For a moment at the end, I was expecting to hear “and don’t forget, sunscreen and subscribe!” but then I remembered this is Lab Muffin channel. Great video!
I should let my dermatologist watch this video. Especially to point out that I need to apply A LOT, so she can stop judging me for having an oily casty face because of her recommended sunscreens. 😑😑😑.
@@manyrural319 Probably expensive overkill but certainly doesn't hurt😁 When you're skiing or climbing Everest, however it seems more than advisable to use 100+
Literally found this channel today at 4:30AM (I’m in Chicago) and immediately recognized the quality of its creator and contents and subscribed immediately. Also happy to say that I’ve been using SPF 100 since I was 18, and just sunscreen in general since I was a child. Sunscreen has been my only moisturizer during times I was short on funds in my 20s. I’m 30 now and am in a better place financially, so there are more steps/products in my skincare routine, but I’ll never forsake SPF 100. I credit that and my mom’s genes for my youthful-looking skin. ✨
omg the Aussie GDP example is so vivid! I was so confused when spf is interpreted as how much uv being blocked, because it just doesn’t make sense why would ppl bother to block 1% more... thanks so much for this educated video! (Its really like attending an uni lecture!
Loved this video! 😃 I remember Lisa Eldridge once said that, according to a dermatoligist she had spoken to, for everyday use higher spf wasn't necessarily better (meaning higher than 30) because of the large increase in active ingredients needed to get that extra 1% protection (following the 98% vs 99% argument you debunked just now) and that over time you might develop oversensitivity to the active organic ingredients. Thus limiting your choice of spf you can tolerate and all the hassle that follows with this. What is your take on this argument? Was the derms knowledge on the area already outdated when Lisa spoke of this? (Sorry for the bad english)
In general, I think the derm was coming from a view point of the more things that are applied to skin, that's more that skin has to deal with and can develop a potential allergy. Derms are trying to promote the path of less harm and generally deal with people who have compromised skins. If you apply an aggressive active, that can definitely leave your skin more open to sensitivity and irritation. I definitely have that sort of skin, but if I can find a sunscreen that has higher protection that my skin likes, then that is the option I will pick. ❤️
That's a good question! I want to do a full video or post on this, but the short answer is: * Higher SPF doesn't necessarily mean more actives - it could be a more effectively formed film, it could be non-active ingredients forcing the light to take a longer path through the sunscreen film (this is easier to explain with an animation haha) * Not all organic ingredients are likely to cause sensitivities - for example Tinosorb M is particulate so it doesn't enter the skin, and in general the newer organic sunscreen ingredients are large enough to not absorb into skin - although in the US these aren't normally an option And as PamMilly mentioned, derms tend to see people with sensitive skin so the recommendations might not be as good for people with less reactive skin :)
What I'm curious is with SPF50 being made available, why are brands releasing lower SPF versions alongside their SPF50 products? Is there even any benefit choosing lower SPF?
I just discovered your vlogs. They are truly excellent. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. I am in the US and our sunscreens are labeled with Broad Spectrum. I am rarely in the Sun so I don't really pay attention to SPF or UVB, but I am concerned about UVA. Can you please explain how sunscreens such as Australian Gold which has 4% zinc and 4% T Dioxide is considered to have adequate UVA protection since my understanding is that to have full UVA coverage, sunscreen needs to be 15% or more of Zinc? Thank you
I read an article saying that higher spf tends to have a lower protection against UVA because they have to increase the protection against UVB, so UVA rays would be less protected. So I am quite confused is it really better to get higher SPF products? I am more concerned about UVA due to aging issue.
I found that sunscreens with higher content of active ingredients and a thicker consistency keep my skin from burning. Have you found this to be the case? My skin prefers powder formulas and slightly thicker consistencies. Some milky formulas, while having high concentrations of active ingredients (i.e. 20% +), I will still burn. Such an informative video, thank you!! :-)
What are your favorite sunscreens? Also, some sunscreens show drastically different percentages of active ingredients. E.g., SPF 50 with 24% zinc oxide vs SPF 50 with octicinate, 4% titanium dioxide, 6% zinc oxide. Which is better??
Hi Michelle I love your channel, your videos are truly educational. My daughter brought from Indonesia a sunscreen by Dermaplus with SPF 130 -for face and body. On the label there's written "4 star"? What does it mean? And do you think it's more protective than a regular sunscreen? I've never seen such a high SPF and trust you a lot. Thanks for everything
I always use spf 15 up to 30 bcos it feels lighter than spf 50...rather than not wearing sunscreen😭but now Im putting up with spf50 plus..Pa++++. Sometimes if the spf is too light n watery ..I use double...as an insurance for my skin🤔
I’m not sure I agree with her though. She literally mentioned that SPF doesn’t represent the effectiveness of a sunscreen. It only stands for the time that the sunscreen would protect you. So all that matters is whether you re-apply your sunscreen deliberately throughout the day. Based on her spf 50 and 100 example, if I reapply my spf 50 sunscreen before it stops working, I should get the same protection as the spf 100 one. The only thing is that people always forget to reapply thinking that their sunscreen is going to last a whole day.
hi michelle! I have a question regarding sunscreen and how long it protects our skin. someone told me the other day, that no matter how many times you reapply a sunscreen, that eventually it can't anymore? like an spf 30 *can* protect you 30 times longer than your own skin can. let's say this would be 6 hours (just an example). this person said that you can't protect your skin from the sun for longer than these six hours, even if you reapply, that eventually it reaches... I don't know, a limit? I didn't really understand and was confused and didn't really think that's true. but I'm insecure now and would like to know what you have to say about this? thank you so much!
Thank you for always bringing accurate and overall great and interesting videos ❤. If you don't mind me asking, once I saw you mentioned that even if the UV index was low like 2-1 without sun protection you could still get some UVA damage, is it true or I read it wrongly ? 😅
Thanks! Every 2 hours for full sun protection - whether you need full protection is another question, I talk more about it here: ua-cam.com/video/XULpx1jaREo/v-deo.html
It really depends but generally I'd say it's safer not to - it's the same reason as why mixing sunscreen with makeup (even if the makeup has SPF) doesn't guarantee effectiveness: ua-cam.com/video/XULpx1jaREo/v-deo.html
So it’s not true that you have to multiply the spf number by 10 and it will indicate how many minutes you could stay under the sun??? (Example: spf 30 x 10 = 300 mins under the sun.)
I'd like to learn about these percentages. I'm still confused whether to buy a sunscreen with the highest % zinc (which means a heavy white cast most of the time) altough the SPF is the same.
Good question. I use them to top up during the day and would love to know if Michelle Muffin has any recommendations! (love the way you've said "an Ecoglam SPF 50"! It makes it sound like a very sparkly power tool. So much more exciting than sunscreen! )
I hate the texture of the two I've tried, but they should stay on the skin better! I know some people (like Kind of Stephen) use them around the eyes, but I've already found some sunscreens that don't burn my eyes so I don't really need to use them :)
Hey Michelle, my sunscreen is a chemical sunscreen moisturizer with spf. Should I apply this on damp skin after washing like we do for moisturizer or on dry skin like we do for sunscreen? Also I really enjoyed your video on silicones but my question is does laying a chemical sunscreen over a moisturizer with silicones make the sunscreen less effective?
yes.. hard to find the right one that works for your skin plus have to worry about if they actually are protecting enough. hope it pays off in 30 years.
I use to hate sunscreen and never wear it until I discovered korean sunscreen. You should try YesStyle or Stylevana. My favorite is the Purito Unscented Sunscreen.
This was very informative but there is a question which I can't seem to find an answer to.. why choose a lower SPF than 30? When I went on holiday with my parents as a child they cycled through their sunscreen, starting with 30 then working their way down to 10 by the end of the holiday as they built up their tan. If the SPF rating just relates to the length of time it protects you, then is it just a case of use 10 if you can be bothered to apply it regularly or choose 30/50 if you want to apply it less frequently..?
Do physical sunscreens absorb at all, or only sit on the skin? I put a jacket on in the car to protect my arms from the sun (non tinted windows). But it feels like I'm just rubbing the sunscreen off. The same when I lean on something, or for example rub my skin. Note: I often use a chemical first, wait 8 minutes, then apply a physical. But I want to make sure I'm not accidentally sabotaging my sun protection.
Could you please do a video on tinted sunscreens and whether or not people should try to mix different sunscreens to get the right shade for their skin tone? It seems like a bad idea but there are lots of big youtube channels that recommend doing this -- is it actually okay to do this?
Most of the time when sunscreen is mixed with other products (like moisturizer or makeup products) you would have to put so much of that product that you makeup (for example) wouldn't look good.
In Europe it is not allowed to market any sunscreen above spf 50. Do you know why? The research you mentioned suggests that going above spf 50 is actually beneficial. This seems like an oversight. What do you think?
It's not allowed in Australia either - from my understanding, the reasoning is that high SPFs aren't reliably measured and the SPF label is based off a single experiment, so it could be misleading to consumers e.g. a sunscreen that tests at SPF 75 ± 15 might get a label rating of SPF 90 while a sunscreen that tests at SPF 100 ± 20 might get a label rating of SPF 80, so "SPF 50+" would prevent this from happening. I'm not sure if this policy will change based on the latest updated ISO procedure that's meant to increase reliability, or maybe when a more reliable in vitro or hybrid test rolls out...
@@LabMuffinBeautyScience Thanks for the info. Thankfully the rest of world is better at keeping sunscreen regulations up to date with recent science (wink wink FDA 😆) so we might be able to get higher SPF as well. ❤️
Do different formulations of chemical sunscreens effect the spf rating & efficacy of the sunscreen? I have seen chemical sunscreens with very low percentages of filter concentrations labeled as spf 50+... Additionally, I have seen two chemical sunscreens (one with spf 50 and one with spf 30) that have identical filters & percentage concentrations. Are sunscreen manufacturers allowed to lie about the SPF in their products? I feel like some are being dishonest... I have so many creams with identical filters and percentages, but the spf ratings are all different. How can I be sure the SPF rating on the bottle is accurate?
Omg, my question sounds so confusing... do you get what Im trying to ask? What I’m saying is that two sunscreens with the same exact ingredients can be labeled as one with spf 30 and one with spf 80. It is the formulation that impacts this, because the active ingredients (and their percentages) are the identical... it doesn’t make sense. I feel like companies just throw whatever SPF rating they feel like
Great and informative video as ever. Alas your maths @6:00 is out by a factor of almost exactly 2. The message is still correct, just that the maths is wrong.
Please recommend or do a video about higher spfs, but with mineral or physical ingredients. Avobenzone, all zones and aluminum are not healthy for us or the reef!
For a moment at the end, I was expecting to hear “and don’t forget, sunscreen and subscribe!” but then I remembered this is Lab Muffin channel. Great video!
Hahaha! I support this message :)
Simon Narode I love Dr. Dray, too!
Hahahaha Fair enough 😂😂😂
@@Ashaliyeva sameeee 😍😍😍
Sunscreen and subscribe !!
I should let my dermatologist watch this video. Especially to point out that I need to apply A LOT, so she can stop judging me for having an oily casty face because of her recommended sunscreens. 😑😑😑.
As always, awesome review and explanations! The myth that 15 SPF is 'enough' needs to die! I shoot for close 50 SPF when I can. Thanks for this video!
I shoot for 100+
@@manyrural319 Probably expensive overkill but certainly doesn't hurt😁 When you're skiing or climbing Everest, however it seems more than advisable to use 100+
Me too, I have a few 30s I like but mostly 50s. And I apply a ludicrous amount too.
@@manyrural319 I agree with you, I like my SPF the higher the better! One thousand anyone?
Literally found this channel today at 4:30AM (I’m in Chicago) and immediately recognized the quality of its creator and contents and subscribed immediately.
Also happy to say that I’ve been using SPF 100 since I was 18, and just sunscreen in general since I was a child. Sunscreen has been my only moisturizer during times I was short on funds in my 20s. I’m 30 now and am in a better place financially, so there are more steps/products in my skincare routine, but I’ll never forsake SPF 100. I credit that and my mom’s genes for my youthful-looking skin. ✨
It's Michelle, the sunscreen goddess...
Another awesome video - so happy you addressed UVAPF.
I love how detailed and easy to understand your videos are! Another great video! Thank you!
Your videos are always so informative, thank you!
I'm glad you like them! :D
Also, I found out that anti-inflammatory actives can slow down the erythema apparition !! So even the SPF label can be fooled.
I love my SPF 100+ sunscreen ❤️
omg the Aussie GDP example is so vivid! I was so confused when spf is interpreted as how much uv being blocked, because it just doesn’t make sense why would ppl bother to block 1% more... thanks so much for this educated video! (Its really like attending an uni lecture!
This is terrific - sharing with our fans!
Loved this video! 😃 I remember Lisa Eldridge once said that, according to a dermatoligist she had spoken to, for everyday use higher spf wasn't necessarily better (meaning higher than 30) because of the large increase in active ingredients needed to get that extra 1% protection (following the 98% vs 99% argument you debunked just now) and that over time you might develop oversensitivity to the active organic ingredients. Thus limiting your choice of spf you can tolerate and all the hassle that follows with this. What is your take on this argument? Was the derms knowledge on the area already outdated when Lisa spoke of this? (Sorry for the bad english)
In general, I think the derm was coming from a view point of the more things that are applied to skin, that's more that skin has to deal with and can develop a potential allergy. Derms are trying to promote the path of less harm and generally deal with people who have compromised skins. If you apply an aggressive active, that can definitely leave your skin more open to sensitivity and irritation. I definitely have that sort of skin, but if I can find a sunscreen that has higher protection that my skin likes, then that is the option I will pick. ❤️
That's a good question! I want to do a full video or post on this, but the short answer is:
* Higher SPF doesn't necessarily mean more actives - it could be a more effectively formed film, it could be non-active ingredients forcing the light to take a longer path through the sunscreen film (this is easier to explain with an animation haha)
* Not all organic ingredients are likely to cause sensitivities - for example Tinosorb M is particulate so it doesn't enter the skin, and in general the newer organic sunscreen ingredients are large enough to not absorb into skin - although in the US these aren't normally an option
And as PamMilly mentioned, derms tend to see people with sensitive skin so the recommendations might not be as good for people with less reactive skin :)
What I'm curious is with SPF50 being made available, why are brands releasing lower SPF versions alongside their SPF50 products? Is there even any benefit choosing lower SPF?
I love sharing your videos because they are so accurate!
You are so cute...I can’t take it! My kinda girl beauty and brains 👏🏾💕🙌🏾
thank you~ now, i know that i have been in wrong way for understanding SPF 😩
Yay! Glad to help :)
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Very very very informative! 🙌🏻
I just discovered your vlogs. They are truly excellent. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. I am in the US and our sunscreens are labeled with Broad Spectrum. I am rarely in the Sun so I don't really pay attention to SPF or UVB, but I am concerned about UVA. Can you please explain how sunscreens such as Australian Gold which has 4% zinc and 4% T Dioxide is considered to have adequate UVA protection since my understanding is that to have full UVA coverage, sunscreen needs to be 15% or more of Zinc? Thank you
WOW, looking forward to your vids and blog posts thank you so much very informative! I discovered you thru your article on paraben! 🙏🌼❤
Very informative, as usual. Thank you!
What's the highest PPD, yet most cosmetically pleasant, sunscreen you recommend? Thanks!
I read an article saying that higher spf tends to have a lower protection against UVA because they have to increase the protection against UVB, so UVA rays would be less protected. So I am quite confused is it really better to get higher SPF products? I am more concerned about UVA due to aging issue.
Do you have any video blogs on how to choose a good sunscreen? What ingredients to look for vs ones to avoid?
I found that sunscreens with higher content of active ingredients and a thicker consistency keep my skin from burning. Have you found this to be the case? My skin prefers powder formulas and slightly thicker consistencies. Some milky formulas, while having high concentrations of active ingredients (i.e. 20% +), I will still burn. Such an informative video, thank you!! :-)
I've found that with consistencies, but not really with active ingredient content.
What are your favorite sunscreens? Also, some sunscreens show drastically different percentages of active ingredients. E.g., SPF 50 with 24% zinc oxide vs SPF 50 with octicinate, 4% titanium dioxide, 6% zinc oxide. Which is better??
I have the same question
Hi Michelle I love your channel, your videos are truly educational. My daughter brought from Indonesia a sunscreen by Dermaplus with SPF 130 -for face and body. On the label there's written "4 star"? What does it mean? And do you think it's more protective than a regular sunscreen? I've never seen such a high SPF and trust you a lot. Thanks for everything
I always use spf 15 up to 30 bcos it feels lighter than spf 50...rather than not wearing sunscreen😭but now Im putting up with spf50 plus..Pa++++. Sometimes if the spf is too light n watery ..I use double...as an insurance for my skin🤔
i feel so educated. thank you!!!
So?
Could I keep using the neutrogena broad spectrum 110 spf?
I’m not sure I agree with her though. She literally mentioned that SPF doesn’t represent the effectiveness of a sunscreen. It only stands for the time that the sunscreen would protect you. So all that matters is whether you re-apply your sunscreen deliberately throughout the day. Based on her spf 50 and 100 example, if I reapply my spf 50 sunscreen before it stops working, I should get the same protection as the spf 100 one. The only thing is that people always forget to reapply thinking that their sunscreen is going to last a whole day.
Sunscreen is not the only way to protect yourself from sun exposure. It’s never 100% protective, it’s only a part.
Darling, you are my favorite!
Thank you so much!
hi michelle!
I have a question regarding sunscreen and how long it protects our skin.
someone told me the other day, that no matter how many times you reapply a sunscreen, that eventually it can't anymore?
like an spf 30 *can* protect you 30 times longer than your own skin can. let's say this would be 6 hours (just an example).
this person said that you can't protect your skin from the sun for longer than these six hours, even if you reapply, that eventually it reaches... I don't know, a limit?
I didn't really understand and was confused and didn't really think that's true. but I'm insecure now and would like to know what you have to say about this?
thank you so much!
Love this ☀️
You are magnificent! 🙌🏻
Thank you for always bringing accurate and overall great and interesting videos ❤. If you don't mind me asking, once I saw you mentioned that even if the UV index was low like 2-1 without sun protection you could still get some UVA damage, is it true or I read it wrongly ? 😅
Yes that's true - UV index only looks at erythemal UV which is mostly UVB, and some things like clouds don't affect UVA and UVB to the same extent :)
Very informative, thank you ♡
One question though: how do I know how often to reapply?
Thanks! Every 2 hours for full sun protection - whether you need full protection is another question, I talk more about it here: ua-cam.com/video/XULpx1jaREo/v-deo.html
Is it okay to mix sunscreens? I have been mixing Australian gold botanical tinted spf 50 and drunk elephant umbra tinte spf 30 1:2 ratio.
It really depends but generally I'd say it's safer not to - it's the same reason as why mixing sunscreen with makeup (even if the makeup has SPF) doesn't guarantee effectiveness: ua-cam.com/video/XULpx1jaREo/v-deo.html
So it’s not true that you have to multiply the spf number by 10 and it will indicate how many minutes you could stay under the sun??? (Example: spf 30 x 10 = 300 mins under the sun.)
Would you have to apply more of sunscreen with 8% zinc than one with 20% zinc even though they're both SPF 50?
Nope! SPF and active ingredients aren't directly correlated :)
Lab Muffin Beauty Science Interesting... is the one with more zinc better or it doesn't matter?
I'd like to learn about these percentages. I'm still confused whether to buy a sunscreen with the highest % zinc (which means a heavy white cast most of the time) altough the SPF is the same.
has she made a video on this %? it's something I don't get. is it the zinc particles or inactive ingredients?
Thank you for another excellent, informative video. What are your thoughts on the spf sticks? I just purchased an Ecoglam SPF 50 pa++++.
Good question. I use them to top up during the day and would love to know if Michelle Muffin has any recommendations! (love the way you've said "an Ecoglam SPF 50"! It makes it sound like a very sparkly power tool. So much more exciting than sunscreen! )
The PA ++++ is uva protection rating used in Asia. The more + the More protection.
I hate the texture of the two I've tried, but they should stay on the skin better! I know some people (like Kind of Stephen) use them around the eyes, but I've already found some sunscreens that don't burn my eyes so I don't really need to use them :)
Hey Michelle, my sunscreen is a chemical sunscreen moisturizer with spf. Should I apply this on damp skin after washing like we do for moisturizer or on dry skin like we do for sunscreen?
Also I really enjoyed your video on silicones but my question is does laying a chemical sunscreen over a moisturizer with silicones make the sunscreen less effective?
Would you be able to cover supplements for skin, like should we be taking collagen
I always use spf 30 in the summer&winter😅
I saw a video of something saying that there's no use to go higher than spf 50... what liers >:l
am i the only one who hates sunscreens and finds them too much work and pressure!!!!!
yes.. hard to find the right one that works for your skin plus have to worry about if they actually are protecting enough. hope it pays off in 30 years.
@@kite6864 yes exactly plus having to reapply every two or 3 hours and covering every inch of your body with it...just too much!!!!
I use to hate sunscreen and never wear it until I discovered korean sunscreen. You should try YesStyle or Stylevana. My favorite is the Purito Unscented Sunscreen.
@@allyb6483 but that one is not water resistent
@@theclassicalgirl I haven't found a water resistant one that I like yet but that's the one I use whenever I wont be in the water
This was very informative but there is a question which I can't seem to find an answer to.. why choose a lower SPF than 30?
When I went on holiday with my parents as a child they cycled through their sunscreen, starting with 30 then working their way down to 10 by the end of the holiday as they built up their tan.
If the SPF rating just relates to the length of time it protects you, then is it just a case of use 10 if you can be bothered to apply it regularly or choose 30/50 if you want to apply it less frequently..?
Do physical sunscreens absorb at all, or only sit on the skin? I put a jacket on in the car to protect my arms from the sun (non tinted windows). But it feels like I'm just rubbing the sunscreen off. The same when I lean on something, or for example rub my skin.
Note: I often use a chemical first, wait 8 minutes, then apply a physical. But I want to make sure I'm not accidentally sabotaging my sun protection.
Thank you so much 🌹🌹🌹🌹
Could you please do a video on tinted sunscreens and whether or not people should try to mix different sunscreens to get the right shade for their skin tone? It seems like a bad idea but there are lots of big youtube channels that recommend doing this -- is it actually okay to do this?
Most of the time when sunscreen is mixed with other products (like moisturizer or makeup products) you would have to put so much of that product that you makeup (for example) wouldn't look good.
In Europe it is not allowed to market any sunscreen above spf 50. Do you know why? The research you mentioned suggests that going above spf 50 is actually beneficial. This seems like an oversight. What do you think?
It's not allowed in Australia either - from my understanding, the reasoning is that high SPFs aren't reliably measured and the SPF label is based off a single experiment, so it could be misleading to consumers e.g. a sunscreen that tests at SPF 75 ± 15 might get a label rating of SPF 90 while a sunscreen that tests at SPF 100 ± 20 might get a label rating of SPF 80, so "SPF 50+" would prevent this from happening. I'm not sure if this policy will change based on the latest updated ISO procedure that's meant to increase reliability, or maybe when a more reliable in vitro or hybrid test rolls out...
@@LabMuffinBeautyScience Thanks for the info. Thankfully the rest of world is better at keeping sunscreen regulations up to date with recent science (wink wink FDA 😆) so we might be able to get higher SPF as well. ❤️
is spf 20 enough?
You should go for at least spf 30 but whenever I pick a sunscreen I go for around spf 50
i have a questio!!!! does skincare really work in sunscreans ?? for example niacinamide ??
Do photostable sunscreens have "higher spf" than unstable sunscreens because theuly last longer under uv rays?
They tend to be higher, yes! But not always ;)
Do different formulations of chemical sunscreens effect the spf rating & efficacy of the sunscreen? I have seen chemical sunscreens with very low percentages of filter concentrations labeled as spf 50+... Additionally, I have seen two chemical sunscreens (one with spf 50 and one with spf 30) that have identical filters & percentage concentrations. Are sunscreen manufacturers allowed to lie about the SPF in their products? I feel like some are being dishonest... I have so many creams with identical filters and percentages, but the spf ratings are all different. How can I be sure the SPF rating on the bottle is accurate?
Omg, my question sounds so confusing... do you get what Im trying to ask? What I’m saying is that two sunscreens with the same exact ingredients can be labeled as one with spf 30 and one with spf 80. It is the formulation that impacts this, because the active ingredients (and their percentages) are the identical... it doesn’t make sense. I feel like companies just throw whatever SPF rating they feel like
Great and informative video as ever. Alas your maths @6:00 is out by a factor of almost exactly 2. The message is still correct, just that the maths is wrong.
Hi can i use vit c and tretinoin 0.05% togethet in my night routine ?
Yep
7:10
Please recommend or do a video about higher spfs, but with mineral or physical ingredients. Avobenzone, all zones and aluminum are not healthy for us or the reef!