Why is Marie Antoinette so controversial? - Carolyn Harris

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  • @kirstenpaff8946
    @kirstenpaff8946 Рік тому +12559

    I feel like Marie Antoinette is a great example of impossible double standards. She was blamed for being extravagant and wasteful, but any time she tried to present herself in a more casual light she was scorned for not showing her office proper respect, or for undercutting local luxury industries. Historians blame her for the failings of the French monarchy, but ignore the fact that she had little actual political power and was never taught to be a leader.

    • @KL-ki8db
      @KL-ki8db Рік тому +661

      It is also unfortunate that France was mostly male dominated and had little room for women in power. Her sisters, Amalia and Carolina, were queens within modern day Italy and they were the actual rulers as their husbands weren’t really that talented nor interested when it came to ruling while Antonia could only watch from the sidelines.

    • @alyssaagnew4147
      @alyssaagnew4147 Рік тому +467

      France's problems were there long before she married into the royal family and she had absolutely no control over its governing. Heck that quote about cake was coined when she was nine and hadn't been to France!
      The unfortunate truth is that rather than discussing a variety of factors and groups involved in an event, people would prefer to focus on single person they can blame for the problem.

    • @NIGHTGUYRYAN
      @NIGHTGUYRYAN Рік тому +153

      ​@@alyssaagnew4147not only that! they focus on the one person who can actually garner sympathy from the public. she is the most important person who had the least to do with what happened. i cant help but feel like this narrative is done on purpose to garner sympathy for the monarchy while avoiding discussing the failures of the monarchy and also the suffering of the french people. it just seems like they put her in front and say "you guys overreacted! she did nothing wrong! she was a victim!" the french people were also victims and yet louisxvi is completely missing from the discussion

    • @Duck-wc9de
      @Duck-wc9de Рік тому +104

      the nobility would often criticize Marie for not dressing apropriatly for a queen, mostly in her first years since she wasnt used to the standards that were expected from her
      She even invented the Chemise-a-la-reine.

    • @Nomenooooo
      @Nomenooooo Рік тому +5

      Her hair was a boat, literally.

  • @joewilenzik9119
    @joewilenzik9119 Рік тому +9974

    I love how they both agreed Louie was a terrible king

    • @loki2240
      @loki2240 Рік тому +112

      All dictators are terrible, despite some having been romanticized.

    • @joewilenzik9119
      @joewilenzik9119 Рік тому +133

      @@loki2240 but Louie didn’t even have that privilege.

    • @The40Oliver
      @The40Oliver Рік тому +296

      @@loki2240 Being a dictator isn't the problem, being an incompetent dictator is

    • @nileshkumaraswamy2711
      @nileshkumaraswamy2711 Рік тому +50

      But their point about the veto was weird. The National assembly gave Louis the right to veto legislation. He was just exercising his powers.

    • @loki2240
      @loki2240 Рік тому +44

      @@The40Oliver - Having a dictator is always a problem. Please do a lot more research and critical thought.

  • @amateraceon5202
    @amateraceon5202 Рік тому +8494

    There’s a lot of people you could list when it comes to controversial historical figures, but Marie Antoinette really takes the cake

  • @thespiceman9367
    @thespiceman9367 Рік тому +6360

    Marie Antoinette is one of the biggest "wrong place, wrong time" people in history.

    • @NOOBCRASTINATOR69
      @NOOBCRASTINATOR69 Рік тому +54

      Seriously!!

    • @NOOBCRASTINATOR69
      @NOOBCRASTINATOR69 Рік тому +23

      @vujoleenanh wtf?

    • @littlenice-ve5pb
      @littlenice-ve5pb Рік тому +11

      Fr

    • @RicePho
      @RicePho Рік тому +11

      @vujoleenanh LOl, the dude saying getting a head chopped off was going out better than most.

    • @deborahminter6231
      @deborahminter6231 Рік тому +27

      She dug her grave with the "rotten bread" remark. She said it right before the revolution began...in my opinion they should have simply dethroned her instead of executing her. Her husband was to blame for the conditions of France.

  • @ChristianSirianni
    @ChristianSirianni Рік тому +2716

    Fun Fact. Marie Antoinette met Mozart when they were both 7. He was playing for her family when he tripped. She caught him. Mozart tried to propose to her.

    • @NIGHTGUYRYAN
      @NIGHTGUYRYAN Рік тому +157

      ...and everyone clapped

    • @2506stardust
      @2506stardust Рік тому +254

      @@NIGHTGUYRYAN
      You have google and other resources, you can easily verify this. It indeed happened.

    • @mthercrow3818
      @mthercrow3818 Рік тому +451

      Hold on boys imma write a quick fanfic for this new ship

    • @paintingdreams290
      @paintingdreams290 Рік тому +65

      @@mthercrow3818 ngl i'd probably do that

    • @neon-leon-
      @neon-leon- Рік тому +230

      There's probably a time-line out there where Marie Antoinette was Mozart's wife.. I wanna be in that time-line :( she deserved better and so did Mozart

  • @jugel4533
    @jugel4533 Рік тому +4052

    Just to remember : Marie-Antoinette was 14 when she was married, but Louis was 15.
    They were both kids, married to solidify alliances

    • @NIGHTGUYRYAN
      @NIGHTGUYRYAN Рік тому +213

      yeah, really seems like the monarchy was a bad idea and needed to be abolished. glad you recognized that.

    • @Doublemonk0506
      @Doublemonk0506 Рік тому +265

      Which made them easy puppets and scapegoats for the true rulers: the rich and the Church

    • @knightshade2654
      @knightshade2654 Рік тому +50

      @@NIGHTGUYRYAN The aristocracy and clergy should have been put into their place, which could have happened if Louis XVI was more confident.

    • @hasturthekinginyellow5003
      @hasturthekinginyellow5003 Рік тому +21

      They were leeches, who were taught nothing (who for some reason people use as some sort of excuse?) And whose only redeeming qualities were that they were born lucky.
      Born as leeches, live as leeches, died as leeches

    • @jugel4533
      @jugel4533 Рік тому +4

      @@hasturthekinginyellow5003 Amen to that

  • @Thommy2n
    @Thommy2n Рік тому +2474

    I'm honestly surprised you didn't bring up the truth about "Let them eat cake".
    It was an anecdote from Jean-Jacques Rousseau autobiographies in the 1760's, where he talked about an encounter with a young Austrian princess.
    "At length I remembered the last resort of a great princess who, when told that the peasants had no bread, replied: "Then let them eat brioches."" (a rich cake-like bread)
    He never named the princess (and he could have just made the encounter), but from that it turned into a game of telephone.
    From,
    "I bet Queen Marie was who Rousseau was talking about"
    to
    "Did you hear how Madame Deficit just said 'Let them eat cake' about the starving French people?!"

    • @Vijay_16
      @Vijay_16 Рік тому +49

      Underrated comment

    • @NIGHTGUYRYAN
      @NIGHTGUYRYAN Рік тому +130

      yeah and it had been used in various other forms for centuries - what it really meant was that she and the rest of the royals were completely out of touch with the harsh realities of the common people - a fact that was very much true.
      so no, she didnt say it - but it was attributed to her because thats what the actions of the monarchy were saying. essentially the 18th century version of "the people losing their jobs should just get a new job!" - it means that the people in power have no clue whats actually going on with the reality of the situation, or that they just dont care.

    • @DragonGoddess18
      @DragonGoddess18 Рік тому +32

      I knew it
      I remember reading somewhere that Marie Antoinette never said "Let them eat cake",that it was someone else

    • @Newdivide
      @Newdivide Рік тому +8

      He did dude

    • @anira9245
      @anira9245 Рік тому +18

      Also I read that the phrase already existed long before Marie became queen.

  • @nemumami
    @nemumami Рік тому +2791

    Reminds me of that one portrait scandal she had. She dressed in a chemise a la reine for a portrait and the people got mad for her “simple” appearance, and when they revised said photo to be more glamorous the people got mad at her “luxurious” appearance in said portrait.
    Literally the scapegoat for elites and lower class alike.

    • @glasscardproductions4736
      @glasscardproductions4736 Рік тому +145

      Double Standards for women are madness...

    • @bmona7550
      @bmona7550 Рік тому +130

      They literally only hated her because she's not French. That's wack

    • @helhana
      @helhana Рік тому +85

      If I recall correctly the real problem with the chemise à la reine was that it was quite an "intimate" piece of clothing that should be worn around family or close friends and absolutely not be exposed to the view of all.
      That being said, she was definitely a victim of double standards and used as a scapegoat

    • @aspireistoinspirebeforewee3519
      @aspireistoinspirebeforewee3519 Рік тому +5

      @@bmona7550no they hated her because she was a part of an oppressive regime

    • @piliixie
      @piliixie Рік тому +13

      @@helhana it wasnt exactly intimate clothing, it was just very similar in design to a popular type of nightgown which was why it was deemed "informal"

  • @sp8897
    @sp8897 Рік тому +3582

    It’s always a good day when Ted-Ed posts a new History on Trial video

  • @TheRevanchrist
    @TheRevanchrist Рік тому +3249

    In my opinion, her actions of high spending were no worse than the rest of the French nobility. Unlike other cases in this series where most were remembered more positively than they should, Marie seems to be one the uncommon cases where history gave her more hate than she deserved.

    • @theotherohlourdespadua1131
      @theotherohlourdespadua1131 Рік тому

      Did you forget she isn't French? One of the slanders against her when she was alive was she is a foreigner, worse an AUSTRIAN. No Frenchmen, be it the poor, the middle, even the aristocratic, like her simply because she an Austrian. Even upon her trial leading to her death sentence the reason for imposing the death penalty on her is because she's a foreigner, and a foreigner whose country of origin is at war with France which follows that she's a foreign spy...

    • @andres_realxoxo
      @andres_realxoxo Рік тому +145

      @@iridium8341personally i think Robespierre doesn’t get the hate he actually deserves, it’s always easy to blame the French royal family for everything but the revolution was messier than that, Robespierre when he became consul of the republic sent 40,000 under false pretenses, he was also installed his own cult but no one mentions this because king Loui was dead meanwhile the reign of terror was barely beginning

    • @forgottenprose
      @forgottenprose Рік тому +40

      She was a symbol of past rule during a time of revolution, of course her reputation had to be slandered for the regime change to maintain support. Often with history, just like in our own times, there are no sides without some blood on their hands.

    • @TheRevanchrist
      @TheRevanchrist Рік тому +93

      @@forgottenprose I think the judge said it best, that her only real crime was being queen. By being both foreigner and aristocratic, she was an easy target for the radicals to point a finger for all the nations problems. For what seemed like the entirety of the trial, the defense never seemed to falter by the prosecutor's point and provided strong rebuttals

    • @antmagor
      @antmagor Рік тому +39

      I saw a documentary on the dining habits of the monarchy during the revolution (The super tasters go). Maria actually had a very frugal diet. It seems she mostly preferred broth with noodles and peas for her evening meals. The majority of the food extravagance was spent on the communal meals at court. Anyway she was the queen consort and as far as I understand was not well liked at court. The likelihood of her having say over state affairs is not great from where I sit. The revolutionaries shouldn’t have killed her, and what they did to her children was unacceptable.

  • @rahileshanbi5551
    @rahileshanbi5551 Рік тому +4859

    I can’t believe after so much time, I started hearing a lot about how Marie was much more simpler and “nicer” than people portrayed her.
    It really does showcase how we can all follow a fabricated narrative when enough people tell it.

    • @toto123456ish
      @toto123456ish Рік тому

      She was instrumental in preventing Louis the XVI to let go part of his power. She communicated battle plan to the enemy of France. This video is a fabricated narrative.

    • @ecurewitz
      @ecurewitz Рік тому +83

      She was still corrupt and out of touch

    • @marcus3445
      @marcus3445 Рік тому

      @@ecurewitzProbably, but just like the revolutionaries. Most of them, which do not survive their own revolution, executed by treason and power struggles, by their own members. Napolean's path to power and despotism was only possible because he promise to solve the chaos, the barbarity and the hypocrisy of the Revolution. And the people bite the speech.

    • @maboroshi2550
      @maboroshi2550 Рік тому

      Still deserved the guillotine

    • @hyejusleftlung
      @hyejusleftlung Рік тому +346

      @@ecurewitzshe had basically no education on how to be in power though, and was already in a state of turmoil. a collapsing country, the fear of her own life getting destroyed, fear of dying- what would anyone do?

  • @markangelobravo8949
    @markangelobravo8949 Рік тому +1154

    Marie Antoinette’s extravagance stemmed on the fact that France is the fashion capital of the world. She was encouraged to get the fanciest dresses, extravagant jewelry, etc. When she tried to dress in simpler clothes, she was mocked. Yes, she was a victim of circumstances beyond her control, the French politics during that time, and years and years of outdated tradition…

    • @arethas1387
      @arethas1387 Рік тому +11

      Was she also encouraged to leak military secrets and align herself with reactionary noblemen? 🤡

    • @ivymora2370
      @ivymora2370 Рік тому +50

      @@arethas1387 she and her family were threatened to killed, so of course she would give the secrets of the French especially when the revolutionary's had the power.

    • @zerishkamal9170
      @zerishkamal9170 Рік тому +55

      @@ivymora2370 on top of that she wasnt even french why wouldn't she want to take her children to austria where they might have safety and security for food and privacy

    • @arethas1387
      @arethas1387 Рік тому +7

      @@ivymora2370
      they weren't tho, even after the flight to varennes and up to the August Insurrection most of the national assembly were on the royal family's side, the only thing she and her husband did was make it harder for people to defend them

    • @arethas1387
      @arethas1387 Рік тому +3

      @@zerishkamal9170
      She only lived in Austria for 14 years and lived in France for the rest of her life, she was also the Queen and that's the whole point, when Robespierre was arguing for the execution of Louis XVI he said that if average everyday people could be executed for treason then the king who was the number one citizen should too, you can apply the same logic to Marie Antoinette

  • @In_Our_Timeline
    @In_Our_Timeline Рік тому +655

    “Marie Antoinette. Her last words were,"Pardon me sir. I did not mean to do it,"to a man whose foot she stepped on before she was executed by the guillotine”

    • @NIGHTGUYRYAN
      @NIGHTGUYRYAN Рік тому +45

      how sweet. too bad the monarchy couldnt apply such empathy to the french people when things were going good for them. its comments like this that really are missing the forest for the trees. literally people starving to death because of their inability to produce empathy when it counts. but she said sorry for stepping on her executioners foot so actually she was really polite. IM SORRY WHAT??

    • @CanadianMonarchist
      @CanadianMonarchist Рік тому +97

      @@NIGHTGUYRYANThere is a record that the peasants near Versailles loved Marie Antoinette because when she went riding she always avoided trampling on their crops.

    • @ivymora2370
      @ivymora2370 Рік тому +86

      @@NIGHTGUYRYAN what part of she barely had any political power nor the circumstances to do anything did you not understand?

    • @MegaMagicdog
      @MegaMagicdog Рік тому +3

      @@user-AAAA978 They may have but some did have their husband's ear. It's possible they could have had some bedroom influence periodically.

    • @deborahminter6231
      @deborahminter6231 Рік тому +1

      @@NIGHTGUYRYAN she was probably traumatized, by what was about to happen to her. She may have become kinder in the last moments of her life.

  • @TheGhostOf2020
    @TheGhostOf2020 Рік тому +1463

    It’s kind of incredible how after centuries of oppression, mismanagement, and wasteful spending perpetrated by the french nobility… they tried to pin it all on the young foreign wife of the king.
    So low.

    • @hansspiegl8684
      @hansspiegl8684 Рік тому +85

      Perfect summary of the case Marie Antoinette! Greetings from Vienna, nearby Schönbrunn. She was just one of the many Erzherzoginnen (Archduchess) who were traded for political reasons.

    • @dtsidabutar
      @dtsidabutar Рік тому +28

      @@iridium8341 yes really.

    • @petrilofberg1758
      @petrilofberg1758 Рік тому +65

      She seemed like a convient scapegoat

    • @resugram_YT
      @resugram_YT Рік тому +31

      After all, its always the immigrants' fault...., right?

    • @P.eac.h
      @P.eac.h Рік тому +12

      You have a very progressive view of young. She was 37 when she was tried and executed.

  • @uria3679
    @uria3679 Рік тому +2481

    I think we can all agree that she was the least guilty of the Royal Family

  • @vivekpluch
    @vivekpluch Рік тому +1039

    I hate how Marie Antoinette is always portrayed as a villainess when in reality she was just a scapegoat

    • @marmar-90
      @marmar-90 Рік тому +19

      She's not really portrayed as a villainess...

    • @cherreline
      @cherreline Рік тому +79

      @@marmar-90 she definitely is, let them eat cake is an example

    • @marmar-90
      @marmar-90 Рік тому +40

      @@cherreline the 'let them eat cake' / 'qu'ils mangent de la brioche' has been 'debunked' like a century ago in France...everyone knows she never said that, apart from the Americans seemingly

    • @marmar-90
      @marmar-90 Рік тому +11

      and Brioche is very different from cake. It's a softy, fluffy and sweet type of bread. Nothing to do with cake

    • @welovephilippineswithmylov5419
      @welovephilippineswithmylov5419 Рік тому +2

      Ahhhmmm really Okay. But again and again whatever it is its our own Business 😁

  • @kevinrwhooley9439
    @kevinrwhooley9439 Рік тому +965

    Qin Shi Huang, Alexander the Great, Shaka Zulu, Vlad Tepes, Queen Victoria, John Calvin and Oliver Cromwell are all polarising figures that ought to be put on trial to really analyse their character.

    • @kevinrwhooley9439
      @kevinrwhooley9439 Рік тому +58

      @@sassenspeyghel4155 some Iranians, (definitely in the past, not too sure about today) referred to Alexander as 'Alexander the Accursed' for conquering the Achaemenid Empire and burning the city of Persepolis down.

    • @fyrusgrey5153
      @fyrusgrey5153 Рік тому +95

      @@sassenspeyghel4155 All conquerors are polarizing, depending on whether your people were the ones conquered or not. Alexander conquered a massive portion of the civilized world, with that comes murder, genocide and abuse of power. Still, he's seen as one of the greatest humans of all time despite this.

    • @gimmick206
      @gimmick206 Рік тому +16

      Why stop there, lets do about religious figure, jesus, mohammad and so on. No one is perfect.

    • @toni2296
      @toni2296 Рік тому +30

      @@gimmick206 I don't know much about Mohammad, but Jesus for sure wasn't polarizing, lol.

    • @thelearningmethod
      @thelearningmethod Рік тому +9

      ​@gimmick206 the commenter put John Calvin, and I guess it makes sense since he burnt someone at the stake for being non-Trinitarian, and I guess we can add Martin Luther too for being too harsh on Catholics, AnaBaptists, and Jews.

  • @annieboookhall
    @annieboookhall Рік тому +175

    Marie Antoinette was a sheltered girl with very little say in her fate from a very early age. Really, she rather a tragic case on all fronts

    • @NIGHTGUYRYAN
      @NIGHTGUYRYAN Рік тому +13

      yeah, she was just along for the ride. its unfortunate how things went, but not surprising considering how poorly her husband was doing as king

    • @Doublemonk0506
      @Doublemonk0506 Рік тому +6

      @@NIGHTGUYRYAN, who was a byproduct of the overcentralization of the French Monarchy

  • @tamimashahreen6758
    @tamimashahreen6758 Рік тому +87

    Marie was a very kind mother. She physically fought guards who tried to take her son away from her and doted on her children. Also, she adopted four children which meant half of her kids were adopted. Her daughter Sophie Helene Beatrice died before her first birthday and when she was trying to be consoled she said, " don't forget she would have been my friend".😢

    • @ilyashussein5972
      @ilyashussein5972 6 місяців тому

      She literally opposed financial reforms, COLLUDED WITH THE AUSTRIAN armies to the detriment of French soldiers AND clamoured her nobles and friends in other countries to violently CRUSH the revolutionaries. She was tyrannical like her Husband.

    • @JohnDoe-tt6en
      @JohnDoe-tt6en 22 дні тому

      I know little to nothing about her and the French Revolution (apparently it was pointlessly bloody and cruel, I should read/watch more about it), but it sounds as though she has an unfair rep.

  • @JorgeHernandez-lu1mi
    @JorgeHernandez-lu1mi Рік тому +171

    Marie Antoinette's story is a classic example of how when a nation is undergoing financial and social turmoil, it's leaders and citizens will choose to scapegoat the conspicuous immigrant. Thus it was with the Apostles in Rome, Greece and elsewhere, the Roma during the Spanish Inquisition, the German Jews after WWI, Japanese Americans during WWII and so it is still everywhere in the world.

    • @tylerbozinovski427
      @tylerbozinovski427 Рік тому +8

      German-Americans in both world wars...

    • @thenablade858
      @thenablade858 10 місяців тому +3

      @@tylerbozinovski427 It was mostly the Japanese. If you look at Walt Disney’s WW2 propaganda cartoons, the attacks against the Japanese were way more vehement than the Germans or the Italians (as the Americans were at war with them in the Pacific).

    • @tylerbozinovski427
      @tylerbozinovski427 10 місяців тому +5

      @@thenablade858 I get your point, but you seem to be forgetting about the German-Americans who under pressure decided to Anglicise their names and abandon their roots en-masse (so as to avoid discrimination), and also about the lack of an apology by the White House to German-Americans interned during both of the world wars, unlike with Italian-Americans and Japanese-Americans in only the second of these wars.

  • @alanpolanco6828
    @alanpolanco6828 Рік тому +357

    i was always taught marie was a horrible person but to learn she was actually more humble than told is shocking to learn

    • @NIGHTGUYRYAN
      @NIGHTGUYRYAN Рік тому +64

      she wasnt a horrible person, she was a product of her environment which shielded her from the reality of the people. affluence was her problem.

    • @Doublemonk0506
      @Doublemonk0506 Рік тому +56

      ​@@NIGHTGUYRYAN, that and the limited role of women at the time. And the stigma against foreigners being a rotted little cherry on top

    • @bmona7550
      @bmona7550 Рік тому +40

      ​@@NIGHTGUYRYANActually the court gossip against her was so bad that she was most likely influenced to over spend because when she was wearing something simple they mocked her. When she wore something extravagant and expected for a Queen they mocked her. Everyone was basically against her except maybe her husband and kids.

    • @lunagrace2872
      @lunagrace2872 Рік тому +14

      @@bmona7550 Correct, she actually spent way less then previous French queens and trying to convince the French nobles to spend less money but of course that didn’t work out. And they told her she’s queen her job is to be the symbol of the French monarchy = looking so rich that no one can deny that God chose then to rule France.

    • @altinaykor364
      @altinaykor364 11 місяців тому

      @user-pq4fc1mc7q go edcuate yourself more

  • @MylkT1023
    @MylkT1023 Рік тому +74

    The quote "Let them eat cake" wasnt fabricated by her enemies, but by a philosopher as an autobiography. And by the time he wrote it, it didnt line up with Marie's time in France. She was 9 years old when that infamous quote was coined and she had NEVER been to France at that time

    • @thenablade858
      @thenablade858 10 місяців тому

      The story is a fabrication, not the Rosseau quote. That’s what they mean.

  • @TheMedicatedArtist
    @TheMedicatedArtist Рік тому +88

    Oh thank god. I’ve been wanting this series AND a video on Marie Antoinette.

  • @SakuraGurl808
    @SakuraGurl808 Рік тому +110

    I love these “History vs. “ episodes. I’m glad there is a recent update, and debating a famous queen in European history. It’s interesting that the defendant didn’t mention her earlier years as an Austrian princess and the Dauphine in more detail; she was a pretty decent character then. She was seen as a charming and brilliant teenager, but just frivolous in mind; like modern teenagers, she preferred attending social gatherings over studying. But she also had strong morals and stood by them like her mother, hence her clash with Madame du Barry in court.

    • @night6724
      @night6724 Рік тому +4

      But Marie Antoinette eventually discarded many expensive dresses and tried to making dressing simple more fashionable

    • @inalatumarianna5510
      @inalatumarianna5510 9 місяців тому +2

      ​@@night6724 And got scorned by it too.

  • @martijnkeisers5900
    @martijnkeisers5900 Рік тому +51

    Being a symbol is a heavy burden, one can end up being seen as a savior or a demon depending on things out of one's control.
    The fact we are still discussing her faith say's it all.

  • @hugomoreno9751
    @hugomoreno9751 Рік тому +147

    Okay, but can we talk about how sweet and kind looks Marie Antoinette in this video? Her animated version is just adorable!

  • @aidanrogers4438
    @aidanrogers4438 Рік тому +160

    Always love to see new videos in this series. I’d love to see a video on Margaret of Anjou, Lancastrian queen of England during the Wars of the Roses, whose reputation and image is still rather mixed even though more recent historians have started to re-examine her role and character.

  • @merrymachiavelli2041
    @merrymachiavelli2041 Рік тому +40

    All in all, she seems pretty normal as far as Queens went, she just lived during a period when the concept of monarchy was questioned, which changes her context as a historical figure. Nobody gives a flying fig about the hundreds of other historical queens who may or may not have spent lavishly or given bad foreign policy advice.

    • @somekindofflower2024
      @somekindofflower2024 5 місяців тому

      Exactly! Her crime at that time was simply being the Queen of France.

  • @frankydman
    @frankydman Рік тому +65

    Vlad the Impaler would be a good topic for this series
    Throughout the world he’s remembered as a bloodthirsty, cruel tyrant, and the inspiration for Dracula, but in his native Romania he’s a highly regarded hero

    • @hello-gx6oi
      @hello-gx6oi Рік тому +2

      Yeah i want them to make a history vs Vlad the impaler

    • @jeffreygao3956
      @jeffreygao3956 10 місяців тому +1

      You’d think ar least Armenians would like him since he fought Ottoman Turks.

  • @frogglen6350
    @frogglen6350 Рік тому +175

    Execution was way too harsh for her. Even if her opinions were lame

    • @ZOCCOK
      @ZOCCOK Рік тому +45

      We can say that today, however back then when the concept of revolution was young and fledgling, even the slightest threat or symbol to their power was (in their eyes), a threat to their revolution.
      So they basically went on a crusade to eliminate anything and everything associated to the monarchy.

    • @frogglen6350
      @frogglen6350 Рік тому +10

      @@sassenspeyghel4155
      And then said extremist ended up losing and bringing back the monarchy after Napoleon lost

    • @frogglen6350
      @frogglen6350 Рік тому

      @ZOCCOK
      And then you gets Robesperre

    • @stratospheric37
      @stratospheric37 Рік тому +1

      She was literally a treasonous traitor but okay

    • @marcus3445
      @marcus3445 Рік тому +19

      that's why Mao Zedong's decision to not execute China's last emperor but to turn him into a perfect example of a communist citizen was so genius

  • @aureus2636
    @aureus2636 Рік тому +323

    There’s actually a fantastic movie about Marie Antoinette that came out in 2006 that was directed by Sofia Coppola. While some of the historical facts are slightly stretched, I think it really captures who Antoinette REALLY was.

    • @dangerislander
      @dangerislander Рік тому +54

      She was just a young teenager thrust into a powerful position. Wasn't her fault tbh

    • @NIGHTGUYRYAN
      @NIGHTGUYRYAN Рік тому +25

      ​@@dangerislanderthe french people were also thrown into a bad situation that wasnt their fault.

    • @sayexavier4457
      @sayexavier4457 Рік тому +22

      ​@@dangerislanderShe wasn't a naive person, and was trained on how to be a queen as the other hapsburg princesses were, however, she didn't have much power. The Queen in France held little power

    • @Lumosnight
      @Lumosnight Рік тому +4

      That movie portrayed her as a brat who slept around and had extravagant parties.

    • @BenHopkins1000
      @BenHopkins1000 Рік тому +4

      @@LumosnightSo, pretty much what everyone accuses her of being?

  • @kathryn3802
    @kathryn3802 Рік тому +30

    What a wonderful treat after work, always enjoy this series!. As a lawyer.and history buff, I really appreciate how you present both sides and raise valuable questions. Marie Antoinette is certainly a fascinating figure. She really shows all the contradictions of a queen consort. Look forward to seeing more History v. videos.

  • @gerrymandering6669
    @gerrymandering6669 Рік тому +17

    5:02 what i’ve been saying for Y E A R S. she was literally just expected to stand in a corner and look fabulous anyway. people love to vilify women.

  • @stephenwhitacre5208
    @stephenwhitacre5208 Рік тому +63

    I feel so bad for Marie Antoniette. She was too harshly hated for something she had no power over and couldn't fix things she with people who were not listening to her. She may have made some flaws but she was better than a whole lot of people

    • @aryoneshinnthant4317
      @aryoneshinnthant4317 Рік тому +3

      She didn't get the proper education. She is only good at art, music, entertainments and fashion.

    • @aspannas
      @aspannas Рік тому +10

      @user-pq4fc1mc7q She was a queen, she didn't have nearly as much power as her husband, the king. She basically had no political power.

    • @sentientbottleofglue6272
      @sentientbottleofglue6272 Рік тому

      ​@user-pq4fc1mc7q
      *A FEMALE Monarch
      They don't have much say in anything, actually. Basically her role for the majority of the time: "Smile and wave boys, smile and wave"

    • @jesseleeward2359
      @jesseleeward2359 11 місяців тому +1

      @user-pq4fc1mc7q I know. I don't get the idolizing of Marie Antoinette either. She had less power than the king but more power than just about anyone else in France.

    • @altinaykor364
      @altinaykor364 11 місяців тому +2

      @@jesseleeward2359 such a petty human being you are

  • @justinehercthehuman
    @justinehercthehuman Рік тому +109

    This just reminds me of Imelda Marcos but she's worse. She openly admits to being a wasteful first lady and admits to being the reason of the decisions of his husband (a dictator of a president). She's not even a queen yet acts like one. The biggest problem is that the people see them as a power couple in politics. They'd deny the atrocious crimes of the Marcoses and call them the best leaders. She's still alive today with her son being the new president who plans to bury his father in the National Heroes Cemetery. It sickens and disgusts me how people are easily fooled with corrupt politicians. Sad.

    • @jeffreygao3956
      @jeffreygao3956 Рік тому +15

      Corazon Aquino was ten times the president Ferdinand Marcos ever was!

    • @ChristianSirianni
      @ChristianSirianni Рік тому +2

      The guys who snubbed the Beatles

    • @moonshot3159
      @moonshot3159 Рік тому +1

      Nah the fact that Marcos is president today is proof that the Filipino people no longer believe that false narrative that was perpetuated by their enemies.

    • @adriandapat1206
      @adriandapat1206 Рік тому

      They're all corrupt because of a bad, outdated system of ours.

    • @brian3439
      @brian3439 Рік тому

      His father is already buried in the National Heroes' Cemetery. He's been there for several years now even before the son became the new president. Get all your facts straigjht if you want to champion the "truth". Otherwise, you're just as misniformed as the ones you call victims of fake news.

  • @urmwhynot
    @urmwhynot Рік тому +81

    A child bride made Queen consort of France. What a perfect scapegoat

    • @nicholaslewis8594
      @nicholaslewis8594 Рік тому +27

      And she was Austrian, so even better.

    • @mississipi1103
      @mississipi1103 Рік тому +7

      Erm both were children

    • @thekoolquintents6770
      @thekoolquintents6770 Рік тому +10

      That's politics for you, pin the blame on one group, person, or economic system and say you'll be better than that.

    • @P.eac.h
      @P.eac.h Рік тому +9

      Her husband was literally only one year older than her.

    • @KL-ki8db
      @KL-ki8db Рік тому +4

      @@P.eac.hWho still should have had a better understanding of France since he was literally born there.

  • @tomasgomez6142
    @tomasgomez6142 Рік тому +7

    This is one of the best series on this channel! Glad to see it back, and going there's more to come!

  • @bleedingroze
    @bleedingroze Рік тому +151

    For any interested, there is a fantastic manga about the French Revolution and many of the things leading up to it, told through the lens of the executioner of Paris and his family. It’s extremely gory and highly stylized/sensationalized, but the perspectives of the author and the way they tell the stories of real people is fascinating. My favorite plot point is that a large part of the tipping point leading up to the revolt is the barbarism the public sees in public displays of execution and torture. The story starts with the young main character (who is the man who beheaded Louie XVI) learning the trade from his father. In those days the king is an unrivaled god in the eyes of the people of France, but by the time he’s a grown man teaching his own children, the people of France are disillusioned and foaming at the mouth for change. The manga is “Innocent” by Sakamoto Shinichi.

    • @NIGHTGUYRYAN
      @NIGHTGUYRYAN Рік тому +5

      oh wow! i'll check this out! really fascinating stuff, glad you recommended it!

    • @AliSakurai
      @AliSakurai Рік тому +29

      Don't forget the rose of Versailles. The author was praised by the French government because of how accurate it was.

    • @baphomex668
      @baphomex668 Рік тому +5

      Innocent is amazing honestly. It has some of the most beautifull pages of manga that i have ever seen, and its full of incredible moments and Characters

    • @mistyknoxwall9051
      @mistyknoxwall9051 Рік тому +2

      That's my favorite manga! It's incredible!

    • @rimanag1567
      @rimanag1567 Рік тому +2

      Thank you soo much for the recommendation! I'll definitely check it out.

  • @jentacularbudget2287
    @jentacularbudget2287 Рік тому +55

    One thing few people mention is that when she was presented with an enslaved child from Senegal who was expected to become her servant, she immediately adopted him and had him baptised as Jean Amilcar. She then funded his education until she physically could not. For the standards of the time, she treated people of colour far better than others did at court, especially Madame Du Barry, who made her Indian servant perform as an African savage for her own entertainment.

    • @lovelydreamingtime9563
      @lovelydreamingtime9563 Місяць тому

      Paying for poor foster children was something expected for a queen of France to do for charity. However, Jean Amilcar was sent to a boarding school at Saint Cloud, rather than being raised at court much like the other children. When Antoinette could no longer pay for the school fee once she was imprisoned in 1791, Amilcar was expelled from the school. He was later taken in by one of his teachers, Quentin Beldon, by the time Amilcar was 11. He was able to be enrolled in Liancort Academy in 1796 in Paris for art with state financial support. However, Amilcar would pass away in that same year in a hospital from an illness at 19 years old.

  • @valmid5069
    @valmid5069 Рік тому +7

    Its great to see another History Vs videos, this is an icing on the cake

  • @paleoph6168
    @paleoph6168 Рік тому +52

    I love this series by Ted Ed. I can't wait on who they will put on trial next!

  • @Vicioussama
    @Vicioussama Рік тому +23

    Marie Antoinette was wrongfully slandered tbh, I do feel bad for her.

  • @lionellion4621
    @lionellion4621 Рік тому +18

    What I like about this series is that (Most of them) leave you on the balance of trying to figure out who if anyone is the guilty party. And the judge who usually has the final word, always clinches it with a sentence that shows that things are more paradoxical than they seem.

  • @Edmonton-of2ec
    @Edmonton-of2ec Рік тому +16

    Actually, France’s finances were ruined before Louis XVI took the throne. The last time the country had a balanced budget (no surplus) was in the middle of the reign of Louis’s predecessor and grandfather, Louis XV. He also spent more frivolous then either Louis XVI or Marie Antoinette, as he heaped sums of money onto mistresses, while his grandson remained faithful.
    One should also note the highest court spender during Louis XVI’s reign was not his wife, but the King’s brother Charles Philippe, Count of Artois (the future King Charles X)

    • @prabowodjojominarso6151
      @prabowodjojominarso6151 Рік тому +3

      Yeah you are right 👍👍 the last time ancien regime france had surplus was during the regency of cardinal fleury !!
      France during the era of louis xiii, xiv and xv have 3 cardinal who ruled as statesmen when the kings still in minority ( cardinal richeleu , cardinal mazarin and cardinal fleury )

    • @thenablade858
      @thenablade858 10 місяців тому

      Nobody said otherwise.

  • @liliyafaskhutdinova6532
    @liliyafaskhutdinova6532 Рік тому +15

    Her own "private chateau" near Versailles is essentially a house smaller than many modern private mentions. It's not nearly as luxury as Versailles, the rooms are very small and the reason she had it was exactly because she wanted to live a simpler life than that in the official king's residence.

    • @watching7721
      @watching7721 Рік тому +2

      I've heard it was more of a vacation home than a day to day residence

    • @ilyashussein5972
      @ilyashussein5972 6 місяців тому

      She literally opposed financial reforms, COLLUDED WITH THE AUSTRIAN armies to the detriment of French soldiers AND clamoured her nobles and friends in other countries to violently CRUSH the revolutionaries. She was tyrannical like her Husband.

  • @sophiaisabelle027
    @sophiaisabelle027 Рік тому +38

    We will always support this channel. They're the best at everything.

  • @tuyet2bdead193
    @tuyet2bdead193 Рік тому +9

    I only recently came to notice Marie Antoinette after the exhibit in Japan about her, they hired the singer Aimer to sing a song about the young lady, "marie". Surely romanticized, but Aimer took a moment to reflect on the kind of life such a young girl had to live.

  • @Golden_Blaze101
    @Golden_Blaze101 Рік тому +29

    the animation team really needs an applause

  • @DJuuJ
    @DJuuJ Рік тому +15

    "And can even the powerful be victims of circumstance?"
    Certified Pu-yi moment

  • @pie1623
    @pie1623 Рік тому +27

    honestly much of the hate she faced and still faces is just badly concealed mysogny

    • @ilyashussein5972
      @ilyashussein5972 6 місяців тому

      She literally opposed financial reforms, COLLUDED WITH THE AUSTRIAN armies to the detriment of French soldiers AND clamoured her nobles and friends in other countries to violently CRUSH the revolutionaries. She was tyrannical like her Husband.

  • @missl1775
    @missl1775 Рік тому +12

    What about all the children she adopted or helped raise? That would have been an interesting discussion point.

  • @KTChamberlain
    @KTChamberlain Рік тому +483

    Whether you like her or hate her, can we all agree that Marie Antoinette is overrated? I mean as a history buff, she strikes me as someone who barely had any agency to speak of, especially when compared to women like Cleopatra, Catherine the Great, Elizabeth I, and Joan of Arc, and that's just to name a few.

    • @Lum1s-yf6jf
      @Lum1s-yf6jf Рік тому +51

      No we cannot

    • @seanmcloughlin5983
      @seanmcloughlin5983 Рік тому +60

      @jackjones4824she could’ve been the most egalitarian person on the face of the earth, lived in a poor house, and donated every cent she had and there was nothing she or anyone in France could’ve done to get France out of its financial hole
      Besides taxes their total defeat in the 7 years where they lost basically all their colonies and most of their working age men, they were kinda screwed regardless

    • @Arushi701
      @Arushi701 Рік тому +49

      Most women in history did not have much agency. We can’t just exclude them.

    • @NIGHTGUYRYAN
      @NIGHTGUYRYAN Рік тому +39

      right - she was neither a victim or a villain. she was just there.

    • @BKStarlet08
      @BKStarlet08 Рік тому +29

      I honestly never understood why Marie Antoinette was so famously scandalized

  • @fpz3491
    @fpz3491 Рік тому +4

    So glad to see another video of history on trial, thank you!

  • @Rosie_Posie.mylove
    @Rosie_Posie.mylove 5 місяців тому +27

    Who's here because of her appearance in the Olympics' opening ceremony

    • @nagidoyej563
      @nagidoyej563 5 місяців тому +2

      some Christians in twitter thought she's a 'chanting satanic headless witch' 😭 like please it's french history

    • @echidnaralsei1473
      @echidnaralsei1473 5 місяців тому

      ​@@nagidoyej563I mean the French revolutionaries were trying to establish a secular gov't at that time right? 😅

  • @AlvaroIbacacheS
    @AlvaroIbacacheS Рік тому +10

    It’s amazing how the figure of Marie Antoinette has change so drastically in latter decades, once a hate historical figure, nowadays she’s the center of attention of Versailles, she’s probably the most well know royal figure in French history.

  • @Tekirai
    @Tekirai 8 місяців тому +4

    Marie Antoinette was in a lose/lose situation she was only 14 when she came to France and had to live according to the French court base on the rigid rules by Louis xiv. If you wanna talk about debt it started when he made Versailles and the country just never recovered from that extraordinary build.

  • @allanfarina1105
    @allanfarina1105 Рік тому +15

    Winston Churchill would be a great subject for a "History on Trial" episode

  • @kay-ok5ed
    @kay-ok5ed 3 місяці тому +2

    King Louis XVI did gift Marie Antoinette the Petit Trianon, a small chateau, where she could get away from royal life, because she had nearly zero privacy at Versailles. Versailles had thousands of people, gossip was rampant, and even while she took a bath she was not alone. At the chateau only the closest to the queen were allowed, which made jealous many people at Versailles. I’d want my privacy too if I were her.

  • @asmababker7264
    @asmababker7264 Рік тому +8

    Can we just agree on the irony of that Antoinette's final words were the apology to her executioner for stepping on his foot

  • @morgan2935
    @morgan2935 Рік тому +2

    This is one of the best channels ever, loved this!

  • @jeffreygao3956
    @jeffreygao3956 Рік тому +23

    I think Marie should’ve just been confined to house arrest. The revolutionary government was just too quick to judge her guilty.
    PS I’m hold out for History vs…
    Richard Lionheart
    Alexander the Great
    Pericles
    Leonidas
    Oda Nobunaga
    Andrew Carnegie
    John D Rockefeller
    Walt Disney

    • @theotherohlourdespadua1131
      @theotherohlourdespadua1131 Рік тому

      Doubtful. Marie Antoinette is Austrian and by the time she was executed in 1793 her home country of Austria has been at war with the First French Republic since 1791. Her own nationality doomed her to the guillotine along with their aborted escape to the French border. The French, already anti-Austrian by national character, would not let an enemy foreigner related to a deposed king live another minute longer...

    • @arethas1387
      @arethas1387 Рік тому

      She was pretty much under house arrest but still found ways to leak important military secrets during the war

    • @daothucanh9621
      @daothucanh9621 Рік тому +4

      Maybe they have to get rid of her because of her relation to the Austrian Monarch. Someone on this comment section has pointed out that the Austrian King (I believe he was her brother) could use this opportunity to take control of France and put her husband/son back into power. Or they want to use her as a scapegoat, a convenient symbol like this video had said, to gather support and to justify their new regime

    • @ilyashussein5972
      @ilyashussein5972 6 місяців тому

      @@daothucanh9621 She literally opposed financial reforms, COLLUDED WITH THE AUSTRIAN armies to the detriment of French soldiers AND clamoured her nobles and friends in other countries to violently CRUSH the revolutionaries. She was tyrannical like her Husband.

    • @daothucanh9621
      @daothucanh9621 6 місяців тому

      @@ilyashussein5972 well, I'm no historian so I will base my understanding of her base on this video. The video acknowledges that she believed in the divine right of the king but still try to work with the reformers, only for people to said that she slept with them. For the Austrian army the video said that (or at least from my understanding) that was her husband’s doing, there's no proof of her treason.

  • @emberhorgan7367
    @emberhorgan7367 5 днів тому +2

    ‘she lived a lavish life while people were starving’ you can say that about every single rich person there ever was.

  • @karlheinzamigable5770
    @karlheinzamigable5770 Рік тому +7

    Im glad this series is back

  • @MrCool-fm5ty
    @MrCool-fm5ty Рік тому +5

    The graph at 2:25 is wrong. Presumably time is on the y axis so the ups and downs in the graph is back and forward in time. I am so cool.

  • @davidwhatsthatabout7404
    @davidwhatsthatabout7404 Рік тому +11

    @1:00 he drops the accent

  • @oopsy444
    @oopsy444 Рік тому +6

    So glad they brought back this series! Its what got me into ted ed to start!

  • @gamebawesome
    @gamebawesome Рік тому +7

    Reading about her, I look at Marie Antionette in a more sympathetic light. She really was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

  • @trollingisasport
    @trollingisasport 19 днів тому +3

    1:09 Is it just me or does he start sound a little more zesty on this part?

  • @colleenodriscoll8914
    @colleenodriscoll8914 Рік тому +4

    Omigosh i was really hoping they’d do her in this series!

  • @MikeJupiter66
    @MikeJupiter66 Рік тому +6

    Given how the "History vs." series has already done a video on Henry VIII and now, a queen consort, doing a video on Anne Boleyn or Catherine Howard would be pretty great, given that both of them tend to be quite polarizing figures. Especially Anne with being part of the Protestant Reformation and being the "Scandal of Christendom".

  • @Moss_knight00
    @Moss_knight00 Рік тому +12

    I don't even have words to describe how much I love this serie, maybe only the demon of reason one is on pair. You know what? I just love ted-ed

  • @danielrestrepo6988
    @danielrestrepo6988 Рік тому +1

    Love these history on trial vids. Easily my favorite thing you guys produce

  • @luonggiaphat7946
    @luonggiaphat7946 Рік тому +12

    I’m hoping for History vs General Douglas McAuthur next. Some people regard him as one of the best USS generals, while others say he is incompetent and egotistical.

    • @BenHopkins1000
      @BenHopkins1000 Рік тому

      I’m also hoping for History vs. Grant. Let’s wait a whole century before doing History vs. Trump…

    • @luonggiaphat7946
      @luonggiaphat7946 Рік тому +1

      @@BenHopkins1000 Although Trump was far from being a great president, I think he had some bright ideas, like bringing manulfacture back to his country, closing the border. His first term didn't go too well considering the trade war and the horrible covid response. This time though, he made some better plans while trying to run for president, like trying to end homelessness, and building new cities, I think he would be a good advisor.

    • @DylanDkoh
      @DylanDkoh 11 місяців тому

      @@luonggiaphat7946manufacture back to the USA!? Delusional when American labor is the most expensive in the world.

    • @luonggiaphat7946
      @luonggiaphat7946 11 місяців тому

      @@DylanDkoh Cheap cost for products would be a heavy cost for this to work, but from Trump’s perspective, it could be an advantage in the long run. By manufacturing many of your industrial goods rather than letting your own rival do it for you, you still have powerful industrial capabilities and is less dependent on your enemy.

  • @Arushi701
    @Arushi701 Рік тому +6

    I never imagined they would actually do this video after so many years 😭

  • @jeremy1860
    @jeremy1860 Рік тому +191

    It's sad, isn't it? How many people just jump at the chance to make someone out to be a villain. And how long history will hold to that view 😟

    • @blank_3768
      @blank_3768 Рік тому +22

      except she want a good person, she was slandered but it doesn’t change the fact she was an absolute monarchist

    • @JEkglw
      @JEkglw Рік тому +11

      All monarchs are villains

    • @interferenzbrille_2542
      @interferenzbrille_2542 Рік тому +18

      @@mellmellody Nobody says that, mate. It's just that the hate directed to her is disproportionately more than to others, and that is an interesting thing to acknowledge.

    • @NIGHTGUYRYAN
      @NIGHTGUYRYAN Рік тому +8

      ​@@interferenzbrille_2542this thread is literally filled with comments saying "poor marie antoinette" - where are you getting that most people throw hate at her??? name a movie or show or book that paints her in a bad light? its all defending her. the only people that threw hate at her were the french people and they had every right to be angry. id agree that her husband was responsible and she was a royal baby maker expected to behave and produce an heir and thats it! it wasnt her fault, but its incorrect to make it assume like the last 100 years havent been spent attempting to make a martyr of her despite the fact that she was part of a criminally inept regime that left no other choices than exile or execution for the french people.
      id argue she isnt relevant to the story and the only reason she is paraded around as a victim of the revolution is because she is the most sympathetic character of the story despite being utterly lacking in her own agency for good or for bad.

    • @lolol345-k5f
      @lolol345-k5f Рік тому +5

      ​@@mellmellodynot her fault, the fact that she did help those poor commoner yk

  • @bellepierre24
    @bellepierre24 Рік тому +2

    She was not the French monarch, she was his consort and had nothing to do with governing France. Among her many flawed the primary reasons she was hated was that she was Austrian. France & Austria had been at it for a while and her marriage to the then dofan (heir to the throne) was supposed to broker in peace.

  • @sebdragonholste2404
    @sebdragonholste2404 7 місяців тому +7

    If Marie Antoinette had not been married to Louis, very little would’ve changed and you could not call her a traitor she wasn’t French her only crime was being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

    • @ilyashussein5972
      @ilyashussein5972 6 місяців тому +1

      She literally opposed financial reforms, COLLUDED WITH THE AUSTRIAN armies to the detriment of French soldiers AND clamoured her nobles and friends in other countries to violently CRUSH the revolutionaries. She was tyrannical like her Husband.

    • @ilyashussein5972
      @ilyashussein5972 6 місяців тому +2

      Her only crime? Do not make me laugh. Get more knowledgeable. She could've voted for reforms to ease the suffering of the public but she directly opposed it and voted against them. Her crimes are numerous, the hate did not come from no where.

    • @weirdfairy
      @weirdfairy 3 місяці тому +2

      ​@@ilyashussein5972
      U sure know nothing about her and definitely didn't even watch the video but came to spit nonsense in the comments

  • @NikiforosJoannis
    @NikiforosJoannis Рік тому +8

    Great video with a lot of balance in the narrative. In the end, she suffered for being sold as a royal wife.

  • @NarcisismoColetivo
    @NarcisismoColetivo 4 місяці тому +3

    Shouldn't those who claim to have empathy treat both wealthy and poor individuals with the same level of understanding and compassion, without focusing solely on their economic status?

    • @weirdfairy
      @weirdfairy 3 місяці тому +3

      Exactly, but humanity is rarely found.

  • @JW-do2wc
    @JW-do2wc Рік тому +1

    I'm glad they have more of these episodes.

  • @billcipherproductions1789
    @billcipherproductions1789 Рік тому +6

    You should also do History vs. Anne Boleyn.

  • @sunsetrose5772
    @sunsetrose5772 Рік тому +2

    Been waiting for this. Thanks ❤

  • @tdesq.2463
    @tdesq.2463 2 місяці тому +3

    Verdict for the Defense.
    She was a kid ... a sacrificial lamb.

    • @lilyn7497
      @lilyn7497 Місяць тому +1

      a 37 year old kid?

    • @tdesq.2463
      @tdesq.2463 Місяць тому +1

      @lilyn7497 Everything's relative.

    • @tdesq.2463
      @tdesq.2463 17 днів тому

      I'm glad someone's listening.

  • @Faye-Jane
    @Faye-Jane Рік тому +6

    ‘Let them eat cake’ was actually made up. She didn’t say that, I think anyone who has common sense with what’s going on with France wouldn’t say that.

    • @ilyashussein5972
      @ilyashussein5972 6 місяців тому

      She literally opposed financial reforms, COLLUDED WITH THE AUSTRIAN armies to the detriment of French soldiers AND clamoured her nobles and friends in other countries to violently CRUSH the revolutionaries. She was tyrannical like her Husband. That wasn't made up. What now?

  • @helenavanhimbeeck3520
    @helenavanhimbeeck3520 Рік тому +17

    It would be interesting if you put Leopold II (king from belgium) on trial.

    • @sayexavier4457
      @sayexavier4457 Рік тому +7

      They usually try to do controversial figures, not someone who outrighted committed genocide

  • @satyawirasenajaputra9888
    @satyawirasenajaputra9888 Рік тому +4

    "She lives in lavish while her people starves!"
    Aint that happened in all countries around the world?

    • @Pancasilaist8752
      @Pancasilaist8752 Рік тому

      Yeah, regardless of government ideology, this always happening in time of large famine.

  • @xygenjji3591
    @xygenjji3591 Рік тому +11

    I think Maria Antonette ,was a good person who really tried to help her people, and I think there are some accounts that she was a scapegoat and tried to use make her some spoiled, extravagant queen. In my opinion she was a very good mother devoted wife and was kind misunderstood

  • @alexl.p8223
    @alexl.p8223 Рік тому +1

    Finally! a new 'History vs' video.

  • @plnguyen4159
    @plnguyen4159 Рік тому +3

    The next video you could do could be about Frederick the great. His reign can be quite confusing depending how you look at it.

  • @MinsEducation
    @MinsEducation Рік тому +10

    As someone who hardly paid any attention during my high school history I love these video, now I too can pretend to know about history.

  • @hikmetabdulhamid
    @hikmetabdulhamid Рік тому +4

    We, in Ethiopia, are facing the same circumstances France was facing then. High cost of living, very hard to afford anything and the PM is building a Palace. Who does that in this century?

    • @LunaticoniSolar
      @LunaticoniSolar Рік тому

      Same here in Brazil

    • @hikmetabdulhamid
      @hikmetabdulhamid Рік тому +2

      @@LunaticoniSolar I guess humans never change. Whether emperors, Kings, or "democratic leaders", one's who love power always want more ways to show their power. Its human nature to want more

    • @NoName-hg6cc
      @NoName-hg6cc Рік тому

      Can you vote? Because in that case you cannot really say anything much, you have the power to choose

    • @hikmetabdulhamid
      @hikmetabdulhamid Рік тому

      @@NoName-hg6cc We can vote in name only. It's always rigged. And the PM is a smooth talker. People are only realising what kind of leader and government we have got right now

  • @QuirkyGirlCorner
    @QuirkyGirlCorner Рік тому +9

    Marie was a child and she had no idea what was going on and the French court was nuts before she came there

    • @alexanderguerrero347
      @alexanderguerrero347 Рік тому +1

      Marie spoke French though. She could figure it out.

    • @FenTastic18
      @FenTastic18 Рік тому

      The thing is: she was not properly prepared for the French court’s rules of etiquette and behaviors as established by previous monarchs; they were likely rather weird to her compared to her understanding of her own court’s rules; as she was not the first choice for the marriage, she was not given the head start training her sisters received on how to navigate these rules, and the French nobility judged harshly, especially considering her age and being foreign to the court

    • @Dennis-nc3vw
      @Dennis-nc3vw Рік тому

      She wasn’t ‘a child’ by the time the French Revolution happened.

    • @8bitdiedie
      @8bitdiedie 7 місяців тому

      Weird how no one has this attitude about her husband also being a child when he came to power.

    • @ilyashussein5972
      @ilyashussein5972 6 місяців тому

      She literally opposed financial reforms, COLLUDED WITH THE AUSTRIAN armies to the detriment of French soldiers AND clamoured her nobles and friends in other countries to violently CRUSH the revolutionaries. She was tyrannical like her Husband.

  • @Newdivide
    @Newdivide Рік тому +96

    Marie Antoinette: Hey my hair is a boat
    I'm not making that up. Her hair really was a boat
    - oversimplified, French Revolution

    • @melodyclark1944
      @melodyclark1944 Рік тому +8

      It was to show support for the American Revolution

    • @piedathemokona
      @piedathemokona Рік тому +2

      Watched the video this morning

    • @abbyadventure5689
      @abbyadventure5689 Рік тому +2

      I love overslimplofie

    • @MossyMozart
      @MossyMozart Рік тому +4

      @Newdivide - It was in support of the French Navy and was a wig, of course.

    • @NIGHTGUYRYAN
      @NIGHTGUYRYAN Рік тому +3

      ​@@MossyMozartoh well thats not as fun or ironic, but i agree it would have been too perfect to have a symbol of revolution on her head only for her to then lose her head in revolution. how poetic, but probably too on the nose to actually be real.😂

  • @NicholasIrvin
    @NicholasIrvin Рік тому

    It's good to see another history on trial video hope we see more keep up the good work

  • @bywatergal4177
    @bywatergal4177 Рік тому +6

    I think the exact political situation is too complex for use to judge without at least considerable research, but in a sort of composit of her life I think Marie was a relatively good queen. The idea that she was a sacrifice is a little silly because that's just how royal marriages worked at the time, but she was still far too young for all the responsibilities put on her and the way she handled them shows a good amount of intelligence and grace. Of course, she wasn't a great queen and there is certainly more she could have done to help, but the main things she was guilty of are being queen during the fall of the monarchy and being an easy scapegoat. France's problems were complicated and coming from all sorts of directions and in modern times we tend to forget that women in royalty often had little control over their circumstances and weren't always taught that they should or could be a voice for change. For their families the safest route to power and stability was to teach them to present themselves well and follow the lead of their husbands. That being said, queens did have considerable power over the women at court and their status as top of the monarchy was something no one could brush off.
    (if you want to know more I'd suggest looking into her charitable work and trying to gauge how extensive it was. also, France's involvement in the American Revolutionary War was in large part an extension of their ongoing rivalry and set of wars with England, so that's a whole other can of worms)

    • @KL-ki8db
      @KL-ki8db Рік тому

      Don’t forget her adoptions and most of them were turned to the streets when she was arrested and executed.

    • @NIGHTGUYRYAN
      @NIGHTGUYRYAN Рік тому +3

      ​@@KL-ki8dbshe adopted orphans who became orphans due to her husbands inability to lead. thats like asking for praise over adopting an orphan after you kill their parents. like what??? one boy from sengal was just given to her as a gift. like he was a pet. its really not the compliment you think it is

    • @bywatergal4177
      @bywatergal4177 Рік тому +1

      @@NIGHTGUYRYAN i think this is another case of a grey area or the need for more research. Things like why she did it and how she treated them would make or break the case. What I can say for certain is being turned back to the streets is better than being legitimate because if they were they'd be a threat to those who wanted the monarchy gone. Anyone with a claim to the throne has to be executed if you really want them not to ever have it because they represent the opportunity for people to either retain faith in their right to the throne or use it for their own gain. Royalty is messy and far too often really messed up

    • @8bitdiedie
      @8bitdiedie 7 місяців тому

      Umm… glad you feel that way about people who literally owned slaves?

  • @dynastywarriorlord07
    @dynastywarriorlord07 Рік тому +4

    Can you guys make history VS Henry Kissinger next? I feel that with his passing as of November 2023, he would definitely be an interesting figure to examine

  • @malum9478
    @malum9478 Рік тому +3

    the real issue is that it _doesn't matter_ how benevolent or not she was. whether she spent a ton of money or none, the conclusion remains the same: monarchy is a bad system of government, and as a monarch she had an outsized impact on the people that easily lead to much negativity. these are people who have slaves for pete's sake. marie was, by all accounts, a pretty unremarkable queen, as was her king consort henry. they just happened to be the ones in power at the time when revolution caught up with them. regardless of if she was a good person or not, her role as queen was one that was untenable with what the people desired and needed. if you believe in democracy--and you should otherwise we've got some much bigger problems at hand--then you have to come to the conclusion that monarchy cannot stand.
    the truth is that any revolution will end with the death of the old guard. there's no way to ensure the world is able to change until the old world isn't able to come back and put things as they were. to this end, the french revolution itself was a failure in many ways. not the least of which being napoleon himself who just reinstituted monarchy with himself as the head of state(dictatorship) and rolled back not only france but many other nations in terms of social progress and freedoms(literally brought back slavery).
    thus the conclusion is two-fold: marie antoinette, as a queen, needed to go one way or another. but that doesn't mean that the revolution and the libels were good or just in and of themselves.

    • @rinray9685
      @rinray9685 Рік тому +1

      I like monarchy it's so aesthetical

  • @swaggerdagger8976
    @swaggerdagger8976 Рік тому +13

    IMO, she was like those detached influencers who made weird videos about the russo-ukranian war trying to make it about them

  • @sebastianzepeda5269
    @sebastianzepeda5269 Рік тому +1

    Please keep these series alive, it is a breath of fresh air for teachers like me! 😅

  • @patriciamanea2839
    @patriciamanea2839 Рік тому +2

    She also adopted some poor children and provided for them to have happy lives.