipped to be top 3 and win atleast 1 event. I don't think that's considered overhyped. They have the best AR in the game and arguably the best SMG, with one of the best comms guys in ghosty right now. Envoy is the question mark, if he's better than last year, they will be scary, if he plays like last season, they now have Hydra to make up for that. No one is saying they are going to be a dynasty, they are just saying they are a top 3 team and are going to be a constant on Sundays
If you’re thinking they won’t lose yeah, but nobody is saying that lol top 3, win a major or two , and always a shot to win an event , is not over hyped .
They're obviously just fucking around
@@mattfreeman2082a key factor I think you’re missing is that when Ghosty was in that role of being a walking uav and filling the gaps for optic he dropped a .8. Envoy played bad last year because he was forced into an objective role to support the better players around him. If anything, that will just get worse this year when he has 2 guys that are allergic to the hill. I’m not saying they’ll be bad, but if scrap and hydra both don’t modify their play style, it’s unreasonable to expect good years in the kd department from ghosty and envoy. I don’t think they’ll do well against the other top teams in HP because of that, but this team will be an absolute monster in snd and control.
HyDra Scrap hypeee🩸
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