I would go with Gopro Max ;) , tested both for some time and Insta is kind of bad in any scenerio ;) . But yeah... one silly crash can be super expensive , I know it Man ...🍕🍻
So you got spoiled with suspension and forgot how to ride with just leg shocks, and now you're blaming the wheel? Spend some more time getting used to it and compare apples to apples. At least the V12 didn't burst into flames
No, it's that he caught too much airtime and the wheel was able free spin to a cutout speed. When I ride my Shermax at 30mph and hit a big bump it allows to the wheel to free spin up to 40mph in half a second and activate my speed alarm.
@@HuyTran-sk3py Good point. I feel like this will be a challenge for anyone that likes to jump their eucs or do offroading. WIthout the resistance one the wheel it just gets to speed up to its limits and causes shutoffs and thus these types of scenarios. Curious how the EUC industry will try to deal with this issue. I think we will see some great work and refinement done in the area of suspension wheels within the next couple of years.
@@_x_yujin maybe adding accelerometer data? You are not connected to the ground, but you DID just forcibly lift at speed upward (hop) whilst moving at speed forwards (drive).
I like your trail riding videos but your 'reviews' just suck. Like you said, this was the first time a new wheel underperformed your previous one, but why should they always overperform? You got overconfident, rode at the max speed offroad, made a simple mistake, crashed and then bashed the wheel for not providing more than it was designed for. Every wheel has different strengths and weaknesses and not taking note of those will make you eat dirt. It's a weird thing to be disappointed with something you don't know how to ride appropriately yet.
bit confused at this one. Glad you are OK first and foremost! Not sure the wheel underperformed vs asking too much from it. I do agree that suspension wheels are prob more safe in this scenario. But riding any wheel at its limits in any situation can turn into this exact scenario. Not sure you can blame the wheel or what it was designed for. All wheels have a max capacity that lead to doom if they hit it. The same could have happened on a suspension/more powerful wheel. Albeit less likely. But i have watched people cut off every wheel out there.. even the most robust.
100% certain that the wheel did all it could and should. Suspension could possibly help but also not granted. 2 things: - The wheel lost a lot of energy when going over that bump. It means that the wheel instantaneously slowed down but his body wasnt. No wheel could counter this situation. Every wheel needs some time / distance and grip to get back those km/h lost (he didnt have that when falling). You just need to ride safe and maybe suspension would help as only par of that energy would be absorber by damper without much body dampening. Here the energy was absorbed by tire and then by the body. - His knees got straight when the wheel got into the pod and then he was kicked from the wheel
The V12 ht is fast enough for most people. On a mountainbike trail in a dense forrest you won't go faster than 30 mph. The V12 isn't meant for high speeds.
I agree, if I would have gone west towards the hills my opinion would likely be vastly different. I was linking some trails to go get food down in the metro area. Should have stayed on the trails.
The regular V12 goes 43 Miles per hour, it is meant for speed. It's that it's not a suspension wheel so going fast on bumpy surfaces like which Chooch did here can cost you.
Funny thing is, in chioch video for v11 and s18, he said beginners should not get them wheels as a first wheel cause they will develop bad habits that will hurt them on non suspension wheel
Damn bro, that was a pretty gnarly crash. Btw, you have nothing to be embarrassed about, you're pushing these unproven EUC's so we can all make informed decisions. Glad you're ok, keep the content coming!
To really see what happened we need to look at slow speed footage and pay attention to the trail. There were 2 consecutive bumps, 1 small and the next one bigger. The wheel dipped after landing after the first bump and wasn't able to recover because there was another bump. Lessons: Don't ride a bloody HT wheel if you want to ride that fast. HT wheels are for lower speeds.
Subbed, love the honesty... riding the hs to work, 3 day hitting 56 km / hr now, think I'll get me some hip protection to add to my protection. Heal well, glad your ok 👍
I'm going to say suspension is definitely the future of EUC whether people want to admit it or not. As for this wreak I'm surprised a seasoned rider like yourself would blame this wheel for something you clearly misjudged the capability for. Obviously a non suspension wheel will not take to a high speed off road bumps like any suspension wheel will. Every wheel has its niche. Every wheel has its limitations and strengths.
Yes and city wheel's suspension so far has been proven to be efficient and lightweight as long as they avoid sliders. The 'batwheel' V10F with suspension is the best example for all the cobblestone and potholes I think. Still a city wheel with soft suspension is not an offroad wheel. You'll bottom out and rip the thing apart.
I'm a newer rider. But I was also wondering if this was a case of riding a smaller wheel too fast off road? I'm also in the camp of " you're riding hard when listening to music". That crash looked really painful too, hope you're okay chooch.
I'm glad you didn't get hurt bro!!!!You're an awesome skilled rider, no doubt!!, but that looks like rider error bro, not a cutout, not to much air in the tire. Like you said you got spoiled on S20, which says a lot about how nice suspension is on that wheel because you have way more hours riding non suspension wheel than suspension and in only 3 weeks off riding suspension s20 it has changed your riding style. Listening to 2 choochs at the same time is tough haha
Some of you say there were no beeps or that the wheel did cutoff. Well, it seems like the wheel was tilted forwards DURING AIRTIME. So it didn't cutoff neither it should beep. It was doing just fine, but it was overleaned during airtime, so it couldn't do anything in such a situation.
The wheel tilted forward during airtime but you can also notice that the wheel landed way behind him instead of under him as you'd expect. It means that the wheel didn't have enough capability to maintain its speed over this bump, like it would have without issue at a lower speed.
@@supercurioTube You should watch the moment around 1:22 at 0.25 playback speed. He actually did go airtime twice. When he was landing from the first airtime he bounced off the pedals and lost his balance. Wheel has handled it perfectly, but it has bounced as well and it went airtime along with him. Then he pushed the pedals down with his legs and this actually pushed the wheel behind him and tilted it forwards. When I watch this footage I'm actually impressed how well this HT wheel handles here. It seems like it has plenty of power and it handled everything perfectly. It it nothing to be improved in the wheel, it's just a human mistake. He was riding so fast that he bounced off the wheel after bump.
@@kilobak2297 other than hitting a bump at the max speed of the wheel I don't think chooch made any mistakes here. If you get airborne near the max speed and come down with the wheel behind you, as you would if you're trying to accelerate when you hit the bump, the instant power demand on landing to keep you upright is going to be insane, and it is no surprise the wheel couldn't do it.
@@chandler3034 I guess the wheel could handle it if it wouldn't be placed so far behind him at landing time. In the video, we can see him pushing the wheel back and tilting it forwards with his legs during the airtime. This is because it was already the second airtime (right after the first one) and he lost balance after the first airtime. Check it on video, he gone airtime twice in the row ;)
Literally all this did is sell me harder on the V12 HT. I am not a speed chaser but a fast 1-30mph chaser and like off road for mild riding but would never go that hard off road. Finally I don't enjoy the experience of suspension EUC's. Chooch normally you're on point but here you are blurring the lines between your personal preference and what the wheel was developed for. I don't want it to have suspension. As far as the glass screen, if it can be replaced it's no problem. I trust Inmotion over all other EUC brands, waterproofing and all. So I guess for the speed demon off roader, ANY non suspension euc doesn't fit the bill???
@@alvadagansta yep he praises the v12. Heck! I just bought the v12 for off-road based on choochs reviews alone so to say the v12 is not an off-road wheel is false
Really hard to listen to real time you and edited you. As far as Inmotion....I think they made a good solid wheel made for city riding primarily not off road. The S20 is very capable off road if you want that grab that. Different tools for different jobs. I think the v12 HT is aimed at overweight Americans doing hill tests 🤣
@@oscarviewz Same I hope he will learn, it's often it's ruining the viewing experience. All videos editors out here should have the ability to adjust the background track volume during voiceover.
Chooch, I understand high tyre pressure On road ,but off road you have to get that tyre pressure correct, that crash looked insane, you had the v12 at full limit 👏 dude. With high tyre pressure . Hope your OK.
Hey Chooch could you share a reframing of the 360 footage to show if it's a classic overlean/cutout, or if the cause is the tire digging into the soft ground on the bump? Edit: sorry it's already in the video at 1:21. The tire almost doesn't compress, doesn't seem to dig into the ground, and it's true that a bit lower pressure might have helped soften the blow. However it does look like overlean due to lack the high instantaneous torque and wheel acceleration required to handle this bump near max speed. The wheel kept spinning to try to regain balance as you fall forward but there wasn't enough headroom.
I was thinking it cutoff too, but I think that bump was so big, and the pressure was so high that he hit and bounced and while in the air the wheel just started rotating forward because it was in the air. I just got to part where he said it too. Lol. The wheel free spun in the air and cutoff at max speed. Lol I think we did the same thing trying to figure it out
@@ivanmorales3265 yes I agree we can talk about overlean but not cutoff since the wheel keeps trying to balance the whole time (as we can see from the trace on the ground) but can't due to lack of grip. However if the wheel had more safety & speed margin at that time, it would not have dipped forward while bouncing. Likewise if the riding speed had been lower (unknown how much), the available instantaneous torque would have been enough to bounce balanced and at the same speed as the rider instead of trailing behind.
@@supercurioTube Maybe. But how fast would it have got spinning while he was off the ground? I think it still might have cut the power because free spin happens so fast. I don't know if another 10 mph would have helped but it's definitely possible
@@ivanmorales3265 I looked again and what I see now is that the wheel slowed down more than him because of the bump. You see when they hit the bumps the wheel is under him, then progressively the wheel is behind him (no matter the tilt angle) That's ultimately the reason of the fall: the wheel unable to maintain its speed in this condition, as its energy was converted from forward to upwards. Only if the motor would have given loads of torque to re-accelerate forward the same it would have been avoided.
@@supercurioTube i disagree with the euc torque, there is just so much what physics allow. He ride over bump at too much speed without suspension. A lot of euc energy was damped by his body and tire. The wheel also had bad contact for some time (basically flying) - meaning it had not much grip. He lost that in a 2-3 tenths of seconds the wheel has very limited time to accelerate those lost km/h back. Suspension would be probably helpful because it would decouple the wheel and body. The damper would absorb most of the energy without really overstressing tire and his lower body. Therefore, only some energy would be absorbed by damper and less energy by body , tire so the wheel would lose less km/h which could be saved. Another problem is that he got his legs straight when the wheel fell into the pod so he got also little kicked out.
I think it's a good wheel for off road for most people. But of course you get what you pay. You can expect it to perform similarly as a suspension wheel with bigger tire that is 1k more expensive. Hope you heal well quickly.
Thanks for your reassuring comments about the crash and good to see that you weren’t too badly hurt. Mirrored your move yesterday on a V10f and broke my left pinky finger. The problems were high tyre pressures, uneven spot on the road, hustling along (feeling good 😎) but certainly at lower speeds than you. The wheel, thanks to its cover, looked like nothing had happened. There was still a destination to reach, so the ride continued at a more relaxed pace with, strangely, no anxiety about the next possible crash.
Nice crash Chooch! Happy that you got out okay. No hip protection? I swear I land on my left hip just about every time lol. Great that the jacket did its job even with just the level 1. The Leatt are tricky with the sliding... I don't know if you cross the straps at the back or not but might be worth looking into. Thanks for taking one for the team! I don't find the fall or crash shameful at all and it is a big thing you are doing for the community! Everyone should be grateful for you crashing the V12 like this. I wouldn't high speed off-road on it either. Slow speed technical sure! Heal up and ride safe!
Does crossing the 2 straps at the back of the shin helps keeping it from sliding down the leg? Mine keeps sliding down even taking out all the slack on the adjustment.
@@jameshwang4750 yes it does. They are not as comfortable to walk in but it keeps them from sliding. So worth crossing the middle and top straps. Will not slide
@@isthereanyfood For people who a prone to hip strikes, lots of people wear your basic sports type compression shorts with the hexagonal impact point pads on them - if you're just rolling around they'll take care of hip and quad strikes. Since they're attached/stitched on they don't shift really, which to me is more important than having the latest non-newtonian tech in there (now if I could get oobleck pads on the compression shorts, that's hella money).
It’s funny to watch this back after later videos, knowing Chooch likes this wheel a lot now. It’s just past the ability of the wheel, you gotta know what they have, and you can’t be mad at the wheel if you’re off-roading at max speed. Anything happens, you’ve overmaxed it and you are going down. I like high torque wheels, I’m much taller and heavier than Chooch and I live in the burbs and I’d get my wheel taken going 50 anyway. I like flying up hills, blasting from stops, and generally going 30 if anybody is looking so nobody can bitch too much.
I think incorrect pad placement contributed to this crash! When the wheel got air borne Chooch was weighting the front edge of the pedals due to body angle. If the back edge of the pads were placed to contact the back of his legs earlier the wheel would not have tipped forward into the cut-out position which caused full on forward flip. Just my two cents.
Hm, do wheels change rotation speed in mid-air based on angle as well? If that were the case, then your observation is on point, otherwise it would've cut out anyway.
So disappointed by this video. You know perfectly the wheels, with your skills you should have adjusted the stress to what the wheel is capable to deliver, and it would have been interesting to have your fair return on this wheel. Instead of that you ride full speed this wheel and complains there is no suspension on it. You know it cannot ride more than 37 mph and that there is no supsension. That is the deal. I mean, please just ride it of road in the 25 / 30 mph range, which is already huge for any random rider, take some jumps and bumps on it, corner it and whatnot, and tell us what it does and how it behaves, instead of destroying it right away.
It's a bit harsh - he said himself he was riding a bit faster than intended, both because of 'recent suspension model complacency' and the music, which always makes you go a bit faster. To err is human, and even the most experienced humans are gonna err sometimes.
Glad you’re ok man and what a great representation of wearing gear, right down to wrist guards! Coming from a MTB background for over 40yrs the suspension debate is that old. A rigid wheel has less off-road ability by nature and hence more care. Doesn’t mean you can’t ride off-road but you need to ride it differently. I have a hardtail and a full 5inch MTB on the same trails weekly. Both are fun just very different. That said travel in the ECU space will be super fun to watch as Suspension becomes the #1 topic on off-roading.
•On the video you looked for an excuse •analysing you’re still not admiring •it wasn’t a stone •it didn’t cutout •it was a tiny pothole •if you were focused you’d glide over it Only thing that failed was your vigilance, lack of competence, and confidence over the roughy BOY TOOK IT FOR GRANTED …🤦🏻♂️
Had a fall as well at around 40 on the pavement, hit a few small potholes when breaking. Fell and did a 180 slide, shit hurt pretty bad, had to stay still for a few minutes since my whole body was aching, and felt like I broke my finger. My upper body was fine since I got a nice motorcycle jacket, my hip got pretty nasty since I had no protection there. Other than that I was fine, but man I'm thankful for the gear I have.
Ouch! I dig your videos and Im glad your ok. I have the same Leatt knee pads as you, I bought them because they are what you ride. I did get my knee broosed when I went down with them on; whereas my 30 year old Pro Designed pads padded my knees much better in simular falls. The Pro Designed pads cost 2x more 30 yeats ago than the Leatt Cost today. I really like the Leatt neck brace though. It is very well thought out and protective at the same time as its comfrontable. Watching this video I wish you were wearing my Leatt neck brace, as I saw a lot of torque on your neck when you went down. One last thing. I used one of your links to put down a deposit on a S20 back in October, and I cant figgure out what company I have the reservation through. Any advice would be appriciated. If you promice you will wear a Leatt neck brace when you ride, Ill buy one for you.
I’m with you! I have a GotWay EXN and ate it after my wheel caught air and cut off. I ended up in the hospital due to road rash and plastic brake light glass was in my leg. Glad to see your ok. Best of luck
Cutout at 37 on a torque wheel from a massive bump? Sounds like par for the course. RS19 HTs with bigger wheels cut out at 38-40 with the slightest road variation.
@@choochtech not convinced a change in PSI would have helped with the hole you hit, wheel would have been stopped in just the same way at any pressure, lower pressure would help smooth out little rocks or cracks in the ground etc, but a hole like what you hit, lower pressure isnt going to help Edit, lower pressure can also help with grip on loose surface, but again not with dealing with big ruts that the whole wheel can drop into
Dawm Chooch Dawg!! 😮 glad you’re ok after this bad crash. I know what is like to jam out to your fav track. Music is crazy and it makes you push the limits
Chooch, thanks always for doing what you do to give us the best info on all these machines. Glad it wasn't worst and that you still standing. LETS GOOOOOOO
12:41 I can understand Chooch what You' re saying, but what about those people who just want to start to ride? The whole EUC market is going forward with those who ride for 5-7 years, but what about new starter wheels? For normal price and also safe wheels under 25-30 mph speed? Why can't we see modern, new starter wheels under 2000 USD or 2000 Euro? What do you think about that? What do you thing about the market should be focusing on new riders also not only experienced ones, not only high speed wheels? Thank you for the video, it was very enjoyable, even though sometimes it was hard to understand when you were speaking simultaneously.
Start vid at 0:59, pause at 1:00. You can see the wheel pedal-dipped out. Like chooch visibly did manage to absorb the shock of the bump he impacted and stay on the wheel but the pedal dip turned into 40degree slanting yet more before chooch went into survival mode. That's a wheel cutout! And with KS speed limiting wheels 15 mph discounted the capabilities of the batteries, it appears a mix of firmware or may include missed beats from a hall sensor at critical timing. Bottom line, the wheel could not handle near full speed terrain. As for on-road terrain, potholes can be bigger than what chooch hit. Refusing to sell him a V13? Who wants a V13 after all that lack of acknowledgement and foul response?
I can't believe I flipped my Range Rover taking a curve at 60 mph. My Porsche would have taken that curve no problem. They should stop making Rovers! New unfamiliar machine + Over confidence + lack of attention + riding at the machine's limits = Pain. It's supposed to hurt. A good reminder for us all. Hope you are ok!
Glad your ok It’s crazy how the human body is able to flop around and be ok for the most part Dude queen … great band they rock I would have been jamming on that wheel as well haha Thanks for sharing man! It’s good to know even you can fall, your a human just like the rest of us!!! Whoooo
Looks like overlean(overpower) too mutch speed for HT motor and bump = problem. 🚀 Safe speed be around 25MPH (40km/h) for me HT EUC is best im not speed demon and i love how efectively HT motor work around 20km/h.
I guess there's no way to really know the answer to this, but how many people are racing their wheels (E.g., Apple Valley)? So I disagree with your assessment that high-torque wheels shouldn't be made unless they can go 45+mph. Choice in the market is good. If you can't ride within the envelop of a given wheel, then buy a different wheel (stick with the high-speed version of the V12).
Seeing this crash and Marty's MCM5 video... I am hoping as a newbie that I will not go faster than the MCM5 that I just ordered. That's as fast as I want to go! Get well soon Chooch!
3,500 miles on my 12. ALWAYS- wear a helmet and pads, scout your path before you go all out, run about 30-35 psi, set your limiter alarms, and keep up your maintenance.
At 5:08 sounds like you are saying the regular V-12 would not have acted this way. Also, later I hear on one audio track that you are continuously "riding the beeps". Know you were pissed in the moment after the crash, but can't therefore place all blame on the wheel; it tried to warn you. Different horses for different courses, (eg S-22 for off road) so this, and the known speed limits of the V12 HT, are the parameters that got tested. With some unpleasant, but not unpredictable, results. Very sorry for your accident, hopefully no hip pain or other injuries.... For higher speed and off road, obvious choice is the +$1,000 wheel. Thanks for reminding me to listen to the beeps.
Wow hope your ok brother. Your gonna really feel that tomorrow. The bigger problem is how your body is gonna feel when your my age!!(52) I watch your vids and my knees hurt!! LoL I get my first Euc lesson on Saturday and because of your vids I was gonna get the v12. We’ll see how it pans out. My wife don’t like the idea. Best to you Chooch!! God bless 🙏
great footage of your crash Chooch! i learn something each time, thanks Paw Paw ointment is a really good remedy for gravel rash, it cleans the wound and soothes, its good for burns too lols I agree, Suspension wheels are safer. please wear the neck brace from now on when riding the country tracks. The brain damage is accumulative, with each hit to the head. the euc community needs you to be safe. anyways dude, take care Hugs from Mel
Sure beats going over the handlebars or taking a bar-end in the chest. I branded my leg with a red-hot brake disc one time LOL I totally get what you mean, that S20 looks a like totally different experience. The emotional hit is the worse, so undeserved.
100% on you with protection. You need to be always on safe side and personally will have to work on my gear. These are the type of situations that you dont want to get into (been there). No realistic amount of torque would save you there. From my point of view there was no cutoff. The wheel was powered until the very end (you can see the traces). The problem is that you were driving too fast for that tire pressure and non-suspension wheel on a rough track. It got into the pod, your knees straightened and in the bump kicked you up. During this process the wheel lost a lot of speed because of your body damping and moving to front. The wheel was substantial time in the air and without support so there was no grip. I saw a video of a guy falling similarly with S20 on stairs. There are physical limits and we need to know about them. Suspension wheel would help a lot and probably absorb that bump but its also not invincible.
I was just riding my v12 ht stock no pads on a trail pretty heavy and this happened to me I am lucky I grabbed the shoes you recommended because I would be in surgery with out them no doubt i cracked my screen on this one and was already waiting on tools for trolley handle so a big repair coming up some how got the machine to turn on with a broken screen not sure if I trust it to turn on again
They should have different recommendations of tire pressure per riding style. Casuals street riding, amateur slow trails riding styles would be a different pressure than extreme off-roading or extreme street riding styles like @choochtech likes to ride.
I've had small blue and red indicator lights showing up on my battery screen. And sometimes it won't turn off, the wheel is off, the battery light and indicator lights stay on for a short while. What would this indicate?
I'd really like to hear your thoughts on how to crash at that speed and survive. Of all the crashes I've seen you seem to crash more skillfully but I can't place exactly how that is.
hope that everything is well, I would like to also try EUC but no budget yet, while waiting for some luck, I always watch EUC reviews and Inmotion V12 is my bet but after seeing this I will continue watching for reviews for the meantime, thank you for sharing this review this is helpful for people like me interested in euc 👍👍👍 stay safe
Oh stop it chooch! Its great for off road! You goin 37mph, high tire pressure, and no sus expect that to happen. That was all your fault! Lol. Fix the problems then test again bet you get a better ride! 🤦🏽♂️
This reminds me of when I got my 16X and crashed it the first day. First day switching to a new wheel is kind of dangerous 😅 also definitely gotta strap the Leatts pretty tight to keep them in place, makes me wonder if they're really a better choice than good skateboard kneepads
I think the pads job is only to soften the initial impact. The slide is a separate responsibility. All the good motorcycle gear is leather or abrasion resistant material, and the impact projection pads are on the inside. For them to work they need to be tight tight. That's the only way unless you wear leather/abrasion resistant material and put the pads on the outside.
Protective gear is a MUST. All riders PLEASE don’t wait for a fall to wear your gear. The other thing I’ve learned throughout my years of riding is that High Torque wheel takes off harder and breaking is superior to non HT wheels. Another great point Chooch Dawg mentioned is that High Speed wheels 40+MPH , A Suspension can save you from a fall when you hit dips or potholes on bad roads or dirt trails. Learning how to read the road that’s in front of you can help a lot .
hey you used to have an mcm5 right? I have the mcm5 v2 and was wondering what's the actual safe limits? when is 80% alarm reached? what's a safe speed to travel at? generally ive set my alarm and tiltback to be 24mph even though the advertised speed is 27mph after a bad crash, and I usually cruise somewhat below that so like 18-23mph. is that too conservative?
All said and done, here’s a really good reason why you wear all of your protective gear because stuff can and will happen. So even though we might Not like what happens at least you were protected which is the upside. You get to go home with no broken bones and you can ride another day.
Hi Chooch, I really like your videos and I want to hear everything you have to say, so after I listen to your voiceover, I rewind the video and watch it again to listen to what you said to the camera. Could you maybe post a link in the video description with the camera audio to make it easier to hear? It's just kind of confusing to hear you saying two things at once
hey bro, nice to hear about the S20 being good. Looking to move to EUC but with the recent fire, hoping they sorting that out. advice on videos, if you're going to talk over the recording where you also talk, mute it out.. gets a little confuses which to listen to.
You are so used to the KS suspension, 43 mph speeds and overall higher performance of the S22 (S20) that I think it would take a few days just to get used to riding the v12 again. Glad your ok!
I destroyed my 11th insta 360 one R mod in this video
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Nash you are a legend, thank you dude!
Could only give a little, but it all adds up... glad you are ok
@@choochtech No problem.
why not get lens guards lol
I would go with Gopro Max ;) , tested both for some time and Insta is kind of bad in any scenerio ;) . But yeah... one silly crash can be super expensive , I know it Man ...🍕🍻
37 mph on a wheel that goes 37 on bumpy roads…didn’t see that happening haha
exactly, totally expected
Yeah, imagine that LOL
So you got spoiled with suspension and forgot how to ride with just leg shocks, and now you're blaming the wheel? Spend some more time getting used to it and compare apples to apples. At least the V12 didn't burst into flames
No, it's that he caught too much airtime and the wheel was able free spin to a cutout speed. When I ride my Shermax at 30mph and hit a big bump it allows to the wheel to free spin up to 40mph in half a second and activate my speed alarm.
@@HuyTran-sk3py Good point. I feel like this will be a challenge for anyone that likes to jump their eucs or do offroading. WIthout the resistance one the wheel it just gets to speed up to its limits and causes shutoffs and thus these types of scenarios. Curious how the EUC industry will try to deal with this issue. I think we will see some great work and refinement done in the area of suspension wheels within the next couple of years.
@@_x_yujin maybe adding accelerometer data? You are not connected to the ground, but you DID just forcibly lift at speed upward (hop) whilst moving at speed forwards (drive).
@@_x_yujin yes, these wheel manufacturers need to buy some engineering to counter wheel hop immediately, and retroactively
100% rider fault.
100%
He said it was his fault.
He said it
He did lol. Doom Auses🤦♂️
what a beta comment is not even funny >.
I like your trail riding videos but your 'reviews' just suck. Like you said, this was the first time a new wheel underperformed your previous one, but why should they always overperform? You got overconfident, rode at the max speed offroad, made a simple mistake, crashed and then bashed the wheel for not providing more than it was designed for. Every wheel has different strengths and weaknesses and not taking note of those will make you eat dirt. It's a weird thing to be disappointed with something you don't know how to ride appropriately yet.
Most honest comment here. Thanks 🙏
I agree
Exactly this!
Yeah i don't think the wheels performance had anything to do with this.
Chooch love videos but when editing do not have yourself talking over yourself it's incredibly hard to follow.
Agreed. I paused at minute 4 to comment the same.
Idem
bit confused at this one. Glad you are OK first and foremost! Not sure the wheel underperformed vs asking too much from it. I do agree that suspension wheels are prob more safe in this scenario. But riding any wheel at its limits in any situation can turn into this exact scenario. Not sure you can blame the wheel or what it was designed for. All wheels have a max capacity that lead to doom if they hit it. The same could have happened on a suspension/more powerful wheel. Albeit less likely. But i have watched people cut off every wheel out there.. even the most robust.
I agree
Yeah the exact limit on the high ht version is 37 so so he should not of been riding 37 off-road where it’s constantly bumps and change of elevation
Bingo. High speeds are for C30 motors, not that.
@@Ubeogesh exactly and it still goes fast goes faster than the V11 37 mph for a high torque model for 2200 that’s a good deal in my opinion
100% certain that the wheel did all it could and should. Suspension could possibly help but also not granted. 2 things:
- The wheel lost a lot of energy when going over that bump. It means that the wheel instantaneously slowed down but his body wasnt. No wheel could counter this situation. Every wheel needs some time / distance and grip to get back those km/h lost (he didnt have that when falling). You just need to ride safe and maybe suspension would help as only par of that energy would be absorber by damper without much body dampening. Here the energy was absorbed by tire and then by the body.
- His knees got straight when the wheel got into the pod and then he was kicked from the wheel
The V12 ht is fast enough for most people. On a mountainbike trail in a dense forrest you won't go faster than 30 mph. The V12 isn't meant for high speeds.
I agree, if I would have gone west towards the hills my opinion would likely be vastly different. I was linking some trails to go get food down in the metro area. Should have stayed on the trails.
I run 20-25 even it can do 35-40
The regular V12 goes 43 Miles per hour, it is meant for speed. It's that it's not a suspension wheel so going fast on bumpy surfaces like which Chooch did here can cost you.
@@curtflirt2 zoom.
Yeah I play it safe. Crash once like him going superman. WEAR YOUR GEARS
@@almondjoy590
You smart Dude.
Me too
It did not cut off, when you picked it up after the crash it was on! It was 100% your fault going too fast when the road is so bumpy.
37 MPH on HT motor, well that dip was expected.
This is an off road wheel. It's not a 37 MPH wheel.
Funny thing is, in chioch video for v11 and s18, he said beginners should not get them wheels as a first wheel cause they will develop bad habits that will hurt them on non suspension wheel
Karma huh?
@@kiftorres4903 karma wouldn't be the word I'd used. The word I would select is complacency.
Damn bro, that was a pretty gnarly crash. Btw, you have nothing to be embarrassed about, you're pushing these unproven EUC's so we can all make informed decisions. Glad you're ok, keep the content coming!
To really see what happened we need to look at slow speed footage and pay attention to the trail. There were 2 consecutive bumps, 1 small and the next one bigger.
The wheel dipped after landing after the first bump and wasn't able to recover because there was another bump.
Lessons: Don't ride a bloody HT wheel if you want to ride that fast. HT wheels are for lower speeds.
HT?
Subbed, love the honesty... riding the hs to work, 3 day hitting 56 km / hr now, think I'll get me some hip protection to add to my protection. Heal well, glad your ok 👍
I'm going to say suspension is definitely the future of EUC whether people want to admit it or not. As for this wreak I'm surprised a seasoned rider like yourself would blame this wheel for something you clearly misjudged the capability for. Obviously a non suspension wheel will not take to a high speed off road bumps like any suspension wheel will. Every wheel has its niche. Every wheel has its limitations and strengths.
Yes and city wheel's suspension so far has been proven to be efficient and lightweight as long as they avoid sliders. The 'batwheel' V10F with suspension is the best example for all the cobblestone and potholes I think. Still a city wheel with soft suspension is not an offroad wheel. You'll bottom out and rip the thing apart.
I'm a newer rider. But I was also wondering if this was a case of riding a smaller wheel too fast off road?
I'm also in the camp of " you're riding hard when listening to music".
That crash looked really painful too, hope you're okay chooch.
I had to see the footage to see what happend, I thought it cut out right after
I'm glad you didn't get hurt bro!!!!You're an awesome skilled rider, no doubt!!, but that looks like rider error bro, not a cutout, not to much air in the tire.
Like you said you got spoiled on S20, which says a lot about how nice suspension is on that wheel because you have way more hours riding non suspension wheel than suspension and in only 3 weeks off riding suspension s20 it has changed your riding style.
Listening to 2 choochs at the same time is tough haha
Thanks for all the honesty. You are appreciated!! It REALLY hurt to watch this, but... it's a wake up all for us all. I hope your body is ok.
Some of you say there were no beeps or that the wheel did cutoff.
Well, it seems like the wheel was tilted forwards DURING AIRTIME. So it didn't cutoff neither it should beep. It was doing just fine, but it was overleaned during airtime, so it couldn't do anything in such a situation.
The wheel tilted forward during airtime but you can also notice that the wheel landed way behind him instead of under him as you'd expect.
It means that the wheel didn't have enough capability to maintain its speed over this bump, like it would have without issue at a lower speed.
@@supercurioTube You should watch the moment around 1:22 at 0.25 playback speed. He actually did go airtime twice. When he was landing from the first airtime he bounced off the pedals and lost his balance. Wheel has handled it perfectly, but it has bounced as well and it went airtime along with him. Then he pushed the pedals down with his legs and this actually pushed the wheel behind him and tilted it forwards.
When I watch this footage I'm actually impressed how well this HT wheel handles here. It seems like it has plenty of power and it handled everything perfectly. It it nothing to be improved in the wheel, it's just a human mistake. He was riding so fast that he bounced off the wheel after bump.
@@kilobak2297 other than hitting a bump at the max speed of the wheel I don't think chooch made any mistakes here. If you get airborne near the max speed and come down with the wheel behind you, as you would if you're trying to accelerate when you hit the bump, the instant power demand on landing to keep you upright is going to be insane, and it is no surprise the wheel couldn't do it.
@@chandler3034 I guess the wheel could handle it if it wouldn't be placed so far behind him at landing time. In the video, we can see him pushing the wheel back and tilting it forwards with his legs during the airtime. This is because it was already the second airtime (right after the first one) and he lost balance after the first airtime. Check it on video, he gone airtime twice in the row ;)
Literally all this did is sell me harder on the V12 HT. I am not a speed chaser but a fast 1-30mph chaser and like off road for mild riding but would never go that hard off road. Finally I don't enjoy the experience of suspension EUC's. Chooch normally you're on point but here you are blurring the lines between your personal preference and what the wheel was developed for. I don't want it to have suspension. As far as the glass screen, if it can be replaced it's no problem. I trust Inmotion over all other EUC brands, waterproofing and all. So I guess for the speed demon off roader, ANY non suspension euc doesn't fit the bill???
You're right, he's still off roading with the V12 HT. If you look at his newer videos, he seems to love the V12 HT for off roading.
@@alvadagansta yep he praises the v12. Heck! I just bought the v12 for off-road based on choochs reviews alone so to say the v12 is not an off-road wheel is false
Really hard to listen to real time you and edited you.
As far as Inmotion....I think they made a good solid wheel made for city riding primarily not off road. The S20 is very capable off road if you want that grab that. Different tools for different jobs. I think the v12 HT is aimed at overweight Americans doing hill tests 🤣
Yes, please let yourself talk in the video and then continue with your voice-over. It is very hard to listen to both dialogs at the same time.
@@oscarviewz Same I hope he will learn, it's often it's ruining the viewing experience.
All videos editors out here should have the ability to adjust the background track volume during voiceover.
Ouch lol
Thanks for showing it. These videos help me stay with my ebike and motorcycles. I will not mess with things that require a lot of tech to keep upright
Chooch, I understand high tyre pressure On road ,but off road you have to get that tyre pressure correct, that crash looked insane, you had the v12 at full limit 👏 dude. With high tyre pressure . Hope your OK.
There are 2 Choochs in this video
Hey Chooch could you share a reframing of the 360 footage to show if it's a classic overlean/cutout, or if the cause is the tire digging into the soft ground on the bump?
Edit: sorry it's already in the video at 1:21. The tire almost doesn't compress, doesn't seem to dig into the ground, and it's true that a bit lower pressure might have helped soften the blow.
However it does look like overlean due to lack the high instantaneous torque and wheel acceleration required to handle this bump near max speed.
The wheel kept spinning to try to regain balance as you fall forward but there wasn't enough headroom.
I was thinking it cutoff too, but I think that bump was so big, and the pressure was so high that he hit and bounced and while in the air the wheel just started rotating forward because it was in the air.
I just got to part where he said it too. Lol. The wheel free spun in the air and cutoff at max speed.
Lol I think we did the same thing trying to figure it out
@@ivanmorales3265 yes I agree we can talk about overlean but not cutoff since the wheel keeps trying to balance the whole time (as we can see from the trace on the ground) but can't due to lack of grip.
However if the wheel had more safety & speed margin at that time, it would not have dipped forward while bouncing.
Likewise if the riding speed had been lower (unknown how much), the available instantaneous torque would have been enough to bounce balanced and at the same speed as the rider instead of trailing behind.
@@supercurioTube Maybe. But how fast would it have got spinning while he was off the ground? I think it still might have cut the power because free spin happens so fast. I don't know if another 10 mph would have helped but it's definitely possible
@@ivanmorales3265 I looked again and what I see now is that the wheel slowed down more than him because of the bump.
You see when they hit the bumps the wheel is under him, then progressively the wheel is behind him (no matter the tilt angle)
That's ultimately the reason of the fall: the wheel unable to maintain its speed in this condition, as its energy was converted from forward to upwards. Only if the motor would have given loads of torque to re-accelerate forward the same it would have been avoided.
@@supercurioTube i disagree with the euc torque, there is just so much what physics allow. He ride over bump at too much speed without suspension. A lot of euc energy was damped by his body and tire. The wheel also had bad contact for some time (basically flying) - meaning it had not much grip. He lost that in a 2-3 tenths of seconds the wheel has very limited time to accelerate those lost km/h back. Suspension would be probably helpful because it would decouple the wheel and body. The damper would absorb most of the energy without really overstressing tire and his lower body. Therefore, only some energy would be absorbed by damper and less energy by body , tire so the wheel would lose less km/h which could be saved.
Another problem is that he got his legs straight when the wheel fell into the pod so he got also little kicked out.
I'm so happy to see that you not just walked away from the crash but rode away from it! BRAVO!
I think it's a good wheel for off road for most people. But of course you get what you pay. You can expect it to perform similarly as a suspension wheel with bigger tire that is 1k more expensive. Hope you heal well quickly.
Thanks for your reassuring comments about the crash and good to see that you weren’t too badly hurt. Mirrored your move yesterday on a V10f and broke my left pinky finger. The problems were high tyre pressures, uneven spot on the road, hustling along (feeling good 😎) but certainly at lower speeds than you. The wheel, thanks to its cover, looked like nothing had happened. There was still a destination to reach, so the ride continued at a more relaxed pace with, strangely, no anxiety about the next possible crash.
Nice crash Chooch! Happy that you got out okay. No hip protection? I swear I land on my left hip just about every time lol. Great that the jacket did its job even with just the level 1. The Leatt are tricky with the sliding... I don't know if you cross the straps at the back or not but might be worth looking into.
Thanks for taking one for the team! I don't find the fall or crash shameful at all and it is a big thing you are doing for the community! Everyone should be grateful for you crashing the V12 like this. I wouldn't high speed off-road on it either. Slow speed technical sure! Heal up and ride safe!
Does crossing the 2 straps at the back of the shin helps keeping it from sliding down the leg? Mine keeps sliding down even taking out all the slack on the adjustment.
@@jameshwang4750 yes it does. They are not as comfortable to walk in but it keeps them from sliding. So worth crossing the middle and top straps. Will not slide
@@jameshwang4750 It will still slide down a bit. I will take a closer look next time I met up with my friend Zebastian.
@@isthereanyfood For people who a prone to hip strikes, lots of people wear your basic sports type compression shorts with the hexagonal impact point pads on them - if you're just rolling around they'll take care of hip and quad strikes. Since they're attached/stitched on they don't shift really, which to me is more important than having the latest non-newtonian tech in there (now if I could get oobleck pads on the compression shorts, that's hella money).
It’s funny to watch this back after later videos, knowing Chooch likes this wheel a lot now. It’s just past the ability of the wheel, you gotta know what they have, and you can’t be mad at the wheel if you’re off-roading at max speed. Anything happens, you’ve overmaxed it and you are going down. I like high torque wheels, I’m much taller and heavier than Chooch and I live in the burbs and I’d get my wheel taken going 50 anyway. I like flying up hills, blasting from stops, and generally going 30 if anybody is looking so nobody can bitch too much.
I think incorrect pad placement contributed to this crash! When the wheel got air borne Chooch was weighting the front edge of the pedals due to body angle. If the back edge of the pads were placed to contact the back of his legs earlier the wheel would not have tipped forward into the cut-out position which caused full on forward flip. Just my two cents.
Hm, do wheels change rotation speed in mid-air based on angle as well? If that were the case, then your observation is on point, otherwise it would've cut out anyway.
So disappointed by this video. You know perfectly the wheels, with your skills you should have adjusted the stress to what the wheel is capable to deliver, and it would have been interesting to have your fair return on this wheel. Instead of that you ride full speed this wheel and complains there is no suspension on it. You know it cannot ride more than 37 mph and that there is no supsension. That is the deal. I mean, please just ride it of road in the 25 / 30 mph range, which is already huge for any random rider, take some jumps and bumps on it, corner it and whatnot, and tell us what it does and how it behaves, instead of destroying it right away.
Thx
It's a bit harsh - he said himself he was riding a bit faster than intended, both because of 'recent suspension model complacency' and the music, which always makes you go a bit faster. To err is human, and even the most experienced humans are gonna err sometimes.
You basically just hit a curb at full speed on a 16inch wheel. Glad you're ok 👍🏻.
Glad you’re ok man and what a great representation of wearing gear, right down to wrist guards!
Coming from a MTB background for over 40yrs the suspension debate is that old. A rigid wheel has less off-road ability by nature and hence more care. Doesn’t mean you can’t ride off-road but you need to ride it differently. I have a hardtail and a full 5inch MTB on the same trails weekly. Both are fun just very different.
That said travel in the ECU space will be super fun to watch as Suspension becomes the #1 topic on off-roading.
•On the video you looked for an excuse
•analysing you’re still not admiring
•it wasn’t a stone
•it didn’t cutout
•it was a tiny pothole
•if you were focused you’d glide over it
Only thing that failed was your vigilance, lack of competence, and confidence over the roughy
BOY TOOK IT FOR GRANTED …🤦🏻♂️
Fact
ET go home
Had a fall as well at around 40 on the pavement, hit a few small potholes when breaking. Fell and did a 180 slide, shit hurt pretty bad, had to stay still for a few minutes since my whole body was aching, and felt like I broke my finger. My upper body was fine since I got a nice motorcycle jacket, my hip got pretty nasty since I had no protection there. Other than that I was fine, but man I'm thankful for the gear I have.
Ouch! I dig your videos and Im glad your ok. I have the same Leatt knee pads as you, I bought them because they are what you ride. I did get my knee broosed when I went down with them on; whereas my 30 year old Pro Designed pads padded my knees much better in simular falls. The Pro Designed pads cost 2x more 30 yeats ago than the Leatt Cost today. I really like the Leatt neck brace though. It is very well thought out and protective at the same time as its comfrontable. Watching this video I wish you were wearing my Leatt neck brace, as I saw a lot of torque on your neck when you went down. One last thing. I used one of your links to put down a deposit on a S20 back in October, and I cant figgure out what company I have the reservation through. Any advice would be appriciated. If you promice you will wear a Leatt neck brace when you ride, Ill buy one for you.
I’m with you! I have a GotWay EXN and ate it after my wheel caught air and cut off. I ended up in the hospital due to road rash and plastic brake light glass was in my leg. Glad to see your ok. Best of luck
Really nice to listen when you leave 2 audio tracks on at the same time and you are talking at both of them.
Looks like you lost balance just before the bump. Good reminder that you can crash these things. Hope you are ok
Most important protective gear for EUC in order. #1____. And go...
Cutout at 37 on a torque wheel from a massive bump? Sounds like par for the course. RS19 HTs with bigger wheels cut out at 38-40 with the slightest road variation.
Yep only way is to lower psi. The high psi is a big contribution to this. The wheel feels bad with that high of psi
@@choochtech just glad you lived to tell the tale man!
@@choochtech not convinced a change in PSI would have helped with the hole you hit, wheel would have been stopped in just the same way at any pressure, lower pressure would help smooth out little rocks or cracks in the ground etc, but a hole like what you hit, lower pressure isnt going to help
Edit, lower pressure can also help with grip on loose surface, but again not with dealing with big ruts that the whole wheel can drop into
@@Fromatic well it did 40 to 25 night and day
Ngl, that view with the sand like that, so sick (you seemed ok so that’s good)
What wheel do you prefer more S20 or V12 and why ? :)
Dawm Chooch Dawg!! 😮 glad you’re ok after this bad crash. I know what is like to jam out to your fav track. Music is crazy and it makes you push the limits
Chooch, thanks always for doing what you do to give us the best info on all these machines. Glad it wasn't worst and that you still standing. LETS GOOOOOOO
Now that I come back to this, this video really sells the lazyRolling Jackets more than anything.
yea, they work
Looks like you screwed up. If you were riding to conditions and the type of wheel you'd probably get away with it. Glad you're ok though.
12:41 I can understand Chooch what You' re saying, but what about those people who just want to start to ride? The whole EUC market is going forward with those who ride for 5-7 years, but what about new starter wheels? For normal price and also safe wheels under 25-30 mph speed? Why can't we see modern, new starter wheels under 2000 USD or 2000 Euro? What do you think about that? What do you thing about the market should be focusing on new riders also not only experienced ones, not only high speed wheels? Thank you for the video, it was very enjoyable, even though sometimes it was hard to understand when you were speaking simultaneously.
No broken bones. Good to go. Ride on. Awesome video.
Start vid at 0:59, pause at 1:00. You can see the wheel pedal-dipped out. Like chooch visibly did manage to absorb the shock of the bump he impacted and stay on the wheel but the pedal dip turned into 40degree slanting yet more before chooch went into survival mode.
That's a wheel cutout!
And with KS speed limiting wheels 15 mph discounted the capabilities of the batteries, it appears a mix of firmware or may include missed beats from a hall sensor at critical timing. Bottom line, the wheel could not handle near full speed terrain. As for on-road terrain, potholes can be bigger than what chooch hit. Refusing to sell him a V13? Who wants a V13 after all that lack of acknowledgement and foul response?
I'm gonna get this wheel! Looks perfect!
She are glad that you made it out of that crash okay try to keep yourself safe young man.
I can't believe I flipped my Range Rover taking a curve at 60 mph. My Porsche would have taken that curve no problem. They should stop making Rovers!
New unfamiliar machine + Over confidence + lack of attention + riding at the machine's limits = Pain. It's supposed to hurt. A good reminder for us all. Hope you are ok!
Get well soon! 💪
This is why I armored up when I ride stay safe 😎👍💯
Why is the v12 any worse than any other non-suspension wheel for off road?
You’re saying the problem started with not having suspension right?
you have to do a review on little wheels and find the max speed
I hear what you're saying about listening to music. Iron Maiden Aces High is my scooter riding tune.
Bro.....be careful.....You make my favorite euc videos to watch.
Glad your ok
It’s crazy how the human body is able to flop around and be ok for the most part
Dude queen … great band they rock I would have been jamming on that wheel as well haha
Thanks for sharing man! It’s good to know even you can fall, your a human just like the rest of us!!! Whoooo
get well soon brother
Looks like overlean(overpower) too mutch speed for HT motor and bump = problem. 🚀 Safe speed be around 25MPH (40km/h) for me HT EUC is best im not speed demon and i love how efectively HT motor work around 20km/h.
I guess there's no way to really know the answer to this, but how many people are racing their wheels (E.g., Apple Valley)? So I disagree with your assessment that high-torque wheels shouldn't be made unless they can go 45+mph. Choice in the market is good. If you can't ride within the envelop of a given wheel, then buy a different wheel (stick with the high-speed version of the V12).
Seeing this crash and Marty's MCM5 video...
I am hoping as a newbie that I will not go faster
than the MCM5 that I just ordered. That's as fast as I want to go!
Get well soon Chooch!
3,500 miles on my 12. ALWAYS- wear a helmet and pads, scout your path before you go all out, run about 30-35 psi, set your limiter alarms, and keep up your maintenance.
At 5:08 sounds like you are saying the regular V-12 would not have acted this way. Also, later I hear on one audio track that you are continuously "riding the beeps". Know you were pissed in the moment after the crash, but can't therefore place all blame on the wheel; it tried to warn you. Different horses for different courses, (eg S-22 for off road) so this, and the known speed limits of the V12 HT, are the parameters that got tested. With some unpleasant, but not unpredictable, results. Very sorry for your accident, hopefully no hip pain or other injuries.... For higher speed and off road, obvious choice is the +$1,000 wheel. Thanks for reminding me to listen to the beeps.
Wow hope your ok brother. Your gonna really feel that tomorrow. The bigger problem is how your body is gonna feel when your my age!!(52) I watch your vids and my knees hurt!! LoL
I get my first Euc lesson on Saturday and because of your vids I was gonna get the v12. We’ll see how it pans out. My wife don’t like the idea. Best to you Chooch!! God bless 🙏
I'm 45, my wife doesn't like it either but I told her she needs to get one to understand
@@MidTownSnipers_VHP same, but i am 64
Tylenol or Paracetamol will be your best friend
for the next few days Chooch. Be safe and get well soon!
great footage of your crash Chooch! i learn something each time, thanks
Paw Paw ointment is a really good remedy for gravel rash, it cleans the wound and soothes, its good for burns too lols
I agree, Suspension wheels are safer. please wear the neck brace from now on when riding the country tracks. The brain damage is accumulative, with each hit to the head. the euc community needs you to be safe. anyways dude, take care Hugs from Mel
I really appreciate your honesty, sir.
Sure beats going over the handlebars or taking a bar-end in the chest. I branded my leg with a red-hot brake disc one time LOL
I totally get what you mean, that S20 looks a like totally different experience.
The emotional hit is the worse, so undeserved.
100% on you with protection. You need to be always on safe side and personally will have to work on my gear.
These are the type of situations that you dont want to get into (been there). No realistic amount of torque would save you there.
From my point of view there was no cutoff. The wheel was powered until the very end (you can see the traces). The problem is that you were driving too fast for that tire pressure and non-suspension wheel on a rough track. It got into the pod, your knees straightened and in the bump kicked you up. During this process the wheel lost a lot of speed because of your body damping and moving to front. The wheel was substantial time in the air and without support so there was no grip. I saw a video of a guy falling similarly with S20 on stairs. There are physical limits and we need to know about them. Suspension wheel would help a lot and probably absorb that bump but its also not invincible.
Suspension is a safety feature at speeds above 30mph+, especially off-road.
I was just riding my v12 ht stock no pads on a trail pretty heavy and this happened to me I am lucky I grabbed the shoes you recommended because I would be in surgery with out them no doubt i cracked my screen on this one and was already waiting on tools for trolley handle so a big repair coming up some how got the machine to turn on with a broken screen not sure if I trust it to turn on again
Wow. That was big. Keep taking care of yourself.
Are you sure you weren't listening to 'Another one bites the dust' from Queen? Jokes aside, I hope viewers realise the importance of safety gear now!
Damn chooch, you really effed up that wheel.. I put crash bars on mine, I could throw it off a cliff and it would just cartwheel with minimal damage
An accelerometer + software could be used to detect how off road you are and limit the speed. Can help them add this if they want
They should have different recommendations of tire pressure per riding style.
Casuals street riding, amateur slow trails riding styles would be a different pressure than extreme off-roading or extreme street riding styles like @choochtech likes to ride.
That was a rough landing! Glad you’re ok! Always wondered whether the gyro might cut off the wheel while airborne. Thanks for sharing with us.
I've had small blue and red indicator lights showing up on my battery screen. And sometimes it won't turn off, the wheel is off, the battery light and indicator lights stay on for a short while. What would this indicate?
I'd really like to hear your thoughts on how to crash at that speed and survive.
Of all the crashes I've seen you seem to crash more skillfully but I can't place exactly how that is.
hope that everything is well, I would like to also try EUC but no budget yet, while waiting for some luck, I always watch EUC reviews and Inmotion V12 is my bet but after seeing this I will continue watching for reviews for the meantime, thank you for sharing this review this is helpful for people like me interested in euc 👍👍👍 stay safe
Chooch talking over Chooch. Who do I listen to?😄 Glad your OK.
That was gnarly dude!
Bro It's hard to here 2 of you at once
Good to see your ok
Were there any beeps or tilt-back when you were riding it?
06:35 speaks volumes. That's why I gear up.
Dude I hope all is well...ride safe og 🙏🏽
That was an impressive fall... I hope you're ok.
Oh stop it chooch! Its great for off road! You goin 37mph, high tire pressure, and no sus expect that to happen. That was all your fault! Lol. Fix the problems then test again bet you get a better ride! 🤦🏽♂️
Bad review ,same as his video editing
crazy dude! you definitely dress for the ride tho and thats whats up! glad youre ok, sucks about the v12
Man you push the wheels to their limits 😂 glad you okay
This reminds me of when I got my 16X and crashed it the first day. First day switching to a new wheel is kind of dangerous 😅
also definitely gotta strap the Leatts pretty tight to keep them in place, makes me wonder if they're really a better choice than good skateboard kneepads
I think the pads job is only to soften the initial impact. The slide is a separate responsibility. All the good motorcycle gear is leather or abrasion resistant material, and the impact projection pads are on the inside. For them to work they need to be tight tight. That's the only way unless you wear leather/abrasion resistant material and put the pads on the outside.
day 1 I took a few chunks out the V10F lol no lie there bro
Protective gear is a MUST. All riders PLEASE don’t wait for a fall to wear your gear. The other thing I’ve learned throughout my years of riding is that High Torque wheel takes off harder and breaking is superior to non HT wheels. Another great point Chooch Dawg mentioned is that High Speed wheels 40+MPH , A Suspension can save you from a fall when you hit dips or potholes on bad roads or dirt trails. Learning how to read the road that’s in front of you can help a lot .
hey you used to have an mcm5 right? I have the mcm5 v2 and was wondering what's the actual safe limits? when is 80% alarm reached? what's a safe speed to travel at? generally ive set my alarm and tiltback to be 24mph even though the advertised speed is 27mph after a bad crash, and I usually cruise somewhat below that so like 18-23mph. is that too conservative?
Speeds are sensible.
Get your amp alarm setup to avoid low voltage high ampage cut outs.
It's more about how you ride vs just speed.
@@richardguy360 i dont go below 30% voltage under load
All said and done, here’s a really good reason why you wear all of your protective gear because stuff can and will happen. So even though we might Not like what happens at least you were protected which is the upside. You get to go home with no broken bones and you can ride another day.
That was a sneaky little bump
Hi Chooch, I really like your videos and I want to hear everything you have to say, so after I listen to your voiceover, I rewind the video and watch it again to listen to what you said to the camera. Could you maybe post a link in the video description with the camera audio to make it easier to hear? It's just kind of confusing to hear you saying two things at once
hey bro, nice to hear about the S20 being good. Looking to move to EUC but with the recent fire, hoping they sorting that out.
advice on videos, if you're going to talk over the recording where you also talk, mute it out.. gets a little confuses which to listen to.
That’s why safety gear is always good to see. Glad you’re safe! What wrist guards are you using?
You are so used to the KS suspension, 43 mph speeds and overall higher performance of the S22 (S20) that I think it would take a few days just to get used to riding the v12 again. Glad your ok!