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This was already long known by any observer with a brain. Wealthy people and politicians have been flouting the law and getting away with it continually for as long as the law exists. National politicians are openly corrupt.
You ever heard the phrase: "Things have to get worse, before they get better?" Well, I'm sorry to have to say this, but that too is a lie. Things only ever get worse with time. They DO NOT get better. That part is simply a mere illusion, through and through.
according to most police body cam channels, not very many; I've seen enough where the punishment is just as much of a slap on the wrist as this, so I'm not surprised.
"But what if me being a criminal effects my chances of becoming president?" should never be justification to postpone a case, that's so god damn stupid
If anything, it is reason for an expedited process. If defendant is guilty, which Trump is, the people should know before the election. If defendant is not found guilty, they should be cleared of suspicion, which should in an ideal world help their campaign.
@@planescaped No, that is the correct logic. You're the one who is backwards. The American people by every critical metric, should know if their candidates for PRESIDENT are criminals or not before the election.
And if any of the crimes you were charged with were things like in the documents case or the January 6th case, you wouldn't even be allowed out of jail pending trial. You'd be stuck in a cell until you were either acquitted or were found guilty and moved to a more permanent cell.
Tru. So much so for the "WE are a constitutional republic" lol those people are delusional. Sure on paper, but in reality they took a massive shet on it. President have immunity, what check and balance?
It's insane how their defense is that "the american people deserve a president unencumbered by the law", and "it would hurt his chances to presidency" THAT'S THE ENTIRE IDEA. You WANT the highest powers to be as accountable as possible, and you DON'T WANT criminals running the country I really cannot stress enough how outrageous and mindnumbingly idiotic that line of reasoning is
Just because half the country got sweet talked into believing nonsense doesn't mean he should get a pass when actually held to account. But that half of the country got duped into swinging a club that needs to be swung, but they did it against their fellow citizens rather than against the politicians and billionaires in charge.
You specifically don't want him running the country. More people than not clearly did, otherwise he wouldn't be elected. As long as he is who the American people chose, no, we do not want the most powerful office encumbered.
They know how stupid it is, but they also know they can get away with it. As long as they can cite some reason, no matter how bad, they can pretend and fool enough people into subservience.
Their defense is that this case is a political witch hunt, nothing about the charges are felonious or criminal. The judge didnt allow the a defense, this is something you see in third world countries not a supposed free country
@@drakependragon8439 Please read a book. Or get someone to read it to you. Self-improvement is a really fun way to pass the time. You can do better, we all believe in you!
people wrongly accused of crimes and later let go can’t find jobs sometimes because it’s still on their record that they went to jail. yet this guy is president. i will never get over that fact…
Ever care to imagine why that's the case or are you just going to punch the air without even considering changing your preconceived notions? If an employer knew the life story of each accused person that asks for a job, you'd find that people are hired for what they're worth rather than how an authority labels you. The majority of adult US citizens have spent years juggling both sides of this coin and a consensus has been made. This might be news to you, but in the United States of America, We the People decide what is law. And We the People acted as the proper jury.
@@bigdaddynerowe the people found him guilty the judge decided he would suffer no consequences. We the people have no say when multibillion dollar companies have the "right" to lobby for their interests and their interests alone which are often against the best wishes of we the people and unless that is remedied ultimately we have no power
To think that this could all have been avoided if the judges had simply said "Getting into scandals before your election is your problem, not ours - we're not postponing"
Or it could have been avoided if the Supreme Court didn't decide that we don't need to follow the Constitution. According to the Constitution, Trump is not eligible to be an elected official of the United States, including the presidency.
Even more if Garland hadnt bowed to his Federalist Society handlers and slow-walked the J6 investigation. We all saw what happened, it didn't need to take 2 years.
All they wanted to do from the beginning was waste Trumps time and resources. He wasn't allowed to campaign as much as he wanted because of these lousy cases. We elected Trump for a 3rd term because he saw through the BS the deep state was throwing at him. If they put him through crap and he's innocent, imagine what they'll do to us.
The courts wasted all of our time, they should just say straight,white, wealthy, and male are grounds for being above the law and get it over with. No reason to gas light anymore, half the country has come out as being ok with that fact.
Murica: two wrongs don't make a right we just choose the lesser of evils instead of fixing anything. No wonder you celebrate murderers and elect felons. It's a circus. It's like make believe. There are just no rules.
And the legal process is merely the cost of doing business. It feels like under this precedent, someone could delay sentencing because it would adversely affect their ability to run for any public office, or more broadly, run a company or other 'valued' position. Heck, if part of the consideration is "Having served the country", this might imply that the military could do warcrimes and the people involved not charged because "It was orders given in service of the country."
Imagine if you were to go to trial for a crime you committed and you asked for it to take place after a job interview you had, so that it doesn't hurt your prospects. That would be ridiculous for a job at McDonald's let alone the president!
Dude said "can we postpone this, it might hurt my chances of election" and literally everyone with a brain shapeshifted into Bully Maguire with "I missed the part where that's my problem" like maybe if you don't want to get in trouble with the law, maybe, just maybe, don't commit crimes? The fact that he got away with it is a crime in itself
I get the point of your example, but realize that this would never happen. Job applications usually ask if you've ever been arrested. So in this scenario, you wouldn't be interviewed... whether you did it or not. In Trump's case we interviewed and hired him for another term for some reason.
@dennismortberg2591 Obstructing an election. Don't pretend that his phone call to Georgia's ballot supervisor or his war cry speech in front of the Capitol were legal.
People flipping burgers at McDonalds have more responsibility for their actions than the president of the united states. What an upside down world we live in.
I spent a summer in law school working misdemeanor prosecutions for domestic violence in New York. We never gave ANYONE an UNCONDITIONAL discharge. Conditional discharge was the lowest plea deal we'd ever offer. With a CD, if you don't commit a crime in the next year, there is no sentence for the crime. Those were misdemeanors. This is 34 felony charges. A conditional discharge with a sentence suspended for 5 years would have been appropriate here. If he commits no further crimes for the next 5 years, covering his term as President, he would have no sentence for these charges. If there are any further crimes, the sentence is still to be suspended until after he leaves office.
I'm still unsure how the charges were elevated to felonies. "Falsifying business records in the first degree in New York is a class E felony, which occurs when a person commits the second-degree offense with the intent to defraud and also intends to commit or conceal another crime." "and also intends to commit or conceal another crime" Did they ever articulate what other crime Trump intended to cover up or commit? Paying someone hush money isn't a crime, nor is having an affair.
@@wvguy7238 He would need to be convicted and charged before he attempted to pardon himself. It would have been impossible for any other President because they didn't own Congress and the Supreme Court.
If this happened to anyone that wasn't a conservative, they'd probably be more than willing to let this trial play out and not let them have presidential immunity. And they'd call out anyone who wanted the person treated like Trump was.
@@nerdoftheatre I mean, no probably about it. They whine about Hunter religiously... despite the crime he was convicted of being something they insist is unconstitutional. Hell, if they let things go normally, he'd probably not even been pardoned. Hypocrisy is the entire right-wing existence.
The question on applications is not because of some law. It’s just a business practice. There are some jobs where you would be disqualified, but generally, it’s just a question they ask.
I can't believe the same people who say "No one is above the law" didn't seem to care when Hillary got off for stealing classified documents, Biden got off for stealing classified documents, Comey got off for leaking classified information, Baker got off for fabricating evidence and lying to a court to get a warrant against Trump's campaign etc etc etc. This is just lawfare. The vast majority of people know Trump didn't commit a crime - and had he never ran for office they would never have gone after him for a clear non-crime.
The thing is that they don't believe he's a felon. They believe everything is a conspiracy against him, that the counts are all fake, that he is innocent. They believe that everyone and everything is against him and that he is always right, as if he's their God. To them, he is an infallible, perfect human being.
Might just be me, but ongoing criminal prosecution should probably be allowed to interfere with a political campaign. Or we just accept that laws are only for the poor.
I am honestly shocked this worked, like what? Seriously? The reason the judicial branch is separate from the executive branch is precisely for things like this, checks and balances. An upcoming election for President (which is the executive branch) should have zero effect on when someone gets sentenced. Absolutely ridiculous. That's not even counting the illogical nature of the argument itself. That's like me saying that my sentencing for my various crimes should be delayed due to an upcoming job interview because it'd hurt my chances of getting hired. Yeah, let's see how you quickly you'd be laughed at if you tried that.
@@sams-pg7hj And isn't it just SO incredible that this man can essentially avoid legal accountability by the chance of intimidation? This makes nothing better
@@sams-pg7hj it's a double-edged sword. like yeah, it SHOULDN'T matter that he's running for election. but sadly with our twisted judicial system, it's "plausible" that the judge just sentenced him due to political bias. so stupid
Yup. When he was young and naive, my father studied to become an attorney. When he began to see the system is designed to enslave the uneducated, he decided not to become an attorney.
@JackL-xe1le I didn't say that. It's sad that rich people feel they are above the law, and have spent years fighting lawsuits and voting/paying off politicians in order to establish a legal system they can weasel their way out of. It should not be this way, the law should apply to everyone equally. But when it doesn't, vigilante justice, which might end up being murder, is the only justice that gets applied to them. That's not something they should want for themselves, but they also won't accept even the lenient fines that usually get levied on them by our current justice system. Vigilante justice isn't real justice, it's a perversion of justice that arises when real justice becomes impossible.
@@trevorjrooney it wasnt even vigilante justice, it was just murder. Ceo committed no crimes, i agree the system sucks but people all over the internet are happy w murder
“Without encroaching on the highest office the land.” We have checks and balances for a reason. Different branches are SUPPOSED to override each other sometimes. Prosecuting someone is not encroachment on the executive branch, it is a big part of what the judicial branch’s role is.
The people saw the trial and still elected Trump into office. It's time to start respecting the people. One corrupt state with a corrupt prosecutor and a corrupt judge shouldn't decide the fate of the U.S Presidency - though they tried really hard.
@@ShadyLife101 The prosecutor is a Democrat who ran on "Getting Trump" - having harassed Trump for years. He declined to prosecute this very case for years - until Trump was the nominee, then all of a sudden brought the case to influence an election. The Judge's own daughter is a Democrat operative who received a massive promotion just before this case came to his desk. He received the case despite not being in the running to get it (It should have been randomly assigned, but he wasn't in that rotation of judges) which means it was specifically assigned to him. Merchan also received the bulk of other Trump-Related cases too. Merchan also donated to Democrats and a specific PAC with the number 1 stated goal of 'Stopping Trump'. Any one of these 3 should result in a recusal for an appearance of bias, but didn't. Then we get to Merchan saying Trump didn't have presidential immunity - when he did. Ruled against Trump at every opportunity against case-law (Such as Richardson V United States 1999) - and even let non-probative evidence in that sought ONLY to prejudice Trump. He also let a convicted liar, Cohen, lie in his court room. And to top it all off, Cohen admitted to stealing money from Trump, which the prosecutors knew about - which is a more serious crime than that they're alleging Trump did - and gave Cohen immunity instead.
When I was 20 years old, I got a minor in possession of alcohol. 3 weeks shy of 21. The judge gave me a 1 year suspended sentence. I stayed out of trouble for the year and he let it go. How about that for 34 felonies, but exactly 4 years? I feel like this is a total lack of justice. He's going to commit more crimes. It's kind of his thing.
People routinely steal goods or vandalized property in US and are not penalized so it just another example of protected classes same as always in the US
@@kadyrbekalibekov1941 It's only politically charged by the side that is all about "the rule of law" but also ok with no punishment for crimes confessed to on national tv. Lmao.
@@kadyrbekalibekov1941 one of the key points of justice is doing the right thing when it is hard. Very clearly this has shown that justice is not available through the court system.
@@_somerandomguyontheinternet_ that doesn't matter. It would have at least FORCED the supreme court to rule that Trump is above the law. It would have forced them to be on the record for saying that it doesn't matter what felonies Trump committed that he was above the law.
You all have never seen a proper dictator for this to be a valid comparison, pointing at a piece of reality you chose to believe and getting flustered up about it whilst knowingly or not ignoring anything else that might break your emotional cycle is not healthy! Learn to weigh your pros and cons and start acting on what works, otherwise thinking for yourself will be a far concept to grasp.
@@rubelan3552 We've seen enough rulers of banana republics acting with complete impunity to know that letting rich crooks run countries never ends well. Honestly never thought that the USA would become one of those banana republics.
People have been given life sentences for owning a specific hallucinogenic plant. They don't even have to smoke it or sell it, they just have to own it. When I got my crossing guard job, I had to take two background checks and drug tests. They wanted to make sure I'm clean as possible. Yet our president can have 34 felonies and possibly MORE we don't know about and be president. I don't want to hear about not being able to get a job for having a small criminal record ever again.
I get your point, but the hyperbole makes you look bad. Yes, giving prison sentences for most instances of mere drug possession is too harsh, but it's not possible to get a lifetime sentence for drug possession unless you actually die in prison before your sentence is up.
@Compucles not possible in a direct sense, sure, but people do spend their whole lives in prison for minor charges. The amount of people who get lost in the system and/or are forced to stay longer for profit in the prison is still rather large problem, and it's robbed many lives away
I guarantee the majority of politicians have had their fair share of shady dealings. If we were to witch hunt and seek to convict every politician, Trump would most likely not be the only one with felonies, let alone 34. This is just how more billionaires are like when doing business.
@@Compucles except it does happen. People who do get decades for possessing minor drugs like weed, mushrooms, etc. That, or people who just get stuck in a purgatory because they get lost in the system or their case just never comes up. Its not hyperbole, its real.
@@Compucles aren't there states that count water containing traces of drugs as if it was 100% the drug and then make ridiculous charges based on the weight? I vaguely remember hearing about that every now and then, the most recent one was something like 30 years for a single bongs worth of water iirc
I'm having trouble discerning who has shown greater levels of contempt for the justice system - the defendant or the court officers. If the verdict was going to be "Well... never mind", why did anyone bother? Why waste the time, money, and credibility of the court system?
I can’t even listen to events like this because it makes me so mad. I have been taught since the beginning of my life that no man is above the law including a president. That we have checks and balances so people can’t abuse power. Turns out laws can be broken as long as you have power.
Welcome to reality - it has literally always been like this I hate that this happened - but I'm glad more people are now aware of what has been obvious since the dawn of civilization - those in power will roll you I'm glad more people are aware of this so we can do something about it...maybe by 2100!
I'm afraid it's just how society is and probably will always be. The law of the land is only as powerful as people make it, and other forms of power (money, influence, military might), are capable of challenging that power. People with money or popularity almost universally get lighter sentences if any because the system is afraid to deal with their followers. If a prominent gang member with connections that can get high ranking people killed is under investigation then that case is likely being put on hold similarly until someone is brave enough to go after them.
Indeed. Any form of mild punishment would be a slap on the wrist. No punishment is just a stern talk at best cause some people would consider listening to a stern talk a punishment already.
@@prodmoirait’s not crying, it’s stating an opinion on a controversial topic, you just happen to feel differently. And that’s cool, that’s your right to express your opinion. I honestly disagree with letting him go without punishment, like Legal Eagle. Granting Presidents immunity and king-like power is a direct insult to our forefathers (again, my opinion). They created a government of the people, by the people, for the people. Our government today does not represent the people, regardless of which party holds office. We have been conditioned to constantly lower our expectations every voting cycle by voting for who we perceive to be the lesser of two evils instead of who we believe is best suited to run the country. Gerrymandering has ruined local and state elections across the country, as it enables politicians to choose their voters, instead of the other way around. Until we fix these core issues and bring law and order back so that it’s applicable to everyone regardless of status, then America cannot and will not be great again (my opinion).
@@luischeco3009 on Wikipedia, excerpt from the article Animal Trial: _"for example, a pig that killed a child in the Norman city of Failaise in 1386 and, in so doing, mutilated its face and arms, was subjected to the same mutilations prior to being hung. This scene was later memorialised in a fresco painted in the local church."_
It's also cool watching a country, like a 18th century monarchy, question my country's (and other countries') sovereignty and make threats to annex it.
You play "The Trump sentencing" and I raise you Hunter Biden, all of Epstein's associates, Elon Musk, Bill Clinton, Silvio Berlusconi, Jacob Zuma, Alberto Fujimori, Nicolas Sarkozy, Rod Blagojevich, Luis Donaldo Colosio, and many, MANY more. Just because a specific case is 'more in the picture', doesn't mean it's unprecedented. It's of all ages, of all political leanings, all over the world, all the time, and no one really does anything about it.
“no one is above the law” That term now is officially meaningless in the US now. And it looks like American voters wanted this too. This isnt really on Mechan, Murica. This is on you for giving him a get out of jail free card. This is your fault.
You mean when Biden stole classified documents over decades and didn't even get charged? But you're upset that Trump; who didn't commit a crime - was railroaded by a corrupt judge, but didn't get put in jail for life over legal conduct?
@@dogollie2715 Geneva Conventions and Law of Land Warfare exist. One of the first things we learned about in Basic training and most of us lived our lives by it. I don't disagree with the point you're making, but as a caveat the vast majority of us at least tried to be better than butchers.
@ the Geneva Convention is cool and all, but it doesn’t mean anything if the winning countries of a war violates it. I mean we had a president directly responsible for nuking Japan twice and he was never put to trial because we won.
I hate that Donald Trump can claim these systems are broken and unfairly treating him, and literally be paying four supreme court judges to give him immunity for whatever he wants, even personal affairs from 15 years ago. There is no counter argument for that being damaging to law in our country.
Show me their paychecks. Some guy tells you online that they are in his pocket without showing you any proof and you run with it. Did Trump also pay the 77+ million people who voted for him too? 77 million people effectively voted to null the convictions. Sulk about it
@ “Some guy(a literal lawyer) tells you online that they are in his pocket(the justices actively claim to be right wing) without showing you any proof(Clarence Thomas bribes are well-documented) and you run with it(take the most basic reasonable conclusion from that information)” This is not the comeback you think it is lol “Did Trump also pay the 77+ million people who voted for him too?” No but Elon verifiably contributed millions upon millions of dollars while also attempting to illegally do $100 voter raffles. Does that sounds like someone who’s intention is to win by proving they’ll do what’s best for you? Doesn’t to me.
If I was convicted of 34 felonies and given 0 consequences on it after vaguely threatening the judge's daughter and being found in contempt 10 times I too would have 0 respect for the court. Why would anyone?
There wasn't much the court could do anyway, he would be out on the 20th anyway after giving him help a presidential pardon, all the court could've really done is to postpone it for 4+ years and wait until his term was over, which wouldn't have worked because he would've dismissed the case himself as president.
Guess he should say he is running for presidency for 2028. Then he’ll probably get off 🙄 yk bc a case like that would hurt his prospect for becoming president 🙄
@abcdbcde8586 His parents are rich. Doesn't automatically mean that he falls into that same category. Also, he would never face the same charges had it been a homeless person, and not the CEO of a multi-billion dollar company.
No, it’s not illegal to “discriminate” based on criminal history, this also means you do not have to treat all criminal records the same. A Walmart is more likely to hire somebody with a domestic abuse record than with a shoplifting record, and is well within their rights to.
Private clubs are under no obligation to explain why membership would be denied, and even if they did, membership is still at their discretion. You aren't automatically invited unless they find something objectionable. A private club is under no obligation to let anyone join they don't want and can discriminate for any reason.
If a private club has rules about allowing convicted felons to join, that doesn't necessarily mean they don't have members who became felons after they join. I wouldn't worry about it too much though, this whole "convicted felon" label won't last more than a few months anyway. This case falls apart as soon as it gets out of New York just like every other case did.
I appreciate this channel for making complex legal topics more accessible to legally illiterate people like me. While I certainly don't envy the NY judge, unfortunately this case seems to reinforce two ideas: American jurisprudence is anything but blind and that there are special rules for special people. I have a small dream, wherein the Supreme Court is sued for judicial malfeasance, it makes me smile.
All of this is terrible, but it really irritates me that the reason they postponed was because he was running for president. They argued that it would affect his election chances. So they don't want us to know he's a felon, because god forbid voters are informed about their choice.
the judge was very smart to delay sentencing on the off chance trump won, but also on the off chance this gets turned over on appeal. Image the firestorm if trump had been thrown in jail, unable to campaign, and then it gets overturned. That is major election interference
The trump based voters don’t care if he’s a felon or not. It wouldn’t have mattered. Everything learned today was said all the time but they didn’t want to listen anyway. The only thing that mattered was any opportunities to make his election campaign invalid and that was dead on arrival.
Anyone paying attention on either side already knew what the score was. You know what? I don't think it would have changed the outcome. If anything his supporters would have ate it up.
@ his supporters would have, but what about the people who aren't and voted for him? We joke about how could anyone be undecided, but some people actually were.
According to this precedent, if he runs for president in the 2028 election, he shouldn't be charged until after the 2028 election. And if he gets elected, even if he is found guilty he should have no punishment, just like Trump.
We should honestly get that to happen, and then elect him president so that his crimes all go away, too Let's see how quickly the tune is changed when the shoe is on the other foot.
"Without encroaching upon the highest office in the land". Excuse me? You're not sentencing a damned office, you're sentencing someone who "encroached" on a felony. I don't care how high your office is, once you put a felon in that office it should NOT be above the law. So, what, if we officially change our address to "the oval office - Washington D.C." we can just break whatever laws we want? Good to know!
Actually that's almost exactly what the Supreme Court ruled in the immunity case. The only consequence you can suffer as a President of the United States without a whole boatload of legal barriers is an impeachment by the House of Representatives and then conviction by the Senate. So as long as less than 66 senators are in the other party from the one you ran for, you're effectively immune to all consequences for anything you do
He's not even in office yet, but also the highest office in the land should be encroached on if the holder is convicted of dozens of felonies. The investigation and proceedings have been going nonstop for 4 years, why is it suddenly considered encroaching in the last minute?
The *best* the court could do isn't good enough. Why should any of the rest of us be held accountable for our actions if a person who *should* be held to the highest standard is held to no standard at all?
Merchan might be off the bench when this gets overturned. NY courts already dislike the loan appeal case, they are not going to like this fake 34 felonies case
If I ever am up for jury selection I will bring it up. "I cannot in good faith find anybody guilty unless they exceed the amount of crime that these united states first felon president committed and had no punishment other than having another title added. If the case doesn't reach that level I suggest you not waste everybody's time and send me home."
The way I see it, he's not the one you should be accusing, but the supreme court judges "bought and paid for" that started this mess in the first place. Merchan fought to keep the sentencing going every step. It was literally illegal for him to sentence trump
Not Merchan's fault, this was the ONLY sentence he could hand down that wouldn't have immediately been reversed, and probably have the whole case dismissed. That said, I'd bring it up at every sentencing hearing with every judge to point out how absurd and what a miscarriage of justice this is.
He committed crimes before his first term, during his first term, and immediately after his first term. What do you think he's going to do in his second term?
Despite all of his chaos, they simply put on a show to make it seem like they would hold him accountable, knowing they were not going to go through with it. We'll see which citizens get the same treatment in the next 4 years.
@@istvankarolyfarkas6125 These are state charges, not federal, so he legally* cannot pardon himself (*legally until the supreme court rules that the president can override state laws)
Not just a president, but even just a guy who might be president some day, is now exempt from any punishment that matters, by precedent. People who catch 34 felonies should get the same kind of punishment that any other person would get. There's no constitutional reason to let him skate.
the ONLY good thing i can say about this case is that they (the judicial system of the US) are finally saying the quiet parts out loud: the US judicial system has always been an oligarchy
Thing is USA, has this dumb rule book made like 200 years ago. Then USA in their infinite wisdow thinks : hey lets try to understand what old white man were thinking 200 years ago, and lets apply this nonsense today. results : current usa.
Because of that power. Imagine this - somewhere and/or sometime in the past, when the law and courts didn't exist, the strongest guy could do whatever he wanted. Even if you wanted to punish him - how would you? The one with the biggest muscles makes the rules
So, if I'm hearing this right, Judge Merchan effectively said, "I and the entire justice system are utterly useless in holding rich people accountable." What is a deeply troubled and frustrated nation to do if we cannot trust the system that's supposed to enforce the rules? I don't like where this is going.
People are running out of options, and scarily... Only violence has shown to be listened to... This seems too obvious to be real right? I'm scared brother/sister...
@@KS-PNW Garland was not involved in this case. This was a state case, not federal. Yes, Garland is a coward, but so is Merchan. He wasn't sending Trump to prison, but a hefty fine (which he would never pay) and probation were certainly not out of the picture.
@chriswright7259 of course Garland wasn't involved in *THIS CASE* but he chose to slow roll the prosecutions until it was too late. And NO this isn't on merchan because he literally didn't have a choice. Scotus only let this happen at all because there was no penalty. Fine and probation were out of the picture.
@@Eternalwarpuppy They weren't convicted for trespassing, they were convicted for destroying government property and assaulting police officers. There's tons of video evidence. Don't let them lie to you.
@@Eternalwarpuppy How, exactly, was it a wrongful conviction? Were they not there? Surely, you're not going to lie and say they were "invited in," right? When there's videos showing them breaking in?
How is it a start, it is literally the opposite of a start. Welcome to America, where you legitimately cannot be punished for crimes if you are rich enough.
He really should have been sentenced to 14 days in prison, releasing at 11am on January 27th, with a suspended sentence of 5 years in prison and a $50,000,000 fine.
The best the court could have done would have been not slow-walking this case for years and treating it with the expedience it required. Justice in America is officially dead.
Exactly why it was delayed. It was transparently obvious from the start and everyone with decision making power who allowed it to happen is complicit, and considering they aided an asset of a foreign power to take the presidency while being an active criminal, I'd say it qualifies as treason.
What bookkeeping category do you think they belong in? I've not had to categorize payments but I have had to categorize my hours spent in my career and often it is unclear which "bucket" to log my time to. I'm not sure that paying of an affair is a common-enough book-keeping entry that it is clear what to log it to. Are there generally accepted accounting practices for this? Considering it is related to legal risk and handled by a lawyer, I don't see how legal expense is unreasonable.
As a British person all I can reasonably say is: I'm confused. Our monarch is literally above the law, but on the very strong understanding that if they ever break that, then they'll be removed from (their theoretical) power. You have the opposite where someone commits crimes to get into power, I don't quite understand.
If you don't want a sentencing to ruin your plans, perhaps don't commit crimes. Unreal that they delayed the sentencing and have now not even given him the punishment for the crime. Nobody should be alive the law. Congratulations on your new king, America.
Can't imagine why people have lost faith in the systems that run this country. Add the legal system to the pile with the political system, the federal system, the financial system, and the healthcare system.
@ No. Why, are the roads perfect and pristine? America just has this little infrastructure problem where most EU countries are smaller than our biggest state. It creates a lot of problems with roads and trains and bridges, and it was an awful struggle by Biden to get some kind of funding to maintain them. It'll definitely be a massive problem soon.
I'm an Australian political historian. Three years ago, then two years ago, then one year ago, I was reassuring people I knew that the great underpinning tradition of America -- the Rule of Law -- would see Trump punished appropriately and prevented from ever holding *any* sort of office again, much less the presidency. But we all watched, helpless, as Garland's DOJ proceeded at such a snail's pace with all its investigations and prosecutions, apparently in order to ensure no hint of political bias, that the Rule of Law in America is not only shown up as a sad, bad joke, it's in danger of disappearing altogether. Trump's team of lawyers and corrupt judges were given every possible chance to circle the wagons, mount their inane, insane arguments in defence of his actions, and just play for time. I'm so sad, so nonplussed, at what the USA has become, I can hardly express it.
Things are about to get really messy. Stay as far away from us as you can. This is going to start a war. We rebelled against King George for lesser crimes against the American People then this.
@@Coffeeisnecessarynowpepper No literally actually fits here. The supreme court is in his favor, and there is nothing stopping him from pardoning himself of any crime.
Mershan's... double talk.. i shouldn't have listened to that. It made me deeply sick. Nowhere in the constitution or the law is their any implication that you can't put the president in jail. Nowhere.
Even if it's "probably the best the court could do", it's still so disheartening. In my personal life, I'm surrounded by family that would first ask "what skin colour did they have? Are they an immigrant? Trans?!" the moment someone's charged with stealing a loaf of bread, yet the same family members would gladly vote for Drump in a heartbeat (context: we're Canadian and can't vote in your elections) after Drump has done far worse. It's not just that there's no accountability for the mango that did it - it's the example this sets which hurts so much more. I hear so many vile and hateful things from some of these family members, but seeing their favourite wannabe dictator get away without any meaningful consequence only signals that there'd be no consequence for them, either. They see his terrible behaviour, his absence of morals, his hate, and that the reward is the highest office in the land. What an utter shame.
Right? Like, "it's the best the courts could do" well the court not being able to give a 34 times felon some type of punishment is actually somehow worse!
Did you know they found out who started one of the CA fires and he has admited to it, it was an Illegel imagrant who was wanting to loot houses. (of corse no conection to what you where talking about tho)
"In my personal life, I'm surrounded by family that would first ask "what skin colour did they have? Are they an immigrant? Trans?!" the moment someone's charged with stealing a loaf of bread," I don't think this ever happened
Yes, it's complete BS. Judge should haven't cowered under "avodioding impropriety", and sentenced him months ago and FORCED the supreme court to show their hand.
you assume trump wouldnt do something aboiut it once in office, which is just not how he does things. also, sentences have to be filed within a certain time before being archived. im sure 4 years would make the whole trial decade as a matter of procedure alone
Welp, good to know that so long as you are scheduled for being the president, and you have very very rich backers, you can intimidate the court into not enforcing any sentences.
If he were actually well connected this wouldnt have happened. This was a small clerical error, a civil crime any other rich bastard could blame on their accountant and get off with a tiny fine. The establishment dems and reps arent beating the deepstate allegations. Trump dared to run for president, his true crime.
He clearly didn't try hard enough to look impartial. In order to look impartial he would have had to have said something like, "Due to my daughter's position, I have a conflict of interest and therefore recuse myself from this case." Anything less than that is insufficient.
@@Eternalwarpuppy No. Simply not a feasible option. You know what that opens the door to? Forcing a judge to recuse themselves for anyone they ever associated with having any opinion or action that could be seen as conflict of interest. While my opinion on the legal system is rock bottom due to having to read about all their crap as a historian, this exact action would open precedent for people to blackmail, extort, and instigate false events to create more favorable outcomes in judge choice. We already have to deal with the death threats and threats of physical harm on judge families as an attempt to stifle their rulings. That at least is illegal. Do not expect to open the precedent that some other schmuck's opinion is grounds for recusal. That has rippling effects far downstream. He straight up gave all reasonable opportunities to Trump while keeping the jury verdict relevant. He very much gave more concessions than needed at all. But, and this is big, SCOTUS is a mafia at the top and would have kneecapped him and forcefully dropped all the charges if he did anything else. When you get to create innately political courts at the highest order, you get a helluva lot of leash to play with.
@@juliagoetia that's a nice aphorism but it's not accurate. If he had pushed to impose a penalty the sentencing wouldn't have happened at all. There was cowardice but not on merchans part
I thought the USA had 3 strikes and you get a life sentence it seems they have an unknown boomerang where if you get over 30 strikes you get no punishment at all.
One strike isn't one charge, it is one incident. This would count as one incident, not 34. The fact you don't understand that is pretty telling about how much you don't know. Let's also remember, there was no crime there. They all know it - and the "Conviction" (which is only temporary) was just to influence the election, that's it. The people saw the trial and voted against the conviction.
Children can't vote. There are 244 million people in the US who are past voting age, have not had their right to vote revoked and live in a territory where their vote is counted for President. I think your point stands - just being pedantic.
@aprotosis thank you, I should have remembered that because, during tgr last election, I myself was one of them. I turned 18 a few days after the election last time around. I'm 22 now
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hell no
no, they are just making vigilante justice a more likely norm in our future
You admit the Jury did not have to be unanimous
rules for thee but not for me
It just affirms the 2 tier justice system!
I never want to hear the phrase “no one is above the law” ever again.
This was already long known by any observer with a brain. Wealthy people and politicians have been flouting the law and getting away with it continually for as long as the law exists. National politicians are openly corrupt.
and "party of law and order"
From this day on, we should say 'most people are not above the law'
Us republicans are going to be saying it a lot about corrupt democrats soon.
You ever heard the phrase: "Things have to get worse, before they get better?" Well, I'm sorry to have to say this, but that too is a lie. Things only ever get worse with time. They DO NOT get better. That part is simply a mere illusion, through and through.
*How many poor people sit in jail for years or decades for just ONE felony count against them? America has indeed become an oligarchy*
There's still people in prison for possession of marijuana, a drug that is now legal.
according to most police body cam channels, not very many; I've seen enough where the punishment is just as much of a slap on the wrist as this, so I'm not surprised.
It always will be, and things will get worse.
It always was all forms of government are facades for your local oilarchy.
The US and literally every country favors the rich. Always have, always will, unless we find a permanent solution to make it illegal to horde wealth
"But what if me being a criminal effects my chances of becoming president?" should never be justification to postpone a case, that's so god damn stupid
If anything, it is reason for an expedited process. If defendant is guilty, which Trump is, the people should know before the election. If defendant is not found guilty, they should be cleared of suspicion, which should in an ideal world help their campaign.
@@LaughingOrange Seriously... what backwards f'ing logic.
@@planescaped No, that is the correct logic. You're the one who is backwards. The American people by every critical metric, should know if their candidates for PRESIDENT are criminals or not before the election.
@@LaughingOrangeyou're bringing common sense into the legal system. It has no place there so that's your first mistake.
@@LaughingOrangeyeahhhh but also if you rush through the process, then it brings into question the legitimacy of the process…
If Luigi runs for office, can he get out of prison until after the next election?
MANGIONE 2028
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and then, if he gets into office, can he then pardon himself?
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Don't be silly; he's one of the poors, and laws apply to him
Apparently, yes...
If I committed 34 felonies and was convicted, I'd never see freedom again. Every authority figure I have ever had rings completely hollow now.
You’d never see sunlight.
@ most definitely not, but I also don’t imagine my misdemeanor charge would be elevated to a felony
@@daltonsherrod1573 These 34 charges are not unprecedented in the slightest. They are prosecuted all the time.
And if any of the crimes you were charged with were things like in the documents case or the January 6th case, you wouldn't even be allowed out of jail pending trial. You'd be stuck in a cell until you were either acquitted or were found guilty and moved to a more permanent cell.
@@daltonsherrod1573 if you commit a misdemeanor as part of a larger crime, that’s a felony. I don’t get why you people can never understand this.
10 counts of contempt. No punishment. Guilty on 34 counts. No punishment. The US justice system is worse than I thought.
Tru. So much so for the "WE are a constitutional republic" lol those people are delusional.
Sure on paper, but in reality they took a massive shet on it. President have immunity, what check and balance?
It doesn't exist, it can't if it doesn't apply to everyone.
We have a legal system, not a justice system.
He was fined $10,000 per contempt violation.
@@NickW855 oh no! the poor billionaire will never recover from this financially.
It's insane how their defense is that "the american people deserve a president unencumbered by the law", and "it would hurt his chances to presidency"
THAT'S THE ENTIRE IDEA. You WANT the highest powers to be as accountable as possible, and you DON'T WANT criminals running the country
I really cannot stress enough how outrageous and mindnumbingly idiotic that line of reasoning is
Just because half the country got sweet talked into believing nonsense doesn't mean he should get a pass when actually held to account.
But that half of the country got duped into swinging a club that needs to be swung, but they did it against their fellow citizens rather than against the politicians and billionaires in charge.
You specifically don't want him running the country. More people than not clearly did, otherwise he wouldn't be elected. As long as he is who the American people chose, no, we do not want the most powerful office encumbered.
They know how stupid it is, but they also know they can get away with it. As long as they can cite some reason, no matter how bad, they can pretend and fool enough people into subservience.
Their defense is that this case is a political witch hunt, nothing about the charges are felonious or criminal. The judge didnt allow the a defense, this is something you see in third world countries not a supposed free country
@@drakependragon8439 Please read a book. Or get someone to read it to you. Self-improvement is a really fun way to pass the time. You can do better, we all believe in you!
people wrongly accused of crimes and later let go can’t find jobs sometimes because it’s still on their record that they went to jail. yet this guy is president. i will never get over that fact…
this guy is president *again*.
One starts to wonder y’all secretly enjoy this kind of shit
Ever care to imagine why that's the case or are you just going to punch the air without even considering changing your preconceived notions? If an employer knew the life story of each accused person that asks for a job, you'd find that people are hired for what they're worth rather than how an authority labels you. The majority of adult US citizens have spent years juggling both sides of this coin and a consensus has been made.
This might be news to you, but in the United States of America, We the People decide what is law. And We the People acted as the proper jury.
@@bigdaddynerowe the people found him guilty the judge decided he would suffer no consequences. We the people have no say when multibillion dollar companies have the "right" to lobby for their interests and their interests alone which are often against the best wishes of we the people and unless that is remedied ultimately we have no power
To think that this could all have been avoided if the judges had simply said "Getting into scandals before your election is your problem, not ours - we're not postponing"
Why would the American people accept a criminal to rule over them? This is all just ridiculous all the way around.
Money talks but also silences. It's why we are here. Corruption. We are a third world country.
The presiding judges were checked by the (Trump-appointed) Supreme Court.
Or it could have been avoided if the Supreme Court didn't decide that we don't need to follow the Constitution. According to the Constitution, Trump is not eligible to be an elected official of the United States, including the presidency.
Even more if Garland hadnt bowed to his Federalist Society handlers and slow-walked the J6 investigation. We all saw what happened, it didn't need to take 2 years.
If I was a juror for a trial that i found someone guilty, and the sentence was effectively nothing, I would feel that the court wasted my time.
All they wanted to do from the beginning was waste Trumps time and resources. He wasn't allowed to campaign as much as he wanted because of these lousy cases. We elected Trump for a 3rd term because he saw through the BS the deep state was throwing at him. If they put him through crap and he's innocent, imagine what they'll do to us.
The courts wasted all of our time, they should just say straight,white, wealthy, and male are grounds for being above the law and get it over with. No reason to gas light anymore, half the country has come out as being ok with that fact.
Yeah pretty much
They did. Jury duty should no longer be a civic duty, because the justice system is garbage and should not be taken seriously.
Convicted felons lose some rights BTW. I doubt he cares about his 2nd amendment rights anyway though.
Y'know, we wonder why American citizens are taking the law into their own hands, while we let rich men openly flaunt that they are outside the law.
Yup.
All Luigi has to do is run for president and he's free apparently.
Things that make you go "hmmmmmmm"
I'd say "they wonder" rather than we.
Murica: two wrongs don't make a right we just choose the lesser of evils instead of fixing anything.
No wonder you celebrate murderers and elect felons. It's a circus. It's like make believe. There are just no rules.
Still mind boggling that "Im running for election, yall cant do anything" is now a valid excuse to push the court date back. Ridiculous
A sentence with no punishment is not a sentence, nor even a paragraph, it is a message to the public that rich people are above the law.
It's more like an impeachment.
And the legal process is merely the cost of doing business. It feels like under this precedent, someone could delay sentencing because it would adversely affect their ability to run for any public office, or more broadly, run a company or other 'valued' position. Heck, if part of the consideration is "Having served the country", this might imply that the military could do warcrimes and the people involved not charged because "It was orders given in service of the country."
Crime really DOES pay.
Agreed, they waited this long just to flex on the working class.
This going with the Luigi Mangione case going on right now really puts into perspective how much the courts prefer rich people
Adding a bumper sticker to my car: "The driver of this vehicle is a presidential candidate. Your laws don't apply."
If you get a design down I'll buy it.
It would be better if it said "president-elect" but good idea.
It only works if you are also rich.
Change that to, we make up new laws to go after our political opponents.
@@clarabean2150technically it's a combination, wealth sometimes doesn't help.
Politicians get away with damn near anything.
Imagine if you were to go to trial for a crime you committed and you asked for it to take place after a job interview you had, so that it doesn't hurt your prospects. That would be ridiculous for a job at McDonald's let alone the president!
Oh and that interview... It's a year long.
Dude said "can we postpone this, it might hurt my chances of election" and literally everyone with a brain shapeshifted into Bully Maguire with "I missed the part where that's my problem" like maybe if you don't want to get in trouble with the law, maybe, just maybe, don't commit crimes? The fact that he got away with it is a crime in itself
I get the point of your example, but realize that this would never happen. Job applications usually ask if you've ever been arrested. So in this scenario, you wouldn't be interviewed... whether you did it or not. In Trump's case we interviewed and hired him for another term for some reason.
Umm it happens all the time. I had a friend who hit 2 girls killing one of them got convicted and they kept pushing it back for almost 3 years.
Literally ANYONE else committing 34 felonies would be thrown in jail no questions asked.
Name one of the felonies without using google or any other search engine
@dennismortberg2591 Obstructing an election. Don't pretend that his phone call to Georgia's ballot supervisor or his war cry speech in front of the Capitol were legal.
Falsifying business records. But I may or may not have been watching this very video so...
He's the American Nelson Mandella.
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People flipping burgers at McDonalds have more responsibility for their actions than the president of the united states. What an upside down world we live in.
Donny actually did that, too. That was such a desperate publicity stunt.
you can be a felon & work at mcdonalds, however not if youre convicted of sex crimes. sooo, yeah.
And not even then, considering the snitch of Mangione
It's not even that the president has immunity.
It's that Trump has immunity, which is somehow more infuriating.
Also more dignity then the president.
*”A Tale of Two Justice Systems”*
It was the worst of times, it was the worst of times…
This has created a third-tier of justice
What is check and balance? lol Muricans actually shetted on the constitution.
You mean legal system. There is no justice.
It was the best of times if you're a billionaire who controls the President and the judges.
It was the blurst of times
I spent a summer in law school working misdemeanor prosecutions for domestic violence in New York. We never gave ANYONE an UNCONDITIONAL discharge. Conditional discharge was the lowest plea deal we'd ever offer. With a CD, if you don't commit a crime in the next year, there is no sentence for the crime. Those were misdemeanors. This is 34 felony charges.
A conditional discharge with a sentence suspended for 5 years would have been appropriate here. If he commits no further crimes for the next 5 years, covering his term as President, he would have no sentence for these charges. If there are any further crimes, the sentence is still to be suspended until after he leaves office.
Who needs lawyers when it's cheaper to just buy a couple of judges.
He would have just pardoned himself wouldn't he
I'm still unsure how the charges were elevated to felonies.
"Falsifying business records in the first degree in New York is a class E felony, which occurs when a person commits the second-degree offense with the intent to defraud and also intends to commit or conceal another crime."
"and also intends to commit or conceal another crime"
Did they ever articulate what other crime Trump intended to cover up or commit?
Paying someone hush money isn't a crime, nor is having an affair.
@@wvguy7238 He would need to be convicted and charged before he attempted to pardon himself. It would have been impossible for any other President because they didn't own Congress and the Supreme Court.
@@vgenisis he falsified business records in an attempt to influence the election he was a part of
Well, at least we're not even pretending the law applies to everyone anymore.
he is below the law
People claiming this was a "witch hunt" when he was given a slap on the wrist and was delayed till after the election to give him his best chance.
People still think J6 is a witch hunt. They'll believe anything except that their lord and savior was wrong.
If this happened to anyone that wasn't a conservative, they'd probably be more than willing to let this trial play out and not let them have presidential immunity. And they'd call out anyone who wanted the person treated like Trump was.
@@nerdoftheatre I mean, no probably about it. They whine about Hunter religiously... despite the crime he was convicted of being something they insist is unconstitutional. Hell, if they let things go normally, he'd probably not even been pardoned. Hypocrisy is the entire right-wing existence.
@@MrHamlet "well you see we did 1000 things wrong but you did 5 things wrong. See, we both did 5 things wrong and are equally bad."
@@MrHamletand? Does that make Trump doing it ok?
They need to remove "Are you a convicted felon?" from every job application in the country *_RIGHT NOW!!_*
Or maybe they should have put it on the application for the Presidency.
I was just about to comment this
Felons can now write in "Fewer than the US president" for that question on their application
Well... he's better stay in America cos none outside of US will remove that...
The question on applications is not because of some law. It’s just a business practice. There are some jobs where you would be disqualified, but generally, it’s just a question they ask.
I find it fascinating that the people that voted for Trump are probably the same people that wouldn't want a felon flipping their burgers.
Didn’t Trump signed the criminal justice act of 2018?
I don’t want one running the country but…
Johnny Cash was also a 'felon'
I can't believe the same people who say "No one is above the law" didn't seem to care when Hillary got off for stealing classified documents, Biden got off for stealing classified documents, Comey got off for leaking classified information, Baker got off for fabricating evidence and lying to a court to get a warrant against Trump's campaign etc etc etc.
This is just lawfare. The vast majority of people know Trump didn't commit a crime - and had he never ran for office they would never have gone after him for a clear non-crime.
The thing is that they don't believe he's a felon. They believe everything is a conspiracy against him, that the counts are all fake, that he is innocent. They believe that everyone and everything is against him and that he is always right, as if he's their God. To them, he is an infallible, perfect human being.
Might just be me, but ongoing criminal prosecution should probably be allowed to interfere with a political campaign. Or we just accept that laws are only for the poor.
Delayed from the September sentencing because being convicted of 34 felonies could hurt his chances of re-election. Yeah, no shit.
I am honestly shocked this worked, like what? Seriously? The reason the judicial branch is separate from the executive branch is precisely for things like this, checks and balances. An upcoming election for President (which is the executive branch) should have zero effect on when someone gets sentenced. Absolutely ridiculous.
That's not even counting the illogical nature of the argument itself.
That's like me saying that my sentencing for my various crimes should be delayed due to an upcoming job interview because it'd hurt my chances of getting hired.
Yeah, let's see how you quickly you'd be laughed at if you tried that.
this was a great move by the judge, he did not want to be accused or charged with election fraud on the smallest chance this would be overturned.
@@sams-pg7hj And isn't it just SO incredible that this man can essentially avoid legal accountability by the chance of intimidation? This makes nothing better
@@sams-pg7hj it's a double-edged sword. like yeah, it SHOULDN'T matter that he's running for election. but sadly with our twisted judicial system, it's "plausible" that the judge just sentenced him due to political bias. so stupid
That wasn't Trump's argument at any point in time.
One set of rules for the rich, another for the rest of us. Disgrace.
Maybe get rich then
@@franalytics5995 your comment is so useless.
And now, a new set just for Trump.
Yup. When he was young and naive, my father studied to become an attorney. When he began to see the system is designed to enslave the uneducated, he decided not to become an attorney.
Rules for thee, not for me
Barely a slap on the wrist for Trump, but a massive punch in the face to all of us. This is what poses as "justice" in our country now.
nah, people voted for this. So the all in the statement is Trump WRONG meme
Not even a slap on the wrist..
Who's the victim in this 34 felony case?
You pose a misunderstanding of fraud.
How about the president who pardoned his own son?
I guess vigilante justice is the only justice that exists for the rich in this country. It shouldn't be that way, but apparently, it is.
So you are ok w murder?
@JackL-xe1le I didn't say that. It's sad that rich people feel they are above the law, and have spent years fighting lawsuits and voting/paying off politicians in order to establish a legal system they can weasel their way out of. It should not be this way, the law should apply to everyone equally. But when it doesn't, vigilante justice, which might end up being murder, is the only justice that gets applied to them. That's not something they should want for themselves, but they also won't accept even the lenient fines that usually get levied on them by our current justice system. Vigilante justice isn't real justice, it's a perversion of justice that arises when real justice becomes impossible.
@@trevorjrooney it wasnt even vigilante justice, it was just murder. Ceo committed no crimes, i agree the system sucks but people all over the internet are happy w murder
hahahahahaha good joke
“Without encroaching on the highest office the land.” We have checks and balances for a reason. Different branches are SUPPOSED to override each other sometimes. Prosecuting someone is not encroachment on the executive branch, it is a big part of what the judicial branch’s role is.
The people saw the trial and still elected Trump into office. It's time to start respecting the people. One corrupt state with a corrupt prosecutor and a corrupt judge shouldn't decide the fate of the U.S Presidency - though they tried really hard.
@@Benny_512Can you explain the evidence behind the claim that the prosecutor and judge are corrupt?
@@ShadyLife101 The prosecutor is a Democrat who ran on "Getting Trump" - having harassed Trump for years. He declined to prosecute this very case for years - until Trump was the nominee, then all of a sudden brought the case to influence an election.
The Judge's own daughter is a Democrat operative who received a massive promotion just before this case came to his desk. He received the case despite not being in the running to get it (It should have been randomly assigned, but he wasn't in that rotation of judges) which means it was specifically assigned to him.
Merchan also received the bulk of other Trump-Related cases too.
Merchan also donated to Democrats and a specific PAC with the number 1 stated goal of 'Stopping Trump'. Any one of these 3 should result in a recusal for an appearance of bias, but didn't.
Then we get to Merchan saying Trump didn't have presidential immunity - when he did. Ruled against Trump at every opportunity against case-law (Such as Richardson V United States 1999) - and even let non-probative evidence in that sought ONLY to prejudice Trump.
He also let a convicted liar, Cohen, lie in his court room.
And to top it all off, Cohen admitted to stealing money from Trump, which the prosecutors knew about - which is a more serious crime than that they're alleging Trump did - and gave Cohen immunity instead.
@@Benny_512 Thank you for your response. I will look into all of what you’ve stated as I had not known of these details.
Prosecuting someone is not a role of the judicial branch and god forbid it ever becomes one
When I was 20 years old, I got a minor in possession of alcohol. 3 weeks shy of 21. The judge gave me a 1 year suspended sentence. I stayed out of trouble for the year and he let it go.
How about that for 34 felonies, but exactly 4 years? I feel like this is a total lack of justice.
He's going to commit more crimes. It's kind of his thing.
Not giving a suspended sentence is wild to me. It just makes sense based on our legal norms.
"The president of the United States cannot do his job without breaking the law" -basically what the Supreme court ruled
People routinely steal goods or vandalized property in US and are not penalized so it just another example of protected classes same as always in the US
except your king....sorry, your president is above the law. if your king....man, that keeps happening huh? "president" does it, it isnt a crime.
You got a minor in possession of alcohol?
What did you major in? :D
So he was found guilty of 34 felonies, showed no remorse, actively defied court orders, and still got off with no punishment.
Nice work, Merchan.
Well, I doubt that anything will be possible. It's politically charged case and dismissing or sentencing would definitely cause national drama
@@kadyrbekalibekov1941 It's only politically charged by the side that is all about "the rule of law" but also ok with no punishment for crimes confessed to on national tv. Lmao.
@@kadyrbekalibekov1941 one of the key points of justice is doing the right thing when it is hard. Very clearly this has shown that justice is not available through the court system.
Dude, Merchan’s hands were tied. Any other sentence would have resulted in the Supreme Court intervening.
@@_somerandomguyontheinternet_ that doesn't matter. It would have at least FORCED the supreme court to rule that Trump is above the law. It would have forced them to be on the record for saying that it doesn't matter what felonies Trump committed that he was above the law.
This is just another reason why no one with a shred of self respect wants to visit America.
Isn't a leader who has no repercussions for breaking the law a dictator?
Yap. We will be there in a couple of days. Americas time as a free nation of laws is over. Probably elections too.
You all have never seen a proper dictator for this to be a valid comparison, pointing at a piece of reality you chose to believe and getting flustered up about it whilst knowingly or not ignoring anything else that might break your emotional cycle is not healthy! Learn to weigh your pros and cons and start acting on what works, otherwise thinking for yourself will be a far concept to grasp.
@@Jartran72 You lost.
@@Jartran72 It feels weird liking this comment. I agree, but I don't like it.
@@rubelan3552 We've seen enough rulers of banana republics acting with complete impunity to know that letting rich crooks run countries never ends well. Honestly never thought that the USA would become one of those banana republics.
I don't see why anyone should respect the rule of law in the US anymore
They haven’t for a while.
You don't have to. That is, as long as you have enough money
You can. You just need to be wealthy and powerful enough.
They can but only if you're a bootlicker of Dump
That's basically what luigi did
People have been given life sentences for owning a specific hallucinogenic plant. They don't even have to smoke it or sell it, they just have to own it. When I got my crossing guard job, I had to take two background checks and drug tests. They wanted to make sure I'm clean as possible.
Yet our president can have 34 felonies and possibly MORE we don't know about and be president. I don't want to hear about not being able to get a job for having a small criminal record ever again.
I get your point, but the hyperbole makes you look bad.
Yes, giving prison sentences for most instances of mere drug possession is too harsh, but it's not possible to get a lifetime sentence for drug possession unless you actually die in prison before your sentence is up.
@Compucles not possible in a direct sense, sure, but people do spend their whole lives in prison for minor charges. The amount of people who get lost in the system and/or are forced to stay longer for profit in the prison is still rather large problem, and it's robbed many lives away
I guarantee the majority of politicians have had their fair share of shady dealings. If we were to witch hunt and seek to convict every politician, Trump would most likely not be the only one with felonies, let alone 34. This is just how more billionaires are like when doing business.
@@Compucles except it does happen. People who do get decades for possessing minor drugs like weed, mushrooms, etc. That, or people who just get stuck in a purgatory because they get lost in the system or their case just never comes up. Its not hyperbole, its real.
@@Compucles aren't there states that count water containing traces of drugs as if it was 100% the drug and then make ridiculous charges based on the weight? I vaguely remember hearing about that every now and then, the most recent one was something like 30 years for a single bongs worth of water iirc
I'm having trouble discerning who has shown greater levels of contempt for the justice system - the defendant or the court officers.
If the verdict was going to be "Well... never mind", why did anyone bother? Why waste the time, money, and credibility of the court system?
The American justice system is an absolute joke.
Not really, atleast jokes are funny. This is just sad.
It's going to get infinitely worse in a week. Pray for us.
no it won’t. You’ll be just fine.
There is a Justice System out there that works and its Name is Luigi Mangione. (Although he was with me that day and therefore innocent)
System ain't broken. It's working as intended.
I can’t even listen to events like this because it makes me so mad. I have been taught since the beginning of my life that no man is above the law including a president. That we have checks and balances so people can’t abuse power.
Turns out laws can be broken as long as you have power.
Welcome to reality - it has literally always been like this
I hate that this happened - but I'm glad more people are now aware of what has been obvious since the dawn of civilization - those in power will roll you
I'm glad more people are aware of this so we can do something about it...maybe by 2100!
I'm afraid it's just how society is and probably will always be.
The law of the land is only as powerful as people make it, and other forms of power (money, influence, military might), are capable of challenging that power. People with money or popularity almost universally get lighter sentences if any because the system is afraid to deal with their followers. If a prominent gang member with connections that can get high ranking people killed is under investigation then that case is likely being put on hold similarly until someone is brave enough to go after them.
That wasn't even a slap on the wrist. More like a stern finger wag to the face
Indeed. Any form of mild punishment would be a slap on the wrist. No punishment is just a stern talk at best cause some people would consider listening to a stern talk a punishment already.
Charges like this are seldomly filed and indeed, very similar sentences have been rendered to about 30 other people over the past decade.
Not even that, homie got a handshake and a high five
More like a stern pat on the back if anything
wasn't even that. it was more like a playful "ohhhh you!"
The fact that he was getting no punishment and STILL fighting against even that speaks of his stupidity
Well at least we have an actual date that we can point to as the definitive point when democracy died in the US.
but what about the time Nixon got himself pardoned
@@noahk3496 gerald ford did that. dont get it twisted.
muricans have electoral collage and gerrymandering, it's only a democracy is you squint really hard. you can't loose something you never had.
1/20/2021
@@FD2003Abc That comment has no justification. Biden won in 2020 despite the cheating and crimes Trump committed.
Trump is living proof that in the U.S. with enough money and power the laws don't apply. You know, like a King.
Wrongful convictions have a chance to appeal it
Even King is inaccurate. The Magna Carta prevents a monarch from escaping justice
For a country that seems obsessed with not being an empire or absolute monarchy, it certainly does a lot that makes it seem like one
Welcome to capitalism baby
I notice your silence on OJ Simpson.. He committed multiple homicides in 1994 and got off. That's way worse than anything Trump did.
When they said justice is blind, I didn't think they meant it was turning a blind eye.
If you put enough gold on the scale, you can buy a verdict.
12 jurors of our peers decided he didn't need to be punished. Cry harder
Justice is not blind. And its stands there holding its pockets open.
That's a good one! Mind if I use that quote in my conversations later?
@@prodmoirait’s not crying, it’s stating an opinion on a controversial topic, you just happen to feel differently. And that’s cool, that’s your right to express your opinion. I honestly disagree with letting him go without punishment, like Legal Eagle. Granting Presidents immunity and king-like power is a direct insult to our forefathers (again, my opinion). They created a government of the people, by the people, for the people. Our government today does not represent the people, regardless of which party holds office. We have been conditioned to constantly lower our expectations every voting cycle by voting for who we perceive to be the lesser of two evils instead of who we believe is best suited to run the country. Gerrymandering has ruined local and state elections across the country, as it enables politicians to choose their voters, instead of the other way around. Until we fix these core issues and bring law and order back so that it’s applicable to everyone regardless of status, then America cannot and will not be great again (my opinion).
>Seeing the blue disclaimer under the video.
"YOU DON'T HAVE TO RUB IT IN UA-cam"
All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others...
If there is hope... it lies with the proles.
These are some elite references right here.
Crazy how France can convict a pig in 1386 but America won't punish a carrot in 2025
That’s not a carrot, it’s a pumpkin.
Context? I'm curious.
It's not even a carrot, that was be saying that he was skinny.
It's better to say that he is the human embodiment of the Annoying Orange
@@luischeco3009 on Wikipedia, excerpt from the article Animal Trial: _"for example, a pig that killed a child in the Norman city of Failaise in 1386 and, in so doing, mutilated its face and arms, was subjected to the same mutilations prior to being hung. This scene was later memorialised in a fresco painted in the local church."_
So much for no one being above the law. This country is a joke.
SHUT IT DOWN!!
We have the best government that money can buy.
No. The thing about jokes is that jokes are funny. This country is just depressing.
Have you heard of hunter Biden? Joe Biden pardoned his son for crimes spanning over the course of 11 years. They are in fact, above the law.
Just remember Hunter got a pardon, so he is above the law, after Joe said he wouldn't interfere. Have a nice day.
People keep saying that he BELIEVES he's above the law, but truth is he absolutely IS above the law
Uh, dude, "the American people didn't want to see him charged..." okay, set Luigi free. There is actual evidence people want him free
He should run for Congress and see if it works for him, too.
Its really cool watching a country slowly revert back to 18th century monarchy and being told this is just and fair.
It's also cool watching a country, like a 18th century monarchy, question my country's (and other countries') sovereignty and make threats to annex it.
@NSluiter Which "5xth state" are you from?
Frankly, I think DC should be 51 but that's a whole other kettle of fish than Dump's plans
More importantly to go back to a form of absolute monarchy more extreme than even King George you had a revolution against!
@@efad3215 What about poor Puerto Rico, or Guam? the US has plenty of places that it already owns to make states in the 50's
@@kauske Also American Samoa. And I feel like I'm forgetting at least one more.
The privilege for this case ruling is unprecedented.
You play "The Trump sentencing" and I raise you Hunter Biden, all of Epstein's associates, Elon Musk, Bill Clinton, Silvio Berlusconi, Jacob Zuma, Alberto Fujimori, Nicolas Sarkozy, Rod Blagojevich, Luis Donaldo Colosio, and many, MANY more. Just because a specific case is 'more in the picture', doesn't mean it's unprecedented. It's of all ages, of all political leanings, all over the world, all the time, and no one really does anything about it.
bought privilege at that
This president is unprecedented.
To be fair, the whole situation is unprecedented, but I agree with your sentiment.
It'll be overturned soon because it's a travesty of justice. Juan merchan will be in jail soon hopefully.
I don't want to see the convicted felon question on a job application ever again
You got that right!
easy. just be rich and it no issue at all.
“no one is above the law”
That term now is officially meaningless in the US now. And it looks like American voters wanted this too.
This isnt really on Mechan, Murica. This is on you for giving him a get out of jail free card. This is your fault.
ummm, every president have made decisions that lead to many deaths. if they were not above the law, they would all be put in prison. it wouldnt work
That stupid term of “no one is above the law” is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard in my life. Like have you ever heard of a war????
You mean when Biden stole classified documents over decades and didn't even get charged?
But you're upset that Trump; who didn't commit a crime - was railroaded by a corrupt judge, but didn't get put in jail for life over legal conduct?
@@dogollie2715 Geneva Conventions and Law of Land Warfare exist. One of the first things we learned about in Basic training and most of us lived our lives by it. I don't disagree with the point you're making, but as a caveat the vast majority of us at least tried to be better than butchers.
@ the Geneva Convention is cool and all, but it doesn’t mean anything if the winning countries of a war violates it. I mean we had a president directly responsible for nuking Japan twice and he was never put to trial because we won.
I hate that Donald Trump can claim these systems are broken and unfairly treating him, and literally be paying four supreme court judges to give him immunity for whatever he wants, even personal affairs from 15 years ago. There is no counter argument for that being damaging to law in our country.
I mean, he is being treated unfairly. If things were fair, he'd be in jail right now.
Show me their paychecks. Some guy tells you online that they are in his pocket without showing you any proof and you run with it. Did Trump also pay the 77+ million people who voted for him too? 77 million people effectively voted to null the convictions. Sulk about it
@ “Some guy(a literal lawyer) tells you online that they are in his pocket(the justices actively claim to be right wing) without showing you any proof(Clarence Thomas bribes are well-documented) and you run with it(take the most basic reasonable conclusion from that information)”
This is not the comeback you think it is lol
“Did Trump also pay the 77+ million people who voted for him too?” No but Elon verifiably contributed millions upon millions of dollars while also attempting to illegally do $100 voter raffles. Does that sounds like someone who’s intention is to win by proving they’ll do what’s best for you? Doesn’t to me.
Hate is not a good feeling to have in your heart. I hope you heal and are eventually able to let go of your hatred of Donald Trump.
Projection, these systems are broken, *he* was the one that broke it.
If I was convicted of 34 felonies and given 0 consequences on it after vaguely threatening the judge's daughter and being found in contempt 10 times I too would have 0 respect for the court. Why would anyone?
There wasn't much the court could do anyway, he would be out on the 20th anyway after giving him help a presidential pardon, all the court could've really done is to postpone it for 4+ years and wait until his term was over, which wouldn't have worked because he would've dismissed the case himself as president.
@@Catalion The President can't (legally) dismiss State cases, only federal ones.
An average citizen would be in jail for 30 years.
This going with the Luigi Mangione case going on right now really puts into perspective how much the courts prefer rich people.
Guess he should say he is running for presidency for 2028. Then he’ll probably get off 🙄 yk bc a case like that would hurt his prospect for becoming president 🙄
@@Moon_x_sun I'd vote for him.
Lol, Luigi is rich people.
@abcdbcde8586 His parents are rich. Doesn't automatically mean that he falls into that same category. Also, he would never face the same charges had it been a homeless person, and not the CEO of a multi-billion dollar company.
murdering someone in cold blood because of their job is okay but mislabelling your hooker-hush money is not? Okay, crazy...
Question: If I attempt to join a private club that Donald Trump is also a member of, but I'm denied because I'm a convicted felon can I sue them?
No, it’s not illegal to “discriminate” based on criminal history, this also means you do not have to treat all criminal records the same. A Walmart is more likely to hire somebody with a domestic abuse record than with a shoplifting record, and is well within their rights to.
Yes!
Private clubs are under no obligation to explain why membership would be denied, and even if they did, membership is still at their discretion. You aren't automatically invited unless they find something objectionable. A private club is under no obligation to let anyone join they don't want and can discriminate for any reason.
If a private club has rules about allowing convicted felons to join, that doesn't necessarily mean they don't have members who became felons after they join. I wouldn't worry about it too much though, this whole "convicted felon" label won't last more than a few months anyway. This case falls apart as soon as it gets out of New York just like every other case did.
@@Eternalwarpuppy This was them cementing the case. He still has his appeal, but that's literally it.
I can’t believe that our country has been dragged to its knees by people unable to take no for an answer. It’s utterly pathetic that it’s all it took.
💯
this is very unfortunate
this ruins my summer plans
@@bigbananabill the real question is:
How will it effect the trout population?
I appreciate this channel for making complex legal topics more accessible to legally illiterate people like me. While I certainly don't envy the NY judge, unfortunately this case seems to reinforce two ideas: American jurisprudence is anything but blind and that there are special rules for special people.
I have a small dream, wherein the Supreme Court is sued for judicial malfeasance, it makes me smile.
All of this is terrible, but it really irritates me that the reason they postponed was because he was running for president. They argued that it would affect his election chances. So they don't want us to know he's a felon, because god forbid voters are informed about their choice.
the judge was very smart to delay sentencing on the off chance trump won, but also on the off chance this gets turned over on appeal. Image the firestorm if trump had been thrown in jail, unable to campaign, and then it gets overturned. That is major election interference
The trump based voters don’t care if he’s a felon or not.
It wouldn’t have mattered. Everything learned today was said all the time but they didn’t want to listen anyway.
The only thing that mattered was any opportunities to make his election campaign invalid and that was dead on arrival.
Uninformed ≠ ignorance. Just... thought I should put that out there.
Anyone paying attention on either side already knew what the score was. You know what? I don't think it would have changed the outcome. If anything his supporters would have ate it up.
@ his supporters would have, but what about the people who aren't and voted for him? We joke about how could anyone be undecided, but some people actually were.
So what I’m hearing is, we just need to get Luigi Mangione on the presidential ballot.
According to this precedent, if he runs for president in the 2028 election, he shouldn't be charged until after the 2028 election. And if he gets elected, even if he is found guilty he should have no punishment, just like Trump.
We should honestly get that to happen, and then elect him president so that his crimes all go away, too
Let's see how quickly the tune is changed when the shoe is on the other foot.
No, because he actually committed a heinous crime
@@jasonmaclean719and trump didn’t commit crimes?
Allegedly *
"Without encroaching upon the highest office in the land". Excuse me? You're not sentencing a damned office, you're sentencing someone who "encroached" on a felony. I don't care how high your office is, once you put a felon in that office it should NOT be above the law. So, what, if we officially change our address to "the oval office - Washington D.C." we can just break whatever laws we want? Good to know!
Justices are already above the law why should they think otherwise about their cronies?
I mean the judges choice was to do it this way or not at all. At least its on the record this way...
Actually that's almost exactly what the Supreme Court ruled in the immunity case.
The only consequence you can suffer as a President of the United States without a whole boatload of legal barriers is an impeachment by the House of Representatives and then conviction by the Senate. So as long as less than 66 senators are in the other party from the one you ran for, you're effectively immune to all consequences for anything you do
He's not even in office yet, but also the highest office in the land should be encroached on if the holder is convicted of dozens of felonies. The investigation and proceedings have been going nonstop for 4 years, why is it suddenly considered encroaching in the last minute?
The *best* the court could do isn't good enough. Why should any of the rest of us be held accountable for our actions if a person who *should* be held to the highest standard is held to no standard at all?
I hope "34 felonies = no punishment" is brought up at every sentencing in front of Merchan for the rest of his hopefully short tenure.
Merchan might be off the bench when this gets overturned. NY courts already dislike the loan appeal case, they are not going to like this fake 34 felonies case
If I ever am up for jury selection I will bring it up. "I cannot in good faith find anybody guilty unless they exceed the amount of crime that these united states first felon president committed and had no punishment other than having another title added. If the case doesn't reach that level I suggest you not waste everybody's time and send me home."
The way I see it, he's not the one you should be accusing, but the supreme court judges "bought and paid for" that started this mess in the first place. Merchan fought to keep the sentencing going every step. It was literally illegal for him to sentence trump
Not Merchan's fault, this was the ONLY sentence he could hand down that wouldn't have immediately been reversed, and probably have the whole case dismissed. That said, I'd bring it up at every sentencing hearing with every judge to point out how absurd and what a miscarriage of justice this is.
he wasn't his fault. He was basically forced.
He committed crimes before his first term, during his first term, and immediately after his first term.
What do you think he's going to do in his second term?
Crimes
@@modernorpheus change the definition of a crime probably.
This time he's got total immunity and his lawyers are running the DOJ, so let's go with the worst things you can imagine.
Everything's going to be fine. Everyone's over reacting. Just calm down
@@clarabean2150 But only for him and his friends, because god forbid anyone else who isn't him or his friends do the exact same things.
Despite all of his chaos, they simply put on a show to make it seem like they would hold him accountable, knowing they were not going to go through with it. We'll see which citizens get the same treatment in the next 4 years.
To be fair.
In 10 days he would have pardoned himself .
Hell.
He could still probably do so.
@@istvankarolyfarkas6125 These are state charges, not federal, so he legally* cannot pardon himself
(*legally until the supreme court rules that the president can override state laws)
Not just a president, but even just a guy who might be president some day, is now exempt from any punishment that matters, by precedent.
People who catch 34 felonies should get the same kind of punishment that any other person would get. There's no constitutional reason to let him skate.
With great power comes no responsibility.
With great wealth comes great power
Accountability
the ONLY good thing i can say about this case is that they (the judicial system of the US) are finally saying the quiet parts out loud: the US judicial system has always been an oligarchy
The only silver lining - hopefully it wakes more of our fellow citizens up
Country is a joke and always has been
Why is it the more power someone has the less responsibility for their actions they have
Because they make the rules.
Because power is power.
That has been in the rule book since the dawn of civilization. Only if a powerful person loses power do they suffer negative consequences.
Thing is USA, has this dumb rule book made like 200 years ago.
Then USA in their infinite wisdow thinks : hey lets try to understand what old white man were thinking 200 years ago, and lets apply this nonsense today.
results : current usa.
Because of that power.
Imagine this - somewhere and/or sometime in the past, when the law and courts didn't exist, the strongest guy could do whatever he wanted. Even if you wanted to punish him - how would you? The one with the biggest muscles makes the rules
So, if I'm hearing this right, Judge Merchan effectively said, "I and the entire justice system are utterly useless in holding rich people accountable."
What is a deeply troubled and frustrated nation to do if we cannot trust the system that's supposed to enforce the rules?
I don't like where this is going.
People are running out of options, and scarily...
Only violence has shown to be listened to... This seems too obvious to be real right? I'm scared brother/sister...
Our judges are cowards.
Sadly they are not OUR judges. They belong to the wealthy.
Like the video points out the judge didn't have much choice.
Garland is the coward.
@@KS-PNW Garland was not involved in this case. This was a state case, not federal. Yes, Garland is a coward, but so is Merchan. He wasn't sending Trump to prison, but a hefty fine (which he would never pay) and probation were certainly not out of the picture.
@chriswright7259 of course Garland wasn't involved in *THIS CASE* but he chose to slow roll the prosecutions until it was too late.
And NO this isn't on merchan because he literally didn't have a choice. Scotus only let this happen at all because there was no penalty. Fine and probation were out of the picture.
@@chriswright7259 pretty basic stuff here
This is actually crazy. How literally so many men and women are WRONGFULLY CONVICTED and this dude gets off actually Scott-Free. So crazy.
Still got more than half of the country who are deluded to think that they are a constitutional republic.
Well if it makes you feel better, quite a few wrongfully convicted people charged with trespassing on January 6th will be pardoned in a few days.
@@Eternalwarpuppy They weren't convicted for trespassing, they were convicted for destroying government property and assaulting police officers. There's tons of video evidence. Don't let them lie to you.
@@Eternalwarpuppy They desecrated a government building and attacked police officers. There's tons of video evidence if you don't believe me.
@@Eternalwarpuppy How, exactly, was it a wrongful conviction? Were they not there? Surely, you're not going to lie and say they were "invited in," right? When there's videos showing them breaking in?
"And this will be one nation, under the dollar, with liberty and justice for none." -Lisa Simpsons
I’ve been saying for years that laws are for people without wealth or influence. Not surprised by this ruling. I’m poor so i get to say that.
“Miscarriage of justice” so rarely fits the actual circumstances, yet I feel like this completed trial resulted in not one, but 34.
Not even a miscarriage, but an abortion. They decided to cut it short before it could go to term because they didn't like what the outcome would mean.
How is it a start, it is literally the opposite of a start. Welcome to America, where you legitimately cannot be punished for crimes if you are rich enough.
And he's not even that rich, imagine what someone with real money like Bezos, Gates, or Musk could get away with.
@@futuza Musk is threatening multiple members of congress to do his bidding and he also is suffering no repercussions.
He really should have been sentenced to 14 days in prison, releasing at 11am on January 27th, with a suspended sentence of 5 years in prison and a $50,000,000 fine.
The appeal process is going to eat these "felonies" alive, they are not felonies.
The best the court could have done would have been not slow-walking this case for years and treating it with the expedience it required.
Justice in America is officially dead.
Exactly why it was delayed. It was transparently obvious from the start and everyone with decision making power who allowed it to happen is complicit, and considering they aided an asset of a foreign power to take the presidency while being an active criminal, I'd say it qualifies as treason.
No one else should be in jail if this is how the system is going to be run. Let them all out.
How about no. There are true psychopaths in there.
Trump was wrongfully convicted
@@FactHereticOne of them is president yet again.
@@FactHeretic And most of the people in prison aren't them lol. Unless you count the jail guards I guess.
@@Mid-Suavemente
One of them is currently president also
In what world are bribes "legal expenses"!?
Welcome to the u.s 😂
In a country where NDA is a thing...
In a world where you payments made to a lawyer are called "bribes"
What bookkeeping category do you think they belong in? I've not had to categorize payments but I have had to categorize my hours spent in my career and often it is unclear which "bucket" to log my time to. I'm not sure that paying of an affair is a common-enough book-keeping entry that it is clear what to log it to. Are there generally accepted accounting practices for this? Considering it is related to legal risk and handled by a lawyer, I don't see how legal expense is unreasonable.
Where Cohen lies about it
As a British person all I can reasonably say is: I'm confused. Our monarch is literally above the law, but on the very strong understanding that if they ever break that, then they'll be removed from (their theoretical) power. You have the opposite where someone commits crimes to get into power, I don't quite understand.
The Republican party is little more then Trump's cult of personality these days.
Late stage capitalism, everything happening is what the rich want, were fighting each other while the government strips our rights away.
If you don't want a sentencing to ruin your plans, perhaps don't commit crimes.
Unreal that they delayed the sentencing and have now not even given him the punishment for the crime. Nobody should be alive the law.
Congratulations on your new king, America.
Have you looked at what this case was about? Crime...really?
What crimes did he commit?
@@jasonmaclean719 none in this particular case.
Not a king, dictator.
@@Jartran72 he's removed more regulations and restrictions from the people than any president ever. The opposite of a dictator
Can't imagine why people have lost faith in the systems that run this country. Add the legal system to the pile with the political system, the federal system, the financial system, and the healthcare system.
As a European it's primarily your infrastructure that never fails to boggle my mind. Don't forget to add that to the list as well!
@ It's okay. Ours is fairly recent. Give it a hundred years and all our roads and bridges and shit will be just as bad as yours.
@@SageVallant Have you ever been to Europe?
@ No. Why, are the roads perfect and pristine?
America just has this little infrastructure problem where most EU countries are smaller than our biggest state. It creates a lot of problems with roads and trains and bridges, and it was an awful struggle by Biden to get some kind of funding to maintain them. It'll definitely be a massive problem soon.
"If a President does it, it is not illegal." Nixon was just a few years ahead of his time.
I'm an Australian political historian. Three years ago, then two years ago, then one year ago, I was reassuring people I knew that the great underpinning tradition of America -- the Rule of Law -- would see Trump punished appropriately and prevented from ever holding *any* sort of office again, much less the presidency. But we all watched, helpless, as Garland's DOJ proceeded at such a snail's pace with all its investigations and prosecutions, apparently in order to ensure no hint of political bias, that the Rule of Law in America is not only shown up as a sad, bad joke, it's in danger of disappearing altogether.
Trump's team of lawyers and corrupt judges were given every possible chance to circle the wagons, mount their inane, insane arguments in defence of his actions, and just play for time.
I'm so sad, so nonplussed, at what the USA has become, I can hardly express it.
Things are about to get really messy. Stay as far away from us as you can. This is going to start a war. We rebelled against King George for lesser crimes against the American People then this.
So basically he's literally above the law !? 😮
Figuratively
@@Coffeeisnecessarynowpepper No literally actually fits here. The supreme court is in his favor, and there is nothing stopping him from pardoning himself of any crime.
Yes, literally. Not basically. He no longer has to follow the law. The rich and powerful are above the common man under law now
Has been since birth
Yep, just like Biden.
You guys sure forgot about the 11-year blanket pardon fast.
6:25 Yeah, we do. Thats' why there was a 14th amendment to prevent him from taking office. But ya'll ruined that.
Mershan's... double talk.. i shouldn't have listened to that. It made me deeply sick.
Nowhere in the constitution or the law is their any implication that you can't put the president in jail. Nowhere.
Merchan could have given Trump at least probation and a big fine. Trump getting away with punishment is just bad.
@@linkesocke4533not really. Scotus only let this happen at all because there was no penalty
Even if it's "probably the best the court could do", it's still so disheartening. In my personal life, I'm surrounded by family that would first ask "what skin colour did they have? Are they an immigrant? Trans?!" the moment someone's charged with stealing a loaf of bread, yet the same family members would gladly vote for Drump in a heartbeat (context: we're Canadian and can't vote in your elections) after Drump has done far worse.
It's not just that there's no accountability for the mango that did it - it's the example this sets which hurts so much more. I hear so many vile and hateful things from some of these family members, but seeing their favourite wannabe dictator get away without any meaningful consequence only signals that there'd be no consequence for them, either. They see his terrible behaviour, his absence of morals, his hate, and that the reward is the highest office in the land.
What an utter shame.
Right? Like, "it's the best the courts could do" well the court not being able to give a 34 times felon some type of punishment is actually somehow worse!
I wish America would start it all from the beginning. Back when the country was created based on ideals of liberty and union.
Did you know they found out who started one of the CA fires and he has admited to it, it was an Illegel imagrant who was wanting to loot houses. (of corse no conection to what you where talking about tho)
"In my personal life, I'm surrounded by family that would first ask "what skin colour did they have? Are they an immigrant? Trans?!" the moment someone's charged with stealing a loaf of bread,"
I don't think this ever happened
Yes, it's complete BS. Judge should haven't cowered under "avodioding impropriety", and sentenced him months ago and FORCED the supreme court to show their hand.
I feel like I’m in an alternate reality and I’m wondering how I got here. I can’t even right now.
The judge could have sentenced him to prison AFTER he left office, but instead they gave a life long criminal another pass. 🤬
you assume trump wouldnt do something aboiut it once in office, which is just not how he does things.
also, sentences have to be filed within a certain time before being archived. im sure 4 years would make the whole trial decade as a matter of procedure alone
Welp, good to know that so long as you are scheduled for being the president, and you have very very rich backers, you can intimidate the court into not enforcing any sentences.
If he were actually well connected this wouldnt have happened. This was a small clerical error, a civil crime any other rich bastard could blame on their accountant and get off with a tiny fine. The establishment dems and reps arent beating the deepstate allegations. Trump dared to run for president, his true crime.
How would you imprison a sitting president?
@@theforcedmemethe same way you’d imprison anyone else in this Godforsaken country. Next obvious question?
@@theforcedmeme Arrest him and put him in prison and then have the vice president take over?
"And justice for all"..... except of course for those who have so thoroughly gamed the system they now own it.
Edit: "Justice for some"
Trump was wrongfully convicted
so stealing a candy bar will get you in more trouble than what trump did? the us legal system is such a joke.
yep, welcome to oligarchy
If you try too hard to look impartial, you end up looking biased in the opposite direction. And I feel that what this judge inevitably did.
He really didn't have a choice.
This is really on prosecutors who dilly-dallied in waiting to charge him.
He clearly didn't try hard enough to look impartial. In order to look impartial he would have had to have said something like, "Due to my daughter's position, I have a conflict of interest and therefore recuse myself from this case." Anything less than that is insufficient.
@@Eternalwarpuppy No. Simply not a feasible option. You know what that opens the door to? Forcing a judge to recuse themselves for anyone they ever associated with having any opinion or action that could be seen as conflict of interest. While my opinion on the legal system is rock bottom due to having to read about all their crap as a historian, this exact action would open precedent for people to blackmail, extort, and instigate false events to create more favorable outcomes in judge choice. We already have to deal with the death threats and threats of physical harm on judge families as an attempt to stifle their rulings. That at least is illegal. Do not expect to open the precedent that some other schmuck's opinion is grounds for recusal. That has rippling effects far downstream.
He straight up gave all reasonable opportunities to Trump while keeping the jury verdict relevant. He very much gave more concessions than needed at all. But, and this is big, SCOTUS is a mafia at the top and would have kneecapped him and forcefully dropped all the charges if he did anything else. When you get to create innately political courts at the highest order, you get a helluva lot of leash to play with.
@@KS-PNW There's always a choice, you just have to not be a coward
@@juliagoetia that's a nice aphorism but it's not accurate. If he had pushed to impose a penalty the sentencing wouldn't have happened at all.
There was cowardice but not on merchans part
I thought the USA had 3 strikes and you get a life sentence it seems they have an unknown boomerang where if you get over 30 strikes you get no punishment at all.
They don't have an unknown boomerang. Don't try it yourself. It's simply not a justice that applies to us.
One strike isn't one charge, it is one incident. This would count as one incident, not 34. The fact you don't understand that is pretty telling about how much you don't know.
Let's also remember, there was no crime there. They all know it - and the "Conviction" (which is only temporary) was just to influence the election, that's it. The people saw the trial and voted against the conviction.
Some states do have 3 strikes and life laws, not all. And this boomerang sucks so bad I can’t articulate it.
That's just because people profit off their sentencing, private prisons are... Businesses, eughhhh
Less than one quarter of the legal US population elected the next president.
Roughly 75 million of roughly 336 million.
Just so you know.
Everyone knows that probably... you only need 20% of the general voting populace to win the presidential seat
The rest sat by and watched as American Democracy burned.
Children can't vote. There are 244 million people in the US who are past voting age, have not had their right to vote revoked and live in a territory where their vote is counted for President. I think your point stands - just being pedantic.
@aprotosis thank you, I should have remembered that because, during tgr last election, I myself was one of them. I turned 18 a few days after the election last time around. I'm 22 now
you people who did not vote I hope you’re happy now.