The Life And Crimes Of Francis Tumblety - Jack The Ripper Suspect.
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- Опубліковано 19 бер 2022
- Dr. Francis Tumblety is one of the few Jack the Ripper suspects who was actually arrested in connection with the Whitechapel murders in the autumn of 1888.
In this video, which is presented in connection with author and Tumblety expert Michael L. Hawley, we trace his life from his birth in Ireland in 1833, through to his fledgling career as an "Indian herb doctor" - in which pursuit he was extremely successful and, as a result became very wealthy - and on to England where, throughout the 1870s, his name appeared regularly in the newspapers.
Having looked at his career in England, we assess his character, taking an in depth look at some of the controversies he was involved in, first in Liverpool and then in Birmingham.
The story then follows him into the autumn of 1888, when, at some stage, he managed to get himself arrested on suspicion of complicity in the Jack the Ripper atrocities.
Using his own words from various interviews that he gave in the wake of his arrest, we ponder why it was that he was suspected. We then reveal that the police, lacking any concrete evidence to prosecute him for the crimes, opted to charge him with several counts of gross indecency.
He was bailed to appear at the Central Criminal Court (the Old Bailey) in December, 1888, but he skipped bail and fled to America, by way of France.
Here, his arrest was widely reported in the American newspapers. albeit the British newspapers remained strangely silent about his arrest.
Police officers of the NYPD kept him under surveillance during his time in New York, and it was reported that several English detectives had followed him across the Atlantic, supposedly, so the press claimed, in connection with his being Jack the Ripper.
We assess the case both for and against him, and reveal how, having faded from memory as a suspect, interest in him was re-ignited when a letter, written by a retired Scotland Yard detective, Chief Inspector John Littlechild, named him as a likely suspect.
Having discussed his viability as a suspect, we follow him through his latter years until his death at St John's Hospital St. Louis, in May 1903.
The video presents an in depth biography of, and a detailed analysis of one of the most eccentric suspects ever to be linked with the Whitechapel murders.
This guy was not Jack the Ripper, but he was one heck of a character. Very entertaining video. Thank you.
One thing I’m convinced of is the ripper had masterful knowledge of the Whitechapel area. I don’t think it was an American who had only had brief experience of it. He’s worth looking into though.
No one would’ve had a more thorough knowledge of the Whitechapel area as well as being able to move about completely unsuspected than a homicidal prostitute. Fights over customers and preferred areas were common among the prostitutes in that time.
Tumblety had extensive knowledge of whole of London.
Examine his movements. But also look at someone who knew the area like the back of his hand. Had a place nearby, where he could vanish for some sleep after wandering around at 4am, to be in bed by 5am.
It doesn't seem very likely he'd flee the country due to sex crimes but stay for multiple horrific murders. Agreed it wasn't him
Even with the high bar you always set, this video is something special! Fascinating, and so much information that was new to me.
That's very kind of you, Charlie.
How in the world could Tumblety remain inconspicuous with that gigantic mustache?
Because he was. Over 46 sworn testimonies and depositions of Tumblety in the last 20 years of his life were in agreement that he spent his evenings in the slums of every city he went to dressed down life a homeless person walking in the darkest parts of the street. At no time did ANY eyewitnesses say he walked the evenings showing off a gigantic mustache. All stated that he waxed it pitch black and it was not gigantic.
@@michaelhawley2283 that's abit odd tbh lurking in the shadows of a slum in a foreign country when murders are taking place lol
It was common then
its false and removable
edit: I was shitposting/guessing but I watched to the end and GUESS WHAT 😎
😂
This video was the best documentary on Dr. Tumblety that I have seen. I am glad that you pointed out that Tumblety died here my hometown of Saint Louis. Here is another historical tid-bit about Tumblety. The funeral home where he was embalmed and prepared for burial was located on Saint Louis' Grand Avenue; across the street from old Sportsman's Park. This was our ballpark; prior to Busch Stadium.
Thank you, Lloyd.
@@JackTheRipperTours You are welcome.
Tumblety is buried in Holy Sepulchre Cemetery in Rochester, NY.
His surname sounds like something Charles Dickens would have come up with
Flint Dibble
This was a good tutorial for those of us who aren't ripperologists or sleuths. It brought into perspective all the vague descriptions of Tumblety which have been mentioned in less specific ripper discussions. Maybe he and Lechmere shared grisly duties.
Thanks.
@@JackTheRipperTours hello.
I have a book you might be interested in.
A book from 1941.
Called INQUEST.
By S. Ingleby Oddie.
He was a coroner.
He talks about the ripper case too and a. Conan Doyle
If you want I send it to you.
Greetings.
Robin Stevens
The Netherlands
I agree Lechmere known as Cross sounds a good suspect ..maybe he left his signature on 2 of the bodies with Cross's carved into them .. we'll probably never know.
This is a quality presentation. I've always seen Tumblety as one of three main suspects. Why on earth are we not able to access the Scotland Yard arrest brief? Well done.
Thank you, Anthony. My suspicion on the Special Branch files not being accessible is that they are related to the Fenian movement.
@@JackTheRipperTours its hard to explain or justify a permanent suppression order.
He would not have just given up killing if it was him, he was a con artist and swindler.
It’s always a pleasure to take part of your immense knowledge about the case Mr. Jones, but this was extraordinarily interesting. It was also wonderful to hear Mr. Harley’s expertise regarding this particular suspect. I learned quite a few new things tonight.
I often read claims that The Ripper was a sadistic killer, but was he though?
The Ripper, to my knowledge, never tortured his victims, but rather killed them quite swiftly and only desecrated the bodies post mortem. Sadism is defined as the infliction of suffering for sexual gratification. A sadist will inflict pain on someone in order to see a terrified victim’s reaction. Tormenting a victim is a way for sadists to bolster their egos and self worth. Having complete control over a helpless person makes them God-like in their own twisted worlds.
But did the Ripper really do any of that?
He seemed to have done his deeds very quickly, mainly in the dark, and at least with no apparent sexual gratification. The only exception possibly being the Mary Kelly murder, of which we know far to little about to say anything for certain. George Bagster Phillips believed that Kelly had been killed by a slash to the throat and the mutilations were performed afterward. Is that the actions by a sadistic killer? He had her indoors, by himself, and Phillips suggested that the extensive mutilations would have taken two hours to perform. Yet he didn’t keep her alive, though he could have. From my point of view all this suggests that he had an ulterior motive rather than sadism.
Thank you for your kind words, Magnus, and for those interesting and valid points.
Well maybe fear for women which became fury and anger.
To me these murders are for show - to be seen .
@@jamescorlett5272 I agree
He couldve achieved sexual satisfaction just by the mutilations. Well, im saying i believe that possible. This person probably didnt need actual intercourse to feel sexual gratification.
The sadism part is so interesting. With Mary Kelly, it looks incredibly primitive. Like a lion kills its prey. It almost seems as though the killer has these animal instincts mixed with the complexities of human desire to kill. It really is very strange.
There is so much rubbish on UA-cam it is wonderful to come across a detailed, balanced and well researched item such as this. Submitted as a thesis this would get you a first.
Very informative video, well done
Loved the video mate well done could you do one about James Kelly?
Hi Stefan. Yes, indeed, he is on my list to do!
Thanks for this- I really enjoy Michael Hawley's book The Ripper's Haunts.
My own suspect is Lechmere, but
Tumblety is a fascinating character outside of the JtR stuff. He's one of the most colorful and eccentric haracters of the 19th century.
I'd love to see a movie or Netflix show made about his life.
He was the commissioner, Lechmere executed
I'm also more suspect of Lechmere.
Tumblety stands out too much. His height, accent and mustache would have been picked up by witnesses. Add the constant police attention and lack of oppurtunity and he seems even less likely.
@@simonkolar5478 And the fact that he stopped killing even though he lived for years after the Whitechapel ones.
This is the best documentary on Tumblety I have heard. Will be listening to more. So much information that I haven't heard and loved the whole tone of it. I used to think it was Tumblety but as more questions came up I changed my mind. I think it would be a local man and if any I suspect lechmere.
An excellent and very well researched and documented video. Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Very informative 👍👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 well done
Thank you!
Could it be out of all these suspects we know that not one of them is Jack. What are the odds. Enjoyed the video.🙂
Pleased you enjoyed it, Jack.
Of course that could be the case.
The police, the people and not to mention the newspapers were all seeking for a monster that would stand out in a crowd. What we know today is that serial killers usually don’t. Especially successful serial killers. They are more likely to be quite ordinary people and more often unconspicuous than the obvious psychopathic monsters people want them to be.
One thing that really speaks for that the Ripper was a local, quite anonymous, resident rather than the Hollywood caricature with the top hat, cape and a doctor’s bag, is the Whitechapel murderers evident local knowledge. He knew the streets, the alleys, the backyards, the passage ways and the shortcuts. He knew every nook and cranny of Whitechapel. There’s very little doubt in my mind he was born and raised there. And he may very well have been someone who never appeared in any of the police reports and never was mentioned at any of the inquests.
The odds are extremely high.
@@patavinity1262 don't know about extremely high as I mean the police likely had some indications to go by like they went threw alot of people calling door by door etc lol
What a character! This is the most compehensive set of information on the subject I've seen. Presented with Sir Richard Jones' outstanding quality, it might turn into the script for a really good film.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Very interesting indeed, I learned new details about Dr. Tumblety watching this video.
One thing was not mentioned is the fact that THE FROM HELL LETTER (probably the only ripper letter thought to be written by the killer) showed signs of being written by an Irish person, Dr. Tumblety was originally Irish...
but I still think Kosminski is the ripper.
Dr. Tumblety was in his 40's when the murders occurred and the physical description does not match. The Ripper was described as a man in his late 20's, not 6 feet tall and no american accent, let alone the big mustache.
Kosminski fits the profile not just cause of his mental disease (was guided by voices) attacked his sister with a knife, was named by 2 of the top police Chiefs at the time as the killer, Martin Fido came up with "Aaron".
Also, Aaron Kosminski was "trained as a barber" according to his hospital admission records, barbers at the time were surgeons, remove teeth and did minor surgery; knew basic anatomy.
Great video Mr Jones.
May I recommend you prepare a video on GEORGE HUTCHINSON? he is very suspicious to me, was probably the lookout in the ripper murders. Thanks.
Elizabeth long seen a man with Annie Chapman the night of the omicide. Long described the man of other 40 Age.
Tumblety was a Headliner, JTR is a headliner. Tumblety said, he did it for science, a great medical reform. He called them animals. "She brings on a crisis by stools, vomiting, sweat, urine, expectoration, ect. which for the most part ends in the restoration of healthy action. ...Here, then, the judicious, the moral, the humane physician should stop. But the ADVENTUROUS physician goes on and substitutes presumtion for knowledge.....Almost the last words that Senator Plumb uttered were to his landlady, who asked him what was the result of his consultation with his physician. He replied characteristically, "I have got to throw up the sponge." He meant that he had to stop work and he did not know that so soon he would have to stop altogether. ..It has been said that the man without the capacity of wonder resembles a dull pair of specticles behind which there are no eyes...These unjust and infamous, amazing in there frequency and absolute lack of foundation, have almost deprived me of the wonder capacity." Francis Tumblety. Further note, why did his file disappear?
Very interesting thank you 👏👏
You are very welcome
Tumblety has always been my favorite contender for Jack the Ripper - if only because of his rabid hatred of women! I heard he kept a large cupboard in the US, full of medical jars containing woman's wombs and sexual organs saying "This is where women belong"! Horrid character!
Apparently there was a lot of hatred towards women in Whitechapel back then.
Tumblety was an extremely tall and excentric man, with a very remarkable appearence.
He would have most certainly been the center of attention.
I think most of what is said about him seems quite is disputed.
My theory is that the killer might have not been a mentally sick lunatic or even someone with hatred of women or prostitutes.
What if it was a psycopath with an extreme curiosity for the female anatomy that took advantage of underpriviledged and marginalized women, that went undiscovered because he might have been a butcher and wouldn't really be suspicious with his clothes.
I too agree that Tumblety is the best suspect.
I doubt he was the ripper. JTR was described by witnesses as being between 5'5 5'7 in height and 30-36 years of age. Tumblety was 5'10 and was 55 by the time JTR started his killings.
Another amazing video; they keep getting better and better. Tumblety is a good example of the danger of taking a collection of (sometimes unverified) facts and fashioning a argument around it. On the surface of the story of Tumblety it sounds like a sure bet. However, a lot of it seems to be of the 'weird type... so suspect' route. He was an hermaphrodite homosexual misogynist tall/short flamboyant/eccentric/everyday syphilitic who just so happened to collect uteri... hmm....
You can spend actual years reading nothing but Jack the Ripper books.
Nah. Now and then you have to read letters, bills, food packets etc.
Just kidding 😂.
And never have any real idea who the killer was, who not only was a cunning criminal but a very mysterious character. Tumblety didn't like being around women and was far too old as well as tall not to mention being very wealthy to have possibly been JTR.
Interesting video.
Glad you think so!
would be interesting if someone could track where his "samples of uterus'" went and do a dna test on them to compare to the victims
When was this documentary made? I watched something on Tumblety in the 90’s on tv that I’ve been trying to find. 🙏
I have now fully watched the video.
I would like to praise you for your contributions and the amount of effort to gather such an incredible amount of information about the life of Francis Tumblety.
He is an incredibly interesting personality for how excentric and peculiar he was.
But I can´t help but think that, just like most of the famous suspects, he was just the target of social steryotipes from back then, and his name as a suspect is overwhelmingly attached to the social and collective view over who the criminal might have been, which would vary from jewish, immigrant, royal family members and others, most of which mostly based on people´s own personal discomforts back then.
The killer was most likely an unobtrusive, unremarkable working class man, who was a butcher or at least had some peculiar interest in the act of dissecting bodies.
My unpopular opinion is that he might not have been a mysoginist or a woman hater. He was rather someone who had an incredible attachment for the female anatomy for some reason and would have prostitutes as his target for being vulnerable and a marginalized social group, so he wouldn´t have been caught.
A local who knew the area extremely well and was either on his way to work or going back from work, therefore he had reasons to be on those areas without being suspicious.
He was probably not considered a suspect back then, and the contractions about whether he had great anatomical knowledge or not was probably because he was enhancing his ´´techniques´´, which he would learn from each murder.
Though an average man, probably relatively smart by how much he would learn from each murder, which might have been the most reseonable explanation for the variety and discrepancy on statements on regard to his skills.
Because he was a psychopath, he wouldn´t really mind doing that over and over again.
The carman Charles Lechmere is someone that is extremely suspicious to me, which I consider to be the prime suspect.
I have other theories based on different interpretations of the killer by reading through the killings and making assumptions, and also giving credit to Anderson and Swanson´s claims, but the most coeherent for me is the one I mention above.
Anyway, I absolutely respect your research and, even though I disagree with the view over Tumblety, I did enjoy the whole way through the video, which was remarkably well elaborated.
Love your channel.
I am from Rochester, NY. Francis Tumblety was from Rochester. He is buried here as well. 👍
Have you read Chister Holmgren’s “Cutting Point”?
It is well worth the read and it gives possible “inspirations” for Lechmere in his youth. Excellent book.
@@kurtbonke6999 I thought he was from Ireland
Yea he was originally from Ireland..n Wa about the 2 brass rings? Later found as part of his property after his death
Thats what makes me suspect him,where did the rings come from?.were they kept as a trophy.?.
Wow incredible video
Thank you very much!
Tumblety sounded like a real character didn't he. How many people must have fell for his false claims of being able to heal them and becoming ill over it and like poor Mr Hanratty dying. The police must have had some concern over him if they were watching him and also for arresting him several times. Such a shame that there is not much information now. The dossier if it were to be found would make for a very interesting read wouldn't it. He obviously didn't care for women but is that enough to think he could have been Jack The Ripper. But why did he skip bail and flee the country. A strange character indeed. Definetely a narcisist. Brilliant story again Richard. Thank you for all the effort you put into these stories. Look forward to your next one. Best wishes.
Very compelling. When you see how the TQ+ act with women today, it does raise some questions.
I think I could listen to this narrator on any subject.
I know a lot of Ripperologists totally dismiss the Lechmere/Cross theory, but one thing i have never seen is a video by guys like you explaining - just why you are so sure it could not have been him. It would still make for a fascinating episode and to explain why he called himself Cross while signing official documents in the name Lechmere. His wife and kids were Lechmere exclusively, and i completely don't buy it that he was only trying to protect them. Minutes ahead of Robert Paul and more than enough time to do the deed. Tarpaulin my arse - no offense, i just would love this mystery solved, rather than dragged on indefinitely. I am in no way biased towards any particular suspect and i have nothing to gain other than getting to the bottom of it all. At least give your viewers some facts about him and tell me why ripper enthusiasts hit the roof when he is mentioned.
He's not mentioned in this video because this one is about Tumblety.
@@JackTheRipperTours I know that, but he seems to be a suspect that never gets a mention. An episode where you guys give your valuable information even to totally dismiss him being a suspect would still be interesting. When you can look at something with absolutely no bias, you can really see things more clearly and one day something might crop up that takes him out of my firing line and then i will move on! Like your videos and they are always well produced and fascinating.
He is very much on my list of suspects to do. I am hoping to feature one of those who propose him as a suspect as I like the videos to present a for and against case.
@@JackTheRipperTours Good man! That sounds fair.
Yes! For years I've though it was Lechmere. Still do.
Mr.Jones once again you hit it out of the park , I can not get enough of this . Francis Tumblety was my first suspect when I started looking into the Ripper. My interest was sparked due to the fact he was an American. Then everyone knows that a lot of movies called the lodger . I think Alfred Hitchcock's first movie was along those lines. But in my opinion when you look into it he's the first one you can discount . I believe the only one that really did see the Ripper was Evelin Long. She said he was dark , a foreigner , she also said he was a little taller than Chapman . She was 5"2 . I don't believe you can fit Francis Tumblety into that box. One thing you never heard about Tumblety is that he was short. I look for info about Cutbush but I can only find little about him. He really has my interest now.
Hi Bill. I am going to be doing a full Cutbush video soon. Just filming the locations now. Thank you for your kind words.
@@JackTheRipperTours Thank You!! I'll be looking forward to it.
I am from London, Ontario Canada. Do you have any additional information about what property owned while in Canada?
interesting that Tumblety has the same peaked cap that Swartz described in the Berner Street case, but 5 foot 5 with broad shoulders is a bit of a stretch especially with Tumblety's Moustache.
Richard, will you do a video on Montague John Druitt?
Great info thank you. Although I knew this guys name from watching documentaries, I never knew that he was publicized as a suspect publicly in the US and I also never knew he even did an interview saying I’m not JTR.
Pleased you found it interesting, Jasmine.
@@JackTheRipperTours great video, I always favoured Tumbelty as a suspect up until I did research on an unrelated topic. I have since been of the opinion these brutal murders MAY have been perpetrated by a gang known as the monkey parade gang, who were known to be brutal and pretty much ran the streets of Whitechapel at night. They had control over some prostitution and I think these horrific killings were warnings. In fact more than a few of (the ladies of the night) claimed to know who the killer was but stayed silent out of fear, in fact Eddowes came back from a hop picking holiday to say she was going to “claim the reward money for Jack the Ripper” maybe this got back to the gang? And there is also some evidence the gang had connections with the local tenant housing some of these ladies would stay in. I have a lot more that points on the possibility it could have been some of the members of this gang (something many bobbies on the beat thought at the time to). But I don’t want to just real off a massively huge comment. But I would be interested in somebody like yourself doing research on this possibility as you are very good at research and unlike many people in this field seem to keep an open mind.
HI RICH, ANY CHANCE ON ONE OF THESE ON LECHMERE PLEASE?
I'm working on him James.
Thanks to Rich and Mr. Hawley. Very interesting video! I wonder, could Tumblety have been The Batty St lodger? Also, his handwriting bears a resemblance to that of the author of the “From Hell” letter. I’m not suggesting he wrote it, just that it’s an interesting coincidence.
Hi Dave. We did look at him being the Batty Street Lodger, and personally I think there is a chance he was. In the end I didn't but the Batty Street lodger in this one as I am hoping to do it as a stand alone video.
The handwriting is certainly similar. It's unfortunate that some people think handwriting can also be used to determine character traits and this IMO has devalued it's use as a scientific tool. Just for the record I think he wrote it.
Dr. Jack is clearly our man!
33:27, a good point why Tumblety is the best candidate for being JTR.
Muy buena serie por favor traduscan el audio al español.
With all duo respect, Tumblety is amongst the most outlandish and unreseonable suspects out there.
Tumblety, Maybrick, William Gull, Sickert ....
I think the very best suspects are really lowkey average working class dudes with some somber past that is really not superficial enough for eyes to catch.
Charles Allen Lechmere is the best imo.
William Grant Grainger could be.
Robert Mann.
Regardless, I genuinely enjoy the channel. Great content every time.
Gotta confess I have to watch this one.
But even If my read is wrong and the killer happens to be an insane dude, perhaps Jacob Levy David Cohen/Nathan Kaminski and even James Kelly
I'm inclined to agree, Andre. I'm presenting the case for and against with my suspect videos, it is a fine line to walk!
@@JackTheRipperTours I wanna watch it carefully to judge on the video as well.
Sorry If I was rude.
It's mostly about the suspect himself.
Your content is incredibly good.
Absolutely agree that none of these outlandish suspects are really viable, although these videos are still brilliant and well researched gold mines of info.
@@lyndoncmp5751 I would love to see one of those videos for Charles Allen Lechmere.
Waterloo, NY, is right next door to Seneca Falls, which is the birthplace of women's rights in the U.S.. He must have loved it there :)
Fantastic video, the amount of research you do is mind blowing ,I learn alot today watching the video,,i guess the great thing about ,Jack the ripper ,,is we will never know who he was,,,,,
So nice of you
Love the different versions of Jack the Ripper.😊
This guy is the epitome of the comical scammer, right down to the fake moustache.
Tumblety has been my prime suspect for the Ripper murders for many years. The evidence is compelling. However, he is a fascinating figure in his own right apart from his possible connection to the murders, as demonstrated in this excellent documentary.
I think the moustache still is a problem. It is indeed a very obvious feature. And his accent.
People would remember him more easily.
It is indeed mentioned at the end of your documentary.
But a bit short. More info on that issue would be nice.
I have one case where two men attempted to follow Tumblety in the streets and he vanished. I have two account, both sworn testimony, that the acquaintances stated each night Tumblety would only walk in the darkest areas of the streets. I have other accounts where Tumblety walked around at night with his collar up and his derby hat pushed down. The New York World journalist who interview Tumblety on January 30, 1889, stated that Tumblety had a British accent.
Thank you very much for your thorough investigation into Dr Tumblety. I enjoyed watching it very much :) My thoughts on whether he was Jack the Ripper or not. I have come to the conclusion that he was not Jack the Ripper. Although he demonstrated certain attributes that certainly made him a definite person of interest/or suspect for the police. There was one, very important, key ingredient that he did not possess. Dr Tumblety was not a trained surgeon, he did not have the precise surgical skills required to be Jack the Ripper. It was stated, based on the autopsies performed on the victims. That whoever Jack the Ripper was, he would have to possess the skills of someone who had a trained eye for anatomy, and advanced surgical skills. Dr Tumblety was nothing more than a con-artist, Quack doctor who was out to make money. None of the Whitechapel murders would have resulted in him making money. Besides, he had travelled back and forth previously to London and nearby areas with no such murders like these occurring. I don't see why he would suddenly just start in 1888 and then just suddenly stop. It makes no sense. A person who kills like Jack the Ripper did, wouldn't just stop. They keep killing until they are caught or die. And based on forensic analysis of serial killers. Homosexual serial killers normally kill men, not women. However there is one very important suspect that the police unfortunately missed. A Dr H.H Holmes, America's first serial killer. He was caught and confessed to killing at least 27 people. He was hanged for murdering a young boy, who was left in his care. He poisoned him and also strangled his 2 sisters to death. H.H Holmes was a trained surgeon, he possessed the unique skills required to perform the Whitechapel murders, and also had a psychopathic skill of making his victims feel safe and comfortable with him, before ending their lives. Also, handwriting from H.H Holmes was determined as a match when compared to the handwriting of Jack the Ripper. H.H Holmes was also staying in London on business, during the time of the Whitechapel murders. The murders started when he arrived and stopped when he returned to America. H.H Holmes spent his entire life, sadly taking the lives of many innocent people.And he also had a hatred towards women, his wife had to leave him and flee after suffering severe abuse/domestic violence, by his hand. If anyone is interested in learning more. There are several documentaries on You-Tube about H.H Holmes's life and crimes. There are also other documentaries available where others suspect him of being Jack the Ripper. Again, thank you for your interesting video, about Dr Tumblety.
He claims he was afraid of the sight of blood - extolling the virtues of herbal remedies over surgery. He was gay and he was over six foot tall and had a flamboyant moustache.
Other than the womb collector theory (debunked by the taking of the kidney), he's a very unlikely Ripper. His book is fun though. : )
The Ripper didn't sexually assault any of the victims, though. That actually works in Tumblety's favor.
Agreed. Almost certainly not the Ripper. He doesn't fit the profile. 90% of the suspects don't fit.
@@jeffreyriley8742 Post-mortem sexual assault is how I'd classify these crimes. Were he a serial killer, I feel Tumblety would be more like Jeffrey Dahmer or Luca Magnotta - killing men.
Didn't he walk in the shadows of the slums dressed like a homeless man when he had no call too while possessing a weird hatred of women lol
@@lyndoncmp5751 well considering the police had evidence that we no longer have access too maybe something there would've painted a different picture lol
How common was it going from Britain to the US and back then? Sometimes it's described like taking a bus across town.
That's because we don't talk day to day it's much more easier and common going back and forward today but there would've been daily boats going too and from there and remember this man was loaded with cash lol
It was the age of ocean liners and the wealthy as well as the lower classes traveled that way. As a matter of fact it was really the only way for families from the “Old Country” to visit relatives in the United States.
WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE LECHMERE THEORY?
It's an interesting theory, James.
Lechmere's my suspect.
Because you watched one documentary? Great research! Brexit voter by any chance?
@@beniteztheconman Brexit voter? WTF? I think she knows more than most dude. You represent those who absolutely fall arse over tit to discredit the Lechmere theory for maybe another reason other than just disagreeing perhaps? Come on...spill!
@@beniteztheconman I mean even the reason for saying it was only that documentary it still does highlight that he 100% is the prime suspect for that murder and the police never even questioned him.
After time and time again ,I think Mr. Sims is the most brilliant mind among these men.
Interesting, and quite a lot of research involved, more than Tumblety deserved. Too much time gone and not enough facts to ever figure out who performed these horrible murders. I think if Scotland Yard had these files, they would have just said they did, but they should conclusively say yeah or nay for the record.
He actually DOES look allot like the suspect in the sketch of the man last seen with Mary Kelley just before she was miudered!
It would be fantastic if the most notorious serial killer known to us was named "Tumblety". Tumblety, Tumblety, Tumblety....sounds like a modifier in a Winnie The Pooh story.
Why would he only murder in London? It's hard to believe that he could control himself so rigorously, and then stop altogether afterward.
That is the subject of my next book and documentary. You will love it.
Looks like I have reading to catch up on, Michael!!
Wow. If the "Great American Doctor" lived today, I think his name would be Dr. Bullshit!...lol.
Lol!
@357lockdown - There's still a lot of crackpots peddling bullshit in this day and age, and getting very wealthy too!
TUMBLETY CONFESSION IS IN : A SKETCH OF THE LIFE OF DR. FRANCIS TUMBLETY.
Have you seen the picture of the walking stick they have just found, given to abberline, carved with jtr face ? Just looking through photos, (lechmere) and saw a photo that would fit, one Charles reeves. Lived in the area, on the vigilante committee, out at night ? Worth a quick check ! Pat.
Early 1970's started taken trips to London at least once or twice a year.
It was stated that the ‘doctor’ always traveled with an assistant. Who was the assistant, or assistants, who accompanied him to London during the Whitechapel events? If the good doctor was in gaol during one of the murders, it seems to be a strategy to exonerate him of any involvement. Too many circumstantial ‘coincidences’ for my liking. For various stated reasons I’d put my money on the ‘good doctor’ here. Thanks for listening.
If you did read somewhere that Tumblety always traveled with an assistant, then don't read it any further. This is a mistake. I have sworn testimony of one of his young men who stated that Tumblety NEVER walked with a person at night. Also, he was not in Gaol prison, ever. He was in Holloway prison between November 14 and November 16, but that is it.
Tumblety not only publicised himself as a Doctor, but also a Chemist. It was the latter that concerned Scotland Yard and, likely, earlier interest by the IRB. The Yard’s ‘Anti-Subversion Unit” kept a close watch on Tumblety, when in England, to ensure he wasn’t making explosives. “Ripper Country”, the East End of London was the haunt of many radical groups, socialist, communist, anarchist, republican, workers clubs.
There is no evidence that Tumblety was a chemist. Honestly. If you read that somewhere, I can guarantee they do not support it with evidence. Also, there is no evidence that he ever cared for a cause, with the exception of him. He was a narcissist.
Mr. Hawley, this video mentions a 'new' person on the scene described as very red hair & mustache, short in height, an attention getter and looking for Francis Tumblety. Excuse me if I missed something but happened with that? Was he possibly Aaron Kosminski? They were both Barbers and the video mentions that Tumblety may have recruited someone to kill the women in Whitechapel for him.
PS Barbers use leather aprons. But so do Cobblers, Bar Tenders, Black Smiths, Wood Workers, etc..
Hi Debbie. There actually is evidence that if Tumblety was involved he may have exploited someone. Knowing Dr. T, he only exploited young men (and then would molest them) and there were numerous cases. There are, however, no cases he partnered with someone like Kosminski.
He's not the killer....but he was
Aiding the killer ...probably hired dude to do his dirty work to collect fresh body parts for his weird obsession.... also think he was look out and that why killer was never caught....
You’re close, it’s correct
Did they ever compare Tumblety's handwriting with the Jack the Ripper letter?
5:48, a writer on Tumblety.
I think the ripper was Jacob Rees-mogg
He went to Rochester? UK?
Tumblety wasn’t the murderer, he was the commissioner….
Jack was a local man, below average height, about 30, heterosexual. Tumblety was a foreigner, over six feet tall, 55, homosexual.
definitely devious
Good video but I don’t think that Tumblety was Jack The Ripper
I honestly don't believe any of the main suspects are the Ripper.
if it was not him where did the rings come from?.
There were 4 murders earlier before T arrived in London. dates 25/2/88. 28/3/88. 3/4/88. 6/8/88. Possibly could eliminate FT as he arrived May 2088. However, FT was in London during the 5 incidents.
Interesting enough for me to listen twice!
I've had a browse about the internet though, and can't find anything about Francis Tumblety being 'a hermaphrodite'. And if he did have syphilis, he could hardly blame female prostitutes - possessing an incredibly tiny male member.
The point about him not being unusually tall, because of his hat, was odd too. At a time when just about everyone wore hats, surely the police and witnesses would be able to judge heights? Also, his age in 1888 would have been 55, and that counts him out too.
I liked Mr Hawley's enthusiasm though, and it's great to hear about a man who lived a very unusual life.
LOL I'm glad I'm not the only one that watches these over and over. He's second to none as a storyteller and researcher. at times he sounds like he was there.
In each major city, when there was a problem with syphilis amongst the female prostitutes, syphilis also spread throughout the young male prostitutes. Every young man who Tumblety maintained a sexual relationship later got married and had kids. Point - most the young male prostitutes had sex with both males and females. Tumblety clearly contracted syphilis from a male prostitute, but remember, women were the root cause of all disease. He not only blamed female prostitutes for the syphilis outbreak, he blamed female prostitutes for "decoying" young males into a life of heterosexuality. ...based up Tumblety's own words.
@@michaelhawley2283 he wasn't a nice man. But I do admire his whiskers 🙂
@@blrenx this channel is about murder and extreme poverty, but his voice is nice and soothing, and makes it all ok! I love these videos.
People with micro penis father children, therefore it follows they can get STDs. Indeed the gross indecency charges against him all point to the various sodomy laws of the time. That is normally suggestive of acts against receptive partners.
His confession, A Sketch of the Life of Dr. Francis Tumblety.. preface, first few pages sums it up..
A mind without the capacity of wonder represents a dull pair of specticles."
53:26, what was his motivation?
I have always believed Tumblety was the Whitechapel murderer ever since watching a documentary on PC Evans' discovery of the Littlechild letter.
Damn I wish I could see this great american doctor to ease my shoulder pain
Just not at night and in a crowd.
Considering the mind of the act towards those women has always baffled the case, it certainly could fit Tumblety with lower half of his body of female form, that for sure screw him up, and being gay in those times, the more stuff is known about him, his mind fits the crimes. Really good episode.
Pleased you enjoyed it, Andrew.
Personally I lean towards Charles Lechmere as JTR. That said, they were both complete psychopaths.
Good video,I've always the story coroner baxters came with was strange to say the least.. surely the sub curator of the London medical school would contact the police themselves and not a coroner,if they thought they had information they deemed valuable for the murder investigation.coroner Baxter was interfering with the investigation by making public his 'story'.
Proof of all CLAIMS Required.
IF Tumblety was involved I don't Believe he committed the murders himself - the younger Man said to travel with Francis could have been perfect for job .
Its good this one innit! Tumblety fits that theory doesn't he that Wynne Baxter aluded to as early as the 26th September. A lot with him depends on wether Colonel Dunham was telling the truth about him or not. I'd rule him out as the main culprit meself like Littlechild appeared to do calling him a psycho sexualis. Out of all the theories out there i still think Wynne Baxters fits the best. Bit like Burke and Hare about 60 years before.
I kind of think it’s Charles cross (lechmere)
DNA evidence has recently determined that the White Chapel 💈 Barber, Aaron Kosminski is Jack the Ripper.
What is your source please?
The DNA evidence is from a shawl that may not have even been owned by the supposed victim. Also, the type of DNA test done is one that can only exclude a particular suspect, it can't identify one.
Too many UA-cam experts who don't actually study the evidence . It's been widely said that there was no proof the shawl was the victims .
23:46, how Tumblety came to be suspected of the crimes.
Groin itch, a napping credits.
JTR would have had to be able to do several things. He would have had to walk very softly on cobblestone streets because the sound would echo at night. So that means he would have been very quiet. He would have had to know how to overpower the women without them screaming. Which means he had to not only be quiet, he had to do it quickly. And the alleys might have been dark, so he would have needed light to be able to fish around inside of the women to get out body organs. Which person or type of person would be trained to quietly sneak up on an enemy and murder them before they could make a sound and then cut them open with a knife knowing where to cut.
There is only one type of person, a soldier trained as a medic. It is almost like he was a ninja.
There would have been no need to “sneak up “ on the victims nor would the dark streets been a problem IF the perpetrator was known by the victims and lived in the area. The perpetrator would have been completely invisible to investigators if he was really a “she”.
46:47, an interesting account.
Modern theorist say they doubt Jack was a Doctor and or a member of the upper class. What do you fine people think about that assessment?
I think it is probably correct, James.
Yes.. more likely a local worker.
If he was the JtR killer, why wait til he git to England? Are there reports of murders in Ontario that are similiar in nature?
That handlebar mustache of Tumblety’s would have stuck out like a sore thumb on the streets of Whitechapel, and as I recall none of the JTR witnesses described a man with a massive mustache and an American accent.
Maybe he put it in his pocket when he was killing them.
@@richardbaranowski A good point, although there is also the fact that Tumblety was in his fifties at the time of the JTR killings, The Ripper was described as a man in his twenties to his thirties by witnesses, also Tumblety was a man over six feet tall, JTR was described as being a man of average height.
The NY World reporter who interviewed Tumblety in January 1889 stated he had a British accent. I don't recall any witnesses who saw the murderer. No one did. MacNaghten even stated that NO ONE saw the murderer.
@@cha5 , again, no one saw the murders. Also, it is a misconception that Tumblety was over 6 feet tall. If you want to know how tall he was, look at this own autobiography. His height was nearly identical to Macnaghten's Michael Ostrog.
@@michaelhawley2283 Joseph Lawende, who saw a man with Cathrine Eddowes in Mitre Square 15 minutes before her death very likely saw JTR,
George Hutchenson also saw a man with Mary Kelly on the night of her death who might or might not have been the Ripper,
Israel Schwartz most certainly saw the man who killed Elizabeth Stride, Among some other possible witnesses,
What MacNaghten stated is irrelevant there and I don’t view his opinion on everything JTR related as gospel.
Witness descriptions describe a man of average height with a small mustache,
Nothing on the scale of a massive handlebar one ala Tumblety, and there is the matter of his age,
Just about all the witness descriptions of JTR describe a man who was in his twenties or thirties, younger than Tumblety at that time who would have been in his late fifties.
If you don't recall any witnesses who likely saw The Ripper you haven't looked hard enough.
I've always believed that Tumblety was Jack the Ripper bc in a UA-cam video I watched a # of years ago stated that Tumblety was staying in a boarding house close to the ripper murders & that witnesses living in the boarding house would see him coming back to his room during each of the murders covered in blood!After the last murder the video stated that Tumblety fled to New York where not long after having arrived there a murder took place that was alot like the white chapel murders!Some time after that it's said that he disappeared & was never seen or heard from again in regards to his so called quack doctor trade & only coming back into being talked about after his death!
I think that with all the information divulged in this video , it 's very likelly that FT was in fact the Ripper 🔪🔪