ICU Nurse Causes Fatal Collision After "Mental Break" | Nicole Linton Case Analysis
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- Опубліковано 31 сер 2022
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"Society is sick of excuses after horrific events and it has every right to be." Fifteen profound words from the good Doctor. Well said Dr. Grande! The point you made about people suffering from Mental Health disorder bearing some responsibility in maintaining compliance with treatment was well thought out.
Its a tough bit of medicine for sure, but Bipolar is more than just people getting a bit cranky, they can be outright dangerous to other people in some cases. For 6 others including an entire immediate family that was wiped out and that breaks anyone's heart to hear that. I know people don't like taking meds, (I take meds for depression) but its up to you to either keep on the program or if its not working you need to get that re-assessed to something working for you.
I think this is very true. As a 20+ year law enforcement officer, I often (several times a day many times) interact with the mentally ill. While often difficult and frustrating, the average (even severely) mental ill person I engage on the street knows right from wrong and usually does not engage in behavior that harms others. Most have no desire to harm anyone else, and even the people who say they do, know the personal and societal consequences that would involve, and they avoid doing so. I've also never met a severely mentally ill person who has raised their mental illness as a defense when they were arrested. Instead, they either 1) admit they committed the crime (for the same reasons a person without mental illness would commit that crime), 2) lie about their involvement (like many non-mentally ill suspects do), or 3) they express some consistent, but fantastically delusional explanation for why they had no choice but to commit the act they committed (which tends to prove their incompetence to stand trial). But the latter is the rarest by far. The vast majority who commit crimes that directly do harm to others (whether mentally ill or completely sane) know and eventually admit what they did was wrong and that they had control over their actions at the time.
I worked in the mental health industry for over 20 years, (locked mental health unit) and we have had many, many, stories like this and as soon as they get to being there, the team of doctors and professionals would always blame the wrong doing on the mental health part, never the behavior… so it was and still is a “revolving” door.
Leftists are way too quick to want to make excuses and give everyone seventeen chances (unless they are white men I guess?) Glad to see people finally starting to take a real stance on this and stop allowing people to skirt responsibility. If anything the crazies should get less chances not more. Why take a chance with mentally unstable loons? Their only three options, as I see it, are life in a facility, life at home under strict watch (tantanount to house arrest), or the death penalty. They have no sympathy for the school shooters who are debatable just as mentally ill as these others. The blatant double standards and hypocrisy continues to be at the forefront of american societal politics.
I think more needs to be done to help the lower income folks get mental health resources. Not even just for the homeless, but all of the people living paycheck to paycheck. She had every resource available. I take meds when I can afford them. When I can’t, I still have to function and live in a society. And follow the law. The meds make it much easier. That’s what really ticks me off about her. She had all the resources available.
How in the world was this woman flying under the radar for so long is beyond me.
she brack, in china we not even have a brack
Attractive women tend to fly under the radar.
And black people complain about having it bad…
Nurses get away with everything
Because she's Blk and Female . In today's Society, you can bring up issues at work (HR office ) about a Blk Female . You'll be labeled and you might lose your job, in the World of Wokism !!!.
It is especially terrifying that she was working as an icu nurse where one tiny mistake could end someone’s life
Fortunately She was just a technician , handing tools to the doctor and preparing the patients they’re not involved with any medical treatment.
@@Chris_Serrani ICU nurses administer medication to patients and they could make mistakes that could cause the death of a patient. I saw Nicole Linton listed as a nurse, not a technician. She should never be allowed to walk free in society again because she is too dangerous.
@@Chris_Serrani Yes, as an operating room technician.
If she was an ICU nurse, she's in charge of giving detailed medication and IV drips. VERY dangerous!
That 3rd party nursing company needs to be sued. I heard & read she had 13 accidents on her record!!
I hope all families sue her insurance company!! Sue the crap out of them!!
Greedy CEOs--both the companies that had anything to do with hiring a person this detached from reality & her insurance company create policies that are dangerous for regular Americans, like the victims in this accident. They look the other way when money is coming their way.
Greed. And the greedy rich get richer.
She already did that
Many years ago I was hit by a drunk driver (on my way home from my shift as an RN at the hospital no less). It was his 6th DUI. I discovered we had the same insurance company. When I met with the agent to discuss the extent of the damage to my car, I asked him why on earth they would insure such a person. He said, "Don't worry, we won't be from now on" and I thought, "Why? 7 was the limit? Hitting someone was the limit? And why?" To me, after a certian number of accidents/DUIs, you accept that someone is just too much of a liability. In my mind that would be way less than 6 or 7. But as Dr Grande says, money must talk. You can apparently try to buy your way out of being a deadly driver.
I drove buses for a time and accident prone drivers became 'uninsurable' and lost their jobs. Even then - to reach that stage they would have crash after crash and keep their job. The standard of driving was dangerously low - short of drivers didn't help. A junior doctor fell asleep at the wheel and drove into my parked car on his way home. At least in your crash the driver was caught and charged - and you survived.
Driving under the influence should result in a lifetime driving ban period.
Yep, Anyone with enough funds is safe to drive.
On the other hand it was found 92% of people with a suspended license in my home state had their license suspended for unpaid fines.
It’s truly baffling…
@@samnero387 I disagree with that I got a dui when I was in high school when I was young and dumb and thought I was invincible. But I learned from my mistake and Now even if I have one drink I don’t even drive. I think it should be 2 or 3 then you lose it for life.
ndividuals are allowed to purchase "assigned risk insurance" which MANDATES insurance carriers to provide coverage, but not to determine the cost. Believe me, if it were up to the insurers , they would NOT PROVIDE COVERAGE, but it has to do with the "rights" of a citizen. You can always get coverage, as the LAW REQUIRES that it be available to ALL CITIZENS. It is ridiculous, but out of the hands of the insurer. Talk to your state representatives or petition the law, you would be doing the insurance carriers a great benefit !!!
I wish people would stop calling this an "accident" and realise that she has to take responsibility for her own actions. Driving at that speed, on such a busy road was reckless, selfish and downright evil. She had no regard for others, and innocent lives were lost, and countless others ruined. Stop blaming others, and try putting the blame on the horrible person who did this.
Excuses of Mental illness were benefited by your kind. Hopefully Nicole gets hers too.
@@ashanyc9146 I don't understand what you mean?
But she's mentally unstable. She needs compassion
I agree 100%. There is no such thing as accidents in these scenarios. These horrific incidents should be called exactly what they are. Extremely poor choices.
Accidents could be when I’m walking in my kitchen and I hit my arm or foot on the chair or table. Even so; it’s pure negligence on my part and no one else’s (or nothing else) fault except my own. Which therefore is still not really an accident. I’m thinking accidents do not really exist. Just poor choices.
What she did was commendable. She’s a hero 😍
13 motor vehicle accidents...,??????? .this womans license should have been REVOKED A LONG TIME AGO....Horrific tragedy that was preventable....RIP AND Strength to ALL REMAINING FAMILY MEMBERS
Her attorney says that's not accurate, and she was not at fault in some of those. Do your research before you condemn.
Look at this perfect human being WOW, YOU'RE SO PERFECT! NO WAY..🤦♀️ stfu
I thoroughly agree, though unfortunately that doesn't always help. People prone to braking the laws would just drive anyway, without any license or insurance.
@@opal1367 she managed to murk 5 innocent folks, but in your mind it's still not her fault lol
@@opal1367 dont defend this monster. its a bad look.
Scary, a lot of other people like her are on the road and should not be driving
That’s part of the problem, she’s flushing out your i.v or monitoring your vitals during surgery to put a stent in your artery, that’s what makes it frightening!
@@enzowolfe2100 It's horrifying
@@enzowolfe2100 how many patients would she have left to die as well? That needs to be investigated
It doesn’t matter how prestigious your job title or duties entail everybody has a screw loose of some sort welcome to planet earth.
@@BB-mq9qk i disagree. everyone can get sad. not everyone will just loose it like this.
I like what you said in the end about despite all the mental issues it’s not an excuse to be selfish and irresponsible.
I absolutely agree, Dr Grande. As a person who has suffered severe depression, there was a time when I would go into such a deep depression that I would drive around looking for trees that would get the job done. I finally decided that wasn’t an option because I was afraid I would end up surviving but trapped in a broken body. I had several years that I was always on the verge of a meltdown. I voluntarily went to an ER and got myself transferred to a “treatment center” at a well known hospital in metro Atlanta. It was the worst experience of my life! Filthy, and the majority of the staff would not look at you or address you by name. As sick as I was, I wasn’t stupid. I talked myself out of that hell hole in less than 48 hours! I was intelligent enough to know what they wanted to see and hear, and I tailored my performance accordingly. When they discharged me, I seriously considered going back into the hospital thru the ER, taking the elevator to the top floor and making my way to the roof for a swan dive….but the transportation they arranged arrived, so I went home.
Three years later, I decided to kill myself at work by hanging, but I spent my lunch break hunting for the belt I had kept in my locker for years. Time ran out on me, and my lunch break ended, so I just went back to work. I made it through a rough afternoon to closing, and a supervisor reprimanded me for taking too long to assist a customer(in front of all my coworkers)! I had a total meltdown and told her I had spent my lunch break planning to kill myself and all she could do was bitch at me to humiliate me in front of all my coworkers???
Well, I realized that I could never go back to work there, so I started crying, and couldn’t stop. My husband tried to take me to the ER, but after the first time, I refused to go. I finally agreed to call a recommended hospital, and see if I could self admit. It was a completely different experience! I told the doctor that I wasn’t going to lie and say I was better when I wasn’t. He listened to me when I insisted that the medication I had been on did NOTHING for me, and we had to start from scratch. I was there about 2.5 weeks before I started to come out of the pit of hell that I had been living in. I have not had a severe depressive episode since, in spite of losing my husband, my child, and my dear friend within 5 years, and caring for my quadriplegic son on life support at home for 5 years before he died.
I cannot understand why a person would not take their meds when they knew they could not function without them! I do not EVER want to feel that way again…
I feel for you
Yessss
Amazing story! Wish you the best in the future! Take care. And keep that smile!
Wild. Sorry for your husband.
Thanks for sharing your heartfelt story.
Many people, like myself, have never found any meds that really help much, unfortunately. To make matters even worse some meds have TERRIBLE side effects. So we stop taking them, as it doesn't even make sense to continue taking something that only has a SERIOUS downside.
Many are then "forced" to self medicate with alcohol and/or illicit drugs in a desperate attempt at some relief.
You probably know most of this firsthand I'm guessing?
Wow, Dr. Grande, your final thoughts were so brilliant! This whole video was!
"Her victims were just minding their own business, going about their day, when they were struck by a five thousand pound missile. Nicole made her problems, into their problems." ♡♡
Hi Dr. Grande. On point analysis as always. I have family members who're bipolar & it seems like if she's a nurse, she would've been on the right meds. See you on your next video & wishing & praying for the families who lost their lives in this terrible tragedy. Peace & happier times hopefully await you, love, Janine Smiley😀🙂😎🤩😍☕🍩☕🥧🍉🍧🍨🍦🦄🦓🐼🐨🐾🍇🍒🍊🍌🍍🥝🥑🍎🥥🆒️💯❗❕🏡🚘
Wow, I'm never this early! I'm glad you are covering this case. From watching the video, she intentionally drove full speed into vehicles with no thought of the consequences. I am sympathetic toward her mental health history however I feel more for the people and the two babies, that died and the families left behind to pick up the pieces. Thank you for being frank with your conclusion. I feel that some people use mental health issues as a free pass for bad behaviours.
Yeah, to me she's no better than a mass shooter.
Me too! I’ve never been this early.
Well said
Those poor babies can u imagine....so awful
Yes thank Dr. Grande, I didn’t expect you to talk about this this soon but it’s gravitated my attention because honestly, that she’s also a nurse
I had s neighbor, an ER doctor w/ bi-polar. I was gone for a few days and came home to him cleaning a fish in the kitchen sink and obviously had used the bathroom. I had just spent days preparing the house to be a rental. I told him to go home and he became very angry. I was pretty scared. Years later a nurse practioner friend defended his behaviour as no big deal. I wonder if there's a thing about medical profession people defending their own.... like they can do no wrong.
It was like this in the military as well. First is the denial that someone is clearly struggling mentally then when it's finally acknowledged it's chalked up to PTSD, TBI, stress ect... but no action is followed. It's like they threw up the PTSD card and that makes everything they've done ok.
This isn't a "thing" in the profession. There may be some, but not all would do that. Patient safety is at stake.
I've noticed that with people working with uniforms especially (LEO, Firefighters, Medical health professional, dockers, etc.)
I have experienced this firsthand. No matter how egregious a nurse or doctors behavior may be, their colleagues will always come to their defense. It has caused me to lose respect for them.
Well look at it this way, he could have been in your kitchen with a pink thong and clothes pins on his nipples when you arrived. 🧷
Imagine this Nurse caring for you…sends shivers up my mind
No kidding!!!
I wouldn't be surprised is there's a full on investigation into any patients she may have had that died
To be honest, there are a lot of nurses who suffer from mental distress. The job is hard, there is a lack of staff and you have to work non stop. You can call yourself luck when you get time to sleep. My best friend is a neurology nurse and she had 12h shifts every day last week and was mentally not in a right place. That is why she came to my city to switch scenery. Don´t blame her, blame the health system, which doesn´t give a shit about their staff or their patients.
Imagine this person was caring for your sick wife. just damn.
@@MrsDaedalus_ I work in the Heath system also. I know how stressful it is. Of course I blame her. It starts with her. She made the decision to work as a nurse knowing how screwed up her brain is. No way this women should ever be allowed to work as a registered nurse.
She is responsible to stay on her meds.
Easy to say when you have never been on psychotropic medication. They can have terrible side effects, and that's just ONE issue.
@@alyssaheller7860 like Lithium or something?
She needed to be on a mental health institution, the system failed her
@@raenaldo I was on lithium & was fine. Monitored blood levels carefully. I would say like the heavy anti-psychotics - Risperidone, Seroquel, the injectable one in the “done” family - forgot the name.
@@alyssaheller7860 - of course they can have side effects, I don’t think anyone is disputing that. But still, at the end of the day, the patient is the person responsible for staying on their meds and/or continuing with their treatment, appointments, etc. Other people can encourage them but can’t force them to take meds or talk to counselors. So the responsibility ultimately lies with herself, no?
I wonder of all the non reported damage she done as a nurse.
Thanks! Dr. Grande, you said it all! " Society is sick of excuses after horrific events, and they have every right to be!"
Nicole’s sister believed Nicole(who has been hospitalized due to erratic behavior) is acting strangely, just to stress you out? The ignorance is astounding.
Listen do not try blaming this sister for this. Sisters are not mental health workers. Your ignorance is astounding because you think you know all about how this sister felt, simply because you listen to one video. Until you have to deal with someone like that, do not judge.
@@mspinkytee I really do not think that @Hallie VanOutryve was trying to "blame the sister." I think she merely noticed (& was pointing out) how bizarre the CONTENT of the conversation was b/w the sisters (w/Nicole stating that she was going to TX to get married, and telling her sister to "meet her at the alter," and so on). One COULD argue that Nicole's comments seemed SO abnormal that even a sister who was NOT close to her (and there's nothing wrong w/NOT being close to one's sisters, or siblings in general for that matter!) surely would have noticed that something was seriously wrong w/ Nicole. One need not be a mental health clinician to know when something is clearly awry and very wrong w/another person. It is common sense and awareness of one's surroundings that is key, not one's status as a mental health clinician.
I saw an interview w/ the sister and it sounds like she was just used to Nicole talking nonsense and so brushed aside what she was saying as insignificant (ie. she did think her comments were weird, but she was so used to Nicole's strange remarks that she just ignored them). Of course, nobody could have foreseen that 6 people would end up dead that day on 8/4/22. That said, I do feel like the mental health care system in the USA is severely lacking in many ways and leaves much to be desired. Nicole does not deserve to be in prison. It is clear she has serious mental disease or defect under the legal standards. She is sick. She did not act with malice and had no mens rea. A hospital is where she needs to be.
I am a certified counselor for addiction and its different when your in it personally. My brother had severe addiction issues and I couldn't for some reason deal with him like I would have dealt with a client. Its completely different when its personal, like her sister, she is not to blame whatsoever! My brother ended up shooting and killing himself, I've always felt I could or should have done more...lots of guilt. Its just so different when you're too close to the situation no matter how successful you've been with your clients.
@@debbieellis3425 addiction is such a bitch. Good for you for counseling, despite your loss.
Come on, sister saying the erratic behavior was just to trouble her sounds terrible. Of course the sister isn’t to blame. Dealing with people, especially family, that have personality disorders has to be exhausting; it just so happens that THIS time, when sister sorta disregarded erratic behavior and nonsense talk, it was the last time.
Nicole is at fault. When more people hear the story, it would be swell if ones that need help, or more help, get said help and that family and friends are able to be more accepting and supportive if possible.
Prayers for all that were lost and their families.
"Scarcity of apparel" cracked me up! What a tragic case. She truly needed help...
She Needs Jail Time. Long Jail Time!!!
@@mercedeselayda8230 That as well!
@@mercedeselayda8230 She needs life in prison without parole.
They should have took her license years ago
She needs a medal for what she did 😍💅
The video of this accident actually shocked me the first time I saw it. No one stood a chance in that crash. This is basically the car version of that Germanwings pilot Andreas Lubitz who committed suicide by flying a plan full of innocent people into a mountain killing everyone on board. I saw you covered that one a couple years back Dr. Grande. Love this channel.
Yikes. Yeah, Lubitz’s actions, like many of these murder suicides, are unbelievably awful. When the facts come out, it’s always us trying to understand how everyone missed it. Hindsight is cruel. Science and technology will keep improving to help us understand and mitigate events like these in the future…
I hope.
@@raenaldo Except the perpetrator got out FINE, barely anything happened to her! It was everyone else involved who didn't stand a chance.
Not to mention the pilot of MH370. Todd does a video of him, too--on the crash and its causes, that is.
What is it about pilots and using someone else’s plane to commit suicide and destroy someone else’s joy of flying.Pilots seem more selfcentered than the ship captians, train engineers, bus drivers etc.
Same! I kept thinking that there *had* to be some malfunction with her car, maybe her brakes weren't working or maybe she was on drugs, had a stroke or some other thing. I just couldn't believe that someone would intentionally drive right through a busy intersection like that when they could clearly see that there were cars crossing the road in front of them.
ICU nurse? Oh no. I am a nurse, we do not take psych exams, typically. There is a nursing shortage.
Same in Australia. There is no incentive to be a nurse so 'they' just take what they can get. Think of the burden placed on the other nurses!
I'm a registered nurse in Australia, i have four certificates, but I haven't done psych , only worked in one for a month. And so right about the shortages.
GREAT point!! There need to be assessments - for ANY job.
And nurses be CRAZY
Maybe she was burning out as a nurse. Stressful job
It’s Grande time. Omg. I live in LA and I am so glad you’re doing this heartbreaking case for us. What a tragedy. What a horrific accident. Thank you so much, Grande.
Everybody's going crazy nowadays.
This is my first time hearing about this case and I’m shocked!!! Just horrific. My thoughts are with those poor victims’ families 😢🙏
"accident"
Same southern Cali is becoming fucking Florida
If you’re doing 90+ mph in a city, it’s not an accident.
As someone with mental illness, I can say that people often go off meds because the meds, while making you stable, can also make you feel emotionally numb, can have horrible side effects, or the person thinks they are cured and don't feel they need their meds anymore. That being said, while on meds, she chose to go off them without seeking any professional help. Mental illness can make life truly awful. Our healthcare system fails so many people suffering from mental illness. It's not an easy topic to navigate. BUT, as I said, she chose to go off her meds without any supervision or guidance on alternative meds/treatment. She is responsible. What I can't fathom is how she still had a driver's license. We really need to do something about the system as far as reaching a point (earlier than it is now) of when someone should no longer be allowed access to drive. This is a tragedy all around.
Yes, mental illness is a very tough topic to navigate. That’s why our healthcare system and all systems have a hard time dealing with it. There are various degrees of mental Illness. 2 people may have the same diagnosis but one may be able to function in society and the other not. Should there be same restrictions/ solutions for both of them?
It is a tragedy all around.
Truth
It's true. I went of medication because I couldn't understand how my medication helped my symptoms and if you aren't convinced you have a problem....it's a bit hard to want to take drugs that you have to get regular blood tests for.
I'm a former nurse who was diagnosed with bipolar disorder. I stayed on my meds and functioned well for a number of years until I reached my early 50's, then I started slowly going downhill. I started having problems with memory loss and became more disorganized and scattered which is not good especially when you work in a hospital. Of course, my co-workers noticed until finally one of them took me aside and told me that I need to bite the bullet and apply for disability. I've been tested and was diagnosed with MCI [ Mild Cognitive Impairment ] Anyway I gave up a 34-year career because I was no longer safe to care for patients.
@@prettybullet7728 I'm so sorry you have gone through this. That must have been such a gut-wrenching experience to go through to come to the realization you are not safe to be caring for patients. I had several years I gave up driving and had my family lock all car keys away when not in use, so I couldn't drive against my better judgement for fear I'd hurt someone and myself. I'm so glad you had people looking out for you. I have a good support system as well.
30+ year (now retired) nurse here and I worked in a fairly rural area where you know virtually everyone.
Over the years I have known families or individuals who seem to have been dealt far too many tragedies ~ and it doesn't seem fair at all.
I've seen some of them who got through it amazingly well, while others struggled terribly, yet, there were others who simply could not overcome the struggle, stress, grief, etc. in order to keep living their lives.
I feel like NONE of them likely got the mental health help that they truly needed after going through the traumatic in incidents that they went through.
The medical community needs to do better when it comes to assessing the mental health needs of patients.
They need an "Every Patient/Every Time" program where the medical staff asks more direct questions versus questions like "Have you thought about harming yourself?" or "Have you felt blue?", etc.
They should ask a series of more direct questions like:
1. Have you had a death in your family or a friend since your last visit?
2. Have you been in a serious accident since
your last visit?
3. Have any of your children left home since your last visit?
4. Have you had a change in your relationship status since your last visit?
5. Have you changed jobs or moved since your last visit?
and the list goes on......
you get the drift.
By asking these questions you could possibly head off an episode of depression or other mental health issue before it gets too bad, causes a suicide attempt, or even worse.
These questions would cover some of the things that are considered the biggest stress-related issues in a person's life.
We have to get more proactive when it comes to mental health care!
We cannot simply wait to see if someone decides to go to the ER to seek out help, or rely upon friends and family members of a person to notice that they are struggling emotionally and try to talk them into getting help, and we definitely can no longer wait until another tragic incident happens that ends up in suicide AND/OR especially the injuries or deaths of completely innocent people!
As a country we desperately need more funding and availability of both outpatient and inpatient mental health care.
The powers that be in Washington seemingly think that it's absolutely fine to print off an absurd amount of money for everything else that you can think of.
Why not make it a priority to do whatever it takes to deal with mental health care???
I get so frustrated by our politician's lackadaisical approach to funding solutions to the mental health care crisis in this country!
They want to blame horrific crimes upon everything other than what they actually are caused by because they are more concerned about furthering their political agendas.
Well, I will quit my rant and get off of here, but I do appreciate your listening to what I had to say!
With gratitude,
Lisa M. ❤️
Her reckless behavior kills multiple innocent people in one fell swoop. Then instead of admitting her guilt and suffering the consequences, she wants to fight the charges against her!! What a truly selfish and sick woman! Thanks Dr Grande for your straightforward and enlightening analysis.
Im surprised she didn
t run from the police.
My Sister’s Dad was killed by this lady…he was walking minding his business when he was struck. Update: For those who think I’m lying his name is Craig pitchford.
😔 sorry for her loss
Pray for your sister 🙏
Oh my gosh, I’m so sorry 😢. She should have lost her license long before she killed these people.
💗
Didn’t see it in the video. Where was he
My best friend’s son was bipolar. He was often so troubled in adolescence and as he grew older, he was off and on his meds. When off, he was full of histrionic, aberrant behavior, more violent all the time. His mother always became the target of his outrage. When she was planning to quit her job and become her granddaughter’s nanny, her son tracked her down at the daughter’s house and flew into a rage about some matter. My friend got her daughter and baby out of the house immediately and her son then shot her in the head and took his own life. She was 57 and he was 32. When the grief counselor came to our workplace, he told me that bipolar males usually get worse with age and have the non-compliant attributes. I don’t know if that’s true, but it did help me cope with the murder/suicide. So tragic, as is this case. So many lives touched by one’s serious mental illness. What is the answer? Where do you start? Is there actually an answer?
It is well established that untreated BD tends to increase in severity. Both males and females tend to have significant difficulty complying with medication and treatment. However, in the last forty years the number of useful medications has multiplied. Practical treatment that are effective start with patient education on the illness, talk therapy, and social rhythm therapy.
This is why I don’t fault Kanye West because bipolar is a disability and he can’t help himself.
@@KB4QAA 👏🏽 I really think the talk therapy at the least on top of meds is necessary. I feel really good a lot of the time when I take my meds like clockwork, and I go to GREAT when I have a psychologist added in.
The VA here only gives me the psychiatrist tho. I gotta see about that. This is a reminder. Thanks.
it does get worse and is very hard to manage. not fun whatsoever. it can be done but you have to be disciplined.
@@BrendaGarcia-ty2ml true but one also knows right from wrong and thus one who does is responsible.
As a clinician and supervisor I was always firm in coaching supervisees to not avoid personality disorder diagnoses to be what I called "terminally nice," as the implications for treatment are so much different. I agree that this woman appeared to manifest hardcore bipolar symptoms. My understanding about personality disorders though, is that they're usually manifested earlier in life as part of personality structure development. I agree she manifested some symptoms, but likely did not meet criteria for borderline PD. Similarities with Anne Heche seem disturbing. Thanks for the video.
Agreed! I’m also a clinician in this rewarding but difficult profession. The ppl treating and surrounding her (sister) failed her tremendously!! Sad. My opinion is who the hell can say how much responsibility Nicole has in reality for her own actions. Clearly, frequent bouts of psychotic breaks were the cause.
@@lukewalker1051 in addition they deal with the frustration in not having a day into treatment of their family members with mental illness. They cannot force them into treatment, no one can unless they become a risk to themselves or others and usually it’s too late at that point. Family members are often distraught when dealing with this issue. They deserve understanding and support not blame.
@@esusanlq4413 as an ex wife of a mentally ill person, I just want to speak up on behalf of the sister. If you try to get help, they are often non compliant. If you take them to the ER, and they are not homicidal or suicidal- they let them go. Psychosis is not required for hospitalization. At some point you have to take care of your mental health and let go. This is an extremely horrific situation for the family, client and victims. Mental health Hospitals have been closed and Resouces are tight. At this point in time, medications are still a challenge in effectiveness and compliance. Prayers for all the hands caring for people with mental illness. I failed in this struggle.
I believe it is fair to question her family as they have sent personal testimonials to the judge advocating for her release to their care.
If they weren't taking care of her prior to now so that this tragedy might have been avoided, I have zero confidence that they should be entrusted to do so now.
I cared for a mentally ill family member who was undiagnosed and noncompliant with any intervention efforts to help her. There's nothing anyone can tell me about what family members endure in such situations. I don't like the family's attempt to create such a glowing profile of Nicole while not acknowledging whatsoever her crimes or displaying any empathy for the deceased or their survivors. Its all about Nicole. I was an honest advocate; I loved my family member but I never lied to cover for them. I'm not suggesting that Linton's family is lying and I understand they're trying to salvage her life but still...six people, including an infant and a full-term fetus, were destroyed by her actions. That debt must be paid, bipolar disorder or no bipolar disorder.
As a nurse and have been one for 20years I’ve seen this with some traveling nurses aka travelers. I’ve been a traveler which is a lonely job unless you’re getting out and living life. Now, in what land does she not get reported to the board of nursing? The public is in danger with her practicing. But at the same time people will report you because they’re mad or don’t like you. And the number of jobs and the number of states isn’t surprising for a travel nurse since contracts generally last 13 weeks. At the end of 13 weeks you can either renew if the hospital needs you and you like it there or you can move on to either home a perm job a vacation or another contact
I'm an RN/NP and I agree, how in the hell did she not get reported to the board for any of this?!?
Texas, apparently.
I did travel nursing for 4+ years...
It took years off my life.
I’m shocked she got through school.
There are always sooo many excuses after people are murdered. She didn’t care about anything but herself and now blaming all of these issues as if she’s not responsible. You deserve prison for a very long time
Death penalty
Yeah, unfortunately, she didn't have affluenza /s
Perp: "I was feeling this way and that way. I don't remember what happened. It's because of this..."
Judge: "Understood. So we're giving you 90 years in the klink. Next case!"
They will put her in a mental institution for a much shorter time than what she would do in a regular prison. Pretty sure of that.
@@linanicolia1363 No they won't. Most of the time, she is normal. She can take her meds behind bars with the other convicts.
Idc about her mental health. It’s her fault. Period. Take responsibility for your actions … This was preventable. She was competent enough to become a nurse, she should have been competent enough to drive safely.
Yes exactly 💯
I agree
Lmao " ..a scarcity of apparel.." You've got a way with words Dr. Grande!
That he has 😁🤣😋🤗
Yeah I had to think about that one too and then a lightbulb suddenly switched on. 😂
@@mjs5663 😁
it is important that people accept
and be held responsible
for their actions...
In California that's a problem for liberal politicians.
Not if they are not responsible for their actions, obviously. The problem is that we do not yet understand the mechanics of the brain. The concept that everyone has "free will" in equal measure is obviously incorrect. With the use of specific drugs any human can be effected to commit nearly any action. This process can also occur naturally in mental illness. Punishing someone without any recollection or free will is as pointless as sending a rockslide in jail for destroying a house.
(This is a general comment as I have no knowledge about this care besides this video)
@@GnosticAtheist interesting take. Any links to research regarding lack of free will? I know what you mean, not being facetious.
She should’ve been in a mental health institution long before she caused that collision, so many red flags were ignored 🚩
@@GnosticAtheist She is responsible for her actions. Even if she can't remember them. She needs to be held accountable, she's clearly a danger to herself and others.
Involved in 13 collisions. Driving her vehicle @ 90 mph. Nicole L & Ann Hesch?
Hopefully, someone can sue for not pulling her license a long time ago.
Thank you for your analysis, Dr. Grande. As a psychiatric nurse, I always enjoy your videos. As a traveling nurse, your insight about the Nicole Linton case has prompted me to explore our personality traits, our lifestyle, and our coping strategies.
This case made me physically ill thinking about it. Empathy taken too far. The sadness left in the wake of what she did is unimaginable. So so sad.
What empathy are you referring to?Your comment is not connected to any response. Bizarre statement alone. The obvious, is referring to empathy for the still alive victims, because I did don’t think the word empathy can be used with dead people. Maybe empathy for the dead people’s loved ones? Yes, me too.
@@allinaday9882 So you answered your own question.
@@bunberrier No she didn't.
@@allinaday9882 You have reading comprehension and context conceptualizing issues. Bun obviously meant empathy taken too far, meaning Nicole should have been punished harsher before this accident.
@@Cbd_7ohm Well I can see what I meant was not what I wrote, or at least not in a way that its clear to others. What I meant was thinking about this case caused me to stop doing the things I normally do for a few hours, and I felt a kind of grief and lllness. I thought of how massively important and profound it was when I first married and had my own children, and how just by chance those people had their loved ones taken away instead of me losing mine. And how I would have reacted to it. Just a coin toss. My empathy went too far, because it ruined part of my my day and that didnt help any of them affected by this, it was just a negative experience in my life far far away from them. But I like what you said too... possibly very accurate. Someone empathetic with her condition maybe could have stopped her from driving, and didnt.
_You know how it goes....._
Notification from Dr Grande _aaaaaaaaaand_ it's time to _immediately_ go to UA-cam! All else goes on the _"back burner"!_ 😆💻😅🎞🤣📱😂🖥🙃
OMG I so agree with your comments about the person with the pathology must also be responsible and stop hiding behind "I dont know, I dont remember, it's not my fault"... in her specific case, what shock me is as a nurse knowing surely well the importance of the medications she had been given, she nevertheless stopped it. This was a voluntarily decision and she obviously knew that she was playing with fire and acting irresponsibly.
I suffer from Bipolar disorder, and so far I have always made sure to see my Psy diligently and never forget my medications. Not only to prevent myself feel really in pain but also because I know I can be erratic and even mean if I dont take care of it... at least that's how I was many times before being diagnosed... of course I was a heavy drinker being the usual way out, and I also had to totally stop drinking or my medications would not be miracles... so yes, even if people with mental disorder often behave erratically out of control and are unable to even knowledge what they are doing, she was a functioning nurse, clearly not 24/7 under dangerous behaviours and enough of time in between to know she was seriously sick and need to be in a mental hospital to fix the best possible her condition... 5 innocent people died and they pay the price of her not taking care well enough of what was going on in herself. I am not condemning her for that as I know how difficult is the road to mental diseases, but she also destroyed her own life for being in jail for life.
PS: I am shocked, although I understand the US is a huge country unlike like mine, Singapore) but how come people in the medical field dont have records following them wherever they work as a guarantee that they are not changing constantly of jobs for very risky/dangerous reasons, and investigated why the apply for the specific job like most big companies do... it's scary for the patients
Because people in US love to sue for discrimination among other things. Companies and institutions don’t want to be sued. They find ways of getting rid of problem employees without getting sued. It’s all about liability.
6:52 no one should be allowed to drive if they've been involved in 13 collisions! the system is BROKEN.
Elderly people shouldn't be allowed to drive, either.
My neighbor would go off her meds and always crash her car and total it. Her dad always replaced it. She was picked up every few months on a Kendra warrant for not taking her meds. Yet, her dad always thought it was a good idea to purchase her a new car all the time. No one in NY, thought to pull her license.
@@Ladysolitude24 so irresponsible.. i don't understand why the father would do that.
Thank you for doing a video on this very sad situation. My heart goes out to the families of those killed. She should never have been behind a wheel given her history of dangerous driving! Love your vidoes!
Yes!!! I'm diagnosed with a serious mental illness and it's my responsibility to seek treatment and function the best I can in society. The problem with bipolar and similar disorders is that non compliance is very common. It could be considered one of the symptoms. There isn't a medication for what I have, but therapy has been fantastic.
This is such a tragedy. Travel medical staff can sometimes utilize frequent moves to limit the scrutiny of problems ( drugs, mental health, personality disorders) a permanent position would hopefully catch.
The pandemic has only worsened the problem.
@@Truckngirl I believe you're right. With such a shortage of health care providers it's easy for someone with issues to get placed. It is such a danger. A healthy functioning person is undergoing immense pressure & stress of working conditions & pandemic related stressors. For someone with an underlying problem and those extreme conditions on top of it it a pressure cooker waiting to explode imo. It's so tragic.
I have never once heard anyone on the unit mention anything about personality disorders in earnest only pop psych narcissism or psychopathy. I doubt that most people would notice such things or even consider them. There only needs be a warm body not killing people and it's a non-issue. Unfortunately this is what I've seen, even with people who are rather antagonistic and also those who are consistently laissez-faire, even considering constant staffing shortages.
Sadly, it's the same with some police officers out there. They get cited, resign and move on to another police department.
They make things really difficult for LEOs that are genuinely trying to serve and protect. They just destroy people's trust in the honest LEOs. I hate it.
@@LINKINPARK262 Yes. Moving problem officers is scary.
@@frankG335 true. Sadly.
It's also could be that Hospital Staffers were reluctant to report odd behavior, due to being labeled as Bias , No one likes being called a sexist or a racist, so they kept their opinions about issues to themselves.
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Yup.
True
👍 Exactly what my opinion is. 🎯 🎯 🎯 🎯
Spot on
How the hell do you keep your drivers license and job as a nurse with such a long history of a troubling mental disorder, interpersonal conflicts, and multiple run-ins with authority? The red flags were all there!
Because...California
Seriously. Scary.
@@mcfrisko834 right! I'll stay in Texas thank you.
@@mcfrisko834 yeah, because this kind of thing NEVER happens in any other state in the nation… you know she was literally a traveling nurse right? She was employed in multiple states.
@@mcfrisko834 i don’t think there’s any law in any state that prevents people with this behavior to not drive or have a nursing job, I’m sorry cali lives inside your little head.
Another example of our broken mental health system. Our system is like a revolving door. Patients never stay long enough to get the help they need. While in the hospital there are few programs that can help. This accident should never have happened. Thanks for all you do to shed light on these issues. You are a master teacher.
That's right. We are now seeing the impact of what I have seen happening over the last 30 years. A complete lack of programs and qualified staff in our mental health system.
Cant help people who don't want help.
Oh Dr. Grande I could not wait for your analysis on this case!!This is an absolutely awful tragedy but I can’t help but question her refusal to take her medication responsibly and consistently to manage her mental health, especially knowing that she is a health care professional. As a professional she was stable and in a state of coherence often around doctors, nurses and troubled patients, so I find it hard to believe she didn’t recognize that she needed to seek more intensive treatment for her mental health episodes despite the lack of complaints from her coworkers. I sympathize with people who suffer from mental health disorders but I agree 100% with my man, the boss, the G.O.A.T., Dr. Grande. She had a multitude of opportunities to step away from her career and invest in a stable treatment program from a reputable therapist who could properly diagnose and treat her. Instead she selfishly ignored her symptoms and episodes which culminated in her taking and ruining so many innocent lives and and a life not yet lived. I’d argue mental health if I was her defense attorney but I can’t wait to hear the excuses for her not taking responsibility for her own mental health.
Thank you again Dr. Grande. You’re the greatest!🤗
Meds and current mental health treatment is not a panacea. That's what we as a society do not see. They don't always fix the problem, and it's time we acknowledged that!
@@opal1367 I agree but I was not trying to place the blame solely on her not consistently taking her medication. I too suffer from my own mental health issues caused by a traumatic sexual assault and it took many years of counseling and and I went through a number of psychiatrists who took the time and energy to understand my entire life history, diagnose me correctly, and determine the the medications that would treat (not cure) my diagnoses. I’m the last person to claim that one therapist, one diagnosis, and one kind of prescription is going to “fix” or even improve someone struggling with mental health issues..especially if they’re unaware of what they may be.
(Little anecdote: I was living with my bf at the time who works nights and I fell asleep before I took my nightly medication. I ended up walking down our street in just a T-shirt, panties and no shoes…knocking on doors bc I had no idea where I was. I had had a seizure was completely incoherent and didn’t even know my name).
It’s merely my opinion that she and her family knew that something was wrong and if her behavior was becoming more erratic, unstable or just subtly different, she should have recognized a change in her thoughts, especially if she was not taking her medication because a medical professional knows that especially psychiatric drugs can have adverse effects on brain chemistry.
I hate to bring race into this but this woman has been through A LOT and we only know a small fraction of her struggles. I love to see strong, independent black women who break down societal barriers and become beyond successful. This is a true tragedy, just heartbreaking but I believe she should’ve taken the responsibility to ensure her mental health came first to ensure she would not be a danger to herself, her patients, and other innocents.
I hope I was able to clarify to you Opal ma’am that I’m not what’s wrong with society when it comes to mental health and that popping pills is a cure all. I empathize, sympathize and believe our government doesn’t fully understand the complexities of mental illness. Thank you for your reply though and taking the time to read my comment. Peace and happiness to you madam.
Kindest Regards,
Laura
This is by far the best take I've heard on this case. Clear, concise, and focused. Great work as always!
(Edit: spelling)
Why did you have to justify your “edit?” I’m truly curious. It’s something I’ve not seen before.
@@chiccavaquita Lots of people do it on Reddit. Force of habit I guess lol.
I don't know how you spelled it the first time, but swap the s and c around.
concise
I don't usually correct spelling, but I just wanted to help you out.
@@beautifulblacksoul8611 Oh my god I spelled it wrong twice lmao someone take away my diploma
The kind of clubs that involve a scarcity of apparel.
You are such a hoot Dr.!
If I killed that many people bc I was reckless and speeding I wouldn't be able to live with myself. I would want to die. When I saw her crying during the hearing it looked like she was crying for herself. This woman needs to be locked up. I'm sure she'd rather go to a mental hospital than any prison and this is the goal of her lawyer.
She may want that, but in reality, mental hospitals are often far worse places to be stuck inside than prisons. Plus, if you get sentenced criminally, you get a set sentence where at least you know what to expect (timewise). When a person is found not guilty by reason of insanity, the sentence is indeterminate (meaning they can confine you indefinitely - or until such a time you are deemed no longer a danger to society). All the while, you'll be locked up with completely psychotic patients receiving little to no care who are a lot more disturbed and disturbing than your average state prison inmate.
How are you able to tell if someone is crying for themselves or for feeling guilty for how their actions hurt others? I'm not defending this woman. She was a nurse and she knew she needed to stay on her meds. I don't know if I think she needs prison or a mental health facility. I just know I am bothered by the idea that someone can tell if a total stranger in a youtube video is crying for the "right reasons"
Mental hospitals are probably some of the WORST, most miserable places on Earth! Hell on Earth for the ones who are actually sick... even worse for those who fake it because they think it would be better than prison. If this is her angle - she will regret it dearly.
@@Throatzillaaa When did she start crying? When she was told she wasn't getting a bail she could afford. She requested a 300K bail instead of the 12 M. If I'm wrong please feel free to direct me to where she was crying when told what she did. She claims no recollection of the crash so that may be the reason she feels no empathy for killing 6 ppl. It's not her fault in her mind. You may buy that but I don't. This wasn't her first rodeo.
Yes, you wouldn't be able to live with yourself *and* you'd be crying for yourself. Not necessarily over criminal penalties, but over shame. What you may not realize, however, is just quickly you'd adapt. You'd either adapt or you'd dissociate from the event, as she appears to be doing.
It takes a very special person, unlikely to be you, to not lower their standards to accommodate their status. It requires deliberate effort to avoid this, and your cocksuredness indicates your ego would not allow you to make such an effort.
I hate that everything is so reactive. My ex husband started showing symptoms and was diagnosed with schizoaffective behavior.
I had been with him for almost 10 years when his symptoms started and the end was a spiral. Before that, things were relatively normal. After, he had an alternative personality - his name spelled backwards - that was evil. He told me it was his evil version. He once told me that he killed three people while speaking French. (He barely spoke French - I had to use Google translate). I called the police and no one had been killed in our area. Mania - felt like he was taking over the world. Pacing, talking fast, stayed up all night staring at his toes, literally. Try to get someone like that to take consistent medication, if they don’t want to. I have ADHD and I sometimes forget my medicine sometimes. He actually was very compliant with medication when not manic or depressive. But medicine isn’t a magic wand and it can be very difficult to find the right combination. He didn’t always remember what he did. We had to do a psych hold. I finally left after it was too dangerous to stay. He was homeless for years and now he’s doing better, but I’m sure it could happen again.
All that to say, I think she’s dangerous and should be held accountable. But, I don’t think you can blame someone for not being medication compliant. Once a symptom hits, sometimes it hits hard enough so that the person won’t comply.
It reminds me of someone with dementia who can’t remember to take their medicine, so they need a helper to remind them each day. We don’t have medicine to guarantee they will remember and we don’t hold it against them if they forget.
The symptoms of mania and depression can also lead to being non compliant. But people who desperately need that consistency can’t always afford a helper to remind them. They need support, but can’t always get it.
My .02. It’s. A horrible sad situation I hate mental health stuff. I was depressed during the pandemic lockdown for the first time. Except for sometimes saying a rude or hurtful thing when completely work down, I didn’t lose my decision making power. But seeing my ex husband, I do believe he did.
He shared custody with my kids (court ordered and good for the kids), but I have them in Krav Maga. I believe he could try to kill them or me one day. But there is nothing that can be done about it. He got a forensic psych eval and they recommended no custody and he still got it from the judge…… the system needs a lot of help.
Great evaluation of the Linton case. Liked your conclusion that, no matter what, the patient is responsible for the maintenance of their treatment over time. The six innocents who were killed require justice as do the heartbroken families left to grieve.
Personality disorders can't be used as an excuse for everything. If anything those who have a diagnosis and receive treatment are often more aware and conscious of their disorder and it's potential for harm
I love that you have both compassion and demand responsibility from people with these disorders. I have a relative who seems to actually take pride in her many, many diagnoses and multiple (27 last I knew) medications. She doctor hops and harasses them for each diagnosis and more/continuing meds. She takes responsibility for nothing that happens in her life. Her two daughters have suffered and tried over and over but have very little to do with her at this point. She’s now in her 70’s and has used and manipulated people her entire life.
I appreciate this fact-based professional analysis twice as much, knowing that Dr. Grande is also a victim of automobile accident and there are no personal feelings involved from his side.
This is one of the worst accidents we have ever experienced in Los Angeles. I work on Slauson and grew up around this area. This is truly sad on all sides especially the families who lost love ones. I am still waiting for more evidence to come out on why she did this. Mental health to me is not enough to cause this horrendous accident.
90mp/h in a city... You call that an "accident"? That's like if I would use the local park as a shooting range and when someone catches a bullet I call it an accident. Or if I would let my newborn unsupervised on the balcony and then call his deadly fall down an "accident".
I’d ask that you read up more on uncontrolled bipolar disorder and specifically manic episodes. Also about psychiatric breaks during manic episodes.
@@PagingDrMakeUp agreed!!’
@@PagingDrMakeUp why is the state of California not being held responsible for this.
I am an RN in Texas as the subject of this video. I've worked through COVID in a very abusive environment and have a dx of CPTSD that I never even knew was a dx until I was diagnosed by a psychologist. I do not nor have I ever experienced sxs as severe or even close to what Nicole experienced.
I will say that COVID was a high level sh"t show here and still is. I'm now waiting on EEG. Results to determine if I have MS or not after my health took a nose dive when I got COVID myself.
Here's how this is related: my mental health has never been a problem for me at work or otherwise. I am now so fragile and have become stronger over the last year but still will become hysterical for seemingly no reason out of nowhere.
I've BEGGED for help at work and been ignored or pumished for it. I don't know if Nicole asked for help. But I know that our profession is not accomodating or caring nor do they acknowledge the need for mental healthcare for us when it comes to our mental health even when we're proactive about it. at least not here. At least not during a pandemic.
Take time to heal. Alot of Healthcare workers have had to step back (less hours, take less acute job, leave profession) from their roles. If you have to pay (for and prioritize) your own mental health so be it. Apply for FMLA-self, workers compensation (for stress), stress leave, as needed if your employer allows it. God Bless
I’m so sorry you’re experiencing this. I don’t think it helps much, but it seems that this complete looking the other way in regards to mental health problems happens absolutely everywhere.
They try to shame you or guilt you or accuse you of malingering. They tell you to “push through” when you’re suicidal. It’s madness. Then everyone wants to scratch their head when someone commits mass murder.
The state of mental healthcare in first world countries is appalling. It’s utterly, incredibly, ridiculously appalling.
There’s nowhere to go for help unless you’re incredibly wealthy. The rest of us are left to suffer.
You be a firm advocate for yourself. Be the bossy best friend you need who demands you get well. Your health takes top priority and don’t let your job or your family make you feel like you’re “selfish” for being unable to cope. You know your limits. Honor them. It is ok to have reduced limits! Your body is telling you it needs a break and you deserve to heal. Hang in there. God bless you with love on your journey to heal ❤️
She is responsible for her actions.
She was helped numerous times but would stop complying with her doctor’s orders regarding taking her medications. The accidents where she literally choose to stay stopped with her foot hard on her brakes after the light turned green, she had no one behind her but she knew that vehicles were approaching but she waited for them to slam into her. Twice and I wonder then if she thought she could kill herself that way, she got lucky everyone else was buckled in and no small children were in either vehicle. That’s a dangerous stunt but she learned those weren’t enough, so on that tragic day she literally turned her well made (much stronger built than the cars she hit) Mercedes into a 4 to 5 thousand pound missile just as Dr. Grande stated. The video shows she made no effort to stop and even other cameras from stores before the one we’ve seen were gathered for evidence and they’ve calculated she hit the accelerator and that demonstrates she was going to take her issues and pain out on innocent people not caring about the life’s of even children or babies. The doctor also is correct that in severe crashes you often don’t remember 10 to 15 seconds of what happened right before even when you were the one completely at fault. Dr. Grande put it so eloquently and precisely that we can’t as a society allow such horrible acts to be forgiven, justice is absolutely demanded for all the innocent victims. We can be understanding regarding her issues but we have to hold the guilty party at fault for their negligence. It’s like saying those innocent victims lives meant nothing and don’t matter to us as a society if we allow people to use excuses to explain away horrendous behavior.
@@pacs0508 never said she wasn't, just giving some extra perspective.
One of my sisters was diagnosed with comorbid bipolar disorder and BPD. It’s a difficult combination to manage. Thankfully the only person she ever hurt was herself. Oddly, she was also a nurse, and worked as part of a trauma team for over twenty years before becoming a travel nurse. She loved the opportunity to travel around the country. It could be stressful, but she seemed to thrive best under stress.
This is such a sad case. I can’t help but feel sympathy for everyone involved, including Nicole and her family.
This is so tragic. I’m glad your sister managed to make a life for herself.
I hope your sister is doing well.
@@shawnnewell4541 She passed away a few years ago from metastatic breast cancer, sadly.
@@herbwitch5681 I'm sorry to hear that, sounds like she had a pretty rough go of life all the way around. My condolences to you.
@@MedusasFeelinSalty A tough life, maybe. But Mary was also the strongest woman I’ve ever known, and massively fun to be around. She took no BS from anyone and no one ever dared use the words “you can’t” in her presence. As a single mother she worked weekends- two doubles and a single - so she could be home to take her daughter to school and be there when she got home. She loved her nieces and grandson fiercely, and she lived to see him graduate HS. When my daughter was playing softball games, Mary would break out into a ululation that she called a Cherokee war cry that would have the other team casting worried glances.
I hope she gets the full 90 years.
Bless the families who lost loved ones that fateful day - what a tragic story
This woman really is a menace to society.
Agreed! I hope she loses her driver’s license!
Mentally ill disabled people are a menace?
A dismissive cold statement lacking empathy for the patient.
@@allinaday9882 she really is, lets just call it how it is and stop making excuses. She is fully responsible for the tragedy. Enough of this BS narrative. She doesn’t deserve any empathy.
Nicole needed to be an institution getting help. Not in a hospital ward or on the streets driving. Too late for five families now.
Excellent analysis
I thought they did extensive background checks when working in the medical field?? You work in the medical field but won’t take your meds? It just doesn’t make sense to me.
Healthcare workers are the worst patients
Ever since the pandemic, the medical industry has been spread quite thin and are desperate for any one they can get
I work in the medical field. No extensive background checks are done. And soooo many nurses are on drugs. It’s crazy.
@@krissykatportal 100%
Extensive background checks????? That’s pretty funny.There are no background checks in the medical and human service fields.
So shocking that others died and she came out of that horrible accident ok. Like final destination. So sad for all parties.
It’s mind blowing that she only came out of this with 2 broken limbs.
@@LeeDee5 SUVs at head on collisions are generally much safer than being on the receiving end of a t-bone. The side of a car is more dangerous/higher fatality rate than simply plowing through head on.
If you are in a Mercedes your chances are much better
It was also shocking that the baby was ejected from the car seat and vehicle. I would have expected a rear facing and possible latch system to be more protective unless other it was not installed properly.
i'm always amazed by those who can lead themselves and are able to create a life (ie: have multiple careers, highly motivated), but can't manage their mental health. i'm really struggling to create a life, but i don't have major mental health issues.
Well is that cos you managed your mental health - or is it just chance?
(Fly to live, live to fly)
@@eadweard. luck.
I diagnosed a patient with borderline personality disorder and she complained to the state medical commission. She easily met 7 criteria so I'm confident I will be vindicated in the next few months. Ah fun times, spending a whole weekend composing my response letter.
Good luck
She sounds psychotic and deliberate. I would hope someone looks into the ppl she was a nurse to. I'd bet there is some sketchy dirt there, as well.
Awake or half asleep, we’re glad Dr Grande has the best late night lineups !
When I was diagnosed with hhv-6 and had severe issues with motorics, doctor used to say me: "its gonna be fine soon, you can go job"... Then I always replied, that I AM A CHEMIST, and surrounded with OTHER PPL in the lab, mostly students I supervise. I cannot put their and my own health and life at such a risk! What if smth explodes due to my shaky hands?! What if someone get a huge dose of X-Ray if I didn't close the facility properly?!
I will not excuse myself... I cannot imagine, how its like to realize this type of things when someone has MH issues. Maybe they simply cannot get it... So sad...
Thank you, Dr. Grand for your analysis
Heyyyy Dr. Grande🤗 Thank you for the new video. I must admit, I was quite shocked when I heard about this when it happened. I live in Houston, so that made my eyes widen a bit more. I hope you're having a great night💞
OMG. Concerning!
Frightening to think she was caring for ICU patients
Thanks for educating us more about Bipolar Disorder and Borderline Personality Disorder, Dr. Grande.
After I learned about my ex-girlfriend having both health symptoms in 2020, your channel was the first place where I really soaked up knowledge about these disorders and 2 years later I find myself still learning and finding out even more. Thank you so much!
This case is a major tragedy for all involved, especially the crash victims. RIP.
People like this are why I hate driving at all. You can be the most careful driver and all it takes is one idiot on the road to ruin (or end) your life in a split second.
That crash was unbelievable. Some people lived by just being a foot or 2 farther into the intersection and unfortunately others were instantly killed. The cars were immediately on fire.
Watching that crash changed how I drive. I've seen others and even compilations, and I've been in a bad crash, but that one was beyond what we normally see.
I hope she spends decades in prison for killing 6 people.
Very little sympathy from me
I know right. Life is so hard to understand. She barely had any real injuries and yet there was a ball of fire she left in her wake along with deaths. Talk about Mind f&$k
Keep you head on a swivel. Always check intersections when driving through even if it's a green light
I hope she spends decades in a mental health facility. The streets aren’t safe with her in them.
@@brianm7109 You are fooling yourself if you believe your advice would help when a Mercedes is running red lights at 90 miles an hour.
@@allinaday9882 Lol I didn't say it would make you invincible.. just a little common sense tip that a lot of people aren't smart enough to think about
That was a sad and tragic story. Thank you Dr Grande. Brilliant analysis and tragic outcome and informative topic Thank you once again Dr Grande, you are the best.
Man I love you content Dr.Grande!
The subtle 1 liners are underrated in all your videos Dr.G
Thank you for that final conclusion. I have watched a friend of mine escape consequences. My friend KNOWS she has medical requirements and needs, but she ignores them. I cannot believe she has not caused a situation such as this..yet. It hangs over all our heads as she escapes responsibility, time and time again.
This is so tragic. I live 5 minutes from where all this tragedy happened. We need to start taking care of our loved ones and their mental health. Horrible accident that potentially could have been prevented.
Stay safe out there.
One of the things I didn't like when I was first diagnosed with bipolar 1 was dealing with the temptation to think I didn't need my meds once I started to feel better. The only reason I didn't stop taking my meds is I that I was told if I stopped my hallucinations might come back. I hated those hallucinations because I found it hard to function with them.
I feel you. It’s a tough cycle to break. Ugh.
@@raenaldo how many of these cases are demonic possession 🤔😳?
@@chelongogan3904 what an ignorant comment.
@@chelongogan3904 zero
When brains brake we need to pay atention...😥
Brilliant analysis as always. Thank you Dr Grande, tragic outcome and informative topic. Dr Grande you are the best.
Everyone may have mental illness, or breaks, and profession doesn't mean people are immune. I've known a few nurses who have bipolar disorder, and some who have BPD diagnosed. It's extremely important to keep on a medication regimen, and at least the nurses I knew who did have bipolar were very adamant about adhering to medication and lifestyle to prevent a break, as they would be unable to practice otherwise. The ADA does not forbid people with mental health conditions from practicing nursing, and psych evaluations are not conducted on would-be nurses. That said, no one I knew had a history like this lady. The BPD nurse I knew was a horrible person and a horrible nurse, but that is one and the examples here aren't meant to generalize. Either way, the point is, anyone of any profession (but especially things like nursing) need to adhere to treatment. If they don't, they still have to bear consequences for their actions. Most people have some sort of mental thing going on, but most people don't hurt others, including those who work in the health sector. I'm glad she won't be working now, but I'm still perplexed over how she was able to go this long without being monitored by the Board or so, but being a traveler I suppose she could find loopholes.
Formidable analysis , perspectives and perceptions..your thoughts are deeply insightful..I have a son who went through all these stages of different mental.disturbances and was wrongly diagnosed by the most emotional entire institutions...I.have deeply appreciated your presentation and the highly informed words and sentences ypu have used..plz keep.ypur good and needed work
Salutaire pour la comprehension de la condition et tragedy humaine
Thank you Dr. Grande. I enjoy listening to you. I admire how calm you are and also really like your sence of humor.
This case haunted me. I’m so appreciative that YOU covered it. Your last point provided me with moral clarity. You are a treasure.
I know several people who are traveling nurses….they change locations every 3 or 4 months. Even if colleagues didn’t see a pattern, family certainly did. I hope her mental diagnosis does not get her off. Six people are dead. The insurance company could have some culpability here as well. She clearly should not have been driving…and the thought of her tending to me as a hospital patient…. Scary 😧 I would not be surprised her employer is also sued…should their mental health as well a nursing skills be evaluated ?
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Very good to see you.
I always look forward to a fascinating ending to my day listening and learning from you.
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Hi Dr. Grande! I will never tire of your analysis of cases. You are always so precise and fair with your final thought as well as your analysis! You need your own talk show!!
Great analysis Doc. 👍
_Just all around a sad life & story._
Thank you for this episode! I agree 100%.
Wow. How did this women get a job working with the most vulnerable??
Most state nursing boards disallow nurses with uncontrolled psychiatric disorders from practicing. With multiple felonies with a very active mental health disorder, she will likely lose her licence.
One time I went thru a stop sign where no other cars were around on farm roads here in idaho. although I slowed down a bit just a little too late because my mind and thots and music and my kids screaming in the car kinda made me space out for a split second. We have all done this possibly. But 90 miles per hour when u already see ahead of u a full intersection with cars in the middle of that intersection with a red light like… there was was absolutely no way she can blame this on her mental state. Even driving on the freeway 90 mph is faster than the limit. This is a typical Southern California road coming up to an intersection. Her “accidentally speeding” should have been tops like 45/50 but 90mph !!!???? Makes no sense to me. Those poor people and babies who died had no chance because crazy here with a history of bad driving… so sad she had a drivers liscense
Was she attempting suicide? Amazing she lived. Was she even injured at all?
@@jackiec9285 broken wrist and ankle/foot
She is a interesting individual. I feel sorry for the innocent ppl and their families who she harmed in the accident. She deserves to be held accountable!
I had a friend in college who almost died in a collision with a head nurse of a local hospital.. who ironically enough did “safe driving” seminars (nurse was passing on a double solid line). Tried to get out of it with every claim in the book. When others are harmed, you take accountability no matter what your current state is.
Very good. The explanation of the consequences of misdiagnosis or lack of diagnosis was helpful.
I have BPD and have never hurt anyone….wanted to a few times.
Trauma does wipe memories... I forgot I got married
Dr Grande the constant content is amazing, we can always count on you!!
A tragic story this early morning…appreciate your thoughtful analysis Dr. G.