LeBron isn’t even better than Kobe. Seriously. Answer this question. If former players who played against them both say that Kobe is better, and that if they wanted to win that they would pick Kobe, then how can you even think to compare him to MJ? Kobe is my dude, but he’s 2nd to MJ. But if I had to war against a Michael Jordan, I would definitely have to have a Kobe Bryant facing him.
Lebum had BIG MEDIA behind him, and those tiktok teenager would always get the bait. Eye test should let you know MJ and Kobe is FAR FAR SUPERIOR PLAYER. A big gap.
edentheremix1011;Jordan was on a tier,because no one ELSE had the RULES changed to assist them past the team that"showed him the door"out of the post season every year!! LeBron is WAY better than Jordan in fact!! 😮Jordan NEVER defeated the 1989-90 Pistons,only a decimated-by-injury-and-trades pale SHADOW of a team 991 Pistons squad!! Ron Harper is a nobody at-----BEST!! 😂
@@AnthonyTucker-sl4zjgo look at the rules changes in 2004. League changed the rules to suit LeBron's style. Melo should have been ROY but that would have been a bad start for the guy who they put the money on to chase Jordan. Why do you think that there is this which rules are we playing by when comparing teams. Players point average went up by five after the changes across the board. The media spin has laid it on thick when it comes to LeBron. There are arguments for other players that played in his era being better than LeBron. That's not goat material.
Isn’t it voted on by the fans. Not many people cared about stats back then. They were too busy watching Jordan in total awe. They saw him dominate on both ends of the court. Dude was always the best guy on the court. Pretty much every game. I was a pistons fan when Jordan came into the league. I didn’t like him. When Isaiah didn’t shake hands I started to be a fan of his. They hammered that guy for years. He got stronger and came back to beat them. How can you not respect that? I also saw how he made everyone one of his teammates stronger mentally. Steve Kerr would have been a guy nobody would even know now if wasn’t for Jordan. Scottie Pippen wouldn’t have been an all star player either. Jordan gave him that confidence to swagger like he did. Rodman was suicidal before he got to the bulls. I could go on and on. You haters are tripping!!!
Tom Haberstrough single-handedly ruined Jordan's legacy and I'm pissing myself laughing. Jodan's defensive stats doubled at home over the road his DPOTY season. Fans even dissected a 1987 game of Hawks vs Bulls where Hawks were credited with 10 turnovers and Mike with 4 steals. Turns out Jordan only recorded one actual steal lol. So not only did they giftwrap one for Jordan they screwed James out of 1, possibly 2 awards. More than that he would've been the first guy to go back to back everything: fmvp, ring, mvp, dpoty, nba 1st, def 1st...
Nah it’s like losing 6 and winning 6 lol defending ya opinions is pointless on yt, player lol if you think Lbj is the goat that’s fine… But saying what you said makes you look a way🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️
Doesn't NECESSARILY mean the one with more is better. The one with more, is #1 in EVERY objective metric. Commentators have literally pointed out Lebron quitting on teammates. Pouting and displaying a defeated body language. The excuse for him not having success early was blamed on others. When he left and got MORE help than Jordan EVER had....he didnt show up. Great player. Nowhere near the greatest.
Sounds like there’s also a goal they’ll settle for is to be mentioned every time MJ is mentioned. If you work for lebron, it’s a smart move if you wanna your brand cemented in big brands.
So what MJ has made moves and said things for the masses to bite. MJ was just like Stephen A, for the longest time they didn’t want to acknowledge his greatness. They always had something negative to say. Lebron made them see it. Bunch of slew foot in the eighties. All of the athletes and the skill is now. Young Kobe was giving it to Mike. He would have had to see A lot of guards, not to mention the small forwards.
As to the question who's the goat, I pick Jordan. However, you all need to raise up off of Lebron. It's mostly the media generating the comparison, not Lebron. He certainly deserves to be in the discussion, but he doesn't deserve to be ridiculed.
its sad that LJ cant just be satisfied with being the great player that he is. why try to bring down Mike to make himself look better? look, get used to the fact that u will always b #2...ALWAYS. dont degrade yourself by stooping down to make false accusations. just focus on playing with ur son for the next coupla years. teach him to be great. like you...
The League even INVENTED a"blocking foul"to keep Jordan from fouling-out every game with CHARGING-fouls!! Jordans entire career was protected,"padded"and SCRIPTED. 😮
I don't know why both of these brothers would not just get over it Jordan Dean win any games this first four or five seasons in the it was Boston Lakers Detroit Pistons then he's finally started winning real people Kareem Abdul-Jabbar came in the league and won a championship with Milwaukee do you understand what that means he won a championship with Milwaukee didn't have many people around him like
It's in the 90% majority of the WORLD. In Asian, almost everyone know MJ. And only basketball player know Lebron. Not even close. My wife even knew steph curry but not lebron.
Outside of MJ selling shoes, he wouldn't be talked about and the only reason he has been talked about for the last 21 years is because of LeBron James facts 💯
@@YungBxndit I don't know what that means, but i definitely don't think that LeBron or his team would shell out unnecessary funds to bring up old stats on MJ because MJ, Bron, and Maverick Carter all are friends!
@@lesliebarber206 I genuinely experienced second hand embarrassed reading your comment...by far the most delusional post I have read in quite some time and that is saying A LOT! Jordan is only being talked about because of James??!! Over TWO DECADES since his retirement and Jordan is still viewed as the GOAT by millions upon millions of people around the world. Anytime one of his highlight videos or ANY video mentioning him hits UA-cam, it BLOWS UP! Why? Because he's a phenomenal player and people everywhere love watching him play! Anytime a Poll is conducted (fans/NBA players/Sports Analysts) Jordan is always at the top! You seem to be forgetting something Leslie... Jordan achieved that rare feat of transcending his Sport and reached the level of Ali and Babe Ruth, he is widely regarded as one the Greatest Athletes of All Time, if not the Greatest. So no, Lebron James has absolutely nothing to do with MJ's popularity. Remind me again, what number is printed on Lebron's Laker jersey? 🤔
The lemedia has done so well to convince everyone that lbj is better or close to mj smh. Once lbj retires theres gonna be someone else the media will try to make the next gen believe is better than mj. Which proves the standard and real goat is mj.
😂😂😂 not even close! LBJ is a clown and a choker. He's a regular season great but when its clutch time the dude disappeared his whole career! 6-0 NBA Finals says it all for MJ and 2 3peats. LBJ has 0 3peats with Super teams his whole career. If you werent alive in the 80s and 90s you're opinion is irrelevant. @hitek9too255
James will NEVER be the GOAT!! Nobody ever considered Kareem Abdul Jabar to be the GOAT and he held the all time scoring title longer than LeFlop Has been born. Kobe is a better player and he is over looked on this GOAT debate!
The fact that Lebron and his minions actually HIRE people to prop up Lebron and attempt to tear down Jordan by TRYING to minimize his career accomplishments just goes to show you that Lebron KNOWS he's not worthy of being compared to Jordan because if he was really THAT GUY, his game would speak for him and the people would have seen and the MAJORITY would say it for him that without a doubt he's better than Jordan, but now we don't hear that do we, at least NOT BY THE MAJORITY, no, we do not! In fact, we hear the exact OPPOSITE by the MAJORITY!!! And like, who freakin does this kinda sh? Like you're that freakin desperate that you would literally attempt to HIRE AND PAY someone to say good things about you to help bolster your career and help try to sway the masses into thinking or believing what he wants them to believe about him. Never seen a so called "MAN" so insecure and desperate for "ATTENTION"... My goodness!!! SMH Stop it, get some help!
I'm from Europe, there is no NBA GOAT debate outside of the US. Anyone who knows basketball and has seen Jordan play knows he is in a different stratosphere! Put aside all of MJ's Individual awards/accolades, stats, records, championships, Finals MVPS, his All-Time lead in all the major categories in advanced analytics (which didn't even exist when he played)...simply apply the Eye Test. His offensive excellence, defensive excellence, ability to consistently elevate his team on the biggest stage, ability to deliver in the clutch, especially when the lights were at their brightest, his impact on the game globally...James is nowhere near Jordan. Period! This latest smear campaign disguised as a 'DPOY Investigation' is further proof of how despondent Lebron & Klutch have become. They tried discrediting his competition, they tried inflating Pippen, failure after failure...they are running out of angles. Attacking his defense is their final act of desperation and the final nail in the coffin for Lebron's 'GOAT case'. There's not one rational person on this planet who would give ANY credence to Haberstroh's 'investigation'. The ONLY way to prove that Jordan's home steals and blocks were inflated in his DPOY season is to carry out the following 3 steps... 1) Analyse the game footage from ALL FORTY ONE of his home games in 1987/88....evaluate each steal and block on film and compare those findings to the official box score. 2) The process in step 1 then needs to be completed for each of the other DPOY candidates from that season, in order to prove that home stat inflation (if any) was limited to one player alone. 3) The footage from ALL 41 home games, for ALL DPOY candidates, then needs to be made public for independent review.
Haberstroh didn't complete ANY of the above 3 steps, didn't even come close! Jordan played 41 home games in his DPOY season. Haberstroh analysed just 6 of those games (what about the other THIRTY FIVE!!). Of those 6 games, 1 was found online and shows no evidence of stat inflation, film matches the box score and the other 5 games he sourced from Latvia on VHS tapes. He claims that there is evidence of MJ’s home stat inflation in these 5 VHS games but how can his claims be verified if he doesn’t make the footage available to the public for independent review?!! We are expected to simply take his word on what he has observed on those tapes?? Ask yourself this…if Haberstroh is so confident that the footage on those VHS tapes supports what he is alleging in his article, why has he failed to make those tapes available for independent evaluation? All his article proves is that the biggest majority of DPOY candidates in the 1987/88 season (and throughout NBA history) have recorded more steals and blocks at home than on the road and that Jordan's home steals and blocks in 1987/88 are marginally higher than the number of steals and blocks his fellow DPOY candidates recorded in their home stadiums. Establishing a disparity between home and road stats is NOT PROOF of home stat inflation, players generally perform better at home, that’s not unique to MJ and it’s not unique to one NBA Era...less back-to-back games, no travel, more rested, often more energised in front of a home crowd etc. Additionally, there are multiple Statisticians present at every NBA Game from BOTH teams, there is role specialisation for different aspects of the game, there is cross-verification by both teams and officials, video reviews, quality control and post game reviews, and collaboration with officials...so you'll have to forgive me if I apply ZERO WEIGHT to the unsubstantiated comments of a Vancouver Grizzlies Statkeeper on a Podcast. BOTTOM LINE...The ONLY way to prove that home stat inflation contributed to Jordan winning DPOY in 1987/88 is to carry out the 3 steps laid out above. Period! PS...At the very least, the irony in all of this has to be appreciated. Klutch set out to invalidate Jordan's 1987/88 DPOY award, failed spectacularly, and instead proved that he should also have won the award in 1986/87.
Plus, nobody like Kyle Kuzma literally pushed MJ to play defense! That's the most moronic debate in history, and not just in sports, but in general! I lived through the MJ era, and it's not even close! 6-0 in the finals vs 4-6, 10 scoring titles to 1, 2 dunk championships to LBJs promising to compete, and then going back on his word for a grand total of 0 dunk championships! If a D Leaguer outshines today's stars, and MJ had to compete against and defeat the likes of Dominique Wilkins, Clyde Drexler, Spud Webb, and Dr J, well you get the picture! These media dudes are just clutching at straws! This so-called "debate" is smoke and mirrors! Not even close!
Yeah, and let's not forget his flopping and his turnovers! And most importantly, his immense choke job in the 2011 finals after forming the Avengers and the Justice League, being outplayed by Jason Terry and JJ Barea, and allowing Dirk Nowitzki to steal the Heat's lunch!
Aspectus;thank you!! Jordans' famous"hop-step"was just a legalized TRAVELLING-violation!! Every point he ever scored while doing this should be WIPED from the record!!! 😮
And no one ever mentions that Jordans' 63 against Boston in the playoffs came in a FULL game plus TWO overtimes!! Hell,even I could've scored SEVENTY in THAT time-span!! George Gervin scored as much in thirty-MINUTES,without the benefit of the three-point shot for all of his 27- foot baskets!! Jordan is only so worshipped because he brought all the MONEY into the League!! 😮
@@AnthonyTucker-sl4zj😂😂 Hate to even give you attn. YOU are gonna score 63 in the playoffs against the greatest Celtics team of all time?! I’ll be shocked and very sad for you if you were even alive then to watch that 86 team. What say you Champ?? lol. Good Lord
Perhaps the most disturbing aspect of all this is the fact that there are some people out there who will now disregard Jordan's DPOY based on a 5 game analysis, which cannot be verified because Haberstroh chose NOT to make the footage available for independent review. He claims to have analysed 6 games...1 game he found online (this has since been reviewed and contains no evidence of stat inflation) and the other 5 games he sourced from Latvia on VHS Tapes. He claims the footage on the VHS tapes supports his allegation of stat inflation...if that is in fact true, why hasn't he made that footage available for independent review? Jordan played in 41 home games in his DPOY season, Haberstroh analysed just 6 of those 41 games, that's 14% of the games in question. Since when is ANY investigation considered credible when 86% of the data has been omitted from analysis? He also quotes in his article, the unsubstantiated comments of a former Vancouver Grizzlies Statkeeper on a Podcast, who worked in the NBA a decade after Jordan's DPOY season. Is this really what constitutes investigative Journalism these days? The ONLY way to conclusively prove that home stat inflation contributed to Jordan winning DPOY in 1987/88 is to complete the following 3 steps... 1) Analyse the game footage from ALL FORTY ONE of his home games in 1987/88....evaluate each steal and block on film and compare those findings to the official box score. 2) The process in step 1 then needs to be completed for each of the other DPOY candidates from that season, in order to prove that home stat inflation (if it occurred) was limited to one player. 3) The footage from ALL 41 home games, for ALL DPOY candidates, then needs to be made public for independent analysis. The ONLY thing that Haberstroh's article does prove is that the biggest majority of the DPOY candidates in 1987/88 recorded more steals/blocks at home than on the road and that Jordan's increase at home was marginally higher than the number of steals/blocks that his fellow DPOY candidates recorded in their home stadiums. Most players generally perform better at home, that's not unique to Jordan and it's not unique to one NBA Era...less back-to-back games, no travel, they're more rested, often more energised in front of a home crowd etc. Additionally, Haberstroh failed to mention the fact that there are multiple Statisticians present at every NBA Game from BOTH teams, there is role specialisation for different aspects of the game, there is cross-verification by both teams and officials, video reviews, quality control and post game reviews, and collaboration with officials...so you'll have to forgive me if I apply ZERO WEIGHT to the unsubstantiated comments made on a Podcast, by a Statkeeper who never worked for the Bulls! Haberstroh also conveniently overlooks MJ's incredible 1986/87 season (the season PRIOR to his DPOY season) because he knows he was robbed of DPOY that year, also he can't try to invalidate that season using % disparity between home and road steals/blocks. In that 1986/87 season, Jordan became the first player in NBA history to record over 200 steals and 100 blocks in the same season (whilst also leading the league in Scoring), his defensive stats that season were far superior to the DPOY winner Michael Cooper, yet Jordan wasn't even awarded an All-Defensive 2nd Team selection! Haberstroh states that Jordan's blocks/steals stats in his 1987/88 DPOY season are 'God-like', an anomaly, and heavily inflated in comparison to his other seasons but that's completely untrue because his stats from the previous 1986/87 season were ALMOST IDENTICAL to his DPOY stats. He also conveniently omits an All-Time steals record that Jordan shares with Alvin Roberston...SIX seasons with 200+ steals...but that doesn't fit with his narrative that MJ's DPOY season stats are vastly inflated. I guess we can at least appreciate the irony in all this. Haberstroh set out to discredit Jordan's 1987/88 DPOY award, failed spectacularly, and instead proved that MJ should also have won the DPOY award in 1986/87.
How’s this for stats. Michael Jordan in 11 Full Seasons with Bulls: 6 championships 6 Finals MVPs 5 MVPs 10 Scoring Titles 9 First Team All-NBA Defense 1 DPOY award 3 Steals Champion 82 game seasons: 9 1 all star teammate Lebron and Durant in 37 full seasons combined: 6 Championships 6 Finals MVPs 5 MVPs 5 Scoring Titles 5 First Team All-NBA Defense O DPOY awards O Steals Champion 82 Game seasons combined: 2 14 combined all star teammates
@@ozz7602 true but the point I was trying to make is that he was only the best scorer once in his entire career and his 40k point total doesn't mean anything about his greatness but more so his longevity.
@@ozz7602being the scoring leader and leading your team to a championship is the true measure. Michael Jordan has achieved a scoring title and championship in the same season six times. This is more times than all of the nba players in history, COMBINED. Let that sink in
why are they, keep saying lebron is the goat..that dude had a hard time to score a point on a freethrow line..😂😂😂 and yet they still pursue to broadcast lebron is the goat THAT'S IN YOUR MIND, but inside ur ❤ MJ is the goat if u truly love a basketball..
0-11 against nuggets, thats your goat. Swept 3 times in playoff. Most turnovers ever, next year will br awarded most missed field goal of all time. MJ+pippen = 3 peat. LBJ+AD = SWEPT, didnt make playoff 2 times, first round exit 2 times. There's level.
Gee, I wonder what would prompt someone to take it upon themselves to combing through game after game watching and counting steals and comparing them to the stat sheets over 25 years later? Did he do this to anyone else? Or just MJ the year he won an award that Lebron wishes he had because he thinks that’s all that separates them?
This is pathetic, and all you have to do was watch MJ play defense around that time. Harper is right. The dude was dominating on both ends of the court. Even when MJ was older, he still played passing lanes better than anyone I've ever seen.
@@jakariesands9217 Go back and watch the game footage from that time period. James wasn't robbed of a DPOY, Marc Gasol was the superior defender, the defensive stats and game footage prove that. Gasol was the one who was robbed of a 1st Team All Defense selection!
LBJ doesn't even belong to the GOAT conversation. He's not in the same breath as MJ. Anyone who has witnessed both MJ and LBJ's career would understand.
This is not up for debate. MJ wanted to win, he didn't care about stats. He did whatever he wanted, whenever he wanted, to whoever he wanted on the court, even telling the person or somebody they knew before the game. Lebron is a awesome player, but Mike is different. MJ DOMINATED period.
you are not seeing the big picture.. they need to tear down MJ's. legacy because LBJ knows he cant surpass him in accolades and accomplishments...maybe your the crazy one?
As a die-hard Lakers fan I would use Ron Harper's eye technique to watch for Jordan choking and then whining afterwards -- but that never happened. Not so with LeBron. I haven't been a Lakers fan since LeBron joined.
Bottom line is, Lewhine shouldnt be mentioned as even clos to being a goat.. theres only MJ, Kobe... NUFF SAID!! Dont see why idiots keep trying to give more credito to that overrated supporting cast that needs All Stars on a team to win.. MJ& KB made everyone around them better!! Lechump didn't!!! Without all stars on his team, Lewhine would just be another Vlade Divac!!!😂😂
Why would LeBron aim to tear down a legacy of someone he idolized. That doesn't make any sense but regardless. This whole fake stat thing with Jordan is literally nothing new. Stockton's, Magic's, Lebron's, Kobe's Shaq etc. All have had their stats padded by scorekeepers. Acting like this is some sort of new revelation is ludicrous. Any LeBron Stan who thinks that this adds to his GOAT case is delusional and any jordan Stan who genuinely believes that LeBron and clutch sports would target him when they themselves know(klutch and Lebron) that score keeping isn't always 100% conclusive are fr just as delusional as the Lebron stans. I swear NBA discourse is so mind-boggling sometimes with their stupidity
Nope. Was he even alive to witness the one of a kind greatness of MJ? He needs to stfu. Fact is they could never tear down Michael 🐐 Jordan’s Legacy. No matter what Labron does ever, can change the stats. so since LeBron don’t possess defensive player of the year award you gonna say that Jordan didn’t earn it because you’re trying to make LeBron on the same plateau as Jordan he simply will never make it
I'm sorry one brought us victory. Hell mj was part of the amateur team that whooped the nba Allstars in the 80s. Also undefeated I finals with 2 3peats. Mj is the goat. The record help LeBron has had on top of his loosing record in the finals are in my mind atleast clear indicators of his shortcomings
Who looks happier in this picture of Michael Jordan and LeBron James? Michael Jordan is more than satisfied with this moment because MJ is more than satisfied with both his career and his place in NBA history. LeBron James is wearing a dissatisfied smile because LeBron is still chasing The GOAT - Michael Jordan.
@habibprout9201 yeah I think lebron is indirectly involved. Every since lebron has been crying about not winning a DPOY award over Marc Gasol then all of a sudden Jordan DPOY award is questioned hence why lebron is Involved. U can act oblivious to this all u want but u lebron fan boys ain't fooling anyone. Nice try though
This comes from a Real NBA player btw who i would actually listen to. not no reporters, analyst or who aren’t even on this level🤷🏾♂️ hey it just my opinion
Imagine what Hakeem would do to him. Watch the footage of him trying to teach LeBron post moves. Dream would have stolen the ball from him every time, that's before he does anything on offense.
Wtf does that have to do with anything? Marc won DPotY in 2013 and barely made all defense 2nd team that season. Kawhi is a 2x DPotY winner and he's made all defense 7 times to Lebron's 6.
LeBron acts like a scorned woman who is mad that MJ never embraced him like he did Kobe. He's been on a mission ever since like a man still mad about his Daddy issues which he's taking out on Jordan.
Ron harper, Shawn kemp,Robert Horry, john Sally, Byron scott, all talking shitt none of this trash ass players are not even in the HOF,LOL KINGJAMES 40,000!
Give me a break, MJ’s titles are with ONE team and none in a BUBBLE!!!! It’s okay to move around in search of a title but I don’t acknowledge the bubble title because teams were NOT at their best. Choosing the GOAT between MJ and LJ isn’t difficult MJ all the way!!!! My GOAT is the late GREAT Bill Russell with his 11 titles, eight in a row!!!!
Almost 40 years later ppl are questioning it? It's agenda and money driven. If a business has a new product, they will ALWAYS market it as better, they make no money saying the new stuff isn't as good as the old stuff.
Yet James will Never be #1 stats doesn't make you the best how you play does this is very Sad if he is really doing this even if they did Lebron will Never be seen in the same light as Magic Micheal Lary lsiah or Kobe they all have THE KILLER INSTINCT LEBRON DOESN'T he is to worried about people being nice to his son instead of letting him be a Man and Lebron doesn't want people to judge him remember he never used to take No Game WINNING SHOTS no back bone / Thickskin
Jordan also had the "benefit of the press"as for decades Jordans' 63 points against Boston in the playoffs has been vaunted without ever mentioning that Jordan lost the game AND the series,getting SWEPT 4-0 straight OUT of the post season WITH his 63 points!! 😮
Ron Harper nailed it. It's about the eye test mostly, not stats. Also Jordan should have won the DPOY in 87 but I bet Clutch won't talk about that. They'll just cry about LeBron being "robbed" of a DPOY.
Matter of Fact I guar dam tee that MJ is the GOAT. Kobe is next in line. Sorry Lebron you’re just a better version of Magic Johnson. If anyone is STAT padding it’s the King himself. Jordan put the Doberman in the Doberman defense. Lebron go enjoy your last year playing with your son and let your legacy speak for itself. I’m tired of hearing this stuff.
No. James has no case for any GOAT status. No one believes that aside from his Stanzboys, and people who are bought off, or being intimidated by KLUTCH. Don't cap. And all this has done is open the Pandora's Box for James and his sycophants, as people are now going back over James' games with the same eye, and it isn't going well for their fake ass, wannabe GOAT at all. Talk about inflated stats.
Lebron is NOT considered top 2 by anybody who actually knows basketball AND knows how to play basketball. He's nowhere close to MJ. He's also not #2. He's really not top 5. Some say he's at least top 10. I don't.
most people DO NOT consider LeEGO as the GOAT. The knowledgeable ones don't even consider him Top 5. I don't have him in my Top 10, ftm. Stats do not make a winner, nor do they equate to greatness.
All you gotta do is ask who wears LeBrons shoes inda NBA?🤔🤨😂😂😂😂 Or soccer baseball golf football bowling music artist plus more🤨? No one does but Jordans brand shoes who's the goat LeBron get outta here 😂
What this is really about is a Jedi Mind Trick from Bron/Klutch responding to all of the more recent criticism of Bron's career of refs fixing for him, him especially in his older years being allowed to travel and in fact basing his whole bag on stiff arming to the travel move to jumping into the defender then transitioning into a flop, not getting back on D instead instantly whining to the refs while the other team scores on a fast break. Stat padding, leaving his man wide open then blaming all his teammates not named AD.
Goats don't call themselves the goat. They don't flop, choke, pick up the ball and run with it, quit on their teams, create super teams, take PEDs, get coaches fired and hired and never take accountability. I'll say it for the thousandth time LeFraud isn't top 10 for all of these reasons. There's nothing I like about him ever since I stopped supporting him when he choked epically in the '11 Finals after be cocky.
No one truly thinks LeBron is the GOAT. No one can honestly make a case for him that is centered around common sense. Name one GOAT, in any sport, that has a losing championship record. Name one GOAT that ran to form a super team in his prime. Name a GOAT that had an epic meltdown on the biggest stage. Name a GOAT whose agency has to infiltrate sports media to prop up their guy, while tearing down other’s legacies. Name another GOAT, who allowed other teams to build dynastys at their team’s expense. Bron never wanted to compete. He just wanted instant success by taking the easy route. He’s not a GOAT. Not even close.
LeBron isn’t even better than Kobe. Seriously. Answer this question. If former players who played against them both say that Kobe is better, and that if they wanted to win that they would pick Kobe, then how can you even think to compare him to MJ? Kobe is my dude, but he’s 2nd to MJ. But if I had to war against a Michael Jordan, I would definitely have to have a Kobe Bryant facing him.
Lebum had BIG MEDIA behind him, and those tiktok teenager would always get the bait. Eye test should let you know MJ and Kobe is FAR FAR SUPERIOR PLAYER. A big gap.
Well Kobe is better than Jordan, so maybe.
@@hitek9too255 in your dreams son and I love Kobe I got him 2 or 3 All Time next to Wilt
You don’t even believe that Kobe is better than Lebron, this guy🤦🏽♂️😂
Lebron will always be number two and is the GOAT. Kobe is top 20 if that!
@@manniefresh5243 How is Lebron the GOAT if he is number 2? Lebron fanboys are dumb as hell.
Mike is in a tier by himself.
No it's Mike and Kobe
edentheremix1011;Jordan was on a tier,because no one ELSE had the RULES changed to assist them past the team that"showed him the door"out of the post season every year!! LeBron is WAY better than Jordan in fact!! 😮Jordan NEVER defeated the 1989-90 Pistons,only a decimated-by-injury-and-trades pale SHADOW of a team 991 Pistons squad!! Ron Harper is a nobody at-----BEST!! 😂
@@AnthonyTucker-sl4zjgo look at the rules changes in 2004. League changed the rules to suit LeBron's style. Melo should have been ROY but that would have been a bad start for the guy who they put the money on to chase Jordan. Why do you think that there is this which rules are we playing by when comparing teams. Players point average went up by five after the changes across the board. The media spin has laid it on thick when it comes to LeBron. There are arguments for other players that played in his era being better than LeBron. That's not goat material.
@@adamgray-kz1cz they did same thing for Jordan.
@@360will7 no they did not. Keep listening to paid for media.
This is the most disgusting thing Lebron had ever done.
Did he actually do it? Or is this a content creators take? Gotta be careful on these mean internet streets
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@@Dragon-qt5zuNO HE DID IT
Pointing out factual information about him is not disgusting.
It's going to hurt him in the end if this is Tru Say Less!!!🤫
They already convinced the world that the g.o.a.t. debate is only between Jordan & himself.
This is how you know Jordan is the GOAT. He never responds to any of his haters. A giant doesn’t swat at flies!
most people???? you kidding me? wtf most people think le floop is best along with MJ? Le balco isnt even in top 50. Disgrace
Ron HARPER was just as good as mj, nobody talks about that,why!!
LeBron is not on MJs level… LeBron put himself in the goat debate 6 losses definitely he’s out of the conversation…,
Isn’t it voted on by the fans. Not many people cared about stats back then. They were too busy watching Jordan in total awe. They saw him dominate on both ends of the court. Dude was always the best guy on the court. Pretty much every game. I was a pistons fan when Jordan came into the league. I didn’t like him. When Isaiah didn’t shake hands I started to be a fan of his. They hammered that guy for years. He got stronger and came back to beat them. How can you not respect that? I also saw how he made everyone one of his teammates stronger mentally. Steve Kerr would have been a guy nobody would even know now if wasn’t for Jordan. Scottie Pippen wouldn’t have been an all star player either. Jordan gave him that confidence to swagger like he did. Rodman was suicidal before he got to the bulls. I could go on and on. You haters are tripping!!!
Tom Haberstrough single-handedly ruined Jordan's legacy and I'm pissing myself laughing.
Jodan's defensive stats doubled at home over the road his DPOTY season. Fans even dissected a 1987 game of Hawks vs Bulls where Hawks were credited with 10 turnovers and Mike with 4 steals. Turns out Jordan only recorded one actual steal lol.
So not only did they giftwrap one for Jordan they screwed James out of 1, possibly 2 awards. More than that he would've been the first guy to go back to back everything: fmvp, ring, mvp, dpoty, nba 1st, def 1st...
Eye test!! Not stats. Like winning six instead of four. Just stats. Doesn't mean the one with more is better
LeBron fan made this comment 😂
Nah it’s like losing 6 and winning 6 lol defending ya opinions is pointless on yt, player lol if you think Lbj is the goat that’s fine… But saying what you said makes you look a way🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️
You're having a psychotic breakdown. Get some ice, put your feet up, and watch the first half of game 1 of the 1992 Finals.
Doesn't NECESSARILY mean the one with more is better.
The one with more, is #1 in EVERY objective metric.
Commentators have literally pointed out Lebron quitting on teammates. Pouting and displaying a defeated body language.
The excuse for him not having success early was blamed on others. When he left and got MORE help than Jordan EVER had....he didnt show up.
Great player.
Nowhere near the greatest.
Sounds like there’s also a goal they’ll settle for is to be mentioned every time MJ is mentioned. If you work for lebron, it’s a smart move if you wanna your brand cemented in big brands.
So what
MJ has made moves and said things for the masses to bite. MJ was just like Stephen A, for the longest time they didn’t want to acknowledge his greatness. They always had something negative to say. Lebron made them see it. Bunch of slew foot in the eighties. All of the athletes and the skill is now. Young Kobe was giving it to Mike. He would have had to see A lot of guards, not to mention the small forwards.
Lebron James is not Michael Jordan. Its actually dissrespecting to MJ when you mention LBJ in the same sentence with him.
Lebron & Klutch Sports is the worst thing that happened to basketball EVER.
I’ve never heard anyone out in public tell me Lebron is the GOAT. Not even the kids of family or friends say it.
The difference between the two is in mental toughness 😁
MJ was never pushed to play defense by someone like Kyle Kuzma to play defense! Nuff said! Not even close!
They keep tryna tie him to Jordan and he's not even CLOSE!!!
There's only ONE 🐐 and it's MJ.
When can we cancel Klutch Sports?? 😒
LeBron and Clutch are definitely guilty. It's pathetic
As to the question who's the goat, I pick Jordan. However, you all need to raise up off of Lebron. It's mostly the media generating the comparison, not Lebron. He certainly deserves to be in the discussion, but he doesn't deserve to be ridiculed.
The only people who thinks Lebron is better than Jordan didn't watch Jordan play.
LoL LBJ is not even supposed to be the rookie of the year everyone knows it's should be Carmelo.Anthony
Jordan is the GOAT and Kobe is better than lebron PERIOD
This has already been proven false a dude did a complete breakdown of the games and counted each steal
its sad that LJ cant just be satisfied with being the great player that he is. why try to bring down Mike to make himself look better? look, get used to the fact that u will always b #2...ALWAYS. dont degrade yourself by stooping down to make false accusations. just focus on playing with ur son for the next coupla years. teach him to be great. like you...
The League even INVENTED a"blocking foul"to keep Jordan from fouling-out every game with CHARGING-fouls!! Jordans entire career was protected,"padded"and SCRIPTED. 😮
I don't know why both of these brothers would not just get over it Jordan Dean win any games this first four or five seasons in the it was Boston Lakers Detroit Pistons then he's finally started winning real people Kareem Abdul-Jabbar came in the league and won a championship with Milwaukee do you understand what that means he won a championship with Milwaukee didn't have many people around him like
Mj is the Goat… that’s why the jersey LeBum has on .. has MJs Logo
This is downright pathetic
Pic of Lebron comes to mind
Lebron's pathetic
Goats don't need to lobby people in order to be recognised as goat.
Another L for LeFail 😂
I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY. LECHOKE IS NOT IN JORDAN'S LEAGUE. 👎👎👎
ABSOLUTELY PURE FACTS
@@jerrylattimore9232LeChoke, LeGone and LeSuck
Hahahaa😂😂😂 he may have even paid people to talk about this nonsense GOAT debate.Wake up LeChoke, its not even close.
Only Jordan stans crested the lie Klutch was behind this
In the streets everyone knows Jordan is the best player.
It's in the 90% majority of the WORLD. In Asian, almost everyone know MJ. And only basketball player know Lebron. Not even close. My wife even knew steph curry but not lebron.
Not really. Jordan isn't even top 10.
@@hitek9too255 STUPIDEST comment EVER 😂😂 GTFO
@@hitek9too255 Next level delusion.
Facts
Individual awards don't matter, anyway. Just watch them both play, and it's obvious MJ is the better player at both ends. Silly.
MJ and Kobe cleared bron so bad by eye test.
@@januar2741did they?
MJ only good player in his era of bums
@@Zeronum2 not a single fucking DOUBT.
@@Dogdigger-xy9vk thats why bron use 23 right,, because a BUM. He is your goat's goat.
Same argument when Kobe was still playing. When lbj is done, mj will still be talked about as who will be the next Jordan.
Outside of MJ selling shoes, he wouldn't be talked about and the only reason he has been talked about for the last 21 years is because of LeBron James facts 💯
@@lesliebarber206cope 😂
@@YungBxndit I don't know what that means, but i definitely don't think that LeBron or his team would shell out unnecessary funds to bring up old stats on MJ because MJ, Bron, and Maverick Carter all are friends!
@@lesliebarber206Facts!
@@lesliebarber206 I genuinely experienced second hand embarrassed reading your comment...by far the most delusional post I have read in quite some time and that is saying A LOT! Jordan is only being talked about because of James??!! Over TWO DECADES since his retirement and Jordan is still viewed as the GOAT by millions upon millions of people around the world. Anytime one of his highlight videos or ANY video mentioning him hits UA-cam, it BLOWS UP! Why? Because he's a phenomenal player and people everywhere love watching him play! Anytime a Poll is conducted (fans/NBA players/Sports Analysts) Jordan is always at the top! You seem to be forgetting something Leslie... Jordan achieved that rare feat of transcending his Sport and reached the level of Ali and Babe Ruth, he is widely regarded as one the Greatest Athletes of All Time, if not the Greatest. So no, Lebron James has absolutely nothing to do with MJ's popularity. Remind me again, what number is printed on Lebron's Laker jersey? 🤔
LeBron James isn’t even the top 10 player let alone in the goat discussion
I’d say Tim Duncan is more of a goat then LeCrybaby
@@lordhoweproductions3733 I have TD at four
@@Thorcat001🤡
The lemedia has done so well to convince everyone that lbj is better or close to mj smh. Once lbj retires theres gonna be someone else the media will try to make the next gen believe is better than mj. Which proves the standard and real goat is mj.
Because he is and the media has nothing to do with. It's the eye test LeBron is heads and shoulders better.
😂😂😂 not even close! LBJ is a clown and a choker. He's a regular season great but when its clutch time the dude disappeared his whole career! 6-0 NBA Finals says it all for MJ and 2 3peats. LBJ has 0 3peats with Super teams his whole career. If you werent alive in the 80s and 90s you're opinion is irrelevant. @hitek9too255
@@hitek9too255 if you’re going by I test LeBron isn’t even top 10
James will NEVER be the GOAT!! Nobody ever considered Kareem Abdul Jabar to be the GOAT and he held the all time scoring title longer than LeFlop Has been born. Kobe is a better player and he is over looked on this GOAT debate!
LBJ has ZERO case to be a GOAT candidate.
lol
@@jakariesands9217 "lol" is not an argument, pal.
@@ericfurst6091 you said he has no case??? Ya lol🤣
@@jakariesands9217 exactly, 4-6 negative finals record and Dallas 2011 = GAME OVER
Simple as that 🤷♂️
1-9 w/o Phil the triangle and Scottie.
Bron will never be the goat he’s not even above Kobe
The fact that Lebron and his minions actually HIRE people to prop up Lebron and attempt to tear down Jordan by TRYING to minimize his career accomplishments just goes to show you that Lebron KNOWS he's not worthy of being compared to Jordan because if he was really THAT GUY, his game would speak for him and the people would have seen and the MAJORITY would say it for him that without a doubt he's better than Jordan, but now we don't hear that do we, at least NOT BY THE MAJORITY, no, we do not! In fact, we hear the exact OPPOSITE by the MAJORITY!!! And like, who freakin does this kinda sh? Like you're that freakin desperate that you would literally attempt to HIRE AND PAY someone to say good things about you to help bolster your career and help try to sway the masses into thinking or believing what he wants them to believe about him. Never seen a so called "MAN" so insecure and desperate for "ATTENTION"... My goodness!!! SMH Stop it, get some help!
Yall actually believe this non sense haha
He also proclaimed he is the GOAT. No respect whatsover for all players before him. Crazy narcisstic guy.
I'm from Europe, there is no NBA GOAT debate outside of the US. Anyone who knows basketball and has seen Jordan play knows he is in a different stratosphere! Put aside all of MJ's Individual awards/accolades, stats, records, championships, Finals MVPS, his All-Time lead in all the major categories in advanced analytics (which didn't even exist when he played)...simply apply the Eye Test. His offensive excellence, defensive excellence, ability to consistently elevate his team on the biggest stage, ability to deliver in the clutch, especially when the lights were at their brightest, his impact on the game globally...James is nowhere near Jordan. Period! This latest smear campaign disguised as a 'DPOY Investigation' is further proof of how despondent Lebron & Klutch have become. They tried discrediting his competition, they tried inflating Pippen, failure after failure...they are running out of angles.
Attacking his defense is their final act of desperation and the final nail in the coffin for Lebron's 'GOAT case'. There's not one rational person on this planet who would give ANY credence to Haberstroh's 'investigation'. The ONLY way to prove that Jordan's home steals and blocks were inflated in his DPOY season is to carry out the following 3 steps...
1) Analyse the game footage from ALL FORTY ONE of his home games in 1987/88....evaluate each steal and block on film and compare those findings to the official box score.
2) The process in step 1 then needs to be completed for each of the other DPOY candidates from that season, in order to prove that home stat inflation (if any) was limited to one player alone.
3) The footage from ALL 41 home games, for ALL DPOY candidates, then needs to be made public for independent review.
Haberstroh didn't complete ANY of the above 3 steps, didn't even come close! Jordan played 41 home games in his DPOY season. Haberstroh analysed just 6 of those games (what about the other THIRTY FIVE!!). Of those 6 games, 1 was found online and shows no evidence of stat inflation, film matches the box score and the other 5 games he sourced from Latvia on VHS tapes. He claims that there is evidence of MJ’s home stat inflation in these 5 VHS games but how can his claims be verified if he doesn’t make the footage available to the public for independent review?!! We are expected to simply take his word on what he has observed on those tapes?? Ask yourself this…if Haberstroh is so confident that the footage on those VHS tapes supports what he is alleging in his article, why has he failed to make those tapes available for independent evaluation?
All his article proves is that the biggest majority of DPOY candidates in the 1987/88 season (and throughout NBA history) have recorded more steals and blocks at home than on the road and that Jordan's home steals and blocks in 1987/88 are marginally higher than the number of steals and blocks his fellow DPOY candidates recorded in their home stadiums. Establishing a disparity between home and road stats is NOT PROOF of home stat inflation, players generally perform better at home, that’s not unique to MJ and it’s not unique to one NBA Era...less back-to-back games, no travel, more rested, often more energised in front of a home crowd etc. Additionally, there are multiple Statisticians present at every NBA Game from BOTH teams, there is role specialisation for different aspects of the game, there is cross-verification by both teams and officials, video reviews, quality control and post game reviews, and collaboration with officials...so you'll have to forgive me if I apply ZERO WEIGHT to the unsubstantiated comments of a Vancouver Grizzlies Statkeeper on a Podcast.
BOTTOM LINE...The ONLY way to prove that home stat inflation contributed to Jordan winning DPOY in 1987/88 is to carry out the 3 steps laid out above. Period!
PS...At the very least, the irony in all of this has to be appreciated. Klutch set out to invalidate Jordan's 1987/88 DPOY award, failed spectacularly, and instead proved that he should also have won the award in 1986/87.
Actually it's the other way around said scottie,how about the 92 dream team and all 3 championship bull teams play 🤴 1 on 1 right now.
Says the flopper. MJ never flopped
Plus, nobody like Kyle Kuzma literally pushed MJ to play defense! That's the most moronic debate in history, and not just in sports, but in general! I lived through the MJ era, and it's not even close! 6-0 in the finals vs 4-6, 10 scoring titles to 1, 2 dunk championships to LBJs promising to compete, and then going back on his word for a grand total of 0 dunk championships! If a D Leaguer outshines today's stars, and MJ had to compete against and defeat the likes of Dominique Wilkins, Clyde Drexler, Spud Webb, and Dr J, well you get the picture! These media dudes are just clutching at straws! This so-called "debate" is smoke and mirrors! Not even close!
@@alexandrossimitzis146 100%
This investigation into numbers of brought to by Lebron James…
So it isnt stat padding when refs don't count his 5 step travels etc?
Yeah, and let's not forget his flopping and his turnovers! And most importantly, his immense choke job in the 2011 finals after forming the Avengers and the Justice League, being outplayed by Jason Terry and JJ Barea, and allowing Dirk Nowitzki to steal the Heat's lunch!
Aspectus;thank you!! Jordans' famous"hop-step"was just a legalized TRAVELLING-violation!! Every point he ever scored while doing this should be WIPED from the record!!! 😮
And no one ever mentions that Jordans' 63 against Boston in the playoffs came in a FULL game plus TWO overtimes!! Hell,even I could've scored SEVENTY in THAT time-span!! George Gervin scored as much in thirty-MINUTES,without the benefit of the three-point shot for all of his 27- foot baskets!! Jordan is only so worshipped because he brought all the MONEY into the League!! 😮
@@AnthonyTucker-sl4zj😂😂 Hate to even give you attn. YOU are gonna score 63 in the playoffs against the greatest Celtics team of all time?! I’ll be shocked and very sad for you if you were even alive then to watch that 86 team. What say you Champ?? lol. Good Lord
Perhaps the most disturbing aspect of all this is the fact that there are some people out there who will now disregard Jordan's DPOY based on a 5 game analysis, which cannot be verified because Haberstroh chose NOT to make the footage available for independent review. He claims to have analysed 6 games...1 game he found online (this has since been reviewed and contains no evidence of stat inflation) and the other 5 games he sourced from Latvia on VHS Tapes. He claims the footage on the VHS tapes supports his allegation of stat inflation...if that is in fact true, why hasn't he made that footage available for independent review?
Jordan played in 41 home games in his DPOY season, Haberstroh analysed just 6 of those 41 games, that's 14% of the games in question. Since when is ANY investigation considered credible when 86% of the data has been omitted from analysis? He also quotes in his article, the unsubstantiated comments of a former Vancouver Grizzlies Statkeeper on a Podcast, who worked in the NBA a decade after Jordan's DPOY season. Is this really what constitutes investigative Journalism these days?
The ONLY way to conclusively prove that home stat inflation contributed to Jordan winning DPOY in 1987/88 is to complete the following 3 steps...
1) Analyse the game footage from ALL FORTY ONE of his home games in 1987/88....evaluate each steal and block on film and compare those findings to the official box score.
2) The process in step 1 then needs to be completed for each of the other DPOY candidates from that season, in order to prove that home stat inflation (if it occurred) was limited to one player.
3) The footage from ALL 41 home games, for ALL DPOY candidates, then needs to be made public for independent analysis.
The ONLY thing that Haberstroh's article does prove is that the biggest majority of the DPOY candidates in 1987/88 recorded more steals/blocks at home than on the road and that Jordan's increase at home was marginally higher than the number of steals/blocks that his fellow DPOY candidates recorded in their home stadiums. Most players generally perform better at home, that's not unique to Jordan and it's not unique to one NBA Era...less back-to-back games, no travel, they're more rested, often more energised in front of a home crowd etc. Additionally, Haberstroh failed to mention the fact that there are multiple Statisticians present at every NBA Game from BOTH teams, there is role specialisation for different aspects of the game, there is cross-verification by both teams and officials, video reviews, quality control and post game reviews, and collaboration with officials...so you'll have to forgive me if I apply ZERO WEIGHT to the unsubstantiated comments made on a Podcast, by a Statkeeper who never worked for the Bulls!
Haberstroh also conveniently overlooks MJ's incredible 1986/87 season (the season PRIOR to his DPOY season) because he knows he was robbed of DPOY that year, also he can't try to invalidate that season using % disparity between home and road steals/blocks. In that 1986/87 season, Jordan became the first player in NBA history to record over 200 steals and 100 blocks in the same season (whilst also leading the league in Scoring), his defensive stats that season were far superior to the DPOY winner Michael Cooper, yet Jordan wasn't even awarded an All-Defensive 2nd Team selection! Haberstroh states that Jordan's blocks/steals stats in his 1987/88 DPOY season are 'God-like', an anomaly, and heavily inflated in comparison to his other seasons but that's completely untrue because his stats from the previous 1986/87 season were ALMOST IDENTICAL to his DPOY stats. He also conveniently omits an All-Time steals record that Jordan shares with Alvin Roberston...SIX seasons with 200+ steals...but that doesn't fit with his narrative that MJ's DPOY season stats are vastly inflated.
I guess we can at least appreciate the irony in all this. Haberstroh set out to discredit Jordan's 1987/88 DPOY award, failed spectacularly, and instead proved that MJ should also have won the DPOY award in 1986/87.
Now you should have that guy's job, because you analyzed the shit out of everything down to the most minor detail
Tom Haberstroke...a freaking nobody who is trying to be relevant. I used to respect him. He sold out integrity to get paid.
How’s this for stats. Michael Jordan in 11 Full Seasons with Bulls:
6 championships
6 Finals MVPs
5 MVPs
10 Scoring Titles
9 First Team All-NBA Defense
1 DPOY award
3 Steals Champion
82 game seasons: 9
1 all star teammate
Lebron and Durant in 37 full seasons combined:
6 Championships
6 Finals MVPs
5 MVPs
5 Scoring Titles
5 First Team All-NBA Defense
O DPOY awards
O Steals Champion
82 Game seasons combined: 2
14 combined all star teammates
Don't forget the 40,000 points,too
@@terrywilliams4302 And only lead the league in scoring once 😂
@user-ji9vl9lg9i not saying lbj is the goat, but scoring leader is a meaningless stat. Harden led the league in scoring and he sucks.
@@ozz7602 true but the point I was trying to make is that he was only the best scorer once in his entire career and his 40k point total doesn't mean anything about his greatness but more so his longevity.
@@ozz7602being the scoring leader and leading your team to a championship is the true measure. Michael Jordan has achieved a scoring title and championship in the same season six times. This is more times than all of the nba players in history, COMBINED. Let that sink in
That's why bron could never be the goat😂😂😂😂 he's a weirdo for even thinking he's on mj level
why are they, keep saying lebron is the goat..that dude had a hard time to score a point on a freethrow line..😂😂😂 and yet they still pursue to broadcast lebron is the goat THAT'S IN YOUR MIND, but inside ur ❤ MJ is the goat if u truly love a basketball..
It's not a debate! LeBron ended the discussion when he created his super team. The discussion ended when King James became king, hoping.
LBJ not even top two. The fact that LeBron is in the conversation is because of the Klutch bs machine and his mouth pieces in the media.
0-11 against nuggets, thats your goat. Swept 3 times in playoff. Most turnovers ever, next year will br awarded most missed field goal of all time. MJ+pippen = 3 peat. LBJ+AD = SWEPT, didnt make playoff 2 times, first round exit 2 times. There's level.
Lestink trying every angle.. 🤣🤣
Gee, I wonder what would prompt someone to take it upon themselves to combing through game after game watching and counting steals and comparing them to the stat sheets over 25 years later? Did he do this to anyone else? Or just MJ the year he won an award that Lebron wishes he had because he thinks that’s all that separates them?
This is pathetic, and all you have to do was watch MJ play defense around that time. Harper is right.
The dude was dominating on both ends of the court. Even when MJ was older, he still played passing lanes better than anyone I've ever seen.
Jordan guarded bums such as Randy Whitman, Craig Ehlo, John Starks, Trent Tucker, Mike Woodson, and Jeff Hornacek. What a joke.
@@hitek9too255 Classic for someone salty about his team was defeated by MJ
My bullshit meter went to the roof! Goodluck destroying MJ's legacy. Those people should not be allowed to buy any Jordan brand.
The issue here is including Lebum in ANY goat talks…he never was, and will never be. Only MJ = 🐐. 💯
Shoot. Ron Harper is better than leflop 😂
If anybody wants to win a defensive player of the year award they have to put in work.
@@kenyontucker6469 bring robbed out of one is different especially when you was the best player that year
Being*
@@jakariesands9217 when LeBron was being considered he was on a far more dominant team. That is a huge detractor in comparison.
@@jakariesands9217 Go back and watch the game footage from that time period. James wasn't robbed of a DPOY, Marc Gasol was the superior defender, the defensive stats and game footage prove that. Gasol was the one who was robbed of a 1st Team All Defense selection!
@@theresak2024lol he was second team all defense
LBJ doesn't even belong to the GOAT conversation. He's not in the same breath as MJ. Anyone who has witnessed both MJ and LBJ's career would understand.
This is not up for debate. MJ wanted to win, he didn't care about stats. He did whatever he wanted, whenever he wanted, to whoever he wanted on the court, even telling the person or somebody they knew before the game. Lebron is a awesome player, but Mike is different. MJ DOMINATED period.
They really want us to believe that nobody watched game film back in the day to double check the accuracy of the stats.
But why would Bron and klutch be worried about what stats MJ had 30 years ago y'all crazy 🤔🙄
They wanna bring MJ down so they can Have LeTatiana As their goat
you are not seeing the big picture.. they need to tear down MJ's. legacy because LBJ knows he cant surpass him in accolades and accomplishments...maybe your the crazy one?
As a die-hard Lakers fan I would use Ron Harper's eye technique to watch for Jordan choking and then whining afterwards -- but that never happened. Not so with LeBron.
I haven't been a Lakers fan since LeBron joined.
Bottom line is, Lewhine shouldnt be mentioned as even clos to being a goat.. theres only MJ, Kobe... NUFF SAID!! Dont see why idiots keep trying to give more credito to that overrated supporting cast that needs All Stars on a team to win.. MJ& KB made everyone around them better!! Lechump didn't!!! Without all stars on his team, Lewhine would just be another Vlade Divac!!!😂😂
Why would LeBron aim to tear down a legacy of someone he idolized. That doesn't make any sense but regardless. This whole fake stat thing with Jordan is literally nothing new. Stockton's, Magic's, Lebron's, Kobe's Shaq etc. All have had their stats padded by scorekeepers. Acting like this is some sort of new revelation is ludicrous. Any LeBron Stan who thinks that this adds to his GOAT case is delusional and any jordan Stan who genuinely believes that LeBron and clutch sports would target him when they themselves know(klutch and Lebron) that score keeping isn't always 100% conclusive are fr just as delusional as the Lebron stans. I swear NBA discourse is so mind-boggling sometimes with their stupidity
MJ was given the GOAT title while lebalco James is desperately trying to BUY it 😂😂😂
KOBE, MAGIC...were both better than LeBron. He might be in top 5!😳🤷🏾♂️👍🏾
Nope. Was he even alive to witness the one of a kind greatness of MJ? He needs to stfu. Fact is they could never tear down Michael 🐐 Jordan’s Legacy. No matter what Labron does ever, can change the stats. so since LeBron don’t possess defensive player of the year award you gonna say that Jordan didn’t earn it because you’re trying to make LeBron on the same plateau as Jordan he simply will never make it
I'm sorry one brought us victory. Hell mj was part of the amateur team that whooped the nba Allstars in the 80s. Also undefeated I finals with 2 3peats. Mj is the goat. The record help LeBron has had on top of his loosing record in the finals are in my mind atleast clear indicators of his shortcomings
Who looks happier in this picture of Michael Jordan and LeBron James? Michael Jordan is more than satisfied with this moment because MJ is more than satisfied with both his career and his place in NBA history. LeBron James is wearing a dissatisfied smile because LeBron is still chasing The GOAT - Michael Jordan.
So unnecessary. If LeBron is personally involved in this, it only hurts *his* legacy.
do u really think lebron is involved in this man 😂
@@habibprout9201 No. I said *IF* he's personally involved in this.
@habibprout9201 yeah I think lebron is indirectly involved.
Every since lebron has been crying about not winning a DPOY award over Marc Gasol then all of a sudden Jordan DPOY award is questioned hence why lebron is Involved.
U can act oblivious to this all u want but u lebron fan boys ain't fooling anyone.
Nice try though
Accusing Jordan of what they are doing to Lebron😂
Lebron James and his entire camp are pathetic.
They must hang out with Scotty
Jordan...period...enough said..
This comes from a Real NBA player btw who i would actually listen to. not no reporters, analyst or who aren’t even on this level🤷🏾♂️ hey it just my opinion
Lefraud would get demolished by prime Dominique Wilkins and Barkley, the list goes on. Clutch sports needs to stop comparing Jordan with LeFlop
Imagine what Hakeem would do to him. Watch the footage of him trying to teach LeBron post moves. Dream would have stolen the ball from him every time, that's before he does anything on offense.
Simply put X-man and Anthony Mason instead.
LeToxic
Jordan is the GOAT; Lebron is the KING. "We can enjoy one without tearing down one." - Kobe Bryant
Appreciate.🙏🏾❤️👑🏀🌎👏🏾
calling another man King is wild.
Lebron should have more 1st team all defense teams then
Wtf does that have to do with anything?
Marc won DPotY in 2013 and barely made all defense 2nd team that season.
Kawhi is a 2x DPotY winner and he's made all defense 7 times to Lebron's 6.
LeBron acts like a scorned woman who is mad that MJ never embraced him like he did Kobe. He's been on a mission ever since like a man still mad about his Daddy issues which he's taking out on Jordan.
The eye test means nothing if you don’t know what you are looking at or what to look for
Ron harper, Shawn kemp,Robert Horry, john Sally, Byron scott, all talking shitt none of this trash ass players are not even in the HOF,LOL KINGJAMES 40,000!
Give me a break, MJ’s titles are with ONE team and none in a BUBBLE!!!! It’s okay to move around in search of a title but I don’t acknowledge the bubble title because teams were NOT at their best. Choosing the GOAT between MJ and LJ isn’t difficult MJ all the way!!!! My GOAT is the late GREAT Bill Russell with his 11 titles, eight in a row!!!!
Almost 40 years later ppl are questioning it? It's agenda and money driven.
If a business has a new product, they will ALWAYS market it as better, they make no money saying the new stuff isn't as good as the old stuff.
Once again the worst generation of all time.
Yet James will Never be #1 stats doesn't make you the best how you play does this is very Sad if he is really doing this even if they did Lebron will Never be seen in the same light as Magic Micheal Lary lsiah or Kobe they all have THE KILLER INSTINCT LEBRON DOESN'T he is to worried about people being nice to his son instead of letting him be a Man and Lebron doesn't want people to judge him remember he never used to take No Game WINNING SHOTS no back bone / Thickskin
Jordan also had the "benefit of the press"as for decades Jordans' 63 points against Boston in the playoffs has been vaunted without ever mentioning that Jordan lost the game AND the series,getting SWEPT 4-0 straight OUT of the post season WITH his 63 points!! 😮
Ron Harper nailed it. It's about the eye test mostly, not stats. Also Jordan should have won the DPOY in 87 but I bet Clutch won't talk about that. They'll just cry about LeBron being "robbed" of a DPOY.
Matter of Fact I guar dam tee that MJ is the GOAT. Kobe is next in line. Sorry Lebron you’re just a better version of Magic Johnson. If anyone is STAT padding it’s the King himself. Jordan put the Doberman in the Doberman defense. Lebron go enjoy your last year playing with your son and let your legacy speak for itself. I’m tired of hearing this stuff.
No.
James has no case for any GOAT status. No one believes that aside from his Stanzboys, and people who are bought off, or being intimidated by KLUTCH.
Don't cap.
And all this has done is open the Pandora's Box for James and his sycophants, as people are now going back over James' games with the same eye, and it isn't going well for their fake ass, wannabe GOAT at all.
Talk about inflated stats.
Lebron is NOT considered top 2 by anybody who actually knows basketball AND knows how to play basketball. He's nowhere close to MJ. He's also not #2. He's really not top 5. Some say he's at least top 10. I don't.
most people DO NOT consider LeEGO as the GOAT. The knowledgeable ones don't even consider him Top 5. I don't have him in my Top 10, ftm. Stats do not make a winner, nor do they equate to greatness.
All you gotta do is ask who wears LeBrons shoes inda NBA?🤔🤨😂😂😂😂 Or soccer baseball golf football bowling music artist plus more🤨? No one does but Jordans brand shoes who's the goat LeBron get outta here 😂
What this is really about is a Jedi Mind Trick from Bron/Klutch responding to all of the more recent criticism of Bron's career of refs fixing for him, him especially in his older years being allowed to travel and in fact basing his whole bag on stiff arming to the travel move to jumping into the defender then transitioning into a flop, not getting back on D instead instantly whining to the refs while the other team scores on a fast break. Stat padding, leaving his man wide open then blaming all his teammates not named AD.
Goats don't call themselves the goat. They don't flop, choke, pick up the ball and run with it, quit on their teams, create super teams, take PEDs, get coaches fired and hired and never take accountability. I'll say it for the thousandth time LeFraud isn't top 10 for all of these reasons. There's nothing I like about him ever since I stopped supporting him when he choked epically in the '11 Finals after be cocky.
BS the GOAT flopper, travelling,charging,whining and double dribble is in fact Lechump. MJ Goat #1 Kobe Goat#2 Lepunk is a top 100 wnba player tho
No one truly thinks LeBron is the GOAT. No one can honestly make a case for him that is centered around common sense. Name one GOAT, in any sport, that has a losing championship record. Name one GOAT that ran to form a super team in his prime. Name a GOAT that had an epic meltdown on the biggest stage. Name a GOAT whose agency has to infiltrate sports media to prop up their guy, while tearing down other’s legacies. Name another GOAT, who allowed other teams to build dynastys at their team’s expense. Bron never wanted to compete. He just wanted instant success by taking the easy route. He’s not a GOAT. Not even close.
Lebaby is getting PETTY because Jordan has NEVER SAID HE WAS THE G.O.A.T!!! Players are Calling Jordan the G.O.A.T