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- Опубліковано 23 лип 2024
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0:00 Introduction
3:44 Teardown of the two stations
8:28 Firmware Versions and User Interface
11:14 Aluminium PCBs from JLCPCB
11:52 Testing GT120, Pace ADS200 and JBC DDE
15:35 Temperature calibration and stability
17:27 Some final thoughts
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Kudos to Metcal contacting you. I hope they do the same with every customer with that early unit.
Great reviews. Excellent narration and production….I could listen and watch your review content for hours. Very detailed, concise and informative. I love the Metcal stuff…such high quality and unmatched performance….beautiful design as well……especially reference the revised PCB. After your review I would have been a little peeved to have had the early production PCB. Metcal stuff is awesome
Well if was me and I had two Metcal soldering stations I'd be waiting for the third to arrive 🙂
Great video Steve with pleanty of content. Love the GT120 just not so keen on it's price. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you for the follow-up :)
quality content 👌👌👌
keep them coming
I was thinking to start a business in professional soldering stations, but seeing those serial numbers, I now realise what a nice market it is...
Most professional soldering stations are designed for reliability and have long working life, so they likely don't sell in huge volumes. There's also the fact that any electronics assembler will have set up their process for whatever system they've always used, so new stations like this may meet a tough market. The serial numbers on the MX station and JBCs suggest much higher adoption, but they've always had an upgrade path with the same cartridges.
Add on to that, stay away from Weller. I have their WX2, it works but by god it is not even close to the same league as the others.
@@xConundrumx it seems like weller really has fallen off in the recent years
@@poptartmcjelly7054 Yes, don't get me wrong. I have one and use it daily (mostly because I have it, and got the thing pretty cheap). But the lack of tip choice is disturbing. The quality of the thing is also sub-par. Tips that fail in the first hour of use for instance. And to think they brand it as 'milspec' ... a joke.
I fully suspect I will upgrade to a JBC 2 or 4 tools station first chance I get and never look back.
Another great video, it is interesting to see the changes from the original design to the updated one. I wonder why they did not update them in the first place before release. Maybe had too much stock already that needed to get rid off?
At this price point, they were probably hoping nobody would be brave enough to open it. 100% agree that you lose all sympathy with me when you actually release a product with bodge changes. Their claim that they thought they were all recalled is a bit convenient of an excuse.
What thermocouple sensors do you use with your 191? It seems to be very accurate looking at your videos.
Nice one Steve.
Looks very good, personally I would set the temp and cover the screen with something. I dont need the constant feed about what % its using and the tip temp.
Just picked up the GT90 which arrived in the initial early build state with the bodge...should I be concerned?
No, it still behaves identically. I've been using mine without problems since the original release date.
I ordered a GT90 from Farnell today, serial number 250, it has the factory mod. Very dissapointed. The LDO and caps are not there though. The relay is there, glued down.
After contacting Metcal and getting a replacement unit, it turns out the replacement has new modifications. I wonder when they will make the final version of this?
Since you appearently are using the sponge quite a bit for cleaning the tips, does this mean you don't like using your automatic tip cleaner all the time? It would be nice to see some sort of update video on the automatic tip cleaner now you've used it a while.
Good point, I actually use both the sponge and the automatic cleaner. The tip cleaner is a lot more effective and handles the waste solder much better than a sponge, so it tends to get used where there is a reasonable amount of waste solder on the tip. If it's just a quick clean between a few solder joints the sponge is a bit more effective and more convenient. My marker is usually if there is starting to be a bit of black on the tip where the flux has burnt, that's the time to use the automatic cleaner since it can contaminate the solder joint.
As a former ADS 200 owner, i made the decision to buy a GT90 right at 18:36 lol. No regrets. The whole "bodge" debacle doesn't concern me.
Reed relays are super quiet, it could be quite difficult to hear it.
Ersa recently launched a beast of a station. Have checked that one Steve?
No I will look it up!
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@@korytnacka7english is this really beast? I myself wonder. Hope Steve can get hold of it and exploit.
Ersa i-CON TRACE
Love your videos, especially Metcal related stuff. Very informative. I like learning from you.
But can you measure the tip temperature (with
By the way, I think eevblog Dave probably still has an early Pace Ads200 firmware in his review unit. Might be possible to compare firmware performance if that’s something you’re interested in doing.
Yes, all of these units have been calibrated to read roughly the same temperature (actually they were mostly correct from factory). The ADS200 has no calibration, but for comparative tests the temperature is measured to be the same.
@@sdgelectronics Ah I didn’t realise, thanks.
Did you see my other comment as a reply? I should have just put it on the bottom of my original comment…
From what I saw, his had similar behaviour to mine. Definitely something is wrong with the control loop.
If you have money to buy the station how can you not have money for the tips
I guess the option is always nice
The Ersa i-Con was more expensive than this unit and uses a similar heater + tip system with no option to use an AIO cartridge! The low cost tips work fine for usual PCB work, so I guess if you were using SAC0307 solder or something that requires an aggressive flux that dramatically shortens the life of the tip, it can be handy in these situations.
Station is once in 10+ years, tips are consumables. in commercial use you end up spending more for tips than station. in hobby you try to use tip till it should have been replaced ages ago if tips cost a lot
You are not fooling me to buy this one. :-) CV5200 is king.
I think you've got most bases covered!
@@sdgelectronics And now i also bought a MX5200 and the tip cleaner from Metcal. You still cost me money. :-)
Looks like they still are going to use that crappy display.
IMO, a $500+ soldering station should have a built-in power supply. Preferably a linear supply but definitely not a cheaply made external power brick.
The power supply itself is a high quality medically rated supply. It's something I would specify myself so no concerns about it being cheap. There's pros and cons to the external power supply, it does make repair/replacement easy though I suspect is also was chosen to reduce the development and EMC testing burden.
Two points, 1) you can easily and obviously get any compatible linear power supply and connect it to a 4 pin DIN yourself. Maybe one of the 100s of Bel Fuse branded linears on ebay is just fine for this since it's external. Then even if there is a benefit to not using a SMPS with this unit, those who care enough could do so. 2) I would assume either [A] Metcal is capable of choosing a switching power supply that is perfectly suited to the device they've designed, or [B] it's not terribly picky, and in either case if the "heavy lifting" is done after the DC inlet then why not take the benefit of the SMPS' efficiency?
I can never take METCAL seriously. They had the audacity to market a useless soldering station with only one set temperature for an extravagant sum of money.
All of their soldering stations have the capability to run at multiple temperatures. The temperature is set by the cartridge on the curie point systems, but these deliver (so far) unsurpassed thermal performance. It's worth watching some of my earlier comparison videos if you haven't seen them already to see the difference.
@@sdgelectronics I knew that, but requiring a new tip just to change the temperature is a bit overhanded, especially considering the high cost. I do, however, realize it's intended for industrial use where soldering parameters are not likely to change.
Interestingly, you can find the older stations by the truckload on eBay for next to nothing. I suspect they're not terribly popular and the introduction of this newer model with adjustable temperature settings leads me to believe they rethought their offerings.
Anyway, I enjoy your thorough analysis of these soldering stations. I went from an old style two piece soldering iron which had horrible performance to a much nicer T12 and soon, my Pine64 T100 clone I purchased for along with a set of 8 tips, will arrive. The price was too good to pass up. A mere $25 for the iron and another $25 for a set of 4 tips. I learned about it from Adrian's Basement Workshop channel.
@@bobweiram6321 if you ever get hands on a Curie point inductive soldering iron like the old Metcal or Hakko FX-100 (which is what I use) you will realize that they are indeed worth every penny - from tiny soldering points to huge 3oz ground planes: it just works and melts your solder. The temperature changing "feature" of other stations is only needed to add more temporary uumpf pumping more heat to overcome heatsinking issues. Never needed with the Curie point irons.
I'd never want to go back to a control loop iron.
The general point is that there is no need to change the temperature of the iron unless you are switching between lead and lead free, in which case you need a separate tip/cartridge anyway. With an inadequate station, there is the tendency to bump the temperature around to account for the lack of thermal performance.
@@HennerZeller can you do a review of the fx-100? There's very less info on yt. I'd like to see it for real