Remember, Haslam's truck stop company got popped for ripping off corporate customers. Upper management executives were prosecuted but Haslam was able to dodge any kind of responsibility. Jimmy's a slippery one.
The fans here in Cleveland know very well that the owner messed around with Stefanski’s offense to give Watson a better chance at success. Then they made Stefanski play Watson when he was clearly the worst QB in the league. It’s all about the owner and he is a major problem. Unfortunately, you can’t fire the owner.
All great points. However, most fans won't exercise what little power they have..which is to stop supporting the team in order to protest disastrous team ownership. These owners know the fans are too loyal to do anything about it. So most of the time, nothing ever changes.
Stefanski was put in a no win scenario this year. Either he DID believe in Watson this whole time, in which case he deserves to be fired. Or he DIDNT and Haslem wouldnt let him bench Watson and/or forced Watson on him in the first place, nuking the team's cao structure in the process, and he's gonna be the scapegoat anyways. And ive seen stefanski coach with a competent QB. Hes a good coach. Which is why (along with the entire history of Haslem's ownership tenure) im inclined to believe its option 2
@@MS-1 Stefanski got the Browns to respectability when he had a QB in Baker that he could build an offense around. The GM had assembled a roster that the media fell in love with. Year after year it was supposed to be the Browns year. I think that Tomlin and the Steelers have a losing record against Stefanski even though it took Baker years to surpass Big Ben's win total in Cleveland - either way the Browns had taken a big step up. Whose idea was the Watson move? I think the fact that no heads have rolled yet is a tell. Seems that like the Jets (Just End The Season) the ownership is why the Browns is still the Browns.
Stefanski isn't the problem. Haslem saddled his own team with Watson and killed the Browns first playoff window in 30 years. I can't wait till Haslem sells the team...
are we really gonna sit here and try to blame Stefanski for Deshaun Watson? going out and giving an unprecedented fully guaranteed contract to a guy who has 24 lawsuits against him and a suspension pending IS NOT A COACHING DECISION, THAT'S OWNERSHIP.... so when an OWNER mandates a decision like that, then whether that player starts or not ALSO IS NOT THE COACHES DECISION.... you could see it on Stefanski's face every week he had to re-confirm Watson was starting, he looked miserable and clearly wanted nothing to do with the situation that ownership forced upon the team
Ownership AND Berry. They both wanted “the Michael Jordan of the NFL”. Almost everyone else knew Watson wasn’t worth the trouble or the contract. These narcissistic football stars have a short shelf life and tall egos that tell themselves, “I have talent from God. I don’t need to study or practice”. Watson is the perfect example. Plus, there is no incentive to do well: “I already gots paid… I ain’t doin’ nuffin’ buts the bare minimum”.
If the NFL would guarantee to immediately replace them with a third version of the Cleveland Browns? I'd avidly support Haslam moving the team rather than reward him with a new stadium.
Stefanski is not the problem. The Haslams wanted Watson and Berry/Stefanski have to live with it. Watson's contract isn't helpng. Analytics is probably also one of the reasons as Watson was a great talent on paper.
He always has been trash. People like to bring up his first 3 years when he put up 5000, but he was throwing up ducks on broken plays to the best receiver in the league in garbage time on a 4 win team. He’s never been able to read a defense, or have a good arm, and the fact that they knew he sat out on his team for a year and they still tried to sign him while ignoring the guy who played injured all season for you is the dumbest part about it
Florio loves to point out and criticize teams that are content with being average and never really go for it, never really go all in. But he’ll criticize them when they do try to actually go for it and it fails
@@nistic5723 A lot better than Cleveland's. Stop acting like the Bucs weren't in pretty much every game till the end. They lost 2 superstar receivers to injury. Evans and Godwin are both in the top 20 WR in the league
@@douglasernst3559 But... But he's a two time choke of the year chicken dinner winner 3 and out king! 😂 And he got a playoff win. (Oh wait he was in the basement while Priefer and AVP coached that game). But he did come back the following week to get beat by Chad Henne!
The main issue is the owner --- Jimmy Haslam. Everyone knows he made this decision. So, the Browns can reshuffle the deck as much as they want, but as long as Haslam is still playing fantasy football with an actual team, the Browns will lose. Haslam simple does not know enough about football, but he thinks he does, and we have to many yes men.
Browns fan here - stability may be worth more than removing a coach that is above average (not great). The prior Browns w rotating coaching staffs - will be hard to attract players. And the Vrabl thing - if he’a so great why do they suck so much?
What lol? Vrabel is the fall guy now with little to no real influence on the team's performance lol? (If mediocrity and stability help you sleep at night with lowered standards and expectations I guess).
@ not a fall guy but people suggest he is an hc candidate for browns - but they make so many mistakes, is he helping? Do we know what he has been on? Perhaps mitigating the poorly performing o line and other offensive coaching?
Given the business structure of the NFL it is extremely difficult to spend your way to success, but it is very easy to spend your way to failure: Watson at the Browns, Wilson at the Bronco's, Rodgers at the Jets, Prescott at the Cowboys.
These guys… if a head coach gets fired, the GM can stay… if a GM gets fired the head coach is almost always gonna be fired as well… The Browns biggest issue is depodesat. All of the bad decisions can be traced back to Depodesta and his “vision” of the Browns… how he tries to acquire talent rather than draft and build a team for the long term, the way he tries to find a needle in a haystack instead of just finding guys that have proven themselves to be good ball players… it’s all got Depodesta written all over it… It’s also clear that ownership and Depodesta pushed the DW saga, berry and stefanski have to go with it… it was also obvious when they went 11-6 and fired their OC to bring in a guy specifically to help Watson… it was also obvious when they made the trade bc Depodesta has made comments about finding “proven” guys over drafting and developing guys… it’s also obvious when you look at how they sold their soul to make the contract work bc Depodesta has made it clear that he believes in going all in for a short window rather than building a foundation that’s competitive year in and year out…
Just feels like its a matter of when Stefanski gets fired not if (fair or unfair), if Pittsburgh beats the Browns tomorrow, I don’t see him making it through the weekend
Look at the lions coach Campbell he holds players accountable that okudah was the 4th pick of the draft but was terrible and he traded him stinkfanski doesn't hold anyone accountable and the players don't respect that
How did Dan Cambell not win coach the year over Kevin shitpantski??? He was clearltcthe better coach. The injury thing is something a good team should be able to do regurdless.
As a Bears fan, if Ben Johnson falls through, I'd happily take Stefanski as HC. I've seen what he can do with a decent QB (Baker Mayfield) and I'll happily take that for Caleb
Whoever pushed this should be gone. The owner may have OKd it, but didn't come up with the concept. It has YEARS of negative impact. That can't go without repercussions. Any business (except Wall St./Investments) where you make bad decisions that impact the business, you don't keep your job. I don't know why a catastrophic decision like this wouldn't be the same.
I’m old enough to remember when the Browns had Shanahan and McDaniel as coaches and Haslam forced Johnny Football on them. Have a clown as an owner, expect a circus
He’s a two time coach of the year he’s not being fired. Jacksonville will making a coaching change they don’t need to broadcast it people are not stupid we all know it’s coming.
Stefanski is definitely not the sole problem. He needs to fix a few things. But he wanted to keep Baker. Which is undoubtedly the right call. I think Stefanski bounces back big next season! Let's gooo BROWNIES. LONG LIVE #6 BAKER
The NFL doesn't give a s*it about what Mike Florio is saying or doing. Talk about a guy living in a fantasy world Florio sure is thinking he really matters to the NFL. He doesn't.
Berry’s answer about Watson was what he had to say. What is telling though is after the 2021 season when baker was hurt along with the entire offense and it was a disappointing season. Both Berry and Stefanski publicly strongly endorsed baker mayfield as the starting qb moving forward. The next thing you know Mary Kay said “I hear they want an adult at the position” after baker humiliated her earlier in the year for asking a genuinely dumb question. She obviously had ownership’s ear and wanted them to replace baker with Watson. She was gushing about them being all in on Watson. This is the same ownership that not long before all of this spent a million dollars for a study of QBs in the draft. The study said draft Bridgewater. The GM wanted to draft Bridgewater. The head coach wanted to draft Bridgewater. Some random homeless person wanted to draft Manziel. Ownership pulled rank and the team drafted Manziel. I have no doubt that Mary Kay was in ownerships ear over the qb decision. The woods decision and the rest of the offensive coaches that were scapegoats were solely ownership decisions.
You are blaming Mary Kay Cabot? Haslam was a complete idiot well before this year. See the ESPN article a couple years ago, which could have 10 pages added to it now
Kevin Stephenski and Kyle Shanahan in San Francisco have introduced new productive and winning version of winning football regardless who is the quarterback and all the great passing quarterbacks are not playing well this season like Aaron Rodgers and Patrick Mahomes and Justin Herbert and the Rams and the Texans and others except Joe Burrow who played well but not winning
Depodesta has been good. For years he had “his guys” at GM and coach. Good choices. Ownership instead hired the Hie Jackson’s of the world. The first time depodesta got his guys were Stefanski and Berry. The only real questionable thing depodesta did was contribute to the firing of Dorsey. But that could also be argued to be on ownership because Dorsey would not go along with ownerships dumbs decisions.
Everyone is missing the forest for the trees on this subject. Yes, the Deshaun Watson trade was a debacle, but he isn't even playing right now and the Browns are horrendous in many areas. Their defense is significantly worse than last season and their special teams is atrocious. I can't blame Deshaun Watson for that. The Browns organization collectively has failed, and that is why everyone deserves to be fired there.
I don't think public equity will put more pressure on management to change the bad decision makers. Like most business they will run try to maximize profits by cutting costs and overcharging for the same services. Why fire a coach if it means I have to pay this one and another one. What I think will happen is younger cheaper coaches will get more opportunity and maybe some more time to develop that will lead to success or the wasting of talent. I think Cincinnati is a prime example of what the future could be
Lol Watson will always be blamed even when he's not playing and when he's not on this team anymore. I wish he never came back and played football anymore
It's a joke. It's rigged! It's the good ole boys club! It's either incompetence or intentional sabotage. I am done with sports. It's not who I am. It shouldn't be that important.
Florio sometimes isn't even a good troll. At the space in time only a handful of teams wouldn't have wanted Watson even with everything around him. As I've said countless times "You can always see the future after it happens." Now it's a nightmare then it wasn't. I wouldn't have never gone it. Watson was great at putting up empty stats that look better than his play in big games and in the playoffs. Tam down 30-0. Sweet I'll pile up stats now getting 300+ yards and 4 TD but lose 40-28. That was Watson last good year.
Mike is always trying to blame this on the owner and let Stefanski off the hook. That is ludicrous! Usually, analysts, fans, coaches and front office want owners to spend MORE money. The owners spent a record setting amount of money and Florio thinks the owner is at fault because for spending a record setting amount of money?!?!?
Well I hope they play well though, meanwhile congrats to me on my recent success, I’ll say that I’m favored and blessed beyond limit, our God is indeed a covenant keeping God, 2024 brought my household a miracle of $37,000 every month, God has been more faithful to us Now I can afford anything and also support my business and family
I’ve been a fan my whole life and I’ll tell you now, this feels worse than 1-31. There is something that feels off with this and for the first time in my life I dgaf and spend my Sundays doing anything other than watching this shit show.
Remember, Haslam's truck stop company got popped for ripping off corporate customers. Upper management executives were prosecuted but Haslam was able to dodge any kind of responsibility. Jimmy's a slippery one.
Slippin Jimmy. Better call Saul.
JIMMY Hasbeen
Haslam sold Pilot/Flying J .
@@Cambu17 To avoid penalties and charges
Haslam and DePodesta are the problems. They never should have gutted their offense and fired their OC
100% agree. What the organization did to the offense was absolute malpractice.
Don't forgets berry..drafted RT wills and put at LT..
The fans here in Cleveland know very well that the owner messed around with Stefanski’s offense to give Watson a better chance at success. Then they made Stefanski play Watson when he was clearly the worst QB in the league. It’s all about the owner and he is a major problem. Unfortunately, you can’t fire the owner.
Stefanski has to grow a pair, he should have walked like Marty did.
All great points. However, most fans won't exercise what little power they have..which is to stop supporting the team in order to protest disastrous team ownership. These owners know the fans are too loyal to do anything about it. So most of the time, nothing ever changes.
Well said! Us fans here and Cleveland know the truth. No coach in the NFL believes Watson gives the best chance to win and neither does Stefanski.
Florio is 100% spot on with his analysis of Haslam and the organization.
The Browns should be thankful they’re not the Jets.
Stefanski was put in a no win scenario this year. Either he DID believe in Watson this whole time, in which case he deserves to be fired. Or he DIDNT and Haslem wouldnt let him bench Watson and/or forced Watson on him in the first place, nuking the team's cao structure in the process, and he's gonna be the scapegoat anyways.
And ive seen stefanski coach with a competent QB. Hes a good coach. Which is why (along with the entire history of Haslem's ownership tenure) im inclined to believe its option 2
They fire Stefanski and it will be another example of why this franchise never has become relevant. The poor fans😩
😂 Yeah OK. Sounds like a Homer who thought Hue Jackson was a good coach.
@@MS-1literally no Browns fans thought Hue Jackson was ever gonna be the answer
@@MS-1 Stefanski got the Browns to respectability when he had a QB in Baker that he could build an offense around. The GM had assembled a roster that the media fell in love with. Year after year it was supposed to be the Browns year. I think that Tomlin and the Steelers have a losing record against Stefanski even though it took Baker years to surpass Big Ben's win total in Cleveland - either way the Browns had taken a big step up.
Whose idea was the Watson move? I think the fact that no heads have rolled yet is a tell. Seems that like the Jets (Just End The Season) the ownership is why the Browns is still the Browns.
Remember when they said Baker wasn't adult enough to be the browns QB 🤣🤣🤮🤣🤣
Stefanski isn't the problem. Haslem saddled his own team with Watson and killed the Browns first playoff window in 30 years. I can't wait till Haslem sells the team...
I was excited to watch Baker Mayfield play, and then they signed DeShaun and I was like well I guess I'm not a fan anymore until they sell the team.
Mostly ignorant billionaires. But for them it's just money.
haslem ain’t leaving he’s literally getting a new stadium
😂 He's part of the problem (the Ivey Cult which includes Depotestical, Dingleberry, and Preventski).
Kevin is definitely part of the problem he doesn't have a head coach attitude or demeanor. Players don't respect him.
Florio is wishing upon a star if he thinks owners like Jerry Jones are ever gonna let anyone take their team.
are we really gonna sit here and try to blame Stefanski for Deshaun Watson?
going out and giving an unprecedented fully guaranteed contract to a guy who has 24 lawsuits against him and a suspension pending IS NOT A COACHING DECISION, THAT'S OWNERSHIP.... so when an OWNER mandates a decision like that, then whether that player starts or not ALSO IS NOT THE COACHES DECISION.... you could see it on Stefanski's face every week he had to re-confirm Watson was starting, he looked miserable and clearly wanted nothing to do with the situation that ownership forced upon the team
yeah but if he sounds like a hostage then he sounds like a scapegoat too.
Ownership AND Berry. They both wanted “the Michael Jordan of the NFL”. Almost everyone else knew Watson wasn’t worth the trouble or the contract. These narcissistic football stars have a short shelf life and tall egos that tell themselves, “I have talent from God. I don’t need to study or practice”. Watson is the perfect example. Plus, there is no incentive to do well: “I already gots paid… I ain’t doin’ nuffin’ buts the bare minimum”.
yep, that's the stupidest take I heard in a while. Stefanski is a great coach who has been put in a terrible situation by ownership.
The commissioner should have a discussion with Jimmy and say. "Hey Jimmy, why dont you give the fans in Cleveland a break and sell the team".
If the NFL would guarantee to immediately replace them with a third version of the Cleveland Browns? I'd avidly support Haslam moving the team rather than reward him with a new stadium.
Stefanski is not the problem. The Haslams wanted Watson and Berry/Stefanski have to live with it. Watson's contract isn't helpng. Analytics is probably also one of the reasons as Watson was a great talent on paper.
😂
He always has been trash. People like to bring up his first 3 years when he put up 5000, but he was throwing up ducks on broken plays to the best receiver in the league in garbage time on a 4 win team. He’s never been able to read a defense, or have a good arm, and the fact that they knew he sat out on his team for a year and they still tried to sign him while ignoring the guy who played injured all season for you is the dumbest part about it
@@MrDhen88u just flat out lied 😂
Nope analytics would have stopped this nonsense.
Conglomerates taking over football. Wow
Yeah a lot of us in TN despise the Haslams
Florio loves to point out and criticize teams that are content with being average and never really go for it, never really go all in. But he’ll criticize them when they do try to actually go for it and it fails
Andrew Berry is a clown too. Not sure why he always gets a pass.
Remember when Florio was banging the drum for the Dolphins to trade the farm for Watson? LOL I won’t forget that.
Browns, Jets, Bears, Raiders, Panthers, Giants. Clown Show Playoffs, Browns and Jets get the byes.
Don't forget the Cowboys
@ missed the Jags as well.
Look at the past moves, Manziel, Hue Jackson on and on. Haslam is a disaster. I can just hear him. "I want Deshaun and I dont care what it costs".
They deserve what they get as a franchise. Baker got done dirty. Hopefully tampa gets him a few guys to throw to next year.
Whats Bakers record again?
@@nistic5723 A lot better than Cleveland's. Stop acting like the Bucs weren't in pretty much every game till the end. They lost 2 superstar receivers to injury. Evans and Godwin are both in the top 20 WR in the league
@@matthewgabbard6415It’s a team sport you dunce.
@@nistic5723What’s Deshaun’s?
Browns 🗑
Stinkfanski is not a elite HC and never will be he doesn't hold anyone accountable
@@douglasernst3559 But... But he's a two time choke of the year chicken dinner winner 3 and out king! 😂 And he got a playoff win. (Oh wait he was in the basement while Priefer and AVP coached that game). But he did come back the following week to get beat by Chad Henne!
Or Kevin Stanki
The main issue is the owner --- Jimmy Haslam. Everyone knows he made this decision. So, the Browns can reshuffle the deck as much as they want, but as long as Haslam is still playing fantasy football with an actual team, the Browns will lose. Haslam simple does not know enough about football, but he thinks he does, and we have to many yes men.
Browns fan here - stability may be worth more than removing a coach that is above average (not great). The prior Browns w rotating coaching staffs - will be hard to attract players. And the Vrabl thing - if he’a so great why do they suck so much?
What lol? Vrabel is the fall guy now with little to no real influence on the team's performance lol?
(If mediocrity and stability help you sleep at night with lowered standards and expectations I guess).
@ not a fall guy but people suggest he is an hc candidate for browns - but they make so many mistakes, is he helping? Do we know what he has been on? Perhaps mitigating the poorly performing o line and other offensive coaching?
Given the business structure of the NFL it is extremely difficult to spend your way to success, but it is very easy to spend your way to failure: Watson at the Browns, Wilson at the Bronco's, Rodgers at the Jets, Prescott at the Cowboys.
Captain Hindsight is undefeated!
If Haslam has any decency he would sell the Browns and respect the fans in Cleveland--He won't.
Dont forget, Stefanski has to tow the line. I think he's smarter than that. They gave up way too much for too little.
These guys… if a head coach gets fired, the GM can stay… if a GM gets fired the head coach is almost always gonna be fired as well…
The Browns biggest issue is depodesat. All of the bad decisions can be traced back to Depodesta and his “vision” of the Browns… how he tries to acquire talent rather than draft and build a team for the long term, the way he tries to find a needle in a haystack instead of just finding guys that have proven themselves to be good ball players… it’s all got Depodesta written all over it…
It’s also clear that ownership and Depodesta pushed the DW saga, berry and stefanski have to go with it… it was also obvious when they went 11-6 and fired their OC to bring in a guy specifically to help Watson… it was also obvious when they made the trade bc Depodesta has made comments about finding “proven” guys over drafting and developing guys… it’s also obvious when you look at how they sold their soul to make the contract work bc Depodesta has made it clear that he believes in going all in for a short window rather than building a foundation that’s competitive year in and year out…
Just feels like its a matter of when Stefanski gets fired not if (fair or unfair), if Pittsburgh beats the Browns tomorrow, I don’t see him making it through the weekend
Stefanski will have no problem getting another coaching job because everyone knows Watson and his contract is a huge problem. This analysis is bad.
Bakers last game was the worst coached game I have ever seen.
Stinkfanski was given the second one when the Houston coach really won it
Preventski
My God... As hard as it's been being a Browns fan, listening to MH try to articulate a coherent thought about them is harder.
Mike funny as he'll 😂😂
if aaron rodgers is available for a d wat swap and some picks, the browns are absolutely interested. please tell me this is a thing.
Look at the lions coach Campbell he holds players accountable that okudah was the 4th pick of the draft but was terrible and he traded him stinkfanski doesn't hold anyone accountable and the players don't respect that
They kinda held Baker accountable 😅😅😅. Backfired.
How did Dan Cambell not win coach the year over Kevin shitpantski???
He was clearltcthe better coach. The injury thing is something a good team should be able to do regurdless.
As a Bears fan, if Ben Johnson falls through, I'd happily take Stefanski as HC. I've seen what he can do with a decent QB (Baker Mayfield) and I'll happily take that for Caleb
Stefanski sabotaged Baker despite making the playoffs the year before. This front office had no patience.
Whoever pushed this should be gone. The owner may have OKd it, but didn't come up with the concept. It has YEARS of negative impact. That can't go without repercussions. Any business (except Wall St./Investments) where you make bad decisions that impact the business, you don't keep your job. I don't know why a catastrophic decision like this wouldn't be the same.
Who was the driviong force/ Absolutely, Jimmy Haslam, for sure. Just look at his track record.
Haslam ran the team into the ground. Should’ve kept Baker. They had the formula
Stefanski is coaching with his hands tied behind his back. He isn’t the problem. I wished Haslam would sell the team to a competent owner.
Florio is taking coach speak far too literally. Of course he heard it, but denying that is part of the script.
Dingleberry dorsey deposesta are the problems
Myles Garrett don't have as much help on d- line as watt has.
I’m old enough to remember when the Browns had Shanahan and McDaniel as coaches and Haslam forced Johnny Football on them. Have a clown as an owner, expect a circus
If not for the cowboys... All in baby
he is not close to Marty. Marty took the Browns to two AFC championships games. Kevin has not done anything in the playoffs.
I think think 3 AFC championship games
@@MichaelSmith-uy4uino two Denver ones, the third one was Bud Carson.
Paul DePodesta was behind the Deshaun Watson debacle.
Hell with the browns go cavs
What exactly is he good at?? Baker Mayfield wanted him fired.
When the a browns fired John Dorsey, their problems began.
He’s a two time coach of the year he’s not being fired. Jacksonville will making a coaching change they don’t need to broadcast it people are not stupid we all know it’s coming.
Two time coach of the year
Best job in football is Steelers head coach. Hard job to get though.
Stefanski is definitely not the sole problem. He needs to fix a few things. But he wanted to keep Baker. Which is undoubtedly the right call. I think Stefanski bounces back big next season! Let's gooo BROWNIES. LONG LIVE #6 BAKER
The NFL doesn't give a s*it about what Mike Florio is saying or doing. Talk about a guy living in a fantasy world Florio sure is thinking he really matters to the NFL. He doesn't.
Berry’s answer about Watson was what he had to say. What is telling though is after the 2021 season when baker was hurt along with the entire offense and it was a disappointing season. Both Berry and Stefanski publicly strongly endorsed baker mayfield as the starting qb moving forward.
The next thing you know Mary Kay said “I hear they want an adult at the position” after baker humiliated her earlier in the year for asking a genuinely dumb question. She obviously had ownership’s ear and wanted them to replace baker with Watson. She was gushing about them being all in on Watson. This is the same ownership that not long before all of this spent a million dollars for a study of QBs in the draft. The study said draft Bridgewater. The GM wanted to draft Bridgewater. The head coach wanted to draft Bridgewater. Some random homeless person wanted to draft Manziel. Ownership pulled rank and the team drafted Manziel.
I have no doubt that Mary Kay was in ownerships ear over the qb decision. The woods decision and the rest of the offensive coaches that were scapegoats were solely ownership decisions.
You are blaming Mary Kay Cabot? Haslam was a complete idiot well before this year. See the ESPN article a couple years ago, which could have 10 pages added to it now
I stopped being a Cowboys fan this year. It can happen.
Kevin Stephenski and Kyle Shanahan in San Francisco have introduced new productive and winning version of winning football regardless who is the quarterback and all the great passing quarterbacks are not playing well this season like Aaron Rodgers and Patrick Mahomes and Justin Herbert and the Rams and the Texans and others except Joe Burrow who played well but not winning
Jeez Mike quit yelling!
Depodesta has been good. For years he had “his guys” at GM and coach. Good choices. Ownership instead hired the Hie Jackson’s of the world. The first time depodesta got his guys were Stefanski and Berry. The only real questionable thing depodesta did was contribute to the firing of Dorsey. But that could also be argued to be on ownership because Dorsey would not go along with ownerships dumbs decisions.
Fire him!! I, as a raiders fan need the browns to be worse than us.
so what is comeback player of the yr award...."previous yrs worst player"....let's not make things up brother
Everyone is missing the forest for the trees on this subject. Yes, the Deshaun Watson trade was a debacle, but he isn't even playing right now and the Browns are horrendous in many areas. Their defense is significantly worse than last season and their special teams is atrocious. I can't blame Deshaun Watson for that. The Browns organization collectively has failed, and that is why everyone deserves to be fired there.
I don't think public equity will put more pressure on management to change the bad decision makers. Like most business they will run try to maximize profits by cutting costs and overcharging for the same services. Why fire a coach if it means I have to pay this one and another one. What I think will happen is younger cheaper coaches will get more opportunity and maybe some more time to develop that will lead to success or the wasting of talent. I think Cincinnati is a prime example of what the future could be
Because they can negotaite coaching contracts.
This is garbage analysis. What is a coach supposed to do when the owner sticks him with a deal like the DeShawn Watson deal?
Grow a back bone maybe?
The Haslams are the worst owners in any major sport.
So for the sake of Kevin’s family, he should listen to you guys?
Lol Watson will always be blamed even when he's not playing and when he's not on this team anymore. I wish he never came back and played football anymore
It's a joke. It's rigged! It's the good ole boys club! It's either incompetence or intentional sabotage. I am done with sports. It's not who I am. It shouldn't be that important.
Stefanski is the problem, first it was Bakers fault, then Watson followed by Winston. Who's next???
Florio sometimes isn't even a good troll. At the space in time only a handful of teams wouldn't have wanted Watson even with everything around him. As I've said countless times "You can always see the future after it happens." Now it's a nightmare then it wasn't. I wouldn't have never gone it. Watson was great at putting up empty stats that look better than his play in big games and in the playoffs. Tam down 30-0. Sweet I'll pile up stats now getting 300+ yards and 4 TD but lose 40-28. That was Watson last good year.
Flavor of the month QBs ruin franchises. There’s a reason all of the greats are pocket passers.
This has all been ownership. Stefanski or Berry or both will be the next scapegoat or scapegoats.
😂 this is Cleveland we're talking about THIS is the standard
Stefanski getting canned and it’s not even his fault. Offense seems a lot better when the creeper isn’t behind center
Technically... there's still a creeper under center. Just not as bad as the one on the injured list
That would be a horrible move, so of course the Browns will probably do it
Why isn't DTR playing? Is he hurt? Browns need to play qbs that don't get much money and jettison the rest.
@@double2706and the dolphins have an abuser on their team, same goes for the texans at running back stop with the morals please
Preventski Bros coming out hard for a 39/38 win loss record 3 and out king 2 time choke of the year award winner lol.
Love when you have Jada Pinkett Smith as a co host
Haslem has to pay out that millions so ultimately it is haslem responsibility but I think it was stinkfanski who wanted Watson
He just advocated for Black rock to take over NFL teams
Love the fact that the moneyball approach didn't translate to football. Feels like an excuse to be a cheapskate as an owner
Slippin jimmy
Watson is the most overrated qb in the league
Does anyone rate him higher than “terrible”?
The GM is calling the shots in Cleveland.
Depotestical then Dingleberry then Preventski
Slipping jimmy
And then they beat the Steelers... thank u
Browns cant stop playing in mud, its fitting.
🎯Nothing to play for? Your getting paid to play football. It’s 7 games left, that’s a lot.
Remember this😮 when Haslam bought the browns😮 as the NFL was going down the elevators😮 the FBI was coming up😮
What a surprise...the Browns suck again
Mike is always trying to blame this on the owner and let Stefanski off the hook. That is ludicrous! Usually, analysts, fans, coaches and front office want owners to spend MORE money. The owners spent a record setting amount of money and Florio thinks the owner is at fault because for spending a record setting amount of money?!?!?
Mistake by the lake.....go Pittsburgh!!!!!!
Well I hope they play well though, meanwhile congrats to me on my recent success, I’ll say that I’m favored and blessed beyond limit, our God is indeed a covenant keeping God, 2024 brought my household a miracle of $37,000 every month, God has been more faithful to us Now I can afford anything and also support my business and family
Oh really? Can you Tell me more about this
This is what Melissa Jonas Richard does, she has changed my life.
After raising up to 37k trading with her, I bought a new house and car here in the US and also paid for my son’s (Oscar) surgery. Glory to God.shalom.
I’ve been a fan my whole life and I’ll tell you now, this feels worse than 1-31. There is something that feels off with this and for the first time in my life I dgaf and spend my Sundays doing anything other than watching this shit show.
Slippin jimmy