3 things atheism and progressive Christianity have in common
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Bart Campolo predicts that in 10 years 30-40% of Progressive Christians will “progress” all the way to atheism. Why? Because progressive Christianity and Atheism have more in common than we’d like to think.
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“The teachings of the bible aren’t progressive, they are eternal”
That’s so good 🙏
To be fair, it depends on how one defines Progressive. Is salvation, grace, and the Cross progressive from religious legalism? Are we saved by Faith in Christ on the Cross or is behavior and lifestyle change required for Salvation. I do not like the term "progressive", but I believe the term emerged initially with good intentions and like many things it has been perverted to Sin acceptance.
@@igloozoo3771 Progressivism is partially what turned me away from the faith and why I am agnostic/atheist conservative today
Amen 🙏
"Progressive" Christianity is not Christianity.
facts
Exactly. I agree.
@@juandavidbalagueraquevedo2531 it's called the Bible. Read it.
Any sect of "Christianity" that preaches that Christ was of the same "chosen people" tribe as Jeffrey Epstein and Leon Trotsky is "progressive" or "liberal". That's another thing this sect and atheism have in common - both will smear you as " antisemitic " for speaking the truth.
Its Blended Chrisrianity
Progressive christianity makes "you" feel good about yourself even divine,
True word of God from the Bible makes you humble and righteous because God is divine
Best comment yet!
Well said
_Paul brought progressive Christianity, and he proclaims to be the blind leader of the blind._
_Paul taught his followers in_ 2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, *not by sight:)*
_For those that have eyes to see in 2 Cor 5:7 Paul writes the inclusive word _*_“we”_*_ which includes himself as a _*_“not by sight”_*_ leader._
_And Paul taught his followers to be blind (not by sight) followers._
_Thus by Paul's own writings he is a blind leader of the blind._
"True word of God from the Bible makes you humble and righteous because God is divine"
Ironic, because I find most people who claim that are blowhards who attribute being humble and righteous to being unquestionable and unapproachable. Because god. What about god's word makes you either humble or righteous?
@@rageofheaven maybe you need to stop meeting "most" folks and meet the "right" folks, we all have a role to play in our interactions with others, maybe you need to change your approach, if the outcome is always the same? dunno...
Or it's quite possible they are self-righteous...well...thats not gonna work regardless.
I am not going to bore you with my life story but being unemployed in a 3rd world country yet I still have food and a roof over my head...it certainly humbles you, i have no other way to explain it...as being blessed by God through others. Thats how he manifests through the Holy Spirit.
I am still struggling with many things of the flesh i want to sacrifice not for my own gain, but His.
His inspired word teaches me more...and the more i "suffer"/ get humbled the more i feel His presence.
Putting your trust in people and building relationships is far less important than trusting and putting energy into building a relationship with God...i never did this as a younger man!
There is a reason your here watching this video, i wish you luck with your journey!
Short and informative. Thank you. It is alarming to see how many churches are heading this way. People just rebel against authority and create something that makes them comfortable. Let’s face it, scripture can make us very uncomfortable with our sin. As it should.
They dont like to repent and just try to flip God's word to fit their own agenda
It's actually such a big sign of the end times and a lot of repeating of the way Israel acted towards God, rebelling, moving past God, secularism in the church.
People create rival religions, rival gods and rival churches.
Please pray for my friend Kristel, she is depressed and doesn't know God. Pray that God would open her mind and heart to the truth which is in Jesus Christ and destroy satan's lies and works in her life.
⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ Nicely-summed! The slippery slope mentioned here is also that portrayed by C.S. Lewis in his book The Screwtape Letters… an issue furthermore placed in a comprehensible context by R.C. SPROUL in his book Chosen by God.
Progressive “Christianity” ISN’T Christianity!
Nice to see that logical fallacy is still alive and well lol.
no true scotsman
False
You are wrong
They are christians,mormons aren't christians
I am a Catholic Christian tx great presentation.
I am also Catholic. I am also concerned about flawed relativistic and progressive ideas infiltrating there way into Catholicism.
4:47 “what happens if you pick and choose from the Bible” - would you therefore put back the 7 books that the Protestant reformers removed from the Bible ?
Nice job. You expressed succinctly and clearly what I've been trying to formulate in my head about the natural digression that occurs when we no longer believe the historicity of Genesis 1-11.
Proverbs 14:12, "There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death."
1) " If you are to truly understand then you need the contrast, not adherence to a single idea."
2) " To believe in an Ideal, is to be willing to betray it."
- Kreia, Kotor 2
The "Sovereignty of God" is a Calvinist doctrine, not found in the Bible. Yet it is very popular today, as an escape mechanism for many Christians who don't want to take responsibility for the consequences of their action. God, in fact, controls very little. He has given that control to us. Thus, "I stand at the door and knock. If any man opens the door, I will come in." Rev 3.
Problem with LGBTQ Christians is that God warned us to not add or subtract from the Bible and look what they are doing
To the person who replied and stated “Christianity is a cult” I retort, “I am not surprised by what any unbeliever without hope for eternity in the only way to be accepted by God would say in their scoffing.”
Yes. We atheists understand you are not suprised or informed.
@@theoskeptomai2535 whatever
Awesome work
Great video thank you.
the pope is so progressive he says 'atheists go to heaven' 'homosexuality is fine' 'the bible isn't an authority' 'do what thou wilt is the whole of the law'
He's a heretic. No one has any excuse to belong to the Catholic Church and claim to believe the Bible and follow Christ after hearing him speak.
Links?
How about you give proof of your claims otherwise you're spreading misinformation and lies.
He is the leader of Christianity, he is your leader. You must accept everything the Pope says
@@lucad.marchesi8950 Pope is a vicar, a shepherd. He is not a leader nor a general nor a president
Wow!!! Very very very well put!!! EXCELLENT INSIGHT into this craziness!!!
“Did God really say?” Has always been the ancient question from Satan!!!
Satan has always taken his orders from his Creator and Boss, Yahweh.
@@JamesRichardWiley Wha?
Or maybe that question really has merit. I think questions should be encouraged. Glorification of ignorance, gullibility and blind obedience cannot lead to good things.
Anyone can have a rebellious kid, but is it really that surprising in light of how insanely liberal his father became?
Following the progression from Carpe Diem to the present he's already only 1 step away from secular himself.
CHRIST IS THE WAY
Progressive Christianity is more pro-self, becoming a better you, your truth, your best life now and how you can you be more inclusive.
Orthodox Christianity is pro Jesus Christ, his will, his word, his truth, his commands and his life.
Can you please not use the moving background/borders? It’s really distracting.
Thanks for you videos.
Satan was unleashed from Hell in 1864. He gave much power to the heretical Ego-Saxon world.
What? I'd love an explanation.
What belief system is that?
So, why would you follow a false prophet? The false prophesies of SDA founder show that SDA is false and should not be followed. I wonder why the Christian cults have such a problem with that simple understanding?? Someone makes prophesy (or more than one) if ANY do not come true, prophet = false = not of God = do not listen to ANYTHING they have to say. Easy peasy.
@@bairfreedom Exactly. 'We recognize a tree by its fruits'. - Jesus. If one want to understand the 20th century, I suggest one reads the message of La Salette, given by the Virgin Mary in 1846 to Mélanie Mathieu and Maximin Giraud. We now have 175 years of historical proofs and accuracy.
Progressive Christianity is often seen as more aligned with the teachings and example of Jesus due to several key factors:
Emphasis on Social Justice: Progressive Christianity places a strong emphasis on social justice issues, mirroring Jesus' concern for the marginalized, oppressed, and vulnerable in society. Jesus frequently spoke out against injustice and advocated for the poor and marginalized, embodying principles of compassion, equality, and solidarity.
Progressive Christianity tends to prioritize inclusivity and acceptance of diverse perspectives, backgrounds, and identities, echoing Jesus' message of love, acceptance, and forgiveness. Jesus welcomed all people, regardless of social status, ethnicity, or religious background, and his ministry often challenged societal norms and prejudices.
Progressive Christianity emphasizes the central importance of love, compassion, and empathy in both personal relationships and societal interactions. These values align closely with Jesus' teachings, as he consistently emphasized the primacy of love-love for God, love for one another, and love even for one's enemies.
Progressive Christianity encourages critical engagement with traditional interpretations of scripture and religious authority, much like Jesus challenged the religious authorities of his time. Jesus frequently questioned the legalism and hypocrisy of the religious leaders, urging his followers to prioritize compassion, mercy, and justice over rigid adherence to religious rules.
Many progressive Christians prioritize environmental stewardship and care for creation, recognizing humanity's responsibility to protect and preserve the natural world. This aligns with Jesus' teachings on the interconnectedness of all life and the importance of responsible stewardship of God's creation.
Overall, progressive Christianity seeks to embody the spirit of Jesus' teachings by advocating for justice, inclusion, compassion, and love in both individual lives and societal structures. By aligning with these principles, progressive Christians strive to emulate the example of Jesus and participate in the ongoing work of building a more just, compassionate, and equitable world.
The Bible isn't perfect, due to translation issues. But, it's still an essential witness of God's dealings with us, His children, and most important its narrative for the need of a Messiah, manifested in the account in the NT of Christ teachings, atonement, and resurrection. Post Christians who dismiss the divinity of Christ's teachings because they have issues understanding the rest of the Bible in my view are making a rationalization to live according to the world's easy morality than God's. Another thing to keep in mind, while this world we live in is real, its not the reality that God has in store of us. We originally came from a paradise, in His presence, the garden of Eden. This fallen world we now reside, is a temporary reality.
No, the bible is the perfect everlasting word of God, the translation is sometimes not perfect, it's wrong to say " the bible isn't perfect", it's God's word, and God doesn't have flaws
@@joshkenedy8828 Which Bible then? There are hundreds, if not thousands of versions. They all cannot be error free, as translation from ancient Hebrew and Greek, in our English vernacular. For example, the commandment "Thou shall not Kill" is mistranslated. It should be "Murder", not kill. Otherwise Christians are breaking the law of God when fighting as soldiers in war, or self-defense.
God promised restoration; he will the restore the pre fall state of creation.
@@blank557 I said the actual God's word is flawless, the people who tried to translate it weren't, your saying otherwise, that's wickedness, and evil, and most bibles are accurate to the original manuscripts
@@blank557 Are you even christian! You don't sound like it!
I've once heard from Atheists that most Progressive Christians truly don't believe in God.
Why?
Because if they do, it will rid of their hedonistic ways and onto righteous ways?
You are right about a personal opinion stuff. I've seen that in my own life
Spot on
With respect, the atheistic viewing for allowing evil is a linear and limited perspective. While ensuring choice and free will, which is one of the greatest gifts God has blessed humanity with, I am convinced He works multi-directionally when it comes to evil. To support this, I am reminded of Isaiah 55 which states: “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,”
declares the Lord.
It is written: "And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose." -Romans 8:28.
Weighing in original sin, Adam and Eve had the choice to be obedient to God, or follow their own desires. By God allowing evil, He is testing men's hearts in conjunction to free will. Only God, who is infinite, could calculate all possible outcomes.
One of the problems is people do not have rest of the soul, the peace that surpasses all understanding.
thank you for this video.
I'm excited. It's exactly what Paul said would happen. The " falling away, apostasy " comes first.
Not seeking God, but seeking themselves
I never heard of progressive Christians or trinitarian until this year. Where are all these forms of Christianity coming from? I’m just Christian a follower of Jesus nothing extra.
The problem is that actual Biblical doctrine is deeply nuanced and it simply does not do to leave it squarely in the hands of the fundamentalists and puritans. The Bible is God's words spoken through Man and at times directly by God and recorded as such. We do not have to fear textual variants and possible mistakes in the minor secondary details as was deemed appropriate by the culture of oral traditions at the time. Nevertheless we can hold that the Bible is at all times profitable to teach and to correct. I don't have to be a Calvinistic determinist to believe that God is sourvereign. And yes - orthodox Christians disagree on many things even deemed within the scope of orthodoxy. I had to completely deconstruct from the faith of my parents for my own faith in Jesus as the son of God who died for the sins of the world to survive. I remain convinced by the arguments for God's existence and the historical facts surrounding the resurrection. If God / the Bible clearly teaches that a single monogamous life long relationship between two people of the same gender is wrong I would happily walk away from the idea and tell others to do the same. I just can't find anywhere that it does - and I hold the Bible in the same high regard I believe as other orthodox Christians.
HOW did you come to conclude that this god you've mentioned exists? Was it from an observation?
@@theoskeptomai2535 for me it is a cumulative case which eventually tip the odds in God's favor. There are ultimately only two reason not to believe that I consider good ones. 1. The problem of evil / gratuitous suffering of conscious beings. 2. The problem of the hiddenness of God. On the contrary I find all the traditional philosophical arguments for the existence of God very compelling. I even think the ontological argument should get more love than it does. Also I have had a number of serendipitous experiences that were so unlikely at the time that I an compelled to call them answers to prayer. I have narcissistic tendencies and so I would happily "rape and pillage" if there was no God and for the life of me I cannot accept the atheist answers to the moral argument. I understand to the core of my being that, in the words of the preacher, everything under the sun is vanity and so I do acknowledge that at least the foundation for my reasoning is psychological i.e. in the absence of God I see no meaning to life and subjective meaning is not enough to uphold me. And I am happy to call B.S. on Sam Harris's foundation for ethics. Finally - despite all the criticisms of the Bible I find it the most honest and accurate description of the human condition and I am happy to tell any and everyone that the Bible has and still serves as the foundation of western ethics. I find the person of Jesus so compelling that I have given him my heart even though I have never met him and don't have cartesian certainty over whether or not he exists. The fact that I might get to meet him one day fills me with such joy that I am willing to stake my life on the archetypal idea of his existence. Outside of him I see no reason to do anything. That was a mouth full :-). I can probably write a book on each point.
@@everythingisvanityneverthe1834 You don't consider that there is no evidence whatsoever to be a reason?
@@theoskeptomai2535 you've lost me.
Why doesn't a all powerful God end suffering and Evil in the world? Evil and suffering are what make righteous and the good things in life matter. What is a Sunny Day without a Rainy Day? This was something I struggled with at one time. You have to trust God he knows what he's doing. Our understanding is nothing compared to his understanding. I hope this brings some comfort to those who struggle with that question. It's ok to ask him why.
This is gold. Thank you so much!
We can't fathom how great God is if we stop relying on theoretical ideas or assumptions. When it comes to having confidence in Him, it means completely surrendering your life to Him. But what if you're in a difficult position and dispute God's authority or anything that goes against Him? I strongly advise you to repent because the devil wants you to get off track, lose trust in God, and damage your life, which was created solely for God's purposes.
HOW did you come to conclude that this god you've mentioned exists?
Spot on! I believe that a correct understanding of the Deut 32 worldview provides answers to many skeptic's questions (including the question of evil) covering as it does the sovereignty of God while maintaining the autonomy of man as he makes his way through a world run by miscreant would-be gods.
I love all these “all or nothing” comments. God forbid people look deeper into their faith and try to separate the dangerous, oppressive dogma so common in white Evangelical churches.
There’s a LOT of dangerous thread of white supremacy and Nationalism in the American church. Quickly labeling people as atheists is more offensive than the questions these people ask.
If Frank Turek asks atheists: Would you become a christian if christianity was true? You could simply answere: That depends if that God if exists, wanted me to since I did not have any choice since I did not asked to be created nor what to believe. And then you could ask Frank Turek: Why would God create anyone against their will? Then he would have to answere something like: God works in mystrious ways that we do not have any knowledge of. And by that or similar answere, he admits we have no free will. And then you can ask Frank Turek why he supports any human to be born if there is a chance that 1 person wish never to have existed? or are antinatalist more loving than the God you believe in Frank Turek?
Only three ?! I am truly amazed. I thought that PC was in fact atheism. 😎
Problem of Evil...
God's dealing with evil, but his Love & Goodness is allowing humanity chance to come to Salvation in a better way than just condemnation of their evil.
God does not "deal" with evil. He created evil. It says so in Isaiah 45:7 ►King James Bible
"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."
God is Holy. God doesn't make evil, He uses evil for good and He overcomes evil. God is sovereign.
@@AleksAvramJeff
If god didn't create evil beings, then he isn't all powerful. If he did, he isn't that good.
@@jonatand2045 God is Holy, he won against all evil because He is good and because of it He only allowed evil for His glory. Amen.
@@AleksAvramJeff
Allowing evil for glory so god can look like the good guy?
Where can I find that Tim Keller quote? Id love to share that and dive into it more to gain more context.
What about those so called Christians who preach and believe in the prosperity gospel, is that just a heresy or is that also part of progressive Christianity ?
I like that comment " its not progressive its regressive" then she took it back to the beginning with first words of doubt. Everything can be traced back to the Garden.
Yes, the Garden is a fairy tale. I'm so glad you understood that.
"Liberalism is not Christianity." ~ J. Gresham Machen
You can still be a liberal christian. All you have to do is not be dick.
Call it what it is: leftist, liberal Christianity.
Christ was an atheist in that he did not believe in the prevailing gods of the day. We believe he was/is the prevailing God for all days and the dayless.
I would be curious to hear your view of the role of women in the church.
Progressing straight to the pit of hell!!!
The flip side is that this younger generation sees the shallowness of their parents Faith, and they begin to crave true Faith. I find this to be more likely, especially since TLM is extremely popular among the youth, and the young generation today is extremely conservative
First question: what is TLM?
Secondly, as a conservative teenager myself, I can see the the tide of the youths shifting very strongly to the left.
Paul taught “Progressive Christianity.”
“Progressive” which also means: enlightened, modern, radical, tolerant, broad, wide, ect.
*1 Corinthians 9:20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;*
*1 Corinthians 9:21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.*
(1 Cor 9:21 Ya all can't get much more tolerant and radical than to become without law)
*1 Corinthians 10:23 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.*
(1 Cor 10:23 Ya just can't become any more broad and wide than claiming all things are lawful to me.)
*1 Corinthians 8:9 But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.*
*1 Corinthians 8:10 For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols;*
*1 Corinthians 8:11 And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?*
(1 Cor 8:9-10 Ya can't be more enlightened than the weaker brother than to have a liberty to sit at meat in the idol's temple and eat those things which are offered to idols. Just don't do it in front of a weaker unenlightened brother who might take offense.)
Paul progressed away from Jesus' sayings, Jesus' teachings, and Jesus' instructions. “Progressive Christianity” started with Paul.
_Paul brought progressive Christianity, and he proclaims to be the blind leader of the blind._
_Paul taught his followers in_ 2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, *not by sight:)*
_For those that have eyes to see in 2 Cor 5:7 Paul writes the inclusive word _*_“we”_*_ which includes himself as a _*_“not by sight”_*_ leader._
_Furthermore Paul taught his followers to be blind (not by sight) followers._
_Thus by Paul's own writings he is a blind leader of the blind._
3:23, 3:57
There is no such thing as progressive Christianity. “Progressive Christianity” is another term for Idolatry.
Every kind of Christianity is idolatry.
AMEN!!!!!
Progressives hear the voice of the Serpent ask "Did God really say?" and conclude that He did not.
No frrrr, I've seen many "progressive" Christians try to justify sins and flip God's word to fit their lifestyle
thats actully a really good way to put it.
@@ChristellesCorners so do conservative Christians
@@christelleilmet3601 I'll be happy if u can list them
@@Closetorouter619 slavery, segregation, police brutality, sexism, racism, misogyny, and bigotry. Basically everything in american history that the american Church has backed and defended. For example in modern times is trump supporters who call themselves Christians and say that Black Lives Matter is umbilical even though there’s so many scriptures where God tells us to stand up and help the oppressed, to not show favoritism of any kind (for example being racist) and to not murder, yet these same trump supporters who identifies as Christians back the police the same ppl who murder black ppl for no reason, show favoritism (being racist), and literally oppress ppl.
Spot on
Lukewarm Christians hitting that dislike button quicker than John running to the empty tomb😂
“They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us.”
1 John 2:19 (NASB1995)
Many progressive Christians still hold gospel truths in there theology, so they haven’t left the body of Christ.
So what.
And yet, "My brothers, if one of you should wander from the truth and someone should bring him back, consider this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and cover over a multitude of sins." - James 5.
Where there is life there is [still] hope!
@@LilacDaisy2 I definitely agree, and pray they repent. I wish eternal hell on no one.
Amen.
Excellente' very succinct and profound explanation. I'm gonna memorize this!
And memorizing bullcrap is a good thing!
@Justin Gary quit spamming
@Justin Gary There's no way I have time to read all of that my suggestion is to start your own UA-cam video instead of tagging on to someone else's. I know you mean well and I hope some people do take the time to read what you have to say The attention span of most people is very very short
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence." ... NLT: "I do not let women teach men or have authority over them. Let them listen quietly." Timothy 2.12
@@derekallen4568 LOL 😂
"The teachings of the Bible aren't progressive. They're eternal."
Hit the nail right on the head.
Actually is progressive... Books were progressively added to the Bible.
Amen 🙏
Are you including the owning humans as property part?
@@afriendofafriend5766no, that was a rule abolished in the NT.
1 Timothy 4:1- in the last days many will depart their faith. We are getting very close to the end, believers in Christ. Hang in there.
People have been saying that for two thousand years, how do you know that we’re getting close to the end ?
@@JamesRichardWiley How do you know that Jesus actually said that when it was written down by someone else ?
@@pattycake1234 John 10:27 *My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:*
John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, *( and G2532 )* they follow me:
The word (And) *G2532 καί* kai Apparently a primary particle, having a copulative and sometimes also a cumulative force; and, also, even, so, then, too, etc.; often used in connection (or composition) with other particles or small words: - and, also, both, but, even, for, if, indeed, likewise, moreover, or, so, that, then, therefore, when, yea, yet.
John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, ( *so* G2532 ) they follow me:
John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, ( *also* G2532 ) they follow me:
John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, ( *for* G2532 ) they follow me:
John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, ( *if* G2532 ) they follow me:
John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, ( *indeed* G2532 ) they follow me:
John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, ( *likewise* G2532 ) they follow me:
John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, ( *moreover* G2532 ) they follow me:
John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, ( *therefore* G2532 ) they follow me:
John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, ( *when* G2532 ) they follow me:
John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, ( *yea* G2532 ) they follow me:
@Justin Gary Personally, I don’t believe what your saying about atheism is true. A lot of them love believers going to church if it brings them joy. Many atheists respect Christianity are are friends with Christians. If the atheists online are not kind, they’re not speaking for all. Many are kindhearted.
@Justin Gary The temple Jesus was talking about in Matthew 24, was when the temple was torn in two after His crucifixion from what I’ve heard. Could you give me the verses on the prophecy of Israel becoming a nation again ?
5:40
I'm sure that I once said as well that they're regressive. Good that someone agrees.
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This is something we need to guard against! This is excellent information, love the format.
Any sect of "Christianity" that preaches that Christ was of the same "chosen people" tribe as Jeffrey Epstein and Leon Trotsky is "progressive" or "liberal". That's another thing this sect and atheism have in common - both will smear you as " antisemitic " for speaking truth. Nowhere in the Bible did Christ claim to be a kosherite.
@@extract8058 are you seriously saying that Jesus wasn't a Jew? LOL
@@scambammer6102 did Jesus practice Judaism or ever claim to be a jew? The answer is no.
Yea, by fulfilling the Jewish prophecy of the coming messiah I would say it’s safe to say He was a Jew. He was also born of a Jew into a Jewish family.
You sincerely don’t know ghat?
@@ianalan4367Jesus was a Jew. He was born of a Jewish mother, in Galilee, a Jewish part of the world. All of his friends, associates, colleagues, disciples, all of them were Jews. He regularly worshipped in Jewish synagogues. He preached from Jewish text (the Hebrew Bible). He celebrated the Jewish festivals. He went on pilgrimage to the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem where he was under the authority of priests.... He was born, lived, died, taught as a Jew. The gospels have no reference that Jesus was anything other than a Jew. Christianity did not exist when Jesus was alive.
"Progressive" Christianity sounds alot like a euphimism for apostasy.
Indeed it really is!
It's apostasy...when you reach that level there is no turning back ...God has mercy
Progressivism is definitely one of the roads to apostasy.
@@israelc.8586 false
@@renembemba122 it isn't,is anyone here illogical.
Progressive Christianity? What happened to just calling them false prophets?
Why would anyone call them that? They are just people that don't take religion to seriously which is what the world needs.
That is too harsh to the sensitive snowflakes today. Language is used to deceive the masses.
@@TheBarser but don't tell me ,they are Christians according to the Bible .
@@christianktb1952 is anyone? Most people here are Conservative American protostants. They usually do the exact opposite of jesus teachings of helping others. Jesus said a rich person will have a hard time to go to heaven. That goes against the American capitalist egocentric worldview.
@@TheBarser yep , but the point is a true Christian knows the target 🎯 , hitting the middle is what we call PERFECTION , God is holy , God is Perfect . Imagine the target is his commandments ,the point is all about pointing your arrow to the target and going towards it . So Do progressive Christians goes towards the right direction? If you wanna know the commandments we have to read the Bible .The BIble tells of being holy and not sinning ,on the other side it is said we are humans and are not perfect . Paul said ,“we are striving towards perfection " keyword -striving . As a Christian , we do our best to follow his commandments . Which means we have to obey all of it or accept them . Unlike progressive Christianity . And yes the Bible said. “It is easier for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God than for a rich man ." That does mean we have to be poor to be saved or to be rich to be saved . We are saved through faith and baptism in Christ alone . If you read Mat 19 , you will see it , about the rich man and from the verse I quoted , if you read further ,the disciple actually asked a question saying “who then can be saved ?" Jesus replied "with men this is impossible , but with God it is possible ".
“Did God really say?...”. Powerful stuff.
God never said anything
@@TheBarser I pray for your sake you change your mind. Otherwise, God will indisputably say to you “Depart from me, for I never knew you”
@Richard Fox nope what
@@benjaminfisher750 If he wants me to follow him, he needs only to prove himself to me. But so far there is 0 evidence for any God/Gods.
@@TheBarser The Bible says the evidence is all around - in nature/gravity, creation, and I would argue the impossibility - not improbability - that any of this, or even you, could have formed without intelligent design. It is a statistical impossibility that even a 150-amino acid chain compromising just one of four life-sustaining hemoglobin subunits could have bonded in the specific order they have to function. Just one of four subunits. Consider that the alteration causing sickle cell anemia , a devastating change in shape to the cell resulting in pain and premature death, is from just ONE substitution at the seventh location in subunit B. Now consider the multitude of varied cells with their imperative functions that all had to form, at the same time and in their specific order, for you to have life. Much of that I learned in my RN education. None of that is not possible without God. The Bible says in Colossians 1:16-17 “For by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in Earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him, and for Him. He is before all things, and by Him all things consist (held together).” The Bible also says in Romans 1:19-20, “Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them (men); for God hath shewed it into them. For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, so they are without excuse”. You see my friend, the God of the Bible is showing Himself to you everyday by your very existence and the creation you’ve been surrounded with. Moreover, with the easiest reconciliation to our Creator made possible through the simple belief in Jesus Christ, it’s within your grasp to seize eternal life forever in heaven and avoid eternal damnation to hell.
We were warned that in the last days many would fall away from the faith I'm not shocked I'm saddened but not shocked
The bible is not the Word of God. The bible testifies on the Word of God. The bible does not call it self the Word of God. The bible is very clear on who the Word of God is, and that is Jesus Christ.
I think you're splitting hairs on "Word". Both are true. Jesus is The Word and the Bible is God's word.
"All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness" II Timothy 3:16
@@festushaggen2563 …
I understand what he means.
1000s of Christians are having a relationship with the book but never seem to cross into a relationship with the author of the book.
Jesus resurrected. He’s willing and able to have an marvelous intimate relationship with any of us.
Imagine this scenario.
A man meets a woman and they fall in love. The next day he is called off to war. Eventually he is captured and spends decades in prison. He writes every day. She cherishes the letters and reads them every day.
Eventually he’s released from the POW camp and comes home. He is eager to see her and spend time with her.
She’s too busy rereading old letters to have a relationship with him.
Jesus is real. He’s willing to have a relationship with us.
I could share wonderful miraculous events because of my faith in him.
The Bible teaches me about him but it is not a relationship with him.
When you pray , you speak to Him , and when you read His word , he speaks to you , as long as you're baptised in water and Holy Spirit,
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@@memowilliam9889 That’s actually quite nicely put..
@@festushaggen2563 notice how the bible calls itself scripture not the Word of God. Even Jesus calls it scripture in john 5:39 and 5:40 You study[c] the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, 5:40 yet you refuse to come to me to have life.
“I warn everyone who hears the words of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds anything to these, God will give that person the plagues written about in this book. And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away that person’s share of the tree of life and of the holy city, which are written about in this book.” - Revelation 22:18-19 ERV
Powerful statement!🙂
You don't have to "add" or "substact" anything to give it a different meaning.
Nothing is changed in Memento movie when you watch it the second time but after seeing the end of it, you can never unsee it again and the entire movie when watched again is completely different, yet the same.
Revelation, Apocalypse - it all means the same: to unhide something that was hidden. Once you do that, then everything will change, yet it will be the same: just two people looking at the same thing but seeing different things. Yet, internally, what this process of "plot twist" do to you is completely destroy you to tiny pieces and rebuilds you - you become unknown to your surrounding and the best you can do is be quiet because when you open your mouth and speak the truth you've learned, it's like a roar of the lion everyone wants to run away from, since it would, also, destroy them to little pieces and they'd have to rebuild themselves.
Like when you speak to flatearthers and speak the truth, show them evidence and they're left with: "my life's based on a lie and everything I know is wrong" or "f*** this assh*le and his BS, he's just part of conspiracy and I'm out of here".
Which is, of course, self preservation. Our knowledge is our life, our personality, any drastic change to it is better be avoided and people generally do it.
Whatever is your position on what New Testament is really talking about, I assure you, it's different than mine. And you couldn't stand the truth, same as flatearthers can't handle the truth or people can't handle lion's roar - you'd want it out of your face. Even NOW, with just s glimpse of it, you want it out of your face, out of your mind.
So, I'll grant you your wish and get out of here.
@@ScorpioHR 🤔🤔What????
@@jaywashington9404 It's too big of a gap to jump over. You know, like Neo didn't make the first jump.
It's the same story over and over again in every book, every movie ever written in the world. You see little snow flakes, I see endless ice rink to go wherever I want
@@jaywashington9404 ok, let's stick with Matrix universe, and find you a question to drive you in the right direction:
What, in the real world, is the truth, the way and the life?
What can "open eyes", "heal people", "bring intoxicating happiness like the one of drinking wine", what is not the part of the world we created and when it shows up has the power to destroy that world and rebuild it?
What had the power to make those who were first, last and those who were last, first?
What does bring anger (gnashing of teeth) and weeping (sorrow) to people who doesn't have it?
What does a book character named "Jesus" represent in reality where no dead body can walk nor teleport, the world without magic?
What do we get with every answer to a question? What is the treasure that cannot rot, treasure in "kingdom of heaven" that is "inside us"?
What is that what we find and leave everything behind us just to share it with the world?
What is in every book ever written in the world performing it's "miracles"?
Do you know the answer? Or you're still searching for *IT*?
Are you floating down there, or are you freely flying way up high?
I'm going to hang up the phone now.
Progressive Christianity is just wanting to have your cake and eat it.
“I want to be saved but I don’t want it to inconvenience my lifestyle...”
I came the other way. I was a neglected liberal pro abortion progressive left wing democrat.
I grew up, thought for myself, and became a God Worshipping traditional conservative.
6:07 of pure truth! Well done!
I attended church with some of these folks! Have since left the watered downs. Shame on the sham! Re-read the Word of God daily. It will be harder for the enemy of our souls to attack and lull you away from the Truth! Stay away from author Tony Compello writings also.
This past week I was asking God what He wanted from me. Within a few nights I literally heard actual real Angels singing about testifying His Name.
All of Heaven sings about the name of Jesus. Jesus lived a perfect life and never sinned. Those who know the Bible know how impossible it is to follow all of it without making a mistake. Jesus was able to follow all of the Bible fully without ever making one mistake. He was able to do that because He is the very essence of God. God is the hero of this story. He showed all of creation that only His Nature can overcome all sin and death. Even without all His power and Glory, Jesus who is God overcame all sin. He rose from the dead and revealed Himself to people including me. I have seen Jesus and when I called on His Name He answered. Because He answered I will make myself a fool for Him. I don’t care what anyone thinks of me because Jesus is real and when I was in His presence I was blown away by His Love and Majesty. Those who don’t know Jesus do not know Life. Jesus is Life and only in Him are we made whole and complete. Only in Him do we find forgiveness of sin.
God answered my prayer when I asked Him what He wanted me to do. He sent Angels singing to testify His Name. He wants me to testify. Hope this testimony encouraged you 🙏 🐑
Well-said. Thank you!
Putting away Christ in Christian is just Ian.
That there is just Ianism
And the suffix -ian just means “follower”
So they just following nothing 😂😂
Oh how they've left what the Bible stands, just fulfilling the prophecies of Revelations..
@@mooooo1974 I know right, I've really notice how they're fullfilling it, I'm a bit scared and excited at the same time 😂🥺
@@shamarwashington5574 Following themselves 😂
@@rizatizon5145 I'm not scared if what is driving it is an infinite being
Christianity will never go back to its roots until we stop using the regressive language dictoniary.
Bart Campolo: "I don't believe it any more."
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Bible: "One of two things: 1) You never believed it to begin with. OR 2) The world may have tricked you into thinking you don't believe it. But Good News: there is still time to repent and receive God's grace."
@@JamesRichardWiley you seek miracle and wonder. That not faith
@@JamesRichardWiley The repentance of salvation is something that only God can give. Human repentance is a work and cannot save. True repentance is a result of salvation and occurs when God makes a person born again.
@William Swiger You have the wisdom of the world, which is worthless.
@@terminat1 That is partially untrue... You must change your mind about your sin... See yourself as God does. Once that happens legitimately, then the work of the Spirit can begin. You must then respond in a way that pleases God. This relationship must endure til the end.
@@Scrufboy None of that can happen because the unsaved person is dead in sins. God has to do everything, but He only chose to do so for His elect.
2 Corinthians 6:
14 Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? 15 What harmony is there between Christ and Belial[b]? Or what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? 16 What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God.
So we can only spread the Gospel to people who already believe?
What happened to "It is the sick who need a doctor." and "I did not come for the righteous but the sinners."
@@InitialPC this video speaks specifically to people who already “claim” to believe. Of course, unbelievers are held to a different standard and of course they need to hear the gospels no matter their state of depravity. Here, we are talking about the so-called progressive church who ignore the parts of the gospel that they don’t like. There is a rather obvious distinction here.
Concerning Bart Campolo: I had his father for sociology in college, and all I can say is- I'm not surprised. His dad is a big time fraud.
What College was this?
@@arthurgearheard4701 Eastern University (College at the time) outside of Philly
Good synopsis. Following Christ has been counter-cultural since the countenance of Cain fell and he murdered Able. Moses's people had a series of trials and failures, being tempted as they were by other cultures as they wandered, or as they pinned for the security (even in slavery) and the leeks, onions and flesh pots of Egypt. The history of the world is the history of that specific problem. And if you're questioning whether the Bible is a true historical account, then go and watch the many videos that Francois du Plessis has made for Amazing Discoveries Africa. There is MUCH being discovered in archeology that has caused the world to go silent. The rocks, however, are crying out, just as was prophesied!
I've gotten to a point where I'd ask "God did you actually say?" And He'd confirm whether He did or not.
How
@@sovereigngrace9723 I've placed such a trust in Him that I just know what He truly says.
@@generalgrievous- how do you know what He truly says
@@sovereigngrace9723 When you've given your all to Him in trust that He will always care for you and love you, you get a greater understanding of what He actually tells you, and you feel it.
@@generalgrievous- based off what? Our emotional feeling? Is there any objectivity? Tell me, does Satan also communicate on this plane of thought? And also our own heart?
Tim keller had a book on romans that helped me in Gods sovereignty on salvation (not faith in my faith but faith in the work of Jesus that is unchanging)..... But now I believe he is slowly opening the door to progressive Christianity as he seeks to look at the issue of racism/social justice in a worldly way while pretending to be biblical about it... He himself is slipping into the very things he warned of. Anyway great points and truly we must watch our doctrine.
Good video. I would bet this was Bart's thinking "How can I make money off my dad's name that will sell? Oh I know say I am an atheist. Son of famous preacher turns from faith is provocative"
What's wrong with getting rich playing the tax free religion game?
Miracles confirm God's existence
Are there any confirmed miracles?
Do they though?
@@albertfralinger2711 the simple answer is no, and these kinds of arguments are the reason to why it is impossible to take theists seriously
@@ATOK_ Unbelief is a choice, not a lack of evidence. If you reply to me, I choose to believe you are a robot and not a real person.
@@ATOK_ why should I take you seriously when you say they don't happen. Do you have another explanation why they occur
"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding." - Proverbs 3:5
Which is to say stop the worship service at the altar of the frontal cortex.
Can't say I was ever progressive, but there was a journey, coming to grips that the Bible is the word of God. I thought it was 98% true, but let enough a gap to let all religions be true. Looking back, I can see that truth was chipping away at my original approach. I had to readjust my focus, but I was never progressive, if that makes sense
"Progressive" is just a euphemism for Kosher. Nowhere in the Bible did Christ claim to be a kosherite.
How do you know the bible is God’s word ?
Thats how it was for me too
How can you be certain that Christianity is true and all other religions in the world are false? Google tells me there's some 4300 total religions in the world. Have you studied the teachings of all of them?
You don't need to study many religions but many have done it and came to the conclusion that Jesus is the Truth. Christianity changed the world and brought the most progress to humanity and the Bible is the most important work of literature in human history.
The Bible is about the moral standard God expects and the immorality humans show God. If the Bible explained everything, imagine how big it would be.
Dawkins lookin' kinda fresh wit dat drip ngl 😳😳
They think they're making fun of him lmao
@@teenhydroponix134 they? bro i'm them too im just making a joke 😂😂
Damn I though I found a fellow atheist in comments, oh well good day to you!
@AMM777 incorrect. There are transitional forms, or at least, creatures whose fossils show an evolutionary link between, say, dinosaurs and birds. The Archaeopteryx and the Pedopenna show that the evolutionary link between dinosaurs and birds is a well supported claim. However, that doesn't mean there should thousands of transitional forms. Not every living mammal is connected to every other one. It's in an interconnected web. Also, the laws of science break down when we go from the macroscopic to the microscopic. Conservation of mass and energy, two of the most fundamental laws of physics, are broken when we measure the masses of a radioactive nucleus and it's daughter nuclei. Classical physics fails at the singularity because it's just that small. That doesn't mean a creator is necessary. We don't know whether it was a sentient creator or not. I'm open to the possibility of one, but that doesn't mean I'm going to live my life based on conjecture. And you actually don't think evolution is true? The principles of natural selection? There's proof of evolution everywhere. The new coronavirus variants that plague India. The fact that insects developed thicker shells and more resistant nerve cells when DDT was used on them. The muscle plamaris Longus that's absent in 14 percent of the human population. The weird thing some people can do by wiggling their ears. They're all things that were necessary for our ancestors, but not for us. Furthermore, let's assume an omnipotent god actually did create us. Why did he give us an appendix, or wisdom teeth? For fun? I'm dubious as to your claims about Lucy and the other evidence, so I'll research them. But dude, evolution is real.
@AMM777 the piltdown man was a fraudulent piece of evidence made by an amateur archaeologist. It isn't and never was archaeological evidence. However, your claim that they reconstructed Lucy based on a tooth is incredibly incorrect. They had multiple bones from across the body. Also, your claim of fossils of a man with arthritis being used as scientific proof are also wholly incorrect. I've tried looking for it, but all I've seen are 50,000 and 45,000 year old fossils found in France in 1909 and 1908. One of them was an elderly male, yes, but a neanderthal nonetheless. What other so called evidence do you have against evolution?
Progressive christianity also rejects literal interpretations of the Genesis creation account and global flood. Also willing to accept women as pastors. All their positions begin with rejecting the authority of Holy Scripture and the sovereignty of the LORD.
I’m not agreeing with progressive Christianity but something that I notice in the Church is how we only point out and talk about how dangerous progressive Christianity is and then act like conservative Christianity isn’t as dangerous even doe it is. Like y’all are so ready to point out how progress Christians twist the Bible for their own agenda (which they do) but have been mute for years when conservative Christians (who follow conservative Christianity) twist the Bible to condone racism. Or how the product of conservative Christianity is straight up bigotry even doe bigotry is literally what the Bible is against
Some of my favorite quotes here: "Letting go of historical doctrines is addictive… Once a person makes their own thoughts, feelings, and opinions the authoritative source for truth, their spirituality is going to reflect what they prefer rather than what is necessarily true… If you pick and choose what you want to believe, how will you ever have a God that can contradict you? [You instead] have a god of your own making."
No doubt.
3:15 that is an interesting form of morality, and thats the only way I can see secular morality working, as that is extremely relative and subjective. I really prefer an objective form of morality however, since that is closer to reality.
@@JamesRichardWiley Have you ever wondered where that golden rule comes from? Or... Do you already know?
You just said in the same breath that you cant follow it, meanwhile you just said you do, at least in part. Its not like that concept was lifted from somewhere else, the orgin of "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" is in Mathew 7:12. You condradict yourself.
How so? Both the theist and the atheist first pick their standard and from that morality comes. It's just that the theist picks God's word as the standard and the atheist mostly pick something like 'human wellbeing' or so. Given the weird and terrrible stuff from in the former, I'd rather pick the latter.
@@Zeus-bn3nc Well the theist has an unchanging, and non-contradictive standard of morality. If there's a moral grey area we have texts to turn to, so that we can see what is morrally correct, objectively. To an atheist, its the whims of their own feelings, whatever "feels" moral, which is subject to much weirder, and much more terrible stuff than theism. There's no text backing it, so atheists have no real reason to remain consistent.
@@Yipper64 Morality for the atheist needs an axiomatic goal; everything else follows from that. It's not on a whim or what feels good.
Morality for the theist needs an axiomatic goal too; usually that is to follow scriptural morality, whether that is God's word or not.
The only thing you can change is the axiomatic goal, but you always need that. So you can never say one's morality is objective, truly. It is only ever objective within the chosen framework of the goal.
@@Zeus-bn3nc Ok, so how can a goal be axiomatic, who says when a goal is self-evident, or unquestionable? Because if that goal is given by a person, it is certainly questionable. Why would any person not be questionable? God is unquestionable, and so having goals that alighn with God are the only truly axomatic goals.
“Don’t mold the world to fit the Bible, mold the Bible to fit the world”
In other words… don’t try to cram reality into the Bible.. you must cram the Bible into reality.
Okay...
That’s not exactly the idea. The Bible is a lens in which we view the world through. So when something happens in the world you need to have the Bible as a foundation, not the current political or socioeconomic view.
As always with things like this, it comes down to the question of what do you say about the man called Jesus?
It more like “submit to Gods Word as the authority and ultimate truth, not the world”. Either way you are the one serving your worldview, not the other way around… we are either slaves to the apathetic, fruitless or evil idols of this world, or slaves to Christ who knows us better than we know ourselves and laid his life down for his flock.
@@markbrandonpowell9908 As I said,
“Don’t cram reality to fit the Bible, cram the Bible to fit reality”
*If* the Bible said the earth was flat and the earth is actually round, you take reality that the earth is round rather than flat
That’s what a lot of Christians do… science for example; evolution in particular, people mold reality to fit the Bible, hence people believe we were literally created directly, Christians will sit there and deny evolution without taking the facts of reality into consideration
Christians believe we were created directly “molding reality to fit the Bible”
Evidence points towards us being evolved
“Molding the Bible to fit reality”
@@RedeemedRose1 submit to what the evidence points to being true
1. They don't believe in the Bible
2. They don't believe in the One God
3. They aren't Christians
Easy!
I never understood progressive christianity. How can you deny the word of god when you don't like it?
The bible speaks of one true church... theyre just 1 of the many false churches lol
Because People think they can argue with god and win the argument
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@@MS-qy4sx speaking against the bible or god himself is allready a sin, there is no way on earth for any man to recieve salvation if they dealt the bible or god the slightest bit☠️
@@andreherbst9057 Yeah and Yet god is still there. Despite your best attempts little atheist. So what else do you got ? Oh how is it with your religous belief of god not existing, Oh yeah you believe the fairy tale that everything was created by nothing :) How delightfully Absurd and without a trace of logical, and critical thought to back that up.
If people renounce god, does that make thier lives worse or better?... Why do most people that commit suicide are athiests?