i made the mistake of starting this quest an hour before I have to go to work, so I was more stressed about how long this quest is gonna take that I didn't even pay attention to who I'm saving lol
@@ARMYALEX1869 haha, same thing happen to me, I have something important to do half way the archon quest, I cant focus at all, and no way in hell I will repeat that quest
Same... So used of genshin not having any impact on choices, and the thing for me is, from 1.0 almost every choices appears i always restart the game to see if any difference whatsoever till inazuma , because of that i became dialogue skipper.. because thinking ahh it's the same.. it doesn't matter.. why you do this mihoyo, why are you not telling us..
No, every single quest in the game results in different dialogues down the line, which is why when NPCs are involved in multiple quests you can't progress until you finish one of them, the result of the quest will determine dialogues and involvement. For example finishing any Sumeru quests before or after the Archon quest ending results in completely different lore. All the big quest chains like Aranara and Tsurumi Island also results in different stuff, in fact Tsurumi Island and Aranara has different dialogues depending on whether you have met Ruu through the quest.
@@serazvi5387well technically that was all a longass set up for how Teyvat functions but I believe we must destroy that concept by the end of story so "I'm guessing we're doing your choice matters now"
For those who are aware Hoyo actually started experimenting where our decision affect the outcome more and have permanent effect on the overworld (and cant redo) during Simulanka (ie : the friends near the lighthouse and the Heart squirrel). Edit : added little more info
Nah... It started way long ago, for example in Inazuma when we decide to leave or fight the Fatui spies (whether or not to start a fight), in Sumeru when we decide to spare or kill the "bad guy" at the end of Aranara Quest (whether or not to start a fight and different locations of Quest Item), and in Fontaine at the end of Leroy Quest (different cutscenes and locations of Quest Item). Not to mention the dozens of Daily Commissions that differs depending on your choice. Branching choices is a very fundamental part of programming, it's just that this is the first time they used it in an Archon Quest and they executed the NPCs well
@@StephanMok Yeah,it's not new but it a fitting theme in this quest because is about war with the abyss,a normal war would not work because that would just mean which side are we on and not trying to save anyone.
This quest was insane. There is also so much info hidden on the map. Like how Capitano ditches his brigade to go in solo literally darting across Natlan. Dude is a menace. Also by the way at 4:26 if you tell the Lady the Fatui can escort you. You send *all of them* to die. That small band of brothers along with the lady. The road they had to take went through the core of abyssal corruption. Which you can check after you clear the pylons at the meeting point. The zone they were at will say *No life can exist here* I got so sad when i realised this in my playthrough....
I saw that and hoped hey rerouted their journey or that cap saved them since he was near... I kept looking around for them because surely I chose the correct option right?
5:466:087:04 this part depends on your choice in 0:48 not south/north option 6:14 This depends on your choice in 2:58 not south/north option As for death count, how fast you clear out monsters also affects the number
Yeah I was confused as well but came to understand what this video meant was the options of the respective 2 locations, not related to the mother+kid vs awhina north n south thing.
Tbh we probably all didn't think about if our choices will save them or not, and we probably didn't even notice if we did because of being stressed out about everyone dying everywhere
Agreed. All I can think at that time is which place has the monsters I can handle. This is a war, I expect from the beginning to lose some lives and save another. I decided to handle the spots that I'm more confident in handling, that's part of my tactics
Yeah I'm quite happy to see the ones I have saved still alive at some places. I literally just remembered about the doctor after the whole archon quest ended lol. But still, this archon quest really showed the hopelessness in a war especially going to some places with no remaining survivors.
@@rusticcloud3325 I was deciding the other way around. In the last north-south choice, I saw a new monster appear in the intelligence. And so I thought that they've been fighting Abyss for a long time, but they probably can't handle a new monster without my help.
Thank you... This is a good video to see who did we save and not (sadly). A little bit of correction btw. * Raman the courier will survived if you choose "A Surviving Courier's Missive" rather then "Under Siege" in previous choice. * Achiyaku will survived if you choose "Under Siege" rather than "A Surviving Courier's Missive" in previous choice. * More civilians will survived in "Endless Echoes" if you choose "Echoes Through the Valley" rather than "Key Supply Rescue" in previous choice.
That's the thing I'm so used of genshin without any impact on choices and now I'm paying the price... I'm sorry natlan people 😢 if i had known.. why mihoyo why you do this..
I regret a little bit because I wanted to finish the archon quest too quickly because I was afraid of spoilers. But I just realized from this video that there are many details that I missed and I have to choose accordingly😢
@@timon5413 I'm more afraid of AQ 5.3 later, do we have to choose again? And with that choice will there be many mistakes like now if we finish it without looking at the spoilers? 🥹
I was using a Xilonen plunge dps meme team during this whole thing, didn't know my clear speed actually affected death toll lol. Would've just mega powerwashed everything with Neuvi if I knew I needed to clear quicker. feelsbadman
I totally missed every optional thing because I was speedrunning so hard, I brought out my abyss team just to clear as fast as possible, and I think my neuvifrui team saved my death count because I did not talk to ANYBODY. I really just destroyed every encounter in 10 seconds but many of those named npcs are probably dead
If battle time affect the survived civilian, then maybe it's good to lower your AR world first before doing Archon Quest for easier enemies... . And my theory, maybe the best route to pick is: - South (Under Siege): Mayahuel, Uturunku - South (Key Supply Resque): Awhina - North (Survivor Search and Resque - North): Osawe, Iyoba What i mean best is we can safe the most NPC with name/can interact with us (so the died/sacrificed NPC with name are Raman and Diligent Yumkasaur)...
So, my route is: 1. Under Siege. (Meet Uturunku for 1st time, motivate him to survive, and pick top choice). 2. Echoes Through the Valley. (Save doctor in hidden/extra objective). 3. Key Site Defense. (I only got this when selecting 1 & 2) (Meet Uturunku again, pick top choice to make him survive) 4. (After the Cutscene 01 in stadium ends) This time, I Pick South 1st (save civilian and some saurian) because I see 2 icons of people standing there, to make sure the chance to survive is higher than the North (no icon of people standing guard in there when I pick 1 & 2). 5. After done talk to the courier in the stadium, you only given one mission "Ferocious Beasts Unleashed", do it. 6. From this point if you didn't choose North for the 1st time at step number 4, you can access Rescue Suvivor: North, do it and... you will see the rest of people here. 7. Pick your only Quest "Endless Echoes". 8. Pick your only Quest "Flower of Darkness". 9. Pick your only Quest "Finality Forthcoming". 10. Pick your only Quest "Evac Team Rendezvous". -Continue until the end. ->*Update: With this route: Saved doctor 1/2 The main route here from my perspective play is 1-6, whatever route you take there is some loss in war. That's why your choice matter in a war/ life. Damn, hoyo-genshin team cooked the scenario this time.
Me too i speedrunned the quest in my two accounts and i think everyone died in the first play through because i didnt know what to do do you know if there is any way of cheking if some survived after the quest?
@@joaquinlopez8223 just checking around the stadium or place we've been there that we can interact any npc, if they're not there, they died. I regret and this is my main account became a terrible account now ugh, my alt will be better but not so better with the characters built ugh 😫 I WANNA RESET BUTTON!
It should be noted that 5:46 is dependent on choosing 2:04's location, and not dependent on your choice of North or South at 5:11. 5:46 is affected by Surging Darkness's choices (prior to the big Abyss ball in the sky), while the choice you make at 5:11 is contained within Despair Engulfs the Heavens.
You killed that small Fatui brigade too bro... Right after you send them to escort they start going into the literal core of abyssal corruption. I felt so sorry for that Lady and that small Fatui band of brothers when i read on the map *No life can exists here* Oh well...
I saved the doctor, the civilians held up underneath the scions of the canopy, and a lone saurian, plus the mother and child the fatui protected. Last but not least, I motivated Uturunuku. I'm proud that I saved a lot of the people, even though it seems I missed out on others. It's really interesting how it really boils down to war being decisions that you can't posibly know if it would lead to less or more casualties, even going for what seems like a positive outcome might lead to tragedy.
Is so great this "incursion" into world building from GI and i can't help but feel that is a bonus for those who really enjoy the game since for the superficials and meta obsessed will goes unnoticed... the same with the quests related to the little saurian we adopt at the beginning, they are barely indicated and you only can do it exploring
I barely talked to anyone besides couriers, and my only decision is to not go to areas with fatui because I thought they could handle it. I got my ass beat with a lore accurate team in the first one and quickly switched to hyperbloom, then realized I need to pull out the big guns like neuvifuri with Layla to freeze….i got 2k deaths, just speedrunning so not as bad I thought it was gonna be. I just wanted it to end because I felt the darkness is really gonna take over. I missed the doctor, the mom, the baby Saurian etc.
Dang, I went into this quest thinking “People all over need my help. I don’t have time to stop and talk to everyone. Besides, I can read the dialogue later”. Then I see that more people died in my play through because of this!! Yeah, I could tell that Hoyo wouldn’t time me for how long I was taking at each spot, but I did it for my immersion!
It's okay guys, cause I know 90% of us thinned Natlan's population by farming tribe warriors and then looting their corpse for whistles for Xilonen's material. Heck, in fact I think the traveler killed more Natlanians than the Abyss at this point.
Teams are not canon, unless they are forced upon you by trial in story. Otherwise Traveler travels alone, bar paimon. Well, profile voicelines are canon too, so technically there's some degree of canon traveling with them, but on the background
What!? I choose to help the Doctor and Supplier but total deaths are the highest 😱 I thought letting awhina send the potions could help more people but I let her die😢 My best choice at that time is to make everything worst😭
Actually, if you save the doctor, the messenger and the supply person, the death toll will be less. The speed of finishing the missions also influences the death toll. I heard that a player was AFK for hours during the missions, and when he came back, the death toll had reached 40000.🥲
@@kaigaikarano I guess to suppress those dead count is to use meta team like Arle and Neuvi, but also a natlan character because night soul attacks clears the abyss curse fast (those white healthbars)
I didn’t even know about the npcs you can talk to like the doctor mother because I was so anxious about not being able to save the one with exclamation mark ones.💀
I'll choose "A Surviving Courier's Missive" and "Echoes Through the Valley" and choose the 2nd option. I'll also choose South even though fewer people will survive cuz Saurians are so cute
When you have a chance to make a choice. Make the one you know you won’t regret. At the end of the journey, all that perplexes you will resolve. Reach at the end of your story your own way. ~Kafka~
There are regrets associated with every choice there. Except sending the supplier with medicine to hot springs - that was clearly my mistake. But in more practical terms, we had no way to know the outcome of most of our choices. So the only reasonable way, is to choose based on your heart.
It's strange that not saving the Doctor and supplier but going North leads to less overall deaths. I feel like I missed a lot of this stuff, I think i ended up with the 2005 death toll.
The archon quest isn't finish yet, maybe on 5.2 everyone gets revived or I'm just coping because I didn't know people would actually die and I was lagging the whole time. Death counter went 4k+
- 3:15 I didn't chose the messenger node, so it was a female messenger that appear here, not raman. - 3:52 the awhina choice is really a trick/scam as most players will chose for her to go deliver the supplies as it seems to be the correct thing to do than just runaway save own self at the stadium BUT that seemingly correct choice get awhina killed instead. - May I have the link to the video whereby awhina lives? I want to know what all she says/her voicelines. Thanks - 5:46 I think who is the messenger at the stadium only depends if we saved raman or not else is the female messenger, because I went north first but didn't save raman so my messenger is the girl. - 5:55 to 6:26 I think you are confusing viewers with the north/south captions because they will thought it's the mother+kid vs awhina options instead of the respective choices during each encounter. - 6:49 I think this baby saurian is there because we didn't go to the location with the 3 npcs of people of the springs + dead saurians, as this baby was the sole survivor. Else this baby will be with the 3 npcs further down at 7:10 before you go into the 6 heros cutscene. - 7:20 rescuing both doctor & supplier has the most death??? lol
The problem with the Awhina option is that it implies she's going to try to do it alone if you don't talk to her, and she is surprised the Fatui will help her. You would not guess that discouraging her she'd actually listen to.
I was so immerged with the war that I was constantly rushing. I skipped basic every optional side quest. The result is that the death number at the end remained around 1900, but I didn't save many of the specific NPC's.
When playing this part of the quest, I ended up making my choices at random, lol. So in the end I saved Mayahuel, Achiyaku (and his civilians), and the mother and child. If I could go back, I'd also try and save Awhina, since I pretty much sent her to her death. 😭
I applaud you for doing all these different branches just to show us the different outcomes. That must've taken a while. In my own game I'm pretty satisfied with every choice I made EXCEPT Awhina which I unfortunately chose the option that made her die (there's no way of knowing without spoiling yourself, which sucks). I was able to save Mayahuel, the single young Saurian (you don't need to save Raman to save the single Yumkasaur; I know this because he is MIA in my game but the saurian still made into the Stadium), Iyoba and Osawe, I motivated Uturunku and I saved Achiyaku and his comrades. Pretty good for a blind run. The one I liked the most was Achiyaku. Saving him equals saving a very large group, but sadly the NPC in that group that I liked the most will always die. RIP Wayta. It would be even crazier if Hoyo made these NPCs stay in the world after the Archon Quest for an extra punch in the guts. Edit: So after digging a llittle I just found out that Toto, Kachina's big dinosaur friend, can actually die in the Archon quest if you take too long doing the quest. YIKES. I saw him and he did survive in my game, but I'm curious if Hoyo will still use Toto in future quests if he can die in this one.
yo same bro my outcomes are exactly the same as yours (i still feel especially guilty about awhina 😭) and my heart almost stopped when i saw toto on the ground. i went to check thinking it was just a random dino, but realized that it WAS toto and i was so happy he turned out alive😭😭
Does he actually die or is he just on the ground? My toto was on the ground but when I went to check on him the lady next to him said he was unconscious. What did your toto look like?
@@lordlyka68 Apparently if there's no NPC next to Toto that means he didn't make it. I haven't seen any footage of this though, it's just what I've read.
hoyo really make a war simulator for us......we wouldnt know what happen in the war, every choice we made really a crucial , and maybe my option is the despaired ones, i saved only small number TT_TT
Well no shock to me. This just comes to show. You can't save them all. You only have 2 arms and 2 leg's. You cant be at 2 place at the same time. (Not unless your Naruto)
Agreed. My tactic was to handle the places I'm more confident in handling; that's the best way I can help more. But to no avail, this is a war so I expect casualties.
I also didn't spend too much time fussing over minor details, because I felt a lot of this was time sensitive. I also opted to consistently go to the seemingly more dangerous locations. I ended up missing a lot of NPC's and cutscenes, but ended up with a relatively low damage toll.
At 6:00 I choose the North option first but the guy was still fighting. I think you will be able to save him as well if you’re fast enough with the mother and child part.
correction: at 5:45, the Courier's appearance is dependent on the choice between not quest "Despair Engulfs the Heavens"'s hotspots "Survivor Search and Rescue: North" and "Survivor Search and Rescue: South" but instead quest "The Surging Darkness"'s hotspots "Under Siege" and "A Surviving Courier's Missive"
This war, I did using my Hu Tao TC main,😅 2:06 - I didn't know about this, I was thinking to help these cute Saurians fighting but I choose the Doctor 5:15- North. Poor baby cute Saurian, I was thinking I want to pet her and put her into teapot, but I didn't know the south, it was too late to save them those Masters and their mother Saurians are dead🥲 6:21- North. Good thing I chose the right path, those 2 NPC alive but Fatuis are dead, sorry Paimon
I felt happy I went on with the doctor route, kinda felt because that spot was closer (and tried to fight and choose at fast as possible, some reason felt speed was key). But I got all choked up when Paimon got sad later on in the quest. The VA did an amazing job for those lines.
3:10 on this part you said we can only choose 1 location but i did both except i didn't do the optional for both. I did not destroy the pylon for the one in the mines and for the second one i did not talk to Awhina edit: i did not talk to Awhina in the optional and she still lived talking with the doctor i saw her before the cutscene for the gathering of the heroes
I.... sat to think through on my decisions in that quest. And I accepted that I will not be able to save everyone. I did what I can, chose the options where I weighted if there is no Armed NPC or Friendly Saurian is there to fight/defend on the mission. It might be heartless but I chose the where I felt like I would save more civilians, and where some "strategic" points can be held. By the end, the casualties were at 1.2k rounded off. I dunno if I could've save more but I did what I can and can only pray to those I failed to help. This quest is a good reminder that just because they are NPCs, they can still affect you mentally.
that would ruin the whole point of the quest, the whole point is it is war people are going to die no matter what you do. You have to make choices and live with them no matter how good or bad they turn out to be. If you could replay it what would even be the point all emotion just gets sucked out to force a happy ending.
@@nigelthornberry7513 Hoyo was always feeding us walls of useless text and an illusion of choice. And now they are like "you didn't save em because you had the choice!" Fuck hoyo, this is just an example of a bullshit game design.
Wow I unknowingly made all the wrong choices that caused the most casualties! No wonder why the death toll went up so high for me🙃 This just proves on how much I suck at choice games. Never trust me with decisions ever again ☠️
The moment when I realised that my choice matters and I can't save everyone... I literally cried. The best archon quest so far. It broke my heart into million pieces. And now after watching this video I undestood one terrible thing... I saved almost everyone who could have been saved, except for the mother and a child. Their death is my fault. Wow... I know they're just some game NPCs but still it hurts... How am I gonna live with it?..
I am so sorry 😢 I could only save the two. I literally had no idea my choices had consequences and it was all the fault of my internet because it was fluctuating a lot.
I just tap tap tap cuz paimon was crying and thought it would be the same no matter what i choose, i didn't even do side quests lmao, all of them are dead
thank you. I've been seeing people who saved the mom and her daughter, and i was tormented because I didn't, I thought i was not fast enough and it turns out it was because I went south first
I chose completely at random, taking the nearest exclamation point, without even having read (I discover NOW that the challenges had different buffs and saved different characters.. 😅🤣🤷🏻♂️) But all the extra additional quests, of the missions I played, I did them all.
hehe i knew something ain't right so i've decided to bring my serious team and just in case lowered my world level. turns out deleting everything quickly has a big impact on the death toll😅
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I couldn't even decide which people to save because I was stressed about everyone dying. 😭
So true
Same
How redo????
i made the mistake of starting this quest an hour before I have to go to work, so I was more stressed about how long this quest is gonna take that I didn't even pay attention to who I'm saving lol
@@ARMYALEX1869 haha, same thing happen to me, I have something important to do half way the archon quest, I cant focus at all, and no way in hell I will repeat that quest
5.0 : this you call the nation of war 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hoyo : y'know what let me give you something
5.1 : 🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿
It serves these idiots right 😂❤❤
They never learn from Fontaine Archon Quest 😔
@@swastethings9122but they learned from inazuma…
@@Taz_886 a typical judging a book by it cover guy..
@@TheRealFurinaDeFontaine 'they' here means the naysayers about the 5.0 archon quests
No matter how you try. You CAN NOT save everyone...
damm it!!!
BUT is there a choice or rather a chain of choices that at least guarantees I can save as much people as possible…?
@@gamesgal8183I haven't gotten to that mission yet, I'd like to know.
You can't save all some people die some are connon must die
@@gamesgal8183i think it doesnt make much differences.. you save one the other died.. all has its own consequences
I started this game, since 1.0, knowing all my decisions don't matter. And now here they are, without any further notice.
Same... So used of genshin not having any impact on choices, and the thing for me is, from 1.0 almost every choices appears i always restart the game to see if any difference whatsoever till inazuma , because of that i became dialogue skipper.. because thinking ahh it's the same.. it doesn't matter.. why you do this mihoyo, why are you not telling us..
I mean we did have choice since Inazuma archon quest,just that those didn't have THAT big of an impact and hence overlooked or forgotten.
The game whose main theme centers Immovable Fate being Written In The Stars the moment you start to get comfy with being the invincible protagonist:
No, every single quest in the game results in different dialogues down the line, which is why when NPCs are involved in multiple quests you can't progress until you finish one of them, the result of the quest will determine dialogues and involvement.
For example finishing any Sumeru quests before or after the Archon quest ending results in completely different lore. All the big quest chains like Aranara and Tsurumi Island also results in different stuff, in fact Tsurumi Island and Aranara has different dialogues depending on whether you have met Ruu through the quest.
@@serazvi5387well technically that was all a longass set up for how Teyvat functions but I believe we must destroy that concept by the end of story so "I'm guessing we're doing your choice matters now"
* How to reduce game size??
- Clear NPC
Me: lets 100,000 people die to reduce game file size
No, the game size will not decrease by killing npc lol. 😅
man, hoyo knows what happened, so they rerun hu tao, for this version.
Coffin stonks 📈
Hu tao, Halloween.. hmmm 😅
Hu Tao wishes she was from Natlan
Haha it's prob for Halloween they did the same last year too
Yeah
I think half of Natlan people are dead because of me...💀
😂😂😂
its ok, they die eventually by old age.
@@blazingleaf well, yeah they are old as hell...older than my own grandpa
Same...I know I didn't rescue the doctor. And I didn't have the crowd still standing at the end. That mission was depressing 😭
I was taking this quest so lightly, blasting music in background and was just going around fighting monsters🤣 then I saw videos like this and☠️
Hearing Paimon tell the dead Saurians to wake up broke my heart 😢
For those who are aware
Hoyo actually started experimenting where our decision affect the outcome more and have permanent effect on the overworld (and cant redo) during Simulanka (ie : the friends near the lighthouse and the Heart squirrel).
Edit : added little more info
i know the heart one, what’s the lighthouse one?
@@kokyixuanI think it's whether the two go on a journey together or not by motivating the scared one
Nah... It started way long ago, for example in Inazuma when we decide to leave or fight the Fatui spies (whether or not to start a fight), in Sumeru when we decide to spare or kill the "bad guy" at the end of Aranara Quest (whether or not to start a fight and different locations of Quest Item), and in Fontaine at the end of Leroy Quest (different cutscenes and locations of Quest Item). Not to mention the dozens of Daily Commissions that differs depending on your choice. Branching choices is a very fundamental part of programming, it's just that this is the first time they used it in an Archon Quest and they executed the NPCs well
@@StephanMok Yeah,it's not new but it a fitting theme in this quest because is about war with the abyss,a normal war would not work because that would just mean which side are we on and not trying to save anyone.
What is about the heart squirel i only know about the two toyman and glad i made the right choice
You can actually also save the doctor without ever talking to Tepoz and knowing she's his mom, the dialogue will be different
True, I saw someone's playthrough like this and paimon just didn't mentioned about tepoz to doctor mother
The different is saving the surroundings. Not talking to tepoz for that.
Since if u save her, she save until the end
I saved the mother doctor but did the son survive?
Can u tell me who's gameplay through u watched? @@kyori75
@@ky015 yes
imagine if the ending of Genshin is based on your choices, accomplishments, and etc throughout your whole playthrough.
Given that we barely get any choices in the game, I'd be surprised. Amazing this quest is such a divergence.
me who skip cutscenes: 👁👄👁
Dialogue skipper endgame metaslaves: surprised pikachu face
turning genshin into a deep interactive CYOA game, huh? i like that
@@HelloOnepiece as if they would be surprised lol
This quest was insane. There is also so much info hidden on the map. Like how Capitano ditches his brigade to go in solo literally darting across Natlan. Dude is a menace.
Also by the way at 4:26 if you tell the Lady the Fatui can escort you. You send *all of them* to die. That small band of brothers along with the lady. The road they had to take went through the core of abyssal corruption. Which you can check after you clear the pylons at the meeting point. The zone they were at will say *No life can exist here* I got so sad when i realised this in my playthrough....
I saw that and hoped hey rerouted their journey or that cap saved them since he was near... I kept looking around for them because surely I chose the correct option right?
The wrong option really seemed like a safer one to me at first.
If you tell her to not risk it, you meet her later on her way to the stadium.
I saw that on the map and my dumbass really went "oh okay so he'll protect the south and I can safely go north!"
I don't believe I talked to her after I saved them does this mean they are dead
5:46 6:08 7:04 this part depends on your choice in 0:48 not south/north option
6:14 This depends on your choice in 2:58 not south/north option
As for death count, how fast you clear out monsters also affects the number
Yeah I was confused as well but came to understand what this video meant was the options of the respective 2 locations, not related to the mother+kid vs awhina north n south thing.
Thanks for pointing this out. I'm getting a clearer picture on what to do now.
This should be pinned tbh
Idk if i should pick the north or south then?
How fast you clear?....
We know that we're going to deploy our best dps team
Tbh we probably all didn't think about if our choices will save them or not, and we probably didn't even notice if we did because of being stressed out about everyone dying everywhere
Agreed. All I can think at that time is which place has the monsters I can handle. This is a war, I expect from the beginning to lose some lives and save another. I decided to handle the spots that I'm more confident in handling, that's part of my tactics
Yeah I'm quite happy to see the ones I have saved still alive at some places. I literally just remembered about the doctor after the whole archon quest ended lol. But still, this archon quest really showed the hopelessness in a war especially going to some places with no remaining survivors.
I was so stressed the balloon was taking its sweet time 😭
@@rusticcloud3325 I was deciding the other way around. In the last north-south choice, I saw a new monster appear in the intelligence. And so I thought that they've been fighting Abyss for a long time, but they probably can't handle a new monster without my help.
@@rusticcloud3325 At this point of the game you should be able to handle any enemy
this quest is basically a Trolley Problem..
Thank you... This is a good video to see who did we save and not (sadly).
A little bit of correction btw.
* Raman the courier will survived if you choose "A Surviving Courier's Missive" rather then "Under Siege" in previous choice.
* Achiyaku will survived if you choose "Under Siege" rather than "A Surviving Courier's Missive" in previous choice.
* More civilians will survived in "Endless Echoes" if you choose "Echoes Through the Valley" rather than "Key Supply Rescue" in previous choice.
*haha, Hoyo always give us the illusions of options bcs they're too lazy*
Hoyo when they decided to make your decisions matters :
People - and who decided it
Scanor hoyo- I am the only one who decides
It's so hard to adapt to the change, after you got used to it being the same for 4 years...
That's the thing I'm so used of genshin without any impact on choices and now I'm paying the price... I'm sorry natlan people 😢 if i had known.. why mihoyo why you do this..
I regret a little bit because I wanted to finish the archon quest too quickly because I was afraid of spoilers. But I just realized from this video that there are many details that I missed and I have to choose accordingly😢
Same it's hurts
@@timon5413 I'm more afraid of AQ 5.3 later, do we have to choose again? And with that choice will there be many mistakes like now if we finish it without looking at the spoilers? 🥹
For once knowing spoilers makes a difference. But I didn't regret saving groups of Pokémon over a human tho 😂
Same but end up getting spoil anyway
This part of the archon quest was very sad, because you know instantly that what you choose, on the other part will be lost forever.
There was also an extra timed challenge, when depending on how fast you do the quest, Toby, Kachina's pet dino dies or survives.
Bruh I'm so glad I didn't slack on that fight. That's a filthy fucking hidden detail, that Toto could possibly die.
I'm so glad I was able to save Toto (And as many saurians as I could) but I feel bad not being able to save more people than I did..
Can you share a source for that? I am having trouble finding any footage of a dead Toto.
Toto doesn't die in any rounds, speak to the NPC near by his head and he'll say Toto will get better but unconscious now
I can't take it serious bc Toto means pussy in my language😭
I did all those I was so terrified I wanted to save them and the ballon was so slow it was frustrating I could only wait to reach
Like fr go faster people are dying you stupid balloon HIT THE GAS
I think it is a brilliant way of showing despair to the players.
@@darkomiku8902 it absolutely is I wasn't expecting this much from genshin when traveller said it's war to paimon it also hit me so hard.
my only regrets was not knowing abt the doctor, the supplier, and the few civilians with the other yumkasuar baby
I was using a Xilonen plunge dps meme team during this whole thing, didn't know my clear speed actually affected death toll lol. Would've just mega powerwashed everything with Neuvi if I knew I needed to clear quicker. feelsbadman
I totally missed every optional thing because I was speedrunning so hard, I brought out my abyss team just to clear as fast as possible, and I think my neuvifrui team saved my death count because I did not talk to ANYBODY. I really just destroyed every encounter in 10 seconds but many of those named npcs are probably dead
If battle time affect the survived civilian, then maybe it's good to lower your AR world first before doing Archon Quest for easier enemies...
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And my theory, maybe the best route to pick is:
- South (Under Siege): Mayahuel, Uturunku
- South (Key Supply Resque): Awhina
- North (Survivor Search and Resque - North): Osawe, Iyoba
What i mean best is we can safe the most NPC with name/can interact with us (so the died/sacrificed NPC with name are Raman and Diligent Yumkasaur)...
I never knew that seeing fatui members corpes on the ground dead would make me cry...
I’ll be honest, I don’t remember which decisions I made. It was all in the heat of the moment.
half of Natlan has survivor's guilt
Imagine if you were to choose between which playable characters to save in a Teyvat-scale war.
At this scale, I’m afraid there will be more archons and harbingers dying.
good luck trying to work with that in a live service game
Zhongli has lived enough, he can go.
@@macabre21 its scary how quickly you answered that
@@glowupwithstuti I just thought he must be tired of tasting Osmanthus wine and should reunite with the people who share the memory.
after completing 5.1 AQ, we can meet Citlali sitting alone near Chanca's shop
I haven’t even started this and i’m feeling stressed out already 😰😭💔
I did that quest without spoilers, and it was quite stressful. At some point, Paimon started saying that the war might be too much for her.
@@kotarouinugami1745
Nooo.... Poor Paimon... What are Hoyoverse doing to us?? 😭💔
Holy sht I think I f'ed up so hard. Almost everywhere I go I found corpses. I was trying to save everyone.
So, my route is:
1. Under Siege. (Meet Uturunku for 1st time, motivate him to survive, and pick top choice).
2. Echoes Through the Valley. (Save doctor in hidden/extra objective).
3. Key Site Defense. (I only got this when selecting 1 & 2) (Meet Uturunku again, pick top choice to make him survive)
4. (After the Cutscene 01 in stadium ends) This time, I Pick South 1st (save civilian and some saurian) because I see 2 icons of people standing there, to make sure the chance to survive is higher than the North (no icon of people standing guard in there when I pick 1 & 2).
5. After done talk to the courier in the stadium, you only given one mission "Ferocious Beasts Unleashed", do it.
6. From this point if you didn't choose North for the 1st time at step number 4, you can access Rescue Suvivor: North, do it and... you will see the rest of people here.
7. Pick your only Quest "Endless Echoes".
8. Pick your only Quest "Flower of Darkness".
9. Pick your only Quest "Finality Forthcoming".
10. Pick your only Quest "Evac Team Rendezvous".
-Continue until the end.
->*Update:
With this route: Saved doctor 1/2
The main route here from my perspective play is 1-6, whatever route you take there is some loss in war. That's why your choice matter in a war/ life. Damn, hoyo-genshin team cooked the scenario this time.
Sadly at point 6 I didn't find any survivors, but overall I had a death count of around 2000 so I'm happy with the outcome. Thank you for this
I missed doctor. I couldn't find her since there was no objective whatsoever and I was too focused on doing anything else...
@@georgianstanciu6098 Same. I followed the steps all the way to 6 and no survivors upon picking North route.
from what I understand
motivate Uturunku
save doctor and potion seller
and choose North
(do all side quests)
Conclusion: i should watch this before doing the quest! 😭😭😭
Me too i speedrunned the quest in my two accounts and i think everyone died in the first play through because i didnt know what to do do you know if there is any way of cheking if some survived after the quest?
Same... I only focused on getting my primogems, now I feel terrible
@@joaquinlopez8223 just checking around the stadium or place we've been there that we can interact any npc, if they're not there, they died. I regret and this is my main account became a terrible account now ugh, my alt will be better but not so better with the characters built ugh 😫 I WANNA RESET BUTTON!
I don't think so, that would defeat the purpose of your own decision making at the moment of stress and the meaning of your choice in your journey.
nah that would be no fun
It should be noted that 5:46 is dependent on choosing 2:04's location, and not dependent on your choice of North or South at 5:11. 5:46 is affected by Surging Darkness's choices (prior to the big Abyss ball in the sky), while the choice you make at 5:11 is contained within Despair Engulfs the Heavens.
4:28 Crap. I got her killed. I thought I was doing the right thing! 😢
Did the same thing, I thought if she gets to the springs more people could be helped
@@pancake-kunme too. We're on the same boat, brothers, the only thing we can do now is directing our rage against the Abyss.
You killed that small Fatui brigade too bro... Right after you send them to escort they start going into the literal core of abyssal corruption. I felt so sorry for that Lady and that small Fatui band of brothers when i read on the map *No life can exists here*
Oh well...
@@jasonswaglord1498Damn it!
I wish we could redo the archron quest😢 but it impossible
Meanwhile I’m still procrastinating on doing the Archon quest. 😢 I’m not ready to see all these characters gone from the overworld.
Same.. i'm literally going everywhere talking to every NPC that i had ignored before starting this act.. 😅😅
This quest was really stressful especially when Paimon started crying
I saved the doctor, the civilians held up underneath the scions of the canopy, and a lone saurian, plus the mother and child the fatui protected. Last but not least, I motivated Uturunuku. I'm proud that I saved a lot of the people, even though it seems I missed out on others.
It's really interesting how it really boils down to war being decisions that you can't posibly know if it would lead to less or more casualties, even going for what seems like a positive outcome might lead to tragedy.
Me who hasn’t even start act 5 AQ: hmm interesting
ahahaha lmao you must save them
It's on you now .. save them all.
same... I still havent started and im stressing, taking notes on everything so less people die... T^T
Is so great this "incursion" into world building from GI and i can't help but feel that is a bonus for those who really enjoy the game since for the superficials and meta obsessed will goes unnoticed... the same with the quests related to the little saurian we adopt at the beginning, they are barely indicated and you only can do it exploring
I saved a lot of people but I didn’t notice there were different options. I wonder if speed runners didn’t save anyone by not talking to the npcs.
I barely talked to anyone besides couriers, and my only decision is to not go to areas with fatui because I thought they could handle it. I got my ass beat with a lore accurate team in the first one and quickly switched to hyperbloom, then realized I need to pull out the big guns like neuvifuri with Layla to freeze….i got 2k deaths, just speedrunning so not as bad I thought it was gonna be. I just wanted it to end because I felt the darkness is really gonna take over. I missed the doctor, the mom, the baby Saurian etc.
People! People! Hear me! Hear me!.
"The hardest choice requires strongest will"
I got 10k deaths. I think my Saurians all goes extinct
Dang, I went into this quest thinking “People all over need my help. I don’t have time to stop and talk to everyone. Besides, I can read the dialogue later”. Then I see that more people died in my play through because of this!! Yeah, I could tell that Hoyo wouldn’t time me for how long I was taking at each spot, but I did it for my immersion!
It's okay guys, cause I know 90% of us thinned Natlan's population by farming tribe warriors and then looting their corpse for whistles for Xilonen's material. Heck, in fact I think the traveler killed more Natlanians than the Abyss at this point.
I see it as training the warriors and giving free dental care to the saurian lol
If only we can split our teams just like in the spiral abyss... :((
Teams are not canon, unless they are forced upon you by trial in story. Otherwise Traveler travels alone, bar paimon. Well, profile voicelines are canon too, so technically there's some degree of canon traveling with them, but on the background
What!? I choose to help the Doctor and Supplier but total deaths are the highest 😱
I thought letting awhina send the potions could help more people but I let her die😢
My best choice at that time is to make everything worst😭
Actually, if you save the doctor, the messenger and the supply person, the death toll will be less. The speed of finishing the missions also influences the death toll. I heard that a player was AFK for hours during the missions, and when he came back, the death toll had reached 40000.🥲
Total death count is how fast u clear the monsters, not the choice.
@@warai_otoko try to look deeper, because I saw someone's community post with a screenshot of a whopping 90k death toll
@@kaigaikarano I guess to suppress those dead count is to use meta team like Arle and Neuvi, but also a natlan character because night soul attacks clears the abyss curse fast (those white healthbars)
I didn’t even know about the npcs you can talk to like the doctor mother because I was so anxious about not being able to save the one with exclamation mark ones.💀
I'll choose "A Surviving Courier's Missive" and "Echoes Through the Valley" and choose the 2nd option. I'll also choose South even though fewer people will survive cuz Saurians are so cute
... I guess it's time to prepare myself for some stress, but not from the exams this time.
When you have a chance to make a choice.
Make the one you know you won’t regret.
At the end of the journey, all that perplexes you will resolve.
Reach at the end of your story your own way.
~Kafka~
There are regrets associated with every choice there. Except sending the supplier with medicine to hot springs - that was clearly my mistake.
But in more practical terms, we had no way to know the outcome of most of our choices. So the only reasonable way, is to choose based on your heart.
It's strange that not saving the Doctor and supplier but going North leads to less overall deaths. I feel like I missed a lot of this stuff, I think i ended up with the 2005 death toll.
I ended with 2156 😢
The archon quest isn't finish yet, maybe on 5.2 everyone gets revived or I'm just coping because I didn't know people would actually die and I was lagging the whole time. Death counter went 4k+
- 3:15 I didn't chose the messenger node, so it was a female messenger that appear here, not raman.
- 3:52 the awhina choice is really a trick/scam as most players will chose for her to go deliver the supplies as it seems to be the correct thing to do than just runaway save own self at the stadium BUT that seemingly correct choice get awhina killed instead.
- May I have the link to the video whereby awhina lives? I want to know what all she says/her voicelines. Thanks
- 5:46 I think who is the messenger at the stadium only depends if we saved raman or not else is the female messenger, because I went north first but didn't save raman so my messenger is the girl.
- 5:55 to 6:26 I think you are confusing viewers with the north/south captions because they will thought it's the mother+kid vs awhina options instead of the respective choices during each encounter.
- 6:49 I think this baby saurian is there because we didn't go to the location with the 3 npcs of people of the springs + dead saurians, as this baby was the sole survivor. Else this baby will be with the 3 npcs further down at 7:10 before you go into the 6 heros cutscene.
- 7:20 rescuing both doctor & supplier has the most death??? lol
The problem with the Awhina option is that it implies she's going to try to do it alone if you don't talk to her, and she is surprised the Fatui will help her. You would not guess that discouraging her she'd actually listen to.
I was so immerged with the war that I was constantly rushing. I skipped basic every optional side quest. The result is that the death number at the end remained around 1900, but I didn't save many of the specific NPC's.
When playing this part of the quest, I ended up making my choices at random, lol. So in the end I saved Mayahuel, Achiyaku (and his civilians), and the mother and child. If I could go back, I'd also try and save Awhina, since I pretty much sent her to her death. 😭
I applaud you for doing all these different branches just to show us the different outcomes. That must've taken a while.
In my own game I'm pretty satisfied with every choice I made EXCEPT Awhina which I unfortunately chose the option that made her die (there's no way of knowing without spoiling yourself, which sucks). I was able to save Mayahuel, the single young Saurian (you don't need to save Raman to save the single Yumkasaur; I know this because he is MIA in my game but the saurian still made into the Stadium), Iyoba and Osawe, I motivated Uturunku and I saved Achiyaku and his comrades. Pretty good for a blind run. The one I liked the most was Achiyaku. Saving him equals saving a very large group, but sadly the NPC in that group that I liked the most will always die. RIP Wayta.
It would be even crazier if Hoyo made these NPCs stay in the world after the Archon Quest for an extra punch in the guts.
Edit: So after digging a llittle I just found out that Toto, Kachina's big dinosaur friend, can actually die in the Archon quest if you take too long doing the quest. YIKES. I saw him and he did survive in my game, but I'm curious if Hoyo will still use Toto in future quests if he can die in this one.
I believe the baby saurian is from the location if we didn't save the 3 npc of people of the springs resulted the baby saurian was the sole survivor.
yo same bro my outcomes are exactly the same as yours (i still feel especially guilty about awhina 😭) and my heart almost stopped when i saw toto on the ground. i went to check thinking it was just a random dino, but realized that it WAS toto and i was so happy he turned out alive😭😭
Does he actually die or is he just on the ground? My toto was on the ground but when I went to check on him the lady next to him said he was unconscious. What did your toto look like?
@@lordlyka68 Apparently if there's no NPC next to Toto that means he didn't make it. I haven't seen any footage of this though, it's just what I've read.
hoyo really make a war simulator for us......we wouldnt know what happen in the war, every choice we made really a crucial , and maybe my option is the despaired ones, i saved only small number TT_TT
HoYoVerse teaching us wars dark face: You cant safe everyone....
This AQ is so emotional, i was mad and kept thinking, i can go and run to the other place quickly and help the other place, dang it...
😢😢
Doing the quest give me anxiety. I want to save everyone but yeah, in war there is always a loss. Its hard to decide who to choose.
I like these details, although I didn't notice when I went through it.
We were conditioned by Hoyo for 4 years that our choices don't matter and suddenly they do...
yep soo bad
Well no shock to me.
This just comes to show. You can't save them all. You only have 2 arms and 2 leg's. You cant be at 2 place at the same time. (Not unless your Naruto)
Agreed. My tactic was to handle the places I'm more confident in handling; that's the best way I can help more. But to no avail, this is a war so I expect casualties.
I also didn't spend too much time fussing over minor details, because I felt a lot of this was time sensitive. I also opted to consistently go to the seemingly more dangerous locations. I ended up missing a lot of NPC's and cutscenes, but ended up with a relatively low damage toll.
It's sad that I cannot experience every options to see how different they were. It's reall detailed
Thank for the vids.
At 6:00 I choose the North option first but the guy was still fighting. I think you will be able to save him as well if you’re fast enough with the mother and child part.
Choices never mattered so I chose without much thinking, now everyone is dead 💀
Hoyo's fault, not ours
@@Crazy-Drokonit is not. It is player's fault for doing without thinking. Period.
This archon quest really hits different
Was relieved that I saved Iyoba and her child...
But goddamit... I left Tepoz to be an orphan. 😞
I’m sorry Natlan for my wrong decisions.
1:55 - Damn, I didn't know Dottore was in this. xD
that new segment is kinda cute ngl
Thx for the laugh
Imagine he got attacked, screaming for help and we like: nah, he is okay.
Oh yeah I'm not feeling guilty....for these NPCs
Also me: 😭😭😭😭whyyyy!??
I feel you brother 😢
This is By Far the only archon quest where not only our choices matter but also settled the fate whether who lives or not
correction:
at 5:45, the Courier's appearance is dependent on the choice between
not quest "Despair Engulfs the Heavens"'s hotspots "Survivor Search and Rescue: North" and "Survivor Search and Rescue: South"
but instead quest "The Surging Darkness"'s hotspots "Under Siege" and "A Surviving Courier's Missive"
This war, I did using my Hu Tao TC main,😅
2:06 - I didn't know about this, I was thinking to help these cute Saurians fighting but I choose the Doctor
5:15- North. Poor baby cute Saurian, I was thinking I want to pet her and put her into teapot, but I didn't know the south, it was too late to save them those Masters and their mother Saurians are dead🥲
6:21- North. Good thing I chose the right path, those 2 NPC alive but Fatuis are dead, sorry Paimon
Me letting them all die on my utl account for research purposes. 8000 death 💀
Noooo😭
@@akane-kun2246 yes💀
HOW?
Dude, you so cruel
@@ashrofclopare u working for the abyss
Next archon quest, I will watch these videos first then do it. I don't mind spoilers, reducing casualties more important.
I've skipped all the optional quests 💀
I felt happy I went on with the doctor route, kinda felt because that spot was closer (and tried to fight and choose at fast as possible, some reason felt speed was key).
But I got all choked up when Paimon got sad later on in the quest. The VA did an amazing job for those lines.
Thank you for compiling this! Really good post! This was what I was hoping to know since I found out about branching choices.
3:10 on this part you said we can only choose 1 location but i did both except i didn't do the optional for both. I did not destroy the pylon for the one in the mines and for the second one i did not talk to Awhina
edit: i did not talk to Awhina in the optional and she still lived talking with the doctor i saw her before the cutscene for the gathering of the heroes
I.... sat to think through on my decisions in that quest. And I accepted that I will not be able to save everyone. I did what I can, chose the options where I weighted if there is no Armed NPC or Friendly Saurian is there to fight/defend on the mission.
It might be heartless but I chose the where I felt like I would save more civilians, and where some "strategic" points can be held. By the end, the casualties were at 1.2k rounded off. I dunno if I could've save more but I did what I can and can only pray to those I failed to help.
This quest is a good reminder that just because they are NPCs, they can still affect you mentally.
Hoyo better make this quest replayable
that would ruin the whole point of the quest, the whole point is it is war people are going to die no matter what you do. You have to make choices and live with them no matter how good or bad they turn out to be. If you could replay it what would even be the point all emotion just gets sucked out to force a happy ending.
@@nigelthornberry7513 Kinda stupid reply but okay.
@@nigelthornberry7513 Hoyo was always feeding us walls of useless text and an illusion of choice. And now they are like "you didn't save em because you had the choice!" Fuck hoyo, this is just an example of a bullshit game design.
No. It's meant to be permanent. That way you can feel the result of your Choice. I hope they will never add the option to replay.
@barti506 LOL pretty stupid reasoning, but okay. "feel the impact of your choice" in jenshin of all things. Lmfao 😂
Wow I unknowingly made all the wrong choices that caused the most casualties! No wonder why the death toll went up so high for me🙃 This just proves on how much I suck at choice games. Never trust me with decisions ever again ☠️
How high was your death toll? Mine was around 5k even though I saved almost everyone, I think because I spent too much time in each area
@@lordlyka68I ended up with 2156 before the Ode activated
@@lordlyka68 I also took my time too since I like to explore around and I ended up with almost 7K deaths 💀 I'm a terrible person
The moment when I realised that my choice matters and I can't save everyone... I literally cried. The best archon quest so far. It broke my heart into million pieces. And now after watching this video I undestood one terrible thing... I saved almost everyone who could have been saved, except for the mother and a child. Their death is my fault. Wow... I know they're just some game NPCs but still it hurts... How am I gonna live with it?..
I kinda fell sad that I couldn't save all of them. I tried so hard trying to save everyone. RIP to the fallen one's.
windblume 3.5 gave me tears of happiness
melu-silver's and egeria's death traumatized me,
BUT THIS... THIS QUESTLINE GAVE ME SEVERE PTSD
4:09 the rift hound really put ur team on life support huh?
💀
I am so sorry 😢 I could only save the two. I literally had no idea my choices had consequences and it was all the fault of my internet because it was fluctuating a lot.
I just tap tap tap cuz paimon was crying and thought it would be the same no matter what i choose, i didn't even do side quests lmao, all of them are dead
thank you. I've been seeing people who saved the mom and her daughter, and i was tormented because I didn't, I thought i was not fast enough and it turns out it was because I went south first
I chose completely at random, taking the nearest exclamation point, without even having read (I discover NOW that the challenges had different buffs and saved different characters.. 😅🤣🤷🏻♂️)
But all the extra additional quests, of the missions I played, I did them all.
I just followed wherever Capitano and mauvika was
hehe i knew something ain't right so i've decided to bring my serious team and just in case lowered my world level. turns out deleting everything quickly has a big impact on the death toll😅
Imagine playing for 3 years plus and screwed on this chapter
this is even more depressing. Didn't thought what we say to decide their life. I just wanted to end it soon.
This was such a stressful impactful experience! Haven't been that strained out in a gacha game since some of FGO most aruduous moments
I need to finish this. But from this video, it sounds like no matter the choice, there will be deaths.
Idk but somehow, after watching this, it made my manly tears came pouring down