New firmware update 2.0 ! How the Behringer UB-Xa compares to the Oberheim OB-Xa
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Hi,
I´ve reconstructed a few sounds from my Oberheim OB-Xa on the Behringer UB-Xa. The UB-Xa has been limited to 8 voices in order to match with the OB-Xa. I´ve adapted the pan settings as well.
The UB-Xa uses the new firmware version 2.0. All sounds you hear in this video will be added as bonus files to my „Synth King Producer Pack“.
Enjoy the music!
Bernd
Quite an improvement in how more 'present' and brighter it sounds in top end. Much closer to original. Great job demoing it as always from the King!
Nice sounds / comparisons, Bernd! Happy to hear the thumping/clicking issue is resolved... I'm interested to check out the vintage mode updates as well, and adjustments to the resonance fine tuning.
awesome update! even if there are tiny differences in sound, they are really negligible. along with the bug fixes, great job, @behringer ! 😀
I love this company!! Golden age 2B alive with Behringer. I have full sized UB and now Desktop...love both
The initial videos of the UB-Xa didn't set my heart on fire. Your playing in this does give me some serious GAS.
Exactly the same? Nope. But the difference is so small that it's simply not worth the extra cost to lose the poly AT, smaller enclosure, and the ease of maintenance of something built using modern components. Love my UB-Xa, and I'm looking forward to the next ones!
I noticed some differences in volume between the two synths for each same or "similiar" patch. He needs to normalize them before presenting the comparison. When the timbre is this close between the two, the ear will prefer the sound that is slightly higher in volume.
Brilliant presentation of a wonderful range of sounds! It really is a capable instrument.
I've found playing your clips twice, the first time listening only, then watching and listening the second time to be - for myself - best. And highly enjoyable.
Cheers! Great work.
It's up to the programmer here, the benefit of the UB-Xa is 16 voices and Poly AT, and obviously the $1200 pricetag...
Unbelievable sound, also practically indistinguishable too. Complete winner!
Bin sehr auf die Sounds gespannt. Gibt es die dann zu kaufen oder gratis? Und wenn wo ?
@@acidjack Schau mal bis zu Ende, da sollte das Video mit meinen Sounds verlinkt sein.
@@acidjackhier geht’s lang.
Behringer UB-Xa Synth King Producer Pack Part 1/2
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Oder gleich hier:
www.particular-sound.de/downloads/behringer-ub-xa-producer-pack-presets/
Great job, I wouldn’t be able to spot the original in a blind test. ❤
excellent, just bought your producer pack, best regards from France and thanks for your great work
@@mobius185 merci beaucoup, avec plaisir
Oh no, I hate firmware changes 😂 I’m sure all my sounds won’t be too different 🤞 your playing is wonderful btw❤
Great demo! Sounds amazing! (Both of them)
They are very,very close. I'll install the new firmware right away. Whether the OB is 'warmer' or non isn't of importance for me. The mod matrix and split/double function make it a dream synth for me. And then there is the price!!!.
Ive heard other comparisons in the last several months that I thought were close but nowhere near identical. This is different. These synths sound like the exact same instrument maybe a couple years apart in the production run. Amazing playing.
That sounds incredible
@@manny_f thanks a lot. All presets of this video plus a few more are included as bonus presets (16 in total) in my SK Producer pack (64 presets).
With a blind test i couldn’t say which one is og .
Did they manage to fix the annoying click sound on fast envelope attack settings?
@@petegreenwood2793 yes
@@Bernd_Bruening😮 this iiis exciting
Excellent demonstration. This now has me considering getting a UB-Xa 😬
Very good job! My ears find no differences!!
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Impressive!
I could clearly hear that the OB-Xa still has much more high-end frequency content than the UB-Xa. And that reminded me why I sold mine shortly after getting it and got an OB-X8 instead.
BTW that OB-Xa sounds fabulous. The UB-Xa is close, but not close enough for me.
Weird.....I absolutely prefer the Behringer!!
Excellent comparison and playing!
I prefer the Behringer
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You make them sound great ! Nice patches !
Apply very wide -2dB or -3dB EQ cut, Q 0.707 around 1.3kHz to UBXA and they should sound even more close to each other.
Which exact tool did you use to analyse this? Some sort of spectrum analyzer, I guess?
@@sauermusicDE Good question. No tool - just based on my views of sound. I may be horribly wrong! Many have mentioned that OBXa sounds brighter. I agree. But to me it may also be that UBXa has more content on upper-mid range and top end is masked behind the mids
I want to like the Behringer, but the Oberheim wins for me….And it’s because the excitement of the synth is directly related to its use. So, even being more expensive, the Oberheim calls me. No shade to Behringer, I just suggest you buy whatever synth/gear excites you and whether it sounds like something else. If the behringer excites you, buy it!!
If the Oberheim excites you, buy it. Thanks for the video!!
The UB doesn´t catch me, the Oberheim does. It has such a decent beautiful sound. It has soul...The sound of the UB is a bit crispier and brighter and I can´t descibe it but something is missing that the Oberheim has. Perhaps like the difference between a really good violin and a stradivari.
@@corbusiermuc3426 I think the video speaks for itself.
@@Bernd_Bruening Indeed! Really good vid, thank you much for that!
I can't hear much difference. You can easily account that to variance between the same synth, or slight variations in pot positions between each synth.
If you claim otherwise, then you're deaf. These ears of mine guaranteed will be better than yours by factor of age alone (I'm in my 30s, so can hear higher than 5khz still) ;)
@@AshBashVids :-) I recently made a listening test and the doctor told me that the frequency range I can hear is quite remarkable for my age. However, it’s degrading slowly. Nevertheless, 5 KHz is still mid range for me ;-)
@@Bernd_Bruening I was hyperbolic about the 5khz, but you know what I mean ;)
(congrats on still having good hearing though :) )
In the original, the attack has more punch ( 4:55 )
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As usual, modern clones seem to tweak the eq to a more flat response. Even in this case the Behringer sounds too...flat. The original has a more base-like tone, perhaps harder to mix, but more character nevertheless. Might be simple to mimic but why don't Behringer fulfil their version with this eq themselves? To adapt to a modern sound? Then its a modern interpretation of a classic.
I could agree with your last sentence.
Interesting the obxa definitely has a flatter midrange
The difference is probably the same that two "originals" would have if compared side by side.
That and comparing 40-year-old circuits to brand new ones.
na toll! bin grad in Urlaub gefahren.. und jetzt kann ichs nicht abwarten, wieder nach hause zu kommen, um das Update einzuspielen 😂
I AM SHOCKED. And the actual price is 999€ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just saw it at kytary for 978 EUR (delivery date: 22nd of November 2024). But it might be worth the wait because - at least according to the product pic - it seems to be the version with the new white coloured display! Behringer has not yet officially confirmed from which exact date (or serial number) onwards they will ship the new version. But that COULD be a hint... 🤔
i actually like the sound of the behringer better , which is weird. The ob-xa sounds tired . lol. Its had a long life.
2:57 here I prefer the the OB not the UB-Xa
Why is that? OB seems quieter in this part … Or did you mean the other way around?
@@kierenmoore3236 nein, OB wins, I have it already and is a keeper.
@@fjfrancois You have OBXa or OBX8?
@kierenmoore3236 That is the OB-Xa, the vintage one.
@@Bernd_Bruening Yes, I know. I’m asking fjfrancois which “OB” he has (ie confirming he meant Xa and not X8).
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OB has a bigger low end.
@@BullyMaguire4ever can you be more precisely? Around 63 Hz?
I don't understand why Oberheim copied the Behringer UBXA. You can clearly hear the Behringer sounds much better probably coz the Oberheim uses cheap parts.
lol.
For those wondering about the panning differences, I just got the UB-Xa and did some experimenting with the mod matrix. You can do quite a bit with the panning there ("spiral" setting), and re-attacking the same voicing moves the pan around in a pleasant way if that's your thing. Superb!
The filter resonance sounds a bit more “vowely” on the OB than the UB. But it’s much closer that it used to be. Little differences here and there but certainly not $4k work.
I listened to this for longer than I intended because your playing was so lovely.
Waiting for "the oberheim sounds warmer" , "the oberheim sounds more analog", "...." army 🙂
The real thing sounds warmer, more analog and with more width.
@@SPL-6 I had no doubt even before watching the video ... even before the behringer started designing its model.
Yes, but it’s true.😢
@@SPL-6 Of course there is some difference in how more of an untamed beast the original is, but UB is a modern recreation (not a 1:1 copy) using modern technology and will never sound the same and old as that's the analogue nature. The differences in scope of making music is becoming smaller and smaller.
While listening to a UA-cam video on their phones. 😂
And "It doesn't have that sizzle..."
Good, go spend another eight grand and get yourself that warmth and sizzle nobody's ever going to hear live or on a recording.
Interesting. Some sounds I prefer the Behringer, some I prefer the Oberheim. Both are incredible!
In a mix I would listen to the song, not thinking that if the synth pad sound is coming from a Behringer or a real one, lol....so close it is, I couldn't tell it in a mix. Thanks for the demo!
Is it a 4000$ difference, that's the question you should ask yourself. Great comparisons, got my Ubxa Desktop yesterday!
@@powermix24 Congrats. Incredible bang for the buck. Small tip: by the looks of it, I suppose, it's got the same case as the Deepmind 12 D - and therefore the same cooling fans, which I found annoyingly noisy - even on the lowest possible setting. I swapped them with two "Noctua NF-A4x10 5V" off of Amazon, which are wonderfully quiet and fairly inexpensive.
@@martattacksI’ve had mine for about a month, and the fans haven’t even activated once.
@@SamLibman Well, that's great. Maybe they are temperature controlled on the UB-Xa. On the Deepmind 12 D they run all the time at the set speed. Unless you manually turn them off completely - which I would not recommend. They've certainly not been designed into there to forcefully be turned off for good. That'd be my thoughts, anyway.
@@martattacks Yeah, I agree. I have it set to auto so it should come on if it feels it needs it. But in terms of heat, I feel like it generates less than my Matriarch. I think unless you’re outside in the sun, or in a super hot room, the fan probably won’t need to come on.
@@SamLibmanAh, superb. Unfortunately, the DM 12 D does not have an "auto" setting.
The reality is you would probably hear more significant differences if you comapred 2 original OBXa synths. Kebu tried this with 2 Korg MonoPoly synths and the Behringer clone.
Turns out the Begringer could clone and original MonPoly better than they could clone each other so go figure. Then, factor in the compression and loss when the original recording is converted to a UA-cam video. But somehow people think they can still detect very subtle nuances...
I mainly hear the difference in the low end, the Oberheim has more “oomph” and growl in the lows than the Behringer. The Oberheim is also a bit less pristine in the highs. The Behringer does sound excellent in its own right and may fit better into a mix.
good job,Behringer, now after this update i have to buy one, beautiful sound and thank you Mister King !
Bank C patch "Wonderworld" is the most amazing patch. I use this so much!
In that second example, the pad, the ObXa‘s Oscs are slightly more detuned and it seems a bit louder - other than that one could say indistinguishable.
@@stevemodana_official you've got good ears. I only noticed after I've produced the video that the 2nd oscillator needs to be detuned lower than oscillator 1 instead of higher.
Now we await the Pro16 and the Wave clone. Behringer is absolutely on a roll right now 👍👍👍
As always, blindfolded, 99% of listeners would just be guessing between the two.
Throw any synth in and a few vsts… and they’d still never guess any right. They never do.
Same with the people who can ‘hear’ Roland digital vs OG. Utter crap, but they do.
The patch Detuned Pulse had more punch on the Behringer 7:56
Practically they sound identical to my ears.
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If that's the result of an update and not just clever patch programming, all I can say is: Respect! Of course there still seem some small differences, everyone should decide for themselves whether they play a role or not. (I think it does not).
To me the UB-Xa has the potential to be a star in it's own right because OB8's page2 combined with a full blown mod matrix above all 16 voices for fat layers and/or 4VCO synthesis for many kinds of (even pseudo digital) sounds are certainly not to be underestimated. I think we all should open ourselves up to that potential & visualize all the sonic possibilities.
for the price difference - its really a no-brainer ....but i want a muse ..... !
@@MikkelGrumBovin If you're Danish, you're probably familiar with Ad Visser who played a PDP11 computer, lots of KORG stuff & a pre-DX Yamaha GS2 on his '82 "Sobriëtas" album.
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And it’s a poly after touch. I enjoy using that with some plugins as well.
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Would love to know how you keep your Pan settings to get it closer to the actual OBXA. Great video, sounds so good!
@@TheMachinesWon well, I deactivated voices 9-16 and set the panning for each voice 1-8 exactly like I set the pan pots of the OB-Xa. I used the peak level meter of my broadcast mixer for visual control. With the new firmware the pan settings are saved per patch.
@@Bernd_Bruening gotcha, thanks for the details. Behringer still hasn’t released the firmware yet…hopefully they do soon, I’m excited to get this thing updated!
@@TheMachinesWon they said it will be released on Monday
@@Bernd_Bruening oh gotcha, I thought it said “later today”. Seeing the Monday release note now. Thanks!
Is the update available yet? I seen it say today, then get changed to Monday the 2nd on the Behringer channel.
It will be on monday, according to the latest info
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I can't really describe what I'm missing with the UB-XA. Maybe it's...randomness. Everything is pristine with the UB-XA, while every keystroke on the OB-XA seems to sound a tiny bit different and so more lively.
@@Sycokay my primary goal was to make them sound alike, behaviour is another topic. There are various atrophy settings to achieve the randomness you mentioned in your comment.
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Thanks so much for making these new sounds available for free to those of us who have already purchased the "Synth King Producer Pack v1.1". As always... *superb* support and *phenomenal* sounds!!!
@@llamamusic_____synths-samplers you’re welcome. Be careful with the unison presets. In the video I reduced the UB-Xa maximum voices to 8. With 16 voices it will blow you away.
How are you using a firmware that is not yet released (coming 9/2)?
He's one of Behr's beta testers.
An, excellent comparison !
@@analogsystem8015 thanks a lot.
THEY DIDNT GET THE ENVELOPES RIGHT ITS ALWYS THE ENVELOPES!!!!
@@olsonwaters4116 WHY ARE YOU SHOUTING AT ME ! They got the envelopes right !
There are some negligible differences in the sound of each. But honestly, is it a difference worth 5 grand? They are very minor, based on this video. However, I've played an OB-X8 for real, but not the Behringer. I would have to judge for myself by buying a UB-XA desktop. Once I do that, then I can decide whether it would be worth spending 5 grand on the OB-X8. As good as the Behringer sounds, I have a strong feeling the answer to that question will be a solid "NO!" Oh, this is a comparison to the vintage OB-Xa, not OB-X8. My bad. I misread the title. Either way, both synths sound equally AMAZING!
Superb job, Synth King! Excellent demo!
Sounds nearly identical to the point any differences is just comparing 40-year-old aged electronic components to brand new ones.
Incredible! Now it sounds like the real thing (or almost.. but it's very very close). So i'm looking for the desktop version..
...until you start lugging it around twice a week for your gigs......the shine remains beautiful until you touch it.
Very nice 👍. A pity it didn't release sooner - I gave up waiting early last year and fulfilled my need for a "master keyboard that has great sounds".
The Behringer captures the Oberheim sound very well and has numerous advantages. The OB has that little something about the tone though, a bit more bottom & bite and a little more wildness (also because of 40 year old components probably)
For me the 2 "misses" on the Behringer which cannot be addressed with firmware are that terrible red display (how much really would a decent one with perhaps twice the height have really added to the cost?!?) and failure to have dedicated pairs of outs per layer. I hope they address both on upcoming synths using this 5 octave poly AT platforms, but am not holding my breath. Other than that this is a stunning achievement at the price.
I don't know how far away it was before this update, but it sure feels like Behringer got it amazingly close now, if it wasn't already! They seem to have a knack for putting out product, and then updating the firmware once they get more feedback, or just have more time fine tuning the software that interfaces with the hardware. The Pro 800 was very similar. It sounded good, but there were a lot of people who called out differences between an original Prophet 600 (with and without the Gligli update.) After a few firmware revisions, it is VERY close to the Gligli version that it's hardly noticeable, and live it would be indistinguishable, IMO. Well done Behringer. I'll probably have to get the new UB desktop version one of these days.
When I die and meet the greats Uli Behringer will eventually be there with Moog Oberheim and Dave Smith. Dont care who this upsets its truth. Behringer didnt invent these instrument... He brought them BACK 2 LIFE..
Originally, I wasn’t convinced of the B-sound, but now I am. How is the keyboard of the Behringer compared to other poly AT keyboards like found on AS: Hydrasynth or UDO Gemini?
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Nice! My first impression with os 1 wasn’t great, mostly because of the truncated high frequencies, but it appears that they completely fixed that, and the attack bump issue. Great demo. I still think there’s a little something with how the Oberheim blends notes that sounds a bit richer, but often it’s so close.
I must take my headphones later ,..just without, i like the Behringer 🥰👌
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@@Bernd_Bruening comments like these appear on all kinds of videos for some reason, they are bots and I think they are trying to mess with UA-cam bot detection
Cool, and the intro is much better :)
Excellent!!!! Thanks for the upload!!!
Wow 👍🏻
Wer einen OBX A besitzt, Glückwunsch. Wer keinen besitzt, den Sound und die Bedienung mag, aber nicht bereit ist die Vintage Preise zu bezahlen ist mit dem UBX A bestens bedient. Ist schon fast unheimlich wie Behringer es immer wieder schafft für verhältnismäßig wenig Geld vermeintlich unerreichbare Synthesizer so authentisch nachzubilden.
You should do a video of ONE $3,999 Oberheim OB-Xa, to Five Behringer UB-Xa at $799. Let's see if the little kiddies say the $3,999 Oberheim OB-Xa sounds fatter than the Five Behringer UB-Xa at $799
All it really is is the difference between brand new circuitry and 40-year-old aged circuitry.