@@alittlerocmusic I do. Thanks for asking. I first used guitar pedals on my saxophone in the early 90’s; anything that my friends would loan me. I got out of them for a while but then returned to them in 2001. I started with a Boss VF-1. From there, I added and subtracted pedals. I got to a point where I could have played a kazoo through the board and it would have sounded the same 🤣 Besides the sonic texture, I also found that some of the pedals were playing me…like the AdrennaLinn for example; I was just playing whole notes and the pedal was doing everything else. What I appreciate about your setup is that none of the pedals get in your way; I hear you playing the lines you want to express and the pedals simply augment your tone. I stripped things down to a reverb and delay pedal. My rig now is a VocoLoco, Timeline delay, and SLO reverb. The Strymon Timeline has the options I want without getting in the way and the Walrus Audio SLO is so great but I feel like I use only a fraction of what it can do. My favorite feature on the SLO is the sustain button; I feel that it’s really expressive and allows for some creative textures.
Thomas, your pedal board is incredible I was so impressed when I saw it of FB. Then I lost it and spent 20 mins finding here. I am so impressed as to your complete knowledge of how to use sound effects Please contact me on FB. I need help in putting a board together. Thanks.
I'm thinking I may get a VE-20 fx pedal for the reverb,multiharmony etc. This doesnt' have the wah pedal feature. Would you think that a envelope filter coould be used for the wah pedal?
@@user-sh4tn7iv9f Thanks! If you find you don’t like the Qtron, check out the sea moon funk machine. The filter responds and sounds a little different. Both are great!
Could you make a demovideo how you are using zoia at the moment. Have you unlocked some new things after this video that work with sax and also found out what is not working?
After working with the ZOIA for a while, its become a great swiss army knife of a pedal. I usually run multiple pedals at once, and the ZOIA's versatility allows me to use it to cover any ground that I want to add to a sound. In that way, it's usually the last pedal I figure out how to incorporate into my sound. You can get away with the synth stuff using just the ZOIA, but its important that you're familiar with synthesis. The delays and reverbs are a little easier to get up and running if you're new to effects pedals.
Great video. I have the C4 pedal but it does not always seem to work with my effects loop. I have it going in and out of my effects loop with a looper bypass with a compressor after c4. I am ready to sell it because it is not working for me. Any tips to make c4 work? Thanks 😎🎷
@@alittlerocmusic I ended up selling the pedal because there was too much feedback. My new mic is a shure Beta 98H/C and it seems to work better but I still can’t quite get a good sound with pedals like Qtron and other synth pedals. Was considering the intramic but it is pricey and I’m not sure if it would be any better with my setup. Thanks for reply
The DI is XLR out, which is a balanced cable. You'll get signal loss if you use an unbalanced 1/4" cable over longer distances. Some mixers have buffered inputs, but I've chosen to this setup because it sends the strongest, cleanest signal to FOH no matter what their rig is.
@@alittlerocmusic gotcha. Thanks for the response. I'm thinking about building a similar pedal setup like this based on the Boss MS-3. The MS-3 has stereo outputs so I was thinking I could send the stereo outputs to foh. The ES-5 your using and the Radial Pro 48 have mono outputs. Do you miss being able to utilize any stereo effects in your setup? Also, the intramic sounds really good! I just learned about it a few days ago. In all the demos I heard of it there is a noticeable difference in quality compared to clip on mics. The main problem for me if I were to get one is that I don't see how it would be easy to quickly switch the intramic to different saxophones. I would want to use the mic with at least my tenor and soprano but probably alto as well on the same performance. Even if I bought 3 intramics(which would be very expensive), I can't think of a way to use all three of them with one pedalboard.
@@inie341 Unless its a very specific to your group, most places will not put your horn in stereo. MS-3 and ES-5 are different beasts, so it really depends on what your needs are. The intramic is great, best sounding saxophone mic I've used, on stage or in studio. Switching between horns is an issue. If you wanted to use 3 intramics with one pedalboard then you'd have to get a small mixer: 3 intramics into the mixer, mixer out to the pedalboard.
The latency is not a problem for me. The most important thing with the sonuus to me is that you avoid having it accidentally send MIDI by keeping the G2M from picking up sounds from outside your horn. That's part of the reason why I use the intramic and a gate.
The tracking on both is great. The eventide has a synth setting that works better for saxophone IMO. The most important element for tracking is the intramic.
Thank you for so much great information. Great playing and sonic textures. You’ve found a balance between the two and it’s nice to hear.
Thanks! I'm always experimenting with the balance between horn and effects. Do you use any effects?
@@alittlerocmusic I do. Thanks for asking. I first used guitar pedals on my saxophone in the early 90’s; anything that my friends would loan me. I got out of them for a while but then returned to them in 2001. I started with a Boss VF-1. From there, I added and subtracted pedals. I got to a point where I could have played a kazoo through the board and it would have sounded the same 🤣 Besides the sonic texture, I also found that some of the pedals were playing me…like the AdrennaLinn for example; I was just playing whole notes and the pedal was doing everything else. What I appreciate about your setup is that none of the pedals get in your way; I hear you playing the lines you want to express and the pedals simply augment your tone. I stripped things down to a reverb and delay pedal. My rig now is a VocoLoco, Timeline delay, and SLO reverb. The Strymon Timeline has the options I want without getting in the way and the Walrus Audio SLO is so great but I feel like I use only a fraction of what it can do. My favorite feature on the SLO is the sustain button; I feel that it’s really expressive and allows for some creative textures.
Thomas, your pedal board is incredible I was so impressed when I saw it of FB. Then I lost it and spent 20 mins finding here. I am so impressed as to your complete knowledge of how to use sound effects Please contact me on FB. I need help in putting a board together. Thanks.
I tried messaging you on FB
Has your board evolved since this video? Changed some pedals for others?
I'm thinking I may get a VE-20 fx pedal for the reverb,multiharmony etc. This doesnt' have the wah pedal feature. Would you think that a envelope filter coould be used for the wah pedal?
Hi brother i love you setup.
Do you still have same setup?!
Is there a big difference between the qtron and qtron plus with a the response dial? Thanks
My understanding is the only difference is that there's an effects loop on the Qtron+.
There shouldn't be a difference.
@@alittlerocmusic . Sweet setup you have together there. Thank for the info!
@@user-sh4tn7iv9f Thanks!
If you find you don’t like the Qtron, check out the sea moon funk machine. The filter responds and sounds a little different. Both are great!
@@alittlerocmusic Cool. Thanks T
Turns out, that the seamoon pedal is actually what Brecker used on the ‘Heavy metal bebop album
Amazing!
Could you make a demovideo how you are using zoia at the moment. Have you unlocked some new things after this video that work with sax and also found out what is not working?
After working with the ZOIA for a while, its become a great swiss army knife of a pedal. I usually run multiple pedals at once, and the ZOIA's versatility allows me to use it to cover any ground that I want to add to a sound. In that way, it's usually the last pedal I figure out how to incorporate into my sound. You can get away with the synth stuff using just the ZOIA, but its important that you're familiar with synthesis. The delays and reverbs are a little easier to get up and running if you're new to effects pedals.
Great video. I have the C4 pedal but it does not always seem to work with my effects loop. I have it going in and out of my effects loop with a looper bypass with a compressor after c4. I am ready to sell it because it is not working for me. Any tips to make c4 work? Thanks 😎🎷
Depends on what kind of microphone you're using. Did you wind up getting rid of the C4?
@@alittlerocmusic I ended up selling the pedal because there was too much feedback. My new mic is a shure Beta 98H/C and it seems to work better but I still can’t quite get a good sound with pedals like Qtron and other synth pedals. Was considering the intramic but it is pricey and I’m not sure if it would be any better with my setup. Thanks for reply
Why do you take the output to foh with the radial di instead using the outputs on the es-5?
The DI is XLR out, which is a balanced cable. You'll get signal loss if you use an unbalanced 1/4" cable over longer distances. Some mixers have buffered inputs, but I've chosen to this setup because it sends the strongest, cleanest signal to FOH no matter what their rig is.
@@alittlerocmusic gotcha. Thanks for the response. I'm thinking about building a similar pedal setup like this based on the Boss MS-3. The MS-3 has stereo outputs so I was thinking I could send the stereo outputs to foh. The ES-5 your using and the Radial Pro 48 have mono outputs. Do you miss being able to utilize any stereo effects in your setup?
Also, the intramic sounds really good! I just learned about it a few days ago. In all the demos I heard of it there is a noticeable difference in quality compared to clip on mics. The main problem for me if I were to get one is that I don't see how it would be easy to quickly switch the intramic to different saxophones. I would want to use the mic with at least my tenor and soprano but probably alto as well on the same performance. Even if I bought 3 intramics(which would be very expensive), I can't think of a way to use all three of them with one pedalboard.
@@inie341 Unless its a very specific to your group, most places will not put your horn in stereo. MS-3 and ES-5 are different beasts, so it really depends on what your needs are.
The intramic is great, best sounding saxophone mic I've used, on stage or in studio. Switching between horns is an issue. If you wanted to use 3 intramics with one pedalboard then you'd have to get a small mixer: 3 intramics into the mixer, mixer out to the pedalboard.
So what is the intra mic?? What does it look like?
Check it out here: ua-cam.com/video/S6d40wtyaDg/v-deo.html
How do you like sonuus' latency? Do you have to get used to it, or is it near Eventide's tracking?
The latency is not a problem for me. The most important thing with the sonuus to me is that you avoid having it accidentally send MIDI by keeping the G2M from picking up sounds from outside your horn. That's part of the reason why I use the intramic and a gate.
Which tracks faster, c4 or eventide? Thank you!
The tracking on both is great. The eventide has a synth setting that works better for saxophone IMO. The most important element for tracking is the intramic.
Hi, why using a noise gate in the first stage of your signal chain? The intramic is supposed to prevent any feeds from stage sound isn't?
It's a safety valve. The intramic is great at suppressing bleed, but I don't want to accidentally trigger anything by grabbing my neck to tune, etc.
Great board, and clever too!
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