The Day The Gauge Changed

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  • Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
  • The completion of the transcontinental railroad in 1869 was not the only amazing feat of American railroad engineering in history. In 1886, railways in the south managed to convert the gauge on an estimated 11,500 miles of track in a period of just 36 hours. The History Guy remembers the 1886 Southern Railroad Gauge Change, an important moment in railroad history.
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  • @spconrad9612
    @spconrad9612 2 роки тому +443

    11,500 mi of track moved in 36 hours and never a peep in any type of history class or mention in a trivial way.
    Thanks History Guy, this was amazing information.

    • @calfeggs
      @calfeggs 2 роки тому +34

      And these days something like that would take 10 years before being half completed and canceled for being over budget.

    • @screamingpencil
      @screamingpencil 2 роки тому +30

      @@calfeggs The environmental impact studies would take 10 years before anybody even picked up a tool.

    • @howler6490
      @howler6490 2 роки тому +4

      Who did the labour?

    • @spconrad9612
      @spconrad9612 2 роки тому +9

      The laborers? 😊

    • @mond000
      @mond000 2 роки тому +8

      To give an accurate description of what never happened is the proper occupation of the historian. - Orson Wells

  • @cedricgist7614
    @cedricgist7614 2 роки тому +12

    This was fascinating! I was blessed to work around rail operations twice in my career, so this topic was of interest. I got here watching a video on the Vanderbilt family. As this video proceeded, I recalled reading S.E. Ambrose's book on the building of the transcontinental railroad.
    I also enjoyed watching "Thomas the Tank Engine" with my niece when she was growing up.
    I remember the fear I experienced during the two weeks I trained to be a "ground man" - like a switchman - at a facility in Centreville, Illinois. When you're right up on the railcars, boarding and deboarding, counting down cars for coupling, connecting and disconnecting brake hoses, counting down car strings to avoid derailments at the end of tracks - it's exciting and frightening.
    One night, near the end of my training, the hostler - switch engine operator - fell asleep at the controls after a double shift. He didn't respond to my radio calls and the switch engine was going to pass a switch and roll into the main line. I had to run and hop on the switch engine to wake him so he could stop before he passed the switch point and derailed.
    You'd have to have been there - I couldn't just switch the points at that particular junction.
    Anyway, I appreciated this report. It's mind boggling that they could convert over 11K miles of track in 36 hours at that time.

  • @brenthill3241
    @brenthill3241 6 років тому +26

    I have always felt that a 200 ton 16 foot high locomotive running on a track gauge with the center line of the wheels approximately the same as the track width of a Toyota Corolla is insane.

    • @anullhandle
      @anullhandle 2 роки тому +4

      @@Greatdome99 Some modern rails are mounted with essentially a piece of milk jug, sneaker sole, boiled nylon block and a paperclip...and it works just fine. (OK it's a pretty thick paperclip but still)

    • @racketman2u
      @racketman2u 2 роки тому

      That just made me wonder why we don't see more Toyota Corollas on the tracks, it might make commuting easier.

    • @anvilsvs
      @anvilsvs Рік тому

      Until you encounter the locomotive coming your way---

  • @mhtyler
    @mhtyler 2 роки тому +4

    You managed to make a guage switch on railroads interesting. Amazing.

  • @frogandspanner
    @frogandspanner 2 роки тому +10

    1:28 That is the Salamanca, which operated on the Middleton Railway (Leeds, UK) - the oldest continuously operating railway in the world. I grew up near there, and there were old tracks scattered around, and the remnants of a rope haulage system system from the early days. I wish I'd 'rescued' some if the items.

  • @frankdn109
    @frankdn109 6 років тому +280

    I learned the seven-P principle from Uncle Sam's Boating Society:
    Proper Prior Planning Prevents Piss-Poor Performance.

    • @davidharris6581
      @davidharris6581 6 років тому +13

      Or as George Patton, the man who moved more faster than anyone in history said. "The way to go fast is to go slow first!"

    • @yereverluvinuncleber
      @yereverluvinuncleber 5 років тому +7

      No! Prior Preparation and Planning prevents piss poor performance.

    • @alitlweird
      @alitlweird 5 років тому

      frankdn #Practice.

    • @malcolmpenny5342
      @malcolmpenny5342 5 років тому +1

      Proper prior planning prevents piss-poor pathetic performance

    • @HighSpeedNoDrag
      @HighSpeedNoDrag 5 років тому +1

      Right On!

  • @MrRandyh59
    @MrRandyh59 6 років тому +835

    My wife says my brain has a wealth of useless info. I have to agree, thanks to guys like you.

    • @bigblue6917
      @bigblue6917 6 років тому +31

      I'm the same. Maybe the three of use should start our on UA-cam channel. Useless Information You Didn't Know about. Kinda catchy don't you think :)

    • @TheHistoryGuyChannel
      @TheHistoryGuyChannel  6 років тому +202

      My wife is a newspaper reporter. If useless information is truly wealth, we're Billionaires...

    • @bigblue6917
      @bigblue6917 6 років тому +13

      Does this mean we have to split the profits four ways.

    • @dannyholt105
      @dannyholt105 6 років тому +8

      Nope, five ways! I'm in now too. Cheers, Dan

    • @bigblue6917
      @bigblue6917 6 років тому +8

      Okay. Team name. How about we call ourselves The Professors. Having just read that I feel there is something missing. Something to express our wealth of useless information. Maybe something like "The Professors of the Nonfunctional" perhaps.

  • @peterlockwood3428
    @peterlockwood3428 2 роки тому +82

    Great story but In the background part of the story, when the ‘edge rails’ replaced the ‘L’ section plate ways what was skipped over was the significance of the effect of a slightly coned wheel rolling on a rounded rail head.
    I have never been able to work out who invented this or first realised that this interaction would permit trains to negotiate bends, allowing for the fact that the outside wheels have to cover a greater distance but that the inner ones the two would always be locked together on a fixed axle.
    Perhaps the invention of coned wheels and rounded rail heads could be a subject for a future ‘History Guy’ video. I think this is essential to the story of railroads (railways) and why this technology still works very well with modern high-speed trains and yet little understood even by rail enthusiasts.
    Peter, Leeds, UK

    • @jul1440
      @jul1440 2 роки тому +1

      I'd certainly watch that.
      Greetings from New Mexico!

    • @williamshockley7692
      @williamshockley7692 2 роки тому +2

      *The interesting engineering behind the SHAPE of Train wheels* !
      22,613,173 views Dec 28, 2021 *Lesics* ua-cam.com/video/XzgryPhtc1Y/v-deo.html

    • @robinwells8879
      @robinwells8879 2 роки тому +1

      @@williamshockley7692 thanks for that but I definitely prefer the history guys accent! Well done with the invention of the transistor by the way!😉

    • @williamshockley7692
      @williamshockley7692 2 роки тому

      @@robinwells8879 Thank you very kindly for the acknowledgement of my efforts. You're quite welcome although I must confess that I shared the development of the transistor with my fellow scientists and co-inventors yet we did in fact inadvertently destroy the domestic vacuum tube manufacturing industry as a consequence which had been foreseen according to Schumpeter's creative destruction theory of economic value creation. However it's the legacy of my research contributions into the study of the positive correlation *(0.6)* of genetics(genotype), race(phenotype), and IQ(psychometric testing) which I believe to be my greatest scientific contribution and lasting societal impact.

    • @peterlockwood3428
      @peterlockwood3428 2 роки тому +2

      @@williamshockley7692 Thank you for this William. I have seen other videos explaining the effect with plastic cups etc. Not sure the science is quite correct here but inferring that the coned wheel design was developed [by Siemens] for DB's ICE trains. This engineering principle was known well over a hundred years ago. What I would like to know is who deserves the credit for it - I don't think it is any of the big names in railway history. Incidentally, Lesics doesn't mention that on all modern railways the rails an canted to the centre at about the same angle as the coning, ie 1:20, 1:22 etc. Peter

  • @Scott-hb1xn
    @Scott-hb1xn 5 років тому +491

    And yet a simple repair to any small section of Rt. 95 takes months...

    • @grumpyguy2877
      @grumpyguy2877 5 років тому +10

      👍😂🤣😂🤣

    • @twillison8824
      @twillison8824 5 років тому +21

      @@grumpyguy2877 and rail work takes even longer. If the highway and railway workers didn't make such good money maybe they would work more quickly.

    • @sonnypruitt6639
      @sonnypruitt6639 4 роки тому +15

      Months! MONTHS!!! Try years! I-95 in Philadelphia, between Girard Ave and Allegheny Ave (3mi) has been under construction for seven years now, with no signs of completion!

    • @algrayson8965
      @algrayson8965 4 роки тому +10

      The predominant southern gage was 5’-0” but many other gages were in use. Southern railways often ran from a mine or a cotton mill to the river and did not connect to other railways. Gage was typically set by the equipment being purchased.
      The East Tennessee and Western North Carolina RR was 3’-0”, abandoned in 1950, unusual east of the Rockies.

    • @rogerhwerner6997
      @rogerhwerner6997 4 роки тому +24

      @@twillison8824 right! And by this logic, if the workers were enslaved (naturally working from dawn to dusk and getting whipped) they'd probably work even faster. No question slavery provides the most efficient workforce and the greatest profits to owners. Maybe you were born in the wrong century.

  • @wmeemw994
    @wmeemw994 2 роки тому

    Nationalization of gauges &
    standardization building of the U.S. railroad system is a fascinating story of industry expertise to develop & produce safe & efficient transportation without governmental interference until the standards are set for economical operation in absence of regulation.
    Thank You for explaining this predecessor system of Union Pacific, Southern Pacific, Illinois Central, Burlington Northern, Santa Fe, Norfolk Southern, Baltimore & Ohio, Pennsylvania Central, Erie Lackawanna, New York Central, Amtrak, Conrail, etc. railroads.

  • @McRocket
    @McRocket 6 років тому +4

    Absolutely fascinating. 36 hours - 11,500 miles of track?!? Astounding.
    Thank you very much for this.

    • @brianveillard436
      @brianveillard436 2 роки тому

      It is similar to the changeover by the UK's Great Western Railway from Broad gauge to standard gauge over one weekend. Gangs had a certain length of track to change, ie move one rail nearer the other and rebuild any point grouping.

  • @chrispza
    @chrispza 6 років тому +167

    Immensely interesting. Thank you.
    What you didn't explicitly state, was, narrower gauges could turn tighter turns, which is an advantage, especially in mountainous terrain.

    • @wekapeka3493
      @wekapeka3493 4 роки тому +21

      Also in mountainous territory the narrower gauge means less material to shift to create the line.

    • @mortalclown3812
      @mortalclown3812 2 роки тому +1

      Cool to know.

    • @doctorhabilthcjesus4610
      @doctorhabilthcjesus4610 2 роки тому +16

      Narrower gauges have also lighter axles and less unsprung mass. That's why high speed rail is better done with standard gauge than with broad gauge.
      It is also possible to run heavy ore and coal trains with heavy axle loads on 1000 mm and 1067 mm gauge if the sleepers are long enough.
      In former times it was not possible to fit wide fireboxes or very powerful traction motors between the wheels of narrower gauges, but these days you have compact asynchronous motors that fit even between the wheels on 1000 mm gauge, so there are no longer any real benefits from using broad gauge. Look at indian, spanish or irish loading gauges -- they are comparable to what you can see on standard gauge or the slightly wider russian gauge, so in reality nobody makes use of the possibilities that come with the increased stability.

    • @garethrandall6589
      @garethrandall6589 2 роки тому +10

      @@doctorhabilthcjesus4610 It seems that narrow guage forces lower speed though. I've seen videos of Brazilian freight trains on narrow guage and you could see the cars wobble even though they were running very slow. Conversely I've seen videos of double stacked containers on Indian railways (only recently introduced on a few lines) and you couldn't see the wobble even at high speed.

    • @doctorhabilthcjesus4610
      @doctorhabilthcjesus4610 2 роки тому +8

      @@garethrandall6589 There are also videos of north american standard gauge cargo trains where you can see cars wobble on very low speeds over badly maintained branch lines. There are also videos of swiss metre gauge trains (Rhätische Bahn) or austrian Bosna-Gauge trains (760 mm, Zillertalbahn, Mariazellerbahn) which are running very smoothly and relatively fast. Or look how fast the 750-mm-railway Liesetal-Waldenburg ran before regauging (up to 75 km/h). The line Liesetal-Waldenburg is currently being regauged to metre gauge, not because of speed, but for the use of standardized rolling stock, connecting to a metre gauge tramway and better fitting traction motors and brakes between the wheels. Look at japanese narrow gauge trains and how well that railway system works. There are also some impressive trains on 1067 mm in south africa and australia, take the Queensland Rail's Electric Tilt Train for example.
      The brazilian network seems to be badly maintained. If your track is badly maintained, then you need to crawl slowly even on Brunel gauge, and if your tack is well built and maintained, you can run incredible speeds and cargo loads even on metre gauge or 750 mm.
      OK ok, on indian broad gauge you could run trains with a loading gauge 6 .. 8 m wide and 10 .. 12 m high, but nobody does this. In fact, all current loading gauges on standard gauge are restricted by bridges, tunnels, overhead wire height and the roofs of railway stations. The indians managed it to get more headroom for their dedicated freight corridors? Yea nice, congratulations. I whish we could widen all our tunnels and bridges in europe to do the same, but that's not possible.

  • @No1sonuk
    @No1sonuk 2 роки тому +196

    In case you're wondering why it's not 4 feet 8 inches: The wheel flanges ARE spaced like that. The extra half inch of rail spacing was added to reduce binding on curves.

    • @MarkInLA
      @MarkInLA 2 роки тому +16

      That's what I always thought happened.. They made the track 0.5" wider-spaced (gauged) so as to allow for sideways play while rockin' and rollin' along, track itself not ever perfectly level along the right of way...
      If both same, eventual premature wear on both the flanges and rail head, in other words, introducing leeway to prevent such...

    • @phaedrusbjb
      @phaedrusbjb 2 роки тому +41

      @@MarkInLA even more going on there. on railroad curves, since there is no differential on train wheels, binding as one wheel tries to rotate faster than the other would be an obvious problem. rail wheels running surface is not cylindrical, but slightly tapered, thicker toward the center. as the wheel trucks enter a curve, speed, centrifugal force and that taper combine to effectively make the inner wheel smaller, the outer wheel bigger. there has to be spare room between the flanges and the rails outboard for that shift to occur. that's one reason why train curves all have an ideal speed - which allows sufficient centrifugal force to shift the wheelset to the outside of the curve for the differential effect. too slow, and the wheels scream (cue wear).

    • @sheikowi
      @sheikowi 2 роки тому +4

      Then why not modify the wheels? Someone was lazy?

    • @No1sonuk
      @No1sonuk 2 роки тому +12

      @@sheikowi At the time, it was easier to move the rails.

    • @LastDaysADDaniel
      @LastDaysADDaniel 2 роки тому +5

      and it's only a 1/4 inch on each side.

  • @donaldfifer2401
    @donaldfifer2401 6 років тому +1

    I got one for you History Guy... I was stationed on Okinawa 76-79. As it was under U.S. control after WW2, it was set up like the U.S. However, when it was returned to Japanese control in the early 70's, they wanted to switch it to the Japanese right hand drive. They worked for two years installing road signs and traffic lights, then covering them up with bags. ALL traffic on the island stopped (I seem to remember at midnight on the 6th) and, at 700 A.M. on 7/7/77, it started back up on the other side of the road. Through the night, thousands of workers removed the bags on the new signs and signals and reinstalled them on the old ones. Needless to say, it was total insanity for weeks with people driving on the wrong side of the road!!! And I had a right hand drive car when it was U.S. and left hand drive shortly after the change, so I was always on the wrong side.

  • @rickowens396
    @rickowens396 2 роки тому +10

    History guy, I thought you were going to nail it. 4' 8" on Roman roads was due to the width of 2 horses. Thats why everything else pivots there.

    • @davidhimmelsbach557
      @davidhimmelsbach557 2 роки тому +2

      It even goes back to chariots, centuries before the Roman Empire.

    • @tracylemme1375
      @tracylemme1375 2 роки тому +4

      The Space Shuttle boaster size was determined by the rail size. Therefore the Space Shuttle’s size was determined by two horse’s asses.

    • @phatphuk2761
      @phatphuk2761 2 роки тому

      @@tracylemme1375 LOL!!!!

  • @burke615
    @burke615 6 років тому +128

    Just a couple days ago I was talking with a friend of mine about train gauges, and whether the US ever had to switch gauge at any point. That UA-cam then suggested this video to me today convinces me that my iPhone is bugged. :-P
    As someone trained in mechanical engineering, I am astounded at their ability to switch so seamlessly and rapidly. Thanks for the lesson!

    • @dobypilgrim6160
      @dobypilgrim6160 6 років тому +12

      burke615 The same thing has happened to me several times. Each time talking on my phone with my brother or friends. And in each case I had never done an internet search on the topic. They are indeed listening, methinks.

    • @Ni999
      @Ni999 6 років тому +1

      Yeah. Your phones are bugged.
      No possible way the suggestion was driven by an interest trend by others watching unrelated videos and sharing other common interests with you. That would be too logical.
      You're correct that you're being profiled in detail. But it's far more efficient than taking a personal interest in your conversations.

    • @burke615
      @burke615 6 років тому +6

      Actually, I think it's far more likely that it's simply a case of counting hits and ignoring misses. For instance, in my case I remembered the conversation I had which came up in a recommended UA-cam video, but don't remember the hundreds of conversations that didn't similarly have a video associated with those topics.

    • @dlbstl
      @dlbstl 6 років тому +14

      I have an Android in this is happened at least three times. I'll randomly be talking to somebody, not on my phone but near my phone. And then a short time later I'll see a video on that topic, which was pretty unique.

    • @PrimetimeNut
      @PrimetimeNut 5 років тому +6

      Perhaps it’s confirmation bias, but sometimes the coincidence just seems too strange...

  • @stevedoubleu99B
    @stevedoubleu99B 2 роки тому +21

    I am in UK. Although I am familiar with the British gauge situation, I had no idea of the US gauge history. Extremely fascinating and educational. Thank you, History Guy.

    • @DistanceNsVeterans
      @DistanceNsVeterans 3 місяці тому

      Yes we have standard gauge Locomotives, But dont let that trick you as we have created them to be massive.

  • @davidcool140
    @davidcool140 5 років тому +32

    This is one of the most interesting channels on UA-cam that I’ve had the pleasure of viewing. Thank you for your hard work!

  • @crossleydd42
    @crossleydd42 5 років тому +14

    A couple of points worth making. The British Great Western Railway (GWR) was built by Brunel, who settled on 7 ft and a quarter inch track gauge. The GWR gradually changed their track over the years with many of their lines having a third rail, so that trains of both gauges could run. By 1892, only the final section of the line to Penzance, running through Devon and Cornwall, was still broad gauge.
    13 miles of sidings were built at Swindon, Wiltshire and all the remaining broad gauge rolling stock moved here - a total of 195 locomotives, 748 passenger carriages and 3,400 goods wagons. Here they awaited their fate, either conversion to standard gauge or scrapping. Before the changeover, as much advance work as possible was done, followed by the incredible feat of organisation and logistics that meant that that line was only closed for two days.
    In Europe, the former USSR Region, Spain and Ireland started off with non-standard rail gauges. In the case of Spain, when new, high-speed lines have been built, these have been to standard gauge to allow inter-country working. In the Republic of Ireland (Southern), many ex-British Rail coaches were imported in the past, but were put onto Irish bogies. Because they bodywork was narrower, the bogies stuck out from the bodies and there was a wider gap between coach and platform edge and one had to be careful.

  • @blindshiva2826
    @blindshiva2826 5 років тому +4

    Thanks for the great story and telling it well.
    Today, it seems to be implausible that our divided country will ever get back on track.

  • @TheEulerID
    @TheEulerID 2 роки тому +26

    Whatever James Watt's achievements were, they were not the creation of steam engines suited to railway locomotives. His inventions were all to do with with static engines, introducing the separate condenser to greatly improve the thermodynamic efficiency of the atmospheric engine and then the addition of low pressure steam to the down-stroke thereby inventing the double-action steam engine. However, these remained bulky, relatively low powered engines for their size, for which the high-pressure steam engine was required. James Watt, and his business partner, who had grown wealthy on royalties from their patents, were opposed to the concept citing safety concerns (not without some justification at the time). Watt made steam power practical in mines and factories, not for transport.
    For pioneering the high-pressure steam engine, including the first fire-tube boiler, we have to credit Cornishman Richard Trevithick, who produced the first working steam railway locomotive, albeit not a really practicable one. That required improvements to the fire-tube boiler, pioneered in Lancashire and brought together by the Northumbrian, George Stephenson with the steam blast pipe with the famous Rocket.

    • @freebornjohn2687
      @freebornjohn2687 2 роки тому +2

      Standing engines are still an thing of wonder and well worth having for the sound alone.

    • @21mozzie
      @21mozzie 2 роки тому

      I came here to say this.

  • @adoreslaurel
    @adoreslaurel 6 років тому +5

    In Australia New South Wales used the Standard Gauge, but Victoria, just to be different??? adopted the Irish gauge of 5'3" however, fortunately fitting a rail inside the broad gauge line allowed the track to cater for both gauges to run on the same lines.

    • @lindsaycostelloe5013
      @lindsaycostelloe5013 5 років тому +1

      NSW and Victoria had originally agreed to use 5’ 3” gauge (Irish standard) but NSW had a change of personnel and switched to British standard 4’ 8.5”. The Victorians had already ordered their rolling stock from the UK at the time and opted to stay with the broad gauge.

  • @faelwolf1177
    @faelwolf1177 4 роки тому +12

    4'8" standard gauge was not based on people, it was based on the Roman roads, which in turn were based on horses, two horses side by side pulling a cart or chariot in the pole harness of the time requires a wheelbase of 4'8".

  • @carmium
    @carmium 4 роки тому

    That gas-flame ring illustrated was, in fact, used for replacing worn steel "tires" on locomotive wheels. By heating the tires, they would expand enough to be knocked off or slid on with minimal difficulty. They would then contract onto the cast wheel and hold very tightly. When narrowing a gauge, as here, it was possible to replace the original tires with deeper, or wider, ones so that the flange sat inboard of the original setting and allowed the engine to run on narrower tracks. The wider running surface would overhang the rail, but this didn't normally cause any problems.

  • @jamesbrown4092
    @jamesbrown4092 6 років тому +167

    On a side note to the varying railway gauges there was a horrific incident in 1867 that resulted from mismatched gauges. A train derailed in Angola, New York and one of the passenger cars went down an embankment. The cars were heated by coal burning stoves and illuminated by kerosene lamps. Stoves, lamps, and passengers where all thrown together by the impact, and almost 50 people were burned to death in what became know as the Angola Horror.
    If you like to play around with alternate history, one passenger who was supposed to be on the train, but missed it by a few minutes was John D. Rockefeller. This accident occurred before he founded Standard Oil, and several years before John Jr. - father of New York Governor and US VP Nelson - was born.

    • @RobertWMannOkie
      @RobertWMannOkie 5 років тому +7

      That ‘the photographs were public domain from the age of steam,’ is a cop out. There are plenty of Creative Commons Photos on the American Continent without bringing in photos from the UK and India. Would this same logic be applied to a story of the Wright Brothers? Such a story could be illustrated with Russian MiG Jets or the Hindenburg in flight...I’d gladly assist in getting photos of American trains in this American Railroad Story!

    • @amboy362
      @amboy362 5 років тому +2

      I have to agree. I love his topic. Was disappointed with a lot of non-American railroad equipment photographs.

    • @WildBluntHickok
      @WildBluntHickok 5 років тому +1

      Lucky 'feller

    • @BasedBidoof
      @BasedBidoof 5 років тому

      wow that's wild

    • @christianfreedom-seeker934
      @christianfreedom-seeker934 5 років тому +5

      True! And instead of shipping the oil by railway he pioneered the oil line! Pipe it instead of ship it! Smart man!

  • @Kuntyful
    @Kuntyful 6 років тому +232

    74 dislikes?... what is there to dislike???? This is a great story... a footnote of history, but fascinating non-the-less...

    • @wmorris3484
      @wmorris3484 5 років тому +15

      He is attacking southern pride sir! Damn Yankees did this so quick I just now realized it! After Alabama repeals roe v wade and Brown v board of education we must bring back southern pride and reestablish the original Dixie gauge and seek ties to mother Russia to stop Yankee tyranny

    • @1DennisK
      @1DennisK 5 років тому +12

      It was the math. Math hurts!!!

    • @andymadden8183
      @andymadden8183 5 років тому +5

      155 dislikes now, although I don't normally do these types of easily-outdated comments.

    • @gearboxobs419
      @gearboxobs419 5 років тому +1

      Check out Napier Deltics that will f**k with you head,honest

    • @gearboxobs419
      @gearboxobs419 5 років тому +2

      How do I dislike this?

  • @rwboa22
    @rwboa22 2 роки тому +33

    Originally, the "Pennsylvania Gauge" (4 ft., 9 in.) was considered the "standard" gauge, however, the PRR would eventually switch to the accepted standard gauge of 4 ft., 8½ in., with very little need for modifying it's rolling stock.

    • @vj8234
      @vj8234 2 роки тому +1

      But just 1/2" can make a BIG difference in some things.............

    • @bluesteel8376
      @bluesteel8376 Рік тому +1

      @@vj8234 That's what she said.

    • @EllieMaes-Grandad
      @EllieMaes-Grandad 7 місяців тому

      Size matters . . . @@bluesteel8376

  • @Dave_Sisson
    @Dave_Sisson 6 років тому +208

    All lines in the state of Victoria, Australia were built to 1.6 metre broad gauge (5' 3" in American measurements) and we started converting them to standard gauge in the early 1960s. Most main lines are still broad gauge, but the lines converted to standard gauge mean we can't route freight from one side of the state to the other. If only we were able to narrow all the tracks in 36 hours rather than take 55 years to convert a third of the state. 😖

    • @smitajky
      @smitajky 6 років тому +27

      Dave, you forgot to mention that the PLANNING for this started when NSW and Vic met at the border in about 1870. So we spent 90 years planning and 60 years so far in doing the change. Better to not rush things too much. After all the Echuca road bridge has been in planning for nearly 160 years now. So that is the more normal rate of output.

    • @lachlankeddie7
      @lachlankeddie7 6 років тому +14

      Then there's Queensland having an almost entirely seperate rail network due to the whole state (Save for a single corridor in the South-East to Brisbane) being of Narrow Gauge...

    • @StephenDart
      @StephenDart 6 років тому +3

      I wonder what gauge the line to the airport will be?

    • @martynspeck
      @martynspeck 6 років тому +10

      I'm guessing that in Victoria, it's the government running the project as opposed to the private companies that did it in the Southern United States in 1886?

    • @Dave_Sisson
      @Dave_Sisson 6 років тому +10

      Martyn, it's even worse. The federal government manages interstate rail tracks while the state government manages most of the rest, but the state government depends on federal government funding to pay for part of the gauge conversions.
      Meanwhile the freight trains that run on the government tracks are owned by private companies while most passenger trains are run by the state government. So getting state and federal government funding for gauge conversions at the same time is hard enough, then they have deal with a heap of train operators who don't want their train lines closed for gauge conversion for nearly a year.

  • @davidkimmel4216
    @davidkimmel4216 Рік тому

    Thank you. A very interesting page in our history. 🎉

  • @raymondlowry8564
    @raymondlowry8564 5 років тому +1

    Very interesting as usual. Nice job! Thank you.

  • @OldSloGuy
    @OldSloGuy 6 років тому +13

    Rarely mentioned is the "magic" of the standard gauge. In railroad practice, the outer rail of a curved section of track is surper-elevated to compensate for the centrifugal force of a moving train. The magic here is that one inch of super-elevation equals one degree of tilt. The work crews need only a level and a ruler (in inches) to determine the angle of tilt. Other gauges require conversion tables or unusual tools. For math whizzes remember that the trains weight is not on the actual edge of the track (the gauge), but near it. There is a 3/8 inch radius at the edge of the rail which must be accounted for, there are two rails and train wheels are cone shaped to self center on the track and minimize rubbing the wheel flange against the side of the rail. Hence, the weight is not in the middle of the rail. I am not considering any deflections here.

  • @exiled_londoner
    @exiled_londoner 2 роки тому +6

    An impressive feat of historical engineering, but the most interesting point made in this video was the last one - how the US Railway Barons' venal profiteering and pocketing of savings from simplified and cheaper railways (Instead of passing these on to their customers) had a hugely detrimental impact on the rest of the US economy. The figures given here represented a massive blockage holding up the development of the US economy at a time when it could have grown at a much greater pace, and this must have had huge long-term effects that would be felt for decades... generations even. The Railway Barons of the 1880s were the equivalent of the crooked bankers of the early 21st century, who did a similar job of sabotaging the world economy in 2008 (motivated by venal and reckless greed), and because they had the political power to make compliant and craven politicians bale them out with government money we have all been paying the bill for this ever since, while the crooked bankers continued to get even richer by pocketing untold millions in public money. We will all be paying for this for the rest of my lifetime, or until the entire system collapses in ruins.

    • @williamcharles9480
      @williamcharles9480 2 роки тому

      Then we had Trump and his Republican greed mongers pass new tax laws giving the wealthy and their corporations huge tax breaks. Tax money that could have been put to good use in helping those who were far less fortunate and for projects to repair our failing and outdated infrastructure. When the average worker is paying more yearly income tax than millionaires and many corporations including Donald J. Trump, something is very wrong. The Republicans still tout their philosophy of "trickle down economics" and how when the wealthy do well, everyone does well. Unfortunately many are still believing this old line of BS and continue casting their votes for those Republican politicians who support it. It's obvious that "trickle down economics" has never worked because history proves it and I can personally attest to the fact.

    • @oscarb9139
      @oscarb9139 2 роки тому

      The top 10% of earners pay 70% of all federal taxes collected. 32% of returns pay zero federal taxes. Those rich people are screwing everyone!

    • @exiled_londoner
      @exiled_londoner 2 роки тому

      @@oscarb9139 -
      The fact that 10% of Yankee taxpayers pay 70% of US Federal taxes (if true) is irrelevant to the point being discussed here but it's interesting that Mr Blue seizes any opportunity - however inappropriate - to leap to the defence of the wealthy, so I assume this is an automatic ideological response. If indeed the figures Mr Blue cite are correct then this is an indication of how obscene the inequalities of wealth are in the USA, especially as we may reasonably assume that the top 10% take advantage of the USA's notorious tax system which essentially allows the wealthy to avoid (or evade) paying much of the tax they should... either by dubious tax avoidance schemes or straightforward tax fraud (which is rarely investigated or prosecuted).

    • @oscarb9139
      @oscarb9139 2 роки тому

      @Exiled_Londoner 32% pay no taxes. They receive the same federal services that people paying most of the taxes do. I would say they have a pretty good deal! If the wealthy were able to use loopholes to avoid paying the taxes they should, then they would be paying nothing like the 32%at the bottom. The fact is that the wealthy, like them or not, are job creators. They buy boats, planes, homes, cars, and other fun things, built by people who get to take home a paycheck in exchange for their work.
      Pointing at the wrongs of the past doesn’t fix today’s problems. Yes, there were plenty of scoundrels in the past.
      The UK has an even better deal: "In research underlining the dual nature of Britain’s income tax structure, the Institute for Fiscal Studies said above-inflation increases in the personal allowance to £12,500 a year meant 42% of adults paid no income tax.
      The thinktank said the top 1% of all adults accounted for well over a third of income tax, adding that the tax and benefit system was progressive."
      In Yankeeland....."According to the latest data, the top 1 percent of earners in America pay 40.1 percent of federal taxes; the bottom 90 percent pay 28.6 percent.Sep 16, 2021".
      It sounds like the rich yanks pay more than the rich limeys.

    • @exiled_londoner
      @exiled_londoner 2 роки тому

      @@oscarb9139 -
      Tax systems are not comparable in the way Mr Blue seems to think. Comparisons need to take into account the number and working situations of the self-employed, the tax classification of non-domestic-residents and expatriates, the system of corporation tax, and the relationship between tax thresholds, tax credits, and Social Security payments. In the UK (and perhaps in the USA as well) it is quite possible for very poor people to pay an effective marginal rate of over 70% on any additional earnings, and in both countries it is common for low paid workers to pay a higher percentage of their income in tax (much, much higher) than the obscenely wealthy. If almost a third of workers pay no income tax then that its a mark of shame because it highlights how many people are paid disgustingly low wages - to make people like Bezos multi-billionaires. And it is no co-incidence that wealthy people often want to transfer the tax burden to consumption and sales taxes (VAT etc.) as this falls more heavily on the poor who have to spend all their income on surviving. Public Services are supposed to be for everybody and no-one gets a 'better deal' because they pay less income tax, and the fact that Mr Blue can assert this again shows his ideological mindset.
      Finally, people on ludicrously high levels of income do not 'earn' that money, they acquire it by exploiting the labour of others, skimming off the surplus value, manipulating stocks or currency exchange rates... it all comes down to the same kind of parasitism. Someone who goes out and scrubs toilets, lays bricks, or works in a factory or a shop... those people 'earn' their wages, and they also make money for the wealthy scumbags who live on their backs to buy yachts and mansions and private jets.

  • @Booboobear-eo4es
    @Booboobear-eo4es 5 років тому +44

    I went to college to be an engineer. After four+ years of working my way through college and graduating I was disappointed. Never saw a train even once.

    • @christianfreedom-seeker934
      @christianfreedom-seeker934 5 років тому +1

      What country were you in? It is almost impossible to NOT see a huge freight train with tall double stacks bearing down the main line near a highway.

    • @Booboobear-eo4es
      @Booboobear-eo4es 5 років тому +10

      @@christianfreedom-seeker934 - I meant I never saw a train in college. It was a joke. Geeez, people are dense.

    • @km3268
      @km3268 4 роки тому +3

      I got it! We always said that people went into engineering at Virginia Tech because they wanted to ride the choo-choo.

    • @robdrownyt
      @robdrownyt 4 роки тому +2

      I studied Ag Engineering, I wanted to drive farm trains. Haha ha ha.

    • @rebeccaquartieri5509
      @rebeccaquartieri5509 4 роки тому

      😂😂😂😂😂

  • @alberttibbets6567
    @alberttibbets6567 2 роки тому

    I found this fascinating, especially the planning and collaboration. Thanks.

  • @michaelmcginnis9391
    @michaelmcginnis9391 Рік тому

    It is my understanding that standard gauge came about prior to the steam locomotive in Great Britain. Horse draw trains were used to move Northern coal to ports for shipping throughout the country - the 4'8' width allowed enough room for the hauling horse (tie this to Roman Chariot axles). These coal roads did not use full width sleepers.

  • @augustreigns9716
    @augustreigns9716 6 років тому +109

    you are the incarnation of Mr. Peabody.

    • @WhiteCamry
      @WhiteCamry 5 років тому +9

      He's the love child of Mr. Peabody and Sherman.

    • @garryrainey6300
      @garryrainey6300 5 років тому +3

      I wonder how many people didn’t get your comment! Well Done 😂

    • @tom7601
      @tom7601 5 років тому +7

      Robert Ratskywatsky: Don't get your knickers in a knot over it, its known as comedy...

    • @andyboybennett
      @andyboybennett 5 років тому +4

      @Robert Ratskywatsky Do you think maybe it was a joke?

    • @satanofficial3902
      @satanofficial3902 4 роки тому +1

      Someone here is humor-challenged...

  • @andrewemery4272
    @andrewemery4272 6 років тому +63

    Super! I've been a railway enthusiast for 45yrs, and had never heard of this!

    • @dsmith9964
      @dsmith9964 5 років тому

      @Craig F. Thompson SPRINT is Southern Pacific Railroad Internal Network Telegraph....so I've read.

    • @dsmith9964
      @dsmith9964 5 років тому

      @Craig F. Thompson I don't know. Could be!!

  • @DonJoyce
    @DonJoyce 2 роки тому +12

    OK, that's just an insanely incredible achievement. Imagine how long such a change would require now.

    • @johnschuh8616
      @johnschuh8616 Рік тому +3

      Yes. The federal government would be involved.

    • @asullivan4047
      @asullivan4047 7 місяців тому

      I'd be in my grave 20 years. & it still wouldn't be finished.😲

  • @1971bdott
    @1971bdott 6 років тому +1

    Great story thanks

  • @scottmitcheltree4182
    @scottmitcheltree4182 6 років тому +2

    Very interesting. I had no idea. Thank you History Guy!

  • @terryhopkins2750
    @terryhopkins2750 6 років тому +15

    In Australia we still operate different gauges. This is a result of each State being a different colony before federation. Queensland has narrow gauge, Victoria broad gauge and NSW standard gauge.

    • @rogergallagher5511
      @rogergallagher5511 2 роки тому +2

      Western Australia (WA) and Tasmania also adopted narrow gauge to save costs. South Australia (SA) started off using the 5 foot 3 inch gauge following the lead of the Victorians, but then changed to the 3 foot 6 inch narrow gauge when they started building the line from Port Augusta to Alice Springs, for much the same reason as WA, QLD (Queensland) & Tasmania - cost. One effect of these different gauges is that at the time of Federation (1901) a politician from QLD wanting to travel by rail to the temporary federal capital of Melbourne (Canberra wasn't chosen as the permanent capital until 1913, and the commonwealth government didn't move there until 1927) would have to change trains at both the QLD/NSW and NSW/VIC borders.

  • @DoomerONE
    @DoomerONE 6 років тому +25

    Always amazed at the history you find, truly love this stuff. It gets addicting :)

  • @thisnicklldo
    @thisnicklldo 6 років тому +24

    Very interesting. I'm from the UK and knew nothing of this incredibly fast switch-over. Just 4 months to plan and prepare - but then they had the advantage of having no computers. A minor point, but James Watt did nothing really for the development of steam locomotives - he massively improved the efficiency of low/atmospheric pressure engines as used in factories, for pumping mines etc. He was very hostile to high-pressure steam which is required for an engine small enough to fit on a loco but powerful enough to pull a train, due to its dangers.

    • @davidford85
      @davidford85 6 років тому +14

      Glad someone else was thinking this. While James Watt did do a lot for steam power it was probably Richard Trevithick who was most responsible for high pressure steam and it's use for locomotives. It's strange but for some reason Trevithick always seems to get forgotten, it's either Watt or Stephenson who seem to get the credit.

    • @algrayson8965
      @algrayson8965 6 років тому +4

      thisnicklldo - The Newcomen atmospheric engine operated on an entirely different principle: steam was used only to heat the airspace inside the cylinder. Then water was sprayed in, cooling the air, which lowered the pressure. The pressure that lifted the piston was atmospheric 1 bar or 14.6 psi.
      A boy manually operated the steam and water valves.

    • @thisnicklldo
      @thisnicklldo 6 років тому +6

      Not so very different in its basics. to the Watt engine. Yes, the external condenser, Watt's key contribution (together with the associated air pump), avoided spraying water into the cylinder and cooled the cylinder contents without cooling the cylinder walls so much. And yes, valve gear improved - though it was only the first prototypes of Newcomens engine that used manually operated valves - pretty soon they were automated, though not as well as Watts - remember that the Newcomen engine was more than a short-lived toy - it was used in serious applications for 70 years or more and minor improvements to the mechanism were made over that time. But both engines operated at, or very close to, atmospheric pressure. Both used the exact same approach - let steam into a cylinder, seal it, condense the steam creating a partial vacuum, and let atmospheric pressure drive the piston down the cylinder.

    • @kiwitrainguy
      @kiwitrainguy 6 років тому +5

      As I understand it Richard Trevithick also came up with the double-acting cylinder.

    • @RCassinello
      @RCassinello 5 років тому +4

      You'd be even more surprised to find that we did the same thing here in the UK, then, when the Great Western regauged itself from broad-gauge to standard-gauge over the weekend of May 21st/22nd 1892. Whilst nowhere near as much track needed to be converted, due to the unique construction method of Brunel's track, it was a bit of a ball ache to dig out the longitudinal timbers, cut through the transverse sleepers, slew the rail over, then nail it all together again.

  • @big-x2934
    @big-x2934 6 років тому

    The locomotive shown at 1.31 is a rack locomotive by Blenkinsop, James watt improved mine and mill engines and had little effect on railways

    • @cr10001
      @cr10001 4 роки тому

      The only effect Watt had on railways was a negative one, in vigorously opposing 'high pressure' steam, which was the only means of producing a locomotive engine of sufficient power and light enough weight to be practical.

  • @spinnetti
    @spinnetti 6 років тому +1

    Amazing... I had no idea... As always, big successful projects get no notice. Only the crisis and subsequent firefighting gets any credit....

  • @elli003
    @elli003 6 років тому +98

    Gauge break also occurred between German tracks and Russian tracks in WWII leading to substantial supply line delays for the Nazi offensive along the Eastern Front.

    • @algrayson8965
      @algrayson8965 6 років тому +24

      elli003 - The greatest problem the Germans had with the Russian railways was that the Russians destroyed everything they couldn't take with them as they retreated. A "rail" road with no rails, bridges burned or wrecked, still provided a narrow roadway as the bridges were replaced with trestling.
      The Russians made great use of the Fabian method of warfare. When the enemy attacks, retreat, shift your forces to where the enemy is weak, attack there. To them war isn't a ball game.

    • @sifridbassoon
      @sifridbassoon 6 років тому +6

      The wide gauges have been used in Russia since back in the (mid?) 1800s. It made for a feeling of spaciousness in the passenger cars.

    • @philgiglio9656
      @philgiglio9656 6 років тому +3

      Yet the Russians took every piece of German rolling stock they could get their hands on after the war; even though it was of no use to them.

    • @tjejojyj
      @tjejojyj 6 років тому +11

      phil giglio It’s easy to swap the bogies of rolling stock. They could have used it.

    • @crossleydd42
      @crossleydd42 5 років тому +6

      This was a deliberate ploy when the Russian railways were built, as a military defensive measure.

  • @mikebrown1926
    @mikebrown1926 5 років тому +36

    According to my history professor in 1972, Julius Caesar ordered high stone blocks installed at street crossings in Rome, for two reasons. First so people could cross without stepping in muck, and also to force speeding wagon and cart drivers to slow down to negotiate the spaces between the stones. This eventually caused the wagons to be built with a wheel distance of four feet, eight and a half inches. And as mentioned above, ruts worn into ancient stone Roman roads show this to be the standard. Supposedly a section of a Roman road existed near George Stevenson's home, with ancient ruts, and when he was trying to decide what gauge for his first locomotive, he used that as his inspiration.

    • @solstice2318
      @solstice2318 5 років тому +1

      Excellent👍

    • @1953Johnnyp
      @1953Johnnyp 5 років тому +11

      If you would have put the comma in the first sentence after professor instead of 1972, it would change the story substantially! LOL

    • @alabastardmasterson
      @alabastardmasterson 4 роки тому +1

      This also determined the size of many of NASA's shuttle parts, and why a random town in ALA became a hub. Railway tunnel size, track curves and covered trestle clearance. It literally impacted propulsion design and innovation

    • @cr10001
      @cr10001 4 роки тому +3

      @@alabastardmasterson That's a myth. First, the idea that standard rail gauge descended from Roman chariot axle width over 2000 years is - tenuous. More likely 4'8" or thereabouts is just a convenient width for a cart. But the BIG non sequitur is that railway structure gauge (i.e. the size of wagons) bears only a very loose relation to rail gauge. US or Russian carriages dwarf any rolling stock on English rails. South African 3'6" gauge rolling stock is as big as British standard gauge. So the shuttle was - maybe - determined by a US railway *structure* gauge, but not by rail gauge.

    • @alabastardmasterson
      @alabastardmasterson 4 роки тому

      @@cr10001 it's the opposite of a myth... It's a fact

  • @vespasian606
    @vespasian606 6 років тому +12

    Having seen photographs of gauge unification in other countries to my eye there is a common practice. Where the new gauge is narrower it's replacement rail is prepositioned well ahead of time. The old rail is left in place. Come the official start date the disused rail is thrown to the side and the main focus is on points and the like.

  • @Sean_Coyne
    @Sean_Coyne 2 роки тому

    Australia to this day has not standardised railway gauges completely. We have narrow gauge (3'6") in some states, standard gauge (4' 8.5") in most and a broad gauge (5' 3") in another. By WWII there were 13 break-of-gauge locations across the nation. The reason for this mess? Well, you see, there was an Englishman, an Irishman and a Scotsman...

  • @thelastjohnwayne
    @thelastjohnwayne 2 роки тому +1

    THG Congratulations on breaking ONE MILLION SUBS

  • @gregkiely4839
    @gregkiely4839 2 роки тому +16

    Its crazy, when here in Australia, when Queensland had 3'6" NSW the standard gauge at 4'8.5 and Victoria 5'3". Thus all the eastern three States, all different. Imagine the problems with railway freight between these three States. A Military concern as well as a time lag to move Troops and Equipment. One Enemy did note this.

    • @arthurdunn3007
      @arthurdunn3007 2 роки тому +1

      All about freight.State leaders were hungry.From Australia

    • @ixlnxs
      @ixlnxs 2 роки тому +2

      Which enemy?

    • @johnclayden1670
      @johnclayden1670 2 роки тому +1

      @@ixlnxs WA?

    • @OOOUZ
      @OOOUZ 2 роки тому +1

      Ofcourse oztraya is 3rd world compared to rest of the world!

    • @bobarmstrong4403
      @bobarmstrong4403 2 роки тому +1

      Tells you everything you need to know about Australia...

  • @Clarinetboy82
    @Clarinetboy82 2 роки тому +14

    This was really interesting to learn. I'm a big railroad buff, but I must say I had never heard of the big gauge switch. Thanks for sharing!

    • @joehamlet7576
      @joehamlet7576 2 роки тому

      Being a RR buff, I assume you have read the book by Stephen Ambrose called, Nothing Like It in the World. Book about the building of the transcontinental RR. Fascinating book, in case you haven't read it.

    • @kdwaynec
      @kdwaynec 2 роки тому

      I was familiar with the "Erie Gauge War" of 1853-54 but this is a history lesson for me too.

  • @williamthethespian
    @williamthethespian 2 роки тому +13

    This is a fascinating episode, from a variety of perspectives. And the analysis presented at the end is shockingly ironic. Thanks you for this episode.

    • @eritain
      @eritain 2 роки тому

      But of course, the Captains of Industry all learned their lesson, and never again did they take more money than they even knew what to do with, away from growing the economy, and leave it in offshore banks where it can do nobody any good, for the last 42 years.

  • @brucemccall370
    @brucemccall370 2 роки тому

    The historian, George R. Taylor, published a series of maps that showed the different railroad gauges throughout the nation, as of April 1861. (See "The American Railroad Network 1861-1890", by G. R. Taylor, c. 1956.) As of that date, there were seven different gauges throughout the United States. These gauges did not include the famous 3-ft Narrow -Guage that was popular in the late 1800s. Most of the northern states used the 4ft-8 1/2in Standard-Guage. The Southern States of Virginia and North Carolina also mostly used the Standard Gauge. Most of the Remaining Southern States used the 5ft Broad-Guage. However, most of Ohio and New Jersey used the 4ft-10 in gauge and most of the rails in western New York used the 6ft gauge. There was also a strip of 6ft gauge running from Cincinati to St Louis. Most of Maine, Missouri and Canada used the 5ft-6in gauge. Little bits of these different gauges were spread throughout the nation.
    Many of the early railroad companies deliberately chose different gauges to avoid trade with competing rail lines. They didn't realize the potential profit from through-traffic. Many cities refused to allow connections between competing railroads because they wanted the extra local business of carting goods cross town. Railroads were the most expensive business investment to date, and the owners did not want to pass up any opportunity to squeeze any quick return on their investment.

  • @williamsimmons152
    @williamsimmons152 6 років тому +2

    How about this......when the Nazi's invaded Russia, the German high command, didn't know that Russian rails were 5 feet. Therefore, their significantly delayed supply line contributed to their inevitable defeat. They had a brilliant Strategist in charge.

  • @clarenceartman7487
    @clarenceartman7487 2 роки тому +8

    Track gage difference was also a huge logistical nightmare for the German invasion of the USSR in 1941 and was one of many factors that contributed to its ultimate failure

    • @cacambo589
      @cacambo589 2 роки тому

      "Huge logistical nightmare"? I'm afraid that's hard to believe. Nazi Germany had occupied Austria, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Luxembourg, Belgium and the Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, France and Yugoslavia without worrying too much about railway gauge.

  • @guylavoie1342
    @guylavoie1342 2 роки тому +14

    There are still a few non-standard that were introduced here and there even during the 1900's. Two that come to mind are the BART 5'-6" gauge, and Toronto's 4'-10.875" gauge, both used for transit systems.

    • @Myrtone
      @Myrtone 2 роки тому +1

      Has it ever occurred to you that changing the Toronto streetcar system to standard gauge is *way* more complicated than it is worth? Apparently it could not be done without shutting down pretty much the whole network for an extended period of time.

    • @jefffinkbonner9551
      @jefffinkbonner9551 2 роки тому +5

      @@Myrtone Yes that's indeed true that changing the gauge would be impractical, but the OP never suggested that it needed to be; he merely pointed out the fact that the gauge for the two respective transit systems are non standard as just a mere point of fact.

    • @mosseisleyYT
      @mosseisleyYT 2 роки тому +2

      @@Myrtone The Toronto Subway also uses that gauge. One wonders why, though. It opened in 1954. It could have used standard gauge, and indeed, the new Eglinton Crosstown LRT is being built to standard gauge, as was the Scarborough RT before it.

    • @guylavoie1342
      @guylavoie1342 2 роки тому +1

      ​@@mosseisleyYT I've seen the explanation that they didn't want the streetcar tracks to end up getting requisitioned for "street running" trains by the railroads, so creating a unique, incompatible gauge would fend off this use.
      As for the wide gauge used on the BART, in the initial planning they had considered creating a line across the Golden Gate bridge, and the wider gauge would have provided better stability with the high winds sometimes sweeping across the bridge.

  • @chevinbarghest8453
    @chevinbarghest8453 2 роки тому +4

    Americans are able to say "Britain" and "Scotland", but saying "England" was there first, sticks in their throats..

  • @DelayInBlockProductions
    @DelayInBlockProductions 2 роки тому

    Excellent video.

  • @tomtom3889
    @tomtom3889 6 місяців тому +1

    A true example of American exceptionalism.

  • @nitesurfer
    @nitesurfer 2 роки тому +12

    What an amazing exercise in planning and logistics...and what a wonderful achievement in such a short time. Whoever planned this or oversaw its completion was a tactical genius

    • @vj8234
      @vj8234 2 роки тому

      Obviously NO relatives of his exist in ANY civil planning organizations now.......

    • @nitesurfer
      @nitesurfer 2 роки тому

      @@vj8234 hahahah so true..

  • @uncinarynin
    @uncinarynin 6 років тому +16

    Europe had plans for a simultaneous changeover of couplings from screw links and buffers to the AK69e (Willison) coupler in the 1980s but failed. Nowadays we have the C-AKv which is stronger, safer, automatic and allows mixed coupling, but it's still not widely used as it would only make sense when it is used on the majority of the rolling stock.
    Two examples of widespread gauge change in Europe are the Großherzoglich Badische Staatseisenbahnen (1854 to 1855 from 1600 mm to 1435 mm) and the Great Western Railway (1861 to 1892 from 2140 mm to 1435 mm).
    The Spanish railways (1668 mm) started building high speed lines at 1435 mm in 1992, with the intention of changing their entire network, but no time horizon. Currently a number of trains are variable gauge, some of them changing track gauge multiple times during their course.
    The Indian railways are in the process of converting 1000 mm gauge lines to 1676 mm. For topographical reasons (Himalaya) there's no connection to the Chinese standard gauge network, and few international connections in general, so there is little incentive to convert to standard gauge, but having a mostly homogenous broad gauge network is much better than a mix. (A few lines of narrower gauge, some of which are classified as world heritage, will remain.)

    • @Dutch_Uncle
      @Dutch_Uncle 2 роки тому

      "changeover of couplings from screw links and buffers"
      The sight of European carmen (cartoads) cranking on the screw links causes American railroaders to shake their heads at the primitive technology. Soviet Railways had the American type knuckle couplers, and the process of switching out the standard gage wheels for the broader Russian gage at the Polish border was smooth.

    • @uncinarynin
      @uncinarynin 2 роки тому

      @@Dutch_Uncle The Soviet type (Willison) is not the same as the American type (Janney). Meanwhile Europe is moving towards a Scharfenberg-based system, already standardized for high speed trains and units, currently being tested for freight.

    • @Dutch_Uncle
      @Dutch_Uncle 2 роки тому

      @@uncinarynin But both types are knuckle type, and do not require that someone get under each end of a car to connect and disconnect a turnbuckle type screw. The air hose still needs to be connected by hand.

  • @peterscott7384
    @peterscott7384 2 роки тому +5

    Don’t know how I stumbled across your videos. But I’m glad I did. Even though I live in another country. It’s fascinating to hear the details and your knowledge level is astounding. Thanks from down under 😊

  • @rick4electric
    @rick4electric 2 роки тому +1

    Now everything is played and gamed so that the spirit has left and only the figure remains!

  • @kansascityshuffle8526
    @kansascityshuffle8526 4 роки тому

    Got hold of a railway industry magazine. The kind of magazine an upper management type person of a railway might see. It said that one of the biggest missed opportunities for the North American railway industry was to not adopt a six foot gauge. It cited the potential for bigger rail cars being limited due to the current standard. I believe that railway lines between russia and china were once different so one couldn’t use its railway to invade the other.

  • @jeffg.8924
    @jeffg.8924 6 років тому +7

    Thank you for posting this video. It is mindboggling to think that an operation of that magnitude could be pulled off so efficiently. I cannot ever imagine such an undertaking happening now. Gov't regs & red tape alone would kill any hopes of doing such a task quickly or efficiently.

  • @DavidHBurkart
    @DavidHBurkart 2 роки тому +8

    Amazing this was never taught in schools. It does deserve to be remembered... and learned from

    • @clarino2
      @clarino2 2 роки тому +2

      Yes, our politicians should go back to school and learn that large projects can be completed in reasonable amounts of time.

    • @johnschuh8616
      @johnschuh8616 Рік тому

      Precious little is taught in school about economic development.

  • @ccg8658
    @ccg8658 5 років тому +8

    Could you imagine this happening today as efficiently or as swiftly 🤔

  • @jelink22
    @jelink22 2 роки тому +1

    Some fifty years ago I took a night train from Marseille down to Barcelona. In the middle of the night we had to get out and walk across the France-Spain border with our luggage to get on another train that took us to our destination. Why? Because some 40 years previously, General Franco, distrustful of Hitler's intentions, made sure that foreign troop trains could not invade his country. How did he make sure? By adopting a different gauge for the tracks.

  • @dannyholt105
    @dannyholt105 6 років тому +8

    Well, from a train guy to a history guy, I'd say that was really good!
    How about an episode of the train that once reached the most southern point in the continental United States? It went over a railway bridge all the way to Key West, Florida. That is until a hurricane came along and had other plans. Parts of the bridge are still visible today in fact. Another bit of (rail) history worth remembering. Thanks for considering this! Cheers, Dan

    • @dannyholt105
      @dannyholt105 6 років тому +1

      Hi Craig. The new concrete automobile bridge was built beside the old railway bridge. Some of the old piers can still be seen in places, but mother nature and the sea has just about reclaimed the rest. A UA-cam channel called Millenniumforce has a few videos of it over the years. Check one out here: ua-cam.com/video/taOucVzN7nk/v-deo.html Enjoy! Cheers, Dan

    • @algrayson8965
      @algrayson8965 2 роки тому +2

      The Florida East Coast Railway track to Key West was called “Flagler’s Folly” as it never made enough money to be profitable on the original investment. But once built, the investment could not be extracted by scrapping it, so it was worth maintaining. Car ferries operated from Key West to Havana, Cuba until the 1935 hurricane that blew many miles of track off of the bridges. It was not considered worth repairing, so it was abandoned.
      Later, the railway bridge was decked for a two lane highway carrying US1 to Key West. I have been on this highway twice before it was replaced by steel and concrete bridges and a wider roadway with emergency parking aprons. The old bridge has center sections removed to prevent through traveling on them. They are popular as fishing piers.

  • @lilcrooky
    @lilcrooky 6 років тому +7

    11+ thousand miles in 36 hours. Absolutely amazing.

  • @joeshabado1431
    @joeshabado1431 6 років тому +11

    The world needs more videos and channels like this. History is entertaining and interesting and if more people learned about it and saw how everything is connected maybe we wouldn't repeat it so much. Awesome channel.

    • @rangerjones5531
      @rangerjones5531 2 роки тому

      History is not politically correct today. People demand that Confederate monuments must come down because they are ‘monuments to slavery’, yet have no problems with the great pyramids standing...🐒🦍🍗🍉🍌🏀⚰️💈🚿📉🔒♠️🔊

    • @joeshabado1431
      @joeshabado1431 2 роки тому

      @@rangerjones5531 Great Pyramids were build by workers giving 10 or 20 year labor "tax", not slaves. They were housed and fed well. It's proven through archeology. Sure I can't say there was no slaves used but for the most part it was citizens conscripted to pay tax. If you were poor this was how you "paid tax".

    • @joeshabado1431
      @joeshabado1431 2 роки тому

      @@rangerjones5531 But you are right. The whole reason those monuments exist is because racist white ladies in the 1920s didn't like how there "good old days" we're gone and wanted to whitewash the past. Hell they are practically banning teaching about slavery today. This country is doubling down on racism and don't even try to hide it. The next 10 years scare the shit out of me.

  • @claudreindl7275
    @claudreindl7275 5 років тому

    I seem to recall that the standard guage purportedly originated from the English coach wheel spacing which in turn originated from Roman chariots. Thus our modern day railway guage is based upon the width of 2 horses asses!

  • @nigelpearson6664
    @nigelpearson6664 3 роки тому +1

    Near Lunel in the south of France there is a large ruined Roman settlement. Over a bridge the chariot grooves can be clearly seen. They are exactly 4' 8 1/2" ( I measurred it ). This was due to the Romans having regulation sizes. The railway invented itself. George Stephenson worked in a mine that used the Roman gauge. As best we know a continuous standard from AD 200 ? Motorcars mostly fit the same standard. I speculate that a Mile was 1000 chariot widths ( 4.86 feet as a Roman Mile is said to be 4860 feet ) and not 2000 marching paces as often said. Why should 1000 become 2000 paces? Cheap steel is also part off the story. www.worldhistory.org/image/9827/roman-road-in-ambrussum/

  • @dleland71
    @dleland71 6 років тому +7

    After each episode all I can say is, "Wow! I didn't know that." Thanks for the lessons.

  • @nitramluap
    @nitramluap 5 років тому +4

    ...and now the US rail network is an embarrassing mess. Once flying is no longer cheap (thanks to cheap, fossil fuel), good luck getting around easily.

    • @christianfreedom-seeker934
      @christianfreedom-seeker934 5 років тому

      Actually it is not. Freight is moved quickly and cheaply thanks to deregulation and no, trains don't make for good people movers, planes and cars are good for that. Cheaper too! AMTRAK struggled for YEARS to become profitable but passenger service simply isn't profitable. AMTRAK needs to either be scrapped or sold off. A giant waste of taxpayer dollars all because some government employees want their choo-choos!

    • @cr10001
      @cr10001 4 роки тому

      @Dirk-Ulrich Heise "Jets burn any liquid or gaseous fuel (gas turbine)." Umm, no. Gas turbines in power stations burn any liquid or gaseous fuel. Aircraft jets burn a narrow range of liquid fuels of carefully produced properties. Not heavy fuel oils, and not gaseous because how do you fit that much into an aircraft?

  • @jamesbarca7229
    @jamesbarca7229 6 років тому +6

    I'm amazed that you are able to find so many momentous stories from history that I've never heard about, and impressed that you are able to present so much information in such a concise yet entertaining fashion. Keep up the good work!

  • @francesrude3007
    @francesrude3007 Рік тому

    Thanks as usual.

  • @SeverityOne
    @SeverityOne 6 років тому +2

    So, if it hadn't been for the Civil War, the USA might have run on Russian gauge (5 ft/1524 mm) instead.

    • @TheHistoryGuyChannel
      @TheHistoryGuyChannel  6 років тому

      Severity One that is hard to say- but it made a huge difference that the transcontinental route was done at the standard gauge.

  • @davidharris6581
    @davidharris6581 6 років тому +9

    They do truck changes between Russia & China to this day.

    • @SolidRoot
      @SolidRoot 5 років тому

      Between Poland & Ukraine as well, I believe.

    • @3bydacreekside
      @3bydacreekside 5 років тому +3

      Ah my beloved Ukraine....keeping us safe from Polish rail guage for years to come XD

  • @franciscolozano2901
    @franciscolozano2901 4 роки тому +7

    Interesting bit at the end about the effects of corporate greed. Imagine what economic accomplishments could be had today if the top company's didn't hoard the savings through sock buybacks and other underhanded tactics.

    • @AntoBlo
      @AntoBlo 2 роки тому +1

      Stock buybacks are the opposite of "hoarding", it is downsizing. The company is giving money back to its investors so they can invest in something else.

    • @franciscolozano2901
      @franciscolozano2901 2 роки тому +1

      i say potatoes, you say give payouts.

    • @algrayson8965
      @algrayson8965 2 роки тому +1

      I can't imagine anyone wanting to buy my socks back.

  • @lancelot1953
    @lancelot1953 6 років тому +11

    Thank you so much History Guy for such a great piece of our American history. I am a railfan and did not know about this amazing feat of American ingenuity (planning) and execution. The efficiency and inventiveness of these older companies fascinate me and I appreciate that you are producing these video for the good and education of younger generations to come. Ciao, L (FoMoCo engineering).

    • @kevanparker908
      @kevanparker908 2 роки тому

      British Standard Gauge British is always the best option, Benjamin Outram from our area invented the "L" shaped plates of the old plate ways.

    • @lancelot1953
      @lancelot1953 2 роки тому

      @@kevanparker908 Hi Kevan, I understand that a nationwide/international-wide standard is advantageous especially in our global economic network but if it was to be re-invented (i.e. redone completely from scratch), I am not sure that 4' 8.5 inches would be the best way to do. I also can understand that a "narrower gauge" does have some advantages for some unique situations (mining, forestry in mountainous/curvy areas, etc.) away from major lines.
      Having spent my life in the Navy, I must give it to your compatriots - many of our improvements on our carriers are based on British inventions and designs. Peace be with you, Ciao, L

    • @kevanparker908
      @kevanparker908 2 роки тому

      @@lancelot1953 The British used the Metre Gauge when they built the EAR&H in East Africa, Kenya Uganda Tanzania

    • @lancelot1953
      @lancelot1953 2 роки тому

      @@kevanparker908 Hi Kevan, are you British? I can see the advantage of a "narrower gauge" in areas where there are lots of curves or shorter radius turns. Were the Metre-gauge railroad cars full (standard) size or were they smaller. Thank you for the info, Ciao, L

    • @kevanparker908
      @kevanparker908 2 роки тому

      @@lancelot1953 I am British I used to work for the railway industry here in Derbyshire. We built the new carriages for Kenya and Tanzanian Railways, standard size coaches with sleeper compartments back in the 1980's I also lived in Kenya for two and a half years and rode on the coaches we built for Kenya.

  • @douglasscharbrough2563
    @douglasscharbrough2563 6 років тому +1

    Have you ever thought of doing a segment on the Tuscarora war of 1711 to 1715 and its aftermath?

  • @flufflepuffle6229
    @flufflepuffle6229 6 років тому +1

    I think the world standard should have been 5 feet exactly and leave it at that, with 3 and 2 foot narrow gauges and a 6 foot broad gauge, all for their own intended applications.

  • @BrettonFerguson
    @BrettonFerguson 6 років тому +4

    Train gauge helped the allies win WWII. When Germany invaded Russia in 1941, the few roads that existed were crap. Mostly narrow dirt roads that turned into mud when it rained. The railroads were the only efficient form of transportation. However the Russians used a smaller gauge than the Germans used. This delayed the trains for weeks while the germans widened the tracks. Had the tracks been the same size, it is possible the Germans would have taken Moscow in 1941 and won the war.

    • @okaro6595
      @okaro6595 6 років тому +5

      Not smaller but wider. Russia has 1520 mm, Germany 1435 mm.

    • @Gooseneck41
      @Gooseneck41 5 років тому

      Looks like the Germans would have learned from this. I think a couple years into the war they were no where near having all the Soviet tracks switched over to their gauge. If they had it might have slowed the Soviet counter attack.

    • @crossleydd42
      @crossleydd42 5 років тому

      @@Gooseneck41 my abiding memory is the last retreating Nazi train from the USSR with the back wagon fitted with a giant anchor-type hook which cut through every sleeper behind, thus ruining the track!

  • @brianburns7211
    @brianburns7211 2 роки тому +14

    Even in modern times the former Erie Railroad had generous clearances for oversized loads. this is because it was originally laid in 6’ gauge.

  • @Emilthehun
    @Emilthehun 6 років тому +6

    Imagine trying to do the same today. Billions of dollars and many many years.

  • @henrynackmodeltraincentral5886
    @henrynackmodeltraincentral5886 5 років тому +1

    I love trains

  • @K1W1fly
    @K1W1fly 6 років тому +1

    6:40 is a New Zealand JA class locomotive! (3 ft 6" gauge) - it even says so on the smokebox door plate. Not only is a completely different gauge and continent, the JAs didnt appear until the 1930s!

    • @TheHistoryGuyChannel
      @TheHistoryGuyChannel  6 років тому

      There are no photos of the actual gauge change. The photos are public domain pictures of old trains and are for illustration only.

    • @K1W1fly
      @K1W1fly 6 років тому

      In case we didnt know what a train looked like. If history is important to you as you say it is, at least use appropriate pictures rather than just a random slew of internet images.... sorry, it doesnt reflect well on your credibility as a historian.

  • @jeremyindenver
    @jeremyindenver 5 років тому +5

    Your videos are outstanding! I can't believe it took me so long to find your channel, keep up the good work!

  • @okrajoe
    @okrajoe 6 років тому +20

    Fascinating glimpse of history...

  • @johnjephcote7636
    @johnjephcote7636 4 роки тому +4

    Fascinating! so quickly done! I'm impressed that you mentioned the gauge conversion of Brunel's broad gauge over one weekend-organised successfully like a military operation?

  • @WillN2Go1
    @WillN2Go1 6 років тому +2

    Thanks. I think you missed an important point. Turning radius is a major factor in rail gauge. This is why narrow gauge trains are so often found, and still in use, on mountain routes. To follow contours of mountains tighter turning radii are used. Trivia question: What gauge was the train in Buster Keaton's The General?

    • @TheHistoryGuyChannel
      @TheHistoryGuyChannel  6 років тому

      They used the Oregon, pacific and Eastern railway for the film. I believe it was a standard gauge.

  • @Stormprobe
    @Stormprobe 6 років тому +2

    Today the conversion would take decades and cost billions of dollars.

  • @allen_p
    @allen_p 6 років тому +4

    I volunteer in National Forest in Texas. They are criss-crossed with tram grades. The earthern berms on which, primarily, narrow gauge railroads ran hauling timber to rivers and float down to a mill. There were a few standard gauge, but mostly narrow
    The forestry museum in Lufkin, Texas has great maps with names of all these short railroad lines. Great video.

  • @abelincoln95
    @abelincoln95 6 років тому +5

    Sir, I truly enjoy every video/episode... Thank you for your education that led you to share with us that only have a high school diploma! LOL! I realize that you had to study, read & dig to find this information.. God bless you....

  • @Cowboy-in-a-Pink-Stetson
    @Cowboy-in-a-Pink-Stetson 2 роки тому +4

    Extremely interesting video. What an amazing event. I bet it couldn't be done today in that short a time and that efficiently!
    Interesting that the 'standard' gauge is derived from the size of Roman chariots.
    The size of the two person chariot was based on the width of two horses pulling side-by-side.
    Flash forward to the "Space Age".
    Thiokol built the Solid Rocket Boosters (SRBs) for the NASA Space Shuttle. They built them in Utah and the only realistic way to transport them was by rail. This directly influenced the size (diameter) of the SRBs due to loading gauge standards in the USA based on standard gauge railroads.
    Soooooo .... the rocket's size was proportional to the width of a horses a***! 😁

    • @jdb47games
      @jdb47games 2 роки тому

      Don't believe silly internet stories.

    • @Cowboy-in-a-Pink-Stetson
      @Cowboy-in-a-Pink-Stetson 2 роки тому +1

      @@jdb47games Aww shucks, here's you a spoilin' all ma fun ...

  • @garryharris3777
    @garryharris3777 2 роки тому

    Reminds me how now that Warren Buffett owns most of the railroad in the country, cost of shipping has tripled making it more costly for farmers. Costs passed on to the consumer and profits passed on to Buffett.
    He did that with insurance too.

  • @jpolar394
    @jpolar394 5 років тому +2

    Why didn't my history teacher be like this fabulous person instead of talking to the other teachers in the hallway about union issues with other teachers , and smoking cigarettes in the faculty bathroom.
    NJEA, YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF. Thank you.

  • @eleventy-seven
    @eleventy-seven 2 роки тому +4

    Amazing, it would take years of studies, planning, lobbying and then it still could not be done on a huge budget these days.