The best 17" photo printer yet? Epson P5370 announcement. A2 roll paper support, 10 ink - heavy duty
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- Опубліковано 12 жов 2023
- Epson US have announced the P5370 [P5300] 17" heavy duty photo printer. 17" roll paper support and large sheet paper tray. 10 pigment inks in 200ml carts, new print head designed for less frequent use.
Is this the best 17" photo printer yet? It addresses many perceived issues with the Epson P900, in being a much more robust printer with a powered roll feed [and cutter].
For more info see my P5300 announcement article on the Northlight site www.northlight-images.co.uk/e...
I'll be reviewing this printer in due course, but note that is's not available until early next year.
My P5000 and P900 reviews:
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Once again thank you so much Keith for the info!
Glad it's of interest!
In this digital world its great that new printers are still being developed so this is good news all round. In the same way cellphones have resigned entry level cameras to the scrapheap, social media has done similar to printers overall. Barely anybody I know owns even a basic budget printer these days let alone a semi pro one with multiple inks. 😉
True - if you still want to print you probably want to do it well ;-)
As a photographer who actually does want to print photographs, I'm annoyed by this recent trend away from printing and the total disinterest & ambivalence from people about photographic prints.
Although I like to travel with and anymore take more photos on a smartphone than a DSLR while traveling(vacations, not work)I still Very Much want to print those photos. And it's irksome that DPreview has still not bothered to even report on the Epson P5370 announcement. We'll see in the next few days if anything changes with that. I know they've come under new ownership, but you'd THINK that any company that claims to be interested in photo gear would have some interest in printers, whether strictly amateur or pro & commercial level. We shall see.
Yes, I note that it's only been reported on the printer forum.
@KeithCooper That's where I first found it too.
Excellent Keith again!! Love that you care and share so much about printing. I appreciate your wealth of knowledge and all
The work you do in this Corel’s and sharing that with us.
I have had a Canon Pro 100 for 4 years, work it steady every week and it’s held up well. But want to “move up” and this may be it.
Watching and waiting for updates😊
Thanks again
Thanks - one of these will appear here, but no ETA yet
Thanks for your insights. I'm still printing on my 3880, though only matte since the gloss black switching failed/plugged over a year ago. I've been toying with the idea of a P900 but the reported issues with paper feed and build quality have given me pause. I now may have a (non black switching) option if I can hold out until the 5370 release here in Canada
Yes - I've been printing profiling targets and the paper handling [roll and sheet] is rock solid
Thanks for the update, I really enjoy the videos. For my home use - I'm actually very happy with a P900. I only use it once or twice a week, so I'm OK just loading and unloading the media I need, and cutting with scissors if needed. According to the Red River website, it's one of the cheapest printers of it's class for ink usage, and for me the 50ml ink carts last OK. At my work (which needs seasonal textile and graphics proofing) we have a P800 - which has a gamut that falls a bit short of our particular needs. So for that, I guess I'll have to wait for a possible "proofing" update of the P5000 - with violet, green, and orange in the inkset. Like the tasty-looking, but costlier, P7500.
Glad it was of interest.
The P5000 already has a proofing edition [the violet ink option when setting up]
It will likely be a current model for that market segment, for some quite time to come. The P5300 marks a split in the 17" with a photo oriented version, for less regular use.
Thank you for this. I am just a hobbyist who wants to produce some super family-type stuff, and I don't care about how many times or not I am looking into printers. I could (maybe should) go to a good commercial printer, but sometimes it's OK to live a little, LOL. I have a couple of decent Canon cameras and my initial logic was suggesting sticking with Canon by using DPP4 and straight to a Canon Printer. However, being older and maybe wiser (limited in my case) I know to research.. Your videos are very useful for me.
Glad to help!
I've struggled 2 years with the P900 and have now changed to the Canon ipf-1000 pro. What a relief!
Another good printer - I eagerly await seeing how Canon progress their 17" printers
Cool theyre updating this printer! Thanks for sharing keith! What i liked with these smaller printers, p900 and p5000, are the extra sharpness/acuity you get from them being 360dpi vs 300dpi on the p7500. Difference is huge when it comes to art reproductions. You gettonreproduce all the nuqnce of paintings. Really hope with they give higher dot density to the bigger printers.
Extra thing i liked about the p5000 when i had it was it undid the roll curl when it feeds it to the platen/bed, helps avoid head strikes and excess curl after printing. They really went backwards on certain things with the p7500.
Thanks
I'm thinking of this as a different printer rather than just an update to the P5000, since the existing P5000 proofing edition with violet/orange/green will continue.
The paper handling of the P5000 chassis removes most of my issues with the P900 - yes, the P7500 does have additional concerns in some areas, overall I like it though...
Also, the 360/300 is only connected to nozzle pitch. It's nothing at all to do with image resolution, since the drivers handle higher res data just fine.
The slightly coarser nature of some images with the P7500 is due to minimum dot size, not dot density - I have articles looking at this in detail for several printers [in far too much detail for videos ;-) ]
I suspect you're unlikely to see reduced minimum dot size in larger printers for a while since it comes at reduced print speed.
The superfine driver settings also exacerbate bronzing on some media - this will be an interesting area to compare P5000/P5300
@@KeithCooper Ah! Thank you for clearing the nozzle pitch info, i didnt know that. Youre a well a knowledge, keith. I should read more of your articles.
Interesting, i didnt expect that bronzing is heightened with the superfine driver setting esp i mostly use Hahnemuhle’s matte papers, rarely glossy media. Hope Epson loans you this new machine when its available for reviewing.
Thanks - if you want to see how the P5300 will perform, I suspect it will be VERY close to this:
www.northlight-images.co.uk/driver-settings-and-print-detail/
I'm told one will appear, but no ETA
My other main complaint with the P900 is the pizza wheels. My images often have large areas of pure black, and with spot lights used in galleries, they make visible marks on the print. That would be a reason for me to go to a system with vacuum.
The paper feed is vastly better in the P5000, although it is noisy ;-)
Added a P900 to my kit about 2 years ago, working great (very causal printer - I have to work at reminding myself to do a print from time to time to keep it in working order). Recently I've been doing some panorama's so suddenly, a 17" tall panorama would be the bee's knee's so this printer would do the job. But I suspect that for as often as I do them, getting the roller attachment for the P900 would be as good (roll paper would only be loaded from time to time, so gut feeling the paper on the rollers may not be a problem - fingers crossed). It would raise my framing costs though!
My feeling is that the two weakest areas of the p900 are paper handling and the roll unit - both addressed in the P5300 (I hope)
Hi Keith, hoping I may be able to advise me, I am looking to print double sided SRA3 or A3 sheets. Of the A3+ printers you have reviewed would any of them have better feed systems for registering Side A to Side B for instance. TIA for your input. Looking to produce short run trading cards (footy cards) and want to dip my toe in the water rather than buy an Epson Surelab D1060
Double sided can be tricky, but it's not something I test with printers, so I couldn't really differentiate them on their ability for that.
Hi Keith - I am a big fan of your videos and never fail to look at them once they come up. Thank you!
Concerning the additional green and orange colour of the P5000 as compared to the P900 and future P5300: If one would print a landscape print one both of these printers, and then compare the prints - would you notice the difference due to the colours?
I am mostly interested in landscape and nature photography and would accept the hassle of the blank ink swap it the colours are rendered better.
Thanks
The inks might be an issue for some - since I'm expecting the P5300 to be very similar to the P900 in print quality. The relaxed usage requirements for the P5300 are what will make the P5300 a lot more attractive proposition for many.
My suggestion would be to go to a good paper maker, find a paper you like and download profiles for the P5000 and P900, then compare them ;-)
Of course, the P5300 might have some improvements over the P700/900 we don't know about, but a comparison of profiles will give clues.
Now, as to how many images will show any difference, and how many people would ever notice is another matter all together, which I may well touch upon ;-)
@@KeithCooper thanks Keith, that's a helpful suggestion !🙂
How much of a difference does having the green+orange make? Do you have any prints that show the difference - say, between the P5000 and P900 - same photo, same paper?
I do not have any specific prints showing differences between the P900 and P5000
My main reason for liking the 5000 over the 900 is the paper handling and robustness of the 5000
Most people will not notice a significant difference - as to how much there is. That will have to wait until I can directly compare P5000 and P5300
It is something I'll obviously compare to some extent, but I will leave any detailed study with lots of data and tables/graphs to others with more patience ;-)
hI Keith, Whats the best printer to replace my Epson 3880, IM so upset I cant get it repaired and only a small assembly part to fix it . What do you suggest? Are these Epson UltraChrome DS inks cheaper? please help and advise me Keith. Thanks so much
The P900 is the current successor to the 3880
The P5370 [P5300] has only been announced as yet [Epson US jumped the gun on it] so I've not seen one to test yet
I got a bit confused about the number of inks used for the 5300 where you show a pic of the 5 cartridges and then show a pic of the display showing 10 inks.
I must be missing something here!
Yes, there are ink carts [5] on the right hand side of the printer as well - exactly as with the P5000.
I've only the pics from the US announcement at the moment.
@@KeithCooper Thanks Keith!
So for bw would this be better or worse for what it replacing. If I got it right this get rid of some ´swapping of catridges´related to bw / color printing. Sounds comfortable but maybe mean less optimal for the perfect bw?
If you want a preview of what I expect (but don't yet know for sure) read the B&W sections of my P900 and P5000 reviews [not the videos - they are not where the detail goes ;-) ]
Of course it's more than just the printhead and inkset, so it's something I can't say until a P5300 turns up ;-)
Keith, Is the P5370 a smaller version of the Epson SureColor P9570?
No, the P7500/9500 has a 12 ink system
The P5000 is the same as the P7000/9000 [10+1 inks]
The P5300 is based on the P5000 chassis, but the 10 ink system of the P700/900
Think of it as a 'commercial level' P900
BTW, the xx70 designation normally only signifies a US model - some other regions have different endings.
If the P5370 doesn't include any improvements to its printhead clogging issues for infrequent users, as you emphasized, make sure you print often. I had the P5000, didn't print often enough, and had to toss it due to a clogged printhead that I couldn't get unclogged. I learned my lesson. I have a P800, and I make sure I print at least once a week. It would be nice if the P5730 had an OS like the HP Z3100 that periodically does printhead maintenance. I have never had a printhead clog, nor have I had to replace any of its 12 user-replaceable printheads. Even more impressive, its hard drive has been running almost continuously for over a decade.
The printhead of the P5300 is indeed aimed at more intermittent use than the one used in the P5000 and related models.
As to detailed features, there is as yet only the info from Epson US who, it seems launched the printer well ahead of the rest of Epson.
I'll do an update once I have more info and know when a P5300 is turning up for me to review ;-)
'70' also applies to Australia, FWIW
Good to know. I'm never sure of which number apply to where
What a beast! :D
Yes - that is why this is the 'commercial' version of the P900 ;-)
I cannot lift a P5000 on my own
I bought the very first 4000 in the East Coast U.S. many years ago. I'd be interested in the print software. Will there be RIP software available or will we be stuck with a postscript and non postscript driver process? I'm not interested in some canned profile driver based color management.
It's likely to be supported by some rips in due course... ask the RIP makers though.
I'll 'just' be making my own icc profiles for use with the driver, I won't be testing any full RIP (unless a supplier cares to contact me ;-) ).
Supplied profiles and the printer driver do a pretty good job these days, even better when you make the profiles with good kit - things have moved on rather a lot since the 4000 was around...
The majority of potential users for this machine would IMHO spend their money better elsewhere - I might have a look with it with Mirage though, mainly for layout purposes.
@@KeithCooper I moved on to 60" and 100" devices many years ago but have recently semi-retired and need a quality RIP driven 17" device for my own bird photography. I guess it's a shopping we will go.
Then stick with the P5000? - many commercial RIPs available for the proofing market.
The P5300 is not aimed at the market which genuinely needs RIPs any more than the P700/900 are.
I‘m still using my 15 year old Pro 3800, which seems unbreakable… But I‘m thinking about a replacement for some years now, if the 3800 stops working…
The P900 would be a logical choice, but I‘m angry about the smaller cartridges. But I‘m not printing daily or even weekly, so there is no constant high volume, even if I used several liters of ink during the last 15 years…
Do you think the new 5300 is now a better choice if available?
Yes, quite likely - You've likely several months before any appear though
I had a Canon PIXMA Pro 9000 for many years and bought a CISS to counter the high ink costs which almost stopped me using it.
However. the printhead failed as soon as the CISS was installed and even two replacement printheads have failed as well! Sheesh!
So, based on Keith's videos I bought a new Epson ET-8550 (13" wide print max and 70ml ink bottles) and have gone print mad (?) and even done a panorama and had it mounted on foam board locally. I have also had 4 of the 16:9 ration prints framed and they look great. I also wanted to try and sell some of my prints online but am still getting everything prepared for that as it is a big undertaking.
The ONLY problem I have encountered is when using roll paper for 16:9 ratio prints it sometimes malfunctions right at the end of the print if the paper is not absolutely flat. This manifests as a little black marking on the two last corners of the print OR it fails to print the last inch or two of the print by fading out early. Each of these has happened once only but it shows that the paper needs to be very flat to print properly at the end of the paper. Yes, at this point in time it is a bit of a concern but future satisfactory prints might be able to be achieved. Time will tell.
Because of this problem and the wider paper width I have now looked at the P900 with the roll adaptor (SC-P906 in Australia).
In a similar state, been researching a replacement for my 3880 which sat for too long and now tosses black ink. Plus I have the challenge of an unfinished color edition to complete so have I concerns about the variation in ink sets and matching the other prints in the edition. The P900 appears to have paper feed issues just as the 3880 did…..sounds like the 5370 might be the better fit? Even if it’s a wait?
@@cindy.bernard My 3800 tossed also black ink some years ago, but that was a simple repair for a total of 100€. It belongs to a valve for the black ink change and causes some unpredictable big drops of black ink on the paper... If this spare part is still available and you have a service center in reach to bring in your printer by car, that could be a solution...
@@reinhardbecker284wow! I will call epson tomorrow - there used to be a service center in the Los Angeles vicinity.
I‘m not so happy with the P900 print quality. Gloss differential and bronzing are significant. This will be a step backwards…
This will be an issue I investigate...
Yep. I believe epson could not justify developing a true replacement for the p5000. Printing is a complicated business today. Notice that they used blanks instead of reducing the printer size or adding another black (same ink set ). It’s as close as a zero investment printer as possible. It’s sad but at least we have a p900 with proper paper handling. It’s bigger that it should , but it’s here.
And a lot heavier too! @@jaimeduncan6167
So they basically capitulated on the p5000 series. I was expecting to have pro features like the head in the p9570. This will produce inconsistencies in color for people that have a 24" or 44" and a p5000 series, like print houses. The P900 with the roll paper adapter costs $1498 so the price is competitive with themselves. Instead of the blank, they could have added and extra black ink (identical just more capacity) but they did not want to invest even a single dollar. With the depression in printing who can blame them.
No they didn't. The 5300 is essentially a parallel model to the 5000 [which I believe will remain available in the proofing market]
Fitting the P900 head/system into the P5000 chassis - quite doable
Fitting the P9500 head/system into the P5000 chassis - a huge amount of work, essentially becoming a whole new printer.
Or you could develop a whole new extended printhead and support system for the P5000 chassis - huge expense, unless you intend to put it into the P700/900 replacement at some point...
I'm sure several dollars went into the new printer. IMHO it addresses the biggest media related failings of the P900 with a pretty solid chassis.
Of course a 12 channel P5x00 would be interesting, but I can see why this route makes sense at the moment...
For me to upgrade my p5000 the p5370 needs to be much more than the p900 ink set.
If you are a happy P5000 user, this is not the printer you were looking for...
It is in many ways a sideways development of the P5000 perhaps better thought of as the commercial version of the P900
@@KeithCooper Would be nice to see some caparisons I know you demonstrated the p900 but the p5370 may have a trick up it's sleeve.
I will be doing some tests [no ETA for a test printer yet]
However, given the design of the P5300, I'd suggest getting P5000/P900profiles for a paper you like and comparing the profiles.
However, as you say, there may be more to it ;-)
Cheers Keith nice one.@@KeithCooper
Too bad only 10 ink. However I have guessed that the 800 nozzles x 12 channel P20000 print head is too expensive for a 17”, and Epson is not going to make a new 12 color print head just for the P5000 line.
It required a head more attuned to 'enthusiast/pro' levels of use - or more to the point 'periods of lack of use'
The P7500 head would be the 12 colour choice - enough space for 12 ink carts in the chassis, but just not enough for the big print head and capping station.
It too is meant for 'commercial' levels of use...
Over to Canon to see their thoughts for 17" ;-)
This looks like a great upgrade from the P900 which has terrible paper handling. If it really is only about $2000 USD, it's not much more than a P900 with the roll paper adapter. Do you know if this printer (or the P5000) can print small sizes of 4x6 and 5x7? If yes, this could be a jack of all trades!
I'm minded to say forget any small media in this printer [or the P5000] - it is a 17" width large format printer
Min size is 8x10 or A4 with borders. Borderless is with roll only AFAIK
Now, I've not seen the specs, but the P5300 is effectively a P5000 with a different print head and ink system
Got it. Thanks for the information. Much appreciated. @@KeithCooper
@@KeithCoopersorry I am not sure I understand. Are you saying it’s a hassle or are you saying it can’t be done ? (I don’t know and I am interested I. This printer )
The P5300 is based on the chassis of the P5000.
The P5000 will not print small sheets of paper
So, I do not think the P5300 will be significantly different in paper handling
No-one has tested one yet, so I can't be 100% sure but the P5300 is a P5000 with the P900 printhead/inks
Obviously, when I get one to test I'll be able to say for sure, but lets just say I'll be surprised if it can print small sheets@@jaimeduncan6167
Price? Over £3000? Too much for a casual, hobbyist printer like me.
Only US info so far.
You want a pro/commercial printer? ... buy a pro/commercial printer ;-)
USA pricing is $2095 which they say is the same price as the model it's replacing. However in the USA as far as i am aware they are not allowed to sell bellow the RRP unlike the rest of the world.