I think this number 311 wH/km is quite reliable. Nextmove got 313 in German autobahn 120 km/h test, so we can confidently say over 310 wH/km for most people who use highways. Pretty high.
The frequency weighing on the SPL meter would result in vastly different readings. I would not use weighing if possible, use the dBZ, or if not available the dBC mode. dBA cuts down too much on the low (road rumble) and high (motor/electronics whine) frequencies that would be present in the car and affect comfort. However since Bjørn has been using dBA perhaps it is better to leave it as is to keep the results consistent.
If you have the car, could you check the software version of battery management? Version 15.2 is the one that's supposed to enable the 100kW. charging. Mine's 14.2 and most of the people I believe is also on 14.2
@Douglas Hamner I saw some rumour of version 19A for the infotaiment system, I checked with my dealer, the latest Campaign for my car is still 18D. There's also mixed information on the internet on whether SOTA is already enabled. We can only wait unfortunately.
Last summer you also had pre-production software. I wonder if that has any effect on the results. I'm still hoping Jaguar can improve efficiency through software updates
There is a lot of confusion around the latest SW. Jaguar issued on 20.02.19 a Service Action Number H159V4 this ref. has been quoted on many forums and you could confuse it with a SW version number. This Service action is en titled Software Over The Air (SOTA) Readiness and 100kW Charging Update. Apart for OTA support it states: "The customer benefit of this update is improved charge times from 0-50% State-of-Charge (SoC) where it is possible to charge using a DC source with capacity 100kW and greater, and will reduce the 0-80% SoC time by up to 15%." So "Decrease" in charging effect after 50% that we see in the Video is not solved with this update. I received this update back in November and have been told my VIN is not affected, however, I charged at Ionity in Stromstad on the 20th temp +6C and had driven non stop from Oslo at around the speed limit 100/110Km. SOC% was 55% when I started and although it was showing 400-416V max amp when I started was only 106 and effekt 43kW/h. After 21 mins when I stopped charging SOC% was 70% Volts 423 and Amps was down to 83 charge rate was now 35kW. In 21 mins car sucked in 14.325kW. I charged again at Vinterbro on the way home (ABB 175kW Charger) SOC start was 31% outside temp +7C After 5 mins calculated effect I was sucking in was 75kW/h SOC% 34% at around 50% it started to drop and at SOC 71% it had dropped to 54kW/h. Total time to charge was 31 mins and car received 34.7Kw. As an example of kWh/100Km I drove from west side of Oslo to the Ionity charging station South of Strømstad in Sweden. 142km in 1h 37mins average speed of 91km/h and energy consumption was 25kWh/100km. In November last year same trip 24.40kWh/100km similar conditions and also dry roads. I have the same winter wheels and tyres Bjørn has on the car he is testing and they were fitted when I drove to Stømstad in November. I am trying to get the SW for this fix installed again as I have never seen an effect of > 75kW from the high speed chargers I have tried. Finally I have version 14.2 installed, Bjørn what telematics version did your press car have?
CCS 1.0 only support 200 A, CCS 2.0 supports up to 500 A. I bet the I PACE has the 1.0 Socket, since it can’t really benefit much from the 500 A socket, which may also require 500 A power cables in the car. It tapered down below 200A at 50% anyway so after that it’s useless to have the 2.0 hardware. The I PACE seems to be at home on a 50 kw charger with its higher battery voltage. Especially helpful in places where you pay by the minute based on the chargers max power. But you still have the option to charge at 200A up to 50% to get to your destination and slow charge.
Nope, it's CCS2 and able to charge at 100kW, just look at serveral YT videos likes this: ua-cam.com/video/IgtJ6_6GrUw/v-deo.html. Jaguar limited it to 100kWprobably to still have an acceptable C-rate for the battery they chose, to give good longevity. Just like Tesla limits their cars to about 95kW (like Optimus prime) after a few hunderd SuC sessions.
Karen Pease, I haven’t seen anyone getting over 200A, even at the unveiling. I hope they do but it won’t make a huge difference over the charge to 80%. What we are seeing often are manufacturers saying the car can use 100 kw charger, but they neglect to tell you that you can’t charge at 100 kw on that charger. According to Fastned, Max KW on I PACE on their 175 kw charger is 85 kw (200A) support.fastned.nl/hc/en-gb/articles/360000788848-Charging-with-a-Jaguar-I-PACE
John W, I’m not against I PACE, just going by observations and research. Fastned, not me says max is 85 kw (200A). support.fastned.nl/hc/en-gb/articles/360000788848-Charging-with-a-Jaguar-I-PACE Do you have a link to any video showing one charging at 100 kw? Perhaps there are two versions running around for different markets. The Fastned 175 kw charger can charge other cars up to 150 kw, which is much higher than 200A, so it’s highly coincidental that the I PACE cut off at exactly 200A, which corresponds to CCS 1.0
John and Karen, I just checked and Bjorn has spamguard on so the post with the Fastned link isn’t posting. But here is what it says: If you have a Jaguar I-PACE, then you use the CCS plug. Please ensure that you insert the plug properly. Raincaps_CCS_Zendesk.jpg “The charge speed is up to 85 kW at our 175 kW fast chargers and 50 kW at our other chargers. In the charge curve below you can see the charge speed of the I-PACE at both chargers. On average the I-PACE charges 100 km in 15 - 30 minutes. At a 175 kW charger the charge speed will slowly drop as of 50%. At a 50 kW charger this happens as of 80%. We understood that the I-PACE may receive a software update in Q1 2019 to enable fast charging up to 100 kW. Please check with your Jaguar dealer for more information.” It seems strange that I PACE would install 500A CCS and software limit it to 200A. But anything is possible. I would think that it would require different hardware, along with software update showing it can now charge faster, but it’s still not going to charge faster at 50% without a BMS charge curve update. All the LG Chem batteries of this type seem to follow the same conservative charge profile of about 1C CC and then CV taper at 3.85V up to 4.10-4.20 volts.
you should google that norway benefits from a special gulf stream feeding in lovely decent summers (leaving UK, Denmark etc to be much colder), comparable to barcelona on good seasons. weather.com/weather/monthly/l/NOXX0029:1:NO look at July 2018, not too shabby for a country further north than scotland
I've noticed that Jaguar recommend lower tyre pressure than Tesla. Is it possible to estimate the effect on consumption caused by this faktor? (I Pace 37 vs Tesla above 40)
That can only be to do with the extra weight. There is only one pressure that is right. The wheel does not know what vehicle it is on it, It only knows the weight. More weight = more pressure the footprint stays the same.
@@FutureSystem738 I think so many cars are so heavy now we all need to run higher pressures than we think. I always looks at how the tyres are wearing and i run maximums. And it's staying even across the tread of the tyre. Getting are 50-60k on each tyre. The ride comfort has gone right out the window.
@@bjornnyland I would like to see a summer charge on a 38 kWh Ioniq at 70kW. Charging from 10 to 80%. If it could average 60kW, 38.3kWh/60minutes x 26.8 (70%of 38.3)then it would only take 17.1 minutes to charge every 2 to 2.5 hours of driving (180 to 230km). A twenty minute break every 2 hours seems reasonable anyway. The need for large batteries in a fast charging environment is reduced under most conditions. These numbers can only improve as technology advances. Greetings from Cairns Australia where it is always summer.
@Wolfgang Preier the problem is.. it's a few.. and these big car companies can' t afford to develop these expensive designs that are less competitive, for a few people who will prefer them. It was stated that Audi needs to sell 600K E-trons to make back the money they put into the program... that is NOT gonna happen. Not even half. And the design isn't even being used again.. they're going to a whole different platform.. which they also found is less efficient then it needs to be to compete, already! And it's not like the other companies aren't still improving! When the Tesla model Y hits, it's going to out do the Model 3, almost for certain! And there are other EV startups coming with some serious tech, and serious quality. I don't see how the legacy auto guys keep up.. they are not going full bore into EVs.. no matter what BS they say and put in a press release.. show me ONE that has canceled ICE production or design in the next 5 years... there isn't one.. they are NOT going full EV any time in the foreseeable future.. no matter what BS they say.. which is why they are likely all going to fail.. or buy out some of these start up EV companies, just so they can compete. Because their business model right now, is a recipe for disaster for all of them.. hedging both sides, is going to get them F'd on both sides. My opinion...
@Wolfgang Preier I'll look into the story again about the E-tron sales to get to profitability again... but I think you're WAY underestimating the Chinese EV startups. I think you'll see Byton and Niro in Europe and America in 3 years time.. and in large numbers. And in 3 years time, the German automakers are only just going to be getting to making some common models that aren't premium, themselves. And I don't think they'll have a prayer against the Chinese EVs.. and if Tesla continues on the path it's on.. No one is catching them in the foreseeable future. And I mean, NO ONE. Now.. they can screw up.. of course.. but as I said, if they continue on the path they have shown.. they are going to blitz everyone. The EVs coming out of Germany this year.. next year.. and the year after.. still don't out perform a top Tesla from 7 years ago. And you may consider a Model 3 high priced.. but compared to the competition.. there is NOTHING that beats it, in its class, and for its price. And it out performs vehicles WAY above its class and price, and in just sheer joy of ownership. People will pay extra for that... people ARE paying extra for that. You watch as the Model 3s roll into Europe and more people get their hands on one this year.. how the car sales drastically change. The German car makers are already shitting their pants.. and if you don't believe it.. read the news.. if they're willing to say even one word about their fears in competition with sales against Tesla.. you know there is a mountain behind them that they don't even dare mention in public. Time will tell all.. my bet is the German car makers go under... or buy heavily into other EV makers to get them up to speed. Because you can't play both sides of the EV/ICE car making coin, and win.. and that's the game their trying.. they're going to lose. My opinion... and don't get me wrong! Almost all my recent cars were German cars before my Tesla.. it's why I feel I can speak with some knowledge here.. I know what good cars they WERE.. and I know how good a Tesla is now.. and I SEE what the Chinese are doing.. I don't think the Germans are doing the transition correctly.. and I think they are going to fail because of it. They have the experience.. they don't have the flexibility.. and apparently.. the balls to just drop ICEs, and go to EVs. When all the writing is on the wall for anyone with a critical eye to see... it IS the future.. put it off at your own peril.
We have a ipace @ work, and its beeen terrible , ugly leather stitches not straight rattle in the door and a fault in the battery pack causing the car to only drive vor 180km before its empty....
John W you cant take a taxi if you want to take a road trip or go skiing or toe a boat or off road motor cycle. That taxi would be quite expensive and I doubt the driver would be ok with you asking him to drive you 300 miles away with all your gear, wait three days, then be waiting for you when your ready to come home. I can do a those things in my model x 100d, charge for free with lifetime supercharging and not have to drive most of the time. You can’t do that with this Jaguar. My model X already has all the hardware to fully autonomous drive as soon as the regulators allow it making my car more valuable in the future. This Jaguar has none If these features and will not be upgrading to full autonomy. Why would anyone choose this over a model 3 or X if you have that kind of money? Only a fool would by this car.
Nice round up Bjorn which makes it very clear what the car offers.
Great video, as always!
We need more Hyperchargers in Finland too.
Over 300 W/h is super thirsty.
Thank you so much for making the video Bjørn
7:00 When you look at that screen, that is a ton of power. One charge is like a month or usage for a small apartment.
Did you literally stand there for half an hour, removing the screen saver every two minutes for recording? That's commitment.
No. I stayed there almost one hour.
@@bjornnyland Lol, you're a legend.
THe microphone of the noise meter should always be around head height, having it on the seat will give you false readings. (Just trying to help)
I think this number 311 wH/km is quite reliable. Nextmove got 313 in German autobahn 120 km/h test, so we can confidently say over 310 wH/km for most people who use highways. Pretty high.
@@atnfn or not that high tech drivetrain.
@@atnfn Very heavy, bad software side management...pretty typical for the first major electric car from any manufacturer. Other than Tesla of course.
Bjorn could you get a SMART fortwo EQ I think it would make for a really funny and informative video
First every time. Keep up these awesome vids.Also can you test model 3 in Norway please
fishskin pranks hi is going to do it. Its not many off them in Norway
Can you test a european tesla model 3 in winter :) Like charging, range in winter etc.?
Bjorn...you're the Man...the EV Man and Tesla God of the North....pse test a MOD3... thank U...I come to visit you this summer with my Brand New M3!
Bring me a Model 3 then.
The frequency weighing on the SPL meter would result in vastly different readings. I would not use weighing if possible, use the dBZ, or if not available the dBC mode. dBA cuts down too much on the low (road rumble) and high (motor/electronics whine) frequencies that would be present in the car and affect comfort. However since Bjørn has been using dBA perhaps it is better to leave it as is to keep the results consistent.
Hi Björn, i´m so curious about the upcoming Volvo Polestar2. Do you know already anything about this car? Thanks
If you have the car, could you check the software version of battery management? Version 15.2 is the one that's supposed to enable the 100kW. charging. Mine's 14.2 and most of the people I believe is also on 14.2
@Douglas Hamner I saw some rumour of version 19A for the infotaiment system, I checked with my dealer, the latest Campaign for my car is still 18D. There's also mixed information on the internet on whether SOTA is already enabled. We can only wait unfortunately.
Last summer you also had pre-production software. I wonder if that has any effect on the results. I'm still hoping Jaguar can improve efficiency through software updates
I can't seem to reset the GOM tried to follow your video does it matter I'm in the UK?
Thanks
There is a lot of confusion around the latest SW. Jaguar issued on 20.02.19 a Service Action Number H159V4 this ref. has been quoted on many forums and you could confuse it with a SW version number. This Service action is en titled Software Over The Air (SOTA) Readiness and 100kW Charging Update. Apart for OTA support it states: "The customer benefit of this update is improved charge times from 0-50% State-of-Charge (SoC) where it is possible to charge using a DC source with capacity 100kW and greater, and will reduce the 0-80% SoC time by up to 15%." So "Decrease" in charging effect after 50% that we see in the Video is not solved with this update. I received this update back in November and have been told my VIN is not affected, however, I charged at Ionity in Stromstad on the 20th temp +6C and had driven non stop from Oslo at around the speed limit 100/110Km. SOC% was 55% when I started and although it was showing 400-416V max amp when I started was only 106 and effekt 43kW/h. After 21 mins when I stopped charging SOC% was 70% Volts 423 and Amps was down to 83 charge rate was now 35kW. In 21 mins car sucked in 14.325kW. I charged again at Vinterbro on the way home (ABB 175kW Charger) SOC start was 31% outside temp +7C After 5 mins calculated effect I was sucking in was 75kW/h SOC% 34% at around 50% it started to drop and at SOC 71% it had dropped to 54kW/h. Total time to charge was 31 mins and car received 34.7Kw. As an example of kWh/100Km I drove from west side of Oslo to the Ionity charging station South of Strømstad in Sweden. 142km in 1h 37mins average speed of 91km/h and energy consumption was 25kWh/100km. In November last year same trip 24.40kWh/100km similar conditions and also dry roads. I have the same winter wheels and tyres Bjørn has on the car he is testing and they were fitted when I drove to Stømstad in November. I am trying to get the SW for this fix installed again as I have never seen an effect of > 75kW from the high speed chargers I have tried. Finally I have version 14.2 installed, Bjørn what telematics version did your press car have?
i wonder if those car makers will integrate 2 PM-Motors again in their next Models?
Goodonyah
Hi!
0:01 put on the subtitles lol!
Jaguar I Piss! Well, youtube doesn't seem to like the I Pace!
Hahahaha...
Hilarious, maximum points to the automatic translator. The intention with this video suddenly changed..... ALOT
That’s the Sigmund Freud translator.
Hypercharger at 6:20
CCS 1.0 only support 200 A, CCS 2.0 supports up to 500 A. I bet the I PACE has the 1.0 Socket, since it can’t really benefit much from the 500 A socket, which may also require 500 A power cables in the car. It tapered down below 200A at 50% anyway so after that it’s useless to have the 2.0 hardware.
The I PACE seems to be at home on a 50 kw charger with its higher battery voltage. Especially helpful in places where you pay by the minute based on the chargers max power. But you still have the option to charge at 200A up to 50% to get to your destination and slow charge.
Nope, it's CCS2 and able to charge at 100kW, just look at serveral YT videos likes this: ua-cam.com/video/IgtJ6_6GrUw/v-deo.html. Jaguar limited it to 100kWprobably to still have an acceptable C-rate for the battery they chose, to give good longevity. Just like Tesla limits their cars to about 95kW (like Optimus prime) after a few hunderd SuC sessions.
Karen Pease, I haven’t seen anyone getting over 200A, even at the unveiling. I hope they do but it won’t make a huge difference over the charge to 80%. What we are seeing often are manufacturers saying the car can use 100 kw charger, but they neglect to tell you that you can’t charge at 100 kw on that charger.
According to Fastned, Max KW on I PACE on their 175 kw charger is 85 kw (200A)
support.fastned.nl/hc/en-gb/articles/360000788848-Charging-with-a-Jaguar-I-PACE
@@karenrobertsdottir4101 and IMHO: watch this video ua-cam.com/video/IgtJ6_6GrUw/v-deo.html
John W, I’m not against I PACE, just going by observations and research. Fastned, not me says max is 85 kw (200A).
support.fastned.nl/hc/en-gb/articles/360000788848-Charging-with-a-Jaguar-I-PACE
Do you have a link to any video showing one charging at 100 kw? Perhaps there are two versions running around for different markets.
The Fastned 175 kw charger can charge other cars up to 150 kw, which is much higher than 200A, so it’s highly coincidental that the I PACE cut off at exactly 200A, which corresponds to CCS 1.0
John and Karen, I just checked and Bjorn has spamguard on so the post with the Fastned link isn’t posting. But here is what it says:
If you have a Jaguar I-PACE, then you use the CCS plug. Please ensure that you insert the plug properly.
Raincaps_CCS_Zendesk.jpg
“The charge speed is up to 85 kW at our 175 kW fast chargers and 50 kW at our other chargers. In the charge curve below you can see the charge speed of the I-PACE at both chargers. On average the I-PACE charges 100 km in 15 - 30 minutes. At a 175 kW charger the charge speed will slowly drop as of 50%. At a 50 kW charger this happens as of 80%.
We understood that the I-PACE may receive a software update in Q1 2019 to enable fast charging up to 100 kW. Please check with your Jaguar dealer for more information.”
It seems strange that I PACE would install 500A CCS and software limit it to 200A. But anything is possible. I would think that it would require different hardware, along with software update showing it can now charge faster, but it’s still not going to charge faster at 50% without a BMS charge curve update. All the LG Chem batteries of this type seem to follow the same conservative charge profile of about 1C CC and then CV taper at 3.85V up to 4.10-4.20 volts.
Can you put your test results in a Google Sheets file so we can compare them?
Hey Björn..."Shiiiet" Weather....
What is the point of the summer test, when you test it in norway? :P
Hæ?
Batvolle implies that Summer in Norway is more Like Spring/Fall in other countries. ;-)
Im kidding guys :D
you should google that norway benefits from a special gulf stream feeding in lovely decent summers (leaving UK, Denmark etc to be much colder), comparable to barcelona on good seasons.
weather.com/weather/monthly/l/NOXX0029:1:NO
look at July 2018, not too shabby for a country further north than scotland
Gorgeous but expensive .. For the price it cost, and the technology is in it, I expected more efficiency and charging speed. Its still gorgeous..
It starts with 30 kWh/100 km, just twice the Kona does ..
its battery size is 80Kwh ?
from 20% to 40 % it charged 16.2 Kwh (24.3-8.1 ) !!!!!!! @7:08
I've noticed that Jaguar recommend lower tyre pressure than Tesla. Is it possible to estimate the effect on consumption caused by this faktor? (I Pace 37 vs Tesla above 40)
That can only be to do with the extra weight. There is only one pressure that is right. The wheel does not know what vehicle it is on it, It only knows the weight. More weight = more pressure the footprint stays the same.
@@FutureSystem738 I think so many cars are so heavy now we all need to run higher pressures than we think. I always looks at how the tyres are wearing and i run maximums. And it's staying even across the tread of the tyre. Getting are 50-60k on each tyre. The ride comfort has gone right out the window.
norway without snow.. wtf Bjorn?:)
trump says no climate change...
You have not the latest software version! 110 Kw are possible !
Fiat 500e 🥶 Gate is real #cantrunheater
All the evs are just very very heavy!!
Yes they call it a battery
Can the Hyundai Ioniq use this charger and get the benfit of high speed charging I wonder? :D
Yes, max 70 kW.
@@bjornnyland I would like to see a summer charge on a 38 kWh Ioniq at 70kW. Charging from 10 to 80%. If it could average 60kW, 38.3kWh/60minutes x 26.8 (70%of 38.3)then it would only take 17.1 minutes to charge every 2 to 2.5 hours of driving (180 to 230km).
A twenty minute break every 2 hours seems reasonable anyway. The need for large batteries in a fast charging environment is reduced under most conditions. These numbers can only improve as technology advances. Greetings from Cairns Australia where it is always summer.
Not even 300km of highway range, tbh that is very sad for such a big car and makes it useless for anything else than mostly city driving...
@Wolfgang Preier the problem is.. it's a few.. and these big car companies can' t afford to develop these expensive designs that are less competitive, for a few people who will prefer them. It was stated that Audi needs to sell 600K E-trons to make back the money they put into the program... that is NOT gonna happen. Not even half. And the design isn't even being used again.. they're going to a whole different platform.. which they also found is less efficient then it needs to be to compete, already! And it's not like the other companies aren't still improving! When the Tesla model Y hits, it's going to out do the Model 3, almost for certain! And there are other EV startups coming with some serious tech, and serious quality. I don't see how the legacy auto guys keep up.. they are not going full bore into EVs.. no matter what BS they say and put in a press release.. show me ONE that has canceled ICE production or design in the next 5 years... there isn't one.. they are NOT going full EV any time in the foreseeable future.. no matter what BS they say.. which is why they are likely all going to fail.. or buy out some of these start up EV companies, just so they can compete. Because their business model right now, is a recipe for disaster for all of them.. hedging both sides, is going to get them F'd on both sides. My opinion...
@Wolfgang Preier I'll look into the story again about the E-tron sales to get to profitability again... but I think you're WAY underestimating the Chinese EV startups. I think you'll see Byton and Niro in Europe and America in 3 years time.. and in large numbers. And in 3 years time, the German automakers are only just going to be getting to making some common models that aren't premium, themselves. And I don't think they'll have a prayer against the Chinese EVs.. and if Tesla continues on the path it's on.. No one is catching them in the foreseeable future. And I mean, NO ONE. Now.. they can screw up.. of course.. but as I said, if they continue on the path they have shown.. they are going to blitz everyone. The EVs coming out of Germany this year.. next year.. and the year after.. still don't out perform a top Tesla from 7 years ago. And you may consider a Model 3 high priced.. but compared to the competition.. there is NOTHING that beats it, in its class, and for its price. And it out performs vehicles WAY above its class and price, and in just sheer joy of ownership. People will pay extra for that... people ARE paying extra for that. You watch as the Model 3s roll into Europe and more people get their hands on one this year.. how the car sales drastically change. The German car makers are already shitting their pants.. and if you don't believe it.. read the news.. if they're willing to say even one word about their fears in competition with sales against Tesla.. you know there is a mountain behind them that they don't even dare mention in public. Time will tell all.. my bet is the German car makers go under... or buy heavily into other EV makers to get them up to speed. Because you can't play both sides of the EV/ICE car making coin, and win.. and that's the game their trying.. they're going to lose. My opinion... and don't get me wrong! Almost all my recent cars were German cars before my Tesla.. it's why I feel I can speak with some knowledge here.. I know what good cars they WERE.. and I know how good a Tesla is now.. and I SEE what the Chinese are doing.. I don't think the Germans are doing the transition correctly.. and I think they are going to fail because of it. They have the experience.. they don't have the flexibility.. and apparently.. the balls to just drop ICEs, and go to EVs. When all the writing is on the wall for anyone with a critical eye to see... it IS the future.. put it off at your own peril.
We have a ipace @ work, and its beeen terrible , ugly leather stitches not straight rattle in the door and a fault in the battery pack causing the car to only drive vor 180km before its empty....
Shieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet
No autopilot ?! That’s not good if it has no autopilot
John W you cant take a taxi if you want to take a road trip or go skiing or toe a boat or off road motor cycle. That taxi would be quite expensive and I doubt the driver would be ok with you asking him to drive you 300 miles away with all your gear, wait three days, then be waiting for you when your ready to come home. I can do a those things in my model x 100d, charge for free with lifetime supercharging and not have to drive most of the time. You can’t do that with this Jaguar. My model X already has all the hardware to fully autonomous drive as soon as the regulators allow it making my car more valuable in the future. This Jaguar has none If these features and will not be upgrading to full autonomy. Why would anyone choose this over a model 3 or X if you have that kind of money? Only a fool would by this car.
175kW "hyper" lul