Thanks so much for this video!!! Just a quick little note; in musescore, i always make the boxes in the last parts of engraving the score since it can be very finicky. And especially when still writing down the notes, things can jump around a lot. (This is my experience when putting together lines to make a box but the same thing happens when you import pictures) This does seem like a much much easier way to do it though so thanks for the great idea!!!
Yeah, it sucks and it’s driving a lot of people including me from using advanced or extended notation in the first place. Terrible stuff when your software limits your creative liberties.
@@JwellsuhhuhI guess its just important to remember to be innovative, continuing to find better ways to do things, inventing new ways etc. Especially when we have the limitations of a notation software weighing down on us
I think an "easier" option for Musescore is a variation on the Dorico method Saad used - insert a text box (eg Stave Text), and in the properties panel there's a drop down arrow labelled 'Show more'. If you click this, you can insert a frame with a few editing options, like line thickness, padding (which adds vertical and horizontal space around the text), and even 'corner radius' if you enjoy the aesthetics of rounded rectangles as much as Steve Jobs did. The only tricky thing is that you can't resize the text box, so you need to type some text in it to make the box bigger. And obviously you don't want to have text in the box. It doesn't resize for space or tab characters either! So you need to go to the Format menu, open the giant scary Style panel, and scroll all the way down to "Text styles", and then edit one of the styles so that the text colour is transparent (EDIT: I'm an idiot and originally wrote 'opaque' here). I suggest renaming one of the 'User-1' style to 'Blank' or something. Then you can choose that style for the text in the Properties panel for the text box. (You only need to do this bit once.) The benefit of this approach over Saad's is that the box is then attached to the bar rather than the top frame of the page, so (a) it won't move around when you change literally anything about the score, and (b) you don't need to re-implement the boxes in each of the parts. While Saad's approach is inventive I think it's too unworkable unless you are absolutely sure you won't be making any more changes to your actualfinalfinalfinalscorev22.mus document. Anyway, I really hope someone implements a more user-friendly way of doing this in a future release of musescore!
In Dorico you can create a custom line for the box, which attaches itself to a rhythmic grid (meaning it behaves the same in both score and parts). I recently saw a great video on how to do it by Phillip Arthur Simmons.
ahh text frames is such a good idea for boxes in dorico! my old method of making two line with hooks is super finicky because as soon as you change any of the formatting, the lines become misaligned. thanks for the vid! \^^/
I actually prefer making the box in Dorico with two lines with hooks because it shows up in the parts when entering it into the scorew. Using the method described here, the text box has to be added separately to each part and the score. I find fixing the collision or adjusting the length of the hooks usually solves any misalignment lines with hooks. In the end, I do appreciate that there are multiple ways to achieve aleatroic boxes in Dorico
@@AuralComposting absolutely, tho at the end of the day I hope @dorico adopts the method that Sibelius did with boxes. I found that by far the most intuitive way.
Great video! A flexible approach I found for the aleatoric boxes in Dorico is through adding extra two line types - one for the top half (with start + end hooks) and the second for the bottom half. The advantage is that it automatically adjusts if you change the contents of the box, plus you can adjust the size in Write mode with Shift+Alt+Left/Right arrows the same way you would adjust the lengths of notes. Then you can make fine adjustments later in Engraving mode if needed. The disadvantage, however, is that it tends to automatically place text inside the box, rather than above.
Hello Saad. Thank you for the valuable information. I'm going to listen to Aysheen right now. I would like to ask you something not necessarily from your preferences but from what you know. A composer writes his music in software or writes everything by hand and purchases a transcription service to digitize the manuscript. What factors should be taken into account to take either of these two options?
So is there no hope for Finale users who want to make lines and boxes??? I must admit I only have one piece with aleatory lines...and it only exist in hard copy
I break down how I notate aleatoric boxes and the thick lines that follow them in Sibelius, Dorico, and Musescore.
As a Sibelius user who's starting to use more aleatoric writing in his compositions, this was beautifully straight-forward and useful. Thank you!
You’re welcome 🙏🏽
Thanks so much for this video!!! Just a quick little note; in musescore, i always make the boxes in the last parts of engraving the score since it can be very finicky. And especially when still writing down the notes, things can jump around a lot. (This is my experience when putting together lines to make a box but the same thing happens when you import pictures) This does seem like a much much easier way to do it though so thanks for the great idea!!!
Yeah, it sucks and it’s driving a lot of people including me from using advanced or extended notation in the first place. Terrible stuff when your software limits your creative liberties.
@@JwellsuhhuhI guess its just important to remember to be innovative, continuing to find better ways to do things, inventing new ways etc. Especially when we have the limitations of a notation software weighing down on us
Can’t agree more but I’m sure there will be a better workaround eventually if enough want it!
I think an "easier" option for Musescore is a variation on the Dorico method Saad used - insert a text box (eg Stave Text), and in the properties panel there's a drop down arrow labelled 'Show more'. If you click this, you can insert a frame with a few editing options, like line thickness, padding (which adds vertical and horizontal space around the text), and even 'corner radius' if you enjoy the aesthetics of rounded rectangles as much as Steve Jobs did.
The only tricky thing is that you can't resize the text box, so you need to type some text in it to make the box bigger. And obviously you don't want to have text in the box. It doesn't resize for space or tab characters either! So you need to go to the Format menu, open the giant scary Style panel, and scroll all the way down to "Text styles", and then edit one of the styles so that the text colour is transparent (EDIT: I'm an idiot and originally wrote 'opaque' here). I suggest renaming one of the 'User-1' style to 'Blank' or something. Then you can choose that style for the text in the Properties panel for the text box. (You only need to do this bit once.)
The benefit of this approach over Saad's is that the box is then attached to the bar rather than the top frame of the page, so (a) it won't move around when you change literally anything about the score, and (b) you don't need to re-implement the boxes in each of the parts. While Saad's approach is inventive I think it's too unworkable unless you are absolutely sure you won't be making any more changes to your actualfinalfinalfinalscorev22.mus document.
Anyway, I really hope someone implements a more user-friendly way of doing this in a future release of musescore!
An example of how it looks on screen: drive.google.com/file/d/1mDizZA0OzW0LJN8bQH8Dh-pj58CGhJlI/view?usp=share_link
In Dorico you can create a custom line for the box, which attaches itself to a rhythmic grid (meaning it behaves the same in both score and parts). I recently saw a great video on how to do it by Phillip Arthur Simmons.
This was really useful!
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ahh text frames is such a good idea for boxes in dorico! my old method of making two line with hooks is super finicky because as soon as you change any of the formatting, the lines become misaligned. thanks for the vid! \^^/
Totally!
I actually prefer making the box in Dorico with two lines with hooks because it shows up in the parts when entering it into the scorew. Using the method described here, the text box has to be added separately to each part and the score. I find fixing the collision or adjusting the length of the hooks usually solves any misalignment lines with hooks. In the end, I do appreciate that there are multiple ways to achieve aleatroic boxes in Dorico
@@AuralComposting absolutely, tho at the end of the day I hope @dorico adopts the method that Sibelius did with boxes. I found that by far the most intuitive way.
Thank you so much, this came at the perfect time!
You're so welcome!
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Guest illustrator video coming ?!
@@saadhaddadmusic you wish
Good,thank you mastero haddad❤
Always welcome
Great video! A flexible approach I found for the aleatoric boxes in Dorico is through adding extra two line types - one for the top half (with start + end hooks) and the second for the bottom half. The advantage is that it automatically adjusts if you change the contents of the box, plus you can adjust the size in Write mode with Shift+Alt+Left/Right arrows the same way you would adjust the lengths of notes. Then you can make fine adjustments later in Engraving mode if needed. The disadvantage, however, is that it tends to automatically place text inside the box, rather than above.
Awesome! I Didn’t know!
good video!!!
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Hello Saad. Thank you for the valuable information. I'm going to listen to Aysheen right now. I would like to ask you something not necessarily from your preferences but from what you know. A composer writes his music in software or writes everything by hand and purchases a transcription service to digitize the manuscript. What factors should be taken into account to take either of these two options?
I haven’t done the latter, maybe others have?
Clicked instantly as i saw the title
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Here is a better workflow on how to create reusable Aleatoric Boxes in Dorico 5: ua-cam.com/video/bGtwMG-tybM/v-deo.htmlsi=DP6grXsSCvx3sx5G
So is there no hope for Finale users who want to make lines and boxes??? I must admit I only have one piece with aleatory lines...and it only exist in hard copy
Probably is but I didn’t have that software 😅
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