ND&W Railroad PREX 1601 Creeps Down Bad Track Napoleon Ohio
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
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This is the former Maumee and Western Railway (MAW worlds worst railroad tracks ) now owned and operated by Pioneer Railcorp as the Napoleon Defiance and Western Railroad.
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Flexicoil wheel trucks are actually great on old track like that. You need tons of wheel articulation to keep every wheel on the rails. Nice footage.
Thank you!
Oh this is a fantastic video! I love seeing trains running on beat up tracks like that. If I would have seen those tracks first hand. I would have assumed they were abandoned. Aside from the obvious clean look of the top of the rails showing that trains rolled over them. Great video thanks for uploading this one.
Thanks for watching!
Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment! I'm always uploading new good ones!
and here i am crying about potholes...
Ya this is the rail version of a plank road
Excellent video. I enjoy watching these slow freights running over old lines like this. It's incredible some of them are still functional. My compliments to you.
But, you did capture some serious boxcar art, especially the last car.
Omg that’s the road close to my old childhood house! At least I’m sure I used to see that train all the time from my bedroom #1601 and that is on Jahns Road it has a farm near it and the road twists a little it’s also near the highschool
Maybe take a big prybar with you......while waiting for the train you could straighten the rails.
Thanks for the laugh!
for the 1601, the warning bar didn't come all the way down to block the crossing
Nice video my friend. Quality work. I look forward to other videos from you in the future.
Why there is no repair for this railroad? Any safety rules and regulations which prevent any train to pass through this poorly maintained actually "never maintained" rail track?
Anyhow thanks for uploading this really amazing video.
Interesting video, no matter what. Railroads want to make the money, the track comes second. A railroad worker told me that years ago. Anyway good entertainment, if nothing else.
That was insane, especially the part around 9:30. Is this track a dead end?
Yes the line is abandoned east of Liberty Center. It used to be a through route to Toledo.
Train is moving a lot faster since the track repairs began
All terrain locomotive!!! Looks like someone just rolled out a roll of track through someone's woods years ago. No roadbed or anything.
Scott, does Pioneer also operate in Mississippi? There's a video on youtube of the Mississippi Central by a poster called redekerrailvideo (sp) that shows two locomotives on that line painted nearly identically to this one and numbered as 1604 and 1605. Just curious, thought you might know.
Thanks!
Well it's official, I've seen a train take a dirt road...lol.
Ya some spots its good enough for 7mph or so.
Awesome vids Scott.
O.O That train went over the toughest sections to traverse over.
The rail is over a hundred years old so it's just a little tired
Scott Taipale A little!
There is an old journal box on second axile!
Great video
Ok how is this safe?
From the country that brought you... the space shuttle! Guess there's no need for movable barriers on those crossings. Nobody outside america knew about this sort of shambles before the internet. I can just hear John McEnroe shouting "you cannot be serious!"
Keyboard Dancers >>> EVER seen a road intersection with *only* "STOP" signs and *no* traffic lights? *Same concept....*
Yeah but this is a very rural country so most areas don't have the need for gates.
John McEnroe: "YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS!" Mr. McEnroe even has a book out there, titled as such!
r they still up dating this line, and r they replacing any of the rail.
You know , If the railroad company were given another grant it should come with a stipulation that the money would be used strictly for right of way upgrades ! I wonder if the threat to take the funds back for failure to upgrade would open up the eyes of the railroad company ! Just a thought
How does something like that ever pass inspection? An ounce of prevention is worth a ton of cure if that train flips over.
nice video , thanks
Thanks for watching!
Amazing they don't derail.
A steam locomotive coupled up with a diesel locomotive you don't see that every day!
How in the hell are trains allowed to run on these tracks. Are there not any safety regulations over there? These tracks would be condemned in Australia.
lmao SHUT UP!!!! at his dog.
If the damn thing moved any faster every car in town would be destroyed. But seriously Napoleon Defiance & Western RR should be ashamed of the condition of their tracks. There are funds available to correct this situation. And if they refuse to fix it they should be shut down. Quite frankly I can't believe anyone would clime into the engine. You couldn't pay me enough.
+Tom Day
There are NOT funds available to fix this track. As the railroad makes money and we at the Ohio Rail Development Commission get requests, we try to help them. With $3 million annual budget for the entire State of Ohio, we must make hard choices. This is not the only poor track in Ohio.
+Tom Jon Then you folks should act! The rails in Pompano Beach Florida are 79 mph on the CSX Homestead line. Why doesn't your department man up and take action?
Tom Day I hear that.
do the cross bucks work?
I "LOVE" GEEP'S AND "GEN-SETS
Is it like that most of freight trains in US have only 4-6 rakes? too short.
do the rail road crossing lights actually work ? noticed lot's of cars running the crossing
Yes they work
Scott Taipale Does the state government assistance with any money to help the new railway with fixing this line. U would think keeping jobs and the line in good standing would be important to the state.
+Ginger Rail
Yes, the Ohio Rail Development Commission has given grants to this railroad for improvements. I am one of the Commissioners.
I want the Maintenance job for that rail road. Clock in..... Drive down the road..... And its 😴 time🙂
Lmao
That is so freaking 3rd world. Sad.
yikes Hope there are plans to fix these tracks
Tho I'd not mind riding on them on a hand car
They would save money in wasted time by fixing those trax
Anyone know what the structure is at 6:24 in front of the loco? I have seen it several times when ive been in Napoleon. It looks nothing like a grain silo.
+Eric 12374 I'm not specifically sure of the structures history. It clearly is silos of some sort but the metal structure above isn't like one I've seen elsewhere.
I wonder whats inside those red box cars.
Cans of tomato paste for Campbell's Soup in Napoleon
I wonder where it's going?
Either Napolean,Ohio or Defiance,Ohio.
Another soft spot to fix...
The real story is that graffiti.. How can you focus on the rail when those box cars are bombed
no fed rules on track conditition?
DOH!
That looks like stick rail ! Am I correct ?
Yes, most of it roughly 100 years old
+Scott Taipale Derailment hazard!
+Jay Grant What's "stick rail"?
Who said hey shut up ?
thats a derailment just waiting to happen
9:55 Bad edit! BOOOO!!
scary looking face.uhuhuh
I have seen better track on abandoned railroads . seriously ? its hard to believe no one is working on this track .
Why do people have such a penchant for covering freight cars with graffiti? It looks awful! Whatever happened to the days when freight cars all had a road name on them and advertising slogans for the railroad Like "Ship It On The Frisco," "Route of the Zephyrs," "The Route Of Phoebe Snow," "The Bridge Line to New England," etc. Do the people served by this line ever complain about its condition and why it takes so long to get a car to them? Amazing!
To make things even worse the grafiti all looks thew same!
In today's world if you do invest in a nice paint job on the railcar as it comes out of the plant you know it is money wasted as these assholes are going to cover it up with graffiti before it makes its first round trip.
Too bad we don't have better security in the freight yards, but I guess that's just about impossible. Sadder yet is the caliber of people all over the place who do these things. You never used to see trains covered with graffiti. Thanks for your comment.
g bridgman Just too many miles of track to cover and when you do catch them the fines are miniscual or non-existent. Jails are already full of criminals without having to add "tag artists" to the population. For freight railroads it is almost pointless to stop it.
Boss302fan Thanks for the comment. I didn't know these vandals were called "tag artists." I guess that's just a politically correct term for them. It goes along with the times we live in today.
They brought in another 7 loads of ties recently. Been a month since I filmed them. My ND&W engineer friend passed away this month.
well do a little track maintenance every 100 years or so.
8:03 is just killer.....the lean and the roller coaster rails!
This is NOT a 79 mph line handling huge trains day and night. It IS a branch line and moving four boxcars does not make a million dollars. The police don't have laws about such things, its the FRA and this is probably what they call 'excepted track', speed is 10 mph or less and the track is NOT condemnable. So why don't of you smart arm chair railroaders jump in and fix this all up with your own money and see how far you get. Pioneer is doing more than the previous operator by a long way.
I'd go 79 on it
I can remember when the NW still owned it and it was rough (not like today) even then.
Harold Reardon agreed
@@iceverything.j.r.2564 amen
You know, when you see something like this where a small railroad is willing to do whatever it takes to survive and then you look at the other side of the coin where we have a perfectly good former main line railroad here in Southern Ohio known as the Peavine that NS won`t use, It just makes you mad. The `Vine is still in great shape and gets used once a week and NS wants it shut it down. I bet these folks would kill to have a line in as good a shape as the `Vine, at least they would use it.
I was sure at a few places that the train was going to topple over!
I thought this was a third world country when I started watching this the realised its the richest country in the world ,sad.
I don't know why NS is trying to kill off the line and not turn it over to a shortline. I've seen video of trains on it in the past.
You should have seen the tracks in Coldwater,MI before the Indiana Northeastern RR took over . They are doing a fine job of rebuilding between Hillsdale and Coldwater.
Thanks for posting, Scott. My grand parents used to live by this line in Defiance. They lived on north side of what the railroad trails down into a giant gully before it crosses the river in town. During my visits there in the 60's N&W had already started running stuff on this line and I was mesmerized as a GP9 or two would bring a short train through. My mom of course remembers the Wabash through there. I feel terrible for the track! It makes me wish I could win the lottery or something so I could go make it better! I remember seeing those machines that completely take a track apart, spread the ballast, lay cross ties, bring new rail on, cinch it down and pull the ballast back into place; in short, a complete overhaul. That is what this line needs for sure! All it takes is money, right? LOL! In this case, MUCH more than I will probably ever see. It was good to see some familiar territory, but disappointing to see the tracks in such a state. Run up and down the line and post some more for us when you get the chance. Thanks for the share. John
IF YOU WIN AND START FIXIN' SHIT....CALL ME SECOND PLEASE....THEY'VE TAKEN A LOT'SA OLD MAIN LINE TRACKS UP IN ALABAMA, NEAR B'HAM...THE LINE TO CHATTANOOGA, TO WALKER COUNTY...WENT RIGHT PAST MY GREAT UNCLES HOUSE IN 1964 AT LYNN'S CROSSING, AND WAY OVER TO THE EAST, IN CALHOUN COUNTY THEY TOOK UP THE LINE THROUGH ANGEL STATION IN C 1970...IN 1930S IT WAS LIKE HOOTERVILLE...JUST RIDE AND GET OFF WHERE YOU WANTED TO....I THINK THEY TOOK THE LINES OVER SAND MOUNTAIN IN ALBERTVILLE BUT I'M NOT SURE... IN MARSHAL COUNTY TO THE NW ABOUT 60 MILES.LIBERALS GREED AND IDIOTIC DEPENDENCE ON TECH HAS SCREWED US....WE WILL NOT RETURN TO THOSE DAYS OF PROSPERITY VIA DEMS OR REPS...ONLY JESUS....REPENT AMERICA;.
The conductor followed along in a black ford and flagged the crossings.
I enjoy your video technique. Other railfans should learn from you. Well shot Scott. Hope the Pioneer folks can save it. The odds are tough given the condition of the roadbed beneath the track itself. A friend who worked on the line back in the NS days told me they could go out and pound ballast all day long and the only thing that happened was it came out of the ground in China. When your sub roadbed is that bad ballasting and tamping sometimes only gives you temporary respite.
Read similar about this track being built on swamp land of some kind.
Crazy. Wonder how many times they have derailed. lol
They send one "train" a week out to the end of the line to pick up untreated rail ties. Basically 160 mile round trip with 1-6 cars, many are tankers that are just there to knock the rust off the rails so the crossing lights will work, sort of. There is a new customer on the line at the old Ford plant in Batavia that will need 5 day a week service, and the rumor was that Ohio had to force NS to service it or else the company that bought the place wouldn`t move there with about 250 good jobs.
this is a disgrace. the trains got bigger,longer heavier, much more heavy. and the tracks are 100 years old!? built most probably for something half as long and heavy.
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IF THE RAIL~ROAD COMPANIES ARE
GOING TO CONTINUE USING THESE
OLD CLASSIC RAIL LINES,.... THEN,...
THEY NEED TO GET OUT, AND REPAIR,
AND REPLACE THE DAMAGED LINE SECTIONS,....
BE SAFE,...ALL.")💥📜🇺🇸🌴
Dude, you treat your dog pretty harshly at 3:39. Not cool. Not cool at all.😠
How do they get clearance to operate on tracks in such bad shape?
This line is similar to former Penn Central's, former Pennsylvania Railroad's, Newton Square branch which was hideous in the East Lansdowne / Fernwood area before Conrail abandoned the line.
Seaboard: You need to understand what a rail grinder's function is and it has no place here nor would they waste the money on it. Train Fanatic: If they found other routes to get to the same place they wouldn't need this track, simple. Jay; How do you know where they spent any grant money IF they got any?
Looks like the old Penn Central to me. Down in Fort Wayne, this used to be about the norm back in the day! And hey, great job yelling at your dog to shut up when the train wasn't even within earshot yet! Lighten up there pal...
The line is a truncated remenant of the old Wabash mainline, latterly Indiana Hi Rail and Maumee & Western. That is my understanding and the line appears not to have had a proper maintenence regime for several decades.
I don't know US practice but in the UK we have tamping machines to regulate the alignment of the track, taking care of the wayward geometry.
It all depends on the income of the line: Is there the cash for hiring in the machinery or a gang to work their way down the line and correct the alignment? Depends on if the rails are badly worn too.
Between 8:00 & 8:45 I expected the driver & brakeman to be hanging off the high side of the locomotive like yachtsmen do to balance their craft, or ready to bail out if she tipped over. Looks terrifying.
I really enjoy your videos, Scott. We should meet up sometime!
Yes it is. The only time the cross the highway is to put cars into long term storage.
As top-heavy as the locomotive looks, it doesn't topple over when it leans like that.
Park your car in the middle of the road next time.
I'm surprised that the railroad lets trains go on that track. It looks like it is in really bad shape.
+Scott Taipale >>> How much 'rail twist' can a locomotive handle before it derails?
The progress they have made so far is amazing but still way behind any of their peers.
Little by little, I suppose, would be the only way to make the track better. The balance in the checking/cash account makes all of the difference. Must do the best you can with whatever dollar amount is available. And, do it again at a later time.
They derail all the time and make it to where their going eventually.
I love these backwater spurs, reminds me of times when I was a kid lol.
Nice catch =D
It safe to say that if your car dies on a crossing your most likely fine
How does that thing NOT fall off the tracks? How is that train even allowed to go down that?
Im from Cleveland and want to come down and check out some of these shortlines, how do I know when they are gonna be running? and are there resources to know which lines to check out?
Most shortlines like this have limited hours. The ND&W rarely works weekends. Same with RJ Corman. Busier lines like the CF&E, Indiana and Ohio, W&LE, the Ohio Central... have 7 day a week operations. There are plenty of Railfan groups out there on Facebook
why is the track not well maintained?
There bankrupt so they can’t afford to fix it
1:57-2:38: WHAT THE HECK IS THAT SOUND?!!!! Sounds like the whole train is tearing apart
Laura Hill bad wheels / track
We had 1609 on the late Rochelle Railroad. Of course the prime mover smoked like ateamer, worn like a bitch
Anybody know if this GP-10 got shopped or scrapped?
Reassigned to a line in Indiana
Why did you cut @ 9:54. Wanted to see it go over that rollercoaster track !
Hell, I'd leave the camera too if a train was rolling at me on that track!
7:59, now that is just ridiculous! That is also one brave driver.
I think the new Pioneer is making a good faith effort. The old company were kinda cheap bastards, secretive, and didn't play well with others ain't lying!
They’re doing much needed repairs
Usually in model railroading you can do things that cannot be done on real life railroads. This time, the real life railroad has track so bad you CAN'T model it and have a train stay on the tracks! I just messed around with some extra rail and ties I had and I couldn't keep a train on the tracks when I tried to emulate the ND&W's track!
I did also notice at crossin even thou the train was comin cars were crossin right in front sad to me supose it had better tracks before...and was able to move people are supose to stop when Train comes i thought..i hope you understood that statement thank you!
Wow , and I taught Poland had some bad rural side tracks !
I live about a mile from this place and it is every bit as bad as it looks