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"The first time I ever really listened to Kyle Kulinski’s show was in the back of a cab last summer. The driver had his phone hooked up through the stereo and was pumping out an episode through the car speakers - loudly, as if looking to convert a captive audience.
“Do you like Kyle Kulinski?”
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“He understands what we’re up against,” Ahmed said. “Like Bernie.”
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It’s an impression that wasn’t entirely incorrect.
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With over 800,000 subscribers and nearly 670 million total views on UA-cam, selling a progressive agenda is clearly something Kulinski knows how to do - even Democracy Now, the long-standing flagship of progressive media, cannot match his reach on the platform. Chapo Trap House can certainly boast a wildly devoted fan base (and a not insignificant degree of media influence), but their audience is roughly half the size of Kulinski’s.
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But unlike Hayes, Amy Goodman, or his friend Cenk Uygur of The Young Turks - who began airing Secular Talk on his web network seven years ago - the thirty-two-year-old Kulinski is virtually invisible in the mainstream media. Despite his enormous fan base, his show has never once been mentioned in the obligatory trend pieces on “the Millennial Left” pumped out by the prestige media. Nor has Kulinski’s name ever popped up at all in the New York Times, Vox, the New Yorker, New York Magazine, or the Washington Post, despite his leading role in cofounding Justice Democrats, the organization widely credited with sweeping Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and the rest of “the Squad” to power.
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Let's not forget this is an election year. Getting the word out there that politicians are quick to approve $$ to foreign wars, meanwhile child tax credit bill dies in congress just proves we don't have a government for us, Americans.
Wish more people where constantly demanding the child tax credit
Well.
There's so much money from AIPAC that it seems irrestible for either party to turn down the whiff of it.
Doesn't matter to Israel.
They own both parties.
Well it's true isn't it.
They OWN the US.
Foreign wars and random endless floods of migrants. Chicago CITY just approved an ADDITIONAL 140 million on top of 50 million to pay for Migrants JUST for year 2024. Assuming each homeless person could be housed for 1500 a month, this means that the 190 million could have housed 126,000 homeless Chicagoland for 1 year. One hundred and twenty six THOUSAND Americans.
I'm Swedish and we too used to lie our asses off pretending that mass migration did not impose enormous burdens on us. Even our social democrats now firmly say we CANNOT POSSIBLY go on like this.
If it’s war, no one ever asks “how are we going to pay for that?”
Ban AIPAC!!!!
Arrest AIPAC. They're flat-out abetting and aiding terrorism at this point.
AIPAC is now officially a terr0rist organization.
Overturn Citizens United v. FEC
And the AARP
Ban weekly donations over 500
In the 1920s England when people were protesting for women's right to vote, a woman threw herself in front of the King's horse during a race, she was killed but it drew attention to her cause and made people take notice of the injustice.
That's all pro-protesters love to say. Never anything further or deeper. Just mutter something about awareness, or solidarity, like the mission was accomplished and therefore worth doing.
Nevermind that protesters can almost NEVER draw direct lines from their actions to change. Nevermind the AirForce guy who self-immolated months ago either. Nevermind results.
And your story about Emily is not quite the truth. Her death did not draw attention to the cause or notice the injustice. To suffragettes she was that martyr, but it went no further than that outside of those already closed circles. The first world war helped a great deal more than her life, or death did. But the romantic notion is what keeps people going when they're doing something demonstrably stupid and probably pointless. So much so that they'd rather not look at it objectively.
@@mgs85 Spot on. The methods are demonstrably not effective.
The only protest that works is when there is a violent and non violent faction, because the idea of the one abhorrent faction leads the state to ally with the non violent, more moderate faction and grant concessions that way.
@@mgs85it's also worth noting that it's often people without political power or ability to actually effect change doing it in front of and inconveniencing others that also have no real political power.
The people you actually need to convince are in government and governments always have been and always will be amoral, goal-oriented organizations. The only question a politician asks is if they'll have enough votes on election day and often our politicians rely on the fact that you only have them or the other party, so their position is safe regardless and because of that there's no incentive to actually change their positions on anything.
MLK protests blocked roads to for civil rights this isn't a new thing
@@krystalneko4094 you need people to put more pressure on government this protest helps in that regard civil disobedience is pretty tame protest in the face of a genocide
"Can you guys protest in a way that we can easily ignore?" -the government, probably.
Ruining your life over a conflict that has nothing to do with you when we have our problems is not smart. For example Some of these kids at these universities are getting arrested and expelled losing out on hundreds of thousands of dollars in education that they will have to pay. It’s easy to say you’d do anything to stop a war , until you actually have to figure out how to pay for it
If pro-Palestinian protesters have a right to block roads and bridges then everybody does. Unless you're ok with anti-abortion and anti-immigration protesters blocking traffic everyday, you should rethink your position.
@@alans98989 What part of my joke makes you think I'm against protest?
If being inconvenienced is enough to change someone's mind on whether a genocide is bad, I dont think those people really cared in the first place.
It's just not being "inconvenienced" what if someone has to get to the hospital and protestors block them. That's bad
Sometimes people's views are self centered and they don't care until it affects them.
Yeah but if people don't care then how are we going to stop the genocide?
But they are changing the wrong people’s mind. Resentments will happen.
Any Palestinian in Gaza would kill to switch places with someone stuck in traffic, who doesn't even have to consider the thought of being blown up or starved.
I sympathize with the Palestinians but Pissing off regular people trying to live their lives is not going to win you many allies.
I think these protestors should go after the people in power. The ones in power are just laughing at the protestors while they collect their millions. Its like the 9/11 terror attacks. The civilians were clueless as to why they were dying and in reality had nothing to do with it. The billionaires just laughed at the whole situation and used the whole incident to gain more money and power.
That's the point of protest, to inconvenience and stop people from ignoring issues.
@@veronica-wolfmaiden5383 I completely understand that, my point is forcing ppl on your prioritization timeline, does not take into account real life situations in which ppl are more than justified choosing their own well being.
understand your point but all it's going to do is make somebody more angry at your protest. Because you inconvenience them and left them on a bridge for a couple hours when they really had something important to do. Is bringing awareness to an issue but if you ruin another person's day they're just going not going want to hear what you have to say. All they are going to remember is that you ruined their day not the issue you're trying to raise awareness for
@@badman3000 I understand this but people in gaza don't have to live with just an 'inconvenience', they have to live with permanent loss of limbs, family, home, food and security. I think that's more important and dire than being inconvenienced for a couple of hours a day. Unless it's a life or death situation of course. But if an inconvenience would turn them to support genocide then these people never really cared enough about the issue to begin with
This blocking the roads never garnered much sympathy, It rather harvested disdain and hatred so there are better alternatives as you have mentioned...
The reality when your protests effect your average citizen, you make people care less. Like tbh for a large majority of Americans the Israel genocide is so far down on their lists of concerns and making them late for work is not going to help that.
Any method that really works is illegal - looking for nice, peaceful ways is the utopia of fools.
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@@funandgames4645 How can they care less than they already do?
It's also a safety issue. Imagine someone on the bridge if they're having a medical situation. This is true for nearly all road block protests but more so in this case. They care about Gaza but cannot consider the impacts their actions may have on others.
Normalize cooperatives and labour unions. Workers make America run, workers should run America.🏴Ⓐ🇺🇸
If they worked they’d already be everywhere in America.
In America labor has no U. Are you a pinko commie?
@@e13kidits precisely because they work that they're not everywhere in America
@@e13kidyoure making the false assumption that what works is implemented. whatever makes profit is implemented and it often isnt good for the common people.
Take it up a notch: every industry should be represented through a caucus, with every industrial caucus belonging to a third house of congress. Let's call this hypothetical house the "industrial council". It would have legislative power strictly over economic matters and only employees, not employers, may participate in its operation. Each would have the constitutional right to declare general strikes either for their respective industry alone or together with other industries for strictly economic affairs (not cultural affairs because it should ideally be as non-partisan as possible to promote labor solidarity that transcends political differences).
The goal would be to grant American workers a section of government with real power solely dedicated to looking out after their interests. Corporations already have lobbying (bribery) rights, so it's only fair. Of course, it will never happen peacefully.
Making working class people hate you is not the way to help Palestinians, I agree more with the first 2 methods you described Kyle and they have a more direct effect, also blocking streets and freeways isn't just inconveniencing people it's dangerous too because there could be firetrucks on their way to put out a fire or ambulances taking someone to the hospital that's why to me blocking major freeways and streets is just plain stupid
Emergency services actually have their own access way to ohare that is separate. This is the commercial entrance.
So how is the working class supposed to organize when no one in the working class can be inconvenienced
@@claymusicoff5663 you could go to the politicians homes or place of work? There other ways to do things instead of going for the low hanging fruit.
I don’t think there is any way any form of peaceful protest that will get us what we want. We only got the civil rights amendment after what is called the burning Summer of 67 or something I can’t remember, but it was a summer of riot after ride after riot it was not peaceful, we only got the decriminalization of gay people after the Stonewall riots I wish peaceful protest did anything but I don’t think it does unfortunately
Well when being disruptive and peaceful doesn't work. Slowly but surely it becomes more of a riot. I'm confident they'll be riots, given how peaceful protest hasn't done much.
I work at a hospital in Northern California. When I saw the Golden Gate Bridge being blocked, I thought about the many patients we have who go to San Francisco for tests, procedures, scans. It may have taken them weeks to months to get that appt. Now they cannot make their appts. How long before they have to wait to reschedule? If they are trying to rule out something like cancer, extra weeks for a diagnosis may mean the difference between a curable disease to a managed one. What if an ambulance was in that clog of cars trying to cross the bridge? I think regardless of whose side you are on, pissing people off who have zero to do with decisions about anything to do with a war, is a wrong strategy. Go inconvenience the government. Do you think the people in the White House cared that there was a traffic jam in San Francisco? Or a few other places? The government does not care about the people. They only care about themselves and how things affect them. So plan a protest where it will affect THEM.
I agree but I also think limiting the disruption to the public to the level of inconvenience is acceptable. It's inconvenient to not be able to go shopping at your favorite store or quietly eat your lunch in the park as usual, for example. Not being able to get to work, reach your children, access medical care, etc. I don't think these things are morally defensible.
Protests like this will keep happening until Americans see them and think "America needs to change its Gaza policy"
Sorry about your patients, anyway.
Exactly! Lunch counter sit-ins didn't risk innocent people's lives and yet so many people compare this stuff to that. I wonder how many of them would support school shooters as long as they did it to "protest" the genocide in Gaza. I imagine not many. I have an appointment with my remote doctor and due to laws, if I miss that appointment I will lose my job because I won't be able to work and have to go to the ER or rehab because he is booked out so far and can't legally renew my prescription without seeing him at least once a year. I normally see him every 6 months but he rescheduled my last appointment and it'll be around 11 months since we last talked.
@@thenellierose People work at that store, and they are a lot closer to being homeless than the average person in general. So hell to the sorry but no, go inconvenience the Government employees, politicians and see how much they care. Fast forward to they don't.
No one is going to respond to this. Great point tho. Now if they were protesting mandates of the vaxx. Then kyle would bring up this exact point.
Let us not forget that we truly are in a “fuck it, let’s do ANYTHING to get their attention” situation, as evidenced by Aaron Bushnell self immolating. Desperate times calling for desperate measures.
Blocking roads in the name of your cause literally turns so many people against your cause
I’m sure the mother trying to get her kids to school so she can get to work so she can survive is going to be super supportive of the cause after losing a day’s pay and her kids missing school.
How effective was Aaron Bushnell action exactly? Try being smart with your protest.
R.i.p Aaron bushnell
@@brandonb.5304 I’m with you 100% I’ve been saying this exact same thing since like 2014 and the Michael Brown shooting. Especially thinking of like emergency vehicles (ambulances, etc). I’m just saying I understand why they’re doing it, it’s literally hit the “fuck it” point.
Hard against it.
We need to win people over, not piss them off. The green parties in Germany and other countries are absolutely despised by most for similar reasons, and I'm convinced that fact alone put us back years on pollution and terraforming issues. Companies know that and even funded some really annoying activist groups, and the point was to add fuel on the bad publicity. The sad part is, it worked. They won already.
Annoy politicians, force the hand of the rich, stop convoys from leaving, but for the love of goth, *STAY THE F**#CK** AWAY* from streets and bridges already. I beg you!
As a woman who has experienced rushing to hospital surrounding giving birth several times, had a member suffering from a heart attack rushed to hospital and also, many times, getting to international and domestic flights on time, delays cause blood preassure to rise with unexpected delays-- please, please this is not the way to protest, please. Karma includes causing unintended harm to others ( someone else on our behalf) we as Americans have enough bad karma to clean up.
Hear! Hear!
Sorry you lost me when you compared a heart attack and childbirth to being late for a flight. Do you know who else would really like getting to a hospital? People in Gaza, but most of their hospitals have been destroyed
FYI. They were open about their time and location. Most people just opted to take the train. If you are someone who gets anxiety over delays, I’m guessing you’re also someone who likes to plan ahead. You would’ve seen the news about a Monday morning protest and would’ve taken the train.
@@LeonardGreenpawoh please. Tell me you're chronically online, childless and have no job without saying it. Your privilege reeks.
Going to add for context for Golden Gate Bridge, if you're having a medical emergency, you're probably not going across that bridge to get care. You're either in San Francisco already in which case you're going to be going to a major hospital in the city, or you're in Sausalito or another North Bay city, and there will be other hospitals nearby to where you're at that are better to go to than waiting in traffic and toll booths on the bridge.
Picking Golden Gate Bridge is more symbolically important than anything since while visually iconic, it's not the highest trafficed artery in and out of the city, in fact it's the least traveled one of the major roads. They could have been far more disruptive if they had shut down the Bay Bridge, connecting SF to Oakland, or shutting down Market St or I-280/HWY 101 going down the peninsula.
Blocking traffic does nothing but create animosity towards those doing it.
Calling Isreal a democracy is like calling America not responsible for Isreal's actions.
It's an apartheid democracy 😅
Same with the NATO NAZIS.
@@Airith4 that's the thing people want to say that the citizens aren't responsible for this... But they totally give it the green light. They're just mad about 130 of their own because that means more to them than 30,000 other people
Aren’t you a vatnik?
@@WanderingExistenceyeah sadly polls in Israel say they aren't using enough force in Gaza. Albert Einstein called Israel a fascist state all the way back in 1952. Smarter man than me by far.
Being Pro Palastine, I would never be a jerk to everyone to convince Israel is committing gen()cide. Closing O’Hare airport entrance is the easiest way to antagonize your cause. I know how Chicagoans for living here a long time.
Are you pro palestine because they want apartheid sharia law, or because they throw gays off roofs?
It’s the airport I fly out of, but I use the blue line to get there and from.
"protest but don't do anything actually disruptive"
@@narcissa1112what is a protest in Chicago going to do? It’s a city that has people that more likely agree with you and even some elected officials that do. Why not protest in DC or government buildings? Why not at governor mansions?
Same. My understanding of being disruptive - is being diruptive to the POLITICIANS who will actually do something about it. All you're doing by doing this is ruining peoples day lol.
Idk i guess people are talking about this so its effective in that sense - but feels like this would just create resentment with your average person.
I am consistent on this issue. I was against the anti-vax trucker convoy blockades and I am against the pro-Palestinian blockades. Even though I am definitely against anti-vaxers and am staunchly pro-Palestinian.
In both instances, it’s an unproductive disruption that hurts people with no power, won’t change anything, and only makes your cause lose sympathy.
The place to protest and blockade is outside political offices and the homes of senators and congressmen.
I bet that’s been happening and has made the news
I never understood how these activists think that pissing off everyone in their everyday life will get them to agree with your cause…😂
Me either
I truly believe it’s because it’s the easiest protest to pull off and they think if it goes viral then they did good but they don’t. Historically it doesn’t change anything
They have nothing better to do. Doing this make them feel like they’re contributing to the cause when in the end their actions doesn’t affect the situation at hand.
Yep, if you piss me off, I am more likely to oppose you than to support you.
@@Alwaysbelieve619 Yeah. Just wasting their time. Like the marchers on the Edmund Pettus Bridge.
Blocking roads from people trying to work to feed their families never goes well for your cause.
Watch South Korea protest to remove their president. Went perfectly well for their cause.
Yep. Even Extinction Rebellion has learned this lesson.
Yet, the geniuses still did it and are surprised less people care and want them all arrested and deported. I know I do, and last week I didn't think that. So they turned an ally into an enemy.. great work, for Israel. 🤦♂️🤷♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤷♂️
Exactly it does the exact opposite. Just look at just stop oil morons
It was just for a matter of hours, not days and days. People are desperate to stop genocide.
Ironically, being stuck in traffic makes me genocidal.
Yea they are literally making enemies outta the ppl they need to convince 🤦🏽
@@mroctober3583 if stopping a person in traffic makes them genocidal maybe that says more about the person then the protesters?
@@Airith4 Right? Oh no you're late to work, what an atrocity!!
@@Airith4some people's jobs entail saving people's lives.
We don’t care
Protesting the politicians and the people in power doesn’t seem to have made an impact so the protesters may feel that this form of protest and the other forms of protest they are engaging in are all they have left to grab attention of those in power to get their message across.
Exactly.
People here have been protesting at Pelosi's residence and she just dismissed them as being Putin's operatives
You are assuming they care about airports. They fly private....
No they knew Boeing is a big player at ORD
Hell yes shut everything the f* down till politicians listen to the people and not AIPAC and the military industry. Shut it all the f* down until Israel stops massacring Palestinians.
Honestly, not a fan of the blocking roads protests. I dont understand how you garner support by passing a bunch of people off and disrupting things they have to do, not to mention the need for emergency use of roadways.
It's annoying. But it's been 6 months and the politicians still don't care. "Business cannot go on as usual." The world thinks Americans are selfish. They don't care as long as the war is going on in that part of the world. We have 40,000 US troops in the Middle East. What if people from there started setting up bases here? Wouldn't we feel threatened?
Leave out brochures with the addresses of THE FAMILIES of congress. All over. They'll listen.
@@VoiceOfTheEmperor That's called terrorism
@@cmleibenguth do I look Muslim to you?
The world thinks Americans are helping Israel defend western civilization from a cult that worships a serial killer, enslaver, pedophile God since it’s inception and will always wage war against any who do not submit.
Justice for the 270 million non Moseleums slaughtered by Moseleums since 700AD
Justice for Aisha (she was 6)
Its not the American people that the world thinks are selfish.
It's the government.
They seem to have been bought off in another countries interests rather than actually taking care of US citizens.
They're are enough people in the US objecting to this slaughter...
It's Biden and his gang that nobody likes.
I’m shocked the headline wasn’t pro Hamas protestors block bridge. Look at that, some progress…
It's San Francisco.... I wouldn't be surprised if they also didn't say pro-Putin operatives shut down bridge thanks to Pelosi's rhetoric.
They don't want to get sued for libel.
You do know that when they shout "death to America," they mean you too, right?
The problem is this is also slowing down emergency services, what if someone dies because an ambulance can’t get to them in time because of this.
Emergency services actually have their own access way to ohare that is separate. This is the commercial entrance.
@@Alice-df5lu ok, but what about all the other places, it’s not just O’hare where they did this.
Don't do anything at all got it.
@@LetsBringPeacehow is that your take home from this? Have you been chaining yourself to concrete on the highway? Have you been doing anything? Nothing then, got it.
Meanwhile Palestinians are being killed as we speak. We don't have to "what if" that. Unless you're ready to admit that you don't see the lives of Palestinians as equal value, quit your fake outrage.
When people look back on us as history, I don't want to be one of the figures who criticized people protesting genocide.
Even now, most people who live near the bridge are sympathetic to Palestinians, regardless of opinion on protest tactics. So I think disrupting the local economy this way does put pressure on elected officials.
I completely support it. Protesting is not doing its job if its not DISRUPTING!!!! This is the goal of protesting always. Kyle, you say target the ppl who are making the decisions. DO YOU NOT THINK WE HAVE TRIED THAT?! We have ppl across the street from Blinken's home in SHIFTS protesting 24/7 for 6 MONTHS!!! We have had marches, we show up at speeches, we have done everything we can think of and now its time to bring it to the ppl. FOR THE PPL BY THE PPL! Well, no one is going to get to carry on with their day until we ALL pressure the "decision makers" to make the right decision. If they don't then we can expect more of this and if it wasn't clear before I 100% support protesting in all ways possible. 34000 dead most children, as a mother I will do what I can to stop this.
This!!!!!! We’re on the verge of climate collapse how long have activists been trying 50 years now freaking crazy to suggest that writing senators and voting is the only way
Thank you
I don't understand why people don't understand if their skin is dark enough it's not a genocide
Some punctuation required for that sentence to make sense I'm fairly certain.
It makes sense. Apparently, it’s genocide only when it’s happening to white people.
The point of a protest is to be difficult to ignore
and ignoring Gaza is exactly what half of Americans have been doing, that's how many don't know whether more Israelis or Palestinians have died
THIS
The point of a protest should also be effectiveness in advancing your cause. This does the opposite.
@@synchronium24 the point of a protest is to create awareness about a cause. NOT to attempt to persuade the bystanders. If it was the latter- protestors would stick to sidewalks, handing out bouquets without yelling.
@@hulaharvest1 "the point of a protest is to create awareness about a cause"
This conflict has been discussed for many months straight in American media. I don't buy that lack of awareness is the issue.
"If it was the latter- protestors would stick to sidewalks, handing out bouquets without yelling."
And they would have been better served doing so. Not to say that method is optimal, but it is certainly superior to the actively counterproductive one they chose.
@@synchronium24 I guess they inconvenienced you. TOO BAD! I won't be seeing you out in the streets then. buh bye ( yes this issue has been front and center for 6 months and if your gripe is about how they inconvenienced ppl and not Palestine you are the problem not them)
My mom got stuck on the actual bridge when this happened. And she was in full support of the protestors. So not everyone is opposed to this tactic.
Just the vast majority of the public...
Your mom’s awesome!
@@waltergrace565 Reich winger
Your mom is gay.
Not this time but one of the past times had a friend who was stuck and expressed a similar sentiment. At first he was upset then he was like hell yeah when he realized what it was for.
Now if they could do that for universal healthcare and 4 day work week
Imagine if these people had jobs
Exactly.
Why would a bunch of jobless people care about a 4 day work week?
people are dying kimberly
Gotta love Aipac shills
Blocking traffic never works as a viable protest. It pisses everyone off and makes them less likely to care about the issue. Never screw over the people you need on your side
Shutting down traffic as part of a protest is just wrong. Emergency vehicles can't get to people who need help, which undermines the entire protest. They've done more damage to their cause than help.
The only problem with this tactic is that nobody ever goes big enough. They should be blocking like 20 major roads at the same time.
There were multiple actions, not just one.
Because there's only about 20 of them in any given location.
Which should have people asking themselves whether we should let the country be run by 20-30 nobodies in a given area, however many of those areas there may be. Kind of a drop in a the ocean against 400 million.
Yeah - go big...or go home.
The problem is that these selfish protests will get people killed because they won’t get to a hospital in time or miss a medical appointment they’ve been waiting for for months which could be a life or death difference.
Kyle please keep the world posted. Love what you doing young man. You are amazing keeping people like me informed b
Because people like me grew up in an apartheid era. And Mandela fought for that freedom.
Hilarious.
He has grey hair and earrings, he's not a young man anymore.
Have to go and speak up if that's the ONLY thing you can do...I will protest if I can... i left work and minneapolis Minnesota to go to DC...I WISH I could be on NYC protesting with them...Minneapolis is TOO QUIET about this...😢😢😢
The problem I see with it is that with any protest that involves blocking roads, you may be interfering with emergency vehicles that need to get by to save peoples' lives. This could contribute to the deaths of innocent people, effectively making the protesters no different than those they are protesting against...
Agree.
This is a terrible way to get people on your side since the instinct reaction of the people who don’t know what’s going on is to side against you since you’re being a problem to them.
Especially when for a large majority of Americans, the conflict is so far down the list of concerns for them in their daily lives and we can’t blame them for that
Yep you're only giving the opposite stance more content to use against your argument.
@@funandgames4645 If the conflict is so far down your list of concerns you should remember this poem - First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out-
Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out-
Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me-and there was no one left to speak for me
@@darryldunmore5184 yeah cool dude. And I’d agree with that but that has nothing to do with why it’s far down my list of concerns. My bills are more of a concern, my friends and family, my pay, my health insurance, and keeping trump out of office. All these things are more of a concern to me. Unfortunately I will be voting for Biden which means the Israel issue will have to take a back seat
I changed my mind.
Nothing is enough. Free Palestine.
Blocking roads causes way to many unforeseen problems for regular people.
Do you know who else is suffering from lacking roads to travel on? People in Gaza
@@LeonardGreenpaw two wrongs don’t make a right.
The people most impacted by the bridge shut down aren't "regular people" Sausalito, Mill Valley, and other towns on that side of the bridge are pretty wealthy.
@@anthonydelfino6171 wow!
@@keithhutchins8803 If only somoene told isreal that before they started doing a genocide
I'm with it 100%.
Right the protesters are unconvincing the people out but for a reason. I am from Africa and forward to your daily updated. To live under apartheid is not one of most pleasant things. Mandela was imprisoned for 27 years fighting for the freedom for all non white races. And he said we are south Africans are not free if Palestine is not free.
I don’t see a problem with this protest at all. The problem is with your militaristic work culture that makes people so fearful of being late or missing out on a workday, even due to circumstances outside of their control. Here in sweden, I’d just call work or whatever appointment or event that I’m not gonna make it to, tell them I’m stuck in traffic and NOTHING in my life would be impacted.
Shutting down highways and stopping average people the right to travel and get their business done is WRONG WRONG WRONG and they should have been arrested!
The entire purpose of doing it this way is to force people to look, to pay attention, to realise something needs to be done. This is like the argument that the Palestinians should have tried peaceful protest before. There has been peaceful protest. Most people don't notice or it gets squashed in the media. Think the media can squash this?
They already are judging by the mental midgets in the comments.
Yeah but a lot of people are more likely to think the thing that needs to be done is to subdue protests when the headline is about millions of people not being able to commute normally. Many people are more likely to think, "Damn. What if this happened while I was on my way to work? I might get fired." or "What if this happened while I was on my way to pick up my kids? My kid would be stuck and the school might call cps on me." I don't understand how this is preferable to people being more likely to wonder what the heck all those people were doing marching on the side of the road or congregated in a conspicuous place and possibly agreeing that things need to change.
I feel like at this point most people already have a pretty good idea of whats happening over there.
That's not what's going to happen. That's never what's happened.
As a San Franciscan, I applaud this protest action.
I made like $350 in overtime because of this lol
This is the pragmatic outcome Kyle needs to hear about in order to fully support the protest
@@rock.stones one dude making a shit ton in overtime which btw we don’t even know if it’s true, isn’t a good reason to support a dumb protest
It costed big corporations lots of money. They will ask biden to close down his stupid war.
Hell yeah
@@funandgames4645 protesting against a genocide is dumb... Found the liberal.
Protesting = good
blocking roads = not good
For it. We’ve been protesting 6 months and nothing is working . This is the logical next step. The risks will only increase if they refuse to listen.
How this help? You think plp in goverment say "ooo shittt they blocked john smith to go to work, lets fkin stop funding wars" its the same as going to a random person punching him and saying people are dieing in palestine. How did you helped? Do you think that person is gonna be by your side?
Being an inconvenience is the whole point. It's to bring awareness to what's going on. Protesting with signs has gotten us nowhere.
Ya only you’re disrupting the everyday citizen rather than elected official. Yes very smart high iq move!!
But you should be an inconvenience to people who have more power. This just makes people frustrated with the movement. Go block a senator's route or paint a complicit corporate office, but this just seems counterproductive.
But the people inconvenienced are not the ones in power and many most likely agree with the protestors. It makes protestors feel good but in reality a pregnant woman in labor may be kept from the hospital because of the action, that’s ok?
But honest question, how is this going to bring people to your side? If anything, you'll gain more opponents out of spite.
@@WanderingExistenceExactly this. Think about this. How did the protest blocking the interstate highway go a couple months ago? Look at how many people took a shit on them for blocking the road instead of changing US-Israel policy?
I'm open to a conversation about what more effective protest tactics are.
But so many people raging about them, i wonder how many times they were actually stuck in traffic because of a protest. 0 times? Once? It seems like people just get mad on principal.
You think we'd ever have made progress on civil rights if the only protests done were quietly off to the side in a park where they can easily be ignored?
I mean, for real, what would be a better tactic than disrupting things? Because sitting in a circle singing Kumbaya would have approximately no impact.
You block roads you block commerce you block profits. Then, the people who matter might pay attention because its hurting their wallets. At least in theory.
Okay, leftists really need to understand and come to terms with this little concept called "messaging" and "optics".
This is a terrible example of both those things.
If you let right wing arguments win the general public against your leftist policies, you’ve already lost. Medicare-for- all is a winning argument because right wingers cannot convince the public otherwise.
They hated OP because she spoke the truth.
If a protest isn't disruptive it's doing nothing but making the protesters feel good
No. Not necessarily. Not at all. Think about it. So all of the millions of people taken to the streets had NO effect on the genocide because they weren't disruptive? Just the act of taking to the streets changes things. If this didn't happen the past 6 months, Israel would have been even MORE barbaric and killed thousands more. Protests are generally to show the politicians that people are outraged. Just saying.
Yes, but if it disrupts your fellow citizens, it just pisses off people who don't have the power to change things. Why make enemies of those that want to be your allies? Disrupt and inconvenience those, with protest, that have the power to change things and who are not being responsive to the will of the people!
@@function0077 People hate disruptive protesters, but I'm pretty sure the overall effect on public opinion on the issue itself is positive. Don't have the time to find the studies rn but the assumption that people being mad at protesters is bad for the issue itself isn't a given,
Such a childish perspective. Just go see the just stop oil protests for an infinite amount of evidence about how completely backward your thogubt process is.
And if it disruptive, it turns everyone against their cause
If this was a better country Unions would have surrounded the White House by now. And prevented any food or electricity from getting in to joe biden. We would see immediate change. Our unions aren't that strong but they should be.
they are growing
Oh my, that sounds an awful lot like the disruption of official proceedings. An insurrection, even.
Do not lose hope. I want everyone to keep in mind here, that these monsters do not represent the overwhelming consensus of the people who are mad as fuck about this. We are watching the world change before our eyes. Keep fighting
It is best to stay calm when washing the dishes.
@@ownedinc4274 my @ name was relevant to me like a decade ago. Due for an update 😂
To add context, and I live here, Golden Gate Bridge isn't THAT highly trafficked, so they're making it sound like they hit a really important artery into and out of the city. Yes, it's big if you live in like Sausalito or are trying to get to/from wine country, but it's not the most important point of transit. It serves about 112,000 vehicles per day where as the Bay Bridge connecting San Francisco to Oakland services over twice as many vehicles estimating about 260,000 per day.
Shutting down Golden Gate Bridge is both more of a symbolic thing, and more of a target at the wealthy than shutting down transit for the every day person.
"You shouldn't inconvenience others with your protests blah blah blah" ---->almost all progress made in the last 100 years came from exactly this sort of protesting. Oh no, my sit in protest is inconveniencing people who want to eat at this segregated diner!
On the contrary, blocking normies in traffic is one of the most reliable ways to turn otherwise-reachable people against your cause. If you insist on disruption as a tactic, make sure politicians and big donors are getting disrupted, not Joe Schmoe and Jane Doe.
I wish we could be like France and have millions protesting in the streets over this. Too many of us would lose our jobs, so its hard to do what we really want to do
I usually don't like protesters stopping traffic but I mean the US needs to do something
But yeah holding regular citizens hostage on a bridge is totally gonna get you the result you want. Right.
@@Chevalier1632yeah only protest if it's convenient for everyone (sarcasm).
The fact that people don't like it is the point.
@@Airith4 Do you think putting sarcasm at the end makes the comment any less ridiculous orrrr?
@@akhilleus12 What kind of brainlet thought process is that?
"These protesters are disruptive and obstructing my day, so now I support them." Such flawless logic.
Disruption is the point
It won’t lead to anything.
@@justsomeguy6336 Bingo. Blocking traffic reliably does the opposite of winning people over to your cause. Even a radical group like Extinction Rebellion has learned this lesson.
Didn't they already do a poll or study asking people how they felt about what was going on over there and the vast majority didn't even know the situation as it really is, much less the amount of lives that have been lost senselessly. A coordinated effort to draw attention to this issue and multiple states at the same time makes it harder to ignore them.
Hard for it. I'm so sick of this double standard with Israel. So much bloodshed and no one is any better off today. This will fuel justified resentment for the state... Not antisemitism... But resentment for them having advantages over everyone else.
Nothing new under the sun, this double standard this one-sided bloodshed this theft of a country has been going for 75 years. I don't know what America will gain by cultivating the resentment of hundreds of millions arabs and two billion Muslims.
L take
What people don't understand, is that Israel is an outpost in the Middle East for the US and other western nations. Like a US army fort in the Old West in the middle of Native American territory to keep the Natives pacified.
Shutting down roads hurts business in a direct way. Maybe the message isn't to those stuck on the bridge, rather the SF bureaucrats.
During these major protests, it makes people aware of the issues. Reminding people of what to boycott and naming the attrocities
Should protesting like this be the first course of action? No. But when you've spent the past 6-7 months doing campaigns for calling/writing your elected officials, you've protested in front of their offices and homes and Congress and whenever they go out in public and done everything short of this kind of protest and still nothing has happened then absolutely this should be done. This gets far more attn both locally and nationally and it forces more people to take notice and puts more pressure on the politicians.
The thing about these sorts of protests, anyone who gets pissed off from it wasn't helping anyways. The goal is to force the issue into the public eye and make people talk about it. Disruption is necessary to shake people from complacency.
"anyone who gets pissed off from it wasn't helping anyways"
It's just not the case. Winning hearts and minds is slow, but it does work. This kind of protest that just makes Joe Schmoe and Jane Doe's life more difficult actively turns people who could've been won over against you. Even a radical group like Extinction Rebellion stopped using blocking traffic as a tactic because they realized it didn't work to advancing their cause.
No one cares
@@tylerharris4392but you’re on this video… so
@@synchronium24 No it doesn't. Every single time ive heard someone talking about protests like this exclusively negatively or doing the "making me support the other side" bullshit, they were always on the other side anyway. 100% of the time.
@@callowaymotorcompany " No it doesn't."
Your stubbornness does not outweigh decades of evidence to the contrary.
"Every single time ive heard someone talking about protests like this exclusively negatively or doing the "making me support the other side" bullshit, they were always on the other side anyway."
Well I'm not obligated to match your trend. I'm pro-Palestinian, and I'm not going to blindly nod my head to -ineffective- actively counterproductive advocacy.
The point of protest is to disrupt and inconvenience.
No. The point of protest it to protest what you disagree with… who the hell are you winning over by making people wait 5 hours in their car?
I mean, not always. But that was very clearly the intent of this one
See the civil rights movement blocked traffic too and they were seen as a nuisance but their cause was just
No. Not always.
I agree, but blocking traffic to where everyday people need to commute to work and put food on the table is where the line is drawn for me.
during the rise of the third reich, there were many germans who were well-behaved, model citizens. they were polite, kept to themselves, and didn’t make waves. even as their gypsy, jewish, and disabled neighbors were dragged away by the gestapo, these people turned around and quietly went back into their homes.
they were “the good germans.”
We can think of this on a deeper level. I understand that people feel inconvenienced because of the actions of these protesters. Conversely, though, Palestinians are not only inconvenienced, but are literally being slaughtered because of American tax dollars funding their genocidal oppressors. No one thinks of how Palestinians are inconvenienced because of American actions.
Exercising that 1st Amendment ❤
Blocking the route from Marin in to SF is dangerous in case of an emergency, blocking ambulance etc into SF. Protest in squares and public places - this stupidity will have the opposite effect.
Literally illegal to block public transit, but no one expected the left to actually know or care anyway.
That doesn’t include blocking people from where they need to go.
Cause not being hated is more important than forcing people to recognize a genocide. (;
@@TXlowlifeTX it's just b/c this conflict has a lot of publicity - 10x more people (also muslims) have been killed/starved to death in Yemen since 2016 but no one blocked bridges back then
so proud of my Bay Area people!
Me too.
Me too .
Me too.
I didn’t see a single pro-Ukraine demonstrator. I also didn’t see a single anti-genocide demonstrator or sign
Hire Ubers to sit on the opposite side of blockade to drive people with 'emergency situations'? I would be honored to be in that traffic jam. I just hope it is not when I am in an emergency situation. tough call.
That’s a 👍
I don’t think it’s of the interest of protestors to always be popular, having that belief is dangerous in the face of injustice we ourselves might not see. Protestors shutting down all of these locations brings attention to the issue of Israel-Palestine, it keeps activists motivated, and it brings attention from the government (bad almost always but still it forces them to look at the situation).
There’s no denying that targeting selective individuals is effective, though I’d argue both go hand in hand. One is for national attention, the other is to hold the people doing it accountable.
Thank you some things aren't a popularity contest.
These protests work. At least here in Europe. Protest any way you can and they will have to react. No matter the money coming in from the lobby, votes matter.
Oh yeah? Name one protest where 20 people have changed the countries course.
Those oil idiots sure aren't making any kind of a dent and they've been at this for years, and years, and years.
Idk those stop oil protesters seems to have everyone hating them over in Europe even people who agree with their cause.
@@kamifuujin He deleted my comment that said the same thing. People like this are a waste of time.
No one that is inconvenienced is going to side with them if they're on the fence, they'll probably be swayed against their cause.
If I was sitting in traffic waiting to cross the GG Bridge, I’d be like what’s goin’ on? Since I’m not going anywhere anyway…I’d just join the protest. Strength in numbers.
I think that you're right, there are tiers of protest and this is far from the top tier. But a protest that can be ignored will be ignored.
It probably just pisses people off and makes them be more against your cause because most people don't care about anything that doesn't personally affect them.
But that's also the point of doing it that way. By making it personally affect their daily life, now the conflict personally affects them. They might actually notice something needs to be done.
@@Zyo117 No. The conflict doesn't personally affect them. Your jobless rear standing in the road is affecting them.
What kind of ridiculous logic is that?
@@Zyo117 Some people that don't pay attention to politics / world events might go vote for a right wing reactionary because they work all day and are pissed. Not gonna be the case here because it's san fran though
@Chevalier1632 if people are stopping traffic to get you to think about other issues in the world its literally effecting you 😂😂😂
@@Chevalier1632 You must be really drunk or just stunned not to see how someone literally stopping your day to shove a point in your face affects your personal life.
I hope people are ok with the anti abortion crowd blocking roads and bridges because from their perspective, they are saving kids' lives.
It also makes it easier to pass anti protesting laws since people dont like to be inconvenienced and when the law comes up these events will be used to push it forward.
I get it, but myself and others have medical issues that we need to get to the hospital or the grocery store for meds. I don’t believe we should block main roads. I’m a progressive so don’t come at me because I, unfortunately, know what happens if I don’t make it to the hospital 😢it definitely isn’t helping the people of Gaza.
I am hard against it. People need to get to work. Some people may be going to job interviews, some people may need to pick up their kids. And worst of all emergency vehicles cannot get through what if somebody’s having a heart attack and they need to get to the hospital or the ambulance needs to get to the airport to pick somebody up and bring them to the hospital?! That person dies because the ambulance couldn’t get to them on time? You want to protest protest in front of the office of elected leaders, but the regular everyday people that are in those cars being blocked, have no power to do anything about this. They can’t make a call to Netanyahu and they’re blocking please stop bombing Gaza. All you’re gonna do is piss people off. It does far more harm than good.
Emergency services actually have their own access way to ohare that is separate. This is the commercial entrance.
This is the kind of thing that happens when our representatives refuse to listen to their constituents and actually represent us. So that's who everyone should be pissed at for this. Being inconvenienced by a traffic jam for one day out of your life is *nothing* compared to the hell Palestinians are in right now.
Exactly.
Thank you for a reasonable take. I bet all these people agreed with abolitionists and MLK and Ghandi but holding up traffic to protest a genocide...? That's too far bro.
Don't become like BLM. You will go from having people agree with you, to you and your platforms being rejected by America.
Ineffective protest strategy continues to be ineffective. News at 11.
So think of this. Rosa Parks refused to move to the back of a bus. It delayed the bus, inconvenienced all the people on it, and it was a protest. Yet most, even or especially those in power will praise her for the action. (In hindsight) its something some only seem to be all for when its in the past, not present.
What an awful comparison. Rosa Parks wasn't impeding the progress of the bus, and related traffic.
No, these protests are wrong. Protest politicians in power, don't enact protests that will hamper working class people trying to live their lives who have done nothing wrong, have no decision making power, and are just going to hate you and your cause for protests like this.
Kyle kinda doesn’t seem to get that the point of a protest is to be the biggest problem you can be until your demands are met
there is NO good way.
But there is a stupid way, and this was it.
Pissing off average people by making them late for work or missing a flight they saved months for, will only make them hate your cause
Peaceful protests that don't affect anyone are easily ignored. The only way to bring attention is to cause disruption
They're only hurting their cause with this
I don’t really believe white people respect the humanity of Arabs that’s why the protest won’t work. It isn’t because of their tactics it’s because white people just don’t respect the humanity of others. That’s why you support these wars
Yup, it’s great!
In SF most people are likely to want a cease fire and people use the bridges to travel into the city for medical care. I’d say it would be more effective to protest a govt bldg, Pelosi’s house etc. I’ve also always thought that the time and energy spent protesting could be used to fund raise for humanitarian aid, or another productive action.
The people in a democracy are responsible for the actions of its government. The government is not a thing separate from the people and to see it as such fails to understand wholly the foundation of democratic governance.
@@ownedinc4274 what does that have to do with blocking a bridge? How is it effective to keep a handful of the population stalled?
@@ownedinc4274 "The people in a democracy are responsible for the actions of its government."
Not in a way that translates to collective punishment. Otherwise both October 7th and the Israeli response in Gaza would be justified. I second OP that blocking roads just pisses people off. It's not an effective tactic for winning people over to your cause at all.
It’s cute how you think that ANYTHING will wake Biden up from his nap! 😝
If ACT UP can do it during the AIDS pandemic, it can 100% be done in this situation
Hard for it.
Like... This is a genocide.
I live in SF. They were annoying af for shutting down the bridge
Protestors should always seek to cost the government and corporations money. It's the only language they understand. This does cost them millions. That's why they target bridges.
Yes bridges well known for not making any money
@@claymusicoff5663 you understand that the country relies on bridges for industry transport and similar right?
I 100% hard agree with every single protest