I have known and studied with Hanshi Takamine for many years. He was a student of Taika Oyata for more then 40 years. Through Hanshi Takamine I met Taika Oyata and attended some of his seminars. I can assure you that what you are seeing is not "Bullshido." Everyone has a right to their opinion about the value of practicing kata, circular motion vs. hard kicking/ punching or importance of sparring when training. This art is self defense that focuses on how a person can control a situation and opponent regardless of differenes in size, age, gender or strength. That takes skill and a lifetime of study. It is real but a very challenging art to learn. It is dissappointing to see so many posts from practioners not able to see beyond their own experiences. Hanshi Takamine has continued the legacy passed to him from Taika Oyata and he is open to sharing his skill and knowledge with his students. I am very fortunate to call him my friend and teacher.
Trust me,,, I trained in this style for 20 yrs or so,,, I do KNOW from experience the locks & pressure point strikes are VERY painful & work in street situations,,, PERIOD!!! 2 of my instructors learned from him,,, Oyata was the real deal!!!
Thank you for sharing this. I had studied Shorin Ryu before studying Ryu Kyu Kempo (as it was known 35 some years ago) at the headquarters in Independence, Missouri. I personally felt the very strong Chinese influence in this style. I appreciate your research into this style. Many of the philosophical principles taught to me then, remain with me to this day.
Actually I can agree. Most of this traditional styles have their potential and advantages... but this mysticism and myths around deadly techniques ruined the image of good and interesting styles.
@@malmsProject It's not mysticism. Feel the technique before judging it. Feel tuite, it's a pain like no other. I've met so many practitioners of the style who understand the body at such a deeper level than the average martial artist. No magic to it, they just study the body more than most of us. Most arts can't make an armbar from standing work. Ryute can. Oyata's 3-pt armbar is the only form I've seen that works consistently regardless of size difference. They don't even call it a martial art. They call it a life protection art. So there are no claims of deadly techniques, that's literally the opposite of their philosophy. Instead they study how targeting the nerves affect the body in a no-nonsense way. Masters like Oyata could generate a lot of power through disciplined relaxation, and those strikes hurt like no other, especially aimed at parts of the body where the nerves lay close to the surface unprotected by muscle. He also had a method of skillfully sandwiching the arm, for instance, that he's hitting so that more of the force penetrates inside instead of going past the arm -- or even curve-balling the direction of the strike to where someone's balance is weak. That's why it looks like he gets people to fall down so easily. It was a science he was continually perfecting his whole life. It's the least mystical experience I've ever had training in martial arts. I'm not an expert on it, but I've felt these kinds of techniques enough to know it's real. Feel it before judging. There's honestly not a lot of material of his training methods on the internet, so you can't form a judgement from just watching some of the old demos. From what the older guys tell me, they used to have a heavy form of sparring, but it became less of Oyata's emphasis later in life. Some still do forms of sparring today though: facebook.com/HandsOfLife/videos/405840820205287 The modern training is down to earth. People don't seem to care too much about ranks anymore. You don't just do forms all day, it's mostly techniques. They'd think you're weird if you only want to do forms, actually. People just wear casual clothes and practice. Great people.
@@trinidadraj152 It's difficult to make armbars work from standing because you're not controlling the arm on both sides of the elbow joint as well as the body itself the way that you can on the ground using a wrist grip/knee pinch on the upper arm/legs across the chest. One exception to this is waki gatame in Judo where you control the wrist and the upper arm (by trapping it under your armpit), and it's your ribs that are used to hyperextend the elbow. But still not as secure as an armbar on the ground where the torso is controlled with the legs. It's simple physics/mechanics nothing to do with pressure point hocus pocus, and no the guys in this video aren't making any standing joint locks work against an actual resisting opponent.
@@RueTheDay001 Like I said, you can't judge by old demos. Most of the footage here are specifically from public demonstrations that were meant a bit for show. Meet the actual people who train the stuff. See how they actually train. There's no point in trying to prove the technique through reading/watching alone. You have to feel it to make an informed judgement.
Maybe the same person, but this reminds me of the story my late instructor told me. He was an old timer from JKA. Master Funakoshi’s intention in starting JKA was to have an open forum for all sorts of Karate to come together and practice together (thus no “school name”. It was a karate association, not Shotokan association or anything.). As such, practitioners/instructors from all sorts of walks came to practice back in the days. My instructor told me about this one particular instructor (I don’t remember the name), whose practice heavily involved pressure points. He recalled how always painful it was to spar with him, getting hit at very precise points. My training back then was all about knocking out or breaking skeletal structures of the opponent, and inflicting pure pain was a very foreign concept for me. I was very fascinated by the fact that such a philosophy and practice exists. Thank you for this video.
This system is derived from Okinawa Kenpo from Shigeru Nakamura. Seiyu Oyata was one of Nakamura’s top fighters. The system is based on full contact fighting with kendo armor called Bogu Kumite. While this video focuses on Oyata’s Kyusho Jitsu that is but a small part of the system. My Sensei Albert Geraldi (passed away last year) was one of Oyata’s senior students and was the first in the USA to be given the authority to teach Ryukyu Kempo from Oyata. His association as well as others have kept the Bogu Kumite in the curriculum. Kudo and koshiki spawned from this fighting.
I like this we do this in wing chun the meridian point strikes and like that this sensei believes in self defense for the streets and not sport and the different types of strikes at certain points at certain times of the day these are very deadly arts with hand conditioning makes this a very dangerous art
All about real-world self-defence and survival. Yet has Katas whose mysteries take years to unlock...? Do these katas need to be mastered b4 the style's self-defence benefits kick in?
I train under a student of Master Oyata. I have 6.5 years of study under my instructor. We learned Naihanchi shodan as the first real kata. I learned it as a white belt. Then the subsequent katas as I got closer to shodan. Through study they are ingrained in your muscle memory and honed through bunkai. As you get closer to black it should take hold and if you train enough and know it past memorization it’ll flow. This art takes years to perfect but when you know it you know it.
This video's description is exaggerated. Any Ryu Te people I've trained with... during a training session they'll go back and forth between kata and application. It's not that it takes year to unlock kata's secret, it's more that with years of study your mind opens to see how all the motions work together in ways you didn't expect. It's very rewarding. In the meantime, people I've trained with don't "hide" the applications. They could show the basic kata and immediately show you applications you can practice in live motion. It's not what you're thinking, like rows of people just doing static kata for hours with no practical application. There's a lot of practical application together with careful study.
Thats HANSHI TAKAMINE @5:06 Im a current student of his. Trust me, he is Oyata's most skilled student, no one comes close. Our school is Takamine Karate Dojo in Miller Place New York. Its the real deal.
That's Gong Fu but used by Japan and kept alive! If it's called Ryu that means Dragon and I think Te means Hand. So Ryu Te literally means "Dragon Hand." That's a badass name dude!
Ryu-te (Japanese: 琉手, Hepburn: Ryūte) is an Okinawan martial art founded by the late Seiyu Oyata (1928-2012) (親田清勇, Oyata Seiyū). The word Ryū-te is a shortened form of Ryūkyūte (琉球手 "Ryūkyū hand"). Ryukyu is the original name of Okinawa prior to it becoming part of Japan. Before 1995, Oyata referred to his style as Ryukyu Kempo (琉球拳法),but eventually renamed it "Ryu-te" as Ryukyu Kempo was a reference to all styles originating in Okinawa rather than to any one particular style. Ryu-te emphasizes effective self-defense while deliberately minimizing the harm to the opponent. Its practitioners consider Ryu-te neither a sport nor a form of exercise, but rather a method of training the body and mind for the betterment of mankind.
1:14 that man looks like Kanga Sakugawa to me. I wonder, how would you practise stress resiliance if you don't sparr? Because you need to have stress resiliance, if you want to be able to apply all that is a self defense scenario.
BS. That's the only way to describe this. Secretiveness and Obscurity does mean it's great or it's effectively, it usually means it's worthless, that's why nobody took notice of it in the past Okinawan Tuite or te is one of the most documented martial arts in the world. Since the great Okinawan masters decided to open up in around the 1903-1905, the art had been well documented. In 1920s the great masters got together and created a Karate Research Club, and every week a master will present a bit of their style and the others would learn from him....All the known masters of most Ryukyu te systems appeared there one time or other and gave a presentation.....Those that didn't -they didn't exist. And those that did attend were from all corners of the Okinawan Martial arts community. Apart from masters of the the main styles stemming from Shuri Te and Naha te, and the slightly more obscure Tomari-te, there are some who taught without defining their styles like Chotoku Kyan, and then of course there's Udundi- Udundi, which literally means "Palace Hands", was the most obscure of the "Systemic" Okinawa martial arts because it was practiced by the nobility and their guards. Last credible masters of Udunti/Udundi were the Motobu brothers. AFTER them, from what I could see 3 decades ago, it was alot of BS. BUT even Udundi was part of this Tode/Tuite research club. Outside of these circles there may be some even more obscure stuff flying about. BUT obscurity doesn't mean it's good - usually it means it's worthless. WHY BELIEVE IN OBSCURE BS??? This is something I have always wondered about some people. There are proper martial arts schools, case in point the kenjutsu schools in Japan whom we KNOW, and History recorded, of members of their lineage fighting in real Samurai battles, OR real duels, killed opponents (like Miyamoto Mushashi whose style Niten Ichi Ryu was founded by his adopted son). We see their style, their rhythm, their mental and physical training, their tricks to deceive or wrong time the opponent. None of the schools who have experienced combat, whether in Kenjutsu, Karate or Muy Thai or Jiu-jitsu deny the existence of pressure points or vulnerable parts of the human anatomy, but none would ever claim that pressure points alone would be sufficient to overcome a reasonably strong opponent. IN Chinese martial arts, the idea of Chin-Nah, (literally translation: Catch and Suppress) is like a set of vital points and joint attack techniques and knowledge which every style has a component of. IT'S LIKE Punching, every karate style has a peculiar way of punching.....but it would be BS to say "my style is called Punching and teach a secretive unique way of punching". OR cutting with a sword - no sword school would say "We specialise in Cutting ". Lol That is why this Ryu-te is nonsense.
I call BS, one has to spar to understand and familiarize themselves with body movement and what it's like to go up against an opponent. That's why Muay Thai, Boxing and Judo will always be the best selection for self defense. This looks shaky to me. It's like Aikido, those guys are weak when it comes to getting into a real fight. I would not waste my time with it.
Uh huh......okay Boomer Jr. we've seen this show before. And its always the same. In the fifty years I've been training I've met two teachers with real tian hsueh. I know its real, but I don't think this is it. What did PT Barnum say? Good luck out there. Keep practice and train for life. Laoshr #60 Ching Yi Kung fu Association
I have known and studied with Hanshi Takamine for many years. He was a student of Taika Oyata for more then 40 years. Through Hanshi Takamine I met Taika Oyata and attended some of his seminars. I can assure you that what you are seeing is not "Bullshido." Everyone has a right to their opinion about the value of practicing kata, circular motion vs. hard kicking/ punching or importance of sparring when training. This art is self defense that focuses on how a person can control a situation and opponent regardless of differenes in size, age, gender or strength. That takes skill and a lifetime of study. It is real but a very challenging art to learn. It is dissappointing to see so many posts from practioners not able to see beyond their own experiences. Hanshi Takamine has continued the legacy passed to him from Taika Oyata and he is open to sharing his skill and knowledge with his students. I am very fortunate to call him my friend and teacher.
Trust me,,, I trained in this style for 20 yrs or so,,,
I do KNOW from experience the locks & pressure point strikes are VERY painful & work in street situations,,, PERIOD!!!
2 of my instructors learned from him,,,
Oyata was the real deal!!!
Thank you for sharing this. I had studied Shorin Ryu before studying Ryu Kyu Kempo (as it was known 35 some years ago) at the headquarters in Independence, Missouri. I personally felt the very strong Chinese influence in this style. I appreciate your research into this style. Many of the philosophical principles taught to me then, remain with me to this day.
Please do one on isshinryu thanks
Good idea!
Catch this style in the next video with your comment bro!
Thank you for the shout out on your video. I'm dion1582!
Thx for the idea!
Love to see this on King of Streets against a fully resisting opponent
Some of this looks legit - the joint locks, specifically - but I'm getting some real bullshido vibes from these one-touch moves.
@@Chum_Kiu me to you don't have to sell be bs one touch knock outs
Actually I can agree.
Most of this traditional styles have their potential and advantages... but this mysticism and myths around deadly techniques ruined the image of good and interesting styles.
@@malmsProject It's not mysticism. Feel the technique before judging it. Feel tuite, it's a pain like no other. I've met so many practitioners of the style who understand the body at such a deeper level than the average martial artist. No magic to it, they just study the body more than most of us. Most arts can't make an armbar from standing work. Ryute can. Oyata's 3-pt armbar is the only form I've seen that works consistently regardless of size difference.
They don't even call it a martial art. They call it a life protection art. So there are no claims of deadly techniques, that's literally the opposite of their philosophy. Instead they study how targeting the nerves affect the body in a no-nonsense way.
Masters like Oyata could generate a lot of power through disciplined relaxation, and those strikes hurt like no other, especially aimed at parts of the body where the nerves lay close to the surface unprotected by muscle. He also had a method of skillfully sandwiching the arm, for instance, that he's hitting so that more of the force penetrates inside instead of going past the arm -- or even curve-balling the direction of the strike to where someone's balance is weak. That's why it looks like he gets people to fall down so easily. It was a science he was continually perfecting his whole life. It's the least mystical experience I've ever had training in martial arts.
I'm not an expert on it, but I've felt these kinds of techniques enough to know it's real. Feel it before judging. There's honestly not a lot of material of his training methods on the internet, so you can't form a judgement from just watching some of the old demos.
From what the older guys tell me, they used to have a heavy form of sparring, but it became less of Oyata's emphasis later in life. Some still do forms of sparring today though: facebook.com/HandsOfLife/videos/405840820205287
The modern training is down to earth. People don't seem to care too much about ranks anymore. You don't just do forms all day, it's mostly techniques. They'd think you're weird if you only want to do forms, actually. People just wear casual clothes and practice. Great people.
@@trinidadraj152 It's difficult to make armbars work from standing because you're not controlling the arm on both sides of the elbow joint as well as the body itself the way that you can on the ground using a wrist grip/knee pinch on the upper arm/legs across the chest. One exception to this is waki gatame in Judo where you control the wrist and the upper arm (by trapping it under your armpit), and it's your ribs that are used to hyperextend the elbow. But still not as secure as an armbar on the ground where the torso is controlled with the legs. It's simple physics/mechanics nothing to do with pressure point hocus pocus, and no the guys in this video aren't making any standing joint locks work against an actual resisting opponent.
@@RueTheDay001 Like I said, you can't judge by old demos. Most of the footage here are specifically from public demonstrations that were meant a bit for show. Meet the actual people who train the stuff. See how they actually train. There's no point in trying to prove the technique through reading/watching alone. You have to feel it to make an informed judgement.
Maybe the same person, but this reminds me of the story my late instructor told me. He was an old timer from JKA. Master Funakoshi’s intention in starting JKA was to have an open forum for all sorts of Karate to come together and practice together (thus no “school name”. It was a karate association, not Shotokan association or anything.). As such, practitioners/instructors from all sorts of walks came to practice back in the days. My instructor told me about this one particular instructor (I don’t remember the name), whose practice heavily involved pressure points. He recalled how always painful it was to spar with him, getting hit at very precise points. My training back then was all about knocking out or breaking skeletal structures of the opponent, and inflicting pure pain was a very foreign concept for me. I was very fascinated by the fact that such a philosophy and practice exists. Thank you for this video.
This system is derived from Okinawa Kenpo from Shigeru Nakamura. Seiyu Oyata was one of Nakamura’s top fighters. The system is based on full contact fighting with kendo armor called Bogu Kumite. While this video focuses on Oyata’s Kyusho Jitsu that is but a small part of the system. My Sensei Albert Geraldi (passed away last year) was one of Oyata’s senior students and was the first in the USA to be given the authority to teach Ryukyu Kempo from Oyata. His association as well as others have kept the Bogu Kumite in the curriculum. Kudo and koshiki spawned from this fighting.
Thank you for the balanced presentation
I like this we do this in wing chun the meridian point strikes and like that this sensei believes in self defense for the streets and not sport and the different types of strikes at certain points at certain times of the day these are very deadly arts with hand conditioning makes this a very dangerous art
All about real-world self-defence and survival. Yet has Katas whose mysteries take years to unlock...? Do these katas need to be mastered b4 the style's self-defence benefits kick in?
I train under a student of Master Oyata. I have 6.5 years of study under my instructor. We learned Naihanchi shodan as the first real kata. I learned it as a white belt. Then the subsequent katas as I got closer to shodan. Through study they are ingrained in your muscle memory and honed through bunkai. As you get closer to black it should take hold and if you train enough and know it past memorization it’ll flow. This art takes years to perfect but when you know it you know it.
This video's description is exaggerated. Any Ryu Te people I've trained with... during a training session they'll go back and forth between kata and application. It's not that it takes year to unlock kata's secret, it's more that with years of study your mind opens to see how all the motions work together in ways you didn't expect. It's very rewarding. In the meantime, people I've trained with don't "hide" the applications. They could show the basic kata and immediately show you applications you can practice in live motion. It's not what you're thinking, like rows of people just doing static kata for hours with no practical application. There's a lot of practical application together with careful study.
Please explore Wing Chun next.
RYU TE STILL SHARES IT'S PARENTHOOD WITH KAJUKENBO, KENPO KARATE, SHAOLIN KEMPO KARATE, SHORINJI KEMPO, UECHI RYU KARATE, GOJU RYU KARATE, CHUN KUK DO, MARMA ADI, KYOKUSHIN KARATE, AND ASHIHARA KAIKAN KARATE!
Thats HANSHI TAKAMINE @5:06 Im a current student of his. Trust me, he is Oyata's most skilled student, no one comes close. Our school is Takamine Karate Dojo in Miller Place New York. Its the real deal.
Wow
9:24 - which actually means “a blend of Chinese and Chinese influences combined with ….” :)
Those Isshin Ryu Pheonix Eye Fist Punches are extremely painful
I love Japanese jujutsu every much and kenjitsu
At one point Oyata was a strong advocate for Full Contact Bogu Fighting. Not sure when that changed or why.
OSU Thanksss
Five-Point Palm Exploding Heart Technique!
That's Gong Fu but used by Japan and kept alive! If it's called Ryu that means Dragon and I think Te means Hand. So Ryu Te literally means "Dragon Hand." That's a badass name dude!
Ryu-te (Japanese: 琉手, Hepburn: Ryūte) is an Okinawan martial art founded by the late Seiyu Oyata (1928-2012) (親田清勇, Oyata Seiyū). The word Ryū-te is a shortened form of Ryūkyūte (琉球手 "Ryūkyū hand"). Ryukyu is the original name of Okinawa prior to it becoming part of Japan. Before 1995, Oyata referred to his style as Ryukyu Kempo (琉球拳法),but eventually renamed it "Ryu-te" as Ryukyu Kempo was a reference to all styles originating in Okinawa rather than to any one particular style. Ryu-te emphasizes effective self-defense while deliberately minimizing the harm to the opponent. Its practitioners consider Ryu-te neither a sport nor a form of exercise, but rather a method of training the body and mind for the betterment of mankind.
SORYU TE Karate. I practice SORYU Karate. Now almost 59 years. I am 73 years old. And also wing chun
One of Taika Oyata's senior students offers zoom classes. Hanshi Peter Polander 10 dan. ua-cam.com/video/X34ipfmNrKU/v-deo.html
Yes, there is a red line over whivh not everybody is allowed to be taught. Paul. 69, retired instructor of Karate.
How is this different from the RyuKyu Kenpo taught by George Dillman that does pressure points and claims to be Okinawan too?
George Dillman just used something to get paid. LMK what part of the UsA you are and I can see anyone who can properly show you and explain to you.
Oh! There is NO comparison to what Dillman teaches compared to what Taika taught! Believe me!
1:14 that man looks like Kanga Sakugawa to me.
I wonder, how would you practise stress resiliance if you don't sparr? Because you need to have stress resiliance, if you want to be able to apply all that is a self defense scenario.
Everyrone Is a technical, but can they beat Goku tho? No 😂
How does an archer get better at archery 🏹….. shoot. How does a martial artist get better at fighting sparring
No competition and no sparring yeah this is bull 🐂 💩
Ninjucu no competition bull as well?
We spar
Add, another BullShitDo. There's a lot of them out there.
BS. That's the only way to describe this.
Secretiveness and Obscurity does mean it's great or it's effectively, it usually means it's worthless, that's why nobody took notice of it in the past
Okinawan Tuite or te is one of the most documented martial arts in the world. Since the great Okinawan masters decided to open up in around the 1903-1905, the art had been well documented. In 1920s the great masters got together and created a Karate Research Club, and every week a master will present a bit of their style and the others would learn from him....All the known masters of most Ryukyu te systems appeared there one time or other and gave a presentation.....Those that didn't -they didn't exist. And those that did attend were from all corners of the Okinawan Martial arts community.
Apart from masters of the the main styles stemming from Shuri Te and Naha te, and the slightly more obscure Tomari-te, there are some who taught without defining their styles like Chotoku Kyan, and then of course there's Udundi- Udundi, which literally means "Palace Hands", was the most obscure of the "Systemic" Okinawa martial arts because it was practiced by the nobility and their guards. Last credible masters of Udunti/Udundi were the Motobu brothers. AFTER them, from what I could see 3 decades ago, it was alot of BS. BUT even Udundi was part of this Tode/Tuite research club.
Outside of these circles there may be some even more obscure stuff flying about. BUT obscurity doesn't mean it's good - usually it means it's worthless.
WHY BELIEVE IN OBSCURE BS??? This is something I have always wondered about some people. There are proper martial arts schools, case in point the kenjutsu schools in Japan whom we KNOW, and History recorded, of members of their lineage fighting in real Samurai battles, OR real duels, killed opponents (like Miyamoto Mushashi whose style Niten Ichi Ryu was founded by his adopted son). We see their style, their rhythm, their mental and physical training, their tricks to deceive or wrong time the opponent. None of the schools who have experienced combat, whether in Kenjutsu, Karate or Muy Thai or Jiu-jitsu deny the existence of pressure points or vulnerable parts of the human anatomy, but none would ever claim that pressure points alone would be sufficient to overcome a reasonably strong opponent.
IN Chinese martial arts, the idea of Chin-Nah, (literally translation: Catch and Suppress) is like a set of vital points and joint attack techniques and knowledge which every style has a component of. IT'S LIKE Punching, every karate style has a peculiar way of punching.....but it would be BS to say "my style is called Punching and teach a secretive unique way of punching". OR cutting with a sword - no sword school would say "We specialise in Cutting ". Lol
That is why this Ryu-te is nonsense.
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Very naive!🤷🏻♂️
@@user-tn1zl2dk3v EXACTLY, ONLY NAIVE PEOPLE WILL BELIEVE THIS NONSENSE. It's BS.
The guy in the video is the teacher of George dillman. So, yes there is bullshido in this
You have no clue what’s you’re talking about.
No. Dillman attended some seminars, got a little training. But he was never a student.
I call BS, one has to spar to understand and familiarize themselves with body movement and what it's like to go up against an opponent. That's why Muay Thai, Boxing and Judo will always be the best selection for self defense. This looks shaky to me. It's like Aikido, those guys are weak when it comes to getting into a real fight. I would not waste my time with it.
Uh huh......okay Boomer Jr. we've seen this show before. And its always the same.
In the fifty years I've been training I've met two teachers with real tian hsueh. I know its real, but I don't think this is it.
What did PT Barnum say? Good luck out there.
Keep practice and train for life.
Laoshr #60
Ching Yi Kung fu Association
Circular instead of Linear …. bullshido alert
No it’s not. The circular Is mobile not stagnant in one direction.
Reeks of bull shit . Over acting 😂
Shorin Ryu