It’s almost like you’re crossing over to the other side, but if you keep breathing through it and collect your head, you can keep a strand still in reality as you drive through the pain coupled with weakness of the mind lying about reaching failure… coming through with a little more understanding each time you endure
There's actually nothing wrong with smiling but what is wrong is there is no sign of fatigue lol. I sometimes smile when I reach the Failure on Squats or DB bench only If I reached the rep range I wanted... Breathing would be on next level but mr. Brad is lol like Scamming himself.
I guess what I should have said was “If you’re smiling while* you’re hitting failure then it is not failure.” I don’t think anybody can physically smile while going through that deep muscle fatigue of momentary muscular failure lol Its brutal
This is so helpful as I’ve been struggling with the idea of what failure is but the slow cadence and pushing even when the weights not moving has been great for me. Occasionally add on one rest-pause extension set 10 seconds after or a few negatives if I feel a bit iffy about how much fatigue I managed to generate. As always great content Jay thanks!
@Warren I think Jay has said in the past the best weight to use is a weight where you reach absolute failure in 8-12 reps. More reps will be less time efficient. Perhaps less reps could be even better but I can't say for sure.
Awesome find Jay! Its makes me now wonder, just how trustworthy, all these studies are, that compare failure, to non failure. As we dont really know if they really do go to failure...
The difference between Failure and Stopping. One is completely TAXED to the MAX until you've exhausted all ur muscles resources to finish the set Vs Stopping under ur own power because ur done
I have just started my HIT journey, and it definitely works, I feel like after I have finished my workout I have been hit by a bus, he'll it's not easy, but it feels like I have done 3 sets, I get to rep 6/7 and then failure almost passed out today doing peck cable flies,this really works everyone , now time for my rest days lol.
Well at least Bradley had his cap on backwards. It made him at least look like he was going to approach that set intensely. He should be embarrassed of that video.
Takes time and practice to reach true failure. Can feel brutal. But with time and practice, you train your body to identify the slowing down and sticking points as just the beginning of failire.Until you just cant contract anymore. Thanks Jay!
Take a weight that is challenging but not so heavy that it breaks your form. Reps should be strictly under control...start with 5 sec up and 5 sec down cadence. Squeeze out the reps. When it starts getting hard and burning, you have just begun your set. If your set lasts more than 2 min. You can increase the weight by a small percentage or slow down the reps. Takes practice to find the weight that works for you. Im seeing incredible results
@@benj884 This is exactly what I said! Going to failure is a mental skill that needs to be trained, and the barrier broken. Your body won't allow you to hit true failure because it leaves you defenseless because you can't move afterwards. And its unbearable hard to get too, once you grind slowly to concentric failure, you have to stay in Static failure for 10 seconds, AND THEN you also have to do eccentric(I would not do this more than 5 seconds it could tear a muscle) (I also wouldn't do this every workout, you will over train and tear a muscle). I am a masochist, I love it! But I see why people get no where near failure.
I'm not a pro trainer or bodybuilder but for what it's worth, I'll share my thoughts on the matter after close to 30 years of athletics and strength training. Movement is key, no matter what. Your lymphatic system only works through muscular action and the movement of metabolites and cellular waste are key to recovery. Walk, swim, ride a bike, play a sport, jump rope, climb...whatever floats your boat. Just move. Do your best to keep processed food and sugar out of your diet. Eat more red meat. Also corrective exercises focusing on areas of personal deficiency or to bulletproof certain areas; knees, ankles and shoulders for example. Lastly stretching. That could get as complex as you would like it too. There's a channel called movement parallels life that has some really great dynamic movement and stretch routines. I know you mentioned optimizing hypertrophy specifically which I don't know that any of what I mentioned will, but it will help optimize your long game, so you can keep pursuing them gainz! 🦾
Failure looks different depending on the exercise and rep range you're using. Especially in pulling movements, it comes very quickly if you're using an 8-10 rep range. If this exercise is regularly in his routine, then he knows when he's going to fail, and he doesn't need to grind out that last rep. It's still failure, it just doesn't look the same as something like a hack squat where you can power through an extra 2-3 reps at a slower tempo.
Number 1. I said this in another video of another person: Dorian once told me (regarding all this “scientists “and their research), check what accomplishments they have made in their body and in the sport before paying attention to all of the information they want to persuade you to believe. I agree with him totally by watching this guy, training to “failure” and his body. Number 2. I think that there is a lot of study to be made regarding failure. The gym where I go has a technology that will allow you to choose different weights for the positive and negative parts of a rep and also gives the choice of doing a descending set for 6 different weights ( you can choose to a drop set of the positive part only and leaving the negative with the same weight)without interrupting the set. The first time I tried this I said to myself “after 40 + years of training, I just experienced true failure”. What amount of damage I made to the muscle and how long it will take to recover and overcompensate? That is the question. I keep experimenting
I tried the proper failure approach one time just lifting a dumbell, reached failure and for a good week and a half afterwards my arm was killing just out stretching it, very tight where i couldn't even rest my arm properly. Sure it recovered after over a week, but going all in on muscle failure is gonna put you out of action if youre not used to it lol especially if you do your whole body.
sounds like you were a novice/untrained individual, that type of novel high intensity stimulus is obviously going to create a dramatic signal. for people who train regularly, your body will adapt and your recovery improves.
People often hit failure and instantly set the weight down and skip the iso and slow negative as well. It’s hard to get people to train to true failure. It’s why I often use drop and myo reps.
The biggest problem I run into is I lose track of my reps when I’m trying to also keep track of my cadence when getting close failure. I still like know my reps so I can see if I’m progressing or not. But it’s tough to count them when suffering through a ton of pain and heavy breathing.
So 3 to 4 sets to get to “failure” or do it all in one set. I will take one set. And of coarse the 3 and 4 sets don’t include warm Ups. Too much wasted time
No! Best bet if you want to do negatives is to have workout partner help you with the positive part so you can focus on negatives. By using momentum you do put yourself at risk of injury, but that's up to you to decide if you want to risk it.
hmmmmm, from what I saw, he went to full rep failure. If you look at his last rep, his form broke down. He went down maybe 1 inch less on that last rep. Now if we are discussing effective range of motion, perhaps he is too fixated on that. (I think he is). But based on his guidelines he reaches failure. He classifies any form breakdown as failure. I do agree with the sentiment that his training lacks adequate intensity, however, I felt it necessary to point this out.
Yeah, I saw that too. But so many are making fun of that guy. In the comments above someone said he was 3 to 5 reps shy of failure. That is completely untrue. As you said, if he had continued that set, he would have probably started to do partial reps. One thing that is often overlooked is that some people are grinders and others are not. It depends so much on muscle composition and the weight used. With light weight you can grind more reps, but with a heavy one not so much.
@@danielstoica3489You're completely missing the point of Slowing down the rep when you reach failure. I mean even if you do Faster reps, it stimulated growth but that faster rep becomes slower in the end of the set bcz the muscles are fatigued while weight remained the same. Also, His form already was quite shit. If he did that set with Slower Cadence of 4-2-4 and controlled the Negatives I don't even think he would be able to make 2 reps... Negatives are very tough... And many Real Good fitness experts like Sean Nal, Also advocate faster reps but those faster reps are gonna be slow anyway when you reach failure... If You can't maintain the form, it is your fault... Failure is achieved when you try and fail... What You and other guy said could be true if Brad tried another rep on Positive and wouldn't be able to maintain the form so he would've to quit... But He didn't try... Just felt like Man I can't do.
After watching your videos I've shifted my paradigm and am all in on HIT. I've been trying it for a couple weeks now and I'm having trouble pushing myself to actual muscle failure. Any tips?
I don’t know who I am , what I am or where I am for about a minute and a half after my set then the recovery for the next set can start . Bloodshot eyes or a bleeding nose besides throwing up are good indicators of whether you’re hitting failure or not as well .
I've been exploring HIT for about six months, and it is hard to do! It doesn't come naturally, and I've had to work on increasing my intensity. Every month gets better, I'm getting better at staying calm and even at the end, instead of panicking and wanting to get out as failure approaches.
It's very intense. I've actually found another way to do this. It's called a rest pause method. U actually do 3-4 sets, but u take 12 breaths after each set and go again. It's all counted as one set. I do this as a full body focusing on heavy compound lifts on Sunday. Arms shoulders and deadlift on wed. My body is super sore after. Whole workout takes 35-40 min.
@@terrellchristian6553 Rest pause is a great. At first I was doing a four, five, or even six rest pause set. As my ability to work intensely has increased, I've reduced the number of rest pause sets. This morning was legs, and I was doing one or two rest pauses per set.
@@Lance54689 oh my God. I did rest pause squats for the 1st time last week with the hex bar....I was gasping for air and out of breath...I felt like I just finished running from the cops after each set 😂
Seems like the weight should be heavy enough, that you wouldn't be able to throw it in good form, even if you wanted to! I also see guys use back extension momentum to cheat the cable pull, downward. Which makes it look like you're moving more weight but there's little to no tension on the muscles.
I know HIT well. I trained to proper failure for years but made very few gains. It was brutal, and I blew the engine out. I think I wasn't eating enough and wasn't training often enough. Many HITers take the train less mentality too far.
Back when I used to train (which I look to begin again, after a twenty-five year layoff), I would have my training partner count to about ten before giving up on that last repetition. Sometimes I could eek out a little bit more range of motion past that sticking point, but, rarely, could I complete that last repetition through its full range of motion (unless I cheated in some way).
You got something good, you don't need to spend so much of your time bashing folks. Knees over toes guy could bash you all to death, but he takes the high ground and teaches.
Does working out using your methods, translate to higher strength when I use other people's methods just to show off? Like if I can bench 40 lbs dumbbells for 8 reps using time under tension and 4-2-4 cadence then if I do 1-1-1 cadence, will I be able to bench press with 50 lb dumbbells?
you'd need to practice benching 1-1-1 in combination to maximise your abilty within it, but yes if you use 1 set to failure with a 4-2-4 cadence at 8 reps, you can likely bench double that with a 1-1-1 cadence, obviously for performance purposes
you should not care about showing off or what weight you use at all. it is not important for muscular hypertrophy. you can make great gains off of "light" weights by maximizing the form and contraction, and make subpar gains off of "heavy" weights with sloppy form and momentum
This may sound crazy, but you have to train going to muscle failure. When you start out doing HIT the first month you are no where CLOSE to hitting it. Ever try to hit failure and you just give up before all the 5:04? You just can't get the weight down in full range of motion but your not panting? Your body isn't used to having to go 100% out yet, it physically won't allow you to go to complete failure because being 100% failed leaves you defenseless. I guarantee you will know when you have hit failure for the true first time because you will not be able to move afterwards.
‘You aren’t training hard enough,’ is the common reply from HITer’s. MMF is something that must be taught and practiced. True MMF is devastating, and take a lot of concentration to achieve.
@@exercisethoughtsanddiscussions i am well aware, by using things like machines it is very possible to achieve momentary muscular failure consistently and reliably. With free weights I would agree that it takes a much higher level of skill and concentration. Thank god for Arthur jones. I do not train with any free weights really, almost all exercises exclusively done with machines or cables.
Omg. Your definition of muscle failure is completely unnecessary for maximum muscle growth 😂😂😂 if you’re looking to burn out your CNS, perfect! But for growing muscle, not even close to necessary. The scary thing is how convinced this guy is that it’s necessary. This shaking/killing your nervous system intensity isn’t required. Period.
Thank you Jay for all your knowledge! I have just started training your way and am excited to see results💪 In my drop set, when I reach failure with a certain weight, I find that I can still keep doing more reps and more failures with a lower weight after I reach failure. Should I just stop at the first failure or how much weight should I continue to drop in my drop set?
Depending on what exercise it is & what the next exercise will (superset fashion) "running the rack" as Arnold did enters the realm of volume work & could possibly lead to overtraining resulting in such an in-road that recovery & compensation take much longer to result or worse possible injury. Choose the heaviest weight for a slow rep speed staying tension under load (TUL) for 45-90 seconds. Once you achieve failure, you're finished with that exercise. Move on, get out of the gym, go home & grow.
@@americanthaiboxer7224 I see. I am a bit nervous about whether I will overtrain or whether I will stimulate my muscles enough during each exercise. But maybe I just have to trust that I'm training optimally after I've reached my failure after 45-90 sec?
It's so taxing that I did old school hacks which is a reverse deadlift and my wholebody got pumped from that, and I felt I could have done another set but it then burns out your central nervous system , that's why you can't do many, but you get the benefit as if you did triple, the same goes for leg press, stiff legged deadlifts, calf presses, I do warm up I can't just go straight to 900 pounds on leg press, I do two heavy warm ups until I get to the last set, at my age I have warm the joints first, just like dorian yates has shown us, once I was done I was thinking of doing something else, 😉, I had no juice for anything after. A total of 7 sets not counting warm ups, if you can do more your not doing it correctly 👍
Maybe it's not failure at all, but I disagree that they do not stimulate anything at all. They do! It's enough to do 1 - 3 RIR for a fine stimulus for natty as Schoenfeld is)
No. Failure is the subject’s mental decision. This is why so many people perform multiple sets instead of a single sets to failure. This type of training is very difficult and extremely uncomfortable.
This is why studies can be tricky because a lot of the researchers who claim patients trained to failure aren't actually training to failure. like the example at 3:57 that was a joke of a set lol
if they are gaining muscle without actually training to failure then isn't that a positive thing? It shows that you can gain decent amounts of muscle mass training reps away from failure, how great is that lol
Wrong. Failure is easy to achieve. You just keep going until you actually fail. Also, lighter weights for high reps create deeper “end-roads”. You’ve failed harder on a 20-rep max than a 10-rep max. You’ve essentially dug deeper into the muscles ability to do work because a 20 rep max allows you to take smaller “chucks” of potential out on a rep-by-rep basis. It’s completely arbitrary. You can do super slow reps or fast ones.
I know what's wrong with the guys set: he put too much weight and thats why he stopped abruptly cause he was anyway using momentum the whole set if you look closer , a main sign of someone using too much weight for his own Strength
I do understand why Schoenfeld thinks it was failure. It was explosive concentric power failure lookalike. By loading too much weight, doing fast pulls and quick negatives..using momentum, he reached a sticking point of not being able to explosively pull in the range of motion as in previous reps... Thats how all of us were kind of taught the training was correct. But on a pulldown machines we have at work..and all other machines, it is clearly stated, pick desireable weight and slowly controllably move the weight in both directions....I was laughing at this description thinking, yea, this is for old or beginner people to learn the movement..only explosive gives result, while quickly adding plates and reaching a plateau with negligible strength and size increase. Description on the machine is laughing at me now. Well not any more. Ive come to its terms. Reprogrammed into slow and its night and day feel. Feell sorry for the weight jerking guys now. Everyone has to reach that conclusion himself. @45 military guy.
Thankfully the research has nothing to do with how he trains. During studies they shout and scream to get the participants to go to true failure. Besides, lat pulldown is a terrible example for what constitutes failure. Is failure when you fail to pull to chest, chin, nose, forehead, top of head? No one knows. It's all indidividual.
Ok but it's scientific fact failure isn't necessary to maximize hypertrophy so failure training has absolutely no benefits and big negatives like CNS fatigue and excess cortisol.
Schoenfeld was 100% correct. When he said "that is my failure" --- truer words were never spoken.
Lmao
I’m finally starting to be able to accomplish true failure. It’s unlike anything I’ve ever felt. Makes you feel alive. Inroad..
It’s almost like you’re crossing over to the other side, but if you keep breathing through it and collect your head, you can keep a strand still in reality as you drive through the pain coupled with weakness of the mind lying about reaching failure… coming through with a little more understanding each time you endure
My legs were dead after I did a set only managed 7 reps, was a bit wobbly afterwards lol
If you smile after a set to failure you didnt go to failure lol
Good one 😂
Exactly!
There's actually nothing wrong with smiling but what is wrong is there is no sign of fatigue lol. I sometimes smile when I reach the Failure on Squats or DB bench only If I reached the rep range I wanted... Breathing would be on next level but mr. Brad is lol like Scamming himself.
I guess what I should have said was “If you’re smiling while* you’re hitting failure then it is not failure.” I don’t think anybody can physically smile while going through that deep muscle fatigue of momentary muscular failure lol Its brutal
There’s definitely a sign of fatigue there, it’s just not a deep enough level which would have been failure.
This is a perfect example. Excellent video.
you are awesome bro, did not know you had a yt channel, I do follow you on ig though
This is so helpful as I’ve been struggling with the idea of what failure is but the slow cadence and pushing even when the weights not moving has been great for me. Occasionally add on one rest-pause extension set 10 seconds after or a few negatives if I feel a bit iffy about how much fatigue I managed to generate. As always great content Jay thanks!
@Warren I think Jay has said in the past the best weight to use is a weight where you reach absolute failure in 8-12 reps. More reps will be less time efficient. Perhaps less reps could be even better but I can't say for sure.
It blows my mind that people (still) don't know this ...
Disprove all the BS. Love these shorter video format. Keep it up Jay
Awesome find Jay! Its makes me now wonder, just how trustworthy, all these studies are, that compare failure, to non failure. As we dont really know if they really do go to failure...
i'm kind of surprised i've so far been unable to find any comments by Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines trashing hiit-ers
If I recall correctly, when OldSkool is not bobbing on Arnold's rod he also posts under the handle of "MantasticHo"
The difference between Failure and Stopping. One is completely TAXED to the MAX until you've exhausted all ur muscles resources to finish the set Vs Stopping under ur own power because ur done
Most people have not learned how to concentrate... they never reached muscular failure because they lost their concentration!
So true!
Since I train 1 set to absolute failure my muscle feels more pumped and tired than when I did a complete high volume workout for that muscle group
I have just started my HIT journey, and it definitely works, I feel like after I have finished my workout I have been hit by a bus, he'll it's not easy, but it feels like I have done 3 sets, I get to rep 6/7 and then failure almost passed out today doing peck cable flies,this really works everyone , now time for my rest days lol.
How much rest?
Well at least Bradley had his cap on backwards. It made him at least look like he was going to approach that set intensely. He should be embarrassed of that video.
Takes time and practice to reach true failure. Can feel brutal. But with time and practice, you train your body to identify the slowing down and sticking points as just the beginning of failire.Until you just cant contract anymore.
Thanks Jay!
Take a weight that is challenging but not so heavy that it breaks your form. Reps should be strictly under control...start with 5 sec up and 5 sec down cadence. Squeeze out the reps. When it starts getting hard and burning, you have just begun your set. If your set lasts more than 2 min. You can increase the weight by a small percentage or slow down the reps. Takes practice to find the weight that works for you. Im seeing incredible results
@@benj884 This is exactly what I said! Going to failure is a mental skill that needs to be trained, and the barrier broken. Your body won't allow you to hit true failure because it leaves you defenseless because you can't move afterwards. And its unbearable hard to get too, once you grind slowly to concentric failure, you have to stay in Static failure for 10 seconds, AND THEN you also have to do eccentric(I would not do this more than 5 seconds it could tear a muscle) (I also wouldn't do this every workout, you will over train and tear a muscle).
I am a masochist, I love it! But I see why people get no where near failure.
Could you do a video on what to do on rest days, for optimal growth and hypertrophy between HIT workouts.
I'm not a pro trainer or bodybuilder but for what it's worth, I'll share my thoughts on the matter after close to 30 years of athletics and strength training. Movement is key, no matter what. Your lymphatic system only works through muscular action and the movement of metabolites and cellular waste are key to recovery. Walk, swim, ride a bike, play a sport, jump rope, climb...whatever floats your boat. Just move. Do your best to keep processed food and sugar out of your diet. Eat more red meat. Also corrective exercises focusing on areas of personal deficiency or to bulletproof certain areas; knees, ankles and shoulders for example. Lastly stretching. That could get as complex as you would like it too. There's a channel called movement parallels life that has some really great dynamic movement and stretch routines. I know you mentioned optimizing hypertrophy specifically which I don't know that any of what I mentioned will, but it will help optimize your long game, so you can keep pursuing them gainz! 🦾
He had about 5 reps left lol
Rly??
Failure looks different depending on the exercise and rep range you're using. Especially in pulling movements, it comes very quickly if you're using an 8-10 rep range. If this exercise is regularly in his routine, then he knows when he's going to fail, and he doesn't need to grind out that last rep. It's still failure, it just doesn't look the same as something like a hack squat where you can power through an extra 2-3 reps at a slower tempo.
When i go to failure i feel sick
same, i got sick by hitting failure. I dont Know if it' s bad for the Cns
@@oliviersb4228 its a good thing, stimulates growth
Number 1. I said this in another video of another person: Dorian once told me (regarding all this “scientists “and their research), check what accomplishments they have made in their body and in the sport before paying attention to all of the information they want to persuade you to believe. I agree with him totally by watching this guy, training to “failure” and his body.
Number 2. I think that there is a lot of study to be made regarding failure. The gym where I go has a technology that will allow you to choose different weights for the positive and negative parts of a rep and also gives the choice of doing a descending set for 6 different weights ( you can choose to a drop set of the positive part only and leaving the negative with the same weight)without interrupting the set. The first time I tried this I said to myself “after 40 + years of training, I just experienced true failure”. What amount of damage I made to the muscle and how long it will take to recover and overcompensate? That is the question. I keep experimenting
bro what kind of gym is that
100% with you Jay!!
I can't agree more...
Research: You do(n't) need to reach failure to build muscle
The "failure":
Momentary mean after a short while you can do it again which isn’t failure right ?
Wow. I hear him quoted so much on sciences based channels. Ridiculous
Great videos, Jay. Love your training approach and how you're setting the Fitness Industry straight on all these things.
I tried the proper failure approach one time just lifting a dumbell, reached failure and for a good week and a half afterwards my arm was killing just out stretching it, very tight where i couldn't even rest my arm properly. Sure it recovered after over a week, but going all in on muscle failure is gonna put you out of action if youre not used to it lol especially if you do your whole body.
If ur sets are of that intensity, ur volume also shud appropriately go down
sounds like you were a novice/untrained individual, that type of novel high intensity stimulus is obviously going to create a dramatic signal. for people who train regularly, your body will adapt and your recovery improves.
@@declan5184 i upvote it, i have been training consistently for 4 years
People often hit failure and instantly set the weight down and skip the iso and slow negative as well. It’s hard to get people to train to true failure. It’s why I often use drop and myo reps.
The biggest problem I run into is I lose track of my reps when I’m trying to also keep track of my cadence when getting close failure. I still like know my reps so I can see if I’m progressing or not. But it’s tough to count them when suffering through a ton of pain and heavy breathing.
Film yourself and count afterwards!
This is an excellent comparison of bad quality vs good quality reps. Maybe even more important than MMF.
So 3 to 4 sets to get to “failure” or do it all in one set. I will take one set. And of coarse the 3 and 4 sets don’t include warm
Ups. Too much wasted time
Most people that go to the gym or not goal-oriented it's nothing more than a party game for them!
When you can’t do the concentric part of the exercise anymore should you then use momentum in order to do more forced negatives?
No! Best bet if you want to do negatives is to have workout partner help you with the positive part so you can focus on negatives. By using momentum you do put yourself at risk of injury, but that's up to you to decide if you want to risk it.
hmmmmm, from what I saw, he went to full rep failure. If you look at his last rep, his form broke down. He went down maybe 1 inch less on that last rep. Now if we are discussing effective range of motion, perhaps he is too fixated on that. (I think he is). But based on his guidelines he reaches failure. He classifies any form breakdown as failure. I do agree with the sentiment that his training lacks adequate intensity, however, I felt it necessary to point this out.
Yeah, I saw that too. But so many are making fun of that guy. In the comments above someone said he was 3 to 5 reps shy of failure. That is completely untrue. As you said, if he had continued that set, he would have probably started to do partial reps. One thing that is often overlooked is that some people are grinders and others are not. It depends so much on muscle composition and the weight used. With light weight you can grind more reps, but with a heavy one not so much.
@@danielstoica3489You're completely missing the point of Slowing down the rep when you reach failure. I mean even if you do Faster reps, it stimulated growth but that faster rep becomes slower in the end of the set bcz the muscles are fatigued while weight remained the same.
Also, His form already was quite shit. If he did that set with Slower Cadence of 4-2-4 and controlled the Negatives I don't even think he would be able to make 2 reps... Negatives are very tough... And many Real Good fitness experts like Sean Nal, Also advocate faster reps but those faster reps are gonna be slow anyway when you reach failure... If You can't maintain the form, it is your fault... Failure is achieved when you try and fail...
What You and other guy said could be true if Brad tried another rep on Positive and wouldn't be able to maintain the form so he would've to quit... But He didn't try... Just felt like Man I can't do.
John Heart sent me here. Great video. Subscribed.
Exact same thoughts when i saw this video years ago. It actually made me switch to HIT.
His version of training to failure is like me jumping just high enough to get the bottom of the net, and saying I slam dunked the basketball.😅
1set failure is very good but if someone missed that set then that 1set is pointless.
Thanks 🙏
After watching your videos I've shifted my paradigm and am all in on HIT. I've been trying it for a couple weeks now and I'm having trouble pushing myself to actual muscle failure. Any tips?
I don’t know who I am , what I am or where I am for about a minute and a half after my set then the recovery for the next set can start .
Bloodshot eyes or a bleeding nose besides throwing up are good indicators of whether you’re hitting failure or not as well .
How to know if you've hit failure? You give your wife a hug, she says tighter, and then she asks me why my body is shaking!!🤪😄😄😄
Yet nothing to show for it.
@@dtm4071 meaning?
@@robertadams5437 Your lack of development.
@@dtm4071 and why would you say something like that?
I've been exploring HIT for about six months, and it is hard to do! It doesn't come naturally, and I've had to work on increasing my intensity. Every month gets better, I'm getting better at staying calm and even at the end, instead of panicking and wanting to get out as failure approaches.
It's very intense. I've actually found another way to do this. It's called a rest pause method. U actually do 3-4 sets, but u take 12 breaths after each set and go again. It's all counted as one set. I do this as a full body focusing on heavy compound lifts on Sunday. Arms shoulders and deadlift on wed. My body is super sore after. Whole workout takes 35-40 min.
@@terrellchristian6553 Rest pause is a great. At first I was doing a four, five, or even six rest pause set. As my ability to work intensely has increased, I've reduced the number of rest pause sets. This morning was legs, and I was doing one or two rest pauses per set.
@@Lance54689 oh my God. I did rest pause squats for the 1st time last week with the hex bar....I was gasping for air and out of breath...I felt like I just finished running from the cops after each set 😂
@Jay Vincent thoughts on Rest Pause sets... each to failure?
Once you reach failure on a full rep you can add partial reps or a cheat rep... if you have a training partner you can add some negative reps!
But the benefits of extra sets arnt worth the stress
a 10s rest and 2nd attempt set would be better if you're alone. helps you determine whether it was true failure or not
simply put
Failure is what should end ur set and not just ending or stopping ur set because ur finished or reached the last repetition of ur set
So this is where the 30 sets per muscle group per week comes from 😂😂😂
No. 30 sets per Session 6 days a week 👽
Thanks man for waking me up. Anybody who does real one set to failure knows that even chins and biceps curls are too much for biceps in one session. 🙂
Seems like the weight should be heavy enough, that you wouldn't be able to throw it in good form, even if you wanted to! I also see guys use back extension momentum to cheat the cable pull, downward. Which makes it look like you're moving more weight but there's little to no tension on the muscles.
I know HIT well. I trained to proper failure for years but made very few gains. It was brutal, and I blew the engine out. I think I wasn't eating enough and wasn't training often enough. Many HITers take the train less mentality too far.
Back when I used to train (which I look to begin again, after a twenty-five year layoff), I would have my training partner count to about ten before giving up on that last repetition. Sometimes I could eek out a little bit more range of motion past that sticking point, but, rarely, could I complete that last repetition through its full range of motion (unless I cheated in some way).
Lol that was 20 seconds of tension at best. And I'm being generous, he did 6 fast ass reps, what a joke
Does your program have fullbody template?
Most people are not willing to take a set to failure.
You got something good, you don't need to spend so much of your time bashing folks.
Knees over toes guy could bash you all to death, but he takes the high ground and teaches.
Ellington Darren talked about a guy who threw up after a bicep curl. THAT is failure!
Does working out using your methods, translate to higher strength when I use other people's methods just to show off? Like if I can bench 40 lbs dumbbells for 8 reps using time under tension and 4-2-4 cadence then if I do 1-1-1 cadence, will I be able to bench press with 50 lb dumbbells?
you'd need to practice benching 1-1-1 in combination to maximise your abilty within it, but yes if you use 1 set to failure with a 4-2-4 cadence at 8 reps, you can likely bench double that with a 1-1-1 cadence, obviously for performance purposes
you should not care about showing off or what weight you use at all. it is not important for muscular hypertrophy. you can make great gains off of "light" weights by maximizing the form and contraction, and make subpar gains off of "heavy" weights with sloppy form and momentum
Perfect explanation. 👍👍👍👍
One of your best videos Jay!!
Excellent video!
This may sound crazy, but you have to train going to muscle failure. When you start out doing HIT the first month you are no where CLOSE to hitting it. Ever try to hit failure and you just give up before all the 5:04? You just can't get the weight down in full range of motion but your not panting? Your body isn't used to having to go 100% out yet, it physically won't allow you to go to complete failure because being 100% failed leaves you defenseless. I guarantee you will know when you have hit failure for the true first time because you will not be able to move afterwards.
Fantastic
Well done
Get em Jay
Nah I think the part where I fail to extend the hips is because my hamstrings are trashed and that is failure for that load.
He's also about 135 pounds. He actually looks sickly
In the hundreds of HIT workouts I’ve done, in the thousands of attempts at MMF I tried, I actually achieved true MMF a total of 3 times.
then you aren't training hard enough
@@declan5184 Ha! You have no idea.
‘You aren’t training hard enough,’ is the common reply from HITer’s. MMF is something that must be taught and practiced. True MMF is devastating, and take a lot of concentration to achieve.
@@exercisethoughtsanddiscussions i am well aware, by using things like machines it is very possible to achieve momentary muscular failure consistently and reliably. With free weights I would agree that it takes a much higher level of skill and concentration. Thank god for Arthur jones. I do not train with any free weights really, almost all exercises exclusively done with machines or cables.
I'm training linear progression
Omg. Your definition of muscle failure is completely unnecessary for maximum muscle growth 😂😂😂 if you’re looking to burn out your CNS, perfect! But for growing muscle, not even close to necessary. The scary thing is how convinced this guy is that it’s necessary. This shaking/killing your nervous system intensity isn’t required. Period.
it won't kill your cns if you do machines, seated, isolations with slow cadence and only one set
Thank you Jay for all your knowledge!
I have just started training your way and am excited to see results💪
In my drop set, when I reach failure with a certain weight, I find that I can still keep doing more reps and more failures with a lower weight after I reach failure. Should I just stop at the first failure or how much weight should I continue to drop in my drop set?
Depending on what exercise it is & what the next exercise will (superset fashion) "running the rack" as Arnold did enters the realm of volume work & could possibly lead to overtraining resulting in such an in-road that recovery & compensation take much longer to result or worse possible injury.
Choose the heaviest weight for a slow rep speed staying tension under load (TUL) for 45-90 seconds. Once you achieve failure, you're finished with that exercise. Move on, get out of the gym, go home & grow.
@@americanthaiboxer7224 I see.
I am a bit nervous about whether I will overtrain or whether I will stimulate my muscles enough during each exercise.
But maybe I just have to trust that I'm training optimally after I've reached my failure after 45-90 sec?
Probably the best video I’ve seen yet explaining approaching and reaching true muscle failure.
i cant find this video on you tube maybe he took it down
Great channel but just do t agree with the super slow rep speed
4:18 bahahahah
Good stuff, sir
That’s intensity!!!!!
It's so taxing that I did old school hacks which is a reverse deadlift and my wholebody got pumped from that, and I felt I could have done another set but it then burns out your central nervous system , that's why you can't do many, but you get the benefit as if you did triple, the same goes for leg press, stiff legged deadlifts, calf presses, I do warm up I can't just go straight to 900 pounds on leg press, I do two heavy warm ups until I get to the last set, at my age I have warm the joints first, just like dorian yates has shown us, once I was done I was thinking of doing something else, 😉, I had no juice for anything after. A total of 7 sets not counting warm ups, if you can do more your not doing it correctly 👍
Maybe it's not failure at all, but I disagree that they do not stimulate anything at all. They do! It's enough to do 1 - 3 RIR for a fine stimulus for natty as Schoenfeld is)
Failure is not the subject's decsion, it's the weight's 'decision'.
No. Failure is the subject’s mental decision. This is why so many people perform multiple sets instead of a single sets to failure. This type of training is very difficult and extremely uncomfortable.
Lyle McDonald said it best "failure to fail"
This is why studies can be tricky because a lot of the researchers who claim patients trained to failure aren't actually training to failure. like the example at 3:57 that was a joke of a set lol
if they are gaining muscle without actually training to failure then isn't that a positive thing?
It shows that you can gain decent amounts of muscle mass training reps away from failure, how great is that lol
Your set was perfect, positive failure, static failure, & negative failure.
Jay spits truth like a cobra spits venom
That doctor had 3-4rep left in the tank.
I do my single set until I can’t move the weight regardless of what form I use and my muscles just can’t do anything to get the weight up
Hey Brad, what about these Golden Reps here?
Oh, we'll keep those in reserve, no need for them.
It’s funny how self evident this should be.
Wrong. Failure is easy to achieve. You just keep going until you actually fail.
Also, lighter weights for high reps create deeper “end-roads”. You’ve failed harder on a 20-rep max than a 10-rep max.
You’ve essentially dug deeper into the muscles ability to do work because a 20 rep max allows you to take smaller “chucks” of potential out on a rep-by-rep basis.
It’s completely arbitrary. You can do super slow reps or fast ones.
This video is accurate and correct
Now I just feel bad for Schoenfeld. 😢
I know what's wrong with the guys set: he put too much weight and thats why he stopped abruptly cause he was anyway using momentum the whole set if you look closer , a main sign of someone using too much weight for his own Strength
I do understand why Schoenfeld thinks it was failure. It was explosive concentric power failure lookalike. By loading too much weight, doing fast pulls and quick negatives..using momentum, he reached a sticking point of not being able to explosively pull in the range of motion as in previous reps... Thats how all of us were kind of taught the training was correct. But on a pulldown machines we have at work..and all other machines, it is clearly stated, pick desireable weight and slowly controllably move the weight in both directions....I was laughing at this description thinking, yea, this is for old or beginner people to learn the movement..only explosive gives result, while quickly adding plates and reaching a plateau with negligible strength and size increase. Description on the machine is laughing at me now. Well not any more. Ive come to its terms. Reprogrammed into slow and its night and day feel. Feell sorry for the weight jerking guys now. Everyone has to reach that conclusion himself. @45 military guy.
So true man. I'm sorry that Jay didn't explain like you, but just made fun of him. We all have to learn and what you said is much more precious.
Wow this is what I always suspected about the "training to failure" studies that came out recently. I wondered what their definition of failure is.
nice
Thankfully the research has nothing to do with how he trains. During studies they shout and scream to get the participants to go to true failure.
Besides, lat pulldown is a terrible example for what constitutes failure. Is failure when you fail to pull to chest, chin, nose, forehead, top of head? No one knows. It's all indidividual.
About ten years ago a popular myth rose that we should not train to failure...I'm still laughing.What a joke those two guys are.
He was just demonstrating TRUE failure. Ie he failed to fail whilst failing the true failure. He is the G.O.A.T of failure! 🤣
Ok but it's scientific fact failure isn't necessary to maximize hypertrophy so failure training has absolutely no benefits and big negatives like CNS fatigue and excess cortisol.
ideally, you would have stayed stoic till then end.... no? trying to be constructive?
ive been saying this for 10 years BRAD IS A JOKE....KNOWS LITTLE OF EXERCISE AND IS NOT BUILT AT ALL...
Aye!
That's a sad excuse for a set. I've literally seen my child train harder then that