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ICARUS - How This Rocket Could Have Changed Warfare Forever
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Never Built 1200 Marine Spaceship Rocket - Anywhere in the world in 45 Minutes - ICARUS
Chapters:
0:00 - Introduction
0:44 - Human Rockets in WW2
2:40 - Incredible Parter Amazon
3:58 - ICARUS
6:17 - Launching the rocket!
8:07 - Jetpacks?!
8:54 - Hidden Features
9:40 - What Happened?
12:15 - Future Of Earth To Earth Rockets
Carrying 1,200 marines around the world in just 45 minutes, this incredible rocket design would have radically changed the battlefield and made everything from aircraft to battleships obsolete.
But this crazy invention never quite made it off the drawing board and became forgotten in a world obsessed with machines with wings.
This is the never-built ICARUS rocket!
One of the very first was during world war two. Rocket scientist von Bran sketched a rough drawing of three men inside of a V2 nazi rocket, hinting at further aspirations of rocket travel. But this design wouldn't get picked up until nearly 20 years later in 1956.
Using a Jupiter IRBM as the base, this rocket design would instead of a payload transport 18 combat troops 500 miles (800km) into the heart of the battle. It would land using a combination of thrusters and parachutes.
This concept would then be picked up by the army and modified into the Transport Version of the Redstone Short Range Ballistic Missle. But this concept could only carry as many troops as a helicopter and had the same range.
In 1963, engineer Phil Bono took the existing concept of ROMBUS, ground to orbit heavy-lift rocket and modified it for military earth-to-earth operations. It was called Inter-continental Aerospacecraft Range Unlimited System, or ICARUS
It was able to carry 1,200 fully equipped soldiers or 132 tonnes of military equipment within 7600 nautical miles. The rocket would launch and achieve a speed of 17,000 miles per hour, meaning any point in the range could be reached in only 45 minutes.
For this rocket to work, it would require a 70-foot in diameter payload model with six decks - pressurized for the flight. It also had strong landing gear and rockets to allow the spacecraft to land safely.
The commandant of the USMC, General Wallace M. Greene Jr quoted "The impact of this application of space technology of the project of national military power is staggering to contemplate"
By the next year of 1964, the concept was well underway of development, although with a changed name. the powers that be didn't quite like the Icarus legend and thus changed it to Ithacus.
How would it work?
Soldiers would have been 'stacked' on six decks with couches for 200 of each level. The couches would have rotated for each phase of flight, and the soldiers would have been able to comfortably ride the rocket.
There would have been a separate crew compartment for four pilots, located in an ejectable capsule on the side of the rocket.
For a normal mission, the rocket would launch with a 3-g acceleration for 70 seconds. . The rocket would ark at 127 nautical miles, 235 km, above the surface. The spacecraft would then perform it's 10 minutes descent, hitting the atmosphere at 400,000 feet. Once deactivated, it would glide to the landing zone before coming laterally still and stalling over the intended drop zone. At 2,500 feet or 700 meters, the rocket would ignite its engines again and land like the luna module.
The project was intended to be developed alongside the original ROMBUS rocket project - simply becoming an offshoot from that design. As the ROMBUS didn't move ahead, it would have been substantially expensive to go ahead with the ICARUS design.
Hence, why the engineers also worked on a design called the ICARUS Jr. A smaller rocket with the same range but could only carry 170 troops or 33,500 kg of cargo.
The advantage of this smaller design was that it wasn't limited to land-based launch sites. It could actually be launched off the deck of a nuclear aircraft carrier (a modified one).
But unlike these rocket ideas, they never really took off and US space exploration shifted dramatically after Apollo to an idea of a reusable aircraft shuttle. Douglas tried to shift with a concept called the Hyperion, a rocket sled aircraft that launched off a mountain.
There were attempts over each decade to bring the concept back of a manned missile system, such as the Douglas clipper that proved the reusable rocket model
As Space X forges a new pathway to the stars, we can't but help imagine that had this military project gone ahead we might today be decades further in our exploration in space - or we might have entered a new age of war and strife. After all, when countries can be toppled in a manner of minutes, what do borders even mean.
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what is your accent. its very suttle
Can you do a video on the Bell X-22 and the XTI-Trifan 600
07:48 "De-accelerated" isn't a word. lol
It's just decelerate.
You make incredible videos, the GFX are fantastic ! Really glad such high quality is coming from an a Aussie UA-camr !
I really enjoyed this one ⭐
Using a rocket to deploy 1200 marines in 45 min is the most retarded idea I've ever heard. The only advantage would not to have bases everywhere yet there are no bases nearby to get out to or get support from either. And what situationwould requore a 45 min response?
That's... that's a DropShip.
I can't be the only one who sees this, right? That's a spheroid, infantry-carrying DropShip minus the interplanetary capability, thanks to the fact that it lacks a fusion torch. Scream in from orbit, land vertically on a thrust column, deploy your troops, provide a little fire support, then relocate to a safer landing zone to wait out the conflict. That's a DropShip.
Ah, BattleTech. Haven't heard from it in a while.
I was thinking union class drop ship nice to know battle tech still remembered
@@jtho8937 checkout the Blackpants Legion channel for cool battletech videos.
Nope. Yep. We got a big ship out there, Not a question really in my head. The space force is more interesting to me. Why?.
What about “wasp” that thing that radiated that family in the USA ,
I've seen a lot of these 'we can get X number of troops anywhere in less than six hours' concepts, but I've never seen any way for those troops to get back out again or supply them while they're deployed.
acceptable casualties
More rockets?
Yes@@FoundAndExplained, more rockets.
@@FoundAndExplained project Orion?
A military SST (Supersonic Transport) would've been a better idea. Yes, it wouldn't have been as fast, but troops could be flown anywhere in under a day.
One of the most American things I have ever seen
would be a great way to efficiently kill your troops
More like the most Kerbal
@@kerbodynamicx472 Green Americans
@@jwadaow yes
@@ben_bennie_nie good point .."troop killer" yours thier's don't matter reminds me of the scene in brave heart.. but it will kill theirs too...lol Space X though with Falcon 9 has proven not so dangerous
Imagine seeing a rocket but instead of exploding, it spits out hundreds of troopers o_O
Well space x can actually make that possible 😳
No explosition because no al-cheapo promise of a unstable canisters, the military almost has no limit to engineering luxury
Would probably be similar to what the Belgian troops in 1940 felt, when suddenly confronted with German paratroops and glider landings
Or spits out seamen...
Why not both Brother?
THE EMPEROR PROTECTS!
I’m glad I understand this reference
Clearly some powerful archeotech.
@Jon Smite that’s the Chile flag, not the Texas Flag.
“And they shall know no fear”
You carry the Emperor's will as your torch, with it destroy the shadows.
"What does borders mean?"
Ace Combat Zero vibe there
Cringe
@@the7A7dude bruh
@@the7A7dude wat
"Hey buddy, still alive?"
Dang we were that close to having ODST's lol. Looks a lot like Elons Starhopper.
Came looking for the Halo comment. Was not disappointed.
That's because all of elon's ideas are just old recycled ideas that he takes credit for. For example, NASA developed and tested the first viable reusable rocket in 1994 but they abandoned the project because they determined it wasn't cost effective and had grave safety concerns. Elan doesn't care that his rockets keep being destroyed by problems NASA solved in the 1960s or that they are not cost effective because he has the government propping up SpaceX and his Fanboys shouting down anybody who criticizes SpaceX for destroying multibillion-dollar government satellites because they didn't bother reading how NASA solved fuel pump freezing issues.
This is the comment I was searching for
@@micfail2 Ah i see you have worked for years in the aerospace sector...
🤡
@@micfail2 damn bro not a single thing you said was even close to factual, pretty impressive honestly
How would this deal w/ anti-aircraft, anti-ballistic or anti-satellite weapons? I can’t imagine a near peer opponent just waiting for this to land on their territory.
This is no issue. It would be more resistent than a cargo plain carring troops. The issue is that space travel is very expensive.
By launching several Ames aerospace fighters to clear out the landing area before.
Triple A and SAMs would be the real threat. Anti-ballistics were generally to small to knock this out without a perfect hit and anti-satellite were rare and still are to this day and generally are to difficult to deploy. Yes there were some anti-ballistic weapons and even anti-satellite ones that would be viable but why use the more expensive option when a good SAM could do the job?
@@vornamenachname2625 and what about air strike
just send alot. Ad victorium
I remember coming across a book in my school library back in the 70's that showed all of these concepts. Some of them included holding on to the external tanks to use them as shelters/storage or what-have-ya. There was even an idea of using them as building blocks for a space station (an idea I've noticed that's been revisited more than once).
I also remember a major component was the use of an Aerospike engine. For those who don't know, an Aerospike engine is kind of an inside-out engine with the bell on the inside (forming a spike) and the flame on the outside. This design allowed the engine to be efficient at all altitudes (one of the reasons for rocket staging is the need to change the bell shape as the rocket goes up). If memory serves, they would let a small amount of fuel drip out of the bottom to form the "spike" part of the engine (no idea how that was supposed to work).
Another stupid tid-bit is the fact that this design is the rocket supposedly used for Disneyland's "Flight to the Moon" and "Mission to Mars" rides. You could see it when they tell you your spacecraft is ready. Though the latter show mentions "we've just dropped our booster" which this rocket design doesn't have (they show the staging of a Saturn V from the 2nd stage). You can find old movies of both of these rides (I rode them in Walt Disney World) on UA-cam if you want.
I believe you're thinking of Frontiers of Space by Philip Bono and Kenneth Gatland (1969 New York: Macmillan).
I had that book. God knows how I lost it!
If you're GenX, you might remember those Usborne "Book of the Future" series, which showed this exact concept. I still have that book. pareldesign.blogspot.com/2008/04/usborne-book-of-future-was-what-really.html
Aerospike rocket work by the thrust on the outside like a ring around the spike.
Ok, I seriously, absolutely, positively, urgently need that god damn book...
I was toying around with this idea in collage for a dark future storyline. Only my planes had the rocket crashing into ground and troops and armor flooding out. I recently reused the idea for a rpg setting. I scraped the armor and made them humanoid drone troops that where controlled in a base. Always fun to see it was actually something that was considered. I even had a concept of making it a earthquake weapon where troops would attack during the chaos.
XCOM: Skyranger takes about 2-6 hours to transport 6 troops anywhere in the world.
IRL: 1200 guys anywhere you want in 45 minutes or less!
Warhammer 40k wasn't even a thing yet and they were _already_ planning to Deep Strike troops. Reality is just stranger than fiction isn't it?
Starship Troopers was a thing though. It's fun to imagine a whole batallion of marines in flak jackets armed with M14 rifles disembarking from a dropship
Nah, GeeDubs just like to take! Take! TAKE!!
It's really the "Starship Troopers" 😲！😆
*(Klendathu Drop Intensifies)*
Closer to a Battletech dropship ... this plan wasn't to drop troops individually from orbit .... unless you're referring to the #$%^&ed up movie adaptations, then nevermind :D
@@jpotter2086 The first movie was good fun, the second and third were trash, the forth and fifth were batshit insane. Regardless, Basil Pouldoris' Klendathu Drop theme, is probably one of the best sci-fi military marches ever and is perfect "Dropship Thunder" music
@@weldonwin I wasn't commenting on the quality of the movies, but on the differences in how troops were deployed in the novel vs the movies.
As the novel had no soundtrack or score, the movies win that aspect by default :P
all of the emperors subjects commenting of the drop pods nearly brings a tear to my eye.
Well space marine drop pods are a thing.
ALL HAIL THE MAN EMPEROR OF MANKIND!!!!
*AVE IMPERATOR, GLORIA IN EXCELSIS TERRA!*
I just hope the age of strife is not close... any way, better start a tecnobarbarian gang and to hording STCs.
#1 rule of warfare: do not let your troops enter the battlefield like they just got out of a car crash
@@kerbodynamicx472 you got that from Isaac Arthur didn’t you
@@tariqahmad1371 you’re a man of culture as well
On the surface this sounds like an amazing capability but my question is; Once these 1200 Marines land anywhere in the world in 45 minutes, how are they going to be supported once they get there?
more rockets
AMES space fighters (from HORZIONS newsletter May/June 2012). A 1963 project of winged re-entry vehicle with optional capability of working as a fightercraft. Launch a few of them slightly before the ICARUS and let them clear up the landing site for it.
Terminator armor. Armed with Storm Bolters.
Thunderhawks, duh.
They can get support from naval and air support. It will be addition to combined arms warfare.
Transport version of a ballistic missile, I didn't have that in my vocabulary.
If there was a passenger version of it (I mean, there were in projects, but smaller ones), I think those could be called "ballistic liners".
Well, that's how we went to the moon, repurposed icbm tech
@@xxportalxx. Not technically true, the Saturn V/Apollo was built from the ground up as a civil project. But you are correct in that Mercury, Gemini and Soyuz were all ballistic Missiles originally
@@Musikur eh, close enough, besides they may have built it from the ground up to be civilian, but where did the research, experience, and personal come from?
Nice video... but you show it flying sideways and backwards. At about 7:44, you show it bellyflopping like the SpaceX Starship; in reality it would drop down tail first with an angle of attack of about 45 degree. At 7:49 you show it gliding nose-first; it would actually glide tail first. Note the control surfaces on the wings.
Yes correct! Sorry!
I remember having a book on space travel as a kid in the 70s that had that illustration , it also included the X20 Dyna - soar project and an early concept Hyperloop, though it was huge compared to modern designs with multiple decks for passengers & cargo. In fact, a lot of those colour illustrations look familiar.
I believe you're thinking of Frontiers of Space by Philip Bono and Kenneth Gatland (1969 New York: Macmillan).
@@Setebos thank you, that does look like it.
If you're GenX, you might remember those Usborne "Book of the Future" series, which showed this exact concept. I still have that book and yes, some of those concepts like the hyperloop were resurrected. pareldesign.blogspot.com/2008/04/usborne-book-of-future-was-what-really.html
So musk is just copying cold war era ideas 🤭🤭
Now that you mention it I had that book and I know exactly what you're talkin about what Memories
Let’s just wait for his channel to become huge
I just realized he's only at like 67 k. The quality is that of a channel at 1 million imo. Let's get him to 69 k first lol
I just bumped into this channel, I like it and subscribed
hehe 69k! i'm waiting for it!
@@FoundAndExplained I've converted 2/ 1.7 k lol
I reckon before 2022 this channel will have around 5 million subscribers 👍
Not sure how deploying a few battalions of Marines anywhere would make aircraft or naval fire support obsolete. It would just be a pretty shocking deployment that allowed small swathes of territory to be seized very quickly. Not sure how you’d resupply that many if they had to be deployed by rockets without sending another one, though.
Still, really intriguing.
True that the Marines would have to travel light, without armor or artillery. Space-based kinetic energy weapons AKA "Rods from God" would at least give then the ability to call for air against targets requiring indirect fire.
@@FusionAero Gee, if only there was some kind of Force that deployed and operated from Space...
"We're dropping into Hell troopers, time to grow a pair!"
Hey gunny gonna tell us her name?
Just imagine, we were this close to having real life space marines
Elon Musk is gonna get a lot of calls from the Pentagon Monday morning. With the new Cold War budget they can afford a lot of new toys
New cold war budget? (Am from NZ, not America, so a little out of the loop)
@@kingkea3451 The US is increase spending on everything to fight China and this includes $1 trillion to new nukes, a couple trillions in infrastructure, an extra $150 billion on R&D so you can bet the new Space Force will get some decent budget to splurge
@@Peizxcv That's a lot of money!
@@kingkea3451 Yes, no wonder they can´t afford healthcare...
@@kingkea3451 that's incorrect information the USA current military budget is 700 billon USD
This is probably one of the best videos so far.
It helps that the vehicle is a very interesting concept, but the artwork you found and the Renders, just make this so entertaining to watch.
Also, some one screwed the time line again. The future is in the past.
Missile interception systems would quickly disassemble the rocket.
Not sure about ICBMs or intermediate range ballistic systems, but a single stage to orbit kind of vehicle, conveying large payloads that has to actually land? Yes, suspect there could be vulnerabilities to anti ballistic missiles ...
@@michaeldunne338 Don´t even need fancy anti ICBM stuff since this thing actually has to slow down to land rather than dropping from orbit at extreme speed. Regular anti air would wreck it.
Isn't this the real purpose of spacex's starship?
No, the purpose of Starship is to burn money and fuel and produce scrap metal. So far it is a great success.
Negative, the real purpose of starship is to be the first orbital launch system to ever be entirely reusable. SpaceX already pioneered the reuse of the first stage via their falcon 9, and NASA proved the potential of reuse of the second stage through the shuttle (though this one was plagued with problems due to it pretty much being designed for the congress)
Starship aim to steer the vehicle away from the inherent issues of the space shuttle design via the use of stainless steel construction, rapid itteration, uniform tiles, methane engines (which burn clean unlike RP-1 engines), a landing sequence that does not nessesitate a gigantic runway and a WHOLE lot of cargo transport ability.
The idea that starship could be used to transport troops was simply derivated from the point to point transportation concept for the starship, which is for civilian use.
However much like how air transport is very much apreciated by the miltary due to its much faster speed and modularity compared to ground trasport, a Starship is a very interesting additon to a military's arsenal. Primarely because:
- its unmatched speed
- its carrying capacity, pretty much identical to a regular transport plane
- Its ability to land at sea, on mobile platforms. Something that even transport planes cannot do, this reduces the need for military airfields on foreign soil since you can operate exclusively from open waters
- For transorbital flights not exceeding its operational loads, starship does not actually need a superheavy booster, allowing it to operate from spaces with limited infrastructure since all you need is a way to generate the fuel from ambient CO2 and oxygen.
Overall, its a smart choice, because it allows a far more monetary and infrastructure efficient way of power projection, all the while pretty much allowing a small force an overhwelming amount of strategic moblility. Also, simply consider that a starship cost LESS to build and operate than an equivalent transport aircraft. Simplified construction, reliable design and dirt cheap fuel especially help in that
@@dadillen5902 Yeah, neither of these are a fully reusable polyvalent orbital launch superheavy vehicle.
The shuttle had a refurbishable second stage (slow and heavy costs), and an expandable first stage (expensive and entirely lost). The DC-X never even made it to a suborbital path and ended in abject failure (and yet another reminder that SSTOs fucking suck), making it even worse of a comparaison that BO's new shepard which at LEAST managed a transorbital flight as per its limlited operational capabilities.
Its like saying "well aircrafts could already land and trucks can carry things, so why do you even need spaceships". You are not just missing the point at this stage, you are right on interplanetary transfer orbit away from it.
@@mobiuscoreindustries Sure, sure when it learns to fly. I just bet thunderf00t already has his ticket.
@@dadillen5902 Ah yeah right, you are one of those guys... kind of explains your lack of competence in the subject matter at hand. I would say that i'm surprised but i really really am not...
They're actually considering using SpaceX's Starship for this
I think all they need is super heavy. The upper stage could just be 100’s of drones in separate re-entry pods.
No, they’re not. Starship is garbage.
@@commonsenseskeptic They are legitimately considering using it for this purpose, whether its bad or not.
Besides, they haven't even gotten past the prototype stage, my guy, calm down. We'll know if its good or not soon enough.
@@sebastiaomendonca1477 oh, it’s bad. We just did an episode on that proposal and gutted it. There’s is no chance in hell.
@@commonsenseskeptic Watched it out of curiosity, heres why you're wrong:
You're cherrypicking scenarios in which Starship is impractical, failing to consider that they're not scenarios they'd ever use Starship in. The goal of a point to point transportation system like this is to get military hardware to key locations around the globe in as little time as possible. Starship is not going to deliver them to the precise location needed, simply to bases outfitted for it around the world from which point they'd be taken by a smaller, more convenient but also slower method of transportation the rest of the way. It relocates military assets around the world extremely quickly, but does not deliver them straight to battle.
It is very likely, perhaps even obvious to assume a point to point cargo Starship would not use the human lander layout with the airlock. It'd make much more sense to use something like an aligator hinged, large door to the fairing as proposed for cargo Starship to allow for loading in one go.
A movement in the load during launch wont break apart a rocket when you're considering small 1 ton boxes stacked 1 high, in your scenario. Of a 20 ton satellite as payload? Sure. Of small boxes like these? It wont do a thing. Thats not to mention the acceleration on ascent is plenty enough to secure these crates in place given they are not stacked.
Comparing Shuttle propellant loading times with Starship propellant loading times is not accounting for the different propellants, different operating temperatures and densities. It is not an accurate comparison.
This is not proposed as a regular cargo delivery service, it is a contingency
"Human ventriloquist dummy Gwynne Shotwell" Way to undermine someone infinitely more qualified than you
Just the fact that Scott Manley himself has called your point bs is proof enough you're not competent enough in this topic to argue about it.
Having a look through your channel its clear you're not concerned with debunking anything, rather just going with the anti-Elon train without actually understanding any of this. Elon has bad ideas, and very often, but this isn't one. Especially considering the military themselves are considering it.
This is better than the documentaries on television i grew up on.
Better than today's Discovery Channel and History Channel.
Ima be honest this sounds like what starship is trying to do aswell, I bet the military will commission some starship dropships if it works out
I was just thinking the same thing. SpaceX is just getting warmed up with the little stuff and I can definitely see them getting to this. Virgin doesn't have anything in development that could do this and I think Blue is way behind in R&D if they even wanted to go this route. That only leaves Boeing that might have something but so far they can't seem to get off of the ground and the 1 time that they did their computer programming was so messed up that they would have missed the sun if they tried to hit it!
I believe it was released that the Air Force/Space Force is looking into buying some Starships
If starship can complete its capabilities of reaching 150 tones to orbit and the average person is 80 kilograms then it could carry over 1,100 people if all thoese people had luggage that was also 80 kilograms. So it could potentially carry 2,000 people at once if everyone had luggage that weighed 2 kilograms.
Please make videos about 1st gen jetliners in the future if possible.
perhaps the 707?
@@FoundAndExplained You should definitely make that video and don't forget about the Douglas DC-8 (and planes like Comet and Caravelle).
Tigerchamp 99 I can recommend Mustard!
@@oxcart4172 I watched all of his videos and he made the Comet video but not the 2 planes I've mentioned or 707 (at least when this comment was written).
I would watch that.
It seems Space X took a lot of concepts from this design, from the belly flopping before landing vertically..
Plus the winch for equipment, etc
Really love the video nice to see you cover SpaceX StarShip!
Sorry I mean the ICARUS rocket
The xenomorphs wouldn’t stand a chance when 1200 Colonial Marines and synthetics land.
He's getting more like mustard with every episode. Excellent.
There was a concept proposed by a US Marine engineer back in the late 90s that was changed to a space hypersonic spaceplane. Along with two space platforms, the Marines could be anywhere in the world under one hour.
So pretty much larger capacity ODST pods
*CallofDuty:Infinite warfare flashbacks*
Which one? Black Ops or msg4
Call of duty infinite warfare
And advanced warfare also has this, but drop pods version
5:14 why use feet when u can use meters
so much easier with meters
Kinda reminds me of a mix between the Halo ODST droppods, and the dropships from the opening of COD Advanced Warfare
8:45 Jet looks like a B70 Valkyrie.
Confirmed Xb-70
you could call the marines, orbital shock drop troopers, if you will.
Phil Bono introduced the world to Rombus and the aerospike in the 1960's. The world may have forgotten but I never did. And I'm still have hope for the future.
These videos are so amazing i would pay $1000 just to watch one
would you really?
here are my bank details
Lol
@@FoundAndExplained yes they are
imagine if the entire thing malfunction, you ended up with 1200 casualties
That's probably why they didn't go through with it.
The US Air Force and Space Force must recombine to form the Aerospace Force. Then we rename the Marines the Colonial Marines and BAM, we’ve got the same thing in Aliens, but in real life!
A whole chapters worth of space marines able to be deployed at a moments notice, any nearby planets are doomed
looks like spaceX got some inspiration for their starship landing sequence
6:04 yea no kidding, why name a rocket by the best known myth of flying high and dying in a crash landing, must've been a joke that stuck.
To be fair, Icarus is a badass name, despite it's tragic Association...
On a similar note I hope if there's ever an orbital artillery type weapon/space station, that it be named Damocles, because what better name for what could easily be considered a major deterrent/WMD positioned high above us at all times?
*Heavy Astartes breathing intensifies*
Actually the concept was presented in the book 'The Pocket Encyclopedia of Spaceflight in Color - Frontiers of Space" by Philip Bono and Kenneth Gatland, published in 1969 by Blandford Press LTD in London (ISBN o 7137 3504 X). The 1200 troop transport was called "ITHACUS" and was one of many designs presented in the book, using the Plug-nozzle Aerospike engine. Other projects were the Saturn Application Single Stage to Orbit (SASSTO), Hyperion passenger transport, the Re-usable Orbital Module-Booster and Utility Shuttle (ROMBUS), the Pegasus Intercontinental Passenger Rocket and the mentioned ITHACUS Intercontinental Troop Transport. Variants of the ROMBUS system involved a vehicle to be used for a temporary lunar base (Project Selena) and an other configuration for a manned Mars mission (Project Deimos).
Oh boi, this channel is going to space, he's going further and beyond!
I hope spaceplane/SSTO concepts would be discussed in the future like Skylon, pretty interesting stuff.
edit: 13:09 unintentional (?) WH40K reference, Age of Strife
Borders mean that in times of peace, a semblance of stability will preserve your culture as you know it.
But who needs borders when the world's superpowers can literally drop a battalion of dudes in your backyard in the span of the average coffee break?
Great Video! Make a video about the Sea Dragon
I'm pretty sure this video will be in ODST's training course
The real meaning of *Space Marines*
Love your videos!! Please consider the Northrop YB-49 for a video
So. They wanted to build starship in the 70s…. But for troops. I swear we should have just funded this craze shit just to see where we’d be at as a society 😂
I love how I comment close to the end of the video and then You completely mention exactly what I typed!!!! Cheers mate you’ve got a happy new sub
Can not be true Electric Jesus invented rocket and he was not born yet.
Makes me wonder how starship could be applied to a use like this, just food for thought because it really does have the exact capabilities and more.
@@childishfiend5923 Far to busy transporting 1,000,000 colonies to mars by 2050. 😂😂😂
@@dadillen5902 you seem to forget that starship is funded by both nasa and the military so I think they would definitely find the time to get something like that done. When they have billions invested they will receive ships of their own and do with those whatever they please
@@childishfiend5923 Yeah sure whatever you say. Just don't hold your breath.
Holy shit, this whole concept is over-the-top insane. I fucking love it.
When you mentioned that it would HOVER and provide CLOSE AIR SUPPORT I couldn't stop laughing... This is gold!!
Nice idea but if an enemy were to hit it before it gets a chance to land the resulting explosion would not only destroy the spacecraft but also kill all the soldiers inside
Imagine the hole that would be melted into the flight deck by this rocket.
Any ship that would deploy a vehicle like this would probably have a flame trench in the deck.
@@twistedyogert no to mention a water spray curtain. But a aircraft carrier deck steel and non-skid was never designed for that kind of heat.
@@patrickradcliffe3837 New aircraft (spacecraft?) carriers might need to be designed around this thing.
Also, since the ship would already be in the water, the flame trench could theoretically just be a giant hole in the deck with tubes extending into the ocean. The blast would just go straight into the ocean through the tubes, negating the need for a spray system.
Of course, one could also go the Sea Dragon route and place the spacecraft into the water on floats. This wouldn't endanger the deck as the aircraft carrier would back away before blastoff.
Either way, I'd imagine that the FAA would pitch a fit every time this thing would be used from US soil/waters. SpaceX recently got into hot water for launching a Starship prototype without their approval. It appears Elon shares my distaste for paperwork and bureaucracy. 😁 But public safety is important.
I think they intended to cover the deck underneath the rocket with a big pair of oven gloves ! 😁
We might see this thing get built one day.
13:16 “what do borders even mean”.
..a world without borders... just imagine it.
I T S T I M E
“This twisted game needs to be reset. We'll start over from "zero" with this V2 and entrust the future to the next generation.”
I thought the video would be about the soviet version, based on the Proton.
Yeah I love found and explained
Are we getting military stuff now as well...is this real life? this is glorious
Also I love how Elon has been trying to "invent" these rockets lol
I hope so! Depends if people like it?
@@FoundAndExplained I for one love it!
That’s exactly how I deliver people to certain deaths around the world in KSP
1200 marines anywhere around the world in 45 minutes
Ryanair: 30000 passengers on "premium configuration" anywhere around the world in 45 minutes + 2 hour drive to the actual destination
Wait... it bellyflopped like starship
Kind of.
Mode of flight was more like the Falcon9 first stage.
The engine would have been used as the heat shield during reentry. The craft would *not* have used its side as "braking pad" like Starship.
Only after reaching subsonic velocities the little wings would have provided cross range capability and "lift". But the rocket would still have traveled engine first all the way to the ground.
I kinda want to see the US military someday build a rocket, just to show how wasteful their engineering methods are. Putting one next to a Falcon 9 or Atlas V would be like a Humvee next to a standard 4-door.
I can't imagine that rocket landing vertically at that time, now that we are in the 21st century those of space x are suffering to be able to land their ship vertically
- One fly for tokyo please
- economy or business ?
- eco plz
- okay i have a seat for tonight, it will be 4 000 000 $.
As a wild suggestion for a future video, how about the rockets build by the German OTRAG company, that tried out their cheap-of-the-shelf rockets in Zaire?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OTRAG
This was dead on arrival, as what it really is is a large slow moving target in the air as it tries to land.
How is this apparently not an issue with modern paratroopers? Do they jump from hypersonic jets?
@@3gunslingers when was the last time the paratroops went in without air superiority?
I can't think of a time?
I can't actually think of the last time paratroops en mass were used. The French in Vietnam maybe?
I'm not even sure how much spec ops use stuff like halo outside of training.
Also there is a difference between a couple hundred troops in a plane with parachutes compared to 1200 trapped in one object.
@@deth3021 Paratrooping really doesn't make sense for anything other than getting like a thousand guys all in to one place as fast as possible. If its less than that it makes way more sense to fly them in with helicopters for most situations.
@@imsoawesome2013 ok but I don't see paratroops in that scale going into contested airspace?
Who even has air dropable vehicles anymore?
Just saw that apparently the not is air dropable, 2 per c17.
The marines even seem to be moving away from beach landings, as I understand it.
Wasn't that the reason they built the America class without a well deck.
@@deth3021
_"when was the last time the paratroops went in without air superiority?"_
Exactly my point.
So why do you imply that ICARUS would have? Just because you don't know *if* they would have?
*Roger Young ballad plays over the comms*
This tactic would be feasible by being a two stage effect and a 1 & 1 half a round trip, by take off a cargo payload vessel to drop-off and shoot back up(Mars Skycrane style), return back, at end of objective, launch for pick-up, - *or* - take off & drop off, just above the stratosphere ( stealth on the sonic boom), shoot up to arrive back, then again to collect cargo/payload vessel, at end task. The adjacent ring and booster & center mass pod+parachute/vector thrust, as 2 stages.
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haha first comment! i am going to i promise!
@@FoundAndExplained can’t wait!
This idea is both hilarious and amazing at the same time. Now the military is looking into using Starship point to point travel for supplies. Maybe this could be expanded to troops as well?
I wish I still had the books I got in the 70s that described real and possible spacecraft like Icarus and Hyperion as well as Mercury, Gemini, the MOL and Apollo.
I'm just imagining 1200 troops, not used to space flight, throwing up at the same time in the pod. Hope the capacity counts for sickness bags.
New word for the day; "De-accelerate."
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Putting all your Marines in one basket ?
One farmer with an RPG takes out an entire battalion.
This sounds over the top. But honestly, id have pressed it into service due to its functionality. What a concept. Yea ditch all your world bases, combine this with drones... oh yea. Id bet this might be a functioning unit in the deep black fleet right now... or was and has now been replaced by a functioning space plane.
Considering mutually assured destruction, launching one or more of these for a conventional attack somewhere on earth would have been difficult to distinguish from the start of a nuclear first-strike… there’s a good chance the USSR would have “retaliated” before things could be sorted out (assuming they weren’t the intended target to begin with). In addition to the vulnerability to SAMs, it’s easy to see why this novel idea wasn’t followed though.
Jesus, imagine getting strapped in to a fucking rocket, shot into hostile territory and expected to fight.'
Tank shedding would probably be done in pairs on opposite sides to maintain balance of mass and drag.
Engineers had exactly ZERO chill in the 1950's and 60's. I'm stunned each soldier wasn't carrying a Davey Crockett.
They were still working through the Pervatin supply from the war.
Still trying to find out the romance with Icarus and flying projects.
Icarus died for being too stupid and flew too close to the sun.
"Hey fellow scientists and engineers, listen up! We have a project to launch (XYZ) because reasons. It's gonna be great, but with high degree of crashing and burning. We need a name for it. Anybody have an-"
(Some doofus in the back) "'Icarus'"
"...Works for me."
This kinda reminds me of ODST's from halo. Cool concept and great video.
One missed can kill 1200 troops! In 1 second. The enemies just begging you to use such a thing. What 1200 dummies are willing to space travel just to engage the enemy?
Sir 1200 ODSTs ready for duty we know we may not come home but we are doing this to protect earth, ODSTs prepare to drop!
I can see this coming back for combat drone deployment
if the US Navy opts to replace the nuclear propulsion system in their fleet of super carriers with conventional fuel cell i-HYBRID marine propulsion system
And I thought SpaceX was the first to think about consumer rocket transport
now the U.S. military is talking about to use the starship as a mobile transport I mean dude holy crap
4:53. Ahh the good times where one could say “roll cage? We don’t need no roll cage!” Men were men back then.
Elon, we want you to build this. You can send this video to the creators of the Apple sci-fi series "For All Mankind."
I'm fairly certain that the supersonic jet in that overly embellished picture with the jet pack troopers is the XB 70 Valkyrie. It would have been in development at around the same time. For anyone that doesn't know about it, there's a few fun videos on here for it. Look it up!
Thanks!
Sounds like an ODST drop pod with extra steps
The heat and noise of that thing landing would no doubt neutralize an entire grid square.
This is about as American as a bald eagle eating apple pie at a baseball game