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I remember seeing this episode while living in Canada and loved the fact that Tony Robinson referred to himself as an ‘Amateur archaeologist’ and requested this dig.
i discovered this series about a week ago (i am from germany).. and i really really love it. i have been binge watching the episodes because they are just awesome. not only the archaeology but the people too. i would have loved to have something similar in german while growing up.
Regarding Jersey civilians sharing food with German soldiers: Some of it may have been generosity. But there was also a pragmatism to it as well. The civilians had the food. The Germans had the guns. When things get to the point of starvation, one group having food and the other having guns is not a good mix. So what was needed was to have a German protector/advocate, who would tell his buddies "leave this family alone, they're decent." A cup of tea and a couple bites of chocolate is a small price to pay for that sort of protection. And by the time the aide packages started arriving, Jersey civilians had spent years negotiating their way around Germans with guns, playing a delicate balance between laying low, what resistance they might manage, and flattery/bribery/manipulation, in order to survive. This was one more step in that dance.
In Guernsey the few Jews who didn't flee were handed over to the Germans by the local civil authority. You could argue that that, too, was pragmatic, but it certainly wasn't moral. Compare with the mayor and bishop of Zakynthos, Greece, who defied the Nazis, and saved the Jewish community there.
The Occuppying troops were forbidden to take any food of civillians. Both would have been punished. Though german troops were not above thiving, normally blaming it on slave workers.
@@chanaheszter168 I would argue that there is quite a bit of difference between handing over some food, and handing over your neighbours, in both a moral and practical sense.
@@patrikhjorth3291 Would you sacrifice your family for a stranger? And that wasn't a retorical question at the time. Look at Louisa Gould and her Brother.
My late father ww11 military police. His real name is Daniel Hercules dreaden.his nick name was /is red.my wifes initials are...red so great comment red😊
Wow, this is one I’ve never seen before! I’ve been searching them out online, so this is first new one of these reissued ones on UA-cam. It’s amazing and terrifying. Thank you for all the work to make these viewable again, Time Team!
I would totally support you if Tony comes back....yes, this is a Bribe :))) He is animated, has a great sense of humor, super likable, makes the 'dig' incredibly fun & doesn't 'whisper' or talk quietly like the new announcer (sorry, but I like what I like). I realize that this is Tony's decision not to return to Time Team, but he has earned his place there & we love him to bits xx
I wonder if the new main presenter and the other presenter who does smaller sections are just new to it and will find their feet with time. I didn't always like Tony. I feel like he was annoying some of the time but he did bring something to it that was unique to him. The new presenters are missing energy and the ability to be that connection between the audience and the professionals.
As a child in Jersey, I explored all of these old bunkers. It was a great time to be young. I found a few interesting relics in these bunkers too, some I still have.
@@billynomates6231 German helmets, a pair of reading glasses in a case that belonged to a German soldier, a scalpel from a med kit, several MG42 machine gun belts, part of a communications array from a Panzer tank, a whole crapload of spent shell casings, a flare that said "not to be used after 1945, German coins dated war and prewar, a brass SS 'death's head' cap badge, various live rounds, a lamp shade covered in tattoos made of human skin from a Russian POW, an active sea mine, several skeletons in a void in part of the concrete sea wall at St. Ouen's Bay, Several 'potato masher' grenades and lots more.
Same here. I had a nice German helmet with insignia, a gerrycan with some liquid remaining, a machine gun drum, many spent casings that we'd trade at school. I used to shoot air rifles in one of the wards at the Underground Hospital. Two of my school mates gassed themselves by lighting a fire in one of the tunnels on what we called the old German road off St. Peter's valley.
@@charlo90952 Ah Hell! I remember that! The States got Blashford Snell into clear the rest out and seal the tunnels off L' Aleval. He was at Victoria College at one time. There's a story in one of his books about clearing the tunnels, and an encounter with a ghost. Can't remember which book though
There's a famous poem about the anti-aircraft defences. It's called The German Guns. "Boom, boom, boom, boom, Boom, boom, boom" and I can't remember the rest.
My family comes from Guernsey and to hear tell of it, my great grandfather, a then boy at the time, was so traumatised by the occupation that he could never bring himself to trust a German again, regardless of whether they were even born at the time.
I’ve read a few things, and watched a few videos about the Occupation of the island by the Nazis. An it seems that on a whole is the Nazis didn’t really Nazi like they did everywhere else. That the Nazis didn’t pillage the island, and even towards the end of the war when Churchill wouldn’t send food to the island because he didn’t want the Germans to get it. So everyone on the island had to do Beau Coup farming, and even though the Nazis was running out of food too they never once stole food, and made sure the island population was the first to eat. The Germans were happy to be on the island instead of on the frontlines fighting. That’s for the British people on the island and not so much for the slave labor forces that was treated as if they’re just subhuman
The Germans did at times steal food or commandeer crops and livestock but a good few of the islanders did share what very little they had with some of the soldiers. Agreed, in most parts the ordinary soldiers were very much against the Nazi way - especially as the war in Europe swung in the allied favour - and they were happy to not be involved. However some officers and soldiers garrisoned across the islands were pure Nazis through and through.
Late to the party, (as usual). Sorry. But I am pretty certain that I know wot that un-identified "funnel" is: I strongly suggest that "funnel" is actually a collar for a canvas tent/enclosure where a stove pipe/chimney would have exited. These collars are still in use today, and they are regluated/manditory. They allow a screaming hot stove pipe to pass through fabric without setting that fabric alight. It's an insulator in fact. So, the "funnel" would be sewn and riveted into the side or roof of the enclosure with the thin tapered bit pointing up and out. The stove pipe would then be fed up through the taper and would teminate outside of the taper, thus preventing a fire catastrophy.
@@paulharris5541 It's full of history, and there for all to see, I was told that some of the larger batteries were open for viewing on Sundays, but they were not the week I went
I am only 5 minutes in, and this is my favorite episode, ever. They are carefully instructed about being atop a heavily mined landscape. Folks seem reluctant to plunge into the soil!
You should have done a little bit of history on the 88. Like you do on Roman weapons or Saxon weapons. Thing was a beast of a weapon and probably the most important artillery of ww2.
I think that cone looking thing was connected to something that was for funneling a liquid like gas or petrol. Maybe even fuel for the aircrafts. I say that because I have seen devices like this here in Texas on land used by the US Air Force. You have to remember that many Texans are desendants of Germans who came to Texas in the 1800s due to famine. We have a LOT of concrete installations built very much so how Hitlers people did during ww2. It is a true testament to German engineering, I must say.
I think that mystery bit of metal might be a marking cone. I’ve seen them on small airfields in Alberta. Usually they are painted orange and can be pinned down into the ground. I could be wrong, but it has the right size and shape.
Don't know if the Jersey artillery gun dumping area was as widely known back then, but it would have made for an interesting shot as they they talked about the guns not being in place any more.
16:30 the German 88mm FlaK stood on a cruciform, not a "tripod". 2 sides could fold up and the ends could be attached to wheels for transport. There was also the 105mm version as well. The design was actually by Bofors of Sweden, who let Germany build them under licence. The British had a similar deal, but instead made the 40mm 2 Pounder Bofors, which was semi automatic. It was the Germans that scaled them up to make the fearsome 88mm, but more so because of when Rommel in France had to use them on a flat trajectory against British Matilda Tanks out of desperation, because Matilda tanks had very thick cast armour that the German AT guns at the time, the 37mm had no answer to, the same for the 50mm PaK 38. It turned out to be an extremely efficient tank killer when used "wrong" like that on a flat trajectory against Tanks, especially with dedicated AP shot. Pretty soon the 88 was being mounted in tanks. 31:24 I don't really know what kind of terrible pop history this is, but I'm only an undergraduate and know that the Organisation Todt used a lot of slave French workers and that the French were not untermenschen. Turns out that in the Channel Islands a bunch of Spanish Republican slave labourers were used, handed over by Vichy as a "present" to Todt's Labour Corps, as well as Dutch Dissidents, apart from the Ukrainians and Russians, who were the only ones classed as untermenschen, that was just a terrible conflation on her part. Some of them stayed until 1945 and afterwards some of the Dutch and Spanish slave labourers were allowed to remain and marry girls there. In Nordhausen, average lifespan of slave labourers from all nations was 3 months. With Todt really it had nothing to do with untermenschen, even though that was the reason given to treat prisoners of the Soviet Union even worse, but really Todt didn't care, it was just very cynical, and not just ideology. I don't think you'd have to editorially go that much out of your way to explain Todt how it actually was. The way the ideology worked was anywhere they occupied, if you were a member of the equivalent of the Labour Party, in a Union, communist, you were going to Organisation Todt, on a good day. On a bad day it might be a punishment battalion or just death. Most people take being a member of the Labour Party for granted in this country. So did they. Thanks for reminding me why I used to avoid these, as much as I love TR. www.theislandwiki.org/index.php/Forced_workers
My grandfather (Dutch) was a forced laborer in Germany and ended up in a hospital, even though he was tanned and had black curly hair, big nose, etc. he wasn't put in a ward with untermenshen (in this case Russians or Polish) simply because he was Dutch.
Some may believe they're exaggerating the danger such old shells pose. A good example of seriousness is 1930's Tennessee, U.S.A. when a forest fire began detonating artillery shells laying dormant since the American Civil War of 1860's, that's 70 years! If only they'd build everything else to last as long as our weapons.
Regarding Jersey for un-exploded bombs, 88mm flax, live grenades and worst dangers friend & foe and it seems to me my dad was a Royal Marine Commando fighting in New Borneo. Figure that myself folks & dames with Americans & Brits 😊 👍.
Obviously the occupation of the Channel Islands was a horrendous ordeal for the residents, and unlike Malta their story didn’t and does not get enough recognition, without knowing it the islander’s helped keep Hitler from the door of mainland Great Britain. Hitler, in his madness, fortified the islands to make them impregnable (where have we heard that before) from invasion, the islands were more fortified than any other Nazi held territory, including the infamous Atlantic Wall including Normandy, the amount of materials, labourers and troops sent there to build the defences, man them and be ready to repel and invasion force was so great that it diverted crucial amounts of men and materials from the areas that needed them most, and thank goodness that Hitler did that, otherwise the defences around the Normandy invasion beaches could have been far stronger and numerous, and that could have spelled disaster for the allied forces and maybe even effected the outcome of WWII.
As someone who was in the military, I find their approach to the UXOs a bit mystifying. The round they thought might be live, there were people standing less than *ten feet away* from a potential hazard, yet the old guy was more worried about an empty, flattened case with no propellant or projectile, because the primer *might* still be live. Very backwards thinking, IMHO. I don't think they should have been handling any UXOs unless it was done by a professional. If that dude was supposed to be the professional, I'm truly relieved that nobody was injured.
They had bomb disposal on call in case they found any UXO. None were found and an explosion on the beach would make good viewing, so they made an excuse to have an explosion on the beach ;)
I don't have military experience, but what little I've picked up about battlefield archaeology suggests that there is a big difference between "fresh" UXO and some that has been buried in mud for many decades. I can imagine that the primer might be more likely to be a risk in some of these cases than some partially decomposed propellant.
@@Cactus305 Complete garbage! There is now also The Gurnersey Liteary & Potato Pie Society, wrong as Islander's were forbidden to peel potatoes , and make potato flour, as this was wasteful and lost nutrional value. Another Mother's Son- Based on the story of Louisa Gould, though not filmed in the Island. The war film Force 10 from Navarone had some second ubnit filming done in Jersey.
@@grahamthomson4747 Canadian Australian and New Zealand POW parcels, also supplementerty packages from Scotland. The were dliverd by an International Red Cross ship SS Vega. Not sure if the packaged contained butter, don't think so. Besides the Anchor Tins were common enough post war on the Island. During the Occupation, no one would thow away a very useful tin dish.
German troops in isolated locations like this along the Atlantic Wall had a reason to protect their gun emplacements with infantry defense. They were by mid war justifiably worried about Commando raids.
I have a question world war I gas attacks were very high frequent how was the gas attacks in world war II and did you guys ever find gas shows at the site or any other site that you've ever did for world war II?
My dad lived in Saint Helier, and managed to find a farming job in the north of the island andmy dad was able to stay on Jersey during the whole wr, to support his family mum dad and younger siblings The farm horse and othether were taken by the Germans.
Phil is right, "thank god all guns tooked away"; but I have to admit the occupier which were my ancestors had the opportunity to give up without killing someone or being killed. I love the humanity of the Jersey People! I am sure the german troops had clearly in mind how extremly the occupied suffered, many of the german soldiers knew excactly what they had done and they where fearful about how the allied will tread them after all the war crimes... Thanks to all the men and women who fought the nazis back and free europe including germany.
It has been said in the past that a lot of the small arms found on the island was just thrown over the cliffs into the sea. some of the weapons was trapped in the cliffs.
Not too different than digging any major habitation spot in SE England. They dug up the carpark at the Westgate of Canterbury (legally have to have ar haeologist present) and found a big unexploded bomb. The east side of the city was blown away, but now we know why the west remained in tact.
An FYI: At about the 24:15 mark, one of the archeologists finds an 88mm round and radios for help. Never, EVER, use an RF transmitter around munitions. There is sufficient energy transmitted to set off the primer. Always send a runner. EOD-101.
The exact moment when we start putting the law in effect when it comes to politicians and absurdly rich people. Look at any war, and you'll find the roots in either or both.
i wonder .. at the time that episode was filmed they still yould have asked around germany for any surviving german soldiers and invite them so they could have told them what and where stuff was
I never knew about this. Being American we were never taught that Germany was that close to Britain. Like us not knowing about German submarines being a long the coast of New Jersey here in the States until one was found. My dad always said that he thought his ship got one but no debris came up so it couldn't be confirmed. Another ship also had drops along that section of coast as well.
@otroflores91 same here. My World History teachers (9th - 12th grade) went so far as even teaching us about the raw, un-sugared, version of the dark parts of not only WWI but the darkness of WWII. Our books sugar coated the parts of our take on what they thought we should know instead of the truth of how bad things were for every country involved. Both my dad's father and my mom's father were privates in the United States Army during WWII and all I could get out of them about their experiences was this "I can't put into words what atrocities I saw with my own eyes. I will say thus, I pray that my grandchildren and my great-grandchildren never see the atrocities I've seen in all their lifetime. " They both suffered from PTSD and died with PTSD in 2002 and 2017. They never talked about what they went through with anyone. It was way to painful for the both of them.
Surely these gun emplacements would have been obliterated by a naval bombardment, which would have preceded any invasion, I feel they probably only held off to spare the local populace.
Correct. Though given how the guns were sited you'd have a job hitting them. The re caputring plans were given the code name Ramikin. Alderney, the northern most Island was shelled post D-Day by HMS Rodney though. The only time a Royal Navy ship has shelled UK soil.
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I remember seeing this episode while living in Canada and loved the fact that Tony Robinson referred to himself as an ‘Amateur archaeologist’ and requested this dig.
i discovered this series about a week ago (i am from germany).. and i really really love it. i have been binge watching the episodes because they are just awesome. not only the archaeology but the people too. i would have loved to have something similar in german while growing up.
scotland history tours is a great channel BLACK WATCH.
I just found it also. I’m loving watching it. So soothing and relaxing. Calm rational scientists doing their thing.
@@wullieg7269 I looked it up and put it in my list! Thanks!
Regarding Jersey civilians sharing food with German soldiers:
Some of it may have been generosity. But there was also a pragmatism to it as well.
The civilians had the food. The Germans had the guns. When things get to the point of starvation, one group having food and the other having guns is not a good mix.
So what was needed was to have a German protector/advocate, who would tell his buddies "leave this family alone, they're decent." A cup of tea and a couple bites of chocolate is a small price to pay for that sort of protection.
And by the time the aide packages started arriving, Jersey civilians had spent years negotiating their way around Germans with guns, playing a delicate balance between laying low, what resistance they might manage, and flattery/bribery/manipulation, in order to survive. This was one more step in that dance.
In Guernsey the few Jews who didn't flee were handed over to the Germans by the local civil authority. You could argue that that, too, was pragmatic, but it certainly wasn't moral. Compare with the mayor and bishop of Zakynthos, Greece, who defied the Nazis, and saved the Jewish community there.
That’s how you justify being a traitor 🤔
The Occuppying troops were forbidden to take any food of civillians. Both would have been punished. Though german troops were not above thiving, normally blaming it on slave workers.
@@chanaheszter168 I would argue that there is quite a bit of difference between handing over some food, and handing over your neighbours, in both a moral and practical sense.
@@patrikhjorth3291 Would you sacrifice your family for a stranger? And that wasn't a retorical question at the time. Look at Louisa Gould and her Brother.
I love the WWI/II centered digs that Time Team do, just as fascinating as the episodes centered on ancient times.
My late father ww11 military police. His real name is Daniel Hercules dreaden.his nick name was /is red.my wifes initials are...red so great comment red😊
Wow, this is one I’ve never seen before! I’ve been searching them out online, so this is first new one of these reissued ones on UA-cam. It’s amazing and terrifying. Thank you for all the work to make these viewable again, Time Team!
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A lot of lumps and bombs 😀 . I love Time Team. Still need to watch some Episodes. R.I.P Mick
I would totally support you if Tony comes back....yes, this is a Bribe :))) He is animated, has a great sense of humor, super likable, makes the 'dig' incredibly fun & doesn't 'whisper' or talk quietly like the new announcer (sorry, but I like what I like). I realize that this is Tony's decision not to return to Time Team, but he has earned his place there & we love him to bits xx
Yeah, not a fan of the new guy, if Tony won't come back then maybe find someone else?
Does anyone know why Tony declined?
I get a real fake voice vibe from the new guy. Just talk normally with a bit of enthusiasm, you're not doing the voiceover for Masterchef!
@@krumplethemal8831 cost i would have thought
I wonder if the new main presenter and the other presenter who does smaller sections are just new to it and will find their feet with time. I didn't always like Tony. I feel like he was annoying some of the time but he did bring something to it that was unique to him. The new presenters are missing energy and the ability to be that connection between the audience and the professionals.
As a child in Jersey, I explored all of these old bunkers. It was a great time to be young. I found a few interesting relics in these bunkers too, some I still have.
@@billynomates6231 German helmets, a pair of reading glasses in a case that belonged to a German soldier, a scalpel from a med kit, several MG42 machine gun belts, part of a communications array from a Panzer tank, a whole crapload of spent shell casings, a flare that said "not to be used after 1945, German coins dated war and prewar, a brass SS 'death's head' cap badge, various live rounds, a lamp shade covered in tattoos made of human skin from a Russian POW, an active sea mine, several skeletons in a void in part of the concrete sea wall at St. Ouen's Bay, Several 'potato masher' grenades and lots more.
@@tobygathergood4990 If we knew now what the stuff we palyed with would be worth.
@@51WCDodge You said it! If only...
Same here. I had a nice German helmet with insignia, a gerrycan with some liquid remaining, a machine gun drum, many spent casings that we'd trade at school. I used to shoot air rifles in one of the wards at the Underground Hospital. Two of my school mates gassed themselves by lighting a fire in one of the tunnels on what we called the old German road off St. Peter's valley.
@@charlo90952 Ah Hell! I remember that! The States got Blashford Snell into clear the rest out and seal the tunnels off L' Aleval. He was at Victoria College at one time. There's a story in one of his books about clearing the tunnels, and an encounter with a ghost. Can't remember which book though
There's a famous poem about the anti-aircraft defences. It's called The German Guns.
"Boom, boom, boom, boom,
Boom, boom, boom"
and I can't remember the rest.
That's the important bit ... 😂
Good old Baldrick!
@Sniper247 REALLY?!? God, I never knew that! How does the bit I couldn't remember go?
"If this was Roman we'd probably say it was part of a ritual" - LOL
“Of course we would lmao!”
Especially if Francis was on the dig 🤣
I reckon it could be part of a crapper or a pissaphone which is cone like metal embedded into the ground for liquid relief
With nazi-Germany it could be ritual as well.
The shooting at the sky ritual.
I'm so glad the team took the dive ... the amount of history is amazing
Yes appox 4.5 billion years worth
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I would love to see Tony back with the rest of the original crew. They were fantastic!!
And Phil.. 😂
We all feel the same way!! If only it were possible...But , Tony...!?
I would love not reading any more comments like yours.
@@louiseclark7967 Tony says it's the time of younger people to takeover.
I love prehistory, and really didn't think I'd enjoy this episode, but it was cracking! I'm so grateful for these uploads
My family comes from Guernsey and to hear tell of it, my great grandfather, a then boy at the time, was so traumatised by the occupation that he could never bring himself to trust a German again, regardless of whether they were even born at the time.
I’ve read a few things, and watched a few videos about the Occupation of the island by the Nazis. An it seems that on a whole is the Nazis didn’t really Nazi like they did everywhere else. That the Nazis didn’t pillage the island, and even towards the end of the war when Churchill wouldn’t send food to the island because he didn’t want the Germans to get it. So everyone on the island had to do Beau Coup farming, and even though the Nazis was running out of food too they never once stole food, and made sure the island population was the first to eat. The Germans were happy to be on the island instead of on the frontlines fighting. That’s for the British people on the island and not so much for the slave labor forces that was treated as if they’re just subhuman
The Germans did at times steal food or commandeer crops and livestock but a good few of the islanders did share what very little they had with some of the soldiers.
Agreed, in most parts the ordinary soldiers were very much against the Nazi way - especially as the war in Europe swung in the allied favour - and they were happy to not be involved. However some officers and soldiers garrisoned across the islands were pure Nazis through and through.
They still rounded up any Jewish people on the island and deported them to concentration camps.
I'm a big fan of time team regardless of the time period they're investigating. BRING BACK TONY AND PHIL
Phil for sure!
@@chloeuntrau4588 Tony for sure
@@larryzigler6812 nooooo...lol too "frustrated"...he said it on every episode!
Bring back Walter Cronkite
Late to the party, (as usual). Sorry. But I am pretty certain that I know wot that un-identified "funnel" is:
I strongly suggest that "funnel" is actually a collar for a canvas tent/enclosure where a stove pipe/chimney would have exited. These collars are still in use today, and they are regluated/manditory. They allow a screaming hot stove pipe to pass through fabric without setting that fabric alight. It's an insulator in fact. So, the "funnel" would be sewn and riveted into the side or roof of the enclosure with the thin tapered bit pointing up and out. The stove pipe would then be fed up through the taper and would teminate outside of the taper, thus preventing a fire catastrophy.
Andrew Robertshaw is exceptional to watch in regards to recovery of WWI & WWII retrievals and relocations of personnel.
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@17:30 it's not a case from a razor, it contained decontamination tablets. Just the top lid is missing.
I'm off to Jersey for a holiday in August, I wonder if I can go and see where these digs took place
No thye are on private land.
Did you find anything on your holiday bud?
@@paulharris5541 It's full of history, and there for all to see, I was told that some of the larger batteries were open for viewing on Sundays, but they were not the week I went
I am only 5 minutes in, and this is my favorite episode, ever. They are carefully instructed about being atop a heavily mined landscape. Folks seem reluctant to plunge into the soil!
Thanks
This is one of my favourite episodes. 👍👍👍
The most fascinating Time Team to date . . .
Brilliant episode.
Glad they finally managed to upload the right episode! :D
You should have done a little bit of history on the 88. Like you do on Roman weapons or Saxon weapons.
Thing was a beast of a weapon and probably the most important artillery of ww2.
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I think that cone looking thing was connected to something that was for funneling a liquid like gas or petrol. Maybe even fuel for the aircrafts. I say that because I have seen devices like this here in Texas on land used by the US Air Force. You have to remember that many Texans are desendants of Germans who came to Texas in the 1800s due to famine. We have a LOT of concrete installations built very much so how Hitlers people did during ww2. It is a true testament to German engineering, I must say.
My man Tony is really a great storyteller.
Thanks so much for this episode. Jersey is an island I know well and love.
Hello Jo how are you doing today
So good to see Phil!
I was trying to figure out when this episode was shot and if my guess is right its sometime around 2010 or 2011 the quality is so much batter.
I think that mystery bit of metal might be a marking cone. I’ve seen them on small airfields in Alberta. Usually they are painted orange and can be pinned down into the ground. I could be wrong, but it has the right size and shape.
highly doubtful as the hole they found it in is quite far from the airport - which is at the bottom of the hill
@@thesteelrodent1796 they are light and could have been stored elsewhere or blown by the wind. I wouldn’t jump to highly doubtful.
The cone shaped object you found is the base mount for the 20mm anti aircraft gun.
Thank you.
Somehow I missed seeing this one. I followed the link from your recent post on the possible UXB.
I like the personal touch from tony ( baldrick)
Don't know if the Jersey artillery gun dumping area was as widely known back then, but it would have made for an interesting shot as they they talked about the guns not being in place any more.
16:30 the German 88mm FlaK stood on a cruciform, not a "tripod". 2 sides could fold up and the ends could be attached to wheels for transport. There was also the 105mm version as well. The design was actually by Bofors of Sweden, who let Germany build them under licence.
The British had a similar deal, but instead made the 40mm 2 Pounder Bofors, which was semi automatic. It was the Germans that scaled them up to make the fearsome 88mm, but more so because of when Rommel in France had to use them on a flat trajectory against British Matilda Tanks out of desperation, because Matilda tanks had very thick cast armour that the German AT guns at the time, the 37mm had no answer to, the same for the 50mm PaK 38.
It turned out to be an extremely efficient tank killer when used "wrong" like that on a flat trajectory against Tanks, especially with dedicated AP shot. Pretty soon the 88 was being mounted in tanks.
31:24 I don't really know what kind of terrible pop history this is, but I'm only an undergraduate and know that the Organisation Todt used a lot of slave French workers and that the French were not untermenschen. Turns out that in the Channel Islands a bunch of Spanish Republican slave labourers were used, handed over by Vichy as a "present" to Todt's Labour Corps, as well as Dutch Dissidents, apart from the Ukrainians and Russians, who were the only ones classed as untermenschen, that was just a terrible conflation on her part. Some of them stayed until 1945 and afterwards some of the Dutch and Spanish slave labourers were allowed to remain and marry girls there.
In Nordhausen, average lifespan of slave labourers from all nations was 3 months. With Todt really it had nothing to do with untermenschen, even though that was the reason given to treat prisoners of the Soviet Union even worse, but really Todt didn't care, it was just very cynical, and not just ideology. I don't think you'd have to editorially go that much out of your way to explain Todt how it actually was.
The way the ideology worked was anywhere they occupied, if you were a member of the equivalent of the Labour Party, in a Union, communist, you were going to Organisation Todt, on a good day. On a bad day it might be a punishment battalion or just death. Most people take being a member of the Labour Party for granted in this country. So did they.
Thanks for reminding me why I used to avoid these, as much as I love TR.
www.theislandwiki.org/index.php/Forced_workers
"pop history"
Well, history is written by the victors....
My grandfather (Dutch) was a forced laborer in Germany and ended up in a hospital, even though he was tanned and had black curly hair, big nose, etc. he wasn't put in a ward with untermenshen (in this case Russians or Polish) simply because he was Dutch.
“If this was roman, we'd probably say it's ritual” is great 😂😂😂😂 big up tony the man himself
First aired 27th February 2011 - UK
So the testimonials by the people that spoke in this episode can't be accurate or even valid. Because they don't look 90/100+yrs old 🤔
@@coodaytah6312 They could easily have been in their mid-teens in 1944 which would have made them 80/81 at the time of filming.
@@coodaytah6312 They'd only have to be eighty-odd. And they certainly look that.
Fascinating.
Some may believe they're exaggerating the danger such old shells pose. A good example of seriousness is 1930's Tennessee, U.S.A. when a forest fire began detonating artillery shells laying dormant since the American Civil War of 1860's, that's 70 years!
If only they'd build everything else to last as long as our weapons.
There was a case where some campers inadvertently built a camp fire over an old buried grenade.
Very interesting, thank you.
Fascinating
Holy cow !!! I found it a gold video here thanks I'm gonna susbcribe thanks a lot very interesting
Regarding Jersey for un-exploded bombs, 88mm flax, live grenades and worst dangers friend & foe and it seems to me
my dad was a Royal Marine Commando fighting in New Borneo. Figure that myself folks & dames with Americans & Brits 😊 👍.
This was so interesting. My dad would have loved it.
7:15 classic tony... the guy just says it wont explode and then tony rocks up and says it could blow up in their faces!
Odd there wouldn’t be archive records of where the guns were taken when salvaged from their emplacements???
Obviously the occupation of the Channel Islands was a horrendous ordeal for the residents, and unlike Malta their story didn’t and does not get enough recognition, without knowing it the islander’s helped keep Hitler from the door of mainland Great Britain. Hitler, in his madness, fortified the islands to make them impregnable (where have we heard that before) from invasion, the islands were more fortified than any other Nazi held territory, including the infamous Atlantic Wall including Normandy, the amount of materials, labourers and troops sent there to build the defences, man them and be ready to repel and invasion force was so great that it diverted crucial amounts of men and materials from the areas that needed them most, and thank goodness that Hitler did that, otherwise the defences around the Normandy invasion beaches could have been far stronger and numerous, and that could have spelled disaster for the allied forces and maybe even effected the outcome of WWII.
That mystery cone reminds me of a still.
"These enclosures with 88 mm guns were the cannons!"
...Yes. Yes, they were.
As someone who was in the military, I find their approach to the UXOs a bit mystifying. The round they thought might be live, there were people standing less than *ten feet away* from a potential hazard, yet the old guy was more worried about an empty, flattened case with no propellant or projectile, because the primer *might* still be live. Very backwards thinking, IMHO. I don't think they should have been handling any UXOs unless it was done by a professional. If that dude was supposed to be the professional, I'm truly relieved that nobody was injured.
They had bomb disposal on call in case they found any UXO. None were found and an explosion on the beach would make good viewing, so they made an excuse to have an explosion on the beach ;)
I don't have military experience, but what little I've picked up about battlefield archaeology suggests that there is a big difference between "fresh" UXO and some that has been buried in mud for many decades.
I can imagine that the primer might be more likely to be a risk in some of these cases than some partially decomposed propellant.
Of course they had professionals on hand, but it makes better tv the way they did it!
I had never heard about these island occupations. Sounds like a movie or TV series waiting to happen.
I think it is called "Island at War".
@@Cactus305 Complete garbage! There is now also The Gurnersey Liteary & Potato Pie Society, wrong as Islander's were forbidden to peel potatoes , and make potato flour, as this was wasteful and lost nutrional value. Another Mother's Son- Based on the story of Louisa Gould, though not filmed in the Island. The war film Force 10 from Navarone had some second ubnit filming done in Jersey.
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Interesting to see the old rusted tin of New Zealand Anchor butter on an English Channel Island.
Thank god for the Red Cross parcels !!
@@grahamthomson4747 Canadian Australian and New Zealand POW parcels, also supplementerty packages from Scotland. The were dliverd by an International Red Cross ship SS Vega. Not sure if the packaged contained butter, don't think so. Besides the Anchor Tins were common enough post war on the Island. During the Occupation, no one would thow away a very useful tin dish.
German troops in isolated locations like this along the Atlantic Wall had a reason to protect their gun emplacements with infantry defense. They were by mid war justifiably worried about Commando raids.
wow, a video that we haven't already seen 3 times on this channel... oh, wait,never mind.
I have a question world war I gas attacks were very high frequent how was the gas attacks in world war II and did you guys ever find gas shows at the site or any other site that you've ever did for world war II?
My dad lived in Saint Helier, and managed to find a farming job in the north of the island andmy dad was able to stay on Jersey during the whole wr, to support his family mum dad and younger siblings The farm horse and othether were taken by the Germans.
at 03.45 into this, it mentions the last succesful invasion before th eGermans as that of 1066. the Dutch in 1688 ? the Glorious Revolution.
'here is a potentially live round' all still stood around filming it while hes digging git out.....very safe.
Phil is right, "thank god all guns tooked away"; but I have to admit the occupier which were my ancestors had the opportunity to give up without killing someone or being killed. I love the humanity of the Jersey People! I am sure the german troops had clearly in mind how extremly the occupied suffered, many of the german soldiers knew excactly what they had done and they where fearful about how the allied will tread them after all the war crimes... Thanks to all the men and women who fought the nazis back and free europe including germany.
Great show wish you guys would do more to understand ww2 in Europe.
Well these uploads certainly slowed to a screeching halt.
It would be interesting to see if there are any of the German soldiers who were based there still alive
The round large tubes thing. Could it have been a type of siren or warning part of a siren
It has been said in the past that a lot of the small arms found on the island was just thrown over the cliffs into the sea. some of the weapons was trapped in the cliffs.
WHAT’S ALL THIS THEN?!
Potential live ammunition kind of ratchets up the suspense of the episode, doesn't it?
Not too different than digging any major habitation spot in SE England. They dug up the carpark at the Westgate of Canterbury (legally have to have ar haeologist present) and found a big unexploded bomb. The east side of the city was blown away, but now we know why the west remained in tact.
Hi Tony, ask Ben about the time the bomb squad came to our school. If he doesn't play ball hit me back for more details. 😄🇬🇧
at 42:24 is my mate Graham Delano who owns the Gun Store in Colomberie.
used enjoy this show when I was a kid.
I learned something new
Intresting title.
Wondered whether those supposed 'fox-holes' were really just latrines, so the soldiers didn't have to leave the vicinity of the flak-gun!?!
I bet the squashed cone was for making liquor .
Anyone know the episode where I believe geophys says “you won’t find stone there” and Phil has a good time making fun of them when he does find stone?
An FYI: At about the 24:15 mark, one of the archeologists finds an 88mm round and radios for help. Never, EVER, use an RF transmitter around munitions. There is sufficient energy transmitted to set off the primer. Always send a runner.
EOD-101.
Thanks.
Hate to say it, but could the metal funnel object be a urinal? 😬
This episode has a heavy tone in these days. "One megalomaniac individual" in particular...
Who might that be?
Trump
Especially the 'iron harvest' of munitions littering the ground from occupying soldiers. Warfare leaves its mark in the earth.
How come at 8:30 - 9:56 the propaganda footage that was originally shown when the episode aired has been edited out?
When will we learn from history😏
"The only thing we learn from history; is that we do not learn from history."
- Pat Buchanan
The exact moment when we start putting the law in effect when it comes to politicians and absurdly rich people. Look at any war, and you'll find the roots in either or both.
@@bosse641 Pat Buchanan was a great man.
@@aserta all the big wars are Bankers wars.
@@evolassunglasses4673 Yeah i loved Art Attack
The gun barrels were dumped over the cliffs at Grosnez. They're still there.
i wonder .. at the time that episode was filmed they still yould have asked around germany for any surviving german soldiers and invite them so they could have told them what and where stuff was
I never knew about this. Being American we were never taught that Germany was that close to Britain. Like us not knowing about German submarines being a long the coast of New Jersey here in the States until one was found. My dad always said that he thought his ship got one but no debris came up so it couldn't be confirmed. Another ship also had drops along that section of coast as well.
As a fellow American, you speak for yourself. I definitely learned how close European countries are. We covered WWII pretty well at my high school.
@otroflores91 same here. My World History teachers (9th - 12th grade) went so far as even teaching us about the raw, un-sugared, version of the dark parts of not only WWI but the darkness of WWII. Our books sugar coated the parts of our take on what they thought we should know instead of the truth of how bad things were for every country involved. Both my dad's father and my mom's father were privates in the United States Army during WWII and all I could get out of them about their experiences was this "I can't put into words what atrocities I saw with my own eyes. I will say thus, I pray that my grandchildren and my great-grandchildren never see the atrocities I've seen in all their lifetime. " They both suffered from PTSD and died with PTSD in 2002 and 2017. They never talked about what they went through with anyone. It was way to painful for the both of them.
German U boats went as far afield as New Zealand.
Perhaps the dude left school at an earlier age?
Someone still needs to contact UA-cam if you now own the rights again to stop Channel 4 constantly blocking episodes from being shown in the UK.
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The 20mm you found looked like just the cartridge case - I.e. it had been fired and was therefore EMPTY, and not dangerous.
except the detonator was still in the shell, and that is dangerous
@@thesteelrodent1796makes me wonder about the ww2 tank shell I've got standing on top of my cupboard. It still has the firing mechanism inside
"Only successful invasion since 1066" - what, the Glorious Revolution didn't happen?
Wait, he counted up instead of down with the explosion. ?????
love it ty
"Nicht werfen" LOL. Was that really on the box?
Don't think I've ever seen this episode.
Surely these gun emplacements would have been obliterated by a naval bombardment, which would have preceded any invasion, I feel they probably only held off to spare the local populace.
Correct. Though given how the guns were sited you'd have a job hitting them. The re caputring plans were given the code name Ramikin. Alderney, the northern most Island was shelled post D-Day by HMS Rodney though. The only time a Royal Navy ship has shelled UK soil.