I worked behind a model 281 that was 5 years older than I was. A bit of a tune up every spring, and that machine would keep me busy stacking behind it's thrower. When we got a 326, it would bury me! But I made some great bales with both of them. And I was definitely in shape. 6 pack abs, but now they are more like a keg...😮
Sorry Jacob, but the green balers are alot easier to work on, less moving parts and their design is all in the open for easy access.. Great video, we are fans ..
The one thing I've learnt with NH balers over the years is once you get them timed as per the book they don't give much trouble. When they're slightly out they will play up from time to time. I've got two a 275A and a 317A both have different feeder system. Much prefer the 275A even though its a lighter baler.
How do they get out of time?? I changed knotter time by two rollers on the front chain. I never had issues with knits except when charging rolls of twine or the spring for the knot wiper breaking.
@@boehmfarm4276 things wear. Bearings can get a bit of play, chains can get hot and expand. I've had mine jump out of timing going down a rough rutted dirt road.
@@Florida239 mine the knotter stop catch moved, and when it went to tie a knot it wrapped a heap of twine around the bill hook, took me half an hour to work it out.
I think I’ll keep our Massey 124 baler. It might be older but it is built so much better. Just put 1000 bales of 3rd cutting in 2 days. Only missed 3 ties.
Yeah Grandpa and Dad had a Ford 530 (532? can't recall the number exactly it was one or the other) small square baler when I was a kid. That thing ate more needles... it would evidently get out of time and end up with the needles coming in too early and the plunger coming back with a flake of hay and colliding with the needles... and inevitably break one. The plunger has slots to allow the needle to come up INSIDE the plunger when the flake of hay and the bale is fully compressed, the needles SHOULD be fully into the chamber and up through the plunger and the twine being knotted about the time the plunger starts its back stroke so that the twine is tied and released from the billhook about the time that the plunger has moved far enough back to release tension on the bale to the hay dogs at the sides of the chamber... the needles should then be retracting down and out of the plunger as the plunger face passes the retracting needles. If the timing is too early, the needles will pierce up through the flake of hay being compressed by the plunger, when the plunger face arrives at the needles they'll have the trapped wads of hay pressing on the needles as the plunger head tries to move past the needles, and the wads of hay trapped on the needles can't fit into the slots and POW busted needle... why it's IMPERATIVE that the needles are timed to enter the chamber AFTER the plunger face has passed the arc of sweep of the needles... The stuffer is the same way. On the 532 I don't remember exactly how they drove, but they had an arm that came up above the top of the baler through the open slot in the machine above the stuffer arm... the arm folded up some kind of way and there were two HD springs that attached to the tines so if the stuffer fork hit anything it could give. Much better design. I'd have to look at the book to remember exactly how it drove, but it worked and worked well. I never remember them having any problems with the stuffer fork. Not sure why the thing wouldn't keep time-- maybe a chain worn out or something or not tight enough and jumping time... I just know Dad and Grandpa ended up buying a lot of cast iron needles for that thing. Grandpa was glad when he got the round baler and of course it just feeds twine in the front and no knotters... LOL:)
@@brandonhoad9033 nice... Dad said best baling tractor they ever had was a Deere 620... That big 2 cylinder flywheel you didn't even know the baler was back there lol...
We were told at nh service school chain fiddle string tight timing marks are in frame of back of frame on bottom of were back door closes should be two marks
Looks like you have another "one of these days" projects. Bet you'd like to have a hitch extension on the back of your wagons. You know everyone around me hate wagons that have trunnion steering. Yes, they have their problems, but they track down the road better than anything else.
Look for a 575 NH total different feed system that is still used in the BC series and the new series they just came out with. Also look at MotorKote to lube up your chains and add to your gear box. I run their hyper lube in all my equipment and vehicles.
@@boehmfarm4276 FIAT-- Fix It Again Tomorrow! Yeah that's a big negatory ghost rider! Not interested in pasta rocket machinery LOL:) Boehm Tractor Sales in Shiner started selling Mahindra not too long after the NH buyout of Ford Tractor Division, since Fiat entered the picture he sells WAY more Mahindra than NH anymore...
You should have bought the Ford 530 off of Bandit Farmer. I owned one and it just kept on running. Kept it cleaned and lubricated, checked adjustments before season started. 👍🙏🏽🇺🇸✌🏻😎
Dad had a ferd 530 when I was a kid. I remember bales 1 1/2 ft long and others length of the wagon. Thought it real cool when we pulled it w our case 530 instead of the 400
@@brandonhoad9033 Sounds like it had a worn needle trip arm or something... shouldn't do that. Or a tension issue... those were manual crank on the bale tension...
My guess is the dealer has a bunch of the fangs cuz they're in multiple models. Looks just like what's in my 316. Broke one bout 5 yrs ago and took it to a buddy that can weld anything, except underwater. So far so good. Did replace one of the round ones. Did you have a miserable summer for baling? Rained about every 3rd day here in WNY. 1st isn't done yet and now corn's near ready for silo
July was the wettest with 6 inches, but it's been ok dry besides that. Only issue was with the weather man that a needed rain came a day earlier than expected.
@@boehmfarm4276 ever wonder why you didn't get into weather? I sure do. Ya get to be wrong at least 50% and still make 100k. Way better than milking 🐄🐄🐄🐄🐄 that's for sure
@@brandonhoad9033 Gotta be an ace at higher mathematics... my sister's husband wanted to be a meteorologist when he was in college but couldn't handle the math classes... ended up being a school teacher instead. My daughter is in college changed her major from engineering to biomathematics... whatever that is... LOL:) (statistical analysis of medical stuff from what I gather, related to genetics and simulations and testing and such...)
@@brandonhoad9033 Yep all that math and they still can't predict the weather... LOL:) Oh well, its complicated and esentially a a chaos theory system...
Jacob you said the haybine turns in a circle so it's always cutting. When you rake, do you straighten out the rows and do headlands? So the baler doesn't have to spiral?
It's still growing. Some thin spots because of squirrels or seedling death. See, at least the tillage corn was too dry to germinate; I think the no till had just enough to sprout still, but then ran out before we got back to typical Ohio rain.
The 100 is different from what you saw me bale in this video. Unfortunately, I didn't video the wet 100. I tried to bto it and just send it no matter the weather. That experiment didn't work. Not enough sun and too frequent of rain. About half those bales molded even after salting and laying out in a single layer on wagons.
I worked behind a model 281 that was 5 years older than I was. A bit of a tune up every spring, and that machine would keep me busy stacking behind it's thrower. When we got a 326, it would bury me! But I made some great bales with both of them. And I was definitely in shape. 6 pack abs, but now they are more like a keg...😮
Sorry Jacob, but the green balers are alot easier to work on, less moving parts and their design is all in the open for easy access..
Great video, we are fans ..
The old phrase "timing is everything" comes to mind.
Glad you yu won the stuffer contest.
The one thing I've learnt with NH balers over the years is once you get them timed as per the book they don't give much trouble. When they're slightly out they will play up from time to time. I've got two a 275A and a 317A both have different feeder system. Much prefer the 275A even though its a lighter baler.
As you say, timing chain and markers have to be correct.
How do they get out of time?? I changed knotter time by two rollers on the front chain. I never had issues with knits except when charging rolls of twine or the spring for the knot wiper breaking.
@@boehmfarm4276 things wear. Bearings can get a bit of play, chains can get hot and expand. I've had mine jump out of timing going down a rough rutted dirt road.
@@mtozzy11me too same thing dang potholes took me about an hour to figure it out it jumped time
@@Florida239 mine the knotter stop catch moved, and when it went to tie a knot it wrapped a heap of twine around the bill hook, took me half an hour to work it out.
Miss hearing from you, thanks for the video
My 570 has the Ford emblem on it, so it's old but been a darn good baler!
I think I’ll keep our Massey 124 baler. It might be older but it is built so much better. Just put 1000 bales of 3rd cutting in 2 days. Only missed 3 ties.
Hay in WV was thin to. I first thought it was just my field but everybody I talked to had the same results. Second cutting seems to be alittle better.
Jacob the big wagons are the way to go. I love my 4 24 foot wagons that i hand stack that are 8 foot wide
Yeah Grandpa and Dad had a Ford 530 (532? can't recall the number exactly it was one or the other) small square baler when I was a kid. That thing ate more needles... it would evidently get out of time and end up with the needles coming in too early and the plunger coming back with a flake of hay and colliding with the needles... and inevitably break one. The plunger has slots to allow the needle to come up INSIDE the plunger when the flake of hay and the bale is fully compressed, the needles SHOULD be fully into the chamber and up through the plunger and the twine being knotted about the time the plunger starts its back stroke so that the twine is tied and released from the billhook about the time that the plunger has moved far enough back to release tension on the bale to the hay dogs at the sides of the chamber... the needles should then be retracting down and out of the plunger as the plunger face passes the retracting needles. If the timing is too early, the needles will pierce up through the flake of hay being compressed by the plunger, when the plunger face arrives at the needles they'll have the trapped wads of hay pressing on the needles as the plunger head tries to move past the needles, and the wads of hay trapped on the needles can't fit into the slots and POW busted needle... why it's IMPERATIVE that the needles are timed to enter the chamber AFTER the plunger face has passed the arc of sweep of the needles...
The stuffer is the same way. On the 532 I don't remember exactly how they drove, but they had an arm that came up above the top of the baler through the open slot in the machine above the stuffer arm... the arm folded up some kind of way and there were two HD springs that attached to the tines so if the stuffer fork hit anything it could give. Much better design. I'd have to look at the book to remember exactly how it drove, but it worked and worked well. I never remember them having any problems with the stuffer fork.
Not sure why the thing wouldn't keep time-- maybe a chain worn out or something or not tight enough and jumping time... I just know Dad and Grandpa ended up buying a lot of cast iron needles for that thing. Grandpa was glad when he got the round baler and of course it just feeds twine in the front and no knotters... LOL:)
yeah I remember now it had chain drives but they turned a crankshaft throw that operated the stuffer... so it didn't get that kind of play in it...
@@lukestrawwalker 530. Dad had one when I was little. Pulled behind case 530 once in awhile, usually behind the 400. That was Grandpa's tractor
@@brandonhoad9033 nice... Dad said best baling tractor they ever had was a Deere 620... That big 2 cylinder flywheel you didn't even know the baler was back there lol...
Howdy,
June 16th ?? Just a weee bit behind at August 21st 🤣
Stay safe, God Bless and Farm on my Friends, Peace
Nice Jacob, you are on top of that baler
We were told at nh service school chain fiddle string tight timing marks are in frame of back of frame on bottom of were back door closes should be two marks
I have a 2011 BC 5060 and it’s wonderful now that we have replaced all critical components. It hasn’t missed a knot in 3 yrs. Knock on wood.😂
With all this timing off it’s a wonder it baled so well
They actually used that feeder design right up into the BC series of balers until 2019 in the BC5050
Oh, wow
Looks like you have another "one of these days" projects. Bet you'd like to have a hitch extension on the back of your wagons. You know everyone around me hate wagons that have trunnion steering. Yes, they have their problems, but they track down the road better than anything else.
👍👌❤️🇨🇦, racking up the hay
Look for a 575 NH total different feed system that is still used in the BC series and the new series they just came out with. Also look at MotorKote to lube up your chains and add to your gear box. I run their hyper lube in all my equipment and vehicles.
Sure am glad mine is green and has an auger! 😉
One of the things about new holland square balers is the parts fit a whole whack of balers.
The engineers were smart before fiat got ahold of them.
John Deere has used basically the same design since the 14t and 24t as well.
@@boehmfarm4276 FIAT-- Fix It Again Tomorrow! Yeah that's a big negatory ghost rider! Not interested in pasta rocket machinery LOL:) Boehm Tractor Sales in Shiner started selling Mahindra not too long after the NH buyout of Ford Tractor Division, since Fiat entered the picture he sells WAY more Mahindra than NH anymore...
You should have bought the Ford 530 off of Bandit Farmer. I owned one and it just kept on running. Kept it cleaned and lubricated, checked adjustments before season started. 👍🙏🏽🇺🇸✌🏻😎
Dad had a ferd 530 when I was a kid. I remember bales 1 1/2 ft long and others length of the wagon. Thought it real cool when we pulled it w our case 530 instead of the 400
@@brandonhoad9033 Sounds like it had a worn needle trip arm or something... shouldn't do that. Or a tension issue... those were manual crank on the bale tension...
@@lukestrawwalker now I'll have to rewatch the vid. Can't remember last week and this says it was last August
Here in Texas we had clover up until the end of June. Now we don’t have any grass. 😶
At least from the road, looks like much of my second cutting will be clover filled.
382 bales is a fair bit more than 100 you said that you thought was on the ground 😮 😊
My guess is the dealer has a bunch of the fangs cuz they're in multiple models. Looks just like what's in my 316. Broke one bout 5 yrs ago and took it to a buddy that can weld anything, except underwater. So far so good. Did replace one of the round ones. Did you have a miserable summer for baling? Rained about every 3rd day here in WNY. 1st isn't done yet and now corn's near ready for silo
July was the wettest with 6 inches, but it's been ok dry besides that. Only issue was with the weather man that a needed rain came a day earlier than expected.
@@boehmfarm4276 ever wonder why you didn't get into weather? I sure do. Ya get to be wrong at least 50% and still make 100k. Way better than milking 🐄🐄🐄🐄🐄 that's for sure
@@brandonhoad9033 Gotta be an ace at higher mathematics... my sister's husband wanted to be a meteorologist when he was in college but couldn't handle the math classes... ended up being a school teacher instead. My daughter is in college changed her major from engineering to biomathematics... whatever that is... LOL:) (statistical analysis of medical stuff from what I gather, related to genetics and simulations and testing and such...)
@@lukestrawwalker May the force be w you.😅😅.
Yup, I'll stick to milking cows
@@brandonhoad9033 Yep all that math and they still can't predict the weather... LOL:) Oh well, its complicated and esentially a a chaos theory system...
I have found that if it's going to break down it doesn't matter the day of the week just less parts available on the weekends
Well, it sure doesn't seem to break on a Monday before regular business hours end.
@@boehmfarm4276 correction-- it'll break at 4:30 when you're 30 minutes away from the dealership...
Ah yes, the buick before I hit a deer with it 🤦🏻♀️
I caught the month of June 😂😂😂😂😂 NICE
Good video.
Just take that bar out. The last New Holland I had had that bar and it baled just fine after I took the bar out. That might save you some headaches.
I thought about it. Just worried if hay would stick to the claw when it came up.
@boehmfarm4276 it didn't seem to on mine. I had a 311 which has the same feeder system.
Fun! Fun! FUN!
😁
315 new holland is the same set up also
Looks like you leave a lot of space between bales when stacking, doesn't that make a loose stack?
Nope. A stable stack has straight sides or slightly tapers up.
Jacob you said the haybine turns in a circle so it's always cutting. When you rake, do you straighten out the rows and do headlands? So the baler doesn't have to spiral?
Yes, I do one loop around the outside then make straight rows.
I do the same except I like to do two doubles around the outside to give my driver more room to turn at the ends of the straight rows.
Cantankerous, now that’s a word ya don’t hear to often lol 😆. Btw are you going to the half century of progress this week?
I want to, but not sure I'll make it between hay and sweet corn.
@@boehmfarm4276 oh ok, my dad and I are hoping to go over Friday if it works out.
True
What happened to your 2+2 international?
So when is a thrower going to put on the baler so you don’t need people staking ?
Then you need dump wagons... so probably never.
Interesting
How did the field you did no till corn into turn out?
It's still growing. Some thin spots because of squirrels or seedling death. See, at least the tillage corn was too dry to germinate; I think the no till had just enough to sprout still, but then ran out before we got back to typical Ohio rain.
Did you ever had banana bals ?
Very rarely, only happens at the end of a field when I'm cleaning up the missed spots.
how's the 2+2 going?
Well, it's mechanically together, but not cosmetically.
Never can have to many hay rack. Just saying.
stupid question probably, but you have a round baler, why not just round bale your hay?
$, most of the squares have a home waiting before I ever make them.
382 bales is a fair bit more than 100 you said that you thought was on the ground 😮 😊
The 100 is different from what you saw me bale in this video. Unfortunately, I didn't video the wet 100. I tried to bto it and just send it no matter the weather. That experiment didn't work. Not enough sun and too frequent of rain. About half those bales molded even after salting and laying out in a single layer on wagons.