Actually the verse in Numbers in most translations does not refer to miscarriage. Only the New International Version does. You will not find a single translation that references it because most scholars agree that it actually refers to barrenness and has therefor nothing to do with an induced miscarriage but rather infertility.
@@Beverley30333 Because if she is guilty it makes her infertile. It would literally not make any sense for this form of testimony to be applied because not all adulterous women become pregnant. It makes a lot more sense that as punishment she would not be able to bear children anymore.
Well he’s using the NIV, that the NIV the ERV version which is basically a kids Version and it’s not a direct translation, and also the New living translation, which is also not a direct translation and has been heavily criticized.
@@Beverley30333 it was to test if she had been faithful to her husband, and the very next verse says she will conceive children implying that she wasn’t pregnant.
@@Scaramousche1955 Your Creationist crap is meaningless. Look up genetic fallacy. Then come back and try an actual argument or just STFU. She was actually anti-abortion too. So what?
So Cenk taking a verse completely out of context, and using bad hermeneutics and the incorrect translation to show that the Bible supports abortion, is why you think that very interesting. And again it doesn’t matter if they haven’t read the Bible, what’s better somebody who has never read something or somebody who has read something yet can’t comprehend it and takes it out of context, i’ll let you be the judge of that. And the funny thing is most Internet atheists that complain about Christians being dogmatic or biased are just as biased and dogmatic as them if not significantly more.
For those interested: The "bitter water" is made from the leaves of the Rue plant. This bitter tea or bitter water has chemical properties that provoke or induce a miscarriage/abortion.
No, that’s coming from the NIV version, which has been critique to death by scholars it’s not an accurate translation of this verse, because it uses the Hebrew term, for womb and the Hebrew term for a miscarriage, which can be found nowhere in the original Hebrew for Numbers 5.
Some versions translate “womb will miscarry” as “she will drop/lose her limb”, but that is because fetuses are considered an appendage of a woman and not a human being.
God supposedly killed everyone in sodom and gomora, and also nearly everyone on the planet with the great flood. Does this mean God condones murder? Well he also said thou shall not kill, so according to the Bible we aren’t supposed to kill each other.
This is hard for you, I know. I grew up Christian. Take your time with it. "God is Love", right? So accept this lesson with love, not hate or the proto-typical "demonization" Christians do to non-believers. Is it worth it, shutting down your mind to facilitate Christo-Fascism in America? Serious question...
Cenk Uygur is definitely Wrong to state that God is pro-abortion. Cenk is misinforming people in order to make them agree with his pro-abortion position. Please watch the UA-cam video: Refuting "The Young Turks" on the Bible and Abortion.
Really, he is preaching out of the Bible and you're failing to believe him? I'm a Presbyterian Christian, and at the same time I'm Pro Choice and a Progressive.
It's right in your own bible and yet you won't believe your own bible? I have known this for many years. It's true. The claim that life begins at conception is a OPINION given by the Catholic church. Not the bible.
Look up Leviticus 27:6. God begins to value human life at one month of age. No value for the unborn. The Bible clearly says God commands that we are to care for the poor, the old, the immigrant, legal and illegal. The Bible absolutely does not say anything about banning abortion.
that my dear, contradicts Leviticus 27:6 The Bible is inconsistent. Written by many people for a long time but as time goes by, scriptures go against each other @@kavanroy
I've been quoting and referencing Numbers like this for decades in relation to this topic, thank you Cenk, and thank you all who spread this holy message of the lord. On a side note, ever notice Atheists know the Bible better than most? Makes you think that actually reading your holy books might make you think.
Wish more people actually read whatever book they codon to follow. You probably have as much luck changing minds with this scripture as I do: blank stares then word soup to justify not changing.
This is scripture endorsing a forced abortion where the man gets the only say, and only when your wife is impregnated by another man. This isn't what you're advocating dummy. If it is, then based.
@@novitriolhere it works, it's just a delayed effect. Pointing out hypocrisy is always a slow, tedious, and thankless route to changing minds, but sometimes it's the only thing that works. Take those blank stares as a small win and don't give up.
And this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to rot: And the woman shall say, Amen, amen. Numbers:5:22
Cenk Uygur is definitely Wrong to state that God & the Bible are pro-abortion. Cenk is misinforming his viewers. Please watch on UA-cam: Refuting "The Young Turks" on the Bible and Abortion.
Just as pertinent, the same Bible states clearly several times that life exists "from the first breath to the last". Outside those very clear boundaries a person is *not* alive _according to the Bible._
@@johnnaylor8816 oh, it's on! Luke 19:40 : "I tell you," he said, "if they remain silent these (lifeless) stones will cry out. Numbers 22:28 : Then YHWH (whose name is ineffable) opened the *donkey's* mouth and it said to Balaam... Even rocks and donkeys are animated at God's whim. Also, you conveniently forgot to mention that Elizabeth's baby was in the 3rd trimester( over 6 months old) and can breathe on its own if taken out of her. Abortion at that stage is illegal under Roe v Wade.
Thanks for posting. Moral of the story the way I interpreted this is: abortion is actually a punishment. When a woman gets an abortion she’s hurting herself. We as women know it’s not an easy situation.
I don’t take his word at face value actually look this verse up for yourself and look up the original Hebrew that’s being used in the text, he’s a bad faith clown and a disingenuous liar that has zero credibility.
More importantly it's killing. Who comes to Cenk for a Bible study! Vast majority don't translate that to miscarriage, it's to make barren. & in verse 28 it even says she can "...then...conceive seed" which is when life starts.
@@pleaseenteraname1103 Cenk Uygur is definitely wrong to state that God is pro-abortion. You can watch on UA-cam: Refuting "The Young Turks" on the Bible and Abortion
"If a fetus is a person at 6 weeks pregnant, is that when the child support starts? Is that also when you can't deport the mother because she's carrying a US citizen? Can I insure a 6-week fetus and collect if I miscarry? Just figuring if we're going there, we should go all-in" - Carliss Chatman, Law Professor, Washington and Lee University (2019)
Or those that say it starts at conception so does child support start a conception a undocumented immigrant can’t get deported cause “she’s caring a US conceived baby” etc. sadly the collect if I miscarry something women are legit being thrown in jail for a miscarriage or stillbirth like a miscarriage or stillbirth isn’t traumatic enough now she gotta worry about jail time.
The child support is the feeding of the wife from the man The literal biology of the human body and laws can’t really do anything since there in the same place its just a dumb argument laws don’t consider it a person because it get more right when it it’s breathing dosent give the mother reason to commit murder Basically your “arguments” are exuses
@@markcollins2704 You either: A) Didn’t get it because you CHOOSE not to. B) Didn’t actually READ it (illiterate? ADHD?) C) Are too stupid to realize this is sarcasm and is actually insulting to you anti-abortion (“pro-life”? LMFAO!!) fundie nutjob idiots. Hope that helps you maneuver our shared reality better.
I have been quoting numbers to a lot of people for many years. I even quoted it to my father, who happened to be a minister. He scowled at me yes, but he could not deny it. By the way, Adam and Eve who pro-choice as well. They were given the option eternal life or knowledge. They did not choose life.
They were made to choose life, it was predetermined. If God did not want them to eat the apple why did it exist in the center of the garden in the first place? Additionally, why was Satan in the garden? If you get a room put a bowl of candy in the middle of it and put a bunch of children in there and tell em not to eat it what are they going to do? Eat the darn candie. It's that simple. He wanted them to eat the apple it wouldn't have been there otherwise. IMHO, I think he wanted to create perfectly loyal beings and when he found out they weren't loyal he abandoned us to ourselves. Or did he.
I can deny it. That passage does not in any way certify abortion. It is a supernatural judgement ONLY to be used in a trial of adultery. And it would be GOD doing the miscarriage…because regular floor dust doesn’t cause abortion on its own…and ONLY if the women who drinks the dust-water committed adultery. The dust doesn’t know if she cheated on her husband or not.
@@swagraptor5477 The very next verse says she will conceive children implying she was never pregnant to begin with, most translations don’t use the term miscarriage, they say cause her thigh to rot or to shrivel, and the Hebrew term (fécheme) which is the term used for womb in the Masoretic text, and also the NIV is not a direct translation, and also the word Hebrew word for miscarriage is not present here either.
Some propose that Numbers 5:11-31 refers to God causing an abortion. The 2011 edition of the NIV mistakenly states that the drink will cause miscarriage in Numbers 5:21-22, 27. However, this is not what the passage is talking about. Pregnancy is nowhere mentioned, or even hinted at, in the text. The only thing that even sounds like pregnancy is the guilty wife’s stomach becoming bloated, but even in that instance, it has nothing to do with pregnancy. Further, the passage does not say that drinking the concoction would cause an abortion/miscarriage. While drinking a poisonous mixture of ingredients could very well cause a miscarriage, that is not what this text is speaking of.
Oh that's nice if you'd only have this same energy and learned about embryology and fetal development you'd figure out a fetus is not a baby! The main difference is that yours is an interpretation vs mine based on facts! 🤡
And the very next verse says she will conceive children implying that she wasn’t pregnant, and Hebrew term that’s used for miscarriage is nowhere in the original Hebrew for this verse ,neither is the Hebrew term for womb.
@@pleaseenteraname1103 oh buddy🤦♂️ I never mentioned anything about when life starts! Plus a life is not a life if it can't survive! So READ before you comment! Also now that you're doing your 1st year biology reading, read something about fetal development and viability! Here's an effing clue it's FETAL LUNG DEVELOPMENT! It's just 5 stages but just read up on them specially the Cannalicular stage! At least you'll learn something today!
Absolutely! Myself, I was obsessed with the bible at a young age. Actually I was wanting to become a priest. I read the bible cover to cover twice. The more I read it the more I realised I can’t believe in all this anymore. Unfortunately, christians in general, do not read the bible. They just listen to a crazy preacher running back and forth on the stage, flapping his arms around, yelling and speaking gobbledygook language.
@@trashcatlinol really? read a bit more: Deuteronomy 22 - 28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels[c] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.
0:05 Only if you have an NIV, which is why it is the ONLY version Cenk ever quotes it from. BTW the NIV was only written in 1973, so every translation before it from the last 2000 years didn't say that a miscariage took place, so no you're dead wrong Cenk.
@@user-xs2qq7kv9w lol. Reading it to know what your talking about would be a start. You're claiming it says something that's not there, because you hate God & His Word.
Also the NIV that he is reading out of has been rewritten over the years. The one I have on my shelf from 1978 in Numbers 5:21, 22 & 24 it doesn’t even use the word miscarriage. It says the abdomen swells and the thigh waste away. So as the others say she is not pregnant. Then he even read verse 28 at the end “she will be cleared of guilt and will be able to have children. Other current versions uses similar words as my 1978 NIV.
@@madewhole-ev4uy WTF are you smoking, fundie? Are you suggesting that because YOU don’t understand how humanity came to be that therefore it must be an ‘illusion’? Isn’t it possible that the Bible is just an ancient book of myths that only CHRISTIANS assign such existential importance to? If the Bible never mentioned germs or any other scientific facts its authors couldn't have known about (but GAWD did!), why revere it so much you doubt your own existence?
@@k8aik8ai Cool. So then this question should be easy for you since YOU’RE the “educated” one: How does one tell the difference between what is indoctrination and what is education? SUPER easy, right? Then go for it, fundie. Can’t wait….. (Psssst….this is a trick question that ACTUAL indoctrinated folks will always fail, so answer ‘wisely’)
@@k8aik8ai Thought so... EVERY fundie on the web is a chicken shit who can't defend your beliefs with even the most cursory arguments. AND YET, you want us all to respect them and allow YOU to determine OUR law? Good luck with that…
There is also the time he sent an angel to take out the first born sons of Egyptians. Some of those had to be babies, and, by Conservative logic, it is possible to perform an abortion after a baby is born and claim Democrats support that.
How often did God go and hardened Pharao's heart so that he could perform another stunt? See Job, God made a bet with Satan and took his most faithful believer, took away his wealth, killed his livestock, his servants, his family and covered him in sores. Nothing of that Job had deserved, it was just God showing off to Satan.
@@KennyRodgers930 Exodus 9:12; "But the LORD hardened Pharaoh’s heart and he would not listen to Moses and Aaron, just as the LORD had said to Moses."
Exodus 10:1: "Then the LORD said to Moses, “Go to Pharaoh, for I have hardened his heart and the hearts of his officials so that I may perform these signs of mine among them".
Exodus 10:20: "But the LORD hardened Pharaoh’s heart, and he would not let the Israelites go."
Exodus 10:27: "But the LORD hardened Pharaoh’s heart, and he was not willing to let them go."
Each time in the verses before Pharaoh told Moses they could go, then came above verses.
The LORD is EXPLICITLY mentioned each time.
When I see the whole story as that what it is meant and seen by most denominations in most countries, a parable to stress that the Israelites are God's chosen people and to vilify the Israelites' enemies, all is no problem.
But when I take the story how hardcore US fundamentalists take it, as LITERALLY correct, then I have to regard the words as they are.
Have a look into the Bible, maybe you find other interesting sections that are not quite as the preachers want to make them appear, drop them conveniently while pounding on the literal truth of others.
God is allowed to kill whoever he wants. He owns the universe. It’s only immoral when man kills another man. I don’t understand how you don’t realize that key difference.
John 1:12 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, LQBTQ RACISM - SINS ARE BEING COMMITTED BY THE ""CHILDREN OF GOD"" TO THE CHILDREN OF GOD.
Personally, 1) I'm a male from Central Texas who is pro-choice, but I feel that it's ultimately a women's right/decision to take birth control & that Roe V. Wade should remain in effect as it currently is. 2) When it comes to the 1st & 2nd trimester, I don't agree with the argument that the baby is truly alive even with a heartbeat since it also lacks a brain, its lungs, & an immune system, which are needed to keep it alive (& something like this happened to a family member whom I won't mention by name). 3) I was born & raised Christian (specifically Baptist), & in The Bible there is a story in the Book of Numbers where a man believes his wife committed adultery, so he asked God for help & he was told by God to give his wife an elixir that would've aborted the child if it wasn't his, so this story proves that The Bible isn't against abortions. 4) I believe that once a baby is born it should have affordable medical care/coverage for its entire life since I'm pro-life in that regard & not just pro-birth of the baby. 5) I don't believe male politicians should be able to create laws regulating what women can or can't do with their own bodies when that sets a precedent for female politicians to create laws regulating what men can do to theirs.
You sound like Californian. I am in this country for 18 years and still can’t process the fact why the abortion is government affair. I know money is the center of all discussions at the end of the day but there are other many issues that money is spent on. Why abortion is such passionate deal to republicans especially? I have only one answer so far- control. They want to control women. Mechanism of control never succeeds, females will fight.
You actually believe that the “elixir” on its own…made of nothing but dust and water…is able to not just cause an abortion…but ALSO differentiate in the woman’s behavior so that it ONLY causes the miscarriage of the woman committed adultery? No no no. That’s not how things work. This is a supernatural event. The only way this would work if it was by God’s hand. Only God would know that the woman had done the deed…and God himself would have to cause the abortion to happen. The whole process existed as a sign to the people. Everyone would know that dust water would NOT cause a miscarriage by default. And so if the process was followed as ordered and the miscarriage happened…then it would be divine proof that the woman committed adultery. This is a supernatural trial. It is not a green light for abortion.
This mistranslations from the 70s. The others recognize this as making her barren. Read a normal translation & you'll see in verse 28 it's before the seed has been conceived. I thought we should make laws about killing people.
Cenk Uygur is definitely Wrong to state that God & the Bible are pro-abortion. Please watch on UA-cam: Refuting "The Young Turks" on the Bible and Abortion.
Why do a woman have the right to murder her unborn child when she don't even Have the right to kill herself she can't go in the doctor's office and tell the doctor to Aboard her life they will put in a stray jacket and send her to the funny farm but she can kill her unborn child and they will call it abortion when it's Really call murder She tells the man he have nothing to say about a woman's body Then she tells the government stay out of a woman what to do with her own body but yet you asked the government to tell the man to pay far the child that you don't wantna murder But yet this man have nothing to say when it comes to you killing his child but But when he wants the baby when you want to keep the child you makes the government that you told to stay out of your body to make him pay Money out of his pocket when he gets his check
Since when do Christians actually read the Bible? The best way to create an atheist is to read the Bible. There is also that inconvenient little section sanctioning slavery as ok, with specific instructions on how to handle your slaves.
Christians who are well studied in the bible know that the bible supports a biblical form of slavery very different then modern slavery and we know it's totally moral and way better then the modern prison system.
@@innovationhq8230 since when is owning another human being as property ok in any era? The Bible says its ok to beat your slave, so it couldn't have been that great.
Well…Jesus also said in Matthew 13 that he is going to command his angels to execute every non-Christian when he returns. God is patient…but he is not going to hold back forever.
Cenk Uygur is definitely Wrong to state that God & the Bible are pro-abortion. Please watch on UA-cam: Refuting "The Young Turks" on the Bible and Abortion.
Old testament still counts. “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
Cenk Uygur is definitely Wrong to state that God & the Bible are pro-abortion. Please watch on UA-cam: Refuting "The Young Turks" on the Bible and Abortion.
It certainly is. And the CONTEXT proves the Bible is pro-abortion. Christians can't seem to say anything except what you say when STUMPED. You've been conned. Wakey, wakey! This time, the Libs OWN YOU!
Cenk Uygur is definitely Wrong to state that God & the Bible are pro-abortion. Cenk Uygur is not even using the Catholic Bible. Please watch on UA-cam: Refuting "The Young Turks" on the Bible and Abortion
Beware of the man who uses God’s name to do his own bidding. Saying “God wants us to do this” or “God wants us to do that”. You could wipe out an entire nation resting on his laurels.
We did enough nation overthrowing under Obama via rebel proxy armies. Was Obama a Christian monarch? I didn’t know. I thought he was IDK: liberation theology and a little quasi-Muslim. GW did his international screw-ups. Both let radical Islam swoop through the areas due to the hole in leadership we left in Iraq or the puppet assisted in, such as the one we got in Egypt (thankfully overthrown by the people) the entertainer with outright NAZIs that moved into the country in question. Biden also opened Afghanistan open to radical Islam.
@Ron30Mon Haha I didn't even read this until after responding to you. Really glad my "E)" says what it says now. Seriously, you are sick. Religon has made you SICK in the head, bro! I hate being right all the time about you dangerous folks...
Probably because the actual translation has nothing to do with a miscarriage. Only that the woman loses the ability to have children. There is nothing in that section of verses that say she is pregnant.
It’s embarrassing to use this verse to promote the falsehood of Biblically favored abortion, because it’s not true. ua-cam.com/video/Dwq3Z_z7iNw/v-deo.html
45 THOUSAND different sects of Christianity (and counting) is powerful evidence for your solid claim. Cheers! However, it's still worth showing them this "receipt".
They don’t have to they can use the correct translation, and many of them well not many but some of them have done their research and they know that the NIV is not accurate translation because, the Hebrew term for womb doesn’t appear anywhere in the original Hebrew for (Numbers 5), and again how does this prove the Bible proportion you know this how it’s being referred to as a curse,and again it’s not even what’s happening the verse has nothing to do with abortion.
Cenk Uygur is Wrong to state that God is pro-abortion. God is never in favor of abortion. Your statement that "God gives us free will to choose what we do" does not mean that God is pro-choice, & that God is, therefore, okay with pro-choice people who choose to do abortions. Abortion, which is the deliberate killing of innocent & defenseless unborn children, is an evil act that God certainly does not accept as morally right. Please watch on UA-cam: Refuting "The Young Turks" on the Bible and Abortion.
You think these evangelicals actually care about the bible? Besides, they would just use the argument that this is in the Old Testament and is superseded by the New Testament.
Old vs New... Same God...omniscient, omnipresent omnipotent... No linear time for God, so that argument (which the "new bible Christians" love to use)... Fails the test.
@@Christopher33312 they are not concerned with whether it passes or fails your test, as long as they can use any argument to justify their own beliefs, that’s all they care about.
Cenk Uygur is definitely Wrong to state that God is pro-abortion. Cenk is trying to misinform people to make them agree with Cenk's pro-abortion position. Please watch the UA-cam video: Refuting "The Young Turks" on the Bible and Abortion.
The night is black Without a moon The air is thick and still The vigilantes gather on The lonely torchlit hill Features distorted in the flickering light Faces are twisted and grotesque Silent and stern in the sweltering night Mob moves like demons possesed Quiet in conscience, calm in their right Confident their ways are best Ooh, ahh The righteous rise With burning eyes Of hatred and ill-will Madmen fed on fear and lies To beat and burn and kill They say there are strangers who threaten us Our immigrants and infidels They say there is strangeness, too dangerous In our theatres and bookstore shelves Those who know what's best for us Must rise and save us from ourselves Quick to judge Quick to anger Slow to understand Ignorance and prejudice And fear, walk hand in hand
Jumping in with my 2 cents - The passage in question, (Numbers 5) is contextually speaking about an old ceremonial ritual that the Israelites used when they suspected that someone may be cheating in a marriage. It’s critical to understand that what is described as taking place in this passage is very different from what we see with regards to our modern day abortion debate. The ceremony/ritual was their way of getting to the bottom of figuring out the truth in a “tricky” marriage situation. It wasn’t specifically about ending a pregnancy, and it should be noted that that’s not even mentioned in the text itself (if you go back and read it contextually you see that it's speaking of some type of curse). Now I get it, many reading this may be Bible skeptics or may not exactly hold the Bible in high regard. I got you. But as with any ancient text or commentary, you have to understand the cultural context and environment of the time it speaks of. Here the passage is giving a descriptive account of how those people believed and how they lived back then. As snapshot in time so to speak, far different from our time today. With that said, for those who do hold and adhere to the Bible and it’s teachings, it’s important to remember that not all passages are “Prescriptive” as some are “descriptive” of the times, as the one above. Number 5 should be views considering the bigger picture of the Bible (and numerous supporting verses/scriptures); where there are countless teachings on the value and sanctity of life. Taking a holistic and intentional approach to properly interpreting what the Bible is truly saying in a given passage (what was the message that the original author was trying to convey, and how would that original audience have understood/interpreted that message) can help us truly understand and navigate the trickier parts. So in essence, Numbers 5 is an interesting read indeed (especially as a historical descriptive narrative of the time). But it is not a direct say on today’s abortion debate. Context is king! Again, this is my 2 cents. I hope this adds to the discussion as a view to be considered in open and respectful dialogue.
Cenk, members of the NFIB Church will still deny it all because you didn't read it from the King James Version. But as a recovering Catholic, I say you still nailed every verse!
That is where me and a lot of other people have a problem when they start reading crap and I say what what are you reading out of and they say the King James version and I tell him shut up don't even talk to me stop reading from that because it is SOMEBODY'S VERSION OF WHAT THE BIBLE IS SAYING it is NOT WHAT THE TRUE BIBLE SAID!!!
@@trashcatlinol, what up? Are you hearing Michael Voris's voice in your head, too? Is he trying to make you feel guilty for not condemning your LGBT friends?
@@joyicechase2418, they claim that all versions that came after the KJV are "corrupt". Wrong! At some point, we had to update the vernacular because not everyone can wrap their heads around the Middle English of the Elizabethan and Jacobean Eras.That's all.
If Christians could agree on what the Bible actually states, They would all be Gnostic. Yet they can't even agree on how many books are even in the Bible, 66, 73, or 81! Let alone how to interpret them.
Cenk Uygur is definitely Wrong to state that God & the Bible are pro-abortion. Please watch on UA-cam: Refuting "The Young Turks" on the Bible and Abortion.
@@nikm5628 God is Omnipotent, Omnipresent and Omniscient. The Point isn't mine it's directly Scripture. Read the Bible in it's entirety and keep reading it until you grasp the Truth. Christ Is, Was, and Always Will Be, regrardless of how you feel or try to justify yourself. This is evident in Genesis 1:26 ". . . Let US make mankind in OUR image, in OUR likeness. . . ." If you ascribe to the Judeo-Christian Bible. It's clear, if you don't then go your own way. You'll find out when The Day comes. . .
No it does not. It is talking about if a woman cheats on her husband and he gets jealous they make a water to cause her to be Barren and not able to have children and make her curse among her people and causes her thighs to rot. But if she did not cheat and he's jealous then nothing shall happen to her when she drinks the water. This was put upon her if her husband was jealous and she cheated you will cause her to be Baron has nothing to do with no abortion. Please stop spreading lies and misunderstanding and speakin intruths to God's words
@@CPATuttle I don't disagree that the passage is essentially describing a punishment. It even calls it a curse. If you read the first comment on the video there is a women who explains that women everywhere understand that abortion is terrible. But to better understand your point of view, what really is your point? There are other reasons to have an abortion regardless of what the Bible say in this particular passage.
If it really supports abortion then you could use any translation but you can't, because it doesn't. The uncorrupt versions talk about if the wife has cheated on her husband, she will never be able to conceive but if she hasn't cheated, she will be able to conceive, implying that she ISN'T pregnant yet. There is no baby to abort.
Hell, he aborted the entire word claiming that everyone beside 8 people were wicked (and neither of these 8 people of were either babies or children) as he flooded the world committing one of the largest mass murders in the history of mankind. Make it make sense, SWAY..
@@reezoe164 you must be a right winger because y'all seem to NOT understand the word hypocrisy these day. Let me school you.. When someone tells you something that they don't practice themselves, that's call hypocrisy and it destroys your credibility. So if you're trying to prove to me the existence of someone and they're teachings and as you're trying to do this their teachings start to NOT match up with their actions then the hypocrisy in their actions starts to discredit that they exist at all or that everything else from here on out that they say is true. Why would a God who seeks to be ones spiritual and moral mentor who's trying to save you immortal soul abandon his teachings and start committing the same sins he's supposedly trying to keep you from committing in order to get to heaven? A true God would understand that this moral break in his character would cause disbelief of his existence from those humans who logically think for themselves because at this point you'd have to be brainwashed to dismiss all his sins and continue to follow his teachings that he doesn't follow himself just because he claims to be God. An all powerful God who supportedly created the entire universe and existence of man should NEVER under any circumstances have to commit the hideous acts that this supposed God of love, forgiveness, and compassion did in this Bible. Him and his followers broke a large amount of his 10 commandment throughout the Bible. He broke the very first one on many occasions which was thou shalt NOT kill. He personally committed more sins in the Bible than the devil he tries to discry all thoughout the Bible did. Go reread your Bible and find out the truth and that's this God was not full of supposed light and truth like this Bible claims he was. You can't be committing mass murder one minute and the next minute be claiming that killing people is a sin and then the next minute be justifying the stoning of others for shit like foraging on the sabbath day like he did with Mosses right after he gave him the 10 commandments, with the first rule being thou shalt NOT kill. Now miss me with your nonsense because the Bible is just as full of hypocrites as these churches are these days. I guess the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, huh?
@@youngking8666 bruh. I am NOT reading all that. No disrespect to you, my brother, but.....GOD CAN DO WHAT HE WANTS. HE IS THE CREATOR. The f? He literally created the laws and rules of morality. He is not bound by any of them. Get your mind right. And...rightwinger? Lmbao. No. Truth&God winger, yes.
@@reezoe164 OK, why leave the world in such disarray. All that killing he did and support all throughout the Bible accomplished what? All the good he could have done that could have positively changed the trajectory of the world he didn't.
@@youngking8666 you clearly dont understand. First of all YOUR MIND...is not GODS MIND. Nor is your power/strength the same as His either. God didnt leave the world any way. The world is the way it is bc thats the way it is. IF.....you follow God...and love Him the way He loves you, you wont have to worry. This world is not home to anyone that follows God. This world is full of sin...and pain. Get sin out your life and it will improve greatly. It wont be perfect, bc we ALL need to suffer. But....your life will improve greatly. Stop murdering. Stop lying. Stop fornicating. The bible literally gives you the instructions to follow! It dont get much easier than that.
Except this means the woman is unfaithful, it doesn't necessarily mean she became pregnant. It implies the wife cheating and is therefore cursed by the priest to not be able to become pregnant. Laslty, miscarriage is different than abortion. Women can miscarry and not want it, but abortion is a choice.
this is the 2011 niv verision. the orginal verison didn't even have the word miscarriage, nor did it imply the girl was pregnant. it never said the poison would cause a miscarriage. he clearly didn't do his research.
Context is important. Without it, one cannot understand the basic written Word or words in general, much less concepts. God is hence merciful as shown in the text read by Cenk (even if he was a bit snarkey during side commentary). ☺️You'll see this mercy (it being obvious if one cares about context) - if not, one will remain blind even to what's clear and obvious...especifically, the text itself. If the aim is not understanding, one cannot be humbled nor much less meek...thus making inheriting the Kingdom quit more difficult. God bless ma peeps! 🙏 ❤️
Your Christianese is cute and folksy, and I'm sure you're a nice person, but you're wrong. "Out of context" is probably THE most common excuse Christian apologists make when they got bupkis. (You’re not the only one who can do “folksy”!) The context is that “GAWD will impart his mighty wrath because your husband OWNS you!” Whatever you think about this, it’s not a modern “moral guide”, it’s an ancient one, when women were like cattle. I get that lots of Christians have trouble being told what your own Holy Book actually says/means by non-believers (or former ones), but you DO realize that this “pro-life” stuff has a fairly well-known origin, politically speaking in America, right? Just as Christians tend not to know what’s in their Bible, they also tend not to know much about RECENT RW history for some reason. Fascinating, isn’t it, Christian camp counselor Steve?
You do realize that this ritual will not work, don't you. A combination of holy water and dust from the temple floor will NOT produce a potion which will figure out if the woman has been unfaithful and punish her if she does. The purpose of the ritual is to set the jealous husband's mind at ease, or may be scare the woman into confessing. But magic potion, NO! The operative words are that the priest will tell her.
False: After she reacts they say "shall enter" twice & the male will show all the same signs. Their face pales, eyes do something, body becomes full of veins.
Cenk Uygur is definitely Wrong to state that God is pro-abortion. Cenk is misinforming people in order to make them agree with his pro-abortion position. Please watch on UA-cam: Refuting "The Young Turks" on the Bible and Abortion.
The night is black Without a moon The air is thick and still The vigilantes gather on The lonely torchlit hill Features distorted in the flickering light Faces are twisted and grotesque Silent and stern in the sweltering night Mob moves like demons possesed Quiet in conscience, calm in their right Confident their ways are best Ooh, ahh The righteous rise With burning eyes Of hatred and ill-will Madmen fed on fear and lies To beat and burn and kill They say there are strangers who threaten us Our immigrants and infidels They say there is strangeness, too dangerous In our theatres and bookstore shelves Those who know what's best for us Must rise and save us from ourselves Quick to judge Quick to anger Slow to understand Ignorance and prejudice And fear, walk hand in hand
Cenk Uygur is definitely Wrong to state that God & the Bible are pro-abortion. Cenk is misinforming his viewers. Please watch on UA-cam: Refuting "The Young Turks" on the Bible and Abortion.
Lol. Who comes to Cenk for a Bible study! Vast majority don't translate that to miscarriage, it's to make barren. & in verse 28 it even says she can "...then...conceive seed" which is when life starts.
You better be glad most Christians ignore certain parts the Bible, if anyone followed all the rules set forth in the Old Testament and even the new one they would spend the rest of their lives in jail in most civilized countries and get executed in the rest.
@@angryarmadillogaming7863 PFFFT Ahhahahahaa. Explaining excerpts from a book of fiction is supposed to be make a fool out of me?! BAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!
Cenk Uygur is definitely Wrong to state that God & the Bible are pro-abortion. Please watch on UA-cam: Refuting "The Young Turks" on the Bible and Abortion.
Trying to rationally discuss the meanings behind a work of fiction with those who hold it to be the One Truth is like talking to a wall, while simultaneously beating your head against it.
Oh it’s far from fiction, it’s all history hidden in code. All ancient biblical texts from the Bible, Quran, Torah, Etc… All correlate with one another in their stories, just with different reasons/explanations. I believe the Bible is closer to the actual historical truth. As more and more scientific discoveries are made, the more some mythical stories in the Bible actually make sense.
@@KennyRodgers930 You should check out this on author... Hubbard... Yeah, L. Ron Hubbard... I think you'd love his work... Or Smith.. Joseph Smith, I hear he was pretty clever too.
Cenk Uygur is definitely Wrong to state that God & the Bible are pro-abortion. Cenk is misinforming his viewers in order to make them agree with his pro-abortion position. Please watch the UA-cam video: Refuting "The Young Turks" on the Bible and Abortion.
Exodus 21:22-23 “And when they strive together men and they injure woman pregnant so that they go out children of her but not he is mortal injury to fine he shall be fined. As he shall place on him husband of the woman and he shall give on judgements. But if harm he is then you shall give life in place of life” (The Hebrew-English Interlinear ESV Old Testament; Literal reading) This passage is about a violent argument between men, where there is a pregnant woman present near them. During this struggle, the woman is somehow “injured” (nâgaph, which can also include fatal injuries), which caused the “children (masculine plural, boys), to “come out” (yâtsâ’) of the woman. It is clear from the Hebrew, that the “mortal injury” is of the children, and not the woman, as we have the masculine, singular, “’âsôn” used, as the ESV rightly reads, “he is”. “’âsôn” is used in the Old Testament for serious, and even fatal injuries. The Hebrew “wə·yā·ṣə·’ū yə·lā·ḏe·hā”, literally, “children come out”, is translated as “to miscarry”, or, “born prematurely”, or “fruit depart”, or “come out”, etc, in our English Versions. The masculine plural, shows that there is more than one boy in the womans womb. In verse 23, “’âsôn” is used to show that either, one, or both of the boys died from the result of the injuries sustained by the woman, during this violent argument between the two men. It is clear, “then you shall give life in place of life”, which is a requirement of death, and not injury. It is clear from verse 23, that if the child, or children, died, which can only mean, “to miscarry”, and not as some English translations read, “she gives birth prematurely”, as in the NASB, as this does not mean that the child or children, did not live. “she has a miscarriage”, is used in these Versions: NAB; NASB 1977; Douay-Rheims Bible; NRSV; Lasma Syriac Bible; The Contemporary Torah, JPS, 2006, etc Abortion in the Bible is MURDER
No, Sir! You have inappropriately misinterpreted the context of this passage. You see, you have a presupposition that Moses is writing about "abortion". This is called "Eisegesis" Which means - to insert ones own ideas rather than the intended meaning. Moses is not talking about the topic of abortion here. Cenk is reading from the NIV and also he is skipping verses which is improper hermeneutics. Although improper lets continue. He asserts that "the priest is causing a misscarriage" but fails to recognize the orginal meaning of the word "miscarry" in verse 21. The word "Womb" in vs 21 is the Hebrew word ירכ (yerekh) which means thigh, loin, side, or base and the word "miscarry" in Hebrew is נפלת(nofelet) which means to fall away.. The ESV and LSB translation renders it better ("your thigh fall away and your body swells"). The usage of the word "miscarry" is probably to aid the 21 century reader to understand that a prevention or a hault if you will (in reference to only a woman) will take place because of her sin. So... it is an inappropriate interpretation when Cenk says "The priest caused her to have a misscarriage" when the passage asserts no such thing. The NIV is a reliable translation but misses the mark here with the word usage. The entire context is about the disciplinary actions when there is lying after commiting infidelity in the marriage which both are in direct disobedience against the LORD. Also, there is no where in the text that implies that conception had taken place after the adultery had taken place. These are warning passages to infidelity in a marriage and the LORD is most certainly not affirming the killing of children in the womb in order to present "abortion" as truth. Cenk is not a Christian according to the Scriptures and he needs to repent according to the Scriptures. He says so himself. I encourage anyone to the read the passage in context and allow the orginal writer to speak. You wouldn't want someone misinterpreting your book(Especially someone who radically disagrees with you from the start) with their biases in mind would you? I pray this would help and if anything sticks I pray it is this "the pursuit of the authors intended meaning should be paramount". God bless.
Many Christians mistranslate and attach meaning to the bible's writing that may or may not be the writer's message all the time. Usually literal because it's the most obvious for even the most simple minded. It doesn't matter to me if Cenk is misinterpreting it for that reason. I also trust the Christian religion the least of all religions along with it's clergy & followers for many reasons that are justified. Many Christians read only what is directed in church at the time rather than reading it themselves in their spare time so if a pastor wants to, they can avoid the text that seemingly contradicts one of the religion's beliefs.
Cenk Uygur is definitely Wrong to state that God & the Bible are pro-abortion. Please watch on UA-cam: Refuting "The Young Turks" on the Bible and Abortion. God bless!
Cenk Uygur is definitely Wrong to state that God & the Bible are pro-abortion. Please watch on UA-cam: Refuting "The Young Turks" on the Bible and Abortion.
This is talking about a Woman cheating on her husband, this isn’t about a woman going out of her way to abort a child due to sexual impurity. You’re in a covenant with your husband, and should be loyal and faithful throughout that marriage. Exodus 20:13 “You shall not murder.” Leviticus 24:17 “Whoever takes a human life shall surely be put to death” Psalm 139:13-16 “For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother's womb. I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works; my soul knows it very well. My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately woven in the depths of the earth. Your eyes saw my unformed substance; in your book were written, every one of them, the days that were formed for me, when as yet there was none of them” Romans 1:28-32 “And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. Though they know God's decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.” Abortion and Miscarriage are two different things.
Deuteronomy 30:19 I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Therefore choose life, that you and your offspring may live, Ecclesiastes 11:5 As you do not know the way the spirit comes to the bones in the womb of a woman with child, so you do not know the work of God who makes everything
James 2:11 For he who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. Exodus 23:7 Keep far from a false charge, and do not kill the innocent and righteous, for I will not acquit the wicked.
Cenk Uygur is definitely Wrong to state that God is pro-abortion. Cenk is trying to misinform people in order to make them agree with his pro-abortion position. Please watch on UA-cam: Refuting "The Young Turks" on the Bible and Abortion.
But yet in the Gospels, upon hearing the sound of Mary's voice, the baby in Elizabeth's womb leapt for joy. In Chapter 1 of Jeremiah, God tells Abraham, Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you. Furthermore, there's a big difference between a miscarriage, which is a tragedy, and an abortion, which is an intentional act of murder.
And to add to that, God gives us free will! The will to make your own decisions, your choice! And if God allows us to live freely, who is the Government to stop others from doing what they will🤷🤦 They are trying overthrow everything that God has already put in place! It's our decision on how we live our life, what decisions we make, because he gave us free will!
Are you OK with killing a newborn? What about the creature 1 minute before giving birth? 2 hours? 1 month? 3 months? Where is the line? Isn't the creature a totally different human from the mother, with a unique DNA, after the moment of conception? Are you OK with killing a human in its most vulnerable state? What about a baby that is not needed by a mother? Is it OK to abandon the kid if she does not want it?
I agree ☝️; why they don’t fight about the gun laws They are a bunch of hypocrite;who keep on killing those innocent babies and innocent people who mind their own business: why do they stock talk nonsense about Abortion;! Supposed to get rape they want you to keep the baby to? This my question to those who keeps fight, this is my Body I do whatever.I am nor or against abortion your body you do whatever you want God bless you.
@@kuba2ve I understand what you're saying, however, you have to understand that even in the Bible that flat-out says that the baby is nothing more than water for the first forty days in the bible, in the Quran it's 120 days the Catholic church is the one that says it's a viable human being at conception not the Bible but it's the church that is ran by old white men that believe women are nothing more than a vessel to give them pleasure and a child and if they don't give him pleasure or a child they're worthless!!! And when I say Bible I mean Bible... I am not talking about the King James version of it, which by the way is not a Bible!!!
If I am or not it's my decision! Who are you to judge? God is my judge, he has the final say. Everyone has sinned, even you. We're you okay with the decision you made to do what you wanted? Yes you did! That's no different from someone choosing to have an abortion! God forgives all, even you! Sweep around your own front door, before trying to sweep around someone else's.... Make sure you have your business right with God, he will be judging you for the things you've done, and you alone😜
When HE makes your womb miscarry... it says NOTHING ABOUT US ALLOWING OURSELVES TO MISCARRY or Abort. BE CAREFUL WHEN RECITING SCRIPTURE. Nowhere in there does it prove that he approves us to make those decisions for ourselves...
This isn't even a correct translation. The translations before the 70s understand this is talking about being made barren. Amen on still having the correct point. Even in places where God kills it's not like giving man permission to.
Cenk is Uygur is definitely Wrong to state that God is pro-abortion. Cenk is misinforming people in order to make them agree with his pro-abortion position. Please watch on UA-cam: Refuting "The Young Turks" on the Bible and Abortion.
First, it is in Numbers 5 not 11 and the word in Hebrew does not say miscarriage at all. It refers more to her becoming barren and not being able to have children if she is found guilty.
Cenk Uygur is definitely Wrong to state that God & the Bible are pro-abortion. Cenk is trying to misinform people. Please watch on UA-cam: Refuting "The Young Turks" on the Bible and Abortion.
Bible also says that killing a pregnant woman is a bigger crime than killing a non pregnant woman. Pretty sure in most countries its also the case. At least in US i think
Cenk Uygur is definitely Wrong to state that God & the Bible are pro-abortion. Please watch on UA-cam: Refuting "The Young Turks" on the Bible and Abortion.
Jesús healed a woman who had been bleeding (guess where from…) for 12 years. In the temple. On the sabbath. Publicly. In front of all the disapproving religious leaders. Jesus was always kind, compassionate to women. Jesus treated them as real people.
I just read this recently, but the Southern Baptist Convention was apparently officially pro-choice until 1976. I've also seen reference to statements made by Billy Graham that he stood with Planned Parenthood, inferring that he was in support of abortion rights. His son Franklin is a big-time right-winger and it's also been implied it's not a stretch that he would do his best to remove that kind of info.
@@chrisazure1624 Margaret Sanger, the founder, was strongly associated with abortion rights, but it was illegal until 1972. They became the largest provider of abortions in the US after that. Frank Schaeffer, who worked for his dad Francis in opposing abortion and knew Billy personally, said he was always pro-choice, like many or most evangelicals until the 80s. It wasn't that he wanted everyone to go out and get an abortion, he saw it as a complex issue that needed more than a black or white approach.
@@rocketreindeer She was associated with eugenics, racism and birth control. I think back then it was thought only for the health and sanity of the mother and not as birth control after the fact.
@@chrisazure1624 Yes eugenics is evil and wrong, and she coasted with paternalistic attitudes toward Black and other people, but it depends who you ask on how racist she was. MLK spoke positively of her. But none of that changes the fact Billy Graham, according to people who knew him, was pro-choice, as were evangelicals generally. The anti-abortion movement was seen as a Catholic thing until around the 80s. Again, it was not that they were excited and thrilled about abortions, they saw it as a complex, multilayered issue that families needed to decide.
@@rocketreindeer I don't think anyone foresaw the open carnage we have today. The early supporters thought of it as something in difficult cases and not the service for profit it is today. But Sanger spoke at Klan meetings. She was racist.
Funny, you think they actually read that book! They love to make it up as they go and say it's from the book they've never read as they hold the Bible just like Trump, upside down and backwards. 😆
@@WatchMyVideoCovidTruthNoBiolab I was going off what he said in the video which was clearly about women cheating and getting an abortion to get rid of the child as it could be the affair partners child.
He, being omniscient knew it would happen... How he'd do it. Could have had every creature fade into dust (ie Avenger's) but chose to have them struggle suffer and panic of drowning... What a Kind and Loving God. Technically, since he knew Eve would sin and how he would punish mankind, He is the Greatest Most Vicious Murdering Bastard that (n)ever existed. AND He knew it ALL before He even started.
@@Christopher33312 this is why our family calls it (god) "The spaghetti man in the sky) It's all such BS that rational humans just laugh at "religious scholars". They believe ancient texts written in another language, rewritten and transcribed, translated and then tell me that this is TRUTH, bwahaha!!!! 🤣
Again you’re only about the 700,000th person to say this, first he’s a creator of life so he has the right to take life, and if any unborn babies did die it’s a fault of the parents because I had a chance to repent of their sins orchid on the ark.
Then the priest shall put the woman under the oath of the curse, and he shall say to the woman-“the LORD make you a curse and an oath among your people, when the LORD makes your thigh rot and your belly swell; and may this water that causes the curse go into your stomach, and make your belly swell and your thigh rot.” Then the woman shall say, “Amen, so be it.” (Numbers 5:21-22 NKJV)
I see still misrepresenting (Numbers 5), first of all I just love how you’re like read your Bible, yeah why don’t you actually read the very next verse which says she will conceive children implying that she wasn’t pregnant, and again this is an absolutely terrible example even if the term being used what is in fact miscarriage which it’s not, because you’re quoting from the NIV I can tell because of the wording, the NIV is not a direct translation, and also most translations don’t use the term miscarriage, they say cause her thigh to rot or cause, or caused her to be infertile, and I’ve even seen some translations that Psyco has her fighter shrivel, as well. the Hebrew term for womb, (recheim) isn’t in (Numbers 5), at all anywhere in the Mazzarella text, which is the manuscript at the old testament in the book of numbers is based on, this only took me about 12 minutes to figure out, Plus reading the verse, in context unlike you, really professional journalist 100% facts guy Cenk Uygur, couldn’t bother to do12 minutes of research, I mean you made that first video like seven years ago for crying out loud, that’s amazing. It’s not explicit at all, it doesn’t suggest anything even close to what you’re saying, shut your face shut your mouth, you’re an embarrassment you have no idea what you’re talking about.
Yes, I agree with you that Cenk Uygur is definitely wrong to state that God is pro-abortion. I also agree with the explanations stated by Mr. Trent Horn in the UA-cam video: Refuting "The Young Turks" on the Bible and Abortion.
ADD to that exodus 21:22-25 ....... If men chide, and a man smiteth a woman with child, and soothly he maketh the child dead-born, but the woman liveth over that smiting, he shall be subject to the harm (he shall be subject to a fine), as much as the woman’s husband asketh (for), and as the judges deem (appropriate). 23 Soothly if the death of her followeth (And if her death followeth), he shall yield life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burning for burning, wound for wound, sore for sore
Cenk Uygur is definitely Wrong to state that God & the Bible are pro-abortion. Please watch on UA-cam: Refuting "The Young Turks" on the Bible and Abortion.
@@innovationhq8230 Ezekiel 37:5 Thus says the Lord God to these bones: Behold, I will cause breath to enter you, and you shall live. (This is just one of the many places it states this)
Please watch on UA-cam: Refuting "The Young Turks" on the Bible and Abortion. Cenk Uygur is definitely Wrong to state that God is pro-abortion. Cenk is misinforming people in order to make them agree with his pro-abortion position. (Note: In the video, there is also a rebuttal to your claim that "The Bible is also clear that life begins at first breath, NOT in the womb.")
You kill and eat animals all the time. This isn't much different, it's not a human life that you are killing here, it's fetus/embryo, i.e. living cells, just like your nails and hair
Lol. Who comes to Cenk for a Bible study! Vast majority don't translate that to miscarriage, it's to make barren. & in verse 28 it even says she can "...then...conceive seed" which is when life starts. Killing is wrong & so is Cenk.
Also most versions of the Bible dont say this. This particular version translation implies and that "womb swell" as an euphemism for miscarriage. Majority translations don't interrept like this but of course Cenk will fail to ignore the overwhelming majority that oppose his point.
Most versions of the Bible do say this. They use different words in translation, but even the most obscured and apologetic translations still make it very clear what is being said. If you want to quibble semantics of ancient euphemism, I've got a Behemoth to discuss with you, but don't try to deny the context of the Ordeal of the Bitter Water, you'll look very foolish.
@@PuffyCloud_aka_puffeclaude I'm sorry just checked NASB KJV among others all support my point. The actual phrase is "thigh to rot" which has been translated into miscarriage, the actual meaning is the punishment for the women is she can't ever conceive a child.
Does no one find it disturbing that political policies and judicial laws and practices are being not just informed bit dictated by the most "open to interpretation" book in existence? One that many people do not even believe in? I really struggle to understand how America will be able to survive as a positive force for good and represent liberty and freedom if it continues to intertwine religion and nation as one rather than separate entities. It goes to show that anything can happen, anywhere.
@@ericwichmann9536 separation of the state and religion does appear one of the few ways that such past events don't have the power or are at least limited in their reach and strength to repeat such events. The closer the two are combined, the more likely there is for suffering sadly as such things will always be used as justifications for harm even if they are not meant for that purpose
NIV which has been highly discredited. The word miscarriage isn't correct & wasn't in any copies before the 70s. In reality what this does is make the woman barren. There's more that goes with the curse, for her & the guy, but miscarriage instead of being made barren is the part they're messing up.
Cenk Uygur is definitely Wrong to state that God & the Bible are pro-abortion. Cenk is misinforming his viewers. Please watch the UA-cam video: Refuting "The Young Turks" on the Bible and Abortion.
Also a counter to "abortion is murder": The bible says if you strike a pregnant woman and she dies you are to be executed as a murderer, but if she survives and miscarries you only have to pay financial compensation to the father...
You should read that passage in Exodus again because it says that if the woman gives birth prematurely and no harm is done then he pays at the judge determines BUT if any harm (to the child) follows then he shall give life for life, acknowledging that the child in the womb is a life and ending that life is murder. If men fight, and hurt a woman with child, so that she gives birth prematurely, yet no harm follows, he shall surely be punished accordingly as the woman’s husband imposes on him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. 23“But if any harm follows, then you shall give life for life,
*The FED has lost it and the sad fact is, it's pretty obvious we are headed for hyperinflation. I think stores better have tight security because when people can't afford to feed their families, things might get ugly*
My question is why pro-choice people don’t use this more often. This is only the second time I’ve ever come across this from someone that’s pro-choice even . Should be a major tool in the pro choice tool kit.
Thank you for posting this. Those of us in America who support women's right to sovereignty over their own bodies (the vast majority of us) need to just go ahead and memorize this and the other Biblical passages that support abortion... i.e., the lines about how the punishment for striking a woman and causing a miscarriage is a simple monetary fine... because the Bible, and therefore God, regard fetuses as 'property' and NOT as 'human life'. There's also the bit about life beginning at first breath... but the passage and interpretation of those lines is less immediately clear, so perhaps less usable, since the 'audience' is overtly hostile and won't sit through a long textual analysis. Basically, we need to be able to say, "But the bible supports abortion" and "The bible regards beating another man's wife, and causing a miscarriage, to be a property crime, punishable by a fine, while it regards killing a human as murder, punishable by execution. We have to destroy their ability to say they oppose abortion for 'religious' reasons, so we can move the conversation to where it belongs, about personal sovereignty over one's own body, or 'security of person', as it is referred to in the 'Universal Declaration of Human Rights'. Exodus 21:22-25 - If you cause a miscarriage or abortion by committing assault you must be punished by paying a monetary fine. Genesis 9:6, AND Leviticus 24:17, AND Exodus 21:12 - If you kill a human, you should be punished by execution.
Vast majority don't translate that to miscarriage, it's to make barren. & in verse 28 it even says she can "...then...conceive seed" which is when life starts. By yours & the scientific standard the baby should equally have rights to their body.
@@vashmatrix5769 Hmm. No. Even if you weren't wildly mistaken about 'when' a fetus becomes a 'human' (go ahead and remind us of when, during the pregnancy, you think that is, and why...) but no 'human' has the right to 'another humans' body. Even if anyone agreed with you that cell-masses and zygotes were actually 'people' (which, again, the VAST MAJORITY does NOT), then ONE 'person' does not have the right to use ANOTHER person's body as a 'life-support system'. No matter which way you want it to be, no one has the right to anyone else's body.
@@yishnir look up oxford. All you did was list stages of human or animal development. If you're talking about a human mother, they're only carrying a human baby. 2nd, yes people do have rights to another's body, people conjoined for example, while ironically you're trying to say the mother has right over the babies body. Majority recognize conception is when life starts, also majority doesn't make morality, but we do see the same party still wanting to treat people as property & deny their human rights.
@@vashmatrix5769 Plus, we're only saying that other people don't have the right to *kill* another person. The "no right to anyone else's body" argument is a strawman argument.
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There's also a story in Exodus that says if a woman gets in a fight with her neighbor and she miscarries, the neighbor pays a fine to the HUSBAND bc the fetus is HIS property. If she dies, then it's a life for a life (plus a fine to the husband, she's still property) 'The Bible is a book about men, for men, by men.' F.S.
Exodus 21:22 “If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.” Galatians 3:13 “Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:” “Know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? “For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's” (1 Cor. 6:19-20) So not my body 🤔
@@lightmatrix6867 telling someone to find another translation because you don't like what another translation doesn't say much about the reliability of your holy book. The Bible is not a guide to get your morals from no matter the translation. Deuteronomy 22:28-29 “If a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are found, then the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has violated her. He may not divorce her all his days."
@@osonhouston God said not to change his Word & those did. How's the reliability of my Holy book matter when you're talking about a book I don't read that was made in the 70s? Fyi- punishment for taking a woman by force is death. You're talking about a consensual relationship. Haven't you heard of a "shotgun wedding"?
@@lightmatrix6867 you're delusional read your Bible without bias. Depending on the circumstance yes death is the penalty but so is paying the father and marriage to his daughter.
@@osonhouston Do the research. 90 some percent of Bible's recognize it being made barren. You can't find a translation saying miscarriage before that. For the other crime is not a circumstances issue, they're flat put to death.
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So I'm not the most religious person... But I'm not sure the bible says anything about abortion... I know one thing.... IT SAYS THOU SHALT NOT KILL! The fifth commandment forbids direct and intentional killing as gravely sinful.
The Bible verses were referring to a miscarriage, not a still born, and not an abortion. Therefore, this was a wizardly 0:25 magical play using the elusive play on one word; the word did not even sound the same and meant something differently.
I have another way of looking at it. Take Jeremiah 1 : 5. This is about predestination. That, together with the fact God is the only one that makes the final Judgement (Numbers), Man should not interfere in the choice of a woman. She will have to face justice from somebody higher than Man.
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Actually the verse in Numbers in most translations does not refer to miscarriage. Only the New International Version does. You will not find a single translation that references it because most scholars agree that it actually refers to barrenness and has therefor nothing to do with an induced miscarriage but rather infertility.
If it has to do with barrenness then why would the priest mix a potion and give it to the woman who was committing infidelity?
@@Beverley30333 Because if she is guilty it makes her infertile. It would literally not make any sense for this form of testimony to be applied because not all adulterous women become pregnant. It makes a lot more sense that as punishment she would not be able to bear children anymore.
Well he’s using the NIV, that the NIV the ERV version which is basically a kids Version and it’s not a direct translation, and also the New living translation, which is also not a direct translation and has been heavily criticized.
@@Beverley30333 it was to test if she had been faithful to her husband, and the very next verse says she will conceive children implying that she wasn’t pregnant.
Bingo! Exactly right.
“I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires.”
~Susan B Anthony
Brilliant
@@metalpalace Yeah but it's not what God wants them to do, it's what he has said correct?
Yeah, because Susan B Anthony was a philosophical giant.
@@teru797 If god doesn't exist, what does "he" want then?
@@Scaramousche1955 Your Creationist crap is meaningless.
Look up genetic fallacy.
Then come back and try an actual argument or just STFU.
She was actually anti-abortion too. So what?
My opinion is most Christians have never read the Bible, nor could comprehend it. That's what makes them great sheep
Don’t recall anyone asking for your lame opinion 😊
So Cenk taking a verse completely out of context, and using bad hermeneutics and the incorrect translation to show that the Bible supports abortion, is why you think that very interesting. And again it doesn’t matter if they haven’t read the Bible, what’s better somebody who has never read something or somebody who has read something yet can’t comprehend it and takes it out of context, i’ll let you be the judge of that. And the funny thing is most Internet atheists that complain about Christians being dogmatic or biased are just as biased and dogmatic as them if not significantly more.
I'd rather be a sheep than a slave.
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My opinion is most atheists have only read the most corrupt versions of the bible
For those interested: The "bitter water" is made from the leaves of the Rue plant.
This bitter tea or bitter water has chemical properties that provoke or induce a miscarriage/abortion.
Wondered what that gibberish was that Genk speaks.
@@lsingstock1646 Without any context or citing anything specific, I have no idea what YOU´RE trying to convey??
@@lsingstock1646 The bible is gibberish?
@@xeyex I am just wondering if its because of his stance on abortion or he is one of those Cenk haters
No, that’s coming from the NIV version, which has been critique to death by scholars it’s not an accurate translation of this verse, because it uses the Hebrew term, for womb and the Hebrew term for a miscarriage, which can be found nowhere in the original Hebrew for Numbers 5.
This is what occurs when someone who does not understand the bible, tries.
1:32 Numbers 5:22 does NOT say miscarry, you changed it. It says "thigh will rot".
Your comment is what occurs when someone who doesn't accept parts of the bible and choose to ignore it.
@@UltraAnimaniac101 Your comment occurs when a so called Christian tries to play 'gotcha'
Some versions translate “womb will miscarry” as “she will drop/lose her limb”, but that is because fetuses are considered an appendage of a woman and not a human being.
How you get miscarry from thigh to rot?
God supposedly killed everyone in sodom and gomora, and also nearly everyone on the planet with the great flood.
Does this mean God condones murder? Well he also said thou shall not kill, so according to the Bible we aren’t supposed to kill each other.
@Dana Woodhull Misogynist that wants to control women's bodies, whatever you say
@Dana Woodhull apparently you didn't know your Bible. Cenk is absolutely correct. And your comment is ridiculous
@Dana Woodhull "babykiller" - God disagrees with you...take it up with him.
The lord talks about false prophets and you sir are proving yourself to be one.
This is hard for you, I know. I grew up Christian.
Take your time with it. "God is Love", right? So accept this lesson with love, not hate or the proto-typical "demonization" Christians do to non-believers.
Is it worth it, shutting down your mind to facilitate Christo-Fascism in America?
Serious question...
@@hadara69 lol. Thanks. I forgot how unhinged your cult can be.
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Really, he is preaching out of the Bible and you're failing to believe him? I'm a Presbyterian Christian, and at the same time I'm Pro Choice and a Progressive.
It's right in your own bible and yet you won't believe your own bible? I have known this for many years. It's true. The claim that life begins at conception is a OPINION given by the Catholic church. Not the bible.
Look up Leviticus 27:6. God begins to value human life at one month of age. No value for the unborn. The Bible clearly says God commands that we are to care for the poor, the old, the immigrant, legal and illegal. The Bible absolutely does not say anything about banning abortion.
Does have a lot to say about infanticide though. Pretty sure there's a bunch of it after one month too.
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This... is about taxes...
Read Jeremiah 1:5.
that my dear, contradicts Leviticus 27:6
The Bible is inconsistent. Written by many people for a long time but as time goes by, scriptures go against each other
@@kavanroy
I've been quoting and referencing Numbers like this for decades in relation to this topic, thank you Cenk, and thank you all who spread this holy message of the lord.
On a side note, ever notice Atheists know the Bible better than most? Makes you think that actually reading your holy books might make you think.
The vast majority of self-identified Christians have not read the Bible.
Wish more people actually read whatever book they codon to follow. You probably have as much luck changing minds with this scripture as I do: blank stares then word soup to justify not changing.
This is scripture endorsing a forced abortion where the man gets the only say, and only when your wife is impregnated by another man. This isn't what you're advocating dummy. If it is, then based.
The Bible is the first twitter of it's day. Nothing holy about it. Wise up and for God's sake....EVOLVE!!! GOD IS WAITING. GOD EVOLVES. WHY CAN'T YOU?
@@novitriolhere it works, it's just a delayed effect. Pointing out hypocrisy is always a slow, tedious, and thankless route to changing minds, but sometimes it's the only thing that works. Take those blank stares as a small win and don't give up.
And this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to rot: And the woman shall say, Amen, amen.
Numbers:5:22
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Cenk, you just cited the book and the verses. You need to include the chapter (5). Numbers, chapter 5, verses 11-31
He's not even reading a correct translation & in verse 28 it's implying she's not pregnant because if she passes then she can, "conceive seed".
@@lightmatrix6867 exactly and he’s also reading the NIV version which is highly contested by scholars.
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Just as pertinent, the same Bible states clearly several times that life exists "from the first breath to the last". Outside those very clear boundaries a person is *not* alive _according to the Bible._
Where in the Bible?
@@johnnaylor8816 Idk either bc I'm atheist, but if you read your unHoly Bible, maybe you'll find it.
That's because it not there.
For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.
Luke:1:44
@@johnnaylor8816 oh, it's on!
Luke 19:40 : "I tell you," he said, "if they remain silent these (lifeless) stones will cry out.
Numbers 22:28 : Then YHWH (whose name is ineffable) opened the *donkey's* mouth and it said to Balaam...
Even rocks and donkeys are animated at God's whim.
Also, you conveniently forgot to mention that Elizabeth's baby was in the 3rd trimester( over 6 months old) and can breathe on its own if taken out of her. Abortion at that stage is illegal under Roe v Wade.
@@johnnaylor8816 job 33:4 Psalm 121:8 Genesis 2:7
Thanks for posting. Moral of the story the way I interpreted this is: abortion is actually a punishment. When a woman gets an abortion she’s hurting herself. We as women know it’s not an easy situation.
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I don’t take his word at face value actually look this verse up for yourself and look up the original Hebrew that’s being used in the text, he’s a bad faith clown and a disingenuous liar that has zero credibility.
More importantly it's killing. Who comes to Cenk for a Bible study! Vast majority don't translate that to miscarriage, it's to make barren. & in verse 28 it even says she can "...then...conceive seed" which is when life starts.
@@pleaseenteraname1103 Cenk Uygur is definitely wrong to state that God is pro-abortion. You can watch on UA-cam: Refuting "The Young Turks" on the Bible and Abortion
Cenk Uygur Is definitely Wrong. Please watch on UA-cam: Refuting "The Young Turks" on the Bible and Abortion.
"If a fetus is a person at 6 weeks pregnant, is that when the child support starts? Is that also when you can't deport the mother because she's carrying a US citizen? Can I insure a 6-week fetus and collect if I miscarry? Just figuring if we're going there, we should go all-in" - Carliss Chatman, Law Professor, Washington and Lee University (2019)
Or those that say it starts at conception so does child support start a conception a undocumented immigrant can’t get deported cause “she’s caring a US conceived baby” etc. sadly the collect if I miscarry something women are legit being thrown in jail for a miscarriage or stillbirth like a miscarriage or stillbirth isn’t traumatic enough now she gotta worry about jail time.
The child support is the feeding of the wife from the man
The literal biology of the human body and laws can’t really do anything since there in the same place its just a dumb argument laws don’t consider it a person because it get more right when it it’s breathing dosent give the mother reason to commit murder
Basically your “arguments” are exuses
Yes to all of that glad we are all becoming more anti-abortion
@@markcollins2704 bro facts 💪💪💪💪💪
@@markcollins2704 You either:
A) Didn’t get it because you CHOOSE not to.
B) Didn’t actually READ it (illiterate? ADHD?)
C) Are too stupid to realize this is sarcasm and is actually insulting to you anti-abortion (“pro-life”? LMFAO!!) fundie nutjob idiots.
Hope that helps you maneuver our shared reality better.
I have been quoting numbers to a lot of people for many years. I even quoted it to my father, who happened to be a minister. He scowled at me yes, but he could not deny it. By the way, Adam and Eve who pro-choice as well. They were given the option eternal life or knowledge. They did not choose life.
They were made to choose life, it was predetermined. If God did not want them to eat the apple why did it exist in the center of the garden in the first place? Additionally, why was Satan in the garden? If you get a room put a bowl of candy in the middle of it and put a bunch of children in there and tell em not to eat it what are they going to do? Eat the darn candie. It's that simple. He wanted them to eat the apple it wouldn't have been there otherwise. IMHO, I think he wanted to create perfectly loyal beings and when he found out they weren't loyal he abandoned us to ourselves. Or did he.
So you're quoting a bible verse which shows God punishing sin? The passage is clearly upholds the sanctity of an unborn child.
I can deny it. That passage does not in any way certify abortion. It is a supernatural judgement ONLY to be used in a trial of adultery. And it would be GOD doing the miscarriage…because regular floor dust doesn’t cause abortion on its own…and ONLY if the women who drinks the dust-water committed adultery. The dust doesn’t know if she cheated on her husband or not.
that is from 1973 niv version. never once before that verison does it say the women is pregnant
@@swagraptor5477 The very next verse says she will conceive children implying she was never pregnant to begin with, most translations don’t use the term miscarriage, they say cause her thigh to rot or to shrivel, and the Hebrew term (fécheme) which is the term used for womb in the Masoretic text, and also the NIV is not a direct translation, and also the word Hebrew word for miscarriage is not present here either.
Some propose that Numbers 5:11-31 refers to God causing an abortion. The 2011 edition of the NIV mistakenly states that the drink will cause miscarriage in Numbers 5:21-22, 27. However, this is not what the passage is talking about. Pregnancy is nowhere mentioned, or even hinted at, in the text. The only thing that even sounds like pregnancy is the guilty wife’s stomach becoming bloated, but even in that instance, it has nothing to do with pregnancy. Further, the passage does not say that drinking the concoction would cause an abortion/miscarriage. While drinking a poisonous mixture of ingredients could very well cause a miscarriage, that is not what this text is speaking of.
Oh that's nice if you'd only have this same energy and learned about embryology and fetal development you'd figure out a fetus is not a baby! The main difference is that yours is an interpretation vs mine based on facts! 🤡
@@davidsmnje lol dont be a clown
And the very next verse says she will conceive children implying that she wasn’t pregnant, and Hebrew term that’s used for miscarriage is nowhere in the original Hebrew for this verse ,neither is the Hebrew term for womb.
@@pleaseenteraname1103 oh buddy🤦♂️ I never mentioned anything about when life starts! Plus a life is not a life if it can't survive! So READ before you comment!
Also now that you're doing your 1st year biology reading, read something about fetal development and viability!
Here's an effing clue it's FETAL LUNG DEVELOPMENT! It's just 5 stages but just read up on them specially the Cannalicular stage! At least you'll learn something today!
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Reading the Bible is the best way to lose your religion.
Absolutely!
Myself, I was obsessed with the bible at a young age. Actually I was wanting to become a priest. I read the bible cover to cover twice. The more I read it the more I realised I can’t believe in all this anymore.
Unfortunately, christians in general, do not read the bible. They just listen to a crazy preacher running back and forth on the stage, flapping his arms around, yelling and speaking gobbledygook language.
Not understanding is the key, as it's always been.
@@trashcatlinol really? read a bit more:
Deuteronomy 22 -
28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels[c] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.
@@Domzdream why exactly.
@@pleaseenteraname1103 Why exactly what?
0:05 Only if you have an NIV, which is why it is the ONLY version Cenk ever quotes it from. BTW the NIV was only written in 1973, so every translation before it from the last 2000 years didn't say that a miscariage took place, so no you're dead wrong Cenk.
It still states the child dies if the women was unfaithful ok uneducated one.
@@user-xs2qq7kv9w No it doesn't. In fact in the very next verse it says if she's fine then she can "conceive seed".
@@vashmatrix5769 that because it fictional garbage, you’re a Christian it’s why you can’t accept what it actually saying.
@@user-xs2qq7kv9w lol. Reading it to know what your talking about would be a start. You're claiming it says something that's not there, because you hate God & His Word.
@@vashmatrix5769 nope I’m stating what’s obvious you just can’t admit it condones abortion. Because you need to pretend how great god is.
Also the NIV that he is reading out of has been rewritten over the years. The one I have on my shelf from 1978 in Numbers 5:21, 22 & 24 it doesn’t even use the word miscarriage. It says the abdomen swells and the thigh waste away. So as the others say she is not pregnant. Then he even read verse 28 at the end “she will be cleared of guilt and will be able to have children. Other current versions uses similar words as my 1978 NIV.
"No man ever believes that the Bible means what it says:
He is always convinced that it says what he means."
~George Bernard Shaw
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1:32 Numbers 5:22 does NOT say miscarry, you changed it. It says "thigh will rot".
i must be hallucinating my existence
@@madewhole-ev4uy WTF are you smoking, fundie? Are you suggesting that because YOU don’t understand how humanity came to be that therefore it must be an ‘illusion’?
Isn’t it possible that the Bible is just an ancient book of myths that only CHRISTIANS assign such existential importance to? If the Bible never mentioned germs or any other scientific facts its authors couldn't have known about (but GAWD did!), why revere it so much you doubt your own existence?
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
~Lucius Annaeus Seneca
he was incorrect about the wise. It's the "educated" (indoctrinated) who think it false. These are not wise.
@@k8aik8ai Cool. So then this question should be easy for you since YOU’RE the “educated” one:
How does one tell the difference between what is indoctrination and what is education?
SUPER easy, right?
Then go for it, fundie. Can’t wait…..
(Psssst….this is a trick question that ACTUAL indoctrinated folks will always fail, so answer ‘wisely’)
@@k8aik8ai Thought so...
EVERY fundie on the web is a chicken shit who can't defend your beliefs with even the most cursory arguments.
AND YET, you want us all to respect them and allow YOU to determine OUR law?
Good luck with that…
He is was talking about Roman gods.
@@charlesmuhmanson3928 Hahaha So what? What's the difference? Same superstitious nonsense. It's what makes the quote timeless...
There is also the time he sent an angel to take out the first born sons of Egyptians. Some of those had to be babies, and, by Conservative logic, it is possible to perform an abortion after a baby is born and claim Democrats support that.
How often did God go and hardened Pharao's heart so that he could perform another stunt?
See Job, God made a bet with Satan and took his most faithful believer, took away his wealth, killed his livestock, his servants, his family and covered him in sores. Nothing of that Job had deserved, it was just God showing off to Satan.
👏👏👏👏👏
He gave a Pharaoh a choice, either let Gods people go or be visited by the Angel of Death. Pharaoh made his choice and God kept his promise.
@@KennyRodgers930 Exodus 9:12; "But the LORD hardened Pharaoh’s heart and he would not listen to Moses and Aaron, just as the LORD had said to Moses."
Exodus 10:1: "Then the LORD said to Moses, “Go to Pharaoh, for I have hardened his heart and the hearts of his officials so that I may perform these signs of mine among them".
Exodus 10:20: "But the LORD hardened Pharaoh’s heart, and he would not let the Israelites go."
Exodus 10:27: "But the LORD hardened Pharaoh’s heart, and he was not willing to let them go."
Each time in the verses before Pharaoh told Moses they could go, then came above verses.
The LORD is EXPLICITLY mentioned each time.
When I see the whole story as that what it is meant and seen by most denominations in most countries, a parable to stress that the Israelites are God's chosen people and to vilify the Israelites' enemies, all is no problem.
But when I take the story how hardcore US fundamentalists take it, as LITERALLY correct, then I have to regard the words as they are.
Have a look into the Bible, maybe you find other interesting sections that are not quite as the preachers want to make them appear, drop them conveniently while pounding on the literal truth of others.
God is allowed to kill whoever he wants. He owns the universe. It’s only immoral when man kills another man. I don’t understand how you don’t realize that key difference.
John 1:12
But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,
LQBTQ RACISM - SINS ARE BEING COMMITTED BY THE ""CHILDREN OF GOD"" TO THE CHILDREN OF GOD.
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The Bible also says "Among stupid people, limit your time". I can see why evangelicals always leave that part out so as to save their business.
@@angryarmadillogaming7863 Yeah. It's sirach in the catholic version. Not sure why it's not in other versions
@@angryarmadillogaming7863 Hahaha you don't have to apologize at all. Not really religious at all anymore.
They cherry pick ..
@@Mario-lv5bv LOLOL You're lowkey right
@@angryarmadillogaming7863 I was thinking the same thing!!! Not in the bible!!!
Personally,
1) I'm a male from Central Texas who is pro-choice, but I feel that it's ultimately a women's right/decision to take birth control & that Roe V. Wade should remain in effect as it currently is.
2) When it comes to the 1st & 2nd trimester, I don't agree with the argument that the baby is truly alive even with a heartbeat since it also lacks a brain, its lungs, & an immune system, which are needed to keep it alive (& something like this happened to a family member whom I won't mention by name).
3) I was born & raised Christian (specifically Baptist), & in The Bible there is a story in the Book of Numbers where a man believes his wife committed adultery, so he asked God for help & he was told by God to give his wife an elixir that would've aborted the child if it wasn't his, so this story proves that The Bible isn't against abortions.
4) I believe that once a baby is born it should have affordable medical care/coverage for its entire life since I'm pro-life in that regard & not just pro-birth of the baby.
5) I don't believe male politicians should be able to create laws regulating what women can or can't do with their own bodies when that sets a precedent for female politicians to create laws regulating what men can do to theirs.
You sound like Californian.
I am in this country for 18 years and still can’t process the fact why the abortion is government affair. I know money is the center of all discussions at the end of the day but there are other many issues that money is spent on. Why abortion is such passionate deal to republicans especially? I have only one answer so far- control. They want to control women. Mechanism of control never succeeds, females will fight.
You actually believe that the “elixir” on its own…made of nothing but dust and water…is able to not just cause an abortion…but ALSO differentiate in the woman’s behavior so that it ONLY causes the miscarriage of the woman committed adultery?
No no no. That’s not how things work. This is a supernatural event. The only way this would work if it was by God’s hand. Only God would know that the woman had done the deed…and God himself would have to cause the abortion to happen.
The whole process existed as a sign to the people. Everyone would know that dust water would NOT cause a miscarriage by default. And so if the process was followed as ordered and the miscarriage happened…then it would be divine proof that the woman committed adultery.
This is a supernatural trial. It is not a green light for abortion.
This mistranslations from the 70s. The others recognize this as making her barren. Read a normal translation & you'll see in verse 28 it's before the seed has been conceived. I thought we should make laws about killing people.
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Why do a woman have the right to murder her unborn child when she don't even Have the right to kill herself she can't go in the doctor's office and tell the doctor to Aboard her life they will put in a stray jacket and send her to the funny farm but she can kill her unborn child and they will call it abortion when it's Really call murder She tells the man he have nothing to say about a woman's body Then she tells the government stay out of a woman what to do with her own body but yet you asked the government to tell the man to pay far the child that you don't wantna murder But yet this man have nothing to say when it comes to you killing his child but But when he wants the baby when you want to keep the child you makes the government that you told to stay out of your body to make him pay Money out of his pocket when he gets his check
"Not every ejaculation deserves a name"
George Carlin
Lol! I miss that guy. Rest in peace.
@@metalpalace he was funny,perhaps ahead of his time
Just every new life.
@@chrisazure1624 so what if another baby is not born! The sky wouldn't fall down!
@@jasonweinstock1282 Jawol, AH felt the same way.
Since when do Christians actually read the Bible? The best way to create an atheist is to read the Bible. There is also that inconvenient little section sanctioning slavery as ok, with specific instructions on how to handle your slaves.
Christians who are well studied in the bible know that the bible supports a biblical form of slavery very different then modern slavery and we know it's totally moral and way better then the modern prison system.
@@innovationhq8230 since when is owning another human being as property ok in any era? The Bible says its ok to beat your slave, so it couldn't have been that great.
Well…Jesus also said in Matthew 13 that he is going to command his angels to execute every non-Christian when he returns.
God is patient…but he is not going to hold back forever.
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Christians need to understand Christianity doesn’t come from the Bible. It comes from the church Jesus started
Old testament still counts.
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
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Context is everything, sir.
It certainly is.
And the CONTEXT proves the Bible is pro-abortion.
Christians can't seem to say anything except what you say when STUMPED.
You've been conned.
Wakey, wakey!
This time, the Libs OWN YOU!
Accurate translations would be a start. Lol.
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Beware of the man who uses God’s name to do his own bidding. Saying “God wants us to do this” or “God wants us to do that”.
You could wipe out an entire nation resting on his laurels.
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We did enough nation overthrowing under Obama via rebel proxy armies. Was Obama a Christian monarch? I didn’t know. I thought he was IDK: liberation theology and a little quasi-Muslim. GW did his international screw-ups. Both let radical Islam swoop through the areas due to the hole in leadership we left in Iraq or the puppet assisted in, such as the one we got in Egypt (thankfully overthrown by the people) the entertainer with outright NAZIs that moved into the country in question. Biden also opened Afghanistan open to radical Islam.
An excellent point I have made many times.
Still, women get treated pretty horribly in this ceremony.
They should
Hoes gonna be hoes
Women/girls were like CATTLE in ancient times.
This is why the RW hates progress.
@Ron30Mon Haha I didn't even read this until after responding to you. Really glad my "E)" says what it says now.
Seriously, you are sick.
Religon has made you SICK in the head, bro!
I hate being right all the time about you dangerous folks...
Same thing happens to the man. If she's cursed they say "shall enter" twice & the guy gets the same eyes, same swelling, same filling with veins etc.
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Nobody tells us this because we don't study the WORD OF GOD enough ourselves. We rely on others to tell us what to believe.
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Study it then, just don't use a corrupt version
I've used this quotation with Bible bashers- two have denied it outright, saying I misunderstand it and another refused to read it!
Probably because the actual translation has nothing to do with a miscarriage. Only that the woman loses the ability to have children. There is nothing in that section of verses that say she is pregnant.
It’s embarrassing to use this verse to promote the falsehood of Biblically favored abortion, because it’s not true.
ua-cam.com/video/Dwq3Z_z7iNw/v-deo.html
Well you're using something from only one corrupted translation that's not in the others.
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Religotards will just interpret how they want
Or more likely ignore it.
45 THOUSAND different sects of Christianity (and counting) is powerful evidence for your solid claim.
Cheers!
However, it's still worth showing them this "receipt".
They don’t have to they can use the correct translation, and many of them well not many but some of them have done their research and they know that the NIV is not accurate translation because, the Hebrew term for womb doesn’t appear anywhere in the original Hebrew for (Numbers 5), and again how does this prove the Bible proportion you know this how it’s being referred to as a curse,and again it’s not even what’s happening the verse has nothing to do with abortion.
@@hadara69 no there are no there’s around 20,000.
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If an embryo is a woman's body and choice, then why require men to pay child support?
God is NOT pro abortion but he IS pro choice! God gives us free will to choose what we do!
Sorry yes god is pro abortion it’s obvious that you never read the Bible. It’s amazing how uneducated y’all are.
Shall not kill... so you can choose to disobey I guess.
@@vashmatrix5769 god constantly order people to be killed. Numbers 31 that was after the so called thou shalt not kill. But nice try.
@@user-xs2qq7kv9w God didnt order people to do this, but nice try.
Cenk Uygur is Wrong to state that God is pro-abortion. God is never in favor of abortion. Your statement that "God gives us free will to choose what we do" does not mean that God is pro-choice, & that God is, therefore, okay with pro-choice people who choose to do abortions. Abortion, which is the deliberate killing of innocent & defenseless unborn children, is an evil act that God certainly does not accept as morally right. Please watch on UA-cam: Refuting "The Young Turks" on the Bible and Abortion.
You think these evangelicals actually care about the bible? Besides, they would just use the argument that this is in the Old Testament and is superseded by the New Testament.
Funny how all that anti gay stuff they always quote is all located there too, ain't it? ;)
Old vs New... Same God...omniscient, omnipresent omnipotent... No linear time for God, so that argument (which the "new bible Christians" love to use)... Fails the test.
@@Christopher33312 they are not concerned with whether it passes or fails your test, as long as they can use any argument to justify their own beliefs, that’s all they care about.
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The only problem with this is that the nuts in some states want to punish women who miscarry.
The night is black
Without a moon
The air is thick and still
The vigilantes gather on
The lonely torchlit hill
Features distorted in the flickering light
Faces are twisted and grotesque
Silent and stern in the sweltering night
Mob moves like demons possesed
Quiet in conscience, calm in their right
Confident their ways are best
Ooh, ahh
The righteous rise
With burning eyes
Of hatred and ill-will
Madmen fed on fear and lies
To beat and burn and kill
They say there are strangers who threaten us
Our immigrants and infidels
They say there is strangeness, too dangerous
In our theatres and bookstore shelves
Those who know what's best for us
Must rise and save us from ourselves
Quick to judge
Quick to anger
Slow to understand
Ignorance and prejudice
And fear, walk hand in hand
According to who?
@@samspamoli196 look up Alabama v. Jones
@@hollyyork1164 you are right, and that is crazy.
When you have people trying to murder it's not surprising the waters get muddy... & bloody.
Jumping in with my 2 cents - The passage in question, (Numbers 5) is contextually speaking about an old ceremonial ritual that the Israelites used when they suspected that someone may be cheating in a marriage. It’s critical to understand that what is described as taking place in this passage is very different from what we see with regards to our modern day abortion debate. The ceremony/ritual was their way of getting to the bottom of figuring out the truth in a “tricky” marriage situation. It wasn’t specifically about ending a pregnancy, and it should be noted that that’s not even mentioned in the text itself (if you go back and read it contextually you see that it's speaking of some type of curse).
Now I get it, many reading this may be Bible skeptics or may not exactly hold the Bible in high regard. I got you. But as with any ancient text or commentary, you have to understand the cultural context and environment of the time it speaks of. Here the passage is giving a descriptive account of how those people believed and how they lived back then. As snapshot in time so to speak, far different from our time today.
With that said, for those who do hold and adhere to the Bible and it’s teachings, it’s important to remember that not all passages are “Prescriptive” as some are “descriptive” of the times, as the one above. Number 5 should be views considering the bigger picture of the Bible (and numerous supporting verses/scriptures); where there are countless teachings on the value and sanctity of life. Taking a holistic and intentional approach to properly interpreting what the Bible is truly saying in a given passage (what was the message that the original author was trying to convey, and how would that original audience have understood/interpreted that message) can help us truly understand and navigate the trickier parts.
So in essence, Numbers 5 is an interesting read indeed (especially as a historical descriptive narrative of the time). But it is not a direct say on today’s abortion debate. Context is king!
Again, this is my 2 cents. I hope this adds to the discussion as a view to be considered in open and respectful dialogue.
Which version of the bible phrases it like this?
NIV A.k.a. the version that has been critiqued to death by scholars.
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Cenk, members of the NFIB Church will still deny it all because you didn't read it from the King James Version. But as a recovering Catholic, I say you still nailed every verse!
That is where me and a lot of other people have a problem when they start reading crap and I say what what are you reading out of and they say the King James version and I tell him shut up don't even talk to me stop reading from that because it is SOMEBODY'S VERSION OF WHAT THE BIBLE IS SAYING it is NOT WHAT THE TRUE BIBLE SAID!!!
@@trashcatlinol, what up? Are you hearing Michael Voris's voice in your head, too? Is he trying to make you feel guilty for not condemning your LGBT friends?
@@joyicechase2418, they claim that all versions that came after the KJV are "corrupt". Wrong! At some point, we had to update the vernacular because not everyone can wrap their heads around the Middle English of the Elizabethan and Jacobean Eras.That's all.
If Christians could agree on what the Bible actually states, They would all be Gnostic. Yet they can't even agree on how many books are even in the Bible, 66, 73, or 81! Let alone how to interpret them.
@@trashcatlinol, he's the host of "The Vortex" on Church Militant TV. You may have seen him recently interviewing an extremist candidate.
Cenk, this is going to hurt a lot of people who have tender feelings 🤭
Good.
Let it hurt
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@@rule2fly , there are verses in the Bible for and against abortion
@@mantamocha5739 I am not a Bible scholar. Please state to me the Bible passages that are pro-abortion. Thanks in advance.
Cenk reading bible, you need to quote the verses before the number, if you quote number only how do we find the verse where you got the quote from.
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How come nobody ever told me that?
Simple, no one even reads that full son of a gun long ass book.
Numbers 5 : 11-21 god telling how to do an abortion in the bible.
The Old Testament is culminated in Christ. The Law of The Spirit supercedes The Law of The Letter
@@Crangaso omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient... That makes the new testament and Jesus entirely invalid and destroys your point
@@nikm5628 God is Omnipotent, Omnipresent and Omniscient. The Point isn't mine it's directly Scripture. Read the Bible in it's entirety and keep reading it until you grasp the Truth.
Christ Is, Was, and Always Will Be, regrardless of how you feel or try to justify yourself. This is evident in Genesis 1:26 ". . . Let US make mankind in OUR image, in OUR likeness. . . ."
If you ascribe to the Judeo-Christian Bible. It's clear, if you don't then go your own way. You'll find out when The Day comes. . .
@@ctrain9257 you god is not one to talk he killed babies in the old testament many many times
No it does not. It is talking about if a woman cheats on her husband and he gets jealous they make a water to cause her to be Barren and not able to have children and make her curse among her people and causes her thighs to rot. But if she did not cheat and he's jealous then nothing shall happen to her when she drinks the water. This was put upon her if her husband was jealous and she cheated you will cause her to be Baron has nothing to do with no abortion. Please stop spreading lies and misunderstanding and speakin intruths to God's words
No it’s not taking about abortion. It’s talking about infertility as punishment. It’s a story.
Doesn't the passage clearly state that the women can again have children at a later time?
@@ModernMozart1104 it’s a story of what happened at that time. It’s not God commanding us to do anything right now. Is that clear?
@@CPATuttle You changed the subject.
@@ModernMozart1104 it’s a story of God giving punishment to someone. It’s not God telling us to follow him on anything let alone abortions
@@CPATuttle I don't disagree that the passage is essentially describing a punishment. It even calls it a curse. If you read the first comment on the video there is a women who explains that women everywhere understand that abortion is terrible. But to better understand your point of view, what really is your point?
There are other reasons to have an abortion regardless of what the Bible say in this particular passage.
Hey! Very interesting argument. Can you provide the Bible translation used for this passage?
If it really supports abortion then you could use any translation but you can't, because it doesn't. The uncorrupt versions talk about if the wife has cheated on her husband, she will never be able to conceive but if she hasn't cheated, she will be able to conceive, implying that she ISN'T pregnant yet. There is no baby to abort.
Could you give more exact reference 11-31 where is that what book what chapter?
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Hell, he aborted the entire word claiming that everyone beside 8 people were wicked (and neither of these 8 people of were either babies or children) as he flooded the world committing one of the largest mass murders in the history of mankind. Make it make sense, SWAY..
And He can. You not anyone else on earth is God. Get yo mind right.
@@reezoe164 you must be a right winger because y'all seem to NOT understand the word hypocrisy these day. Let me school you.. When someone tells you something that they don't practice themselves, that's call hypocrisy and it destroys your credibility. So if you're trying to prove to me the existence of someone and they're teachings and as you're trying to do this their teachings start to NOT match up with their actions then the hypocrisy in their actions starts to discredit that they exist at all or that everything else from here on out that they say is true. Why would a God who seeks to be ones spiritual and moral mentor who's trying to save you immortal soul abandon his teachings and start committing the same sins he's supposedly trying to keep you from committing in order to get to heaven? A true God would understand that this moral break in his character would cause disbelief of his existence from those humans who logically think for themselves because at this point you'd have to be brainwashed to dismiss all his sins and continue to follow his teachings that he doesn't follow himself just because he claims to be God. An all powerful God who supportedly created the entire universe and existence of man should NEVER under any circumstances have to commit the hideous acts that this supposed God of love, forgiveness, and compassion did in this Bible. Him and his followers broke a large amount of his 10 commandment throughout the Bible. He broke the very first one on many occasions which was thou shalt NOT kill. He personally committed more sins in the Bible than the devil he tries to discry all thoughout the Bible did. Go reread your Bible and find out the truth and that's this God was not full of supposed light and truth like this Bible claims he was. You can't be committing mass murder one minute and the next minute be claiming that killing people is a sin and then the next minute be justifying the stoning of others for shit like foraging on the sabbath day like he did with Mosses right after he gave him the 10 commandments, with the first rule being thou shalt NOT kill. Now miss me with your nonsense because the Bible is just as full of hypocrites as these churches are these days. I guess the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, huh?
@@youngking8666 bruh. I am NOT reading all that. No disrespect to you, my brother, but.....GOD CAN DO WHAT HE WANTS. HE IS THE CREATOR. The f? He literally created the laws and rules of morality. He is not bound by any of them. Get your mind right. And...rightwinger? Lmbao. No. Truth&God winger, yes.
@@reezoe164 OK, why leave the world in such disarray. All that killing he did and support all throughout the Bible accomplished what? All the good he could have done that could have positively changed the trajectory of the world he didn't.
@@youngking8666 you clearly dont understand. First of all YOUR MIND...is not GODS MIND. Nor is your power/strength the same as His either. God didnt leave the world any way. The world is the way it is bc thats the way it is. IF.....you follow God...and love Him the way He loves you, you wont have to worry. This world is not home to anyone that follows God. This world is full of sin...and pain. Get sin out your life and it will improve greatly. It wont be perfect, bc we ALL need to suffer. But....your life will improve greatly. Stop murdering. Stop lying. Stop fornicating. The bible literally gives you the instructions to follow! It dont get much easier than that.
So the punishment for adultery is obesity? Nice one God! Hey, you wanna cheat on your man?! BOOM instantly on MTV with their own my 1200lbs life show.
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Except this means the woman is unfaithful, it doesn't necessarily mean she became pregnant. It implies the wife cheating and is therefore cursed by the priest to not be able to become pregnant.
Laslty, miscarriage is different than abortion.
Women can miscarry and not want it, but abortion is a choice.
this is the 2011 niv verision. the orginal verison didn't even have the word miscarriage, nor did it imply the girl was pregnant. it never said the poison would cause a miscarriage. he clearly didn't do his research.
Nope you just don’t want to accept the fact god is pro abortion.
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Context is important.
Without it, one cannot understand the basic written Word or words in general, much less concepts.
God is hence merciful as shown in the text read by Cenk (even if he was a bit snarkey during side commentary). ☺️You'll see this mercy (it being obvious if one cares about context) - if not, one will remain blind even to what's clear and obvious...especifically, the text itself.
If the aim is not understanding, one cannot be humbled nor much less meek...thus making inheriting the Kingdom quit more difficult.
God bless ma peeps! 🙏 ❤️
You and your god are evil...Sounds about right.
Your Christianese is cute and folksy, and I'm sure you're a nice person, but you're wrong.
"Out of context" is probably THE most common excuse Christian apologists make when they got bupkis. (You’re not the only one who can do “folksy”!)
The context is that “GAWD will impart his mighty wrath because your husband OWNS you!”
Whatever you think about this, it’s not a modern “moral guide”, it’s an ancient one, when women were like cattle. I get that lots of Christians have trouble being told what your own Holy Book actually says/means by non-believers (or former ones), but you DO realize that this “pro-life” stuff has a fairly well-known origin, politically speaking in America, right?
Just as Christians tend not to know what’s in their Bible, they also tend not to know much about RECENT RW history for some reason.
Fascinating, isn’t it, Christian camp counselor Steve?
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Of Note: Once again, no consequences for the man/men involved.
What a silly notion.
If you would actually read the Bible you will see that it says men who commit adultery should be executed.
You do realize that this ritual will not work, don't you. A combination of holy water and dust from the temple floor will NOT produce a potion which will figure out if the woman has been unfaithful and punish her if she does. The purpose of the ritual is to set the jealous husband's mind at ease, or may be scare the woman into confessing. But magic potion, NO!
The operative words are that the priest will tell her.
There are in other verses.
False: After she reacts they say "shall enter" twice & the male will show all the same signs. Their face pales, eyes do something, body becomes full of veins.
Numbers 5:11-31 is about a woman that is suspected of adultery, in verse 28 it said if she is found innocent she shall conceive children
Who didn’t see this coming let’s just skip ahead to verse 27 which is where you’re trying to get to
Get an accurate translations 1st. Then read verse 28 too. This is before the seed has been conceived.
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Pro-Life more like hypocrites
Pot calling the kettle black much?
Or just read any translations before the 70s where is clear this is about making the woman barren. Don't forget that pesky 28th verse.
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Basically, gamble by licking the floor and see if or how sick you might become. This also reminds me of testing witches, as we all know ducks float.
The night is black
Without a moon
The air is thick and still
The vigilantes gather on
The lonely torchlit hill
Features distorted in the flickering light
Faces are twisted and grotesque
Silent and stern in the sweltering night
Mob moves like demons possesed
Quiet in conscience, calm in their right
Confident their ways are best
Ooh, ahh
The righteous rise
With burning eyes
Of hatred and ill-will
Madmen fed on fear and lies
To beat and burn and kill
They say there are strangers who threaten us
Our immigrants and infidels
They say there is strangeness, too dangerous
In our theatres and bookstore shelves
Those who know what's best for us
Must rise and save us from ourselves
Quick to judge
Quick to anger
Slow to understand
Ignorance and prejudice
And fear, walk hand in hand
Except if this was nothing the result would be nothing. Ducks sink too btw.
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Lol. Who comes to Cenk for a Bible study! Vast majority don't translate that to miscarriage, it's to make barren. & in verse 28 it even says she can "...then...conceive seed" which is when life starts.
The blasphemous religious folk only pick the verses that they want to listen to. That is even in the Bible that they must take it word for word.
You better be glad most Christians ignore certain parts the Bible, if anyone followed all the rules set forth in the Old Testament and even the new one they would spend the rest of their lives in jail in most civilized countries and get executed in the rest.
@@angryarmadillogaming7863 your not making any sense.
@@angryarmadillogaming7863 PFFFT Ahhahahahaa. Explaining excerpts from a book of fiction is supposed to be make a fool out of me?! BAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!
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Trying to rationally discuss the meanings behind a work of fiction with those who hold it to be the One Truth is like talking to a wall, while simultaneously beating your head against it.
A lot of walls respond really well to a properly wielded sledgehammer.
Oh it’s far from fiction, it’s all history hidden in code. All ancient biblical texts from the Bible, Quran, Torah, Etc… All correlate with one another in their stories, just with different reasons/explanations. I believe the Bible is closer to the actual historical truth. As more and more scientific discoveries are made, the more some mythical stories in the Bible actually make sense.
@@KennyRodgers930 ... You've watched "The Divinci Code" WAY to many times.
@@KennyRodgers930 You should check out this on author... Hubbard... Yeah, L. Ron Hubbard... I think you'd love his work... Or Smith.. Joseph Smith, I hear he was pretty clever too.
Evolution is fiction.
They skipped that page in bible
He also didn’t mention the very next verse that says she will conceive children implying that she wasn’t pregnant.
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God's punishment for sin ceases to be God's when chosen by a human. Just because God strikes Uzzah dead, doesn't mean we can.
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Exodus 21:22-23
“And when they strive together men and they injure woman pregnant so that they go out children of her but not he is mortal injury to fine he shall be fined. As he shall place on him husband of the woman and he shall give on judgements. But if harm he is then you shall give life in place of life” (The Hebrew-English Interlinear ESV Old Testament; Literal reading)
This passage is about a violent argument between men, where there is a pregnant woman present near them. During this struggle, the woman is somehow “injured” (nâgaph, which can also include fatal injuries), which caused the “children (masculine plural, boys), to “come out” (yâtsâ’) of the woman. It is clear from the Hebrew, that the “mortal injury” is of the children, and not the woman, as we have the masculine, singular, “’âsôn” used, as the ESV rightly reads, “he is”. “’âsôn” is used in the Old Testament for serious, and even fatal injuries.
The Hebrew “wə·yā·ṣə·’ū yə·lā·ḏe·hā”, literally, “children come out”, is translated as “to miscarry”, or, “born prematurely”, or “fruit depart”, or “come out”, etc, in our English Versions. The masculine plural, shows that there is more than one boy in the womans womb.
In verse 23, “’âsôn” is used to show that either, one, or both of the boys died from the result of the injuries sustained by the woman, during this violent argument between the two men. It is clear, “then you shall give life in place of life”, which is a requirement of death, and not injury.
It is clear from verse 23, that if the child, or children, died, which can only mean, “to miscarry”, and not as some English translations read, “she gives birth prematurely”, as in the NASB, as this does not mean that the child or children, did not live. “she has a miscarriage”, is used in these Versions: NAB; NASB 1977; Douay-Rheims Bible; NRSV; Lasma Syriac Bible; The Contemporary Torah, JPS, 2006, etc
Abortion in the Bible is MURDER
No, Sir! You have inappropriately misinterpreted the context of this passage. You see, you have a presupposition that Moses is writing about "abortion". This is called "Eisegesis" Which means - to insert ones own ideas rather than the intended meaning. Moses is not talking about the topic of abortion here. Cenk is reading from the NIV and also he is skipping verses which is improper hermeneutics. Although improper lets continue. He asserts that "the priest is causing a misscarriage" but fails to recognize the orginal meaning of the word "miscarry" in verse 21. The word "Womb" in vs 21 is the Hebrew word ירכ (yerekh) which means thigh, loin, side, or base and the word "miscarry" in Hebrew is נפלת(nofelet) which means to fall away.. The ESV and LSB translation renders it better ("your thigh fall away and your body swells"). The usage of the word "miscarry" is probably to aid the 21 century reader to understand that a prevention or a hault if you will (in reference to only a woman) will take place because of her sin. So... it is an inappropriate interpretation when Cenk says "The priest caused her to have a misscarriage" when the passage asserts no such thing. The NIV is a reliable translation but misses the mark here with the word usage. The entire context is about the disciplinary actions when there is lying after commiting infidelity in the marriage which both are in direct disobedience against the LORD. Also, there is no where in the text that implies that conception had taken place after the adultery had taken place. These are warning passages to infidelity in a marriage and the LORD is most certainly not affirming the killing of children in the womb in order to present "abortion" as truth. Cenk is not a Christian according to the Scriptures and he needs to repent according to the Scriptures. He says so himself. I encourage anyone to the read the passage in context and allow the orginal writer to speak. You wouldn't want someone misinterpreting your book(Especially someone who radically disagrees with you from the start) with their biases in mind would you? I pray this would help and if anything sticks I pray it is this "the pursuit of the authors intended meaning should be paramount". God bless.
Many Christians mistranslate and attach meaning to the bible's writing that may or may not be the writer's message all the time. Usually literal because it's the most obvious for even the most simple minded. It doesn't matter to me if Cenk is misinterpreting it for that reason. I also trust the Christian religion the least of all religions along with it's clergy & followers for many reasons that are justified. Many Christians read only what is directed in church at the time rather than reading it themselves in their spare time so if a pastor wants to, they can avoid the text that seemingly contradicts one of the religion's beliefs.
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Cenk wants a priest to make a video praising him like that one priest praised Ana. Cenk over there getting jealous of Ana’s shine.😂
Hahah How awesome would THAT be?!
UNITY!
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This is talking about a Woman cheating on her husband, this isn’t about a woman going out of her way to abort a child due to sexual impurity. You’re in a covenant with your husband, and should be loyal and faithful throughout that marriage.
Exodus 20:13
“You shall not murder.”
Leviticus 24:17
“Whoever takes a human life shall surely be put to death”
Psalm 139:13-16
“For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother's womb. I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works; my soul knows it very well. My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately woven in the depths of the earth. Your eyes saw my unformed substance; in your book were written, every one of them, the days that were formed for me, when as yet there was none of them”
Romans 1:28-32
“And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. Though they know God's decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.”
Abortion and Miscarriage are two different things.
Deuteronomy 30:19
I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Therefore choose life, that you and your offspring may live,
Ecclesiastes 11:5
As you do not know the way the spirit comes to the bones in the womb of a woman with child, so you do not know the work of God who makes everything
James 2:11
For he who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.
Exodus 23:7
Keep far from a false charge, and do not kill the innocent and righteous, for I will not acquit the wicked.
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But yet in the Gospels, upon hearing the sound of Mary's voice, the baby in Elizabeth's womb leapt for joy. In Chapter 1 of Jeremiah, God tells Abraham, Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you. Furthermore, there's a big difference between a miscarriage, which is a tragedy, and an abortion, which is an intentional act of murder.
And to add to that, God gives us free will! The will to make your own decisions, your choice! And if God allows us to live freely, who is the Government to stop others from doing what they will🤷🤦 They are trying overthrow everything that God has already put in place! It's our decision on how we live our life, what decisions we make, because he gave us free will!
Are you OK with killing a newborn? What about the creature 1 minute before giving birth? 2 hours? 1 month? 3 months? Where is the line? Isn't the creature a totally different human from the mother, with a unique DNA, after the moment of conception? Are you OK with killing a human in its most vulnerable state? What about a baby that is not needed by a mother? Is it OK to abandon the kid if she does not want it?
Because there is a separation of church and state
I agree ☝️; why they don’t fight about the gun laws They are a bunch of hypocrite;who keep on killing those innocent babies and innocent people who mind their own business: why do they stock talk nonsense about Abortion;! Supposed to get rape they want you to keep the baby to? This my question to those who keeps fight, this is my Body I do whatever.I am nor or against abortion your body you do whatever you want God bless you.
@@kuba2ve I understand what you're saying, however, you have to understand that even in the Bible that flat-out says that the baby is nothing more than water for the first forty days in the bible, in the Quran it's 120 days the Catholic church is the one that says it's a viable human being at conception not the Bible but it's the church that is ran by old white men that believe women are nothing more than a vessel to give them pleasure and a child and if they don't give him pleasure or a child they're worthless!!!
And when I say Bible I mean Bible... I am not talking about the King James version of it, which by the way is not a Bible!!!
If I am or not it's my decision! Who are you to judge? God is my judge, he has the final say. Everyone has sinned, even you. We're you okay with the decision you made to do what you wanted? Yes you did! That's no different from someone choosing to have an abortion! God forgives all, even you! Sweep around your own front door, before trying to sweep around someone else's.... Make sure you have your business right with God, he will be judging you for the things you've done, and you alone😜
When HE makes your womb miscarry... it says NOTHING ABOUT US ALLOWING OURSELVES TO MISCARRY or Abort. BE CAREFUL WHEN RECITING SCRIPTURE. Nowhere in there does it prove that he approves us to make those decisions for ourselves...
Aha, why to mention it.
This isn't even a correct translation. The translations before the 70s understand this is talking about being made barren. Amen on still having the correct point. Even in places where God kills it's not like giving man permission to.
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First, it is in Numbers 5 not 11 and the word in Hebrew does not say miscarriage at all. It refers more to her becoming barren and not being able to have children if she is found guilty.
Its number 5 11-38
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Bible also says that killing a pregnant woman is a bigger crime than killing a non pregnant woman. Pretty sure in most countries its also the case. At least in US i think
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1:32 Numbers 5:22 does NOT say miscarry, you changed it. It says "thigh will rot".
Jesús healed a woman who had been bleeding (guess where from…) for 12 years. In the temple. On the sabbath. Publicly. In front of all the disapproving religious leaders. Jesus was always kind, compassionate to women. Jesus treated them as real people.
What does this have to do with what Cenk said?
& said not to keep children from him... I remember something about the person who does that being better off...
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Always good work Spanky
Love love love the passion, Cenk
Doing the Good Lord's work...8-}
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He’s doing the opposite:
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Women have been shamed and damned for ages.
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I just read this recently, but the Southern Baptist Convention was apparently officially pro-choice until 1976. I've also seen reference to statements made by Billy Graham that he stood with Planned Parenthood, inferring that he was in support of abortion rights. His son Franklin is a big-time right-winger and it's also been implied it's not a stretch that he would do his best to remove that kind of info.
Planned Parenthood was not always pro-abortion.
@@chrisazure1624 Margaret Sanger, the founder, was strongly associated with abortion rights, but it was illegal until 1972. They became the largest provider of abortions in the US after that. Frank Schaeffer, who worked for his dad Francis in opposing abortion and knew Billy personally, said he was always pro-choice, like many or most evangelicals until the 80s. It wasn't that he wanted everyone to go out and get an abortion, he saw it as a complex issue that needed more than a black or white approach.
@@rocketreindeer She was associated with eugenics, racism and birth control.
I think back then it was thought only for the health and sanity of the mother and not as birth control after the fact.
@@chrisazure1624 Yes eugenics is evil and wrong, and she coasted with paternalistic attitudes toward Black and other people, but it depends who you ask on how racist she was. MLK spoke positively of her. But none of that changes the fact Billy Graham, according to people who knew him, was pro-choice, as were evangelicals generally. The anti-abortion movement was seen as a Catholic thing until around the 80s. Again, it was not that they were excited and thrilled about abortions, they saw it as a complex, multilayered issue that families needed to decide.
@@rocketreindeer I don't think anyone foresaw the open carnage we have today. The early supporters thought of it as something in difficult cases and not the service for profit it is today.
But Sanger spoke at Klan meetings. She was racist.
Funny, you think they actually read that book! They love to make it up as they go and say it's from the book they've never read as they hold the Bible just like Trump, upside down and backwards. 😆
Did you listen to what it said abortion is a punishment on cheating women
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1:32 Numbers 5:22 does NOT say miscarry, you changed it. It says "thigh will rot".
Ps, hate trump
@@madmank7881No it didnt. Look it up actually
@@WatchMyVideoCovidTruthNoBiolab I was going off what he said in the video which was clearly about women cheating and getting an abortion to get rid of the child as it could be the affair partners child.
Doesn't the flood make God worse than any abortion doctor in history?
God (the Biblical God) is a cruel heartless murdering Bastard...
He, being omniscient knew it would happen... How he'd do it. Could have had every creature fade into dust (ie Avenger's) but chose to have them struggle suffer and panic of drowning... What a Kind and Loving God. Technically, since he knew Eve would sin and how he would punish mankind, He is the Greatest Most Vicious Murdering Bastard that (n)ever existed. AND He knew it ALL before He even started.
@@Christopher33312 preach
@@Christopher33312 this is why our family calls it (god) "The spaghetti man in the sky)
It's all such BS that rational humans just laugh at "religious scholars". They believe ancient texts written in another language, rewritten and transcribed, translated and then tell me that this is TRUTH, bwahaha!!!! 🤣
Again you’re only about the 700,000th person to say this, first he’s a creator of life so he has the right to take life, and if any unborn babies did die it’s a fault of the parents because I had a chance to repent of their sins orchid on the ark.
What chapter is he reading from? I only hear Numbers 11 through 31
Then the priest shall put the woman under the oath of the curse, and he shall say to the woman-“the LORD make you a curse and an oath among your people, when the LORD makes your thigh rot and your belly swell; and may this water that causes the curse go into your stomach, and make your belly swell and your thigh rot.” Then the woman shall say, “Amen, so be it.” (Numbers 5:21-22 NKJV)
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plenty of non-religious reasons to be pro-choice
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I see still misrepresenting (Numbers 5), first of all I just love how you’re like read your Bible, yeah why don’t you actually read the very next verse which says she will conceive children implying that she wasn’t pregnant, and again this is an absolutely terrible example even if the term being used what is in fact miscarriage which it’s not, because you’re quoting from the NIV I can tell because of the wording, the NIV is not a direct translation, and also most translations don’t use the term miscarriage, they say cause her thigh to rot or cause, or caused her to be infertile, and I’ve even seen some translations that Psyco has her fighter shrivel, as well. the Hebrew term for womb, (recheim) isn’t in (Numbers 5), at all anywhere in the Mazzarella text, which is the manuscript at the old testament in the book of numbers is based on, this only took me about 12 minutes to figure out, Plus reading the verse, in context unlike you, really professional journalist 100% facts guy Cenk Uygur, couldn’t bother to do12 minutes of research, I mean you made that first video like seven years ago for crying out loud, that’s amazing. It’s not explicit at all, it doesn’t suggest anything even close to what you’re saying, shut your face shut your mouth, you’re an embarrassment you have no idea what you’re talking about.
Yes, I agree with you that Cenk Uygur is definitely wrong to state that God is pro-abortion. I also agree with the explanations stated by Mr. Trent Horn in the UA-cam video: Refuting "The Young Turks" on the Bible and Abortion.
The bible can literally be use as an argument in favor and against most subjects. It's called cherry picking.🤔🐩
@@rickyedwards5480 definitely.
ADD to that exodus 21:22-25 ....... If men chide, and a man smiteth a woman with child, and soothly he maketh the child dead-born, but the woman liveth over that smiting, he shall be subject to the harm (he shall be subject to a fine), as much as the woman’s husband asketh (for), and as the judges deem (appropriate).
23 Soothly if the death of her followeth (And if her death followeth), he shall yield life for life,
24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
25 burning for burning, wound for wound, sore for sore
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The Bible is also clear that life begins at first breath, NOT in the womb. So there is that…
Chapter and Verse?
@@innovationhq8230 Ezekiel 37:5 Thus says the Lord God to these bones: Behold, I will cause breath to enter you, and you shall live. (This is just one of the many places it states this)
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What about "Thou shalt not kill"?
Where does that play into all this?
You kill and eat animals all the time. This isn't much different, it's not a human life that you are killing here, it's fetus/embryo, i.e. living cells, just like your nails and hair
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Lol. Who comes to Cenk for a Bible study! Vast majority don't translate that to miscarriage, it's to make barren. & in verse 28 it even says she can "...then...conceive seed" which is when life starts. Killing is wrong & so is Cenk.
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Also most versions of the Bible dont say this. This particular version translation implies and that "womb swell" as an euphemism for miscarriage. Majority translations don't interrept like this but of course Cenk will fail to ignore the overwhelming majority that oppose his point.
Most versions of the Bible do say this.
They use different words in translation, but even the most obscured and apologetic translations still make it very clear what is being said.
If you want to quibble semantics of ancient euphemism, I've got a Behemoth to discuss with you, but don't try to deny the context of the Ordeal of the Bitter Water, you'll look very foolish.
@@PuffyCloud_aka_puffeclaude I'm sorry just checked NASB KJV among others all support my point. The actual phrase is "thigh to rot" which has been translated into miscarriage, the actual meaning is the punishment for the women is she can't ever conceive a child.
how does your church interpret this verse in your bible studies?
@@jbag7932 The women can no longer have children is the correct translation.
the correct translation according to whom?
Does no one find it disturbing that political policies and judicial laws and practices are being not just informed bit dictated by the most "open to interpretation" book in existence? One that many people do not even believe in? I really struggle to understand how America will be able to survive as a positive force for good and represent liberty and freedom if it continues to intertwine religion and nation as one rather than separate entities. It goes to show that anything can happen, anywhere.
The good book has murdered millions of humans and animals.
@@ericwichmann9536 separation of the state and religion does appear one of the few ways that such past events don't have the power or are at least limited in their reach and strength to repeat such events. The closer the two are combined, the more likely there is for suffering sadly as such things will always be used as justifications for harm even if they are not meant for that purpose
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What about the man when he has sex with another woman and he is married... what happens to him???
His punishment is death, as stated in exodus 22.
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Sorry, what version of Scripture did you read from?
NIV which has been highly discredited. The word miscarriage isn't correct & wasn't in any copies before the 70s. In reality what this does is make the woman barren. There's more that goes with the curse, for her & the guy, but miscarriage instead of being made barren is the part they're messing up.
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Also a counter to "abortion is murder":
The bible says if you strike a pregnant woman and she dies you are to be executed as a murderer, but if she survives and miscarries you only have to pay financial compensation to the father...
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You should read that passage in Exodus again because it says that if the woman gives birth prematurely and no harm is done then he pays at the judge determines BUT if any harm (to the child) follows then he shall give life for life, acknowledging that the child in the womb is a life and ending that life is murder.
If men fight, and hurt a woman with child, so that she gives birth prematurely, yet no harm follows, he shall surely be punished accordingly as the woman’s husband imposes on him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
23“But if any harm follows, then you shall give life for life,
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Obvious scam artist says what?
My question is why pro-choice people don’t use this more often.
This is only the second time I’ve ever come across this from someone that’s pro-choice even .
Should be a major tool in the pro choice tool kit.
Thank you for posting this. Those of us in America who support women's right to sovereignty over their own bodies (the vast majority of us) need to just go ahead and memorize this and the other Biblical passages that support abortion... i.e., the lines about how the punishment for striking a woman and causing a miscarriage is a simple monetary fine... because the Bible, and therefore God, regard fetuses as 'property' and NOT as 'human life'. There's also the bit about life beginning at first breath... but the passage and interpretation of those lines is less immediately clear, so perhaps less usable, since the 'audience' is overtly hostile and won't sit through a long textual analysis.
Basically, we need to be able to say, "But the bible supports abortion" and "The bible regards beating another man's wife, and causing a miscarriage, to be a property crime, punishable by a fine, while it regards killing a human as murder, punishable by execution. We have to destroy their ability to say they oppose abortion for 'religious' reasons, so we can move the conversation to where it belongs, about personal sovereignty over one's own body, or 'security of person', as it is referred to in the 'Universal Declaration of Human Rights'.
Exodus 21:22-25 - If you cause a miscarriage or abortion by committing assault you must be punished by paying a monetary fine.
Genesis 9:6, AND Leviticus 24:17, AND Exodus 21:12 - If you kill a human, you should be punished by execution.
Vast majority don't translate that to miscarriage, it's to make barren. & in verse 28 it even says she can "...then...conceive seed" which is when life starts. By yours & the scientific standard the baby should equally have rights to their body.
@@vashmatrix5769 Hmm. No. Even if you weren't wildly mistaken about 'when' a fetus becomes a 'human' (go ahead and remind us of when, during the pregnancy, you think that is, and why...) but no 'human' has the right to 'another humans' body. Even if anyone agreed with you that cell-masses and zygotes were actually 'people' (which, again, the VAST MAJORITY does NOT), then ONE 'person' does not have the right to use ANOTHER person's body as a 'life-support system'. No matter which way you want it to be, no one has the right to anyone else's body.
@@yishnir look up oxford. All you did was list stages of human or animal development. If you're talking about a human mother, they're only carrying a human baby. 2nd, yes people do have rights to another's body, people conjoined for example, while ironically you're trying to say the mother has right over the babies body. Majority recognize conception is when life starts, also majority doesn't make morality, but we do see the same party still wanting to treat people as property & deny their human rights.
@@vashmatrix5769 Plus, we're only saying that other people don't have the right to *kill* another person. The "no right to anyone else's body" argument is a strawman argument.
@@isheworthy Right. Some in their cult go so far as to say the baby isn't even a human being.
Man, you should read children's books, the GOP might listen.
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There's also a story in Exodus that says if a woman gets in a fight with her neighbor and she miscarries, the neighbor pays a fine to the HUSBAND bc the fetus is HIS property. If she dies, then it's a life for a life (plus a fine to the husband, she's still property)
'The Bible is a book about men, for men, by men.' F.S.
Exodus 21:22
“If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.”
Galatians 3:13
“Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:”
“Know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? “For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's” (1 Cor. 6:19-20)
So not my body 🤔
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While you're at it you should find out when rape is a marriage proposal.
False. They get put to death. Also this makes a woman barren, not miscarry. Try any other translation before the 70s & read verse 28.
@@lightmatrix6867 telling someone to find another translation because you don't like what another translation doesn't say much about the reliability of your holy book.
The Bible is not a guide to get your morals from no matter the translation.
Deuteronomy 22:28-29 “If a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are found, then the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has violated her. He may not divorce her all his days."
@@osonhouston God said not to change his Word & those did. How's the reliability of my Holy book matter when you're talking about a book I don't read that was made in the 70s? Fyi- punishment for taking a woman by force is death. You're talking about a consensual relationship. Haven't you heard of a "shotgun wedding"?
@@lightmatrix6867 you're delusional read your Bible without bias. Depending on the circumstance yes death is the penalty but so is paying the father and marriage to his daughter.
@@osonhouston Do the research. 90 some percent of Bible's recognize it being made barren. You can't find a translation saying miscarriage before that. For the other crime is not a circumstances issue, they're flat put to death.
NO WAYYY!!!! THIS IS GONNA BE GOOOODDD. 🤣👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
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So I'm not the most religious person... But I'm not sure the bible says anything about abortion... I know one thing.... IT SAYS THOU SHALT NOT KILL!
The fifth commandment forbids direct and intentional killing as gravely sinful.
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The Bible verses were referring to a miscarriage, not a still born, and not an abortion.
Therefore, this was a wizardly 0:25 magical play using the elusive play on one word; the word did not even sound the same and meant something differently.
I have another way of looking at it. Take Jeremiah 1 : 5. This is about predestination.
That, together with the fact God is the only one that makes the final Judgement (Numbers), Man should not interfere in the choice of a woman. She will have to face justice from somebody higher than Man.
BS
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