The National Maritime Museum, Greenwich - The Models are Back!
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So, I decided to go see what the NMM had done in the lock-down-period overhaul and maintenance. I was pleasantly surprised!
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Can you talk about transport submarines like what they did and who made them ect. Any era really
The Machine gun at 8:40 is actually a Quint mount, with 5 barrels...
Speaking of naval museums, you have visited naval museums in the UK, US and Sweden, but have you visited the naval museums in Denmark, and if not do you think you will visit?
Is it true medieval/early modern Chinese ships were more advanced than contemporary Europeans ones? Columbus' ship vs Zheng He's for example. Are they actually more technologically complex or just larger?
Has anybody besides Hannibal attack opponent's ships with snakes?
They did that to our local museum. When I last went I expected all the great dioramas that I knew as a kid, but they'd turned the whole place into something like a playground. Gone were the dinosaur skeletons, replaced by a sand pit full of plastic bones for the kids to play in, and a bunch of blinking electronic crap with multimedia that I could have gotten at home on my web browser.
Whoever came up with that wonderful idea should be keelhauled.
Wait, someone actually thought getting rid of the dinosaur skeletons would make kids enjoy the museum more? Well someone clearly never was a child, has some or had anything to do with children at all.
My father took me around traditional musems in the 1950s and I loved just looking into glass cases. Where anyone found the idea that these should become playthings, I have no isea. Who did they ask?
"What happened with Legos? They used to be simple." Dr. Marshall Kane (RIP) "Community"
Similar things are happening to libraries in the US, when they aren't just being closed outright. My local library was a dull little brick building from the 1950s, full of books. A few years ago the town government washed their hands of it and turned it over to a "friends of the library" society, who seem to have decided that the problem wasn't the town being too cheap to run a library, it was that the library wasn't interesting enough. They had a huge fundraising campaign and completely remodeled the place into some sort of Media-Driven Community Center. Conspicuously missing from the radical new floorplan: the stacks. You know. The part where the books go.
These are apparently the kinds of things that happen when people stop regarding educational resources as educational resources--that is, public services requiring support--and regard them instead as insufficiently productive profit centers.
If you got sentenced to be keelhauled, you'd be best off not taking a breath before you went under, lest you were torn to shreds by Shells and Barnacles by the time you made it to the other side..
13:10 - this reminds me of what Andrew Gordon said of Jacky Fisher. To paraphrase: "He was recommended for the Service by the last of Nelson's captains still on active duty, and the last of the great ships he built was still in service in the year of the Atomic Bomb."
Children who turn into adults who go to museums regularly are the kind of children who are fascinated by complex models. There needs to be room for different learning styles within museums.
I'll throw something in here, having worked at a few museums: 100% leave feedback with the staff as you leave. Alot of times the kiddification of museums is done in a vacuum of visitor feedback by people who have gone to school for museum studies or the like and have very little actual real world experience, and likely didn't go to museums much/at all as a kid.
BINGO. Museums don't hire people with subject experience, but with museum-operation degrees, all of whom are more interested in 'forming the correct thoughts in people's minds' and less with passing on information through the ages.
I remember our teachers back in school always loving those 'modern' interactive museums, but I always hated them and loved going to the old fashioned museums with lots of models, paintings and historical artifacts.
Of course, I'm fine looking through ancient pottery if I can just take it in as is
they probably loved it because they could release the class to destroy, I mean interact with, the exhibits so they can sit back and nurse their hangovers.
"Museums for Dummies, by Dummies". I got news for those Dummies...Dummies don't go to museums anyway, so what the hell is the point of catering to them instead of the people who actually want to see museums?
Interactive shows suck. Models rule. The tech museum next to V&A is great. Munich and the Verkehrhaus Lucerne have tons of models and fullsize ship diesels and turbines. Amsterdam is even better.
Sticking one or two of these interactive displays on top of the traditional collection is not bad, especially if they are done right. But redoing a whole museum this way is just plain awful.
Glad to see that Greenwich has got some of its mojo back. My only gripe now, as an ex merchant navigator, is that the navigation instruments that fascinated me are now up that damn great hill at the observatory in a much reduced exhibit.
Drach is the only UA-camr who actually sold me on any sponsored product (Squarespace) because he seems really giving a damn about the product itself and promoting what works. Also, I am definitely going to the museum when I am with my English relatives again. Looks amazing.
I currently have no use for Squarespace, but Drach's demonstrations of the product have convinced me to keep it at the front of my mind for whenever such a need may arise.
I used to live at the top end of Greenwich Park in the mid 2000's and I'd often wander into the museum just to see the KGV model. It's a thing of utter beauty. However every time I went it seemed like they'd moved it further and further away from the main displays. The last time I saw it I had to hunt around for ages and eventually found it wedged in a stairwell. Glad to see it regaining it's rightful position again.
Couldn't agree more. When I was attending Woolwich Poly back in the late 1960s, early 70s, I would visit the museum often. Imagine my disappointment when I visited in the 80s. Glad to know the museum is going back to the way it used to be. Perhaps there had been a change in management in the museum?
During a visit to the technik museum in Speyer, Germany I was delightfully surprised to see most of the major units of the British and German fleets on display, plus many of worthwhile exhibits including the Russian space shuttle! Well worth a visit if your around. My native guide wanted to see the latter again since he saw it the first time lol
Rejoice, all hail the angry Russian river pancake!
Half potempkin river pancake.
LOL
or rather, half of it, it seems
In the 1970s I spen t three years as the Museum Assistant to the Curator of Models (the late Captain Neville Upham). This was the time when Basil Greenhill's reworking of the museum galleries was finally coming to an end, and the museum was a great place with the Reliant in Neptune Hall, lots of ship models, interesting galleries etc. I made the mistake of visiting again in about 2010 and didn't recognise the place. As well as the models on show during my time there was a vast collection in the reserve store at Kidbrooke, and I well remember the arrival of the large sectioned model of RMS Windsor Castle being bought down from Union Castles office in central London. We didn't have too many warships on display - that was more the preserve of the IWM - but I do remember the fun and games I had keeping the large convoy model operating with the spotlights in sync with Captain Martin's commentary. There were so many fine models they should perhaps open the reserve store - although I guess it has now been flattened and buried under yet more tower blocks, and the models have all been dispersed. Thanks for the video - it has spurred me on to make a visit again next year,
So glad they brought the models back. They were one of my most cherished childhood memories.
I've visited Greenwich 3 times and loved it. Slightly OT..., when will someone finally build a cover for the Cutty Sark. Yes, I realize that it is rather large and tall. We finally built a cover over the St. Roche here in Vancouver after it sat in the elements for years. A very tall, very nice A-frame structure. It can be done and the Cutty Sark is such a treasure.
Heck, the Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago built a giant exhibit hall for _U-505._ After that, I have ceased to believe anyone who says that _anything_ can't be put indoors. :)
@@ZGryphon Well the Hughes H-4 Hercules(aka Spruce Goose) had a giant hanger built for it at the Evergreen Aviation & Space Museum
There is still something to be said for standing on the deck of an antique ship, feeling it rock in the waves and smelling the salt air. It's kind of part of the experience.
Glad to hear that museum is back to being good
The IWM at Lambeth was cleared out of its exhibits and turned into a kind of Tate Modern leisure destination and I'll never get over the depressing shock of that. Now it sounds like something similar happened at Greenwich. Predictable, I suppose.
It sounds as though some amends have been made but grudgingly, I can imagine. It puts me off the NMM as a bucket list item, and that is really quite upsetting.
It makes me really angry that silly zealots have taken our museums away from us.
This is so much better than it was: I was genuinely angry about how rubbish it was 8 years ago: it looked like the director had never been to sea. Quite a skill to turn 🇬🇧 maritime history into something boring!
This is great, I went on a grand tour of ship related gubbins in london before summer, ended up doing everything but Greenwich, now that they have the models back however, might consider it again, though, maybe not also Belfast, my lungs have had enough asbestos for a lifetime, and enough stairs
Bonus points for the use of the word "gubbins".
8:33 that's got five barrels, Drach. Unless you're Picard arguing with a Cardassian while under interrogation.
I visited this museum in 1982 with my mothers school class and unfortunately we didn't have much time.
8:57 I think I remember this and as one of my favorites but I don't remeber it being in half and with a mirror.
Great to see these models again, many I don't remember but they could be new.
9:00 - At the Smithsonian in Washington D.C., there is a recreation of the business end of the Saturn 5 that uses two mirrors and 1.25 F1 engines - more due to space considerations than modeling, I expect
I can hear Mrs Drach going ...
"Now Drach, don't go running off. Drach! DRACH!
Tsk. It's like talking to a brick wall."
There's something about a well-made model that brings out the small boy in every man.
That mirror model of the Russian monitor is clever as hell! What a nice museum.
Glad that you saw the Maritime Museum! Can't wait to see more.
A few years ago, I went to a Stately Home in the South-West of England and left feeling very disappointed because amongst other issues (rude staff, dirty toilets, poor café) even though the artifacts were on display, the captioning of them was truly dreadful. The worst kind of first-person semi-fictionalised 'accounts' of speculative 'events' that may have occurred in the space written in character, be that the character of a maid, a guest, etc. All at adult reading height
In the end we went to an abbey run by English Heritage a couple of miles away and had a fantastic time exploring the grounds.
I found the stately home so unbearably patronising that after my visit I sent a really strongly-worded email to the National Trust and after a week or so they - to my surprise - acknowledged that the displays were poor (even though they were fairly new), the staff needed training and that the facilities had evidently been sub-standard on the day. I ended up getting my money back.
It looks like the National Maritime Museum have also started to get the message. There is nothing more patronising than pandering to kids. Children that are interested will want to look at everything - including detailed models and old uniforms. Whoever thought flashing lights and large text is inherently more interesting really needs to watch what children actually do in museums...
Disclaimer: As a modelmaker, I'm massively biased.
Did some work for museums, and when they now say "interactive", they mean "computer screen".
The pox on them! We have all the screens we want (and don't) everywhere (like right now...)
Some of the best real interactive displays I've seen were at the" Deutsches Museum" in Munich. One example among many was a real periscope,that you could use... to see what's happening on the floor above.
I remember that one 40years later.
I knew a woman whose father was with the 20th Maine at Gettysburg. She was his youngest daughter and a centenarian. Her father was given a land grant in northeast Wisconsin after the Civil War.
Thanks Drach, 2 of my favourite naval vessels in one space, an insect class gunboat and a K class submarine! Sorting my trip down now!
There's any number of perfectly reasonable arguments for more modern electronic museums, as someone who's worked in one extensively -- an electronic display lets you present a LOT more information in limited floorspace, for instance, and it's also a format that modern kids are very familiar with and supposedly respond to very well. I can see the arguments -- if you see a museum purely as a place of _learning,_ they can be very sound.
But, personally, while I didn't strictly _learn_ a whole lot from jumping around the "peat bog" at the Bell Museum or breezing past the placards on the old dioramas, I will never forget looking at them. They seemed to be so big and so real.
If you visit a romantic interest in another country and she takes you to the National Maritime Museum even though she has no interest, you might want to marry this person. It has worked out very well for me!
I love model ships. Thank you for these fine examples. In the USN (ex veteran), on bases, are many builder's models in a large scale usually inside headquarter buildings in display cases. I always went to check them out, everything from USS Constitution to Samuel B Roberts, from the Mighty Mo to the Big E. There are many museums of course.
The Glasgow Transport Museum is also worth a look with a large number of Clyde shipbuilder models including Hood, Indomitable and Howe, among many more.
I'll be visiting London for the first time next year and definitely plan in spending a good am6of time there. Thank you for the preview!
A fellow in North Vancouver built a model of HMS Hood in 1/50 scale, over 17 feet long. It may have ended up in Germany.
Definitely a place on my bucket list, much as I enjoyed the Sydney Maritime museum and the smaller stuff we have in Melbourne, but there’s SOOO much more to see in the older museums, that and my folks have been there and I haven’t, so I’ve got to redress that imbalance!
8:25 - that quad barrel machine gun has something that looks remarkably like a fifth barrel at the end.....
Especially as a kid I would spend the entire day until they close, to look at all the museum models.
How are vast amounts of huge, detailed warship models NOT wonderful for kids?
I think the goal was less models more room for information displays that kids can easily understand. This issues is that kids don't care to read information displays that want to look at things. Why museums like this don't take advantage of qr codes and apps like artivive is don't know.
Those builders models can induce something approaching ecstasy!
I remember going to see my uncle being made a Commodore in the way navy, at The Queens House at Greenwich. We got a behind the scenes look around The National Maritime Museum. I used to love the place when I was a kid. It smelt of the sea.
My mum's family were Thames Watermen, and Wavy Navy.
The paintings are what I remember most. The Queens House is wonderful.
Not warship related but ship related. So way back when, I went on a field trip to the New Bedford Whaling Museum. The models captivated little me. And for interactive, they had the Lagoda..... oh the joys of the Lagoda.... a half scale model of a whaling ship you could tour... as a 9-10 year old it made it a me size ship, it was awsome.... it was also a leading cause of me going to sea professionally..
When I need sanity in this world, Drach delivers. Thank You.
I like museums offering fun things for children but without the wonderful artefacts (and scale models) being displayed, they sacrifice their greatest quality, and that is the ability to get a feel for what things were like in the past, and how things worked.
4:55 I would love you to do a video on the Failed System that was the UP mount at some point!
Nice feature on the Greenwich Museum Drach! Hope you could use your model photo coverage on some of your future vids. How about an update on the KGV class?
Glad they did that. Its an important part of our culture, reflecting our maritime roots. Present it how you want, but don't hide the sacrifices many men made to give us that culture.
Museums fire the imagination. I remember laying out my Airfix kits as though they were in a museum when a child.
Displaying the ships pays respects to the makers of the models. As much a work of art as any classic painting.
Ship models are great for understanding the story being told. One of the first good ones I saw was of USS San Jacinto at the Bush 41 Presidential library something like twelve years ago, which it looks like (based on virtual tour) they have now moved to a much worse location and the starboard side cannot be viewed.
There is a museum in Salem, Massachusetts that was established in the early 1800s when Salem was a maritime powerhouse: the Peabody-Essex Institute. It contains dozens and dozens of ship models, ranging from small inroy whalers carved by seamen on such ships, to 6 to 8 foot long models of pre-dreadnought cruisers in what I would estimate to be 1:32 scale. Amazing and inspirational for a not-quite teenager through young teenager not yet able to get their own driver's license.
They also had literally thousands of artifacts brought back by the traders who lived in Salem, from everywhere across the globe. The shrunken heads from Polynesia were kind of a favorite among some of my friends, but the breadth of artwork, textiles, porcelain, and other goods is truly amazing.
Far more entertaining than the kitschy celebration of murdering 20 innocent people accused of witchcraft that the city has chosen to associate itself with annually every October. I highly recommend going to this museum - except in October, when the entire city seems bent on grifting as much cash out of any visitor as possible, and parking and eating becomes very expensive.
I totally agree! We visited the Peabody-Essex Institute last summer on our way to a windjammer cruise in Maine (do that too!) and it was so good, we carved out another visit to P-E on our way home!
Thank you for sharing your experiences at the NMM sir.
When I was in the USAF, I was stationed in the UK back in 1989. At one point during my tour, I had a single day trip to Greenwich with the plans to see the NMM.
Sadly, my ride broke down and we ended up scrapping any effort to go inside as it was getting close to closing time when we got in town.
It is heartening to see that the museum recognizes that they have a service to all spectrum of people, experienced and not experienced, interested in maritime history.
The model of the machine to make pulleys was probably the one thing that caught my eye in this video.
The little things that had to be developed to solve bigger problems... that is what I geek out on.
Suggestion:
Recently, the Chieftain conducted an interview of some very high rank US Army officers who are responsible for requirements establishment and procurement when it comes to Army vehicles and tanks. It was a tremendously interesting discussion.
Maybe you could make a similar interview with equivalent counterparts in the Royal Navy.
The processes for establishing requirements and procurement of new systems for the Royal Navy is likely just as interesting as what was presented in Chieftains interview.
Thank you for all that you do Drach. Fair winds and calm seas.
love the models and so happy to see Emden !
@8:25 "This is a quad barrel Nordenfeldt"
There ... are ... FIVE ... barrels!
:)
I love building seriously scale models but these are off the wall wow! ❤😮
I totally love when Museums have large scale models of Ships and other objects. I had a Large collection of Tank models from all over the world and used to have them all on display but one year a particular nasty moving accident destroyed almost all of my models and I never bothered to replace them, Now however, I am going to rebuild my collection since I am retired and have a great deal of time on my hands in which I can to use to build more kits. But seeing engineering models is always a good way to spend time at a museum, Unfortunately where I live, there isn't a lot of naval history, because I live in a Landlocked Province in Canada. And travelling, for me anyways, is not likely to happen so I greatly appreciate what you have shown in this video. It would be fantastic for people like me who are pretty much prevented from travel due to health issues, and physical as well as financial limitations that preclude me from travelling. Perhaps you might be able to produce a video that takes people like myself into consideration and show us the entire exhibit? Thanks for what you have shown though, I do love seeing these models!
One benefit of not having all of the models out on display, is the ability to change it up. Which would give a reason to come back again.
13:10 And that goes right up there with remembering that there is a video interview with US Civil War veterans
If you do visit don't forget to have a look at painted Hall
“Museum quality” models are my favorite thing about most museums.
Hi Drach,
Thanks for the video. Great to see the models are back; used to love devouring all the details on 10 - 12 foot model ships in museums when I was a nipper.
BTW: The multi-barrelled "machine gun" at @8:21 appears to have 5 barrels... so is it a quintuple mount - rather then a quad?
new funny ship man video :)
As a model builder (not professional alas)...I love seeing these type of displays
@8:26 "this is a quad barreled ...." 1 Barrel, 2 Barrels....5 Barrels - seem legit.
add a picture of Count von Count of Sesame Street here.
Thanks for all your nice vids anyway. Greetings for a german sailor.
Thank you very much !
Nice to see the models coming back to the national maritime museum.first went to the museum on a school trip in the mid 1970s but went back in 2012 and was disappointed to find it had gone all environmental.....it was like the place was being run by Greenpeace.
I walked through it in 2017 and was not impressed. Sis is demanding that I be the "London Tour Guide" next year as we are now both retired, so I'll put this back on the "revisit" list. We'll be in town for 2 weeks or at least I will be.
Acrylic sheets protect artifacts well but makes photography difficult due to reflections from room lights and other sources. Bring a polarizer...
There's been quite a few changes since I visited this museum during the late 1990's. I live in the USA and travel has become too expensive, too difficult. I enjoyed my visit back then and I have lots of museums to visit in my country, but it's nice to see videos.
All we need now is for some kind philanthropist to set up a new museum to display the models from the Science Museum’s Shipping Galleries (which were by far my favourite display until 2012's vandalism).
And on a related subjevt, is there any chance that the Imperial War Museum has similarly decided to reverse the extreme dumbing down that I found the last time I visited? Our last visit - with the exception of the VC gallery - was very disappointing, but that was a few years ago. so maybe there have been changes for the better?
Travelled a long way to visit Greenwich some years before the pandemic and excited to revisit the Maritime Museum. Utterly disappointed at the only model was the KGV you start with. I requested a feedback card from reception in which I expressed my disappointment at there being virtually no models. Where have they gone I enquired? "Oh, there down at the Chatham Naval Dockyard". OK, so about 30 miles away from London, the nation's premier tourist destination. I flew to Hamburg instead... the Maritime Museum there was well worth the trip.
Lovely video, thanks.
I do hope to curate my own museum one day, where history buffs like I can come and view models of various aircraft, armor and naval vessels. From the mass produced, to the napkin designs, I wish to give physicality to the evolution of wartime air power, armor and naval history. The format? Model kits built and painted to a life like standard, where the more iconic vehicles have larger, cut away models. For the ships, the lead ships will be in model format at 1/700 or larger, with their sisters represented as silhouettes.
Right now this dream has no solid standing, I'm still in school working on a second degree in Museum Studies, and working a 9-5. However, the drive is there.
Hell Yes !
Is missing Thunderchild though.
My kind of museum thank you
Effect of explosive filler detonation on an AP or base-fuzed Common shell. AP shells were solid shot in some cases prior to circq-1900 and usually had a filled weight of about 3-4% through much of WWI, going down to 2.5% in the post-Jutland British Greenboy shells. The type of filler did not mean much as long as the filler completely detonated. After WWI, the filler sizes dropped considerably, with the percentages being in the 2.5% (British APC down to 1.4-2.5% (US AP). The improved fuzes (more reliable and resistant to damage during the slamming effects of armor impact) and booster charges (introduction of Tetryl in the late-1920s in place of using trinitrophenol (British Lyddite) or TNT with the earlier fuzes) gave enough of a reliability improvement, if the fuze remained undamaged and the projectile lower body remained uncracked due to the impact, that the higher average detonation power gave similar average post-impact damage to the earlier large-filler AP-type shells. Indeed, post-WWI base-fuzed Common shells used in most cruiser guns after WWI had their fillers also reduced to 3-4%, significantly improving their penetration ability by making them as solid as the AP was prior to WWI. The middle body wrapped around the explosive charge would usually be reduced to many small high-velocity pieces if a detonation (full or partial occurred, though the large number of booster charge failures meant that many explosions, even if the shell got through the armor intact, had virtually intact bases, only 1-4 big nose pieces and several medium-size medium-velocity middle-body pieces, rather like black powder gave in most cases.
With 3-5% filler detonating full-power, the shell would usually have only its base plug region either still in one piece or in several large pieces. The nose of the shell would be in bigger pieces than the middle body but in more pieces than the base region. With 2.5% or less filler in post-WWI AP shell designs, the base plug in a large number of cases remained intact, with the nose region varying in damage from that one-piece exploded US 16" Mark 8 AP shell to perhaps a few very large chunks. Being able to get through the thick armor at an oblique angle (longer range angle of fall increases) was considered important to causing maximum internal damage to the enemy warship, so some reduction in the number and size of the shell's body pieces was considered necessary to give the shell the maximum chance of getting inside the enemy target in an intact condition before exploding. Hulls in armored warships during the 20th Century were large and had internal light armor to restrict damage to the smallest volume possible, so hits on the armored regions there required an explosive charge to spread out the pieces of the projectile sideways -- this made base-fuzed Common shells more damage-causing than AP shells, which was why after the Washington Naval Treaty of 1923 restricted cruiser armor thickness, AP shells became either a secondary ammo or were eliminated altogether in anti-cruiser base-fuzed shells. (Indeed, duri9ng WWII in the Pacific, the US Navy realized that the Japanese cruisers had only 1-2" of homogeneous armor, so they had a large number of 8" nose-fuzed HC rounds modified with only a solid steel nose plug (no Auxiliary Detonating Fuze either) and the base fuze -- US Navy WWII 6" and up HC rounds had both a nose fuze and a base fuze to allow various kinds of targets to be attacked -- replaced by older obsolete base detonating fuzes or, when those ran out, by the usual AP shell's Mark 21 Base Fuze. US Navy heavy cruisers now had the option of using, in effect, delay-action AP shells against Japanese cruisers with 6% fillers -- four times the explosive charge of a usual US Navy WWII AP shell! They had the most "bang for the buck" of any WWII ship against their armored opponent.)
That arrow coming in from the lower left hand side in the "Trafalgar and Beyond" exhibit has me wondering how many Americans fought at Trafalgar (voluntarily or otherwise?)
The arrow probably has more to do with Canada (BNA at the time), the Caribbean, &c.
But your query is still absolute valid, though probably tricky since the British didn't consider their sailors that ran to the USA to have become Americans until (at least) post-1810.
So the only reportable Americans would be those who self-identified and volunteered as such. (Or told the story when they got home.)
Looks like a place I'd love to visit, unfortunately I'm an ocean away.
If you ever want maritime museum filled entirely with models and paintings come to national maritime museum in Gdańsk. There is even 360° walk in google street view.
I love the true to life models. I'd never go to just see pictures on the wall.
Your comment that your dutiful wife was seeing if there is an admission charge as you all ready took off taking pics, is why my wife refuses to go to museums with me and our daughter.
My wife would rather be in the car or play with our sons as my daughter and I “nerd out”.
Another passion of mine is Motorsport, and one event that is done magnificently is the Goodwood Revival Festival. The track is presented exactly as it was in the postwar period of 50s to late 60s, they race the cars that were raced from Georgian era Plane engined speedsters right up to Le mans sportscars of the late 70s and dress of that postwar baby boomer era is strongly encouraged for attendees. So far they have managed to do a cracking job and have a changing 'storyline' so if you go one year and come back another - it is completely different. Actually they do such a good job that museums and patrons of the traditional arts have taken notice "We RACE our art!"
Goodwood is a special place, be it the circuit, or the Duke's driveway.
If anyone needs a prompt to go to the museum this is it.
I bet that KG5 is more than just a display model.
Did you see the Rogers collection at the Naval Academy while you were in the US? Or the collection at the Mariner's Museum in Newport News?
It would be interesting to see the models up close, for positions as they pertain to the stories of famous crewmen or actions.
Thanks for the Video, (as I shall never get there myself), as ex navy I would love to get lost in there.
Excellent 👍
while the Estonian maritime museum does suffer from kidification, they do have a real pre-WW2 british built submarine on display, so for all you british naval fans, if you ever stumble into eastern europe, its worth a go!
thanks
Tell me Drach is happy without telling me Drach is happy.
Oh, how the mighty scramble, when our historical overlord grumbles?
HMS Agamemnon I believe.
When I was a kid, I didn't like kid museums. I liked the real stuff. Same with books. As soon as I could read I was trying to read the most complete historical books. Adults would be well advised not to make assumptions about what children like and are capable of.
8:27 That's not a quad barrel, it has five barrels on it.
HMS Agamemnon, Nelson's ship with which he made his name as an aggressive captain. I had to scratch my head for most of this video, but once I remembered, I cheated and double checked.
Thanks. You confirmed my guess.
wicked super cool
When I was a kid I was into science and aerospace stuff. But museums with stupid interactive stuff that was dumbed down to Sesame Street levels never held much interest for me; I liked going to museums where there were real jets and rockets to look at, and of course airshows where I could hear the thunder of a Rolls Royce Merlin engine in a P-51 at full throttle during the takeoff roll.
The idea that you need to make museums "accessible" to people and children who don't really and never will give a crap about history boggles my mind.
The Peabody-Essex museum was a great maritime museum in Massachusetts.Then they changed it to modern art ….so sad
Your assumption about the half-model at 8:57 is not quite right - this style was cheaper and more compact. A very common prototyping/display technique, not just for maritime.
The COVID shutdown was a good stretch for museums to do extensive (and often long-delayed) maintenance on displays. The couple of local ones I frequent came back looking quite different and in much better shape overall. In particular, they completely refurbished and repaired the History of the Holocaust display in the state museum, which had accumulated an appalling amount of damage from vandalism and attracted a lot of complaints from patrons, self included. Even better, their security had spent part of the time extensively reviewing their camera feeds over the years, which led to several people being banned from the property for life. Apparently they'd also been breaking and "editing" parts of the displays involving indigenous peoples and Black history, both local and their roles in national military service. Sadly the DA refused to pursue criminal charges for vandalism and hate crimes. He's not in office any more though, which is itself gratifying.
I notice there's been a marked drop-off in damage to exhibits since the reopening, which suggests a lot of it could be attributed to the handful of White supremacist scum that have been removed for good.
In Britain it is considered bad manners to bring up ones political bias in polite conversation.