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Bad move to take sponsorship from them. You might want to do your research. Literally a search on UA-cam will bring up what you need. There are loads of videos on their shady practices. Go educate yourself. It's not therapy.
I always am amazed at how immense Everest is and how trying to climb, it has gone from being seen as a superhuman accomplishment to "a rich man's game." Always learn something here. Thanks for sharing as always
And you only see from Nepal side. It’s even bigger than that but from what I’ve learned the other areas can’t be climbed or are too dangerous to climb!!
If I got stuck in the traffic jam along those ridges on Everest, I would have an absolute panic attack, then use all my oxygen panicking. Better I just watch from home I think 🙂
Great video. The drones are good, in my opinion. Thanks for sharing! And everyone should watch your videos and the expedition you guys did in 2019. It's one of my favorites.
Mountaineering is a calling! It can be magical...it can be nightmarish! You have to be at the top of your game both mentally and physically! Love the channel, Thom!
Thanks for sticking around til the end. If I could do videos that just talked about that and put food on my table, I most assuredly would. Working on it....you might enjoy the member videos (which I provide free on patreon . com/everestmystery). Cheers and thanks so much for your interest!
It's PR reasons for wanting them removed. If they really wanted to solve the issue of people dying on the mountain, they'd treat it with the respect the Chinese have on their side.
It’s extraordinary the man power it takes to do the things that are done on Everest. Sorry I missed your live last weekend, I was sick! Hoping to see one soon!
I'm really glad you let BetterHelp be a sponsor. I just used your link and signed up. It's time again. Things are going so good in my life, in a huge part because of your channel, but I'm the master of sabotaging things when they get too good. I've never felt I deserved good things. So this time I really want to stay ahead of positive loving mental health. Thank you Thom.
Tim that is really great to hear. Growing and evolving is a lifelong process! I have not always been so good at asking for help. It's always good to see your comments, thanks so much Tim!
Just discovered your channel. Im a musician and have always been interested in Everest & climbing but never got involved.Your video's have bridged that desire. In my 50's now & the sense of feeling from your films is enough for me to sit in bed with a cup of tea and enjoy. Thank-you..Best wishes from Northern Italy.
As always, my boys and I enjoyed the upload. Again, it fostered conversation on whether Mallory summited or not, with all of us being divided lol. We came closer to agreeing on whether the Chinese found Irvine's body, and perhaps Mallory, but one son thinks not. Thanks for the education and the great fun! Love the tee!
Not sure how I came across your video but so glad I did. I have no interest in climbing anything other than a pair of stairs but I find your channel interesting and informative.
Another great video about Everest, thank you for the time you put in to produce awesome content. And I love the Jerry shirt! Can't help but think you are listening to the Dead when you are climbing and making videos. Keep up the great work!
Thanks so much! You will totally love that the Jerry shit is glow in the dark! If I wear it to a concert you can see it in the darkness, or out by the fire pit.... Thanks for the super kind words about the channel, I'm glad you're enjoying it!
I love your videos. I’m a bricklayer. I never thought the ‘mountain’ would make me want to go up. I never will. Your voice and your accomplishments keeps me at home. You did it. It’s just amazing listening to you.
We as humans have an uncanny knack of screwing up our most beautiful places. The sooner "mountain tourism" is dead, the better. No one has any business being on Everest (or any other 8 thousand + peak for that matter) except for professional climbers.
When you see that level of traffic jam in Everest, it’s plain that there are so many people with minimum climbing skills who pay to have Sherpas to drag them up and carry them down. It’s like there’s no challenge anymore. It’s awful.
It is still a monumental achievement. Anyone led to believe it's not challenging should go run up every flight of stairs on the Empire State Building wearing a 25 pound backpack and a covid mask on. That is probably about 1 tenth of how it feels. Sherpas are absolutely critical for the inexperienced....but doing it is still a massive accomplishment that point zero zero zero zero zero something percentage of human being could ever dream of accomplishing.
I have learned so much from your videos. I remember when summiting Everest was rare and such a big deal it would be in the news, front page of newspapers and in National Geographic. I am so glad more people can experience it. I am so happy they are being bettet about the trash issue.
Thanks so much for your thoughts, I really appreciate it. I agree with you....but do think perhaps taking the foot off the gas pedal on permits might be a good idea :)
They turn around and use the same rope that all the climbers are using to go up....thus the logjam. There's not enough room on the ridge for two lines.... Thanks for watching!
Thank you sir! I was wondering are folks able to use Drones around the mountain to look for people who go missing like this past season when the snow gave way under them? And in the case of Rob Hall, has his body been buried in snow over the years?
The use of drones as assistance and trash removal is something I should have expected but still hit me by surprise a little bit - it's one of the most extreme places on earth, so I guess I just didn't think about it, but it makes sense. There's no going back now, and I think ultimately it will be for the better, especially hauling stuff down. What I fear, however, is that it will just enhance this sense of taking shortcuts to get to the summit and back at all costs, "well, even if I leave my garbage or need more oxygen, there will be drones minutes away that can fix my problem".... I don't like that thought, but hoping that we find ways to preserve the mountain and still allow people to conquer and enjoy it. -Someone who has never been to Everest, but watches a lot of videos
I would never go mountain climbing but I’m happy to be a spectator from my home lol but I respect those who try to make that trip. I especially respect those who were some of the first to conquer the mountain in the older days when it was still new. My only complaint is the trash left behind by those who do go. I know it’s difficult to bring the junk down but it should be a requirement at least. No trash left behind should always be the goal.
Drone footage is unbelievable. A word about the Sherpa heroes. I see them in videos risking their lives every climbing season. often not getting credit for carrying everything, cooking, going ahead to carry thing or set things up and yet they are underpaid. I want to donate to somehow help families of sherpas who died on the mountain. Does anyone know of a reputable charity for Sherpas? I have seen stories where brave Sherpas die while staying with a dying client. Some climbers are reckless and inexperienced and the poor Shepas do all they can to keep them alive. I don’t fault any of them fo giving up when someone is stubborn or disoriented and just won’t turn around or get up after hours of coaxing, It’s a terrible decision to have to make.
Another great video! Everest rightfully draws a great deal of interest from the public. It is a centre-point of dramas, both natural and human generated. I feel like the biggest myth I always hear is that Everest is easy to climb. I certainly think it’s fair to say that Everest has been made accessible by the addition of things like ladders, fixed ropes, and above all the assistance of the legendary Sherpa people. Not having any mountaineering experience myself, I’m not going to comment as an authority, but everything I’ve ever seen seems to indicate that Everest is still very challenging even to strong, experienced climbers. If you stripped away all the infrastructure, I really wonder how many people would have the strength and skill to climb it. In a roundabout way, I’m saying that I still think Mt Everest is a fearsome and challenging place. Calling it “easy” sounds absurd to me.
Hi Thom, you probably know this already but French UA-camr Inoxtag (>8 million subscribers) made a documentary about his Mount Everest ascension (with over 30 million views), available on UA-cam. In it, at the 2:16:05 mark, there is brand new video footage of the May 22nd cornice collapse that killed 2 people this year (or at least what I believe to be brand new). He and his crew were standing very close to it as it happened. I thought you might find it interesting! Best regards, Felix
Thanks for your videos. I've learned so much. From a historical perspective did the native Nepalese, Tibetan, Pakistani and Chinese people value the feats of summitting their mountains the way in which western peoples have done? Was the conquering the mountains important for them? Or was that considered irreverent? Are there records of earlier peoples scaling the heights? It seems probable but maybe not ? When did the Chinese first attempt to summit in the 20th century? Before or after 1924 ? Anyway fascinating stuff. And the more recent body cam and drone footage of the peaks is awesome. Wish my dad were alive to see it. He was always interested in exploration and I remember hearing about Mallory and Irvine as well as Hillary and Norgay.
Incredible breaking news about probable finding of Sandy Irvines foot , sock and boot by the National Geographic team. Looking forward to you doing a presentation on it soon!
No climber climbs without Sherpa help, period. The sherpas set the course, lays the rooes, carry and place the ladders .....and all climbers depend on that.
Very interesting video! Let me ask a couple of dumb questions though. Why can't the drones be used to remove the dead bodies, or even be used to evacuate an injured or incapacitated climber that has no other options for a rescue? 🤔
If it is a fact that Pan Duo (aka Phantog / Phanthog) in 1975 then denied having said anything about Irvine's body & the camera, not too long after she supposedly said it, then her original statement can safely be ignored.
Mallory was found in 1999 was he not? And recent finding of a sock and boot with Irvine's initials seem to prove that the Chinese did not remove the bodies.
in my opinion, the Nepali government is to blame because they allowed the garbage to pile up. but there are solutions for everything. They will simply have to clean it up at their own expense and then new rules should be introduced regarding leaving waste on the mountain with large and drastic punishments
They manage to take the supplies in with them so they should be able to bring the rubbish out with them as it will be lighter coming out than it was going inn
There should be a requirement of having done at least 9 different other mountains before Mount Everest. The license needs to be much higher in price which would allow for less mountaineers on the mountain and avoid "traffic jams". if i was Nepal I would also introduce a "garbage fee" to pay those who have to remove it. This Mountain is holy to the people of Nepal, are some climbers even aware of this?
I think it’s highly unlikely that Mallory and Irvine actually made it to the summit in 1924, and even more unlikely that the Chinese discovered and somehow secretly removed Sandy Irvine’s body from the upper slopes of the mountain in some kind of coverup, but to dismiss legitimate questions about the contradictions and lack of evidence to support the Chinese actually making it to the true summit in 1960, as opposed to one of the infamous false summits on the Northeast Ridge - like the one reached by the Indian climbers in 1996, is spurious at best. Let’s see those summit rocks!
I think that the real issue is not disrespecting the dead on Evetest, but leaving the exhausted climbers behind to die on Evetest. If the climbers were required by law to abort the climb to rescue the dying, with the climbing permit extended to complete the climb at another date, if those who left others to die in the dead zone were investigated for murder and potential criminal negligence, then at least some of those lives would have been saved. Another issue is the exploitation of Sherpas by the guiding services. Sherpas pay a high price for Everest works with high incidence of strokes later in life. The guiding services which hire them do not pay them enough nor provide them with health insurance to pay for the health problems they are likely to suffer later in life. I think that both, the Sherpa community and the government of Nepal are tightening control over the national park that is Mount Evetest and they are bringing about positive change.
Should be everyones own personal responsibility. If it was required to abort a climb like that then most of them would be aborted. If people are crazy enough to go up there it's on them, noone else.
@jerkofalltrades5430 But that is not how the criminal law works in most countries, including US and UK. Let's say you and a friend decided to play a dangerous game. Say a rock climb, and you have all the gear and have been doing it for quite some time and your friend is a nubie, and you friend falls and dies. You can be charged with Manslaughter and be sued for damages. Not only that, but any wavers you can have your friend sign can be thrown out of Court if it is shown in Court that waiver was unreasonable and you friend did not know what he was signing. Furthermore, different people - Cops, First Responders have a Duty to Act, meaning of they walk over a dying climber and not make every effort to short rope that person down, get the rescue organized, etc. they can get in trouble as in fighting for their jobs and professional licenses and they family of the dead an sue the first responder for failure to act.
It’s littered more in Trash, body waste and oxygen tanks. Also, the traffic jams do occur but NOT all the time. PLUS…Mt Everest is actually more dangerous now is partly due to LESS SNOW overall opposed to 50 years ago. Walking on lose rock is more dangerous with crampons than snow. Yes, global warming Affects the Himalayas as well. It was good to read controlling the waste & trash on K2 has been occurring for many years. Drones appear to be the future of all things good for Everest 👍
So several comments that were here earlier, made by people criticising B3tt3rh3lp, have 'disappeared' but the bots that duplicate comments on other subjects are running riot. OK.
I'm a casual watcher of Everest videos, and I'm not sure I've heard any of those myths in their extreme form. I might have heard the one about Green Boots, and it good to find out that the body has been moved. I'm not denying that you've run into them, but they may not be widespread, or maybe I've just run into sensible videos. The drones are very cool.
It was classic for the Chinese and the Russians to store everything in boxes for a later date, only to never tackle the research or never reveal the research. Germans were fastidious w/ data keeping but not Stalin’s (& post) Russia and Mao’s China. For the 1960 female Chinese climber not to remember is suspect, of course. I’ll never understand the Chinese secrecy since Hillary & Norgay summited in 1953. I don’t understand the competition value there. Nice video as always. Thank you.
So I do agree with what you say about the bodies.. I wonder if there is one strong exception. Near the Hilary Step, there is a body in which the climber laying head upwards, and the head is holding up a small pile of dirt/gravel/rocks. I'm not sure the gravel would be there otherwise. That pile of gravel just above the dead climbers head appears to be used as a step for the other climbers. Though that does seem to add a bit of better footing, it feels a little distasteful. Are you familiar with that body? Is it one of the bodies that will be attempted to be moved in 2025? I'm not one of those that are unrealistic of the bodies. If anything they serve as a reminder to others. I was just wondering what others thought. Vid of body replied below.
Yes, that is Don Cash. I have done some content about him. I'm already planning a LIVE stream about this video.....so much more could be told! Thanks for watching and for bringing that to my attention. I don't believe he is one of the bodies meant for removal....it's in just too dangerous of a place. Thanks so much!
I would like to know how the Nepal government handles the bodies each year when the relatives of the deceased are not ready to pay for bringing the bodies down from the mountain.
I'm old enough to remember when flying a helicopter into Base Camp was considered technically impossible. Now it's routine. So the answer to your question is not at present given the challenges of altitude and wind variables
After what I have seen, some of which on this channel, i dont think china would intentionally supress any information on the discovery of Irvine, it they did find his body and removed it, its most likely that they botched it, improper handling of the body and or improper development of the film, and just said; 'um, Irving who? Never saw him....... Camera? Nope..........' (kicks something under rug before walking away). Now, I'm not saying thats what happened, unless someone from china produces definitive proof we will never know, im just saying IF it happened, thats the most likely scenario, i dont see china gaining anything by suppressing that intentionally
The people taking inexperienced climbers aren't black market....there are many of them. Nepal doesn't require an expedition operator to be licensed. Many operators exploit people by selling a dream and all that those people need to do is pay up. These expedition operators typically are the least expensive, selling expeditions for $35,000, providing high altitude support in some cases where the high altitude 'guide' has zero high altitude experience.
 Shriya Shah-Klorfine, a woman who died in 2012 on Everest, was inexperienced and was guided by a new company. The owner of the company never climbed Everest before. I think if this occurred in Canada or th U.S., there would be a criminal investigation.  Shriya Shah-Klorfine
Age and too many surgeries preclude me from my youthful 8000 meter ambitions. So realistically my opportunity to summit Chomalungma is long gone. But id be real happy to go to at least base camp to participate in clean up efforts. I don’t think I am alone in that sentiment. There may be a viable market for clean up expeditions for Westerners and has been wannabes like me.
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Wow, did you take down my comment? 😢
Bad move to take sponsorship from them. You might want to do your research. Literally a search on UA-cam will bring up what you need. There are loads of videos on their shady practices. Go educate yourself. It's not therapy.
They found Sandys foot, family has had DNA to confirm but the sock had his name on it.
I always am amazed at how immense Everest is and how trying to climb, it has gone from being seen as a superhuman accomplishment to "a rich man's game." Always learn something here. Thanks for sharing as always
It is a massive mountain! Thanks as always for being a part of the channel and for supporting what I'm doing
And you only see from Nepal side. It’s even bigger than that but from what I’ve learned the other areas can’t be climbed or are too dangerous to climb!!
I don’t know how long you’ve been doing this, but this podcast is really well structured 👏🏻
Thanks so much, I truly appreciate it!
If I got stuck in the traffic jam along those ridges on Everest, I would have an absolute panic attack, then use all my oxygen panicking. Better I just watch from home I think 🙂
Very, very wise! :)
Leave the mountain alone,please
@@savannahbrown1170 😂
@@josiejung6751Moleste’ No!
I’m just here for the Jerry Garcia shirt lol. For real though, awesome video as usual. Keep ‘em coming!
@@kelzo94 RIP Phil Lesh too 💝🙏🎶💕
Great video. The drones are good, in my opinion. Thanks for sharing! And everyone should watch your videos and the expedition you guys did in 2019. It's one of my favorites.
Thank you so much, and for watching before it went live to the public!
Your videos are always so thoughtful and thought-provoking. Thank you for sharing your insight and experiences with your community!
Thank you!
Mountaineering is a calling! It can be magical...it can be nightmarish! You have to be at the top of your game both mentally and physically! Love the channel, Thom!
Thanks so much for watching, I'm happy that you enjoy the channel!
@@EverestMysteryany thoughts ( I’m new here) on closing Mount Everest?
Your closing comment on your videos is a welcome reminder of the value of selfless service. Thank you!
Thanks for sticking around til the end. If I could do videos that just talked about that and put food on my table, I most assuredly would. Working on it....you might enjoy the member videos (which I provide free on patreon . com/everestmystery). Cheers and thanks so much for your interest!
The only "jam" that I want to get stuck in is with that guy on your shirt. 😎🎸
This is a contender for best comment of the year!
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Surely, if there are deceased people visible to other climbers, it's a timely reminder, that they could be in that position themselves very soon
That would definitely be sobering.
yep and green boots has been used as a marker for yrs
It's PR reasons for wanting them removed. If they really wanted to solve the issue of people dying on the mountain, they'd treat it with the respect the Chinese have on their side.
It’s extraordinary the man power it takes to do the things that are done on Everest.
Sorry I missed your live last weekend, I was sick! Hoping to see one soon!
I'm really glad you let BetterHelp be a sponsor. I just used your link and signed up. It's time again. Things are going so good in my life, in a huge part because of your channel, but I'm the master of sabotaging things when they get too good. I've never felt I deserved good things. So this time I really want to stay ahead of positive loving mental health. Thank you Thom.
Tim that is really great to hear. Growing and evolving is a lifelong process! I have not always been so good at asking for help. It's always good to see your comments, thanks so much Tim!
They found Sandy it’s on the news today. He was found 7,000 feet below Mallory
Just discovered your channel. Im a musician and have always been interested in Everest & climbing but never got involved.Your video's have bridged that desire. In my 50's now & the sense of feeling from your films is enough for me to sit in bed with a cup of tea and enjoy. Thank-you..Best wishes from Northern Italy.
As always, my boys and I enjoyed the upload. Again, it fostered conversation on whether Mallory summited or not, with all of us being divided lol. We came closer to agreeing on whether the Chinese found Irvine's body, and perhaps Mallory, but one son thinks not. Thanks for the education and the great fun! Love the tee!
I love that you watch with your sons! I makes it all worth while... It's good having you here, send my regards to the boys!
@@EverestMystery My boys said to send their regards as well! We all have such an interesting time watching your channel and guests!
The Sherpas do everything but wipe the climbers' asses.....
Being up there with so many people around would destroy the pleasure for me. I like to see and hear nothing but nature when i’m outdoors.
Not sure how I came across your video but so glad I did. I have no interest in climbing anything other than a pair of stairs but I find your channel interesting and informative.
Another great video about Everest, thank you for the time you put in to produce awesome content. And I love the Jerry shirt! Can't help but think you are listening to the Dead when you are climbing and making videos. Keep up the great work!
Thanks so much! You will totally love that the Jerry shit is glow in the dark! If I wear it to a concert you can see it in the darkness, or out by the fire pit.... Thanks for the super kind words about the channel, I'm glad you're enjoying it!
@@EverestMysterymy pal went to the sphere in Las Vegas to see the Dead cover band. His shirt glows in the dark. The acid people were tripping.
I love your videos. I’m a bricklayer. I never thought the ‘mountain’ would make me want to go up. I never will. Your voice and your accomplishments keeps me at home. You did it. It’s just amazing listening to you.
Thom thanks for clarifying the myths and sharing a positive perspective.
There is wiggle room on lots of these, so I'm going to schedule a livestream for this coming Thursday! Thank you as always!
Thanks for this absorbing reveal, on Everest,and the challenges, inherent,when climbing.💙💛💙
This is the first time i've heard about the drones. What
A great idea! I can see less deaths with this development
I hope that is the case, using this technology to save lives and rid the mountain of garbage. Thanks for watching!
We as humans have an uncanny knack of screwing up our most beautiful places.
The sooner "mountain tourism" is dead, the better.
No one has any business being on Everest (or any other 8 thousand + peak for that
matter) except for professional climbers.
When you see that level of traffic jam in Everest, it’s plain that there are so many people with minimum climbing skills who pay to have Sherpas to drag them up and carry them down. It’s like there’s no challenge anymore. It’s awful.
It is still a monumental achievement. Anyone led to believe it's not challenging should go run up every flight of stairs on the Empire State Building wearing a 25 pound backpack and a covid mask on. That is probably about 1 tenth of how it feels. Sherpas are absolutely critical for the inexperienced....but doing it is still a massive accomplishment that point zero zero zero zero zero something percentage of human being could ever dream of accomplishing.
I have learned so much from your videos. I remember when summiting Everest was rare and such a big deal it would be in the news, front page of newspapers and in National Geographic. I am so glad more people can experience it. I am so happy they are being bettet about the trash issue.
Thanks so much for your thoughts, I really appreciate it. I agree with you....but do think perhaps taking the foot off the gas pedal on permits might be a good idea :)
Wonderful video as always. Thanks for dispelling the myths. I always get a good education from you!
Regarding that 2019 huge line up to summit. How do you get back down? A different route? Or do you turn around and try to pass everyone going up?
They turn around and use the same rope that all the climbers are using to go up....thus the logjam. There's not enough room on the ridge for two lines.... Thanks for watching!
That drone is fantastic!!
Thank you for such an insightful and thought provoking video Thom. Great content as always!
Thank you sir! I was wondering are folks able to use Drones around the mountain to look for people who go missing like this past season when the snow gave way under them? And in the case of Rob Hall, has his body been buried in snow over the years?
Amazing video again dude. Outstanding content from your channel.... love the Jerry tee shirt also! Thank you.
I truly appreciate it, and only bring out the Jerry tee for special occasions!
@EverestMystery honoured that you replied sir. Look forwards to some more of your videos, fascinating stuff. All the best, Jerry rules.
Will you make a video on Sandy Irvine? His boot with his name on his socks has been found? This is crazy news!!!
Seeing all this garbage and lines of people going up and down, absolutely takes the magic out of this place. It’s a shame what money can destroy.
This is so informative! Great job, fantastic reporting!🌻🌼🐝 Keep it up 🙌
your videos are wonderful. Thank you for them.
The use of drones as assistance and trash removal is something I should have expected but still hit me by surprise a little bit - it's one of the most extreme places on earth, so I guess I just didn't think about it, but it makes sense. There's no going back now, and I think ultimately it will be for the better, especially hauling stuff down. What I fear, however, is that it will just enhance this sense of taking shortcuts to get to the summit and back at all costs, "well, even if I leave my garbage or need more oxygen, there will be drones minutes away that can fix my problem".... I don't like that thought, but hoping that we find ways to preserve the mountain and still allow people to conquer and enjoy it. -Someone who has never been to Everest, but watches a lot of videos
I'm pretty late to the game but I just watched your doc on Disney +. I was like i watch his you tube channel.
That's fantastic, glad you saw it!
@@EverestMystery sorry you couldn't climb
Which documentary is that? I'd love to check it out
I can see why the recovery of bodies from the mountain is a good idea but I don’t believe anyone should have to put themselves in any danger to do so.
Great t-shirt, Thom!
Thom has a touch of gray.
A touch of gray to the power of 10 :)
I love your Jerry Garcia shirt. From one dead head to another your videos are very well done.
I would never go mountain climbing but I’m happy to be a spectator from my home lol but I respect those who try to make that trip. I especially respect those who were some of the first to conquer the mountain in the older days when it was still new. My only complaint is the trash left behind by those who do go. I know it’s difficult to bring the junk down but it should be a requirement at least. No trash left behind should always be the goal.
As far as the garbage is concerned, climbers should be required to pack *everything* they brought in.
Drone footage is unbelievable. A word about the Sherpa heroes.
I see them in videos risking their lives every climbing season. often not getting credit for carrying everything, cooking, going ahead to carry thing or set things up and yet they are underpaid. I want to donate to somehow help families of sherpas who died on the mountain. Does anyone know of a reputable charity for Sherpas?
I have seen stories where brave Sherpas die while staying with a dying client. Some climbers are reckless and inexperienced and the poor Shepas do all they can to keep them alive. I don’t fault any of them fo giving up when someone is stubborn or disoriented and just won’t turn around or get up after hours of coaxing, It’s a terrible decision to have to make.
Thank You for the video.
Love the shirt brother!
I really enjoy your videos!!!
Another great video!
Everest rightfully draws a great deal of interest from the public. It is a centre-point of dramas, both natural and human generated.
I feel like the biggest myth I always hear is that Everest is easy to climb. I certainly think it’s fair to say that Everest has been made accessible by the addition of things like ladders, fixed ropes, and above all the assistance of the legendary Sherpa people. Not having any mountaineering experience myself, I’m not going to comment as an authority, but everything I’ve ever seen seems to indicate that Everest is still very challenging even to strong, experienced climbers. If you stripped away all the infrastructure, I really wonder how many people would have the strength and skill to climb it. In a roundabout way, I’m saying that I still think Mt Everest is a fearsome and challenging place. Calling it “easy” sounds absurd to me.
People who risk THEIR lives, and spend THEIR money, need not be judged. They are pursuing THEIR dreams, not yours.
Hi Thom, you probably know this already but French UA-camr Inoxtag (>8 million subscribers) made a documentary about his Mount Everest ascension (with over 30 million views), available on UA-cam.
In it, at the 2:16:05 mark, there is brand new video footage of the May 22nd cornice collapse that killed 2 people this year (or at least what I believe to be brand new). He and his crew were standing very close to it as it happened. I thought you might find it interesting!
Best regards,
Felix
Thanks for your videos. I've learned so much.
From a historical perspective did the native Nepalese, Tibetan, Pakistani and Chinese people value the feats of summitting their mountains the way in which western peoples have done? Was the conquering the mountains important for them? Or was that considered irreverent? Are there records of earlier peoples scaling the heights? It seems probable but maybe not ? When did the Chinese first attempt to summit in the 20th century? Before or after 1924 ? Anyway fascinating stuff. And the more recent body cam and drone footage of the peaks is awesome. Wish my dad were alive to see it. He was always interested in exploration and I remember hearing about Mallory and Irvine as well as Hillary and Norgay.
Almost twelve thousand people have summitted Everest? It seems very commercialized. Drones will perpetuate this.
It seems to me that the answer to all these questions is “Yes, but not really” or “Not really, but yes.”
Incredible breaking news about probable finding of Sandy Irvines foot , sock and boot by the National Geographic team. Looking forward to you doing a presentation on it soon!
The Jerry shirt! Thank you for that. 🥀
No climber climbs without Sherpa help, period. The sherpas set the course, lays the rooes, carry and place the ladders .....and all climbers depend on that.
Was Davis sharp the only one who has gone up solo?
Very interesting.
Each day I have more and more respect for Sir Edmund Hillary.
I have more for Tenzing Norgay
Great video 👏 thank you 🙏
You're welcome, thanks so much!
Very interesting video! Let me ask a couple of dumb questions though. Why can't the drones be used to remove the dead bodies, or even be used to evacuate an injured or incapacitated climber that has no other options for a rescue? 🤔
Wow! I get the distinct impression that bodies are being moved/removed for, let’s say, promotional reasons.
Nice Jerry shirt !! 😁
It would be a feat to summit with only the clothing and equipment Mallory had.
Just two climbers alone.
They had tins of meat lozenges.
If it is a fact that Pan Duo (aka Phantog / Phanthog) in 1975 then denied having said anything about Irvine's body & the camera, not too long after she supposedly said it, then her original statement can safely be ignored.
Question- I wonder if we can find a way to use drones for rescue, and body recovery.
Mallory was found in the '90s. Do you mean removed him after he was located?
Love this video, thank you. Side note... any chance of a video of the Russian ladies team who perished on mt Lenin?
Thank you and great idea!
Mallory was found in 1999 was he not? And recent finding of a sock and boot with Irvine's initials seem to prove that the Chinese did not remove the bodies.
But it does support the thought that they threw his remains down the mountain
@@EverestMystery true, but I unfortunately only heard "remove", so my bad!
This morning I found a sock in our spare bedroom. Had my name on it. It had been lost for two weeks.
@@Netties8266 Yikes. Did it have your foot in it? 🙂
in my opinion, the Nepali government is to blame because they allowed the garbage to pile up. but there are solutions for everything. They will simply have to clean it up at their own expense and then new rules should be introduced regarding leaving waste on the mountain with large and drastic punishments
They manage to take the supplies in with them so they should be able to bring the rubbish out with them as it will be lighter coming out than it was going inn
So, all the myths are true. But these are the reasons it's okay.
There should be a requirement of having done at least 9 different other mountains before Mount Everest. The license needs to be much higher in price which would allow for less mountaineers on the mountain and avoid "traffic jams". if i was Nepal I would also introduce a "garbage fee" to pay those who have to remove it. This Mountain is holy to the people of Nepal, are some climbers even aware of this?
I think it’s highly unlikely that Mallory and Irvine actually made it to the summit in 1924, and even more unlikely that the Chinese discovered and somehow secretly removed Sandy Irvine’s body from the upper slopes of the mountain in some kind of coverup, but to dismiss legitimate questions about the contradictions and lack of evidence to support the Chinese actually making it to the true summit in 1960, as opposed to one of the infamous false summits on the Northeast Ridge - like the one reached by the Indian climbers in 1996, is spurious at best. Let’s see those summit rocks!
Can a rock be identified as a summit rock?
Props to the Jerry Garcia T-shirt, maing-! 😊
Is it true the ski-lift is down for repairs?😁
I think that the real issue is not disrespecting the dead on Evetest, but leaving the exhausted climbers behind to die on Evetest. If the climbers were required by law to abort the climb to rescue the dying, with the climbing permit extended to complete the climb at another date, if those who left others to die in the dead zone were investigated for murder and potential criminal negligence, then at least some of those lives would have been saved. Another issue is the exploitation of Sherpas by the guiding services. Sherpas pay a high price for Everest works with high incidence of strokes later in life. The guiding services which hire them do not pay them enough nor provide them with health insurance to pay for the health problems they are likely to suffer later in life. I think that both, the Sherpa community and the government of Nepal are tightening control over the national park that is Mount Evetest and they are bringing about positive change.
Should be everyones own personal responsibility. If it was required to abort a climb like that then most of them would be aborted. If people are crazy enough to go up there it's on them, noone else.
@jerkofalltrades5430 But that is not how the criminal law works in most countries, including US and UK. Let's say you and a friend decided to play a dangerous game. Say a rock climb, and you have all the gear and have been doing it for quite some time and your friend is a nubie, and you friend falls and dies. You can be charged with Manslaughter and be sued for damages. Not only that, but any wavers you can have your friend sign can be thrown out of Court if it is shown in Court that waiver was unreasonable and you friend did not know what he was signing. Furthermore, different people - Cops, First Responders have a Duty to Act, meaning of they walk over a dying climber and not make every effort to short rope that person down, get the rescue organized, etc. they can get in trouble as in fighting for their jobs and professional licenses and they family of the dead an sue the first responder for failure to act.
Drone carrying 500lb of garbage: queue drone mediated Everest ascents.
It’s littered more in Trash, body waste and oxygen tanks. Also, the traffic jams do occur but NOT all the time. PLUS…Mt Everest is actually more dangerous now is partly due to LESS SNOW overall opposed to 50 years ago. Walking on lose rock is more dangerous with crampons than snow. Yes, global warming Affects the Himalayas as well.
It was good to read controlling the waste & trash on K2 has been occurring for many years. Drones appear to be the future of all things good for Everest 👍
I am curious what Hillary thinks after seeing that traffic jam at the top
So several comments that were here earlier, made by people criticising B3tt3rh3lp, have 'disappeared' but the bots that duplicate comments on other subjects are running riot. OK.
@@feralnonbinaryautistic talking about bots lol
I'm a casual watcher of Everest videos, and I'm not sure I've heard any of those myths in their extreme form. I might have heard the one about Green Boots, and it good to find out that the body has been moved. I'm not denying that you've run into them, but they may not be widespread, or maybe I've just run into sensible videos.
The drones are very cool.
It was classic for the Chinese and the Russians to store everything in boxes for a later date, only to never tackle the research or never reveal the research. Germans were fastidious w/ data keeping but not Stalin’s (& post) Russia and Mao’s China. For the 1960 female Chinese climber not to remember is suspect, of course. I’ll never understand the Chinese secrecy since Hillary & Norgay summited in 1953. I don’t understand the competition value there. Nice video as always. Thank you.
If drones can be used to ferry out waste, or get oxygen to people in trouble…I’m all for that.
So I do agree with what you say about the bodies.. I wonder if there is one strong exception. Near the Hilary Step, there is a body in which the climber laying head upwards, and the head is holding up a small pile of dirt/gravel/rocks. I'm not sure the gravel would be there otherwise. That pile of gravel just above the dead climbers head appears to be used as a step for the other climbers. Though that does seem to add a bit of better footing, it feels a little distasteful. Are you familiar with that body? Is it one of the bodies that will be attempted to be moved in 2025?
I'm not one of those that are unrealistic of the bodies. If anything they serve as a reminder to others. I was just wondering what others thought. Vid of body replied below.
Yes, that is Don Cash. I have done some content about him. I'm already planning a LIVE stream about this video.....so much more could be told! Thanks for watching and for bringing that to my attention. I don't believe he is one of the bodies meant for removal....it's in just too dangerous of a place. Thanks so much!
I would like to know how the Nepal government handles the bodies each year when the relatives of the deceased are not ready to pay for bringing the bodies down from the mountain.
The authorities remove the bodies on their own accord. What happens to them after, I admittedly don't know (but will find out).
@EverestMystery Thank you very much. I just wanted to know how they dealt with the dead bodies.
Jerry!!!!!!!!!!!
O boy Tracey is going to be rattled lol
I was raised to pack out, what you pack in. I just don't get it. If you can't do that, then don't go!
I wonder if they could take that garbage put it large containers and throw it off a cliff and pick it up at a lower altitudes.
In the video we discuss the remedy....which is being developed now
Can you really call what's being done on Everest climbing anymore?
Can’t a drone be made that could lift 120kg?? Sorry I don’t understand the science but curious question
I'm old enough to remember when flying a helicopter into Base Camp was considered technically impossible. Now it's routine. So the answer to your question is not at present given the challenges of altitude and wind variables
No photo no summit imo
After what I have seen, some of which on this channel, i dont think china would intentionally supress any information on the discovery of Irvine, it they did find his body and removed it, its most likely that they botched it, improper handling of the body and or improper development of the film, and just said; 'um, Irving who? Never saw him....... Camera? Nope..........' (kicks something under rug before walking away). Now, I'm not saying thats what happened, unless someone from china produces definitive proof we will never know, im just saying IF it happened, thats the most likely scenario, i dont see china gaining anything by suppressing that intentionally
‘Traffic jams like this happen from time to time’
_Yeah, from 1996-2024_ 🤦🏼♂️
Right? There are pictures every single year of a huge queue waiting to get to the top. It's wasn't just one or two years
Hmmmm?
The truth is that....Not the truth is is that. Please.
...beginning to learn what it's it's like for your spouse and kids....
I disagree with the whole money thing.. Do you know there are now Black market Groups that will take inexperienced people..
The people taking inexperienced climbers aren't black market....there are many of them. Nepal doesn't require an expedition operator to be licensed. Many operators exploit people by selling a dream and all that those people need to do is pay up. These expedition operators typically are the least expensive, selling expeditions for $35,000, providing high altitude support in some cases where the high altitude 'guide' has zero high altitude experience.
@@EverestMystery agree

Shriya Shah-Klorfine, a woman who died in 2012 on Everest, was inexperienced and was guided by a new company. The owner of the company never climbed Everest before. I think if this occurred in Canada or th U.S., there would be a criminal investigation.

Shriya Shah-Klorfine
Age and too many surgeries preclude me from my youthful 8000 meter ambitions. So realistically my opportunity to summit Chomalungma is long gone. But id be real happy to go to at least base camp to participate in clean up efforts. I don’t think I am alone in that sentiment. There may be a viable market for clean up expeditions for Westerners and has been wannabes like me.
Pickup after yourselves for crying out loud!