Great to see the clarity of the coolant, though more importantly, the video highlights the dangers of industrial dermatitis and other physical problems that can arise using harmful chemicals. Awesome to see the difference the Synergy has made for not only filming purposes, but employees health. Winning all around, great work Titan!
Trying this coolant on a custom machine I am building for a customer in Anaheim. Love it, working great both with aluminum and glass so far. Thanks Titan.
We get a lot of hydraulic fluid in the coolant. The skimmer usually fills a bucket every couple days. Old machines had a lot more hydraulic than pneumatic even for things like opening the doors.
Blaser Synergy 735 Update....... Talked with the Blaser rep yesterday. They have reformulated the 735 to handle the issue with the coolant. They say the new formula will take care of the problems. He told me the new version of the coolant will be out in June. However they continue to sell the current version knowing they have a issue????????? I will be getting rid of the Synergy 735 and going back to Castrol Hysol MB 50.
This coolant looks amazing! I’d love to know what kind of filtration and oil skimming you run. I run 100% cast iron, two shifts per day and I’m shoveling 20 gallons of sludge out of my sumps every 6 months and throwing the coolant away even with blaser and coolant filters.
@@shirothehero0609 have you tried actually contacting a blaser rep? You're not going to find it on Google. Theyre not going to tell you that you can't have it...
@@WCGwkf so this was a comment from a year ago, but I will tell you that yes, I contacted a blazer rep and they weren't too interested in selling it to me since I didn't want a bulk order or didn't want to setup a large recurring order. There are ZERO distributors around me and Blazer also wasn't interested in connecting me with one. I went back and forth via email for a few weeks with a guy and then played some phone tag. A few emails and voicemails later I decided it wasn't worth my time for a few gallons of coolant that would largely work the same as the current stuff I'm using.
How in the world to you buy it? I have been several pages into Google an can not find any place to purchase it in a quantity smaller than a 55 gallon drum.
I am saying that it is the same batch, meaning I have never emptied the coolant tank... but have added water for evaporation and coolant to keep my % levels dialed. So it’s definitely had a life... but that’s all I do and as time goes by, it just gets clearer and never smells or has problems.
@@TITANSofCNC Thanks. Have you used it with PC, Ultem, or any other notch sensitive plastics? Did it cause any problems? I'm keen to try this, so I'll be on to the UK agent on Monday.
So this is great in a new machine that is clean. I purchased an old Integrex that was so filthy it took a week to clean the coolant system and still 6 months later I am cleaning it again. How to keep it that clean for 20 months? I also now have 2000 litres of coolant to dispose of.
Guys I have noticed something odd with this coolant. I have a new Haas TL-1 Lathe. I have had the Synergy 735 running in it for 2 months. It has been in the machine since it was new Running it at 8% concentration. The coolant is leaving a very sticky residue behind on all painted cast iron surfaces in the machine. None of the painted sheet metal surfaces are affected. Other than that this coolant is fantastic. Just a little worried on what it could be doing to the paint on the cast iron.
So as I mention in most videos, Cast Iron does cause slight issues... but they have a version 2, that fixes the problem I believe. So just ask Blaser for the new version. Also, run at 5% on your refractometer. Which then is calculated times 1.4 to hit 7. Which is a solid number for soft metals and steel.
Synergy 735 update (2019-08-27). Spoke to large coolant distributor in New England. He stated that they have been receiving and selling only v2 for quite a while now. He said the reformulation (v2) was developed to address the problem of gelling reported by some users of the original formulation. So it sound like as of the end of Summer 2019, busy distributors will only be shipping v2. Their customers who have tried 735 really like it, including schools that are happy with the product even though their machines may sit idle for weeks at a time (ie Summer). So good news on the stability front. Cost is less than $250 for 5 gal of concentrate.
Are you experiencing any tap breakage using 735? I switched 68 machines over and guys are complaining about taps breaking and the strong smell. I have 2 guys complaining about bronchitis. We are breaking taps on 6061 which we never experienced with other coolants, 304 we switched to using oils as the taps are breaking constantly on parts we've ran for years,
I actually love the smell... but it does take a little time to settle down. I have 17 machines using it. My VF6 has had it for 24+ months and no smell anymore...or at least I can’t smell it. They had a version that stained certain part like brass so I think they lowered some lubricity in version 2 which solved the problem... but my affect tapping. Hmm I run super alloys and always thread Mill so I haven’t noticed. When I do tap, it’s fine... but I run it at 10-12% I always suggest trying it in one machine first. Then switching to all. Huge companies are using it now like Lockheed, Boeing and McDonald Douglas. No issues.
@@TITANSofCNC I think I just have a bunch of cry babies. I ran a test on our Robotic 5 axis and a couple stand alone 5 axis mills and had no issues prior to switching over. Thanks for the feedback!
After a 100-hole test on this coolant using different mix% and speeds/feeds, this coolant is no good for cut-tapping small holes in 6061. Roll taps and thread milling seems ok. The smaller in size you go the worse it gets. At 6% refractometer material stuck to M3x.5 after only 6 holes killing the rest of the holes/parts on a well established job. The tap pushed so much the minor dia. for an M3x.5 went from .099 to .095 just from using this coolant. This shrinking minor dia. 'feature' was noticed on all cut taps in every machine that switched over to it. Ran it at 11% on refractometer (wicked high with the 1.6 multiplier) with an additive Swisslube gave us and it didn't change. The only thing that helped the sticking/tearing/pushing/wrecking was slowing down tapping to 1/3 of the previous speed/feed to get through the job and it still would start sticking to the tap after a short time compared to almost NEVER before. Ran a cast aluminum job with slowed down everything and was worse. M4x.7 tap started failing after about 40 holes where I used to easily get 500. I then ran a 100 hole test using one of the junk parts to get hard data on this coolants performance with cut taps.
hey titan. at work we have the issue in some of our older machines which leak a bit of oil into the coolant causing the coolant to become milkier end yellow. how can i prevent this from happening? or do i just have to refresh the coolant?
It's not good for aluminum either, you cannot get good cut-tap holes with this stuff, especially small ones. Broke taps right away with it on jobs that ran years without problems .Cut taps push material so bad you have to change drill sizes to have a good minor-diameter after tapping.
@@TITANSofCNC Thanks for answering, one last question, does it start to smell bad if unused for long periods of time, like regular coolant? my company does steel injection molds, and generaly in this trade here in my city, coolant is only used to drill, but im starting to do ball endmill finishings with coolant instead air its like day and night the quallity inprovement :)
What about paint peeling off the machine???? Seams to be the 1 thing that is a major issue. I'm getting my 1st machine up and running and wanted to go with 735 but hearing several horror stories of the coolant stripping paint off the machine. Does anyone have this issue?
It turned the perfectly good paint of a 14 year old machine into a wet silly-putty like substance that will not dry or wipe off. Chips stick to it like glue so I had to scrape it off with a razor.
I just looked at a machine that had been running this for a few years and it absolutely destroyed it. It's so unfortunate because the guy took really good care of his machine too.
@@TITANSofCNC No doubt. It looks much cleaner than that milky junk. One question, do you have any experience with it in a machine that you can walk around inside? The machine I run currently is a fairly large horizontal machine center that has a walkway deck around the B axis pallet. Just curious how slippery the stuff is on diamond plate deck material when walking on it. The Hangsterfers turns to an oil slick quite quickly.
Also important to keep that coolant churning and working a little bit to keep that gym sock smell out of it. We use Cimstar, and like it a lot. But we keep fish tank bubblers in the machines that don’t run as much, and it helps a lot with stank... if it wasn’t such a pain to get things pushed through chemical review at our facility I’d give this stuff a shot though.
TITANS of CNC: Academy Wow. Do you know how they get a biocide in there strong enough to last that long that doesn’t hurt your skin? That’s pretty impressive. Obviously, from the video, it doesn’t smell funky, but what would you say it’s normal smell is like? The Cimstar is almost a sweet smell. Yet very faint.
dylan hughes you’re right. I just looked online, and it is full synthetic. We are pretty strongly opposed to any full synthetics as a rule because of their historical reputation for hurting bearing surfaces and seals. But maybe things are changing.
In general, bacteria can easily attack synthetics like MO based coolants, this one would have a sophisticated formula, and the coolant must have been given proper care and maintenance. I was in a shop with this coolant and the smell was really bad. Probably the maintenance was not up to the mark.
We had the same problem. . Bad city water, cheap coolant. Add the two up and the machine, tooling and parts all rust. Now we run DI water and much better coolant.
@@gman5986 Deionized (DI) water is water that has been treated to remove all ions - typically, that means all of the dissolved mineral salts. Distilled water has been boiled so that it evaporates and then re-condensed, leaving most impurities behind. It's basically highly filtered water. They have the same system at many coffee chains like caribou, to purify the water. Our system had a little light on it, when the "contaminates" in the water go above 10 ppm (parts per million) the light comes on indicating to call the water guy to change out the tanks
We cleaned our coolant tanks out the other week and along with having brown coolant 🤢 there was also a sludge on the bottom of the tank....and a dead pigeon 🤮🤮🤮
Blaser was having problems with coolant at a customer one time and they did tests... and traced it back to Urine. Found that the night shift operator a going to the bathroom in the tank instead of walking to the restroom... 🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢 YUK...
@@TITANSofCNC Hopefully the guy pissing in the coolant got let go. I've gone brezerk at people throwing their chew in the coolant. That's just wrong. You cant teach some people to care
What in the hell would even make you think that?!?! I'd never think to myself "oh, here's a great place to pee". Who the hell are these people? How does that even cross someones mind?!
Lol, why use 2 vices on what looks like a 7-8" part and not even clamping on the center of the vise??? And with aluminum? Y'all don't have an 8" vise? Didn't you literally just mill slots through a brand new vise?
Great to see the clarity of the coolant, though more importantly, the video highlights the dangers of industrial dermatitis and other physical problems that can arise using harmful chemicals. Awesome to see the difference the Synergy has made for not only filming purposes, but employees health. Winning all around, great work Titan!
Happy to hear that Stuart is doing tutorials for us. Love the diversity in the videos learning from all these guys is amazing
Trying this coolant on a custom machine I am building for a customer in Anaheim. Love it, working great both with aluminum and glass so far. Thanks Titan.
Our coolant in the shop is covered in a thick lair of oil. I'm jealous. I feel if I get coolant on me I might get aids from it.
Yuk...
We get a lot of hydraulic fluid in the coolant. The skimmer usually fills a bucket every couple days. Old machines had a lot more hydraulic than pneumatic even for things like opening the doors.
Blaser Synergy 735 Update....... Talked with the Blaser rep yesterday. They have reformulated the 735 to handle the issue with the coolant.
They say the new formula will take care of the problems. He told me the new version of the coolant will be out in June. However they continue to sell the current version knowing they have a issue?????????
I will be getting rid of the Synergy 735 and going back to Castrol Hysol MB 50.
This coolant looks amazing! I’d love to know what kind of filtration and oil skimming you run. I run 100% cast iron, two shifts per day and I’m shoveling 20 gallons of sludge out of my sumps every 6 months and throwing the coolant away even with blaser and coolant filters.
Gonna have to look into this coolant, looks really good!😀 Nothing worst than nasty, stinky milk!😂
One of the big challenges for small shops is finding a place to get this stuff.
Local Blaser Distributors...You can get as small as a 5 gallon
Easy around here. Toronto lube carrys it. About an hr away
Yeah, I can't find it to save my life.
@@shirothehero0609 have you tried actually contacting a blaser rep? You're not going to find it on Google. Theyre not going to tell you that you can't have it...
@@WCGwkf so this was a comment from a year ago, but I will tell you that yes, I contacted a blazer rep and they weren't too interested in selling it to me since I didn't want a bulk order or didn't want to setup a large recurring order. There are ZERO distributors around me and Blazer also wasn't interested in connecting me with one. I went back and forth via email for a few weeks with a guy and then played some phone tag. A few emails and voicemails later I decided it wasn't worth my time for a few gallons of coolant that would largely work the same as the current stuff I'm using.
Just curious, do you use an oil skimmer?
I was hoping for a reply from Titan!
How in the world to you buy it? I have been several pages into Google an can not find any place to purchase it in a quantity smaller than a 55 gallon drum.
Yeah, I'm having the same issue being a home garage shop. Maybe we get a barrel and split it. Lol
I'm curious. Are you saying you've not had to refill the machine coolant in 20 months? No loss with parts, swarf or evaporation?
I am saying that it is the same batch, meaning I have never emptied the coolant tank... but have added water for evaporation and coolant to keep my % levels dialed.
So it’s definitely had a life... but that’s all I do and as time goes by, it just gets clearer and never smells or has problems.
@@TITANSofCNC Thanks.
Have you used it with PC, Ultem, or any other notch sensitive plastics? Did it cause any problems?
I'm keen to try this, so I'll be on to the UK agent on Monday.
So this is great in a new machine that is clean. I purchased an old Integrex that was so filthy it took a week to clean the coolant system and still 6 months later I am cleaning it again. How to keep it that clean for 20 months? I also now have 2000 litres of coolant to dispose of.
What is the best way to wash the protective glass from the old coolant? When processing aluminum, a white plaque remains.
Guys I have noticed something odd with this coolant. I have a new Haas TL-1 Lathe. I have had the Synergy 735 running in it for 2 months.
It has been in the machine since it was new Running it at 8% concentration. The coolant is leaving a very sticky
residue behind on all painted cast iron surfaces in the machine. None of the painted sheet metal surfaces are
affected. Other than that this coolant is fantastic. Just a little worried on what it could be doing to the paint on the cast iron.
So as I mention in most videos, Cast Iron does cause slight issues... but they have a version 2, that fixes the problem I believe. So just ask Blaser for the new version. Also, run at 5% on your refractometer. Which then is calculated times 1.4 to hit 7. Which is a solid number for soft metals and steel.
@@TITANSofCNC Thanks. Gonna see what version of the coolant I have. Didn't realize there was a second version.
Synergy 735 update (2019-08-27). Spoke to large coolant distributor in New England. He stated that they have been receiving and selling only v2 for quite a while now. He said the reformulation (v2) was developed to address the problem of gelling reported by some users of the original formulation. So it sound like as of the end of Summer 2019, busy distributors will only be shipping v2. Their customers who have tried 735 really like it, including schools that are happy with the product even though their machines may sit idle for weeks at a time (ie Summer). So good news on the stability front. Cost is less than $250 for 5 gal of concentrate.
Thanks for sharing
Here comes the "Magic Question"........???? Are you ready??? How much does it cost?
250 for 5 gallons from my rep.
I am using water and it take rust after some times of machining
What coolant or what thing I have to add in water to avoid rust
Are you experiencing any tap breakage using 735? I switched 68 machines over and guys are complaining about taps breaking and the strong smell. I have 2 guys complaining about bronchitis. We are breaking taps on 6061 which we never experienced with other coolants, 304 we switched to using oils as the taps are breaking constantly on parts we've ran for years,
I actually love the smell... but it does take a little time to settle down.
I have 17 machines using it.
My VF6 has had it for 24+ months and no smell anymore...or at least I can’t smell it.
They had a version that stained certain part like brass so I think they lowered some lubricity in version 2 which solved the problem... but my affect tapping. Hmm
I run super alloys and always thread Mill so I haven’t noticed. When I do tap, it’s fine... but I run it at 10-12%
I always suggest trying it in one machine first. Then switching to all.
Huge companies are using it now like Lockheed, Boeing and McDonald Douglas. No issues.
@@TITANSofCNC I think I just have a bunch of cry babies. I ran a test on our Robotic 5 axis and a couple stand alone 5 axis mills and had no issues prior to switching over. Thanks for the feedback!
After a 100-hole test on this coolant using different mix% and speeds/feeds, this coolant is no good for cut-tapping small holes in 6061. Roll taps and thread milling seems ok. The smaller in size you go the worse it gets. At 6% refractometer material stuck to M3x.5 after only 6 holes killing the rest of the holes/parts on a well established job. The tap pushed so much the minor dia. for an M3x.5 went from .099 to .095 just from using this coolant. This shrinking minor dia. 'feature' was noticed on all cut taps in every machine that switched over to it. Ran it at 11% on refractometer (wicked high with the 1.6 multiplier) with an additive Swisslube gave us and it didn't change. The only thing that helped the sticking/tearing/pushing/wrecking was slowing down tapping to 1/3 of the previous speed/feed to get through the job and it still would start sticking to the tap after a short time compared to almost NEVER before. Ran a cast aluminum job with slowed down everything and was worse. M4x.7 tap started failing after about 40 holes where I used to easily get 500. I then ran a 100 hole test using one of the junk parts to get hard data on this coolants performance with cut taps.
hey titan. at work we have the issue in some of our older machines which leak a bit of oil into the coolant causing the coolant to become milkier end yellow. how can i prevent this from happening? or do i just have to refresh the coolant?
Shame we ca f get it at a decent price in NZ!
How is the smell compared to other coolants? I noticed on another video you used qualichem. How does the odor "sticky oil feel" compare to that?
I moved from QualiChem and trust me... 735 is in a league of its own. Very little smell and clear as water
Sweet. I'm excited to try this in my tiny shop. Very nice to be able to see parts more easily too.
Synergy 735 is not for stainless or those abrasive material right?
The blaser guy told me this is for Aluminim basically....
It's not good for aluminum either, you cannot get good cut-tap holes with this stuff, especially small ones. Broke taps right away with it on jobs that ran years without problems .Cut taps push material so bad you have to change drill sizes to have a good minor-diameter after tapping.
Nice coolant i ever seen...
Hi titan.
Is it sold in small quantity
About 60liters for High quality hobby purpose
Yes, 5 Gallons
Interesting titan, do you recomend this coolant to steel machining? like 4140 and low carbon steel. and copper? whats your recomendation
Great for all... I even machine Inconel etc. great tool life
@@TITANSofCNC Thanks for answering, one last question, does it start to smell bad if unused for long periods of time, like regular coolant? my company does steel injection molds, and generaly in this trade here in my city, coolant is only used to drill, but im starting to do ball endmill finishings with coolant instead air its like day and night the quallity inprovement :)
No
There is No Bacteria
@@68648 hello brother 😍I want long tool life in my machine (Turning center)
Which insert grade suitable for SAE 4140 maching
2:34 The views of Titan do not represent the views of Titans of CNC. 🤣
BOOM!
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What about paint peeling off the machine???? Seams to be the 1 thing that is a major issue. I'm getting my 1st machine up and running and wanted to go with 735 but hearing several horror stories of the coolant stripping paint off the machine. Does anyone have this issue?
It turned the perfectly good paint of a 14 year old machine into a wet silly-putty like substance that will not dry or wipe off. Chips stick to it like glue so I had to scrape it off with a razor.
I just looked at a machine that had been running this for a few years and it absolutely destroyed it. It's so unfortunate because the guy took really good care of his machine too.
Our shop uses Hangsterfers. It's terrible stuff and it's tough to convince them otherwise!
This is a whole different world and once you try it... you will never go back. Milk Sucks
@@TITANSofCNC No doubt. It looks much cleaner than that milky junk. One question, do you have any experience with it in a machine that you can walk around inside? The machine I run currently is a fairly large horizontal machine center that has a walkway deck around the B axis pallet. Just curious how slippery the stuff is on diamond plate deck material when walking on it. The Hangsterfers turns to an oil slick quite quickly.
Also important to keep that coolant churning and working a little bit to keep that gym sock smell out of it. We use Cimstar, and like it a lot. But we keep fish tank bubblers in the machines that don’t run as much, and it helps a lot with stank... if it wasn’t such a pain to get things pushed through chemical review at our facility I’d give this stuff a shot though.
Actually, not with this one... it’s super easy as there is no bacteria
TITANS of CNC: Academy Wow. Do you know how they get a biocide in there strong enough to last that long that doesn’t hurt your skin? That’s pretty impressive. Obviously, from the video, it doesn’t smell funky, but what would you say it’s normal smell is like? The Cimstar is almost a sweet smell. Yet very faint.
dylan hughes you’re right. I just looked online, and it is full synthetic. We are pretty strongly opposed to any full synthetics as a rule because of their historical reputation for hurting bearing surfaces and seals. But maybe things are changing.
In general, bacteria can easily attack synthetics like MO based coolants, this one would have a sophisticated formula, and the coolant must have been given proper care and maintenance. I was in a shop with this coolant and the smell was really bad. Probably the maintenance was not up to the mark.
how much for a barrel in switzerland
My cnc machine stinks up the entire area at work only after two months...management will never get us the good stuff
We had the same problem. . Bad city water, cheap coolant. Add the two up and the machine, tooling and parts all rust. Now we run DI water and much better coolant.
@@FredFlintstone21 Whats DI water?
@@gman5986 Deionized (DI) water is water that has been treated to remove all ions - typically, that means all of the dissolved mineral salts. Distilled water has been boiled so that it evaporates and then re-condensed, leaving most impurities behind. It's basically highly filtered water. They have the same system at many coffee chains like caribou, to purify the water. Our system had a little light on it, when the "contaminates" in the water go above 10 ppm (parts per million) the light comes on indicating to call the water guy to change out the tanks
could someone post the link to the SDS or MSDS sheet please. I emailed the company and no ever got back to me. Thanks All
We cleaned our coolant tanks out the other week and along with having brown coolant 🤢 there was also a sludge on the bottom of the tank....and a dead pigeon 🤮🤮🤮
Blaser was having problems with coolant at a customer one time and they did tests... and traced it back to Urine. Found that the night shift operator a going to the bathroom in the tank instead of walking to the restroom...
🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢 YUK...
@@TITANSofCNC That's grim...
@@TITANSofCNC
Hopefully the guy pissing in the coolant got let go. I've gone brezerk at people throwing their chew in the coolant. That's just wrong. You cant teach some people to care
@@TITANSofCNC the machine has priority number 1. no production no money :-) :-)
What in the hell would even make you think that?!?! I'd never think to myself "oh, here's a great place to pee". Who the hell are these people? How does that even cross someones mind?!
Why My milk coolent it turn like a jelly.
I put in an RFQ.
Lol, why use 2 vices on what looks like a 7-8" part and not even clamping on the center of the vise??? And with aluminum? Y'all don't have an 8" vise? Didn't you literally just mill slots through a brand new vise?
What is the coolant name?
Synergy 735
@@TITANSofCNC thank you
Coolant with a high chlorine
Will mess with your skin
You need coolant with PROACTIVE ingredients 😂
I use the refining mask, just a little dab is all you need.
Does it stain brass (cda 360)
No