My mom has this idea that since christians are the majority in the US, then they should be appealed to simply because there's more of them then non-christians. I keep telling her that that was not the reason why this nation was founded. It's not "Freedom for the majority", it's "Freedom for all". The comment that usually stops her in her tracks is: "Would you still support that if you weren't in the majority?"
@@aliciadoyle811 their is no bible. The old and new testament are two completely different religions and their are 32 other books that were cast out by the church. The whole book is basically written by fakes and its worthless.
Thank you for that. I was raised Christian, but have yet to settle on any belief system beyond the cycle of life, as well as natural selection. I have a lot of religious people that I work with ask me if I hate religions because I've turned my back on Christianity, when in fact I agree with you. I respect other religions and why individuals believe in it, but I don't want any part of it and to not have it shoved down my throat. Like Neil deGrasse Tyson said, we need to peacefully coexist.
Been saying this for years, religion and school should not mix. Religion is something you should do in your private life, not on school nor on your work. I am known to hate religion in general, mostly for what it stands for. But that does not mean I attack people for it just because I have a different opinion. Yet those that are religious are very often aggressive towards those that are not, which Neil also makes clear in this video. I couldn't care less what you are willing to accept as the truth according to your religion, I rather learn the actual truth then fairy tales. Let me put it this way, if a group playing dungeons and dragons (for example) comes to a church and tries to replace your believes with theirs. Wouldn't that offend and put a wrong picture of your world in place? Now that same group goes to a school in your area and tries the same, they teach their BS believes based on that game and not allow the actual truth. Wouldn't that be offensive as well? You go to school to learn the truth so you can benefit from it later in life. Get your papers so you can get a decent job once you leave school. Religion is NOT part of any regular job. Only religious related jobs, nun, pope, or what ever you want to call it, those don't even need it. You can just walk in and say 'hey i want to become a nun/monk' and they will allow you to do so, you will learn the religious part while being there. So religion and schools, no that is definitely not a good thing to have.
Religion and school can mix, if mixed correctly. Here in Finland, we are taught about all the major religions of the world and old mythologies. Religion is it's own class along with mathematics and whatnot. There's no teachers that go around telling kids what they should believe in, we take a look at the history of religion objectively and if someone decides to believe in a certain religion, that's their choice. Of course, it's no surprise that the majority of the students end up being agnostic or atheist, at least back when i was in school.
That's basically what happens in the Netherlands as well, yet if you do not believe in a god, you are often trown out of the classroom during that period of time. Which is basically rascism.
In history they only teach about certain people and societies..usually the ones who can kill and conquered the most..usually with an agenda to promote there society that’s doing the teachings ways. If they had a religious class they’d just do the same. Talk about the ones that have the most followers. For example a western school would probably just talk about the abrahamic religions Hinduism and bhuddism. That is unfair as each person has a right to make or have there own religion and views of god. None should get priority over another in terms of what’s talked about on tv public holidays or it might persuade people to join that religion as it’s done in countries like the USA. People shouldn’t decide to believe in god because it’s part of a popular religion. It would just promote or make it seem that god is or can be found in a religion.
I'm a Christian, and I completely agree with Mr. Tyson. Religion should be a private matter, staying the church, synagogue, mosque, etc. Science and Faith should not collide, but peacefully coexist. And I'm tired of people who take their faith to extreme levels and twist it to their own desires. Those kind of people are the ones that make the news and put a bad label on religion as a whole.
Ok please give ONE example of this evidence. I would love to compare it to the thousands of pieces of evidence for Evolution. And please don't say "Hurrr God is our evidence durrrr."
AND by the way, I would like to mention that I spent several years in seminary, so I couldn't know more about the Bible. I take a special interest in researching the areas of the Bible people like to take out of context and/or twist the meaning of. The only reason I left is because I'm the only man left in my family and I want to continue my family name...
This was from the first Amazing Meeting back in like 08 or 09. Type in Amazing Meeting and youll get alot of stuff. ill try to find the story =, its old but someone had asked before so i know its out there.
He's so bang-on with this. I completely agree; let people preach what they believe in, as long as it doesn't have such negative effects on your own life, whether it's knocking on a science class's door with a bible in hand, or being a religious extremist.
that's a HUGE generalization. I happen to be religious and I'm not like that. I want to know everything, but sometimes I do give up in my pursuit, not because I want to feel warm and fuzzy, but let's face it, Science is hard and complex. Everyone should be doing their best to poke their boundaries and expand their knowledge. My point is if religious people don't like science's current hypothesis, then they should try creating one which supports their view or find a place for it in their beliefs.
I am not joking. Neil deGrasse Tyson 2016. This needs to happen. We'll just vote for him, and see if he will do us the honor of being the most amazing thing to ever happen to America. If he says no, we'll just remind him of what Plato prescribes to people who are too smart for politics.
refers to both the study of modes of reasoning (which are valid and which are fallacious) and the use of valid reasoning. In the latter sense, logic is used in most intellectual activities, including philosophy and science, but in the first sense is studied primarily in the disciplines of philosophy, mathematics, semantics, and computer science. It examines general forms that arguments may take. In mathematics, it is the study of valid inferences within some formal language. To be clear.
That is part of why I am not affiliated with any political parties. Those in charge of the party or the church use your membership as political capital for what they believe. What you believe is unimportant. While politicians are smart enough to know that a church (like a union) won't swing all its members, there is power in numbers.
You are absolutely correct. Every single debate I have watched of "Dr." Craig goes like this: "I'm not saying Christianity is correct, I'm saying it's the most plausible. It's not up to me to prove it plausible, it's up to the other side to prove that I'm wrong..." LOL So, he is right by default, and everybody else needs to prove him wrong. Theism is an arrogant belief to start with, "Dr." Craig just adds the arrogant cherry on top LOL
I fully agree, I'm Muslim myself, and I've always said that people use religion to justify wrongdoing, not as a reason to do wrong. And as for the implication, honestly, i didn't mean anything by it, I was just reiterating the point that the guy above on this thread made. may have seemed a bit tactless, so i apologize if it seemed that way.
The existence of an entire universe when the laws of physics as we understand them make that an impossibility seems a pretty extraordinary bit of evidence.
Today's science & modern religion are wings of one truth. Teaching & discussing the concept of religions is healthy. "O son of being ! Make mention of Me on My earth, that in My heaven I may remember thee, thus shall Mine eyes and thine be solaced." ~ Bahá'u'lláh
Yes, that was my answer. And amendments don't necessarily help with clarity of the Constitution; they're just additions to the law. And when was the last time there was one of those? I will admit though, it would be interesting if religious doctrine had judges and lawyers to help set rulings on interpretations and such.
Religion in general(not only christianity)should be taught in schools as information.Not as something that is considered true or false.It should be like "religions claim this and this and we give you basic knowledge about the religions of the world and their history and branches and their possible arguments with modern knowledge".Whoever likes them and finds interesting stuff in them can study them further on his own"That would be a good school.
Oh, sorry, I think I wasn't clear enough. I was referring to this: "how do you know that passage is not literal?" I was not using this question in an accusatory way, I was simply curious. "While that small ... stone folks." - Was this your answer to that question? I seem to have lost my place of where responses flow together. The Constitution, however, is an ongoing process. Through amendments and courts establishing precedents, it is constantly being revised.
In addition to my first reply (lack of characters). Short history lesson: it was not unusual for people to become slaves voluntarily. If you have no home, no money, no family, etc, you could become a slave for a period (biblically 6-7 years). In that time you were supposed to be cared for, clothed, fed. There weren't "jobs" so to speak in those days. What Exodus is defining is the way a manager/what-have-you should treat their employees.modern paralell? McDonalds... Some break the rules though..
@melvin292 and if its quotes you want: "Question with boldness even the existence of God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear." - Thomas Jefferson "Religions are all alike - founded upon fables and mythologies." - Thomas Jefferson
I agree with this and wish my fellow creationist did as well. I homeschool because I dont expect our government to teach my children the additional curriculum required to give my children the opportunity to consider the creationist viewpoint (among other reasons). Since I desire for them to have that viewpoint taught to them, it's my responsibility to take up homeschooling and provide that. I will bring all points of view to my children and they will ultimately decide. Big shout out to Noah...
So natural selection is still working, but the time frame for any measurable difference is MASSIVE. Humanity is that way because, back when we were developing, empathy was successful. It allowed the bonding of people to advance progression of the species many times over. It could, in a way, be thought of as a vestigial organ, depending on how you view empathy. It was once useful, and if now one thinks it isn't, we just haven't gotten rid of it yet. Actually natural selection is very inefficient.
You asked a question and I gave an answer. And I'm not putting words in your mouth; I can only go off what's typed out on my screen here. At 3:11 am CST. Time and tiredness aside, my point still stands. One can still follow something that calls for them to seek a better understanding of it. The U.S. Constitution is the same; it's rather old, and we have people in place to help better understand and interpret it as the times roll on.
Religion is encroaching in the science classroom Neil, go get them! People have called Richard Dawkins 'Darwin's Rottweiler' I want people to call Neil 'Science's Savior'. North America as a whole, perhaps even the world needs people like Neil deGrasse Tyson, and honesty I think they need him way more agressive, yet just as friendly.
I completely agree with this guy, forcing attendants to follow a religion taught in the school is violating the freedom of belief which is one of the most basic human rights. Children are forced to sing these hymns and follow the religious propaganda even though the religious morals possessed within that religion may not even apply to them, it's completely ignored by law and I have never once heard of a lawsuit that has been filed against this type of behavior.
If we truly had the option of choosing whether or not to sin, not every human would be guilty of it. No Christian has the liberty of saying they have never sinned, because (according to the doctrine) everyone is "born" in sin. I don't think its impossible that a person(s) exist/s somewhere, who has never "sinned" in their life. But that person or those people can't say they have never sinned. It's not about choice.
In a way, you are making my point. You and I have a moral code. You pick the parts of your Bible that fit your code and call them wisdom or holiness or whatever, then look at the parts you don't like and discard them. I have read the whole Bible (except the begats) more than once. I realized that MY morality was (overall) better than that in the Bible. So rather than believe the parts that agreed with me were somehow from god, I came to the realization that I did not need that book.
I was not meaning to imply that, I was merely using a linguistic shortcut. I'm well aware of Christianity's doctrine as I was thoroughly raised in it. Either way, it can still easily be extrapolated - reread the comment but insert the corrections you made and change it to something like "in a way that could be lost in translation." Ah, now you're putting words in my mouth. I assure you, I meant that with the utmost sincerity. I am not being accusatory, I would simply like to know. I'm curious.
My question is: what happened to the pairs of deer and antelope and rats and bunnies when they were allowed off the ark with the last two lions, tigers, bears, wolves, jackals, and hawks, etc.? And after the last predators had eaten most of the last prey animals, how did they survive? I guess rabbits and rats might have bred on the boat, but pigs and antelope and such would have been in short supply.
I don't understand why people are so polar on arguments like this. I personally am a Christian, however, I think both sides fail to hear eachothers arguments. Religious people should see how science works with their faith and scientific people should look to see if there is any merit to what the religious people assert. Obviously, some religious arguments can't be proven or tested scientifically, which is where no matter which side you are on, you have to be prepared to take something on faith.
Bable, I agree with you on most of what your saying. But values/morals fall into the realm of psychology, neuroscience and biology. They can be answered through a Scientific method. I would suggest watching a TED talks by Sam Harris on this issue, also , his book. The Moral Landscape.
Well, I was trying to bridge the gap between the 2 arguments, and I don't need you calling my religion names. I was respectful to both sides, both of which I partially agree. If you don't want to believe there can be a middle-ground that's your prerogative. I just was just trying to let you know that not everyone is like you perceive.
@BigOleTaterTV there is this Christian saying that goes: "hate the sin love the sinner" , I. This forum we atheists turn it around to explain our disdain for organized religion. " hate the religion, love the religious"
If you review the equation for quantum fluctuations you will see that it is dependent on change in time. But if there is no time there is no change. This is exactly my point. All modeling equations stop working at 10E−36 seconds after the Big Bang. The inflationary theory deals with time from this point to 10e−32 seconds it is here fluctuation comes into play.
the amazing part is that even this guy could be saved by the grace of god, no matter how he wants to preach his science ( note that science changes but God doesnt)
That's not a contradiction; that's a matter of the terms used for the times. And as you said, people and their beliefs evolve. How often do you hear about anyone stoning their child for being bad?
@grandtheftauto5588 Here's a bomb shell for you. "Random" doesn't exist. It's just a word we use to label occurrences that have too many variables to calculate the exact workings of the process or cause. Even a rock rolling down a hill doesn't do so randomly, there are physics and laws associated with absolutely everything it does. It's no more random than if I drop a book it falls on the floor. Consciously made actions are something that we understand, so we tend to project that onto existence.
Love to see my comments defending my opinions were flagged as spam, while the ignorant comments I responded and conversed with are still up. Please respect my freedom of speech as it also protects your freedom to practice mythology.
If you're going of the Epic of Gilgamesh, then no, Gilgamesh didn't have a little Noah's Ark type thing. The only connection I can think of between the Sumerian Gilgamesh and a flood story is that Gilgamesh sought out the boatman Utnapishtim in his search for immortality. Utnapishtim would be the equivalent to Noah, not Gilgamesh.
In order for religion to insure it's survival, it must, by nature, be inhospitable to all other religions and people with no religion. Different races come from different cultures and religions so it should be not surprising that racism is a natural result of religion.
not to defend slavery but I see people pick on things like this all the time. What Exodus is calling "slavery" is more like "indentured servitude." It contains a list of how the master and "slave" should treat each other. The daughter thing is speaking in terms of marriage and how they should respectively treat each other. Hosea is speaking of God lifting his protection on Samaria and what their fate is/will be. These are just a few of the things commonly misinterpreted.
We got a ton of those guys, and he is really good at it, no doubt. But amicable, scientific, politically-savvy people are the rarest substance in the universe.
While many slaves may have worked as household servants, that doesn't mean that they were not slaves who were bought, sold, and treated worse than livestock.
For the exact reason you just stated. You study it. You take the obvious messages and add it to your mantra. You take the more ambiguous messages and you thoroughly examine them and find a modern application for what they intend to say. And that's not just for the Bible. That could be said for the Koran, the Torah, or any other religious book.
So you determine it's not literal by rationalizing that it isn't, or is there some other form of determination? If it's the first, this seems related to a quote from Plato: "Is the pious loved by the gods because it is pious, or is it pious because it is loved by the gods?"
@Gagi420 While I respect Sagan and his contributions, I find Neil deGrasse Tyson a lot more enthusiastic, exciting and intellectually stimulating....plus he just owns the audience...(this is just my opinion though.....don't worry, Carl Sagan has always been a boss in my book).
@melvin292 "Leave the matter of religion to the family altar, the church, and the private schools, supported entirely by private contributions. Keep the church and the state forever separated." - Ulysses S. Grant
the closest star to us is 4.5 light years away however the furthest stars that we can see without light pollution blocking our view are about 13 billion light years away destroying any possibility of
There was only slight breeding between the Neanderthals and Home Sapiens, and Cro Magnon was neither specifically. Cro Magnon is like "Java man" or "Peking man" I know evolution VERY well. I read several of Richard Dawkins books from cover to cover, as well as the commentary book "Richard Dawkins : How a Scientist Changed the Way We Think" and many books on sociobiology and evolutionary psychology, by E.O. Wilson, David Barash, Matt Ridley, Steven Pinker, Robin Baker, etc.
Its always good to see an intelligent, articulate black man with a passion for something other than obsession over his own perceived historical victimization.
"If we raise a generation of students who don't believe in the process of science, who think everything that we've come to know about nature and the universe can be dismissed by a few sentences translated into English from some ancient text, you're not going to continue to innovate, - Bill Nye
That's a good point because even if that teacher would have kept his foolish beliefs to himself, anyone who is foolish enough to believe such things is intellectually unqualified to be teaching.
Although working at McDonalds is 100% worse than being a slave. Slavery: complete care for your life existence for 7 years McDonalds: Hardly enough to pay for your gas for the week
@longfootbuddy Well...not always. My parents had paid alot for me to go to a Baptist high-school and lets say it was largely inadequate and had to spend thousands more relearning the things that were "left out" of my curriculum. Kids are not Born Christian, or Muslim, or democrat or republican. They are clean slate. The objective of a good school is to give the child correct and testable information in order for them to make correct decisions, while utilizing critical thinking skills.
you can also read the : epic of gilgamesh , atra khasis , epic of creation of man ( ADAPA) and how the gods ( aliens if you wish to call them ) took them 14 tries to perfect in creating a productive creature called adapa ( known in the bible as adam ) who also can procreat ( have sex and make babies) , the utu heijal epic ( war of the gods - the fall of the gutiums) , and the sumerian gensis ( anumaellish= when there was nothing) :) you will find it @ piney . com / sumerian records
@ericpao81 Very low is an understatement. The probability of speculation alone (as in: void of evidence) is infinitely small. This can be shown through logic.
Yes and thank you. Many people like Sacredotvs seem to think that just because "that's the way we did things a log time ago" means that we should actually ad hear to their conservative values, Hell, Massachusetts started out as a theocracy, should that sway our opinion on American Democracy? Sue, in early schools the only book there was to read were copies of the new testament, I guess it should have been kept that way...lol
B. Franklin quote: "As to Jesus of Nazareth, my opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the system of morals and his religion, as he left them to us, is the best the world ever saw, or is likely to see"
My mom has this idea that since christians are the majority in the US, then they should be appealed to simply because there's more of them then non-christians. I keep telling her that that was not the reason why this nation was founded. It's not "Freedom for the majority", it's "Freedom for all". The comment that usually stops her in her tracks is: "Would you still support that if you weren't in the majority?"
The BIBLE should be listened to, the correct Bible not the ones that have been changed by people.
Actually nonbeliever outnumber you now collectively. Religion is dying with the boomers.
@@aliciadoyle811 their is no bible. The old and new testament are two completely different religions and their are 32 other books that were cast out by the church. The whole book is basically written by fakes and its worthless.
@@ericpao81 that's because majority of this world is being deceived by Satan and are on their way to hell
@@ericpao81 Christianity is the biggest religion there is right now btw so it's not dying out lol
Science is one of the best PROOFS that I would follow not Christianity
I LOVE this guy, Thug Science !!! "That's when we gonna FIGHT !!!" Fight on Niel , Your ideas bring me hours of reflection and joy !!!!
Thank you for that. I was raised Christian, but have yet to settle on any belief system beyond the cycle of life, as well as natural selection. I have a lot of religious people that I work with ask me if I hate religions because I've turned my back on Christianity, when in fact I agree with you. I respect other religions and why individuals believe in it, but I don't want any part of it and to not have it shoved down my throat. Like Neil deGrasse Tyson said, we need to peacefully coexist.
Been saying this for years, religion and school should not mix. Religion is something you should do in your private life, not on school nor on your work. I am known to hate religion in general, mostly for what it stands for. But that does not mean I attack people for it just because I have a different opinion. Yet those that are religious are very often aggressive towards those that are not, which Neil also makes clear in this video.
I couldn't care less what you are willing to accept as the truth according to your religion, I rather learn the actual truth then fairy tales. Let me put it this way, if a group playing dungeons and dragons (for example) comes to a church and tries to replace your believes with theirs. Wouldn't that offend and put a wrong picture of your world in place? Now that same group goes to a school in your area and tries the same, they teach their BS believes based on that game and not allow the actual truth. Wouldn't that be offensive as well? You go to school to learn the truth so you can benefit from it later in life. Get your papers so you can get a decent job once you leave school. Religion is NOT part of any regular job. Only religious related jobs, nun, pope, or what ever you want to call it, those don't even need it. You can just walk in and say 'hey i want to become a nun/monk' and they will allow you to do so, you will learn the religious part while being there. So religion and schools, no that is definitely not a good thing to have.
Religion and school can mix, if mixed correctly. Here in Finland, we are taught about all the major religions of the world and old mythologies. Religion is it's own class along with mathematics and whatnot. There's no teachers that go around telling kids what they should believe in, we take a look at the history of religion objectively and if someone decides to believe in a certain religion, that's their choice. Of course, it's no surprise that the majority of the students end up being agnostic or atheist, at least back when i was in school.
That's basically what happens in the Netherlands as well, yet if you do not believe in a god, you are often trown out of the classroom during that period of time. Which is basically rascism.
Many evangelical christians would disagree with you.
In history they only teach about certain people and societies..usually the ones who can kill and conquered the most..usually with an agenda to promote there society that’s doing the teachings ways. If they had a religious class they’d just do the same. Talk about the ones that have the most followers. For example a western school would probably just talk about the abrahamic religions Hinduism and bhuddism. That is unfair as each person has a right to make or have there own religion and views of god. None should get priority over another in terms of what’s talked about on tv public holidays or it might persuade people to join that religion as it’s done in countries like the USA. People shouldn’t decide to believe in god because it’s part of a popular religion. It would just promote or make it seem that god is or can be found in a religion.
Do you still feel the same? 6 years later
I'm a Christian, and I completely agree with Mr. Tyson. Religion should be a private matter, staying the church, synagogue, mosque, etc. Science and Faith should not collide, but peacefully coexist. And I'm tired of people who take their faith to extreme levels and twist it to their own desires. Those kind of people are the ones that make the news and put a bad label on religion as a whole.
"And Noah's Ark carried dinosaurs on it!"
*facepalm*
Same here, brother. And I'm especially happy that he states that the two, both science and religion, can coexist when they are in the proper contexts.
Ok please give ONE example of this evidence. I would love to compare it to the thousands of pieces of evidence for Evolution. And please don't say "Hurrr God is our evidence durrrr."
Mr. DeGrasse, you are our hero! Keep teaching 'Reason'!
Neil is the man. What he has to say is soooooooooo true. Most people find comfort in believing in fairytales.
AND by the way, I would like to mention that I spent several years in seminary, so I couldn't know more about the Bible. I take a special interest in researching the areas of the Bible people like to take out of context and/or twist the meaning of. The only reason I left is because I'm the only man left in my family and I want to continue my family name...
This was from the first Amazing Meeting back in like 08 or 09. Type in Amazing Meeting and youll get alot of stuff. ill try to find the story =, its old but someone had asked before so i know its out there.
He's so bang-on with this. I completely agree; let people preach what they believe in, as long as it doesn't have such negative effects on your own life, whether it's knocking on a science class's door with a bible in hand, or being a religious extremist.
that's a HUGE generalization. I happen to be religious and I'm not like that. I want to know everything, but sometimes I do give up in my pursuit, not because I want to feel warm and fuzzy, but let's face it, Science is hard and complex. Everyone should be doing their best to poke their boundaries and expand their knowledge. My point is if religious people don't like science's current hypothesis, then they should try creating one which supports their view or find a place for it in their beliefs.
Totally agreed. Religion is a personal view of a person, and noone can tell anyone what to believe. Especially if we are talking about kids.
I am not joking. Neil deGrasse Tyson 2016. This needs to happen. We'll just vote for him, and see if he will do us the honor of being the most amazing thing to ever happen to America.
If he says no, we'll just remind him of what Plato prescribes to people who are too smart for politics.
refers to both the study of modes of reasoning (which are valid and which are fallacious) and the use of valid reasoning. In the latter sense, logic is used in most intellectual activities, including philosophy and science, but in the first sense is studied primarily in the disciplines of philosophy, mathematics, semantics, and computer science. It examines general forms that arguments may take. In mathematics, it is the study of valid inferences within some formal language. To be clear.
That is part of why I am not affiliated with any political parties. Those in charge of the party or the church use your membership as political capital for what they believe. What you believe is unimportant. While politicians are smart enough to know that a church (like a union) won't swing all its members, there is power in numbers.
You are absolutely correct. Every single debate I have watched of "Dr." Craig goes like this:
"I'm not saying Christianity is correct, I'm saying it's the most plausible. It's not up to me to prove it plausible, it's up to the other side to prove that I'm wrong..." LOL
So, he is right by default, and everybody else needs to prove him wrong. Theism is an arrogant belief to start with, "Dr." Craig just adds the arrogant cherry on top LOL
This man needs his own show. Fucking awesome. So well spoken.
i've never seen Mr. Tyson this hyped up! go him! :D
Nicholas, you just earned my respect!
I fully agree, I'm Muslim myself, and I've always said that people use religion to justify wrongdoing, not as a reason to do wrong.
And as for the implication, honestly, i didn't mean anything by it, I was just reiterating the point that the guy above on this thread made. may have seemed a bit tactless, so i apologize if it seemed that way.
I'm Christian and I completely agree with Dr. Tyson.
Can I find that recording on youtube or anywhere?? About that Matthew kid and the teacher.
The existence of an entire universe when the laws of physics as we understand them make that an impossibility seems a pretty extraordinary bit of evidence.
0:32-0:41 got me pumped, neil is a boss
Today's science & modern religion are wings of one truth. Teaching & discussing the concept of religions is healthy. "O son of being ! Make mention of Me on My earth, that in My heaven I may remember thee, thus shall Mine eyes and thine be solaced." ~ Bahá'u'lláh
This is the best quote ever!
What a great solid and intelligent argument.
Can I have a link to the full video please?
Yes, that was my answer.
And amendments don't necessarily help with clarity of the Constitution; they're just additions to the law. And when was the last time there was one of those? I will admit though, it would be interesting if religious doctrine had judges and lawyers to help set rulings on interpretations and such.
Religion in general(not only christianity)should be taught in schools as information.Not as something that is considered true or false.It should be like "religions claim this and this and we give you basic knowledge about the religions of the world and their history and branches and their possible arguments with modern knowledge".Whoever likes them and finds interesting stuff in them can study them further on his own"That would be a good school.
Oh, sorry, I think I wasn't clear enough. I was referring to this: "how do you know that passage is not literal?"
I was not using this question in an accusatory way, I was simply curious.
"While that small ... stone folks." - Was this your answer to that question? I seem to have lost my place of where responses flow together.
The Constitution, however, is an ongoing process. Through amendments and courts establishing precedents, it is constantly being revised.
I like that... even if they disagree... let them speak.
In addition to my first reply (lack of characters). Short history lesson: it was not unusual for people to become slaves voluntarily. If you have no home, no money, no family, etc, you could become a slave for a period (biblically 6-7 years). In that time you were supposed to be cared for, clothed, fed. There weren't "jobs" so to speak in those days. What Exodus is defining is the way a manager/what-have-you should treat their employees.modern paralell? McDonalds... Some break the rules though..
@melvin292 and if its quotes you want: "Question with boldness even the existence of God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear." - Thomas Jefferson
"Religions are all alike - founded upon fables and mythologies." - Thomas Jefferson
Sure. And I agree; both science and religion have their proper places in the world.
I agree with this and wish my fellow creationist did as well. I homeschool because I dont expect our government to teach my children the additional curriculum required to give my children the opportunity to consider the creationist viewpoint (among other reasons). Since I desire for them to have that viewpoint taught to them, it's my responsibility to take up homeschooling and provide that. I will bring all points of view to my children and they will ultimately decide. Big shout out to Noah...
So natural selection is still working, but the time frame for any measurable difference is MASSIVE.
Humanity is that way because, back when we were developing, empathy was successful. It allowed the bonding of people to advance progression of the species many times over.
It could, in a way, be thought of as a vestigial organ, depending on how you view empathy. It was once useful, and if now one thinks it isn't, we just haven't gotten rid of it yet.
Actually natural selection is very inefficient.
You gotta love Neil Degrasse Tyson.
You asked a question and I gave an answer. And I'm not putting words in your mouth; I can only go off what's typed out on my screen here. At 3:11 am CST.
Time and tiredness aside, my point still stands. One can still follow something that calls for them to seek a better understanding of it. The U.S. Constitution is the same; it's rather old, and we have people in place to help better understand and interpret it as the times roll on.
such a great standup! I never heard of this guy, what dvd is this?
Religion is encroaching in the science classroom Neil, go get them! People have called Richard Dawkins 'Darwin's Rottweiler' I want people to call Neil 'Science's Savior'. North America as a whole, perhaps even the world needs people like Neil deGrasse Tyson, and honesty I think they need him way more agressive, yet just as friendly.
I completely agree with this guy, forcing attendants to follow a religion taught in the school is violating the freedom of belief which is one of the most basic human rights. Children are forced to sing these hymns and follow the religious propaganda even though the religious morals possessed within that religion may not even apply to them, it's completely ignored by law and I have never once heard of a lawsuit that has been filed against this type of behavior.
And his vest is so beautiful!
If we truly had the option of choosing whether or not to sin,
not every human would be guilty of it.
No Christian has the liberty of saying they have never sinned,
because (according to the doctrine) everyone is "born" in sin.
I don't think its impossible that a person(s) exist/s somewhere, who has never "sinned" in their life.
But that person or those people can't say they have never sinned.
It's not about choice.
In a way, you are making my point. You and I have a moral code. You pick the parts of your Bible that fit your code and call them wisdom or holiness or whatever, then look at the parts you don't like and discard them. I have read the whole Bible (except the begats) more than once. I realized that MY morality was (overall) better than that in the Bible. So rather than believe the parts that agreed with me were somehow from god, I came to the realization that I did not need that book.
Eric, I truly hope that is the case. I just really want a world my children can live peacefully in.
I was not meaning to imply that, I was merely using a linguistic shortcut. I'm well aware of Christianity's doctrine as I was thoroughly raised in it.
Either way, it can still easily be extrapolated - reread the comment but insert the corrections you made and change it to something like "in a way that could be lost in translation."
Ah, now you're putting words in my mouth. I assure you, I meant that with the utmost sincerity. I am not being accusatory, I would simply like to know. I'm curious.
My question is: what happened to the pairs of deer and antelope and rats and bunnies when they were allowed off the ark with the last two lions, tigers, bears, wolves, jackals, and hawks, etc.? And after the last predators had eaten most of the last prey animals, how did they survive? I guess rabbits and rats might have bred on the boat, but pigs and antelope and such would have been in short supply.
@mike7743 "Captain obvious."
i didn't refer to mr tyson as black. read the comment properly.
I don't understand why people are so polar on arguments like this. I personally am a Christian, however, I think both sides fail to hear eachothers arguments. Religious people should see how science works with their faith and scientific people should look to see if there is any merit to what the religious people assert. Obviously, some religious arguments can't be proven or tested scientifically, which is where no matter which side you are on, you have to be prepared to take something on faith.
This man speaks the truth
Bable, I agree with you on most of what your saying. But values/morals fall into the realm of psychology, neuroscience and biology. They can be answered through a Scientific method. I would suggest watching a TED talks by Sam Harris on this issue, also , his book. The Moral Landscape.
Does anyone have any links to the case with the student being herassed? What was the name?
Well, I was trying to bridge the gap between the 2 arguments, and I don't need you calling my religion names. I was respectful to both sides, both of which I partially agree. If you don't want to believe there can be a middle-ground that's your prerogative. I just was just trying to let you know that not everyone is like you perceive.
@BigOleTaterTV there is this Christian saying that goes: "hate the sin love the sinner" , I. This forum we atheists turn it around to explain our disdain for organized religion. " hate the religion, love the religious"
If you review the equation for quantum fluctuations you will see that it is dependent on change in time. But if there is no time there is no change. This is exactly my point. All modeling equations stop working at 10E−36 seconds after the Big Bang. The inflationary theory deals with time from this point to 10e−32 seconds it is here fluctuation comes into play.
the amazing part is that even this guy could be saved by the grace of god, no matter how he wants to preach his science ( note that science changes but God doesnt)
deretreivels44 is that's so so does that mean that he will flood the world again because he doesn't change.
I couldn't agree with Tyson more!
That's not a contradiction; that's a matter of the terms used for the times. And as you said, people and their beliefs evolve. How often do you hear about anyone stoning their child for being bad?
@grandtheftauto5588 Here's a bomb shell for you. "Random" doesn't exist. It's just a word we use to label occurrences that have too many variables to calculate the exact workings of the process or cause. Even a rock rolling down a hill doesn't do so randomly, there are physics and laws associated with absolutely everything it does. It's no more random than if I drop a book it falls on the floor. Consciously made actions are something that we understand, so we tend to project that onto existence.
Love to see my comments defending my opinions were flagged as spam, while the ignorant comments I responded and conversed with are still up. Please respect my freedom of speech as it also protects your freedom to practice mythology.
If you're going of the Epic of Gilgamesh, then no, Gilgamesh didn't have a little Noah's Ark type thing. The only connection I can think of between the Sumerian Gilgamesh and a flood story is that Gilgamesh sought out the boatman Utnapishtim in his search for immortality. Utnapishtim would be the equivalent to Noah, not Gilgamesh.
In order for religion to insure it's survival, it must, by nature, be inhospitable to all other religions and people with no religion.
Different races come from different cultures and religions so it should be not surprising that racism is a natural result of religion.
not to defend slavery but I see people pick on things like this all the time. What Exodus is calling "slavery" is more like "indentured servitude." It contains a list of how the master and "slave" should treat each other. The daughter thing is speaking in terms of marriage and how they should respectively treat each other. Hosea is speaking of God lifting his protection on Samaria and what their fate is/will be. These are just a few of the things commonly misinterpreted.
what was the point of that attack at the end of your comment?
We got a ton of those guys, and he is really good at it, no doubt. But amicable, scientific, politically-savvy people are the rarest substance in the universe.
I (heart) Neil Degrasse Tyson.
as a religious person i gotta say thank you for the common sense.
And what time period are you living in?
While many slaves may have worked as household servants, that doesn't mean that they were not slaves who were bought, sold, and treated worse than livestock.
For the exact reason you just stated. You study it. You take the obvious messages and add it to your mantra. You take the more ambiguous messages and you thoroughly examine them and find a modern application for what they intend to say. And that's not just for the Bible. That could be said for the Koran, the Torah, or any other religious book.
Please stop flagging comments as spam. Free speech on this channel please.
Even though I'm a Catholic, I totally agree with him.
So you determine it's not literal by rationalizing that it isn't, or is there some other form of determination? If it's the first, this seems related to a quote from Plato:
"Is the pious loved by the gods because it is pious, or is it pious because it is loved by the gods?"
I really need to go to the Amazing Meeting!
@farmandmao which case?
Can anyone link the video NDT was talking about?
@Gagi420 While I respect Sagan and his contributions, I find Neil deGrasse Tyson a lot more enthusiastic, exciting and intellectually stimulating....plus he just owns the audience...(this is just my opinion though.....don't worry, Carl Sagan has always been a boss in my book).
@melvin292 "Leave the matter of religion to the family altar, the church, and the private schools, supported entirely by private contributions. Keep the church and the state forever separated." - Ulysses S. Grant
the closest star to us is 4.5 light years away however the furthest stars that we can see without light pollution blocking our view are about 13 billion light years away destroying any possibility of
There was only slight breeding between the Neanderthals and Home Sapiens, and Cro Magnon was neither specifically. Cro Magnon is like "Java man" or "Peking man"
I know evolution VERY well. I read several of Richard Dawkins books from cover to cover, as well as the commentary book "Richard Dawkins : How a Scientist Changed the Way We Think" and many books on sociobiology and evolutionary psychology, by E.O. Wilson, David Barash, Matt Ridley, Steven Pinker, Robin Baker, etc.
Its always good to see an intelligent, articulate black man with a passion for something other than obsession over his own perceived historical victimization.
@allrequiredfields Religion is based in faith , Science is based in FACTS.
"If we raise a generation of students who don't believe in the process of science, who think everything that we've come to know about nature and the universe can be dismissed by a few sentences translated into English from some ancient text, you're not going to continue to innovate, - Bill Nye
Sins are a product of conscious creatures with free will. Would you rather have consciousness and freedom to chose, or no sin at all but be a drone?
That's a good point because even if that teacher would have kept his foolish beliefs to himself, anyone who is foolish enough to believe such things is intellectually unqualified to be teaching.
THANK YOU.
Although working at McDonalds is 100% worse than being a slave.
Slavery: complete care for your life existence for 7 years
McDonalds: Hardly enough to pay for your gas for the week
@longfootbuddy Well...not always. My parents had paid alot for me to go to a Baptist high-school and lets say it was largely inadequate and had to spend thousands more relearning the things that were "left out" of my curriculum. Kids are not Born Christian, or Muslim, or democrat or republican. They are clean slate. The objective of a good school is to give the child correct and testable information in order for them to make correct decisions, while utilizing critical thinking skills.
There is no method for proving objects made you, without being directed.
It never happens.
you can also read the : epic of gilgamesh , atra khasis , epic of creation of man ( ADAPA) and how the gods ( aliens if you wish to call them ) took them 14 tries to perfect in creating a productive creature called adapa ( known in the bible as adam ) who also can procreat ( have sex and make babies) , the utu heijal epic ( war of the gods - the fall of the gutiums) , and the sumerian gensis ( anumaellish= when there was nothing) :) you will find it @ piney . com / sumerian records
@ericpao81 Very low is an understatement.
The probability of speculation alone (as in: void of evidence) is infinitely small.
This can be shown through logic.
Right on Neil.
Yes and thank you. Many people like Sacredotvs seem to think that just because "that's the way we did things a log time ago" means that we should actually ad hear to their conservative values, Hell, Massachusetts started out as a theocracy, should that sway our opinion on American Democracy? Sue, in early schools the only book there was to read were copies of the new testament, I guess it should have been kept that way...lol
This is more relevant than ever.
B. Franklin quote: "As to Jesus of Nazareth, my opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the system of morals and his religion, as he left them to us, is the best the world ever saw, or is likely to see"