Ya know. This channel is wildly underrated. No hyper active drama, no clickbaity burnouts and shenanigans. Just straight cool, car guy talk and content. A true car guys channel.
That might be why its so underrated. Unfortunately UA-cam seems to reward clickbait and shenanigans. When I was getting back into working out I looked at Scooby's Workshop who has been one of the most influential fitness people for the past decade and he didn't even have a million subscribers which is just wild. Its all the clickbaity people trying to sell you junk supplements getting the spotlight unfortunately.
Non-BS, educational video from Dan The F'ing Man, and a cup of coffee on a Sunday morning. Great start to my day. I hope you have a great day as well, Captain Awesome!
I’m so happy you made this video. I own a manual Murcielago and an Aventador and everyone thinks the manual gearbox is better but it’s not - it’s just a different technique. I really liked the way you explained how the e-gear system worked. From driving my Aventador and from reading the owners manual (which recommends you keep your foot on the throttle when shifting up or down) that lifting off the throttle on upshifts is unnecessary. So the owners manual is correct. One thing your review didn’t cover was whether driving it in Automatic mode wears the clutch. When I am driving to a new destination I sometimes put the car in auto mode to concentrate on navigation rather than on shiting and navigation. My thoughts were that auto mode shouldn’t make a difference to clutch wear. What do you think? I love your honesty and also scientific and logical approach to supercar ownership. Thank you again.
I used to work in a performance shop that serviced these regularly. It was wild how one guy replaced his clutch every 2500-4000 miles and others would see even 50k miles. Hard launches are very hard on these clutches since the wheels keep traction and the clutch slips.
When you have the clutch out, finally, get a set of calipers and measure how much media is still bonded on each side of the disk @ 20%. And get a dimension of the new on prior to install, to compare.
i thought i did ALL my research before getting my gallardo, but somehow missed this channel. kudos for the straightforward, no bs style. i love it - subbed!
Glad to see you do this video. We bought a 2012 Audi R8 V10 to replace a C8 Corvette and everyone was flipping out because I bought the R-Tronic trans, same as your E-Gear. As others have mentioned, it’s either people who have never owned or never will own this type of car who go on social media tirades, or fear from owners who are not likely to do any of there own maintenance. As I noted in one of my videos, no one bitches about the Aventador, mostly R8, Gallardo, 430, etc. I will be looking forward to your changing the clutch to see how 22% looks! Well done again.
Say that again mate same here I never see any comments shitting on the aventadors robotized gearbox but they will absolutely shit on the gallardo and r8
Many people who can afford these cars believe sales people and mechanics and anything they were told if they are not mechanically inclined or don’t know a lot about cars. Thank you for making these kinds of videos because people are sold so much fear and they absorb it. Internet makes it worse as people repeat what they hear and read on the Internet without first-hand knowledge.
Great content on the system. Try a clutch re-learn procedure when starting. I have always done these on the E-gear, F1 and Sportshift systems. It makes the changes so much better. You can also easily install a lightweight twin plate clutch. These tend to last longer and absolutely transform the car. Not just the shift speed but also the pickup. This change is a must for most dry single plate clutches in the UK market.
Perfect timing! Had the clutch on my F430 replaced last week. The difference is absolutely incredible. Certainly not like a dual clutch, but wow, way less slippage when I first get going, and the shifts are way more crisp.
Great content, Dan! Can’t wait to see how labor intensive the clutch replacement is. As good as my dual clutch is, to me a single clutch enhances the driving experience
Another good suggestion: ALWAYS use Sport Mode. When you start the car, turn on Sport mode. Every time. Sport mode does less feathering of the clutch and engages faster and your clutch lasts longer. You gotta kind of punch the gas a little more aggressively. EDIT - AH HA! Typed that before you covered it! HANDLED!
Hi, totally agree. Unless you have zero mechanical feeling, it's easy to know when you're stressing the clutch. Reverse and first gear at low speed in steep slope is the worse. Do not underrev in first and second as it will not fully engage below 1500/1800: Not for traffic jam. Also pay attention how often and how long the pump is running. This can show a weak pump or internal leakage in the actuator. On Ferrari/Maserati replace the infamous pump relay before it kills your pump.
Do you have, or can you share or post a video of a list of major maintenance points and service intervals for the gallardo? Looking for a list of every fluid and just regular maintenance area to check on our LP550-2. Thanks & very informative video about the clutch life! I wish I had a tool to see what my percentage is at!
I have also heard that a lot of single clutches get damaged on cars that get trailered everywhere! Going slowly or walking speed maneuvering is very hard on single clutch transmissions.
Great video on the system . Had my 2000 360 TCU reflashed to CS profile . Was like a new car. Lightening fast gear changes , minimal clutch wear Looking forward to the clutch change video. I think you will be able to adjust the new PIS with your Launch 431. 👍
This. Once the clutch becomes warn the time for the clutch to engage becomes a bit longer than you would want. Putting a new clutch in this car will drive a lot better, especially with a re calibration of the clutch system.
I agree with you! I don't put into N while waiting for the light. Sometimes I'm having trouble engaging from N to 1st, and it would jump to 2nd instead.
I had an E-60 BMW M5, the one with the V-10. It had the SMG (sequential manual gearbox) transmission. It is the same as this clutch. I had it replaced by the BMW dealer and they told me to lift off of the throttle, just slightly, when up shifting. This made the shifts smoother and caused less wear on the clutch. Also, do not use launch control. These are drag cars. I drove mine hard, shifted at red line, and always down shifted coming into curves. I got about 60,000 miles out of the clutch.
That was incredibly helpful and informative! I feel much more secure about driving my 08 gallardo the way it’s intended to be driven without sweating about the clutch. Thanks Dave!
was able to improve shifting on my 2008 F-1 F430 by using Royal purple PS fluid in the F-1 system and royal purple gear oil in the transmission ! They were recommended to me by a petroleum engineer ! he said they were the best,available liked their additive package and based on results, I agree ! Smoother , faster shifting ! royal purple a good ol'🇺🇸 texas oil company ! 🙂
Great info Dan...thank you..... next car should be a regular Gallardo and compare it to this one......there are many priced right that need a little love..... and since you have the new merch, why not ?? Great stuff as usual.... happy Sunday !!!
Nicely put across. I like to say it a manual gearbox that is automatically controlled. Not an auto gearbox. Same gearbox and clutch as a manual car . Also quicker 0 to 60 lol
Dan, you need to recalibrate your eGear. Start the car. Put it in neutral. Hold in both paddles for 20 seconds until the system starts the calibration. Then, go test drive it again. You'll find the herky jerky to be far less. Do this often as the clutch wears. You're welcome. Congratulations again on UPGRADING to Lamborghini 👍
As a former F430 owner, I’m sure you are aware. On a single clutch car, if you lift the throttle slightly when shifting it eases the clutch and provides a smoother shift and less clutch wear. I had an E60 M5 with the SMG transmission and got 60,000 miles before I needed a new clutch.
Also, you forgot to mention SPORT-AUTO mode. Press SPORT and then press AUTO. It's full AUTO in SPORT mode and gives you both. I don't like it, but it is something else available with these vehicles.
About clutch life, in my 575, the clutch lasted about 43 thousand kilometers. I had about 4% left😅. It stopped working on the highway in KL and I created a massive jam of mostly rubberneckers making pictures. My 5 minutes of fame… the previous owner mostly drove the car in auto mode which doesn’t help, so I agree with Dan about the longevity of these clutches if properly handled. Luckily labour is cheaper in Asia that with you guys in the US.
Love the new t shirt big fella, also will be interested in seeing the old clutch when you swap in the new one, great information about these gearboxes too, Rj in Oz
Best video in a while. It might take a bit of time to get lots of views on it but as techy, this is what I like and can relate to. I wished I was closer geographically to you guys to get into driving events.
Guy in my neighborhood had a black 599. For a while. I would occasionally pass him as he was puttering along the boulevard doing 35. There is a street that goes for about a block up a steep hill from the beach to the civic center that gets a fair amount of traffic and traffic backs up at the traffic light. One day my wife and I were walking down to the beach and there was a line of cars waiting for the light. The light changed to green and the line of cars started moving, except halfway down the hill the 599 was lurching back and forth with the engine being revved and white smoke pouring from the rear end. I delicately averted my gaze as we walked past the sad scene. That was the last time I saw that car around the neighborhood. I wonder if the driver was treating the car like it had a regular torque converter automatic, and holding it on the hill by applying light throttle instead of using the brake.
I've only driven the Ferrari F1, but once you get used to it it's easy to feel when the clutch is fully engaged, or being slipped. It should only slip the clutch in first or reverse; and avoid Auto mode completely. As regards the Sport/Race settings and the suspension softness, if you're in second or above clutch slip will be minimal. I know US cars don't usually have it, but if you use Launch Control it can kill the clutch in a handfull of goes. But if you're buying one of these cars the number of launches can be read of the ECU, together with estimated clutch life.
So many 360 and F430 owners I know all say to keep the car in Sport mode to significantly extend the life of the clutch due to less feathering by the control system, similar to what you described with reverse and slow starts. Added benefit, Sport mode is more fun. :)
I had my eGear actuator go out 2 months after I bought my ‘05 with 22k miles on it. That was fun. Back order everywhere and dealer part price was $7500 IF they could get it. I found one rebuilt on eBay for $3500 after the core refund (so $4500 up front 1k back for the old one). Another $1k to put it in. Runs perfect now but that was exciting. Lol eGear was considered a bad word in my home for a while. Lol Definitely gotta pay to play with these cars. 💰
My friend had a Superlegerra at one point and ended up replacing his clutch because he did exactly what you talked about, which was moving the car up a steep hill in reverse. "Smells like clutch. Hm" an unfortunate thing, but it makes sense on why it does that the way it is fluttering the clutch.
@@normalguysupercar yeah the first time i heard about that on an e-gear i was kind of surprised, but hearing your explanation of why it does that makes a lot more sense. I just remember people saying, "e-gear + hills + reverse = bad." spendy way to ruin a clutch. They are still fantastic cars with an amazing sound. He sold his superlegerra and followed it up with a gated murci that was the old SP Engineering test mule, and that car sounded innnnncredible. He's on the hunt for another Superlegerra again. He really really loved that car.
my Maserati Cambiocorsa only lasts about 20K in clutch life. I was able to have mine replaced for only $2500 at my local independent Ferrari shop. Interesting fact, my friend's Alfa 4C has the same pump sound when the door is open or unlocked.
Yep your correct. I had the clutch replaced at a dealer, and it was 10K for the F-430. I have a single car garage and my car barely fits in there. I also live in an HOA, so they would not allow anyone to do a job like that outside.
I do not know about the other F1 style single clutch manuals, but BMW's SMG3 is not a "normal standard transmission". Because there is no need for a shifter linkage BMW was free to place the gears where ever they wanted on the power shaft in the trans. As a result they put the two highest torque gears (1st and 2nd) on opposite ends of the shift so each gear is immediately next to a shaft bearing in the trans housing. Then they installed the rest of the gears in progressive alternating order from the outer edges so 7th is in the middle of the shaft. As a result there is no way to design a manual shift linkage for the trans or convert it to a linkage operated manual.
@@normalguysupercar The SMG3 was the only BMW purpose built F1 box. The prior versions were normal manuals with hydraulic actuators retro fitted on them.
Love the new content! Some questions: Could you please explain more about the herky jerky at low speeds? Why is that happening? Is it possible to re-manufacturere/re-line the clutch? Similarly refurb the throw out assembly with a new bearing.
If I had one of these cars, I would love for it to kind of have a slightly pronounced shift. I feel it’s keeping in character with the type of car, especially if you have a Superleggera, Challenge Stradale, Scuderia etc.
Brother I have always left my gallardo in neutral with parking brake when I park it in my garage (flat surface) does it do any harm? Have never parked it in gear.
Great video, Dan. I’m getting ready to put a clutch in my 08 430 and was wondering what tool the shop needs to do the install properly, I.e., to set the engagement point. Thanks
They need a computer that can set the calibration points for the clutch. On the Ferraris you can probably get away with one of the upper end Launch X431 models.
They don't *all* last 40,000 miles. At all. I've owned several Ferraris, 360 and 430. In the 355 and early 360 (so about pre 2002), you will be lucky getting 20k miles to a clutch. They ride the clutch far too much moving off, sometimes multiple times before it engages. Secondly, reverse gear is far too high (basically like 2nd gear), so moving off when reversing is horrible on the clutch. By 2002, Ferrari started listening to complaints and made big improvements. So clutch wear WHEN YOU HAVE A 2002 OR LATER TCU (gearbox ecu) (always check someone hasn't retrofitted an old TCU into your 2002 or later car!!!) you will get more like 30,000 miles. The Challenge Stradale TCU offers very sharp (violent) changes in Race Mode (this can be retrofitted in all 360) and will also give something like 30-35k. Keep the 360 permanently in manual Sport (or Race in the CS) mode to achieve this. 430s again will give about 30-35k (or more, if very careful) per clutch. I don't have particular knowledge of Lamborghini, but my instinct is that the Gallardo does seem to provide sharper shifts (ie less riding moving off) and seem to offer around 40k per clutch. It the jump in tech around 2002 did seem to improve the single clutch situation a lot. (I've heard Aventador clutch life can be absolutely awful, like 10k per clutch - tho I'm not a Lambo expert) Few things to note: - clutch calibration is key. The best specialists can calibrate your car to provide better driving characteristics and longer clutch life. There's a lot of parameters involved and these guys know what works - if someone has re-used a battered flywheel (to save money), this will give you less clutch life - the state of the release bearing is also critical (*always* put a new Hill Engineering bearing when doing the clutch - the bearing only lasts one clutch cycle) - "auto mode" is generally bad for clutch life, it will slip between gears more to provide a sense of smoothness (= bad) - reversing is generally bad (reversing uphill is very, very bad) - stop start traffic driving is also bad. It will reduce your clutch life a lot. Try and keep to open roads, where these cars belong. These are not friendly daily cars or commuters - always try to upgrade the TCU if / where possible. It will pay you back - DO NOT launch the car in 1st gear. Just don't do it. DO NOT keep on driving hard if the clutch overheat warning comes on, driving gently and allowing it to cool will get you home, but overheating suggests something is worn and needs replacing.. They don't often do this so pay attention if they do - if there's any chance of saving and re-using the flywheel don't keep driving the car once it is slipping. You will fully dish the flywheel and it will become unusable - the flywheel in the 430 is quite thin. It * can * be reused once, but that's it. Some people reuse it twice and are asking for trouble. The 360 flywheel is a little thicker and can often be reused. - DO NOT use any kind of aftermarket clutches. The OE clutches are very very slightly dished out of the box and must be within a certain tolerance to match with the flywheel. Machining these parts flat (as you can get away with in manual cars) will simply give you a horribly hard gear change. The OE dishing is there is smooth out the characteristics of the drive. You need to get the F1 or E Gear spec parts for an F1 / E Gear car. - it's a good idea to change both gearbox and F1 fluids yearly or at least every 2 years. - doing fairly regular "actuator relearns" is worth doing (this can be done at home using a fairly basic Launch X431 OBD tool) - lastly, always let the car naturally warm up (you can drive at low revs) before you kick the car above 4k revs. These cars do not enjoy being cold. At all. Oh and aside from all of that the following parts can also require maintenance in a single clutch car: - actuator (they leak or just become malfunctional) - actuator solenoid valves - F1 pump and motor (they burn out) - F1 relay (burns out) - F1 hoses (can split and leak) - accumulator (loses necessary pressure) - variety of sensors (they can just stop working or are sometimes prone to actuator leak contamination) (f430 has a host of extra E-diff sensors) Etc etc.. - -
It's awful in the Lambo, not gonna lie. We got caught in a bad accident on the freeway the night we got ours and had to stop and go for about an hour. Ours is an LP car and does the herky jerky too!
Great video Dan- In your opinion do you prefer the F1 or E-gear system? I'm looking at a supercar purchase in the next 12 mos and was only focused on DCT equipped vehicles. After seeing your explanation I think I'm open to 430/Gallarado era vehicles now.
We have an LP550 and also had experience in the superleggera of Dan's year. They are nearly identical to me, E-gear wise, the Superleggera just rides a bit stiffer.
Almost all of Lamborghini single clutch setups have upgrade kevlar clutches that last longer than the original 40k. The clutches can be purchased off Alibaba because its all Chinese now. When you start researching the internals of this car outside of engine components, ITS CHEAP. The suspension simply dosent work on this car, and NEEDS a aftermarket upgrade. Then the car can come into its own as a performance vehicle, but without a suspension upgrade its simply a buckboard car. These were problems highlighted YEARS AGO on many exotic car forums.
Very nice job. Simple explanation of a complex system. One thing I read in am owner's manual: can't remember if it was Ferrari's or MB AMG, was that they advised against braking the car with downshifting. Any idea of why or comments about that?
@@normalguysupercar . I didn't say you said it. I am saying that I read it in an owner's manual. I was asking if you know why they would advise against braking the car by downshifting.
Well done explanation of E-Gear and F-1 clutches. I own both. I use sport mode in the Gallardo but not in the 360 as I like the suspension setting in normal mode. My Ferrari had 55% left when I bought it at 13K mi. It now has 29K and its reading 45% left. So, you definitely can "save" your clutch with proper driving. You didn't mention NOT using Auto mode (other that you are not a fan); does that wear a clutch out more than paddle shifting? Urban legend says yes. Finally, were the clutch and throwout bearing OEM parts/prices from a Lambo dealer? They seemed high. Did you consider a Kevlar clutch?
So 5k and that pays yourself the labor it costs to DIY clutch kit. I can't even imagine buying any tools to work on something like that eff ing work of art, & I think a 458 would be a fun experience to feel that road
I posted about the possibility of a rebuilt clutch for this car. There are outfits that will do custom rebuilds. The post was removed for some reason. Possibly because I included a website address of a company that does this work. I think you would do the normal guy super car community a service by trying a rebuilt clutch and confirming/disproving this approach. Samcrac did it with a Ferrari and seemed to have good luck with it at less than half the price of a new OEM clutch if I recall correctly. Let’s face it. It’s just a diaphragm spring and a plate with friction linings. No reason it should cost $4000.
Now that would be a popular manual swap, but damn, a hydrobot doing that would be euphoric! As an excuse to use the paddles, I would pop it into neutral, and coast as long as possible up to every stop. I cannot wait for the yt vid about: (ex.)(do not do) (jj) (incorrect) (might exist?) Hack ing in by-unlocking passenger door, flip the key to on 9 times, hit the gas pedal three times, pop it to 1st, and it does a fresh calibration of the clutch, no dark weeebing. 🙄🏁🤖
I have always wondered why these clutches don't last long. Heck in a corvette it last longer even when riding them rough. I never understood that part. I would think it should last at least 80,000 miles.
Neutral. One thing I had heard was not being sat at the lights in N. It was when slowing down, to pop it into N. This is stop the car downshifting itself to 1st, and feathering the clutch during slowing down putti g it into 1st then disengaging when Stopped.
@@normalguysupercar Possibly was not clear. If you a rolling at low speed in 1st, the clutch will be feathering. You'll be riding the clutch. Therefore, when you are coming to a stop the clutch does not completely disengage. It feathers it. This feathering of the clutch, is a benefit if you are crawling in traffic and then want to set off. But, if you are coming to a stop it is unnecessary and wears the clutch. The point with these clutches is positive engagement. Dabbing the accelerator, at low speed engages then disengaged the clutch - it rides it. (I've had a 4200 Maserati and a Gallardo)
Whats your thoughts about shifting? Some people say they treat it just like a standard manual and take there foot off the gas while shifting, frankly i never did this with my 430 but i know people who do and i think it sounds ridiculous, lol. Congrats on the new car Dan, its awesome. I had mine brand new and loved it but I had it in Manhattan so it wasn't the greatest car for there and didnt keep it all that long lol.
Seems like lambo parts are even more money than ferrari parts. My F355 clutch disc and pressure plate was 1,100 bucks about 3 years ago. I'm thinking of getting a gallardo spider eventually. I like the 06 to 08 gallardos because I don't like direct injection and the problems that come with it, such as carboned up valves, failed high pressure pumps, injectors etc. Thoughts?
Gen1 R8 has a similar system, my car has 37k miles and there’s 68% left. Not uncommon for r8 to hit 60-100k miles on the original clutch. My scud has 14.5k miles and 70% left. Somehow the myth is murcielago ones seem to only last 10-15k miles…
I have been looking at Maserati GTs and I noticed a lot of these cars are sold at a certain mileage. Now I know another reason why ? Not even sure the GT has this type of clutch (will have to research that) but I see many for sale around the 35k miles range.
The automated manual "MC-Shift" was only available in NA for one year in the GT, I'm reasonably sure but not 100% certain. The rest have a ZF torque converter 6 speed.
So how much time did you spend trying to figure out the "prerequisite" instructions on the service manual for the G? I literally spend more time jumping around the manual doing this than fixing anything. Oh and it's kind of impossible to print out 350 pages of that damn pdf. Super excited to see the clutch job
Ya know. This channel is wildly underrated. No hyper active drama, no clickbaity burnouts and shenanigans. Just straight cool, car guy talk and content. A true car guys channel.
Well thank you! That's what I'm aiming for.
That might be why its so underrated. Unfortunately UA-cam seems to reward clickbait and shenanigans. When I was getting back into working out I looked at Scooby's Workshop who has been one of the most influential fitness people for the past decade and he didn't even have a million subscribers which is just wild. Its all the clickbaity people trying to sell you junk supplements getting the spotlight unfortunately.
Agree 100%. Great practical insight from a normal guy!
Preach
would also like to know how many of those folks 'Who claim to know' actually owned one...like how many of these where there 4 billion!!!
Love seeing someone give a FAIR analysis these transmissions AFTER having years of ownership experience
Yup! I've owned and driven a whole lot of miles on these cars now.
14:47 dude just casually taking a photo of the Gallardo, gotta love to see it!
Lol happens all the time
Haha I came here to comment this same thing.
Non-BS, educational video from Dan The F'ing Man, and a cup of coffee on a Sunday morning. Great start to my day. I hope you have a great day as well, Captain Awesome!
Thank you!
I’m so happy you made this video. I own a manual Murcielago and an Aventador and everyone thinks the manual gearbox is better but it’s not - it’s just a different technique.
I really liked the way you explained how the e-gear system worked.
From driving my Aventador and from reading the owners manual (which recommends you keep your foot on the throttle when shifting up or down) that lifting off the throttle on upshifts is unnecessary. So the owners manual is correct.
One thing your review didn’t cover was whether driving it in Automatic mode wears the clutch.
When I am driving to a new destination I sometimes put the car in auto mode to concentrate on navigation rather than on shiting and navigation.
My thoughts were that auto mode shouldn’t make a difference to clutch wear. What do you think?
I love your honesty and also scientific and logical approach to supercar ownership. Thank you again.
The only reason auto might wear it more is it may be shifting more. Otherwise it has no effect.
I used to work in a performance shop that serviced these regularly. It was wild how one guy replaced his clutch every 2500-4000 miles and others would see even 50k miles. Hard launches are very hard on these clutches since the wheels keep traction and the clutch slips.
Yup!
When you have the clutch out, finally, get a set of calipers and measure how much media is still bonded on each side of the disk @ 20%. And get a dimension of the new on prior to install, to compare.
I'll check them out
That will be interesting to see!
i thought i did ALL my research before getting my gallardo, but somehow missed this channel. kudos for the straightforward, no bs style. i love it - subbed!
Welcome aboard!
Glad to see you do this video. We bought a 2012 Audi R8 V10 to replace a C8 Corvette and everyone was flipping out because I bought the R-Tronic trans, same as your E-Gear. As others have mentioned, it’s either people who have never owned or never will own this type of car who go on social media tirades, or fear from owners who are not likely to do any of there own maintenance. As I noted in one of my videos, no one bitches about the Aventador, mostly R8, Gallardo, 430, etc.
I will be looking forward to your changing the clutch to see how 22% looks! Well done again.
Yeah most people crapping on these haven't driven them and are simply regurgitating what they read on some forum.
Say that again mate same here I never see any comments shitting on the aventadors robotized gearbox but they will absolutely shit on the gallardo and r8
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Good luck with the dealership. I’m glad to hear that you’re expanding your business.
Thanks!
Many people who can afford these cars believe sales people and mechanics and anything they were told if they are not mechanically inclined or don’t know a lot about cars. Thank you for making these kinds of videos because people are sold so much fear and they absorb it. Internet makes it worse as people repeat what they hear and read on the Internet without first-hand knowledge.
I hate all the hyperbolic bs spread about these cars.
Great content on the system. Try a clutch re-learn procedure when starting. I have always done these on the E-gear, F1 and Sportshift systems. It makes the changes so much better. You can also easily install a lightweight twin plate clutch. These tend to last longer and absolutely transform the car. Not just the shift speed but also the pickup. This change is a must for most dry single plate clutches in the UK market.
Interesting
Perfect timing! Had the clutch on my F430 replaced last week. The difference is absolutely incredible. Certainly not like a dual clutch, but wow, way less slippage when I first get going, and the shifts are way more crisp.
Awesome! I'm hoping that the new clutch makes the super g behave a little better.
Great content, Dan! Can’t wait to see how labor intensive the clutch replacement is. As good as my dual clutch is, to me a single clutch enhances the driving experience
If you like jerky jerky, it sure does. If one like smooth instantaneous engagement with no throttle interruption, not so much.
I like both. The raw shifts can be fun in the right mood, but so can the lightning fast shifts of a dct.
I have a Porsche twin turbo 991. Thinking of selling it soon and stepping in to a Gallardo
Nice!
Exactly! I love the single clutch in the R8 Rtronic! Can’t wait to see you guys replace it!
You bet!
Another good suggestion: ALWAYS use Sport Mode. When you start the car, turn on Sport mode. Every time. Sport mode does less feathering of the clutch and engages faster and your clutch lasts longer. You gotta kind of punch the gas a little more aggressively. EDIT - AH HA! Typed that before you covered it! HANDLED!
Lol yup!
Thanks for clearing it all up.. makes total sense. I drive mine in sport mode always. Great vid and info!
You're welcome
Hi, totally agree. Unless you have zero mechanical feeling, it's easy to know when you're stressing the clutch. Reverse and first gear at low speed in steep slope is the worse. Do not underrev in first and second as it will not fully engage below 1500/1800: Not for traffic jam. Also pay attention how often and how long the pump is running. This can show a weak pump or internal leakage in the actuator. On Ferrari/Maserati replace the infamous pump relay before it kills your pump.
Yes if the pump is cycling for long periods or very frequently, that's not good. Also if the pump changes pitch that can be a sign it's dying.
Great video Dan! Your advice here is spot on. Super looking forward to your clutch replacement series! You da man Dan! 👍🏼
You bet!
What's up dude! haha of course I would find you here! cya buddy!
Do you have, or can you share or post a video of a list of major maintenance points and service intervals for the gallardo? Looking for a list of every fluid and just regular maintenance area to check on our LP550-2. Thanks & very informative video about the clutch life! I wish I had a tool to see what my percentage is at!
I don't have one yet
Looking forward to the clutch install vid! 👍🏻
Me too
same here
I have also heard that a lot of single clutches get damaged on cars that get trailered everywhere! Going slowly or walking speed maneuvering is very hard on single clutch transmissions.
I could see that
Great video on the system . Had my 2000 360 TCU reflashed to CS profile . Was like a new car. Lightening fast gear changes , minimal clutch wear
Looking forward to the clutch change video. I think you will be able to adjust the new PIS with your Launch 431. 👍
This. Once the clutch becomes warn the time for the clutch to engage becomes a bit longer than you would want. Putting a new clutch in this car will drive a lot better, especially with a re calibration of the clutch system.
Yeah I've heard many people sing praises for the cs tcu. I'm hopeful that when done with the new clutch it will behave a little better.
Learned a lot, nicely done. Thank you. Wish they did a zf8 in these.....sort of kidding but sort of not.
Those are good trans
I agree with you! I don't put into N while waiting for the light. Sometimes I'm having trouble engaging from N to 1st, and it would jump to 2nd instead.
I hate that
Same problem!
LMAO at the passenger in the white pickup truck video taping you on the highway. Well at least it wasn’t the driver. 😜
True!
Avant-Garde Xotics's had a video on their channel of e-gear transmission shifting outside of the car, it was kinda neat to see it in action.
Very cool
Great info. Answered some questions for my F1 Trans. Thanks Dan.
You bet!
I had an E-60 BMW M5, the one with the V-10. It had the SMG (sequential manual gearbox) transmission. It is the same as this clutch. I had it replaced by the BMW dealer and they told me to lift off of the throttle, just slightly, when up shifting. This made the shifts smoother and caused less wear on the clutch. Also, do not use launch control. These are drag cars. I drove mine hard, shifted at red line, and always down shifted coming into curves. I got about 60,000 miles out of the clutch.
That's pretty good
That was incredibly helpful and informative! I feel much more secure about driving my 08 gallardo the way it’s intended to be driven without sweating about the clutch. Thanks Dave!
You bet
was able to improve shifting on my 2008 F-1 F430 by using Royal purple PS fluid in the F-1 system and royal purple gear oil in the transmission !
They were recommended to me by a petroleum engineer ! he said they were the best,available liked their additive package and based on results, I agree ! Smoother , faster shifting !
royal purple a good ol'🇺🇸 texas oil company ! 🙂
Cool
Great info Dan...thank you..... next car should be a regular Gallardo and compare it to this one......there are many priced right that need a little love..... and since you have the new merch, why not ?? Great stuff as usual.... happy Sunday !!!
Thanks! I may do that
Nicely put across. I like to say it a manual gearbox that is automatically controlled. Not an auto gearbox. Same gearbox and clutch as a manual car . Also quicker 0 to 60 lol
Yup!
Thank you. Got Maserati GranSport with the single clutch. Love it a lot! I assume the general principle of what you said is applicable to GS as well.
Indeed
Dan, you need to recalibrate your eGear. Start the car. Put it in neutral. Hold in both paddles for 20 seconds until the system starts the calibration. Then, go test drive it again. You'll find the herky jerky to be far less. Do this often as the clutch wears. You're welcome. Congratulations again on UPGRADING to Lamborghini 👍
I'll check that out
Please document everything on that clutch replacement please! I'm here, in part, to understand how to maintain my lamborghini.
We will
Same! Can't wait to watch his video!
Man always great info, with so much miss information going around
Thanks
Thanks for all the tips. I own Gallardo LP550 RW drive 2012 model . It’s great.
Nice!
Hey we have an LP550-2 as well! Mind sharing your VIN? They are pretty rare!
As a former F430 owner, I’m sure you are aware. On a single clutch car, if you lift the throttle slightly when shifting it eases the clutch and provides a smoother shift and less clutch wear. I had an E60 M5 with the SMG transmission and got 60,000 miles before I needed a new clutch.
Smooth isn't how you get it to last longer
I absolutely agree with what he said about the dealerships lying to customers about the snap test .
Yeah they just want to scare people into spending money sometimes
Also, you forgot to mention SPORT-AUTO mode. Press SPORT and then press AUTO. It's full AUTO in SPORT mode and gives you both. I don't like it, but it is something else available with these vehicles.
I'm just not a big fan of auto mode
About clutch life, in my 575, the clutch lasted about 43 thousand kilometers. I had about 4% left😅. It stopped working on the highway in KL and I created a massive jam of mostly rubberneckers making pictures. My 5 minutes of fame… the previous owner mostly drove the car in auto mode which doesn’t help, so I agree with Dan about the longevity of these clutches if properly handled. Luckily labour is cheaper in Asia that with you guys in the US.
Yeah that's about right
Love the new t shirt big fella, also will be interested in seeing the old clutch when you swap in the new one, great information about these gearboxes too, Rj in Oz
We will certainly see the old clutch
Great info Dan! I'd still take your Gated 6 conversion over an automated manual any day!
Well sure. Me too! Lol
Best video in a while. It might take a bit of time to get lots of views on it but as techy, this is what I like and can relate to. I wished I was closer geographically to you guys to get into driving events.
Thanks!
Great video and advice!
You bet
Guy in my neighborhood had a black 599. For a while. I would occasionally pass him as he was puttering along the boulevard doing 35.
There is a street that goes for about a block up a steep hill from the beach to the civic center that gets a fair amount of traffic and traffic backs up at the traffic light. One day my wife and I were walking down to the beach and there was a line of cars waiting for the light. The light changed to green and the line of cars started moving, except halfway down the hill the 599 was lurching back and forth with the engine being revved and white smoke pouring from the rear end. I delicately averted my gaze as we walked past the sad scene. That was the last time I saw that car around the neighborhood.
I wonder if the driver was treating the car like it had a regular torque converter automatic, and holding it on the hill by applying light throttle instead of using the brake.
Eek
I've only driven the Ferrari F1, but once you get used to it it's easy to feel when the clutch is fully engaged, or being slipped. It should only slip the clutch in first or reverse; and avoid Auto mode completely. As regards the Sport/Race settings and the suspension softness, if you're in second or above clutch slip will be minimal. I know US cars don't usually have it, but if you use Launch Control it can kill the clutch in a handfull of goes. But if you're buying one of these cars the number of launches can be read of the ECU, together with estimated clutch life.
Yeah launching hard can wear the clutch for sure
So many 360 and F430 owners I know all say to keep the car in Sport mode to significantly extend the life of the clutch due to less feathering by the control system, similar to what you described with reverse and slow starts. Added benefit, Sport mode is more fun. :)
Race mode on the F430! Sport in the 360.
Just Subscribed because you are doing an amazing job. Great content and thanks for the videos.
I had my eGear actuator go out 2 months after I bought my ‘05 with 22k miles on it. That was fun. Back order everywhere and dealer part price was $7500 IF they could get it. I found one rebuilt on eBay for $3500 after the core refund (so $4500 up front 1k back for the old one). Another $1k to put it in. Runs perfect now but that was exciting. Lol eGear was considered a bad word in my home for a while. Lol Definitely gotta pay to play with these cars. 💰
For performance/supercars the cost to buy may come down, but the cost to own never will.
Yeah the actuators can go out and unfortunately it's not cheap!
Great video you nailed it I find most people that spread all these non-facts about these cars have never owned one much less never even driven one
Yup!
Excellent tips, especially the one at 13:46.
Thanks
Dan I'll be looking forward to see any repair work done on that beautiful Arancio Borealis Lamborghini!
Me too!
My friend had a Superlegerra at one point and ended up replacing his clutch because he did exactly what you talked about, which was moving the car up a steep hill in reverse. "Smells like clutch. Hm" an unfortunate thing, but it makes sense on why it does that the way it is fluttering the clutch.
Yeah that sucks. Not the first or last time we will hear of clutches going bye bye in reverse. Lol
@@normalguysupercar yeah the first time i heard about that on an e-gear i was kind of surprised, but hearing your explanation of why it does that makes a lot more sense. I just remember people saying, "e-gear + hills + reverse = bad." spendy way to ruin a clutch. They are still fantastic cars with an amazing sound. He sold his superlegerra and followed it up with a gated murci that was the old SP Engineering test mule, and that car sounded innnnncredible. He's on the hunt for another Superlegerra again. He really really loved that car.
my Maserati Cambiocorsa only lasts about 20K in clutch life. I was able to have mine replaced for only $2500 at my local independent Ferrari shop. Interesting fact, my friend's Alfa 4C has the same pump sound when the door is open or unlocked.
I think alfa uses the same pump
Learned a lot. Thanks
Anticipating learning a lot more when the project begins.
You bet
No debate here. You just made me more knowledgeable and confident.
Glad to help!
Love the new t shirt / logo
Thanks!
Yep your correct. I had the clutch replaced at a dealer, and it was 10K for the F-430. I have a single car garage and my car barely fits in there. I also live in an HOA, so they would not allow anyone to do a job like that outside.
Ah yeah that's a problem
I do not know about the other F1 style single clutch manuals, but BMW's SMG3 is not a "normal standard transmission". Because there is no need for a shifter linkage BMW was free to place the gears where ever they wanted on the power shaft in the trans. As a result they put the two highest torque gears (1st and 2nd) on opposite ends of the shift so each gear is immediately next to a shaft bearing in the trans housing. Then they installed the rest of the gears in progressive alternating order from the outer edges so 7th is in the middle of the shaft. As a result there is no way to design a manual shift linkage for the trans or convert it to a linkage operated manual.
Ah yeah that doesn't sound the same although the do have manual conversions on BMW smg transmissions so I'm not sure about that?
@@normalguysupercar The SMG3 was the only BMW purpose built F1 box. The prior versions were normal manuals with hydraulic actuators retro fitted on them.
REALLY INTERESTING THANK YOU ..GREAT VLOG!
Thanks
There is a place samcrac found in Texas that makes clutches that made one for his Aston Martin that saved thousands.
Interesting
The Dont Be A Menace clip was culture🤣🤣✊🏾
Lol thanks
Love the new content! Some questions:
Could you please explain more about the herky jerky at low speeds? Why is that happening?
Is it possible to re-manufacturere/re-line the clutch? Similarly refurb the throw out assembly with a new bearing.
I think there are some refurb options but I just wanted to get new. The herky jerky is because the computer isn't that awesome at managing the clutch
If I had one of these cars, I would love for it to kind of have a slightly pronounced shift. I feel it’s keeping in character with the type of car, especially if you have a Superleggera, Challenge Stradale, Scuderia etc.
Oh it's pronounced all right. Lol
Great video you answered all the questions I had about e-gear
You bet
Nice!!! I was always a bit Leary of F1 transmissions. Does it matter if you leave it in "auto" mode vs. paddle shifting?
Only in that it shifts when you may not want it to.
14:45 lol..."Hey its that Normal Guy SuperLambo...." lol
Lol
Thank you Dan, for the great content 👍👍🧡
You bet
Brother I have always left my gallardo in neutral with parking brake when I park it in my garage (flat surface) does it do any harm? Have never parked it in gear.
Well no it's no harm but you better remember that parking brake every time otherwise it might roll away
Maserati Gransports have the same F1 also called Cambiocorsa in the 4200 GT
There we go
Great video, Dan. I’m getting ready to put a clutch in my 08 430 and was wondering what tool the shop needs to do the install properly, I.e., to set the engagement point. Thanks
They need a computer that can set the calibration points for the clutch. On the Ferraris you can probably get away with one of the upper end Launch X431 models.
Love the videos here in South Africa, great content and my wife loves the reviews from your wife!
Thanks
They don't *all* last 40,000 miles. At all. I've owned several Ferraris, 360 and 430.
In the 355 and early 360 (so about pre 2002), you will be lucky getting 20k miles to a clutch. They ride the clutch far too much moving off, sometimes multiple times before it engages. Secondly, reverse gear is far too high (basically like 2nd gear), so moving off when reversing is horrible on the clutch.
By 2002, Ferrari started listening to complaints and made big improvements. So clutch wear WHEN YOU HAVE A 2002 OR LATER TCU (gearbox ecu) (always check someone hasn't retrofitted an old TCU into your 2002 or later car!!!) you will get more like 30,000 miles. The Challenge Stradale TCU offers very sharp (violent) changes in Race Mode (this can be retrofitted in all 360) and will also give something like 30-35k. Keep the 360 permanently in manual Sport (or Race in the CS) mode to achieve this.
430s again will give about 30-35k (or more, if very careful) per clutch.
I don't have particular knowledge of Lamborghini, but my instinct is that the Gallardo does seem to provide sharper shifts (ie less riding moving off) and seem to offer around 40k per clutch. It the jump in tech around 2002 did seem to improve the single clutch situation a lot.
(I've heard Aventador clutch life can be absolutely awful, like 10k per clutch - tho I'm not a Lambo expert)
Few things to note:
- clutch calibration is key. The best specialists can calibrate your car to provide better driving characteristics and longer clutch life. There's a lot of parameters involved and these guys know what works
- if someone has re-used a battered flywheel (to save money), this will give you less clutch life
- the state of the release bearing is also critical (*always* put a new Hill Engineering bearing when doing the clutch - the bearing only lasts one clutch cycle)
- "auto mode" is generally bad for clutch life, it will slip between gears more to provide a sense of smoothness (= bad)
- reversing is generally bad (reversing uphill is very, very bad)
- stop start traffic driving is also bad. It will reduce your clutch life a lot. Try and keep to open roads, where these cars belong. These are not friendly daily cars or commuters
- always try to upgrade the TCU if / where possible. It will pay you back
- DO NOT launch the car in 1st gear. Just don't do it.
DO NOT keep on driving hard if the clutch overheat warning comes on, driving gently and allowing it to cool will get you home, but overheating suggests something is worn and needs replacing.. They don't often do this so pay attention if they do
- if there's any chance of saving and re-using the flywheel don't keep driving the car once it is slipping. You will fully dish the flywheel and it will become unusable
- the flywheel in the 430 is quite thin. It * can * be reused once, but that's it. Some people reuse it twice and are asking for trouble. The 360 flywheel is a little thicker and can often be reused.
- DO NOT use any kind of aftermarket clutches. The OE clutches are very very slightly dished out of the box and must be within a certain tolerance to match with the flywheel. Machining these parts flat (as you can get away with in manual cars) will simply give you a horribly hard gear change. The OE dishing is there is smooth out the characteristics of the drive. You need to get the F1 or E Gear spec parts for an F1 / E Gear car.
- it's a good idea to change both gearbox and F1 fluids yearly or at least every 2 years.
- doing fairly regular "actuator relearns" is worth doing (this can be done at home using a fairly basic Launch X431 OBD tool)
- lastly, always let the car naturally warm up (you can drive at low revs) before you kick the car above 4k revs. These cars do not enjoy being cold. At all.
Oh and aside from all of that the following parts can also require maintenance in a single clutch car:
- actuator (they leak or just become malfunctional)
- actuator solenoid valves
- F1 pump and motor (they burn out)
- F1 relay (burns out)
- F1 hoses (can split and leak)
- accumulator (loses necessary pressure)
- variety of sensors (they can just stop working or are sometimes prone to actuator leak contamination) (f430 has a host of extra E-diff sensors)
Etc etc..
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Solid advice here
I’m currently looking for a Gallardo or 430. What do you do when you’re caught in the inevitable stop and go traffic?
You suffer. And try not to let it ride the clutch. Lol
It's awful in the Lambo, not gonna lie. We got caught in a bad accident on the freeway the night we got ours and had to stop and go for about an hour. Ours is an LP car and does the herky jerky too!
Great video Dan- In your opinion do you prefer the F1 or E-gear system? I'm looking at a supercar purchase in the next 12 mos and was only focused on DCT equipped vehicles. After seeing your explanation I think I'm open to 430/Gallarado era vehicles now.
I think both are basically the same. I have yet to try the LP Gallardo which supposedly is better.
We have an LP550 and also had experience in the superleggera of Dan's year. They are nearly identical to me, E-gear wise, the Superleggera just rides a bit stiffer.
Great discussion! Learned a bunch.
Thanks
Almost all of Lamborghini single clutch setups have upgrade kevlar clutches that last longer than the original 40k. The clutches can be purchased off Alibaba because its all Chinese now. When you start researching the internals of this car outside of engine components, ITS CHEAP. The suspension simply dosent work on this car, and NEEDS a aftermarket upgrade. Then the car can come into its own as a performance vehicle, but without a suspension upgrade its simply a buckboard car. These were problems highlighted YEARS AGO on many exotic car forums.
Thanks
Very nice job. Simple explanation of a complex system. One thing I read in am owner's manual: can't remember if it was Ferrari's or MB AMG, was that they advised against braking the car with downshifting. Any idea of why or comments about that?
Against it? Hmm I'm curious where that was.
@@normalguysupercar . I didn't say you said it. I am saying that I read it in an owner's manual. I was asking if you know why they would advise against braking the car by downshifting.
Well done explanation of E-Gear and F-1 clutches. I own both. I use sport mode in the Gallardo but not in the 360 as I like the suspension setting in normal mode. My Ferrari had 55% left when I bought it at 13K mi. It now has 29K and its reading 45% left. So, you definitely can "save" your clutch with proper driving. You didn't mention NOT using Auto mode (other that you are not a fan); does that wear a clutch out more than paddle shifting? Urban legend says yes. Finally, were the clutch and throwout bearing OEM parts/prices from a Lambo dealer? They seemed high. Did you consider a Kevlar clutch?
I don't think auto mode matters much. I did get oem from Ferrparts
What would be amazing is a Ratarossa for Lambo.
I know that's not your aim, with the new dealership, but I do think there's a market out there.
Eh that's not really my thing. I like real cars.
That shirt is lit!! Lambo also looks good
Thanks
So 5k and that pays yourself the labor it costs to DIY clutch kit. I can't even imagine buying any tools to work on something like that eff ing work of art, & I think a 458 would be a fun experience to feel that road
Yup
I posted about the possibility of a rebuilt clutch for this car. There are outfits that will do custom rebuilds. The post was removed for some reason. Possibly because I included a website address of a company that does this work. I think you would do the normal guy super car community a service by trying a rebuilt clutch and confirming/disproving this approach. Samcrac did it with a Ferrari and seemed to have good luck with it at less than half the price of a new OEM clutch if I recall correctly. Let’s face it. It’s just a diaphragm spring and a plate with friction linings. No reason it should cost $4000.
You can get rebuilt clutches, there's certainly a market for it
nice new t shirt Dan. Mo approved?
Yes indeed!
Are there aftermarket larger shifter Paddles? I think I remember you showing them for a Ferrari.
Yes
Now that would be a popular manual swap, but damn, a hydrobot doing that would be euphoric! As an excuse to use the paddles, I would pop it into neutral, and coast as long as possible up to every stop.
I cannot wait for the yt vid about:
(ex.)(do not do) (jj) (incorrect) (might exist?)
Hack ing in by-unlocking passenger door, flip the key to on 9 times, hit the gas pedal three times, pop it to 1st, and it does a fresh calibration of the clutch, no dark weeebing. 🙄🏁🤖
Ah cool
I have always wondered why these clutches don't last long. Heck in a corvette it last longer even when riding them rough. I never understood that part. I would think it should last at least 80,000 miles.
You can get far more miles if it's a true manual
Nice car and thanks for the tips , I’ll be looking for a Gallardo in the near future.:)
Nice!
Neutral.
One thing I had heard was not being sat at the lights in N. It was when slowing down, to pop it into N. This is stop the car downshifting itself to 1st, and feathering the clutch during slowing down putti g it into 1st then disengaging when Stopped.
Eh I'm not sure any of that really matters
@@normalguysupercar Possibly was not clear.
If you a rolling at low speed in 1st, the clutch will be feathering. You'll be riding the clutch.
Therefore, when you are coming to a stop the clutch does not completely disengage. It feathers it.
This feathering of the clutch, is a benefit if you are crawling in traffic and then want to set off.
But, if you are coming to a stop it is unnecessary and wears the clutch.
The point with these clutches is positive engagement. Dabbing the accelerator, at low speed engages then disengaged the clutch - it rides it.
(I've had a 4200 Maserati and a Gallardo)
@@iresident8279 I agree, when the car comes down to first it does the herky jerky. I'm gonna keep going to N even at lights for the peace of mind.
Whats your thoughts about shifting? Some people say they treat it just like a standard manual and take there foot off the gas while shifting, frankly i never did this with my 430 but i know people who do and i think it sounds ridiculous, lol. Congrats on the new car Dan, its awesome. I had mine brand new and loved it but I had it in Manhattan so it wasn't the greatest car for there and didnt keep it all that long lol.
Light throttle/ low load casual driving I tend to lift. Faster and more spirited I stay on the throttle
I don't lift. The computers do it for you.
@Normal Guy Supercar yea that was my thoughts also. Frankly i loved the violent bangs lol
Good explanations
Thanks
Seems like lambo parts are even more money than ferrari parts. My F355 clutch disc and pressure plate was 1,100 bucks about 3 years ago. I'm thinking of getting a gallardo spider eventually. I like the 06 to 08 gallardos because I don't like direct injection and the problems that come with it, such as carboned up valves, failed high pressure pumps, injectors etc. Thoughts?
I think they are a deal right now
Gen1 R8 has a similar system, my car has 37k miles and there’s 68% left. Not uncommon for r8 to hit 60-100k miles on the original clutch. My scud has 14.5k miles and 70% left. Somehow the myth is murcielago ones seem to only last 10-15k miles…
Yeah Murcielagos get a ton of flack on the clutch life
What’s your thoughts on the smg system on the older v10 m5?
It's a little more sluggish than the egear and later F1.
I have been looking at Maserati GTs and I noticed a lot of these cars are sold at a certain mileage. Now I know another reason why ? Not even sure the GT has this type of clutch (will have to research that) but I see many for sale around the 35k miles range.
The automated manual "MC-Shift" was only available in NA for one year in the GT, I'm reasonably sure but not 100% certain. The rest have a ZF torque converter 6 speed.
Yeah check which trans it has.
So how much time did you spend trying to figure out the "prerequisite" instructions on the service manual for the G? I literally spend more time jumping around the manual doing this than fixing anything. Oh and it's kind of impossible to print out 350 pages of that damn pdf. Super excited to see the clutch job
The manual is let's just say, lacking.
Putting it in N at the lights is the best way to save the clutch.
No it's really not