Usefull info! I've checked Ik multimedia tape machines using your method and there were no lower harmonics, looks like they have antialiasing in their plugins.
Some of them have integrated oversampling, and you don't even know that it's there. The only way to figure it out is to check your cpu usage... if it's a "heavier" vst, then it's probably oversampling.. or it's badly optimized lol
@@GrumpyEyeAudio I have uad signature bundle but after watching your videos, I was surprised that such a famous company like UAD, whose plugins are praised by many producers, did not provide oversampling
I only have the ozone vintage tape plugin and the softube tape vst which I like for its wobbly effect section. It's about 50€ I think. Have testet it with your method and did not find any popping up frequencies below the fundamental. It's tape effect is very subtle but the wobble can be adjusted really nice
Do you know the Rule Tec Heritage Pro by NoiseAsh? Would be interested in your opinion on it. Maybe you had the pleasure to work with the real hardware..
I am so jealous right now😂 Maybe you want to check it out. They say it's good😁 I bought it back then but can't say if it's close to the original. You could react to the tutorial on their product page.. it's pretty detailed and they even gain matched the dry and wet signal, so no smoke and mirrors😉 Not sure if there is a demo version.
I don’t understand the harmonics test. Isn’t the whole point of saturation to generate harmonics? Is the problem that it should only generate higher harmonics? edit: I watched your other video on saturation. It's super interesting. I had never considered the samplerate to be an issue with numbers as big as 44.1Khz, but I never considered that saturation plugins were creating frequencies beyond 22KHz. It's surprising that this is an issue, when the obvious solution would be to have the plugin sharply low-pass all harmonics it generates beyond hearing range. I assume there is a reason they don't do this, and instead favor supersampling (when they do). It's really interesting to know about either way. Thanks for the cool videos! ps: The Verve plugin reacts to input gain a lot. Your track was going a bit loud for its most distorting settings (like Fire). If you turned your track down, you have a much more palatable sound. I do understand that they could have given you an input attenuator however. Especially at that price.
Love this! Also dig the song and your voice :). I saw the other video about saturation, and I did have some thoughts, maybe just to open up a deeper conversation. Does analogue gear really introduce no folding at all? Or could it just be way less? Any chance you can test and show this? And when would folding become a problem, as long as it's lower in volume than the fundamental it shouldn't matter all that much right? Isn't it exactly the same as with the harmonics above the fundamental? And if then this is problem, isn't there a practical fix to keep this phenomenon in check (aside from the 80 dollar plugin you mention)? Couldn't one just like add a low/high pass filter in your chain before or after this saturation? Wouldn't this be good practice anyway? Anyway, good vid!
In laymens terms: analog doesn't split the information into ones and zeros. Foldback happens when the plugin is trying to create more desired harmonics (the ones that sound good) in the higher frequency range, but the resolution of your DAW doesn't allow that. These harmonics are then folded back into the audible spectrum. However, they fold back to frequencies that aren't natural harmonics of the original signal, and thus don't sound good and desirable, like the ones introduced before. Yes, a filter can make things a lot better, but then forget about using it on a Master, or important busses. For coloration in the creative stages, that would be a viable solution. Hope that helps.
"Oh my God" im with ya , i mean it just get worse from there, i mean allot of those effects can be done with over drive and compression adjustments in a much more refined way , it cant do all that, but what you get would likely be more usable
Im not a uad gan at all, but I know that all uads has fixed oversampling in 192 khz. This free version covers buying the studer and any other. Greetings
Sorry but is you could not hear the first warlbe example tells me a lot about your ears. That being said I love the hate on UA because the are the worst company out there. They hate customers and act like pasionated lawyers, ask them anything and you feel like actually being caught up in a lawsuit.
lol you just like to hate everything, do you? The difference is so small that it's barely noticeable. Especially when you take into consideration that my original track already has enough of it on most of my instruments.
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unbelievable that you don't hear the pitch variations at 5:46, no front
hear*
And I heard it afterwards, it wasn't that pronounced. my whole track has it already anyway.
Usefull info! I've checked Ik multimedia tape machines using your method and there were no lower harmonics, looks like they have antialiasing in their plugins.
Some of them have integrated oversampling, and you don't even know that it's there. The only way to figure it out is to check your cpu usage... if it's a "heavier" vst, then it's probably oversampling.. or it's badly optimized lol
@@GrumpyEyeAudio I have uad signature bundle but after watching your videos, I was surprised that such a famous company like UAD, whose plugins are praised by many producers, did not provide oversampling
I only have the ozone vintage tape plugin and the softube tape vst which I like for its wobbly effect section. It's about 50€ I think.
Have testet it with your method and did not find any popping up frequencies below the fundamental. It's tape effect is very subtle but the wobble can be adjusted really nice
Do you know the Rule Tec Heritage Pro by NoiseAsh? Would be interested in your opinion on it. Maybe you had the pleasure to work with the real hardware..
I did work on a real pultec, but I have never heard of this plugin :)
I am so jealous right now😂
Maybe you want to check it out. They say it's good😁 I bought it back then but can't say if it's close to the original.
You could react to the tutorial on their product page.. it's pretty detailed and they even gain matched the dry and wet signal, so no smoke and mirrors😉
Not sure if there is a demo version.
the 10k test tone is at what level, -1db? -2db? Please let me know cos I want to test it myself
Thanks, great review
I dont remember.. I think it was at -20
Love the oversampling and aliasing test!!!! Keep it Up!
I don’t understand the harmonics test. Isn’t the whole point of saturation to generate harmonics? Is the problem that it should only generate higher harmonics?
edit: I watched your other video on saturation. It's super interesting. I had never considered the samplerate to be an issue with numbers as big as 44.1Khz, but I never considered that saturation plugins were creating frequencies beyond 22KHz. It's surprising that this is an issue, when the obvious solution would be to have the plugin sharply low-pass all harmonics it generates beyond hearing range. I assume there is a reason they don't do this, and instead favor supersampling (when they do). It's really interesting to know about either way. Thanks for the cool videos!
ps: The Verve plugin reacts to input gain a lot. Your track was going a bit loud for its most distorting settings (like Fire). If you turned your track down, you have a much more palatable sound. I do understand that they could have given you an input attenuator however. Especially at that price.
Sharp (or any) filtering produces phase issues. They would be apparent in parallel mode. That's why you need oversampling :)
Love this! Also dig the song and your voice :).
I saw the other video about saturation, and I did have some thoughts, maybe just to open up a deeper conversation.
Does analogue gear really introduce no folding at all? Or could it just be way less? Any chance you can test and show this? And when would folding become a problem, as long as it's lower in volume than the fundamental it shouldn't matter all that much right? Isn't it exactly the same as with the harmonics above the fundamental?
And if then this is problem, isn't there a practical fix to keep this phenomenon in check (aside from the 80 dollar plugin you mention)? Couldn't one just like add a low/high pass filter in your chain before or after this saturation? Wouldn't this be good practice anyway?
Anyway, good vid!
In laymens terms: analog doesn't split the information into ones and zeros. Foldback happens when the plugin is trying to create more desired harmonics (the ones that sound good) in the higher frequency range, but the resolution of your DAW doesn't allow that. These harmonics are then folded back into the audible spectrum. However, they fold back to frequencies that aren't natural harmonics of the original signal, and thus don't sound good and desirable, like the ones introduced before. Yes, a filter can make things a lot better, but then forget about using it on a Master, or important busses. For coloration in the creative stages, that would be a viable solution. Hope that helps.
Yes, analog does not introduce aliasing.
Warble is what I remember a portable cassette tape recorder sounded when running out of juice.
nice track dude
I've always just got by using the included stuff in Ableton suite
would be interested in hearing about some good value VSTs
Damn... When you reference an older car to describe the effect... Damn. Waiting for them to use the M.Colt as a image for that effect.
Totally loving this channel.
"Oh my God" im with ya , i mean it just get worse from there, i mean allot of those effects can be done with over drive and compression adjustments in a much more refined way , it cant do all that, but what you get would likely be more usable
Saturation knob from softube is all i ever needed
It is quite useful isn't it
@@Notinserviceij right?? It sounds so good on kicks, snares and room mics
Im not a uad gan at all, but I know that all uads has fixed oversampling in 192 khz. This free version covers buying the studer and any other. Greetings
You can see that the native ones obviously dont have oversampling.
@@GrumpyEyeAudio what if I turn on plugin-wrapper oversampling in Reaper? Will it solve it automatically?
i have too many saturator type effect plugins already. so i skipped out on this free plugin.
I got it even tho I have many just cuz it’s free. Don’t need to install it but who knows maybe 1 day you might be curious
@@yael_valle I got it as well because it was free but I never used it because its such a highly situational plugin
I'm gonna be going to sleep with that track repeating over and over in my head...... but thats not a bad thing.
I am pretty sure at one point the full version is free, and then I will grab it.
UAD is always giving good stuff , in parallel processing this plugin it 's really improoving the sound ..
UAD is way over priced for what you are getting. There is a point with plugins where you are just paying for a name.
Just bought it for $50
Nah, I'm sticking with Saturn. I like that plug.
it's still really really good!
You wanted to hate it. It's obvious all throughout the video.
Love bad musicians confidently making UA-cam videos about things they don’t understand 😅
Sorry but is you could not hear the first warlbe example tells me a lot about your ears. That being said I love the hate on UA because the are the worst company out there. They hate customers and act like pasionated lawyers, ask them anything and you feel like actually being caught up in a lawsuit.
lol
you just like to hate everything, do you?
The difference is so small that it's barely noticeable. Especially when you take into consideration that my original track already has enough of it on most of my instruments.
Quality content again👍
thanks :)
...its free. What do you want lol. "Really" (annoying voice)
It's $200