I think the time travel makes sense. The way I look at it, just because the master sword (or any other thing really) goes back in time, doesn't mean it has to override the existence of the Master Sword in the past. And with a closed time loop like TotK has, even though two swords exist at the same time it's only temporary. There will only be two swords until Link sends the sword back in time, making there only be one Master Sword, the one in the light dragons head. You can also see this with Rauru/Zeldas secret stone: if they override each other, then Raurus secret stone wouldn't exist in the past
Something similar happens in Skyward Sword when Link uses the Gate of Time to travel to the past in an Era where the Master Sword/Goddess Sword is still awaiting the Hero within the Temple of Hylia in Skyloft while Link is currently carrying the present Master Sword on his back. I'm sure Aonuma and co. used Skyward Sword's storyline as a basis to write the storyline of Tears of the Kingdom.
@@javiervasquez625 it's just a shame how much worse than SS the story of TOTK turned out, and even the games themselves I honestly prefer SS. like, TOTK gives you the freedom to do anything, at the cost of feeling like you've done nothing. SS lets YOU drive the story and everything you do feels good and fun
It's this exactly. Shocking how few people seem to get this and then claim it makes no sense. It's not like Tears of the Kingdom is the first piece of media to do this kind of time travel either. This happens in doctor who, a harry potter film.... two of the same item/person in the same place due to time travel isn't some new wild confusing idea.
@kit76149 EXACTLY. I am all for having criticisms for games and their stories, because no game is perfect, but not only is this easy to understand time travel, it's also the most simple and consistent form of time travel in the entire series. Skyward Sword has both a closed loop form of time travel (impas bracelet, zelda always being in the forgotten temple) and changes in the last change the future time travel (the life tree, the master sword at the end of the game). OoT has the same issue. It has closed loop (Song of Storms) and changes in past change the future (magic beans, zelda sending link back in time and creating a timeline split) While both of the mentioned games are great, having two conflicting forms of time travel makes elements of the stories much harder to understand, granted, more so for Skyward Sword for Ocarina of Time, yet people have been able to understand those stories fine. Yet somehow whenever TotK comes along and has only one form of time travel, which is much easier to understand and is consistent, nobody understands how it works. I dont like bullying people, and generally don't (or at least try not to) act like I'm smarter than every person I come into contact with, but I actually do not understand how everyone is taking something that is so incredibly straightforward, especially compared to what came before, and severely overcomplicating it. There are definitely some flaws in TotKs story, but the time travel is absolutely not one of them. Sorry, didn't mean to yap so much, I just wanted to rant about it lol Edit: and like you said, it's not like this is the first time this form of time travel has been used before. It's far from it. It's been used in so much media that involves time travel, and somehow people just forgot that it exists lol
@@HylianSwamp123 You forgot the Harp of Ages from Oracle of Ages which allows Link to constantly change past events within the _same timeline_ never creating a split of any kind rising the question of wether the Harp of Ages is been inconsistent with the laws of time travel and wether Nintendo does not actually care about consistency as long as the gameplay is fun. Wathever the case may be i wholeheartedly agree with the points you brought up.
People assume time is a strict progession of cause to effect but actually from a non linear non subjective viewpoint it’s more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly time Wimey stuff
Legend of Zelda and Doctor Who crossover? The Doctor helps Link repair the Master Sword to stop Ganon from using the Tardis to conquer Hyrule in all of the timeline splits?
The Secret Stones are also creations of the gods, just like the Master Sword and the Triforce. Mineru tells us this in the cutscene we get after completing the Spirit Temple, that the Zonai were "thought to be descendants of gods" and that the Secret Stones were "treasures from those same gods", entrusted to the Zonai. The Master sword being in a weakened state after the events of BotW meant that, even though it was an artifact created by the Goddess specifically to combat evil, it couldn't match the power of a full-powered created-by-the-gods artifact like even one Secret Stone, so it shattered, and was then sent back in time to be restored to its full power by Zelda/the Light Dragon The closed loop time travel means that the Master Sword (and Rauru's/Zelda's Secret Stone) "lived" those 10,000 years twice over. BotW/TotK are placed at the end of the timeline on the official Japanese Nintendo website, so all the other games have already happened and faded into myth, and the Master Sword is a relic from a bygone age that must be wielded again in this new age, by a new Hero. This new Hero draws the sword to use it against Calamity Ganon in what would become known as the Great Calamity, then the Hero places the sword in Korok Forest to heal, where it rests for 10,000 years until it's drawn again by BotW Link (Purah's journal in Hateno in BotW says that the Calamity went dormant for 10,000 years after the battle with the Divine Beasts and the Guardians, meaning that Hyrule experienced an era of peace where a Hero, and thus the Master Sword, wasn't needed). The Master Sword is used by Link to defeat Calamity Ganon, then placed back in its pedestal for the next 6-7 years, drawn again, shattered by Ganondorf, then sent back to the era of Hyrule's founding, *before* the Great Calamity had even happened. From here the Master Sword is stuck in the head of the Light Dragon, and both the Master Sword and the Light Dragon see the rise of the original Calamity, the rise of the ancient Sheikah and the construction of the Divine Beasts, the Great Calamity where Ganon is defeated by the Divine Beasts and the Ancient Hero, the 10,000-year-long era of peace in Hyrule, the reemergence of the Calamity and the destruction of Hyrule by the possessed Guardians, the defeat of Calamity Ganon in the events of BotW, and finally the Upheaval, only the Master Sword is seeing all of this for a second time from a different place The "two Master Swords" and "two of Rauru's Secret Stone" and "two Zeldas" are *the same person/object*; it isn't really like duping because there was only ever *one* of each of them, those ones were just existing at the same point on the timeline simultaneously. If you drew this out on paper, the timeline for the Master Sword, Zelda/the Light Dragon, and Rauru's Secret Stone would look like a sideways b
The Master Sword was never said to be indestructable, in A Link to the Past, the first game it appeared in, you literally can give it to Weapon Forge Masters and they can literally make it twice as sharp. If Mortals can reshape it with heat and brute force, then it was only a matter of Time until it breaks
If we compare the Master Sword to the Four Sword from The Minish Cap which is also of divine origin one could argue all "divine weapons" are prone to shatter if not "recharged" by godly power after prolonged gaps of time. Like a battery that needs charging after use so do both the Master Sword and Four Sword require charging with divine power in order to avoid breaking when exposed to demonic power such as Ganondorf's Gloom and Vaati's magic respectively.
@@javiervasquez625 As far ad I am concerned, the Four Sword isnt really of Divine Origen. It is a Holy Weapon for sure, but it wasnt created by Gods or Kami, most Minish are as far as I know tiny humans and not labled to be Gods or have connections to the Gods-Tribe. Only after it got fused with the Four Elements the Four Sword was born and only then it has enough holy power to kill a God like Vaati in his prime. You dont need to be a God to create a Holy Weapon, the sages for example created their own Sword to execute demonic wizards with it, yet it only works on lesser demons apparently and same was apparently the case for the Picori Blade, it was holy to seal minor monsters but not holy enough to kill or seal a Demonic God
@@javiervasquez625 The Four Sword is not really a divine weapon considering that the Minish which created it in its early state are not really Godlike and more like the smurfs, they had some magicians but are still pretty much mortal, so it is no suprise that the Four Sword actually broke from that, it is just fueled with Forve The Master Sword was actually crafted by divine hands yet still made of perishable materials, according to the Manga of Skyward Sword (which is probably the only one that is actually Canon) it even had to be reforged in by the hands of Humans in order for it to be wielded by Humans.
@@Chris-gx1ei How can you say the Minish aren't god-like in nature when they literally _"descended from the _*_sky"_* like the Oocca, Lokomo and Zonai did to bring down both the Four Sword AND the divine Light Force into the mortal realm in order to help the Hero of Men seal away the mysterious "Darkness" threathening the world...? Let's not forget Ezlo himself who was able to craft a _wish granting_ magic cap to help humans watch over the world just like a certain wish granting golden triangle further pointing at the Minish been a god-like race of beings appart from the mortal races of the Zelda world. Finally remember the ending of the The Minish Cap where Ezlo tells Link and Zelda that the portal linking the "Minish World" to the mortal world was starting to close and it's clear that the Minish race is indeed of a divine nature just like the aforementioned Oocca, Lokomo and Zonai are. With all the information above stated i'm pretty certain both the Master Sword and Four Sword are just as divine as one another given their shared godly origin and the monsters they've managed to vanquish across the timeline (Four Swords Adventures Ganondorf says hi).
The time travel makes perfect sense. I mean think of it like this. The only reason why Marty McFly started to disappear was due to the likelihood his parents getting together. Now if he visited when his mom was pregnant with him, his mom would still be pregnant. There’s no reason why it wouldn’t be baby Marty since in that universe there was no direct complication of prior circumstances that would influence the baby. So, you can have 2 master swords at the same time since as long as there is no danger to the sword via Zelda. If previous events played out the same it’s really not an issue. Same with SS, Hylia was sealed behind those doors. There were always 2 Zelda’s, only reason why there were 2 was due to nothing happening to either one of them that didn’t already happened to change the result of Hylia sealing herself. Yes, Zelda is known for paradox’s. However, in this case in order for it to work sealing Ganon was more like a fixed point in time that turned into a time loop when Zelda went back that far in time… The event always happened. Ganondorf was always sealed underneath the castle. They never changed events, there was always that artwork on the cave walls at the beginning of the game. All events happened like it was supposed to that lead up to BotW. BotW timeline couldn’t exist if Ganondorf wasn’t sealed under the castle. Therefore there wasn’t a major significant change that event that differed to the result of Zelda and Link finding Ganondorf. Nintendo has even stated that BotW was eventually the result of all Zelda timelines in the future . So, no change in the time loop, therefore 2 master swords. Of course there’s always the DRAGONbreak explanation but that’s for another day. Hope that helps explain the craziness of Zelda time travel.
I love thinking about some adventure long before the events of BotW but after Zelda's draconification, where a past incarnation of Link managed to get his hands on both the master swords and dual welded them like a badass...
I don't think anything got duped. Raru's secret stone was sealed with Ganandorf, Zelda got his stone, went back to Raru before becoming the Light Dragon, this ending the secret stone but Raru still had his stone which would later be sealed with Ganondorf for Zelda to find and go back with. Same with the Master Sword, it existed through Raru's time, Wild Link had it, it got broken, went back in time for Zelda to repair and found later by Link. And Zelda, she was born ~117 years ago, went back in time, and became the dragon for 10000 years The dragon existing wouldn't stop Zelda from being born to later become the dragon. Everything existed in a way I can't seem to see a problem with in a linear stream of time, A to B to C to D, not a loop of A to B to C to A. Now if Zelda and Raru swapped stones so she swallowed the past stone and Raru sealed the future stone that'd get a bit confusing and break things I think. I see it more as a closed time loop, it's a straight line of events for everything in question where nothing happens that would break the loop. As far as I can see, I might be completely wrong
Yes, just like in Skyward Sword everything is a straight up loop from the Beginning to the End. Ganondorf already has knowledge of Link and the Master Sword because Rauru told him about, he knows Zelda because he recognises her from the Past, and the Legend of how Zelda became a Dragon is carved in the Wall in the room right before Ganondorf's Chamber, but blocked off by Boulders. And similar is in Skyward Sword, Zelda had given Impa her Bracelett at the end of the game and she wore it the whole time as an old lady. Behind the Gate she is sitting in front of is a huge Amber, this is the same Amber in which Zelda sealed herself in the Past. A Timeline with Loops is nothing New to the Zelda Franchise, but the Question is what the Time Travel of Terrako would have an effect on... because this little Egg Thing that wanted to make her owner Happy has possibly fucked up everything
Acid Spaghetti even, his Picture Description of his second form confirms that his Gloom is a Corrosive substance and it can destroy both your body and your Equipment
To be fair I pretty much only use the master as a backup or fused with fire in the depths, or the occasional phantom gannon when I want a solid single shot bow.
How do you expect games that came out years before skyward sword to “Respect the lore established in the game” The only games that came out between skyward sword and breath of the wild were the 3DS games
My comment was that BotW and TotK respect Skyward Swords lore, not Skyward Sword respecting the lore of the previous games. The “lore” of the Master Sword was written in SS, and BotW/TotK use that as a foundation
12:58 The sword from BOTW is the Master Sword BEFORE it's broken and is sent back in time. There are two Master Swords. One in the pedestal, and one with Dragon Zelda.
It still doesn't explain why the sword broke. Most of the time it faced a Ganondorf whose had the Power shard of the Triforce, which is the most powerful arftifact in the series and could handle it fine. But now suddenly a non-Triforce of power Ganon with a secret stone can shatter it? This is the main reason as to why many folk dislike the secret stones, not only is their origin and power level vaugue but it's implied that a single one of them is more powerful than a Triforce shard which makes zero sense. If it were Ganondorf with the Power shard and the stone I could buy it, but it isn't the case. Also the time travel introduces a major plothole: if Zelda knows that the upcoming imprisoning war is kinda futile since they don't have the Sword, why is no one looking for it on the past? Rauru and Sonias time period takes place after Skyward Sword so it means somewhere in their Hyrule there's a master sword somewhere and no ine thinks of maybe using that.
The Master Sword as we saw it before must have existed prior to Zelda's arrival in the ancient past. The original sword eventually gets rediscovered, and used by Hyrulean heroes up into Link and Zelda's original era. Then, it gets shattered by Ganondorf's gloom. Shortly thereafter, the decayed sword gets sent back to Zelda in the ancient past, and she draconifies to empower it and heal it over thousands of years until Link can retrieve the blessed Master Sword from the light dragon in the future.
@stuffz1757 I wager it was rediscovered wherever the remains of the Sealed Temple was located. When the Hylian Rauru built his Temple of Time before the events of Ocarina of Time.
@@stuffz1757 Creating A Champion says that Link pulled the Master Sword from its pedestal in Korok Forest when he was 12-13. But the Ancient Hero depicted in the Calamity tapestry in Impa's house in Kakariko is also depicted wielding it, and we learn in Purah's journal in Hateno in BotW that the Calamity went dormant for 10,000 years after the Divine Beasts and the Guardians were used against it, so presumably there was no need for a Hero during that time since it was a period of peace, and presumably the Master Sword was in its pedestal that whole time, having been placed there 10,000 years ago by the Ancient Hero who last wielded it. We have no idea where the Ancient Hero got it from if not from Korok Forest
@@Sarah_H I'd imagine it eventually ended up where it currently is in BOTW because of a long line of various heroes using it. With the refounding idea however I've no idea where it is, because a refounding doesn't explain how if at all the game connects to the rest to the series.
@@stuffz1757 the Refounding idea is that BotW/TotK take place so far into the future from the other games that all the other games have faded into myth, so BotW/TotK are essentially reboots of the series. It's a new Hyrule founded on the ruins of the old one from the other games. As for the Master Sword: - Last known location in the Fallen Timeline was in the Lost Woods, in A Link Between Worlds - Last known location in the Child Timeline was in the Sacred Grove, in Twilight Princess - Last known location in the Adult Timeline was in Wind Waker, buried under the Great Sea
The Master Sword: Zelda's nod to Tolkien. As for the Great Deku Tree, let's not forget, he does exist in the Child Timeline, as he watches over the Kokiri since before the start of OoT. The Great Deku Tree Sprout appears when Link is an adult... BUT, he was already in the dirt, waiting to immerge. Link only met him as an adult because it took the 7 years between his youth and adulthood for the sprout to, well, sprout, and because Link happened to be standing there when it happened. Thus, the sprout emerging is incidental to Link's presence, rather than the result of it. In other words, there's going to be a Great Deku Tree 7 years into the future, whether Link is there or not, so long as the OG tree is cleared of the monster's within. Since Child Link warns Zelda of Ganondorf, his evil never runs over the Hyrule of OoT, so there's nothing to stop the sprout from being "born" 7 years later, and so another Great Deku Tree will exist in the Child Timeline. Although we never see him in Twilight Princess, he does exist and this would support why BotW and TotK take place in the Child Timeline, given TGDT's presence.
Okay but what about the giant tree with a face that you walk into to start "level 1" of the original Zelda game? And in what way is the Master Sword specifically a nod to Tolkien?
@@TheRealNintendoKid the Giant Tree may itself be a Great Deku Tree, a descendant of the one from OoT, and a predecessor to that of BotW. The Master Sword is a combo of the Sword in the Stone from Arthurian legend and “Sting”, the sword from “The Hobbit” (book, not movie).
Aside from the OOU explanation of them just having to come up with new crap, it's getting to the point to where the next time Ganondorf pops up later on in this timeline, the master sword isn't going to do squat. They had to have it exist simultaneously in its pedestal/be in use and stuck in dragonzelda's big forehead for a looooong long time in order to make it work against Ganondorf. It's some crazy power creep in this magical world that somehow stays stagnant in its technology and customs for thousands upon thousands of years despite showing in the first canonical title that way more advanced tech existed even PRIOR to that point in time. I get they "do the levels and gameplay" first and work around it, but man, this lore is just whack. I say this having been a gigantic zelda nerd my whole life, just shy of a triforce tattoo.
I mean keep in mind that the master sword in the light dragon's forehead is from chronologically after BOTW. what i mean by that is that every Zelda game's master sword will still be where that is, and any future installments too, and then when all those master swords are finished with their purpose, they eventually get shattered, healed by the dragon, and placed right back into the time they came from. there's not now a time where the master sword wasn't on hyrule, it still was in the lost woods between the distant past and TOTK
@@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868 Rauru is *not* the first king of Hyrule but simply the first king of a _new_ kingdom founded after the 3 timelines ended as confirmed by the inconsistent geography of the many kingdoms of Hyrule across the timeline contradicting the _unchanged_ geography of Rauru's Hyrule which looks exactly the same by the time of Rhoam's rule in Breath of the Wild. I reiterate: Rauru the Zonai is NOT the first king of the first kingdom of Hyrule but rather a new kingdom founded thousands of years after the 3 Hyrules from the 3 timelines vanished from History.
um... What??? The master Sword that's in the light dragon's head is one from a time after the events of Breath of the Wild and its memories. And all this timeline crap is likely exactly why they placed BOTW 10k years after any other previously established events.
Ok that's it! I'm TIRED of noone mentioning this about the sword! If the Sword was brought back in time to the "founding of Hyrule kingdom" then rested in Zeldas Dragon skull up too breath of the wild, wouldn't that REMOVE THE MASTER SWORD FROM THE REST OF THE TIMELINES. no other links would have been able to have it if it was in the sky for millennia. So.. does everyone just automatically agree that Botw &Totk BOTH take place at the end of the original Zelda timeline, making the Zonai Founding, a REFOUNDING of the kingdom after it fell?? Because this is the only way it works. And NOONE ever mentions this. I know this isn't a timeline Video, but it is a master sword vid o, and it irks me that almost no one brings up this point!!! It's the most Solid point to show that TOTK takes place at the end. Please no one jump on here with the "timeline doesn't matter anymore" Because it matters to me. Always has. I'm not just gonna go "lah di dah everything's ok" when Nintendo basically spat in our faces bringing up THE imprisoning war(an event regularly talked about and even has a place on the timeline) then showing us a completely different event.. that's just RUDE. And I think it's rude to just throw our lore out the window for "creative freedom" when the story wasn't even that good.. Haha sorry to take this out on your comment section! Can anyone give me any feedback^ my brain itches to talk about it but no one is!!! And if they are I need names please!!
I just wonder when is the master sword created in the story and why there's is no 2 master Sword cause you know technically th present sword go to past, and there must be another one created in the proses of history for the present sword exists in the after past, wtf i just tiped😂
I've heard it put a number of ways, but in a sad yet eloquent way... "Nintendo didn't think about it, they didn't care." So I doubt they thought of this as much as we have.
"old good, new bad" Nintendo never really cared about Zelda's continuity or story in general. I just want you to know, you're part of a loud, vocal minority and Zelda isn't going back
Ah yes the "refounding" history of the Master Sword where it goes: Sword made in SS | Sword used throughtout main timeline | ???????????????? | Hyrule refounded and somehow either Rauru or Sonia dont know about the sword or they do, but either way theyve no clue about a past Hyrule. | Sword somehow near Deku Tree surrounded by stones thst reference the OOT Sages | Present day where the Sword is widely known, its history is well documented, and the primary tales associated to it are the events of Skyward Sword, OOT, and Twilight Princess That makes a lot sense, lol.
_"Hyrule refounded and somehow either Rauru or Sonia don't know about the sword or they do, but either way theyve no clue about a past Hyrule"_ ¿Did any of the Zeldas post Skyward Sword know about the Demon Tribe's curse? ¿Or about Vaati's Seal within the Four Sword? ¿Or about the Hero of Time who's existence is completely *forgotten* by the latter games across all 3 timelines...? ¿Has anyone in Hyrule ever shown the most minuscule interest in keeping historical *records* of every single past event that has ever taken place in the long history of the land of Hyrule? ¿Haven't you realized that the people in the Zelda world are constantly forgetting _everything_ that happens in their History in order to allow events to repeat over and over again indefinetly? It makes perfect sense for Rauru and Sonia to not know about the previous incarnations of the kingdom given the _thousands of years_ which completley erased any trace of their existence from the memory of every living person in the entire Zelda world. The reason why there are references to Skyward Sword, Ocarina of Time, The Wind Waker, Twilight Princess, etc. in the Era of the Wild is because the _legends_ surrounding these events are still been passed down from generation to generation despite the lack of any historical *record* which outright confirms that said events ever happened in the long past. It's called "The _Legend_ of Zelda" for a reason.
@@javiervasquez625 my man this is ridiculous. You're hamfisting in a refounding that doesn't work. Also yeah people did know about Vaatis seal since maintaining it was a duty of the Royal Family up untill FSA, people do remember the Hero of Time up untill the events no longer allow it. A refounding requires a huge gap of nothing, followed by a period where information about a past Kingdom is nonexistent, followed then by a period where information is well documented and considered part of the current kingdoms history. It's stupid.
@@stuffz1757 _"You're hamfisting in a refounding that doesn't work"_ I've already explained to you why it (perfectly) works courtesy of the Hyruleans's ever predominant inability to REMEMBER ancient history allowing events like Ganondorf's reincarnations to repeat again indefinetly kickstarting another battle against the Demon Tribe without the chance to prevent it. _"...people did know about Vaati's seal since maintaining it was a duty of the Royal Family up until FSA"_ I ain't talking about FSA buddy but _FS_ after MANY CYCLES of Vaati escaping the sword to kidnap young maidens (again) and turning them into his wives. You would expect the people of Hyrule to ingrain in their memory such incidents so they wouldn't happen again but what a surprise... they _don't._ _"A refounding, followed by a period where information about a past Kingdom is nonexistent, followed then by a period where information is well documented and considered part of the current kingdoms history"_ You said it beautifully pointing the long passage of time as the huge factor that would make the ever non interested "historians" in Hyrule to completely forget about the existence of past kingdoms until mere LEGENDS of said kingdoms remained to inspire Rauru the Zonai (who's name was most probably inspired by the ancient Hylian Light Sage of the same name) to establish a kingdom named Hyrule in honor of the many legends surrounding a kingdom where the many events referenced by Zelda during the blessing ceremony scene in Breath of the Wild took place. Thanks for prooving you do know how to do the homework even if you're unwilling to embrace the evidence it explicitly provides.
@@javiervasquez625 couple of points: 1. The Hero of Time isn't forgotten, the events of OOT are carried all the way till, AoL on the DT. His deeds are treated as gospel in the CT but we don't know how long it lasts, and we know he's basically a well known legend on the AT as that's basically the entire set up of WW. We can't confirm if he's still known in New Hyrule, but we can confirm he's known enough to have influenced the people of Outset to start the tradition with Green clothes, and WW Link probably isn't the last boy on the island to be part of that tradition. Moreover if he was truly forgotten that would be a massive problem for you and your refounding idea, as OOT is anything but forgotten in BOTW, where it's a well documented event, with actual relics from said event still existing and being known in the present day. Said event being considered part of the kingdoms history and being correctly placed relative to the founding. It's inconceivable that the events of OOT could have been forgotten but then somehow perfectly remembered. 2. No one knows about the Demo Tribes curse except SS Link who probably didn't even believe Demise. 3. Vaatis seal is well remembered, it's part of the plot of FSA that Zelda is tasked with watching over it. 4. The past games do have physical evidence, it's the items we find like the Dusk Claymore or Dusk Bow, both of which are said to have been passed down the Royal Family, which are described as being pivotal to events that happened in the past, events we know happened. 4. If these "legends" were being passed down, many of them mentioning "a princess of Hyrule" don't you think Rauru or Sonia would've caught on there was a previous Hyrulez or were these legends just not being passed down back then?
@@stuffz1757 Couple of counterpoints: _" The Hero of Time isn't forgotten, the events of OOT are carried all the way till, AoL on the DT"_ ¿You seriously expect me to believe that the 2 earliest games in the franchise which lack any backstory for the entire conflict between the God Tribe and Demon Tribe plus the Master Sword's very importance within said conflict still remember events which are never _referenced_ a single time in either of these 2 games...? If your "sources" are random pages from either of the practically inconsistent Lore books such as the Hyrule Historia and Zelda Encyclopedia don't bother as they've all been proven inaccurate and outright *contradictory* to their own information to be taken with any serious level of scrutiny by a Zelda scholar. I can write some of those contradictions right here if your contrarian denial so insists. _"His deeds are treated as gospel in the CT but we don't know how long it lasts..."_ Source? The poor guy never got recognized as a Hero who saved the world like he was in the Adult Timeline dying in the battlefield before imparting his fighting skills to his children and forcing him to wander as a restless spirit in perpetual sorrow at failing to pass down his knowledge through his bloodline. Nobody in Twilight Princess remembers his name let alone what exactly he did to dare say he was "treated as gospel in the CT" so a reliable source would be appreciated in order to take such a statement seriously. _"We can't confirm if he's still known in New Hyrule..."_ He isn't otherwise we would hear of his great deeds vanquishing that "evil king" Niko bothered to aknowledge had threathened the Great Sea before been vanquished again by the successor of said past Hero who _also_ became forgotten as proven by no one in New Hyrule even suggesting they know of the Hero of Winds aside from the already senile Niko who couldn't even bother to write down the events of The Wind Waker on a book to ensure his deeds would forever be remembered. The Hero of Time did something and then got forgotten only for the Hero of Winds to also do something and also get forgotten. ¿See the pattern? _"Moreover if he was truly forgotten that would be massive problem for you and your refounding idea, as OOT is anything but forgotten in BOTW, where it's a well documented event, with actual relics from said event still existing and being known in the present day"_ Did you even read what i said in my original comment...?: _"The reason why there are references to Skyward Sword, Ocarina of Time, The Wind Waker, Twilight Princess, etc. in the Era of the Wild is because the legends surrounding these events are still been passed down from generation to generation despite the lack of any historical _*_record_*_ which outright confirms that said events ever happened in the long past. It's called "The Legend of Zelda" for a reason"_ Need i say anything else? Just because we see _references_ to all these games spread across Rauru's Hyrule does not magically mean the people of his Hyrule KNOW about these past events courtesy of them having become legends which modern Hyruleans continue to pass down across generations regardless of the lack of any historical record to corroborate their authenticity. _"It's inconcievable that the events of OOT could have been forgotten but then somehow remembered"_ Except they were NEVER REMEMBERED the actual events been lost to time and History leaving nothing but _legends_ and _myths_ which the people of Rauru's Hyrule continue to tell eachother despite lacking historical sources backing said events. Having a legend about past games isn't the same as having records explaining in detail what happens in said past events and how much they affect the current Era that the people of modern Hyrule are living in. Legend ≠ History. _"No one knows about the Demo Tribes curse except SS Link who probably didn't even believe Demise"_ Yeah the kid who's fully aware his highschool crush is a reincarnated goddess who died fighting said near omnipotent Satanic being would never believe such a being's words despite all the reputation he made for himself as a powerful threat to the entire world not to be taken seriously. Like lol. _"...both of which are _*_said_*_ to have been passed down the Royal Family..."_ You said it buddy: SAID confirms it's _hear say_ rather than historical fact and you know just as well as me that when rumor and hear say is all you got as basis for an item's origin it might as well be labeled a LEGEND given the lack of any historical *record* able to corroborate such rumors. _"If these "legends" were being passed down, many of them been mentioning "a princess of Hyrule" don't you think Rauru or Sonia would've caught on there was a previous Hyrulez or were these legends just being passed down back then?"_ ¿How do you KNOW that the legends surrounding the many past games also included the existence of princesses and past incarnations of the kingdom? Neither game in the Wild duology is ever explicit as to how in depth the legends surrounding the past games actually are to deduce the people of modern Hyrule know anything about the past kingdoms so there's no reason why Rauru and Sonia would've "caught wind" regarding legends which are barely *known* aside from simple vague details which lead to the naming of locations and Shrines across both world maps in the Wild duology. All in all there's plenty of evidence to support the plausible conclusion that the kingdom was refounded confirming without a shadow of a doubt that Rauru's Hyrule is simply another refoundation thousands of years after the previous kingdoms turned into legends and myths orally passed down through generations all the way into modern day.
You have no idea how much i agree after witnessing at least 5 instances of inconsistent time travel across the series. If this continues Aonuma will have no choice but to swallow his own words next time he says they _care_ about continuity.
Not saying I entirely disagree, but I don't think time travel is the cause of most of the issues in the games story. The same issues would probably exist whether there was time travel or not
@@HylianSwamp123 Agreed it's less about the constant reuse of time travel as a plotpoint and more about the lack of _consistency_ in how it works and how much it affects the ever expanding timeline(s). One moment we get an organ grinder trapped in a time loop, the next we accidentally create split timelines and later we get a time travelling harp able to jump back and forth to cause changes in the same timeline without creating any splits whatsoever... scratching my head Aonuma.
There is no issues in the time loop TotK presents. Sure, there are two Master Swords simultaneously for thousands of years because the one sent from the future was travelling with Light Dragon while the younger sword was used by different incarnations of the Hero, but since she flew up past the cloud barrier, nobody on the ground could detect sword from the future before she descended down from there after Ganondorf was releases again.
Fun fact, breath of the wild and tears of the kingdom are in a whole separate timeline from the original split timeline. This is true so don’t correct me because it is found in some ruins far off in the land that there was never a war for the Hylians
I think the time travel makes sense. The way I look at it, just because the master sword (or any other thing really) goes back in time, doesn't mean it has to override the existence of the Master Sword in the past. And with a closed time loop like TotK has, even though two swords exist at the same time it's only temporary. There will only be two swords until Link sends the sword back in time, making there only be one Master Sword, the one in the light dragons head. You can also see this with Rauru/Zeldas secret stone: if they override each other, then Raurus secret stone wouldn't exist in the past
Something similar happens in Skyward Sword when Link uses the Gate of Time to travel to the past in an Era where the Master Sword/Goddess Sword is still awaiting the Hero within the Temple of Hylia in Skyloft while Link is currently carrying the present Master Sword on his back. I'm sure Aonuma and co. used Skyward Sword's storyline as a basis to write the storyline of Tears of the Kingdom.
@@javiervasquez625 it's just a shame how much worse than SS the story of TOTK turned out, and even the games themselves I honestly prefer SS. like, TOTK gives you the freedom to do anything, at the cost of feeling like you've done nothing. SS lets YOU drive the story and everything you do feels good and fun
It's this exactly. Shocking how few people seem to get this and then claim it makes no sense. It's not like Tears of the Kingdom is the first piece of media to do this kind of time travel either. This happens in doctor who, a harry potter film.... two of the same item/person in the same place due to time travel isn't some new wild confusing idea.
@kit76149 EXACTLY. I am all for having criticisms for games and their stories, because no game is perfect, but not only is this easy to understand time travel, it's also the most simple and consistent form of time travel in the entire series.
Skyward Sword has both a closed loop form of time travel (impas bracelet, zelda always being in the forgotten temple) and changes in the last change the future time travel (the life tree, the master sword at the end of the game).
OoT has the same issue. It has closed loop (Song of Storms) and changes in past change the future (magic beans, zelda sending link back in time and creating a timeline split)
While both of the mentioned games are great, having two conflicting forms of time travel makes elements of the stories much harder to understand, granted, more so for Skyward Sword for Ocarina of Time, yet people have been able to understand those stories fine.
Yet somehow whenever TotK comes along and has only one form of time travel, which is much easier to understand and is consistent, nobody understands how it works. I dont like bullying people, and generally don't (or at least try not to) act like I'm smarter than every person I come into contact with, but I actually do not understand how everyone is taking something that is so incredibly straightforward, especially compared to what came before, and severely overcomplicating it.
There are definitely some flaws in TotKs story, but the time travel is absolutely not one of them.
Sorry, didn't mean to yap so much, I just wanted to rant about it lol
Edit: and like you said, it's not like this is the first time this form of time travel has been used before. It's far from it. It's been used in so much media that involves time travel, and somehow people just forgot that it exists lol
@@HylianSwamp123 You forgot the Harp of Ages from Oracle of Ages which allows Link to constantly change past events within the _same timeline_ never creating a split of any kind rising the question of wether the Harp of Ages is been inconsistent with the laws of time travel and wether Nintendo does not actually care about consistency as long as the gameplay is fun.
Wathever the case may be i wholeheartedly agree with the points you brought up.
People assume time is a strict progession of cause to effect but actually from a non linear non subjective viewpoint it’s more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly time Wimey stuff
Haha Doctor Who
Legend of Zelda and Doctor Who crossover? The Doctor helps Link repair the Master Sword to stop Ganon from using the Tardis to conquer Hyrule in all of the timeline splits?
Thank you for this
The Secret Stones are also creations of the gods, just like the Master Sword and the Triforce. Mineru tells us this in the cutscene we get after completing the Spirit Temple, that the Zonai were "thought to be descendants of gods" and that the Secret Stones were "treasures from those same gods", entrusted to the Zonai. The Master sword being in a weakened state after the events of BotW meant that, even though it was an artifact created by the Goddess specifically to combat evil, it couldn't match the power of a full-powered created-by-the-gods artifact like even one Secret Stone, so it shattered, and was then sent back in time to be restored to its full power by Zelda/the Light Dragon
The closed loop time travel means that the Master Sword (and Rauru's/Zelda's Secret Stone) "lived" those 10,000 years twice over. BotW/TotK are placed at the end of the timeline on the official Japanese Nintendo website, so all the other games have already happened and faded into myth, and the Master Sword is a relic from a bygone age that must be wielded again in this new age, by a new Hero. This new Hero draws the sword to use it against Calamity Ganon in what would become known as the Great Calamity, then the Hero places the sword in Korok Forest to heal, where it rests for 10,000 years until it's drawn again by BotW Link (Purah's journal in Hateno in BotW says that the Calamity went dormant for 10,000 years after the battle with the Divine Beasts and the Guardians, meaning that Hyrule experienced an era of peace where a Hero, and thus the Master Sword, wasn't needed). The Master Sword is used by Link to defeat Calamity Ganon, then placed back in its pedestal for the next 6-7 years, drawn again, shattered by Ganondorf, then sent back to the era of Hyrule's founding, *before* the Great Calamity had even happened. From here the Master Sword is stuck in the head of the Light Dragon, and both the Master Sword and the Light Dragon see the rise of the original Calamity, the rise of the ancient Sheikah and the construction of the Divine Beasts, the Great Calamity where Ganon is defeated by the Divine Beasts and the Ancient Hero, the 10,000-year-long era of peace in Hyrule, the reemergence of the Calamity and the destruction of Hyrule by the possessed Guardians, the defeat of Calamity Ganon in the events of BotW, and finally the Upheaval, only the Master Sword is seeing all of this for a second time from a different place
The "two Master Swords" and "two of Rauru's Secret Stone" and "two Zeldas" are *the same person/object*; it isn't really like duping because there was only ever *one* of each of them, those ones were just existing at the same point on the timeline simultaneously. If you drew this out on paper, the timeline for the Master Sword, Zelda/the Light Dragon, and Rauru's Secret Stone would look like a sideways b
The Master Sword was never said to be indestructable, in A Link to the Past, the first game it appeared in, you literally can give it to Weapon Forge Masters and they can literally make it twice as sharp.
If Mortals can reshape it with heat and brute force, then it was only a matter of Time until it breaks
If we compare the Master Sword to the Four Sword from The Minish Cap which is also of divine origin one could argue all "divine weapons" are prone to shatter if not "recharged" by godly power after prolonged gaps of time.
Like a battery that needs charging after use so do both the Master Sword and Four Sword require charging with divine power in order to avoid breaking when exposed to demonic power such as Ganondorf's Gloom and Vaati's magic respectively.
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As far ad I am concerned, the Four Sword isnt really of Divine Origen.
It is a Holy Weapon for sure, but it wasnt created by Gods or Kami, most Minish are as far as I know tiny humans and not labled to be Gods or have connections to the Gods-Tribe.
Only after it got fused with the Four Elements the Four Sword was born and only then it has enough holy power to kill a God like Vaati in his prime.
You dont need to be a God to create a Holy Weapon, the sages for example created their own Sword to execute demonic wizards with it, yet it only works on lesser demons apparently and same was apparently the case for the Picori Blade, it was holy to seal minor monsters but not holy enough to kill or seal a Demonic God
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The Four Sword is not really a divine weapon considering that the Minish which created it in its early state are not really Godlike and more like the smurfs, they had some magicians but are still pretty much mortal, so it is no suprise that the Four Sword actually broke from that, it is just fueled with Forve
The Master Sword was actually crafted by divine hands yet still made of perishable materials, according to the Manga of Skyward Sword (which is probably the only one that is actually Canon) it even had to be reforged in by the hands of Humans in order for it to be wielded by Humans.
@@Chris-gx1ei How can you say the Minish aren't god-like in nature when they literally _"descended from the _*_sky"_* like the Oocca, Lokomo and Zonai did to bring down both the Four Sword AND the divine Light Force into the mortal realm in order to help the Hero of Men seal away the mysterious "Darkness" threathening the world...? Let's not forget Ezlo himself who was able to craft a _wish granting_ magic cap to help humans watch over the world just like a certain wish granting golden triangle further pointing at the Minish been a god-like race of beings appart from the mortal races of the Zelda world. Finally remember the ending of the The Minish Cap where Ezlo tells Link and Zelda that the portal linking the "Minish World" to the mortal world was starting to close and it's clear that the Minish race is indeed of a divine nature just like the aforementioned Oocca, Lokomo and Zonai are.
With all the information above stated i'm pretty certain both the Master Sword and Four Sword are just as divine as one another given their shared godly origin and the monsters they've managed to vanquish across the timeline (Four Swords Adventures Ganondorf says hi).
The time travel makes perfect sense. I mean think of it like this. The only reason why Marty McFly started to disappear was due to the likelihood his parents getting together. Now if he visited when his mom was pregnant with him, his mom would still be pregnant. There’s no reason why it wouldn’t be baby Marty since in that universe there was no direct complication of prior circumstances that would influence the baby.
So, you can have 2 master swords at the same time since as long as there is no danger to the sword via Zelda. If previous events played out the same it’s really not an issue.
Same with SS, Hylia was sealed behind those doors. There were always 2 Zelda’s, only reason why there were 2 was due to nothing happening to either one of them that didn’t already happened to change the result of Hylia sealing herself.
Yes, Zelda is known for paradox’s. However, in this case in order for it to work sealing Ganon was more like a fixed point in time that turned into a time loop when Zelda went back that far in time… The event always happened. Ganondorf was always sealed underneath the castle. They never changed events, there was always that artwork on the cave walls at the beginning of the game. All events happened like it was supposed to that lead up to BotW. BotW timeline couldn’t exist if Ganondorf wasn’t sealed under the castle. Therefore there wasn’t a major significant change that event that differed to the result of Zelda and Link finding Ganondorf.
Nintendo has even stated that BotW was eventually the result of all Zelda timelines in the future . So, no change in the time loop, therefore 2 master swords. Of course there’s always the DRAGONbreak explanation but that’s for another day. Hope that helps explain the craziness of Zelda time travel.
The first game that Fujibayashi directed was the Oracle games and the deku tree can exist in the Downfall split too because of the Deku tree sprout.
I love thinking about some adventure long before the events of BotW but after Zelda's draconification, where a past incarnation of Link managed to get his hands on both the master swords and dual welded them like a badass...
I don't think anything got duped. Raru's secret stone was sealed with Ganandorf, Zelda got his stone, went back to Raru before becoming the Light Dragon, this ending the secret stone but Raru still had his stone which would later be sealed with Ganondorf for Zelda to find and go back with. Same with the Master Sword, it existed through Raru's time, Wild Link had it, it got broken, went back in time for Zelda to repair and found later by Link. And Zelda, she was born ~117 years ago, went back in time, and became the dragon for 10000 years The dragon existing wouldn't stop Zelda from being born to later become the dragon.
Everything existed in a way I can't seem to see a problem with in a linear stream of time, A to B to C to D, not a loop of A to B to C to A. Now if Zelda and Raru swapped stones so she swallowed the past stone and Raru sealed the future stone that'd get a bit confusing and break things I think.
I see it more as a closed time loop, it's a straight line of events for everything in question where nothing happens that would break the loop. As far as I can see, I might be completely wrong
Yes, just like in Skyward Sword everything is a straight up loop from the Beginning to the End.
Ganondorf already has knowledge of Link and the Master Sword because Rauru told him about, he knows Zelda because he recognises her from the Past, and the Legend of how Zelda became a Dragon is carved in the Wall in the room right before Ganondorf's Chamber, but blocked off by Boulders.
And similar is in Skyward Sword, Zelda had given Impa her Bracelett at the end of the game and she wore it the whole time as an old lady.
Behind the Gate she is sitting in front of is a huge Amber, this is the same Amber in which Zelda sealed herself in the Past.
A Timeline with Loops is nothing New to the Zelda Franchise, but the Question is what the Time Travel of Terrako would have an effect on... because this little Egg Thing that wanted to make her owner Happy has possibly fucked up everything
Ganondorf broke the master sword using spaghetti
Acid Spaghetti even, his Picture Description of his second form confirms that his Gloom is a Corrosive substance and it can destroy both your body and your Equipment
To be fair I pretty much only use the master as a backup or fused with fire in the depths, or the occasional phantom gannon when I want a solid single shot bow.
How do you expect games that came out years before skyward sword to “Respect the lore established in the game” The only games that came out between skyward sword and breath of the wild were the 3DS games
My comment was that BotW and TotK respect Skyward Swords lore, not Skyward Sword respecting the lore of the previous games. The “lore” of the Master Sword was written in SS, and BotW/TotK use that as a foundation
12:58 The sword from BOTW is the Master Sword BEFORE it's broken and is sent back in time. There are two Master Swords. One in the pedestal, and one with Dragon Zelda.
It still doesn't explain why the sword broke.
Most of the time it faced a Ganondorf whose had the Power shard of the Triforce, which is the most powerful arftifact in the series and could handle it fine.
But now suddenly a non-Triforce of power Ganon with a secret stone can shatter it?
This is the main reason as to why many folk dislike the secret stones, not only is their origin and power level vaugue but it's implied that a single one of them is more powerful than a Triforce shard which makes zero sense.
If it were Ganondorf with the Power shard and the stone I could buy it, but it isn't the case.
Also the time travel introduces a major plothole: if Zelda knows that the upcoming imprisoning war is kinda futile since they don't have the Sword, why is no one looking for it on the past?
Rauru and Sonias time period takes place after Skyward Sword so it means somewhere in their Hyrule there's a master sword somewhere and no ine thinks of maybe using that.
Interesting Video!
The Master Sword as we saw it before must have existed prior to Zelda's arrival in the ancient past. The original sword eventually gets rediscovered, and used by Hyrulean heroes up into Link and Zelda's original era. Then, it gets shattered by Ganondorf's gloom. Shortly thereafter, the decayed sword gets sent back to Zelda in the ancient past, and she draconifies to empower it and heal it over thousands of years until Link can retrieve the blessed Master Sword from the light dragon in the future.
Where was it rediscovered?
@stuffz1757 I wager it was rediscovered wherever the remains of the Sealed Temple was located. When the Hylian Rauru built his Temple of Time before the events of Ocarina of Time.
@@stuffz1757 Creating A Champion says that Link pulled the Master Sword from its pedestal in Korok Forest when he was 12-13. But the Ancient Hero depicted in the Calamity tapestry in Impa's house in Kakariko is also depicted wielding it, and we learn in Purah's journal in Hateno in BotW that the Calamity went dormant for 10,000 years after the Divine Beasts and the Guardians were used against it, so presumably there was no need for a Hero during that time since it was a period of peace, and presumably the Master Sword was in its pedestal that whole time, having been placed there 10,000 years ago by the Ancient Hero who last wielded it. We have no idea where the Ancient Hero got it from if not from Korok Forest
@@Sarah_H I'd imagine it eventually ended up where it currently is in BOTW because of a long line of various heroes using it. With the refounding idea however I've no idea where it is, because a refounding doesn't explain how if at all the game connects to the rest to the series.
@@stuffz1757 the Refounding idea is that BotW/TotK take place so far into the future from the other games that all the other games have faded into myth, so BotW/TotK are essentially reboots of the series. It's a new Hyrule founded on the ruins of the old one from the other games. As for the Master Sword:
- Last known location in the Fallen Timeline was in the Lost Woods, in A Link Between Worlds
- Last known location in the Child Timeline was in the Sacred Grove, in Twilight Princess
- Last known location in the Adult Timeline was in Wind Waker, buried under the Great Sea
The Master Sword: Zelda's nod to Tolkien.
As for the Great Deku Tree, let's not forget, he does exist in the Child Timeline, as he watches over the Kokiri since before the start of OoT. The Great Deku Tree Sprout appears when Link is an adult... BUT, he was already in the dirt, waiting to immerge. Link only met him as an adult because it took the 7 years between his youth and adulthood for the sprout to, well, sprout, and because Link happened to be standing there when it happened. Thus, the sprout emerging is incidental to Link's presence, rather than the result of it. In other words, there's going to be a Great Deku Tree 7 years into the future, whether Link is there or not, so long as the OG tree is cleared of the monster's within. Since Child Link warns Zelda of Ganondorf, his evil never runs over the Hyrule of OoT, so there's nothing to stop the sprout from being "born" 7 years later, and so another Great Deku Tree will exist in the Child Timeline. Although we never see him in Twilight Princess, he does exist and this would support why BotW and TotK take place in the Child Timeline, given TGDT's presence.
Okay but what about the giant tree with a face that you walk into to start "level 1" of the original Zelda game?
And in what way is the Master Sword specifically a nod to Tolkien?
@@TheRealNintendoKid the Giant Tree may itself be a Great Deku Tree, a descendant of the one from OoT, and a predecessor to that of BotW.
The Master Sword is a combo of the Sword in the Stone from Arthurian legend and “Sting”, the sword from “The Hobbit” (book, not movie).
Aside from the OOU explanation of them just having to come up with new crap, it's getting to the point to where the next time Ganondorf pops up later on in this timeline, the master sword isn't going to do squat. They had to have it exist simultaneously in its pedestal/be in use and stuck in dragonzelda's big forehead for a looooong long time in order to make it work against Ganondorf. It's some crazy power creep in this magical world that somehow stays stagnant in its technology and customs for thousands upon thousands of years despite showing in the first canonical title that way more advanced tech existed even PRIOR to that point in time.
I get they "do the levels and gameplay" first and work around it, but man, this lore is just whack. I say this having been a gigantic zelda nerd my whole life, just shy of a triforce tattoo.
I mean keep in mind that the master sword in the light dragon's forehead is from chronologically after BOTW. what i mean by that is that every Zelda game's master sword will still be where that is, and any future installments too, and then when all those master swords are finished with their purpose, they eventually get shattered, healed by the dragon, and placed right back into the time they came from. there's not now a time where the master sword wasn't on hyrule, it still was in the lost woods between the distant past and TOTK
@@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868 Rauru is *not* the first king of Hyrule but simply the first king of a _new_ kingdom founded after the 3 timelines ended as confirmed by the inconsistent geography of the many kingdoms of Hyrule across the timeline contradicting the _unchanged_ geography of Rauru's Hyrule which looks exactly the same by the time of Rhoam's rule in Breath of the Wild.
I reiterate: Rauru the Zonai is NOT the first king of the first kingdom of Hyrule but rather a new kingdom founded thousands of years after the 3 Hyrules from the 3 timelines vanished from History.
That means when she was a Dragon she had to witnis the war in botw
um... What??? The master Sword that's in the light dragon's head is one from a time after the events of Breath of the Wild and its memories.
And all this timeline crap is likely exactly why they placed BOTW 10k years after any other previously established events.
Ok that's it! I'm TIRED of noone mentioning this about the sword!
If the Sword was brought back in time to the "founding of Hyrule kingdom" then rested in Zeldas Dragon skull up too breath of the wild, wouldn't that REMOVE THE MASTER SWORD FROM THE REST OF THE TIMELINES.
no other links would have been able to have it if it was in the sky for millennia.
So.. does everyone just automatically agree that Botw &Totk BOTH take place at the end of the original Zelda timeline, making the Zonai Founding, a REFOUNDING of the kingdom after it fell?? Because this is the only way it works.
And NOONE ever mentions this.
I know this isn't a timeline Video, but it is a master sword vid o, and it irks me that almost no one brings up this point!!! It's the most Solid point to show that TOTK takes place at the end.
Please no one jump on here with the "timeline doesn't matter anymore"
Because it matters to me. Always has.
I'm not just gonna go "lah di dah everything's ok" when Nintendo basically spat in our faces bringing up THE imprisoning war(an event regularly talked about and even has a place on the timeline) then showing us a completely different event.. that's just RUDE.
And I think it's rude to just throw our lore out the window for "creative freedom" when the story wasn't even that good..
Haha sorry to take this out on your comment section!
Can anyone give me any feedback^ my brain itches to talk about it but no one is!!! And if they are I need names please!!
The Sword breaking and fixing in the same game meant nothing, really. We learnt nothing about it.
I just wonder when is the master sword created in the story and why there's is no 2 master Sword cause you know technically th present sword go to past, and there must be another one created in the proses of history for the present sword exists in the after past, wtf i just tiped😂
I've heard it put a number of ways, but in a sad yet eloquent way... "Nintendo didn't think about it, they didn't care."
So I doubt they thought of this as much as we have.
"old good, new bad" Nintendo never really cared about Zelda's continuity or story in general. I just want you to know, you're part of a loud, vocal minority and Zelda isn't going back
Ah yes the "refounding" history of the Master Sword where it goes:
Sword made in SS
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Sword used throughtout main timeline
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Hyrule refounded and somehow either Rauru or Sonia dont know about the sword or they do, but either way theyve no clue about a past Hyrule.
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Sword somehow near Deku Tree surrounded by stones thst reference the OOT Sages
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Present day where the Sword is widely known, its history is well documented, and the primary tales associated to it are the events of Skyward Sword, OOT, and Twilight Princess
That makes a lot sense, lol.
_"Hyrule refounded and somehow either Rauru or Sonia don't know about the sword or they do, but either way theyve no clue about a past Hyrule"_
¿Did any of the Zeldas post Skyward Sword know about the Demon Tribe's curse? ¿Or about Vaati's Seal within the Four Sword? ¿Or about the Hero of Time who's existence is completely *forgotten* by the latter games across all 3 timelines...? ¿Has anyone in Hyrule ever shown the most minuscule interest in keeping historical *records* of every single past event that has ever taken place in the long history of the land of Hyrule? ¿Haven't you realized that the people in the Zelda world are constantly forgetting _everything_ that happens in their History in order to allow events to repeat over and over again indefinetly? It makes perfect sense for Rauru and Sonia to not know about the previous incarnations of the kingdom given the _thousands of years_ which completley erased any trace of their existence from the memory of every living person in the entire Zelda world.
The reason why there are references to Skyward Sword, Ocarina of Time, The Wind Waker, Twilight Princess, etc. in the Era of the Wild is because the _legends_ surrounding these events are still been passed down from generation to generation despite the lack of any historical *record* which outright confirms that said events ever happened in the long past. It's called "The _Legend_ of Zelda" for a reason.
@@javiervasquez625 my man this is ridiculous. You're hamfisting in a refounding that doesn't work. Also yeah people did know about Vaatis seal since maintaining it was a duty of the Royal Family up untill FSA, people do remember the Hero of Time up untill the events no longer allow it. A refounding requires a huge gap of nothing, followed by a period where information about a past Kingdom is nonexistent, followed then by a period where information is well documented and considered part of the current kingdoms history.
It's stupid.
@@stuffz1757 _"You're hamfisting in a refounding that doesn't work"_
I've already explained to you why it (perfectly) works courtesy of the Hyruleans's ever predominant inability to REMEMBER ancient history allowing events like Ganondorf's reincarnations to repeat again indefinetly kickstarting another battle against the Demon Tribe without the chance to prevent it.
_"...people did know about Vaati's seal since maintaining it was a duty of the Royal Family up until FSA"_
I ain't talking about FSA buddy but _FS_ after MANY CYCLES of Vaati escaping the sword to kidnap young maidens (again) and turning them into his wives. You would expect the people of Hyrule to ingrain in their memory such incidents so they wouldn't happen again but what a surprise... they _don't._
_"A refounding, followed by a period where information about a past Kingdom is nonexistent, followed then by a period where information is well documented and considered part of the current kingdoms history"_
You said it beautifully pointing the long passage of time as the huge factor that would make the ever non interested "historians" in Hyrule to completely forget about the existence of past kingdoms until mere LEGENDS of said kingdoms remained to inspire Rauru the Zonai (who's name was most probably inspired by the ancient Hylian Light Sage of the same name) to establish a kingdom named Hyrule in honor of the many legends surrounding a kingdom where the many events referenced by Zelda during the blessing ceremony scene in Breath of the Wild took place.
Thanks for prooving you do know how to do the homework even if you're unwilling to embrace the evidence it explicitly provides.
@@javiervasquez625 couple of points:
1. The Hero of Time isn't forgotten, the events of OOT are carried all the way till, AoL on the DT. His deeds are treated as gospel in the CT but we don't know how long it lasts, and we know he's basically a well known legend on the AT as that's basically the entire set up of WW. We can't confirm if he's still known in New Hyrule, but we can confirm he's known enough to have influenced the people of Outset to start the tradition with Green clothes, and WW Link probably isn't the last boy on the island to be part of that tradition. Moreover if he was truly forgotten that would be a massive problem for you and your refounding idea, as OOT is anything but forgotten in BOTW, where it's a well documented event, with actual relics from said event still existing and being known in the present day. Said event being considered part of the kingdoms history and being correctly placed relative to the founding. It's inconceivable that the events of OOT could have been forgotten but then somehow perfectly remembered.
2. No one knows about the Demo Tribes curse except SS Link who probably didn't even believe Demise.
3. Vaatis seal is well remembered, it's part of the plot of FSA that Zelda is tasked with watching over it.
4. The past games do have physical evidence, it's the items we find like the Dusk Claymore or Dusk Bow, both of which are said to have been passed down the Royal Family, which are described as being pivotal to events that happened in the past, events we know happened.
4. If these "legends" were being passed down, many of them mentioning "a princess of Hyrule" don't you think Rauru or Sonia would've caught on there was a previous Hyrulez or were these legends just not being passed down back then?
@@stuffz1757 Couple of counterpoints:
_" The Hero of Time isn't forgotten, the events of OOT are carried all the way till, AoL on the DT"_
¿You seriously expect me to believe that the 2 earliest games in the franchise which lack any backstory for the entire conflict between the God Tribe and Demon Tribe plus the Master Sword's very importance within said conflict still remember events which are never _referenced_ a single time in either of these 2 games...? If your "sources" are random pages from either of the practically inconsistent Lore books such as the Hyrule Historia and Zelda Encyclopedia don't bother as they've all been proven inaccurate and outright *contradictory* to their own information to be taken with any serious level of scrutiny by a Zelda scholar. I can write some of those contradictions right here if your contrarian denial so insists.
_"His deeds are treated as gospel in the CT but we don't know how long it lasts..."_
Source? The poor guy never got recognized as a Hero who saved the world like he was in the Adult Timeline dying in the battlefield before imparting his fighting skills to his children and forcing him to wander as a restless spirit in perpetual sorrow at failing to pass down his knowledge through his bloodline. Nobody in Twilight Princess remembers his name let alone what exactly he did to dare say he was "treated as gospel in the CT" so a reliable source would be appreciated in order to take such a statement seriously.
_"We can't confirm if he's still known in New Hyrule..."_
He isn't otherwise we would hear of his great deeds vanquishing that "evil king" Niko bothered to aknowledge had threathened the Great Sea before been vanquished again by the successor of said past Hero who _also_ became forgotten as proven by no one in New Hyrule even suggesting they know of the Hero of Winds aside from the already senile Niko who couldn't even bother to write down the events of The Wind Waker on a book to ensure his deeds would forever be remembered. The Hero of Time did something and then got forgotten only for the Hero of Winds to also do something and also get forgotten. ¿See the pattern?
_"Moreover if he was truly forgotten that would be massive problem for you and your refounding idea, as OOT is anything but forgotten in BOTW, where it's a well documented event, with actual relics from said event still existing and being known in the present day"_
Did you even read what i said in my original comment...?:
_"The reason why there are references to Skyward Sword, Ocarina of Time, The Wind Waker, Twilight Princess, etc. in the Era of the Wild is because the legends surrounding these events are still been passed down from generation to generation despite the lack of any historical _*_record_*_ which outright confirms that said events ever happened in the long past. It's called "The Legend of Zelda" for a reason"_
Need i say anything else? Just because we see _references_ to all these games spread across Rauru's Hyrule does not magically mean the people of his Hyrule KNOW about these past events courtesy of them having become legends which modern Hyruleans continue to pass down across generations regardless of the lack of any historical record to corroborate their authenticity.
_"It's inconcievable that the events of OOT could have been forgotten but then somehow remembered"_
Except they were NEVER REMEMBERED the actual events been lost to time and History leaving nothing but _legends_ and _myths_ which the people of Rauru's Hyrule continue to tell eachother despite lacking historical sources backing said events. Having a legend about past games isn't the same as having records explaining in detail what happens in said past events and how much they affect the current Era that the people of modern Hyrule are living in. Legend ≠ History.
_"No one knows about the Demo Tribes curse except SS Link who probably didn't even believe Demise"_
Yeah the kid who's fully aware his highschool crush is a reincarnated goddess who died fighting said near omnipotent Satanic being would never believe such a being's words despite all the reputation he made for himself as a powerful threat to the entire world not to be taken seriously. Like lol.
_"...both of which are _*_said_*_ to have been passed down the Royal Family..."_
You said it buddy: SAID confirms it's _hear say_ rather than historical fact and you know just as well as me that when rumor and hear say is all you got as basis for an item's origin it might as well be labeled a LEGEND given the lack of any historical *record* able to corroborate such rumors.
_"If these "legends" were being passed down, many of them been mentioning "a princess of Hyrule" don't you think Rauru or Sonia would've caught on there was a previous Hyrulez or were these legends just being passed down back then?"_
¿How do you KNOW that the legends surrounding the many past games also included the existence of princesses and past incarnations of the kingdom? Neither game in the Wild duology is ever explicit as to how in depth the legends surrounding the past games actually are to deduce the people of modern Hyrule know anything about the past kingdoms so there's no reason why Rauru and Sonia would've "caught wind" regarding legends which are barely *known* aside from simple vague details which lead to the naming of locations and Shrines across both world maps in the Wild duology.
All in all there's plenty of evidence to support the plausible conclusion that the kingdom was refounded confirming without a shadow of a doubt that Rauru's Hyrule is simply another refoundation thousands of years after the previous kingdoms turned into legends and myths orally passed down through generations all the way into modern day.
Yo, stop doing the best item thing. It keeps popping up in my feet and it's super annoying
This is why I hate time travel as a plot. It creates more issues than it solves. Going forward, I hope Nintendo abandons it.
You have no idea how much i agree after witnessing at least 5 instances of inconsistent time travel across the series. If this continues Aonuma will have no choice but to swallow his own words next time he says they _care_ about continuity.
Not saying I entirely disagree, but I don't think time travel is the cause of most of the issues in the games story. The same issues would probably exist whether there was time travel or not
@@HylianSwamp123 Agreed it's less about the constant reuse of time travel as a plotpoint and more about the lack of _consistency_ in how it works and how much it affects the ever expanding timeline(s). One moment we get an organ grinder trapped in a time loop, the next we accidentally create split timelines and later we get a time travelling harp able to jump back and forth to cause changes in the same timeline without creating any splits whatsoever... scratching my head Aonuma.
The point of time travel in any story is to be inconsistent. And hypothetically, no two points in time are the same.
There is no issues in the time loop TotK presents. Sure, there are two Master Swords simultaneously for thousands of years because the one sent from the future was travelling with Light Dragon while the younger sword was used by different incarnations of the Hero, but since she flew up past the cloud barrier, nobody on the ground could detect sword from the future before she descended down from there after Ganondorf was releases again.
Fun fact, breath of the wild and tears of the kingdom are in a whole separate timeline from the original split timeline. This is true so don’t correct me because it is found in some ruins far off in the land that there was never a war for the Hylians