Taekwondo Is Having A Major Renaissance - Kombat Taekwondo Commentary
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- Опубліковано 26 чер 2024
- Taekwondo matches are now in a cage. We have to give Rick Shin a major shoutout for putting together this awesome league. Let's watch three full-contact taekwondo matches: Vincent Meng vs Pablo Solano, Adrian Flores vs Diego Flores, and Natalia Vilella vs Lucia Fusco. Let's watch how each contender implements what they learned from their TKD training into these matches! Let us know what other moves you want to see!
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Timecodes:
0:00 US TKD vs Costa Rican TKD
5:13 Mexican TKD vs Chilean TKD
10:23 Brazilian TKD vs Argentinian TKD
14:47 A weakness in TKD revealed
15:18 Shoutout Rick Shin
15:41 More TKD viewers please step up
15:53 Viewer shoutout
16:08 Questions for viewers - Спорт
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I want to see
more of anything like this. If some obscure circuit starts trying to revitalize the combat side of an art, I want to see it.
They don't need that. We have TKD guys in MMA that do fine while looking far better than anyone here lol.
Vincent Meng is also an undefeated Guoshu lei tai champion, US Wushu Sanda Team member and Pan American bronze medalist, and also secured an amateur MMA debut submission victory under Made Men Promotions in Shepherdsville, Kentucky, back in February. Here, he is returning to his first love of Taekwondo, but still representing Wushu Sanda well with the signature Wushu bow/salute (抱拳礼； bàoquánlǐ, literally “holding fist courtesy”) during his walkout, great forward pressure using punches and kicks, and an under catch (外抄； wàichāo, literally "outer seizing") kick catch and dump followed by ground and pound near the end of the fight! I've said it before and I'll say it again, Vincent is one of the latest examples of how Sanda can produce some of the best fighters through cross-training, with his kicks from Taekwondo, takedowns and takedown defense from freestyle/scholastic wrestling, like Cung Le, Muslim Salikhov and Zabit Magomedsharipov, and is in my opinion the #1 pound-for-pound active US Wushu Sanda fighter right now. Having had the privilege to spar and train alongside him as a fellow US Wushu Sanda Team member, I can say he completely schooled me, I had nothing on him. No so-called pure kung fu fighter in the US, by any definition of that term, can beat him.
Ok it's makes sense. His aggression is definitely from his wushu background
Nobody mentioned he has two world titles in Wing Chun also.
@@VingTsunMuseumVideosis there video for these competitions?
another thing is that this was a stand up fighting match, If mma rules were allowed he probably would took down and submitted is opponent easily with Sanda take downs.
This is the TKD style I was taught. Great to see it here!
What is the style called?
My guess of style for their Tae Kwon Do kicking, switching and angling with semi bladed more open stances looks very much like WTF style. This is what I currently practice. However, the punching is not WTF. They do not look anything at all like ITF either.
@@harryb2545 tysm! I asked cuz im preparing to take TKD classes and atm WT is more appealing to me with it being full contact and focussed on high kicks. But the best quality teacher/dojang near me is more ITF, so im more inclined to go with that school. But i like what theyre doing in this vid too so i was curious if it was ITF or a different established TKD style other than ITF and WT
This is the TKD that should be in the Olympics and not the boring standing still waiting for the opponent to make the first move.
The Olympics TKD uses the WTF ruleset for their matches. Believe it or not, it’s actually full contact (despite it being point fighting) and there are tons of KOs in high level non-Olympics TKD tournaments worldwide. The main reason Olympic TKD matches look like jokes is coz it happens only once every 4 years and the stakes are high, so most athletes err on the side of caution and we end up with foot fencing.
Interesting. The fact remains that all combat arts start to look remarkably similar as soon as there is full contact.
Great, man! Nice to see you commenting Kombat TKD.
Just like Karate Combat they need to have a rule set favouring the use of style-specific techniques. In this case, say, give more points for tornado kicks, axe kicks and head kicks in general
They should have boards hanging around to randomly break too, and a kata spot to spontaneously bust a sequence. Their fight should revolve around gaining access to those things and successfully achieving them. I'd actually watch that - fighting tactically for the glory of the art, not for some pretend 'real fight in a cage' presentation.
@@Erime This sounds a lot like a capoeira game called Jogo de Dinheiro where you place a handkerchief full of coins in the middle and the two capoeiristas try to lift it off the floor (mostly with their teeth) while fending off each other's attempts through kicks, blocking with their bodies, acrobatic moves, etc. A tactical game with a little bit of violence involved
taekwondo kicks are hella fast like whips
Great stuff! I don’t know enough about TKD hand techniques to spot any, but for the kicks, dawg it was like watching a point fighting TKD match, but full contact, which I guess that’s exactly what it was lmao
Fun fact: WTF TKD (Olympic rules) is actually full contact with tons of KOs in every tournament. It’s still point fighting, but the blows are full contact, unlike Olympic karate where you get disqualified for KOing your opponent
@user-pu9bp7tp9x no it's not, full contact means action isn't stopped after a hit AND power isn't played down.
@@DubiousDubs the action isn't stopped in an olympic taekwondo match
TKD hands include a jab, the old reverse punch, the hook (dollyo jireugi), and the uppercut (chi jireugi).
There are also palm blocks in the curriculum (Batangson makki).
Also, they have a "teep" (mireo chagi).
@@DubiousDubs the referee does NOT pause the action in WTF TKD after a hit; they only pause during clinch like boxing or during a standing 8 count after a knockdown. also they hit with FULL power; that's why there are tons of KOs in TKD. you just contradicted your own ignorance with your own statement. research the subject before talking like a tool
Awesome video , this is great for taekwondo
TKD
KARATE
Are doing great in MMA
Kung fu needs to be in MMA too
Cung lee used sanda during his stint in mma
Short bald TKD guy here. And I'm loving Kombat Taekwondo.
cool idea Kombat Taekwondo but they should use the Kombat Karate style of arena, not this octagon
I sent this in to you on ig, great to see your channel appreciating tkd! It's not just the silly olympic foot fencing. Thak you for reacting to this my brother
Bro the timing of this! 😂 So Glad Taekwondo 🥋 is testing itself like this. Give it a few years of testing and soon they'll forget about the glute kicks. We need more TMA re Emergence and a new focus on actual fighting and not point sparring. This is phase 1.
Taekwondo has everything to beat out boxing. More range, far more power, the only thing is that kicking directly to the face is too risky. If Taekwondo can just evolve some good defence, and adopt more MuayThai/Kyokushin Tactics. There is no reason why they can't be feared in the ring as a style or sub style
Looks like the taekwondo I learned back in the late 70s.
FINALLY ITS LOOKING LIKE 90’s and 00’s TKD AGAIN
This is great stuff! I was looking forward to seeing the Kombat TKD fights after seeing the commercial for that league. I was not disappointed. I'd be curious to hear the details of the rule set.
I saw the Meng boys at 2016 Sanshou nationals and have been trying to get their gym’s Meng’s Martial Arts tshirt ever since
This is SUPER cool. As someone who fought till regionals back in highschool in taekwondo I love this
For the low kicks I assume they outlawed the low kicks.
What's the point then. If you want TKD to translate into kickboxing, you can't just ban super common techniques.
@@MatthewNguyen-zx3de Idk i did not organize this lol
I think they want to showcase the tkd kicks to the body and the head like taekyon. its funny that they allow the grapplings and striking downed opponents tho. Is there a place where we can read more on the mechanics? its really not clear at all and what is this league called?
But all in all its great plus even in kickboxing you wont see tkd style kicking everyday
I got the impression that it was very similar to old school american kickboxing regarding the rules, although there's ground strikes allowed in a way that resembles Karate Combat
Long ranged homing axe kicks would do great here tbh.
The meta here is like point style kicking like olympic tkd but on comps you can punch the body when you get close (that gets points if it shakes the opponent) then clinch. this time you need to actually know how to box inside. A great body hook and uppercut combinations inside will be super broken
BJJ/Judo guy here, I think TKD is cool!
Very good. Could you please upload a video about qinna gedou?
Nice
Frame rate made me pull a muscle in my frontal lobe.
Yo Jerry you are about to interview my coach Hurricane Santana. Im a taekwondo guy and i learned to use the wide range of kicks to the legs and let me tell you the leg hook kick is impressive.
Hurricane Santana interview is on fight commentary chats
It is good that we have karate combat and taekwondo combat. Lets hope there will be aikido combat and wingchun combat
Me personally I actually don't like this approach to updating sport Taekwondo very much. IMO it just turns it into another Karate Combat clone/Subpar kickboxing. The sport form of Taekwondo should emphasize the strengths of the art. Like how the rules of boxing emphasize punching to the point where there is simply no one better at punching. Taekwondo has somewhat lost that edge over the years. I'd like to see a rule style implemented that isolates kicking, but allows more targets and rewards damage in its scoring. All that being said, I do think it's nice that this creates better availability of full contact competition for traditional martial artists who wish to round out their skillset.
7:00 why these dudes look like they were forced to compete lol
No standing grappling or clinch but you can fight on the ground??
I see the Karate Combat inspiration so props for trying something new. But even KC seems to be more laxed with the styles of their fighters. So I don't know what the longevity of something like this.
taekwondo in America has been watered down but the taekwondo that I saw in China back in 2008 was very different. It contained elbows and knees for example
This league reminds me of karate combat, but for taekwondo
To be TKD, these fighters use a lot of punches. The only good kicker was the Mexican Flores.
Despite that, it's nice to see that TKD is changing in a more realistic way to fight.
This is interesting cause the TKD people just go to Karate Kombat but cool for them to have their own ring.
this looks like the OG kickboxing before kickboxers learned how to do leg kick from muay thai
Pretty sure the leg kicks came from kyokushin. Japanese kickboxing came later on, after Thai fighters put even kyokushin karateka on the ground.
Vincent meng is son of wing chun gm benny meng
Thats cool!
Nobody mentioned Vincent Meng has two world titles in Wing Chun also.
What's cool about Kombat TKD regardless of these fights is that the organization is actually a big development effort. They have an amateur league thing going for various levels including for kids, and it's all an attempt to really bring realism to the training and fighting. However successful or not, it's a way more noble, earnest, and ambitious attempt at contributing to the evolution of a style than Karate Combat, which at this point is just a dumpster fire
What about Hapkido?
Why hold the event in a cage if there is no grappling?
This looks more like Yongmudo(용무도) than Taekwondo
Standard Tae Kwon Do training and competition is very linear, so practitioners who have not trained in other arts tend to have very little idea of how to move in a free fight. The reason that they don't attack the legs, again, is that attacks below the waist are illegal in Tae Kwon Do. As obvious as it might seem, it is trained out of them because an attack below the waist is an immediate point against them. As a former Wing Chun practitioner now training Tae Kwon Do, I find it very difficult to refrain from attacking the legs and punching the head. Everything I am good at is illegal!
I wonder if they'd let a Karateka compete...
That would be awesome! Karate vs Taekwondo!
posted 18 sec ago :)
That means you’re first
You can thank Anderson Silva for that.
as a tkd practitioner myself, I really enjoyed this. Fights were interesting and commentary was geat
What TKD do I want to see?... I think its already there, it's just how it's implemented. I sparred with an Muay Thai guy for a tiny bit and didn't really try like that because he had a fight that weekend and ... Mmmm. You can tell that TKD is mocked over there. It's okay though. I'm not going to be giving doubt any benefits from now on.
As gentle giant as I am. Not wanting to hurt people.. It's really only for Police and Aikido..
To the Argentinian. I'd say, lateral movements.
Legs kicks aren't allowed in kombat tkd I believe
I dont like that they need to look like UFC to seem relevant, they should try being their own thing as karate combat done his own thing to become relevant. In my opinion they should go back to 80s TKD with vest and that stuff, it was kind of unique in its own way. Like a full contact WTF TKD.
or just do it ITF TKD's way lol
Not maung, meng like the meng dynasty.
All full contact striking ends up looking like kickboxing 😂
You could call it all kickboxing, but the styles are still different in terms of strategy and shot selection.
To the untrained eye, yes. But if you have actually watched combat sports or trained in them long enough you can pick up on stylistic characteristics.
@@Egg_of_the_King I kickboxed for 30 years :) wrestled for 4 years, jujitsu (Japanese) for 4 years
Saying it all looks like kickboxing is as cringe as saying all anime looks the same…
@@MrGavo1978 Then you should definitely know better.
Why, though? Isn’t taekwondo basically shotokan karate with rearranged kata and a different sparring rule set? How is that different from karate Kombat?
Karate kombat doesnt allow thigh kicks, i believe.
If they can build a watchable product/ruleset with willing competitors, it’s a combat sport worth having
For me, just another variation of sport fighting. Why? Slightly different rules dictate slightly different tactics.
Theres parts of this fight that look like fights i saw on the playground in grade school. There were flashes of better fighting. Cant say id watch a lot of this style of fighting.
I'd expect to see ITF heavily represented in these kinds of competitions, perhaps Tand Soo Do and others. Definitely not WTF.
Maybe some old school WT people will feel inspired to join
This is a rough watch, they look very low tier.
TKD guys can, and have got it done in kickboxing and MMA. They don't need this, they just need to train other stuff.
If you train taekwondo, once you get good at kicks, switch martial arts.
I like It but, is really not a renaissance or has nothing to do whit old tkd or wathever. Old tkd is Just like old karate, lots of forms and combined moves but little to none sparring. People think a 19th century karateka or any old tkd master would be better than a fighter from today, is absurd, they would look like those Kung Fu masters that got beatup in chine.