I worked at a hotel once where I worked overnights and ended at 7:30 AM and my manager had me come in at 9:00 AM the same morning and leave at 9:00 PM. When I told her I wasn’t doing that she wrote me up. I filed a lawsuit against her and the hotel and got PAID!!! People are so afraid of losing their jobs they just take abuse and it’s BS
My first job was at a pizza place. It closed at 11 PM. My pay ended at 11 PM. I never got out until at least 3 AM every shift. The entire place, stainless steel, had to be spotless before I was excused...and I was NOT paid for those hours. When I was close to finishing, the owner would come in and wipe his hands on the stainless steel and tell me to start over. And laugh at me. I was 18 -- and legal age at the time was 21. My father encouraged me to quit. I had hoped to hold on to the job to help pay my way through college. I finally quit. I went to pick up my last paycheck. He refused to pay me. My father advised him that THAT was illegal. So, my father and I went to the labor relations board. In those days (1968) my case came under the division of women and children. It took three two-week intervals for him to finally cut a check. He threw it on the floor in front of me. I told him that I wasn't too proud to pick up money that I had earned. As it turns out, Karma kicked his arse. The Commonwealth of PA took a dim view of exploiting children. My case was only a small part. There were other employees who had experienced a similar experience. His business was operating without a valid license. Other employees had been unpaid for their last two weeks of work. The apartments above the business weren't up to code. He was shut down and never reopened. I graduated from college and moved on. THAT is why fathers are so necessary to their daughters. They protect and defend their girls. My HS class in civics hadn't prepared me for this sh*t! I miss you, Daddy. This year, he'd have turned 102.
"Emily, you were supposed to be here over 5 hours ago, where have you--why are you here with the police, did you get arrested!?" "Oh no, Karen, they're not here for _me._ ...That's her, officers."
Except that it's not a criminal case that you get arrested for. As Emily said, it's something you get sued for. Not everything that's illegal leads to arrests or jail time.
You show up to work at your regular, 'legal' shift with a member of the Ministry of Labor and you show them the 'scheduled Rotor' and your boss comes to chew you out for not being at work 5 hrs earlier and you leave it their hands to assess fines and inform the management of the labor laws. Hopefully that solves the problem.
@pranmukherjee7689 it is a criminal case. HMRC and DWP may bring the police to prevent Breach of the Peace when they attend , but it's then who will be conducting the PACE interview. it's like Environmental Health and Food Standards will attend and the VAT side of HMRC become very interested....
Long ago there were split shifts. 5am to 11am go home be back at 5 pm to 11 pm. You worked your schedule, were called on your days off, asked to clock out and continue closing so no one hit overtime, AND NO BENEFITS of any kind. 1980’s job for burger place NO LONGER EXISTING due to lawsuits. 😆
@ they are not changing. They’ve never been well enforced and the flood of illegals including minors the last four years has made it even harder to prevent. 16 year old with fake papers working in meat packing plants. Thanks Biden
I once worked at a 24/7 fast food place several years ago. I remember one time I was scheduled to work 4 days straight without any time off. Back then I was young and didn't understand laws such as these and I also needed the money really badly and I was being paid less then $10/hr. I remember working 4 full days and that 4th night I was on shift alone alone and after 4 days of not sleeping I got so exhausted that I passed out in the break room outback and when the morning manager came in at 6am and found me passed out I got yelled at and fired. Then I had to walk home and when I got home my mom was super pissed that I hadn't been home for 4 days and she yelled at me as well and grounded me so I wasn't able to get a new job for a couple of months
How is it you didn’t tell your mother ahead of time. Also, you couldn’t have needed the money that badly if you were a minor since your parents would provide at least the basics.
@ggjr61 I was 18 and saving to move out cuz my mom was emotionally abusive and I hated being at home with her so when my boss offered me over time I accepted, I just didn't think it would be 4+ non stop days and nights without any breaks in between shifts
@@ggjr61my parents would only allow me to work for friends of theirs in their church and they sat silent while this kind of nonsense happened. It took a while for me to realize how abusive the work place was (and illegal) because my home was abusive also. If you haven’t lived in an abusive controlling environment you don’t realize how toxic it is
@@Salicat99 Working hours can be extended beyond 10 hours in an emergency, either once or repeatedly for very limited periods of time. However, it's important to consider what the legislations considers to be an emergency, and let me put it this way: having someone with an open skull lying on the operating table in front of you counts as an emergency, but Karen's botched shift planning or the employer's cost-cutting of staff does not. And of course the surgeon would be entitled to a proper rest period afterwards; not only because of labor law, but also because of occupational safety.
I work as a dishwasher. The first time I started work I got the shifts that I would be working from 8-11:30 am for several days in a row. It takes me 30-40 minutes to get home. I told them no.
First job I had put me on a closing shift, home around 1-2am. Then had to drive an hour for a shift at another site that started at 6am. I often wouldn't sleep between shifts, because I'd be more tired waking up after a couple of hours than just not sleeping. All because I was the only one aside from management who knew how to put numbers into a spreadsheet.
@williamsteveling8321 I know, I work graveyard. I'm fortunate that my current employer offers overtime instead of pulling this crap. But this happened to me a lot in the past. Now I just call it out and it's all good. 🤙
@@williamsteveling8321 Too many times my job put me on a #-10p shift one day followed by a 6a-# shift the day after, I expressed my confusion to the shift manager the first time it happened, she knowing-full-well retorted: "an 8 hour gap is the legal limit", like she's had the complaint before.
In that situation, collect whatever evidence you can preferably in writing, though recording is fine too. Work the shift, show up late the next day and if they try to raise a fuss over it take it up with whatever authority governs labor laws where you are.
At one time, I was under the impression that you could be required to work a double shift (16 hrs.), but had to leave for at least 8 hrs. before returning. If working a 10 or 12 hr. shift, you could not be required to work more than 6 or 4 hrs. over respectively. Nothing over 16 hrs. was legal and 8 hrs. off was mandatory. I thought it varied from state to state.
I remember one former employer wanted you to clock out at the end of your shifts then wants to give company announcements. That was back in the 90 s in my 20 s, thank God i now know better.
My workplace tried to pull this crap on me but they wanted me to work open to close for three days in a row because the other crew couldn't get in because of black ice on the roads while I lived right across the highway.
This only works if you want to do it. I work 7-11 Saturdays and Sundays I asked for those shifts, why? - no rush hour traffic that early in the morning epecially on Saturday and Sunday. - no rush hour traffic going home either. - I save on gas because I don't have to work 4 shifts when I can do the same hours in 2 shifts. - I get the rest of the week off. - I save on parking fees. - There are more breaks for Double shift workers and all breaks are paid. So I work 16 hours, I get paid 16 hours. - We have an employees lounge where if you needed a quick re-boost, there is a darken area of the rooom to crash during your breaks if need be.
In my experience Karen WILL dare you to sue her, and then declare, "show up for work or you're fired," before hanging up dramatically. Some people's reaction to finding out how stupid they are is to violently reject reality and double down harder and harder and harder. Of course, Karen WILL get sued and worse, and her business will fail. It's just that Karen won't ever acknowledge being at fault.
People just don't want to work these days. She thinks she needs sleep. You let them do that, and next thing you know they'll think they should be allowed to use the bathroom and eat.
@@_mortiam If I wanted to spend the time, I could create a fake web page, but I couldn't get it on the government site, unless I also hacked their web server (something I don't know how to do, and don't want to learn, as it would likely land me in prison).
Life hack: Don't even answer the phone in your free time when work calls. If you want me on call, you have to pay me to be on call or GTFO. There's a passage in labor law for that too.
My first job did this to me. I was 17 and the law was 8 hours in between days/shifts. The company asked me to come in at 5:30am to "open" and stay until midnight thirty. To close. Turn around the next day and have me open again at 530. I looked at the person who wrote the schedule and said these words "2 things wrong with my schedule #1- im a minor, im 17. You can not have me work a tripple shift. There needs to be at least (i think it was 4 hours in between shifts at that time) ... hours in between each shift (in a single day) scheduled for me. And #2 its illegal to have ANYONE work a tripple shift and turn around and ask them to open again less than 5 hours later. There must be at least 8 hours in between shifts. Now back to the fact that i am A MINOR. The audacity of some companies. Btw, this was over 20 years ago. But same situation.
What do I owe… the audacity?
“That’s a mood Gabriela!”
I worked at a hotel once where I worked overnights and ended at 7:30 AM and my manager had me come in at 9:00 AM the same morning and leave at 9:00 PM. When I told her I wasn’t doing that she wrote me up. I filed a lawsuit against her and the hotel and got PAID!!! People are so afraid of losing their jobs they just take abuse and it’s BS
My first job was at a pizza place. It closed at 11 PM. My pay ended at 11 PM. I never got out until at least 3 AM every shift. The entire place, stainless steel, had to be spotless before I was excused...and I was NOT paid for those hours. When I was close to finishing, the owner would come in and wipe his hands on the stainless steel and tell me to start over. And laugh at me. I was 18 -- and legal age at the time was 21. My father encouraged me to quit. I had hoped to hold on to the job to help pay my way through college. I finally quit. I went to pick up my last paycheck. He refused to pay me. My father advised him that THAT was illegal. So, my father and I went to the labor relations board. In those days (1968) my case came under the division of women and children. It took three two-week intervals for him to finally cut a check. He threw it on the floor in front of me. I told him that I wasn't too proud to pick up money that I had earned. As it turns out, Karma kicked his arse. The Commonwealth of PA took a dim view of exploiting children. My case was only a small part. There were other employees who had experienced a similar experience. His business was operating without a valid license. Other employees had been unpaid for their last two weeks of work. The apartments above the business weren't up to code. He was shut down and never reopened. I graduated from college and moved on. THAT is why fathers are so necessary to their daughters. They protect and defend their girls. My HS class in civics hadn't prepared me for this sh*t! I miss you, Daddy. This year, he'd have turned 102.
"Emily, you were supposed to be here over 5 hours ago, where have you--why are you here with the police, did you get arrested!?"
"Oh no, Karen, they're not here for _me._ ...That's her, officers."
Except that it's not a criminal case that you get arrested for. As Emily said, it's something you get sued for. Not everything that's illegal leads to arrests or jail time.
You show up to work at your regular, 'legal' shift with a member of the Ministry of Labor and you show them the 'scheduled Rotor' and your boss comes to chew you out for not being at work 5 hrs earlier and you leave it their hands to assess fines and inform the management of the labor laws. Hopefully that solves the problem.
@pranmukherjee7689 it is a criminal case. HMRC and DWP may bring the police to prevent Breach of the Peace when they attend , but it's then who will be conducting the PACE interview. it's like Environmental Health and Food Standards will attend and the VAT side of HMRC become very interested....
Working Time Regulations - The Right to Rest. The employee has the right to 11 hours off between finishing work and starting work
Depends on the country, here it is only eight hours.
@brettmajeske3525 The video is about British employment laws, why would any other country be relevant?
@Ater_Draco Because it is an international platform. The comments are full of discussions from other countries.
Remember when managers made more money because they had to pick up the empty shifts themselves?
Or know what they heck they are doing.
Long ago there were split shifts. 5am to 11am go home be back at 5 pm to 11 pm. You worked your schedule, were called on your days off, asked to clock out and continue closing so no one hit overtime, AND NO BENEFITS of any kind. 1980’s job for burger place NO LONGER EXISTING due to lawsuits. 😆
Actually, changes are due to Union organization and federal labor laws…lawsuits to enforce these laws came next….
This is a good example of unions making sure you are treated right.
I used to officially finish at 10, but more often it was 11pm and then be back at 7am. I was told by management that it was character building
My first job I closed Friday night at 11 pm and had to open Saturday at 230 am. Thank goodness it’s illegal now
@BusArch42
Wouldn't surprise me if those protection laws disappeared in the US. Child Labor laws are slowly going bye-bye.
On the boardwalk in Seaside Heights, working untill 2am and then opening at 11am was a right of passage at 16 years old.
It teaches bosses who'll kiss ass
@ they are not changing. They’ve never been well enforced and the flood of illegals including minors the last four years has made it even harder to prevent. 16 year old with fake papers working in meat packing plants. Thanks Biden
I once worked at a 24/7 fast food place several years ago. I remember one time I was scheduled to work 4 days straight without any time off. Back then I was young and didn't understand laws such as these and I also needed the money really badly and I was being paid less then $10/hr. I remember working 4 full days and that 4th night I was on shift alone alone and after 4 days of not sleeping I got so exhausted that I passed out in the break room outback and when the morning manager came in at 6am and found me passed out I got yelled at and fired. Then I had to walk home and when I got home my mom was super pissed that I hadn't been home for 4 days and she yelled at me as well and grounded me so I wasn't able to get a new job for a couple of months
How is it you didn’t tell your mother ahead of time. Also, you couldn’t have needed the money that badly if you were a minor since your parents would provide at least the basics.
@ggjr61 I was 18 and saving to move out cuz my mom was emotionally abusive and I hated being at home with her so when my boss offered me over time I accepted, I just didn't think it would be 4+ non stop days and nights without any breaks in between shifts
@@alicemarshall0823 Many of us look back at things we did when young that now we go, "OMG!". I hope you eventually found a safe place.
@@ggjr61my parents would only allow me to work for friends of theirs in their church and they sat silent while this kind of nonsense happened. It took a while for me to realize how abusive the work place was (and illegal) because my home was abusive also. If you haven’t lived in an abusive controlling environment you don’t realize how toxic it is
We have that same law in Germany, we also cannot work over 10 hours in one day.
How does that work for surgeons?
@@Salicat99 Working hours can be extended beyond 10 hours in an emergency, either once or repeatedly for very limited periods of time. However, it's important to consider what the legislations considers to be an emergency, and let me put it this way: having someone with an open skull lying on the operating table in front of you counts as an emergency, but Karen's botched shift planning or the employer's cost-cutting of staff does not. And of course the surgeon would be entitled to a proper rest period afterwards; not only because of labor law, but also because of occupational safety.
@marcromain64 That makes sense!
I work as a dishwasher. The first time I started work I got the shifts that I would be working from 8-11:30 am for several days in a row. It takes me 30-40 minutes to get home. I told them no.
This is the slimmest manager. She needs to follow the rules. The manager should be fired
I had a job do this. Wanted me to do 8 hour shift, go home around 3am and come back at 6am and work another 8 hours
That’s insane!!!
Same. Close at 11 pm and open at 230 am
First job I had put me on a closing shift, home around 1-2am. Then had to drive an hour for a shift at another site that started at 6am. I often wouldn't sleep between shifts, because I'd be more tired waking up after a couple of hours than just not sleeping.
All because I was the only one aside from management who knew how to put numbers into a spreadsheet.
There is an acronym for an illegal work shift?!?! That's hilarious. 😂
The shift wasn't illegal, the turnaround time from the previous night was too short
Wish we had a similar concept here in the US...
@williamsteveling8321 I know, I work graveyard. I'm fortunate that my current employer offers overtime instead of pulling this crap. But this happened to me a lot in the past. Now I just call it out and it's all good. 🤙
@@williamsteveling8321We do, most states require eight hours between shifts.
@@williamsteveling8321
Too many times my job put me on a #-10p shift one day followed by a 6a-# shift the day after, I expressed my confusion to the shift manager the first time it happened, she knowing-full-well retorted: "an 8 hour gap is the legal limit", like she's had the complaint before.
In that situation, collect whatever evidence you can preferably in writing, though recording is fine too. Work the shift, show up late the next day and if they try to raise a fuss over it take it up with whatever authority governs labor laws where you are.
At one time, I was under the impression that you could be required to work a double shift (16 hrs.), but had to leave for at least 8 hrs. before returning. If working a 10 or 12 hr. shift, you could not be required to work more than 6 or 4 hrs. over respectively. Nothing over 16 hrs. was legal and 8 hrs. off was mandatory. I thought it varied from state to state.
I remember one former employer wanted you to clock out at the end of your shifts then wants to give company announcements. That was back in the 90 s in my 20 s, thank God i now know better.
it's a min 10 hr difference between shifts here in canada
Continental shift pattern would mean finishing night shift at 6am and being back in for 2pm shift same day. Did it for 24yrs. Absolute killer.
Working Time Regulations, 11 hours
My workplace tried to pull this crap on me but they wanted me to work open to close for three days in a row because the other crew couldn't get in because of black ice on the roads while I lived right across the highway.
This only works if you want to do it. I work 7-11 Saturdays and Sundays I asked for those shifts, why?
- no rush hour traffic that early in the morning epecially on Saturday and Sunday.
- no rush hour traffic going home either.
- I save on gas because I don't have to work 4 shifts when I can do the same hours in 2 shifts.
- I get the rest of the week off.
- I save on parking fees.
- There are more breaks for Double shift workers and all breaks are paid. So I work 16 hours, I get paid 16 hours.
- We have an employees lounge where if you needed a quick re-boost, there is a darken area of the rooom to crash during your breaks if need be.
In my experience Karen WILL dare you to sue her, and then declare, "show up for work or you're fired," before hanging up dramatically. Some people's reaction to finding out how stupid they are is to violently reject reality and double down harder and harder and harder.
Of course, Karen WILL get sued and worse, and her business will fail. It's just that Karen won't ever acknowledge being at fault.
People just don't want to work these days. She thinks she needs sleep. You let them do that, and next thing you know they'll think they should be allowed to use the bathroom and eat.
Before you know it they'll be expecting to get PAID for the work!
You had me in the first half, not gonna lie
Sounds like any salary exempt position in I.T.
is it really that bad in america?
yes. we can be forced to work those hours
No. These videos are hyperbole
Those are English, not American accents. It's referring to a British employment law
Well according to what everyone and everywhere on the internet are saying (unless they all are lying) then yes it is that bad.
These are uk based.
I don't answer my phone on days off also 30min before shift lol
To Karen...GFYS.
Would email the link and put the phone down.
With a comment "This is the official government website. If I could fake that, I wouldn't be working here."
@@_mortiam If I wanted to spend the time, I could create a fake web page, but I couldn't get it on the government site, unless I also hacked their web server (something I don't know how to do, and don't want to learn, as it would likely land me in prison).
Life hack: Don't even answer the phone in your free time when work calls. If you want me on call, you have to pay me to be on call or GTFO.
There's a passage in labor law for that too.
would not go and work that day, illegal rota is not valid
Can’t even be original. Copying Veronica.
My first job did this to me. I was 17 and the law was 8 hours in between days/shifts. The company asked me to come in at 5:30am to "open" and stay until midnight thirty. To close. Turn around the next day and have me open again at 530.
I looked at the person who wrote the schedule and said these words
"2 things wrong with my schedule
#1- im a minor, im 17. You can not have me work a tripple shift. There needs to be at least (i think it was 4 hours in between shifts at that time) ... hours in between each shift (in a single day) scheduled for me.
And
#2 its illegal to have ANYONE work a tripple shift and turn around and ask them to open again less than 5 hours later.
There must be at least 8 hours in between shifts.
Now back to the fact that i am A MINOR.
The audacity of some companies.
Btw, this was over 20 years ago. But same situation.