Thanks for uploading this great video. Too bad the color crapped out 8 minutes in. Does anyone know the name of the video or have this in better quality?
@@TopLob hi yes will provide links l could send pics front and back of video if you wish l also have a different more in depth nakamura dvd however it's all in Japanese hope this helps
What makes technique good or bad? Is it ineffective? When he cuts the mats, are they not straight? I mean, from a ZNKR iaido standpoint, it's not "pretty," but that says more about the current fashion than his skill.
@@froobly Hi Froobly, thank you for replying to my comment. This message will be long but that is because I want to respect you and give you a detailed reply (as well as not wanting you to think that I'm dodging any part of your reply). First, I have to admit that my post wasn't that much of a critique. It was a bit short and probably not really helpful to anyone other than a "warning" against someone who might try to copy the technique. Second, I don't remember the mindset that I was in when I made that post 8 months ago. That being said, let me reply to you. I'll put what you wrote in quotes so you know what I'm referring to. "What makes technique good or bad?" This is a good philosophical question. I would say that "good" or "bad" is a completely relative thing. Someone who is a "good" basketball player for a twelve-year-old might be the best in his class of 50 kids his age. However, that same twelve-year-old might be considered "bad" compared to anyone playing on a high school, college, or professional level. So good or bad is all relative...to a certain point. So, what is my relative opinion on the video? Well you know that. In confession I'm not a master with a sword, heck I'm not even a shodan. That being said, if someone from my sword school did movement like in the video above, then they would get yelled at or probably smacked (or both). "Is it ineffective? When he cuts the mats, are they not straight?" I think this is an excellent point. What is the goal? If his goal is to get the metal through the matt then he (they) accomplished their goal. In my mind, when I watch tameshegiri I see it as a modern (more humane) form of showing one's skill. Swordsman ship is designed to cut human beings. The original tameshigiri was done on corpses or prisoners. So, I would expect the technique to work on a human and not "just" a mat. It is hard to tell how dry/wet or otherwise the quality of the mats other than, they look like there is no bamboo or anything substantial in the core. They mostly look like one matt rolled up which would probably the the equivelant to cutting through someone's wrist. Forearm would probably be similar to cutting through a matt with bamboo in the center (simulates cutting through bone as well). So, the sword went through. Why would I then think it bad technique? You can look at the tatame after it was cut and see scoops. Changing the angle of a blade when going through a human body can get it stuck. Even with a very sharp sword. "I mean, from a ZNKR iaido standpoint, it's not "pretty", but that says more about the current fashion than his skill." There are definite fashion/school like nuances. Some are in technique and some are ornamentation. As long as someone is cutting with the sword on plane and with speed (the two things required to cut well with a katana) - then one could argue about the other "details". Two things come to mind when watching them cut. 1. They walk up to the target and stop, then cut. Imagine walking up to an enemy (getting in range) THEN cutting. Well, you would be dead. That being said, I did like the "whip-action" he got on one cut when he stepped back as he cut. 2. When they cut, their stances are so bad (as well as their cuts) that they are jerking themselves forward. You can see their heads (along with the rest of them) jerk forward at the end of each cut. Imagine they are fighting someone and they miss the cut or have their weapon deflected. Now they are leaning forward (and catching themselves in doing so) and vulnerable to a counter-attack. Also, when watching them cut in the air, it doesn't look like they are keeping their swords on plane. In addition, the guy is watching his sword as it moves. This is no good. Anyways, some some food for thought. You seem to enjoy kenjutsu like me. I wish you well!
@@aren8798 you're right that there are a number of things Nakamura sensei does in this video that you're just not supposed to do in kendo and iaido. He shambles out onto the field, bobbing his head on every step. He lifts his feet going backwards, showing you his soles on every step. He seemingly jerks the sword out of the saya. And yet, when he cuts, he cuts straight, and he makes it look easy. In kata, notice that his sword never bounces at the end of the cut. It comes down to why we do things the way we do them. In kendo and iaido, we put a high value on grace and smoothness. Nakamura ryu has... different priorities. I haven't studied it myself, so take this with a grain of salt, but it's as if to say, "this is war, not tea ceremony."
@@froobly I think Aren was just playing snob. There's a vid on his channel of a guy swinging his ninjato shirasaya in reverse grip like he's demonstrating a kata to a crowd. To understand better about Nakamura, I would recommend the book "The Spirit of the Sword". Nakamura is very clear what he thinks of modern iaido.
This is real treasure, thank you for sharing!
COINTELPRO Report Apr27 稽古後、刀袋の紐房の糸が5本引き抜かれる損壊被害あり。着替える際、ズボンのポケットに入れていた自転車の鍵を出しておき畳んだズボンを広げると床にポトリと落ちる被害あり。
同被害は令和4年4月に稽古中に着替後のズボンのポケットから家の鍵が盗まれた翌週の稽古時にもあり、当被害者が稽古後、再び着替える際、Ｔ先生がずっと当方を見ていて自転車の鍵が床に墜ちる瞬間に合わせ近づいてきて無言で目を合わせた。これは「先週ズボンのポケットから家の鍵がなくなったのも、同じように自分が落としたのだ」と思わせる工作と考えられる。
家の鍵を盗まれた直後、自宅から刀剣登録証が盗まれる被害があり、翌週の稽古でＫ会員はなぜか盗まれた登録証が「山形県の登録」であることまで知っていた。
Thanks for uploading this great video. Too bad the color crapped out 8 minutes in. Does anyone know the name of the video or have this in better quality?
Yes I have the original video
@@jonathanbarton1062 Any chance you could upload it, provide a link, or the name of the video?
@@TopLob hi yes will provide links l could send pics front and back of video if you wish l also have a different more in depth nakamura dvd however it's all in Japanese hope this helps
Is this Toyama Ryu Nakamura Ha Iaido?
Yes. This video showcases the entirety of Nakamura's own branch of Toyama-ryu.
Old video it is, good technique it is not.
What makes technique good or bad? Is it ineffective? When he cuts the mats, are they not straight? I mean, from a ZNKR iaido standpoint, it's not "pretty," but that says more about the current fashion than his skill.
@@froobly Hi Froobly, thank you for replying to my comment. This message will be long but that is because I want to respect you and give you a detailed reply (as well as not wanting you to think that I'm dodging any part of your reply).
First, I have to admit that my post wasn't that much of a critique. It was a bit short and probably not really helpful to anyone other than a "warning" against someone who might try to copy the technique. Second, I don't remember the mindset that I was in when I made that post 8 months ago. That being said, let me reply to you. I'll put what you wrote in quotes so you know what I'm referring to.
"What makes technique good or bad?" This is a good philosophical question. I would say that "good" or "bad" is a completely relative thing. Someone who is a "good" basketball player for a twelve-year-old might be the best in his class of 50 kids his age. However, that same twelve-year-old might be considered "bad" compared to anyone playing on a high school, college, or professional level. So good or bad is all relative...to a certain point.
So, what is my relative opinion on the video? Well you know that. In confession I'm not a master with a sword, heck I'm not even a shodan. That being said, if someone from my sword school did movement like in the video above, then they would get yelled at or probably smacked (or both).
"Is it ineffective? When he cuts the mats, are they not straight?" I think this is an excellent point. What is the goal? If his goal is to get the metal through the matt then he (they) accomplished their goal. In my mind, when I watch tameshegiri I see it as a modern (more humane) form of showing one's skill. Swordsman ship is designed to cut human beings. The original tameshigiri was done on corpses or prisoners. So, I would expect the technique to work on a human and not "just" a mat. It is hard to tell how dry/wet or otherwise the quality of the mats other than, they look like there is no bamboo or anything substantial in the core. They mostly look like one matt rolled up which would probably the the equivelant to cutting through someone's wrist. Forearm would probably be similar to cutting through a matt with bamboo in the center (simulates cutting through bone as well). So, the sword went through. Why would I then think it bad technique? You can look at the tatame after it was cut and see scoops. Changing the angle of a blade when going through a human body can get it stuck. Even with a very sharp sword.
"I mean, from a ZNKR iaido standpoint, it's not "pretty", but that says more about the current fashion than his skill." There are definite fashion/school like nuances. Some are in technique and some are ornamentation. As long as someone is cutting with the sword on plane and with speed (the two things required to cut well with a katana) - then one could argue about the other "details". Two things come to mind when watching them cut. 1. They walk up to the target and stop, then cut. Imagine walking up to an enemy (getting in range) THEN cutting. Well, you would be dead. That being said, I did like the "whip-action" he got on one cut when he stepped back as he cut. 2. When they cut, their stances are so bad (as well as their cuts) that they are jerking themselves forward. You can see their heads (along with the rest of them) jerk forward at the end of each cut. Imagine they are fighting someone and they miss the cut or have their weapon deflected. Now they are leaning forward (and catching themselves in doing so) and vulnerable to a counter-attack. Also, when watching them cut in the air, it doesn't look like they are keeping their swords on plane. In addition, the guy is watching his sword as it moves. This is no good.
Anyways, some some food for thought. You seem to enjoy kenjutsu like me. I wish you well!
@@aren8798 you're right that there are a number of things Nakamura sensei does in this video that you're just not supposed to do in kendo and iaido. He shambles out onto the field, bobbing his head on every step. He lifts his feet going backwards, showing you his soles on every step. He seemingly jerks the sword out of the saya. And yet, when he cuts, he cuts straight, and he makes it look easy. In kata, notice that his sword never bounces at the end of the cut.
It comes down to why we do things the way we do them. In kendo and iaido, we put a high value on grace and smoothness. Nakamura ryu has... different priorities. I haven't studied it myself, so take this with a grain of salt, but it's as if to say, "this is war, not tea ceremony."
@@froobly I think Aren was just playing snob. There's a vid on his channel of a guy swinging his ninjato shirasaya in reverse grip like he's demonstrating a kata to a crowd.
To understand better about Nakamura, I would recommend the book "The Spirit of the Sword". Nakamura is very clear what he thinks of modern iaido.
@@KF1 he's smoother than me, so I'm not gonna judge