fun fact!!! in one of his slightly older videos, (during 3.6, he was doing some nilou nahida bloom stuff) he put a dendro damage bonus goblet on his nahida, with the intent being to increase the bloom core damage.
@@columbinadamselettefani know barely anything about building teams and building characters and i'm horrible at it but EVEN I KNOW THATS NOT WHAT U DO FOR DENDRO CORESSSGDFDVDHXXGH
Watching Moga team build two teams with mostly no synergies and complain about the difficulty is always so funny. Like bro had access to sucrose, gaming, AND Thoma (burgeon) but chose Qiqi and Lisa instead.
@@jaydenmotley7915 i mean beidou will just do more damage, and Kaeya and Rosaria are RIGHT THERE. just do melt Gaming with hyperbloom sucrose on second half (sucrose,beidou, barbara, dendro traveller). like there is so many possibilities with THIS amount of characters
I agree. It’s funny but extremely painful he’s a content creator but seems to honestly know nothing about the game mechanics. Dendro mc, Candace, Thoma, and Barb would’ve been decent I think.
@@kokichishares5965 I can't believe Moga complained about the difficulty of disabling the Ruin Serpent and the Wenut when both Yanfei and Aloy were available. Like Aloy is, literally, a Cryo Bow Main DPS and Yanfei can hit EVERYTHING in one shot without needing to actually aim. Of course, we can say all this, but we don't know who has built and to what degree. Like I don't have my Aloy built so I wouldn't use her for this challenge. It would be interesting to know which of the characters on the "Below 5% Pick Rate" List Moga actually has built because there are a LOT of Heavy Hitters on that list and the only one Moga tried was Itto.
I used Baizhu instead of Nahida for all of my dendro teams from his first banner to now (just got her). Now I can use dendro teams both sides! But yeah I don’t know why he said there weren’t good dendro options he had like all of the dendro four stars. Nahida is not necessary at all, just ridiculously good.
An underleveled unit that synergizes with your team will always outperformed a raised unit that has no synergy. Yaoyao was the defining factor in your Wenut success. Don't overlook her.
I was looking for someone to mention yaoyao. She doesn’t even need to be leveled because she’ll still heal more than enough and isn’t the damage in the reaction.
These are not the worst units, these percentages are the amount of usage of characters in relation to number of all players that own the said character, (for example, if only 2 people have a said character and both of them use the character, the usage of that character would be 100%) so 4 stars are naturally in a disadvantage, since most people have them already, when you get a 5 star you tend to use them more and less people have certain 5 stars. Also the sample size for this tier list is only like around 150-200K
Some people also use characters due to their ease of use, recency bias, 5*>4* mentality and likeability. For example there is no reason to ever place sucrose as one of the worst characters, same with Gaming, Rosaria, Yaoyao and beidou. It's probably due to the popular must equal good mentality, that people still struggle with the abyss and feel that they need to spend.
yeah like alot of people have keqing cause she is on the standard banner and so her usage rate will be low, doesn't she is one of the "worst characters"
@@Toqrainbow I am just explaining the context behind the tierlist since many tend to misunderstand it and rank characters based on that, if you dont care , cool, keep that to yourself.
This was my thoughts too. Some of the people on that list like Beidou and Yaoyao I actually use quite regularly. Also we all know Sucrose is an S tier unit lol.
Seriously it boggles my mind he didn’t choose Yaoyao. Chose Dehya. Then tried to do a healer less team multiple times. Then finally chose Yaoyao and he actually cleared it
It’s actually insane to me how bad he is at the game considering how long he’s been playing it. ESPECIALLY considering his content is based on COMBAT. How is blud this incompetent like actually…
There is a very easy way to keep the robots in chamber 3 close together: Just attack the ranged one. There is always one ranged and one melee robot. If you attack the melee one, the ranged one will just shoot you from afar. But if you attack the ranged one, the melee robot has to approach, so then you can hit both at once.
I am watching a man lose the will to live every continuous minute. Damn, Abyss has hands 22:07 Dude, I’ll be hype for you: LET’S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MOGA! YOU ABSOLUTE BEAST YOU DID IT!
friendly reminder that just because some of those characters are on the c tier part of the abyss usage doesn’t mean they are the worst characters! (for example: eula, sucrose and yanfei are all down there and they are no where near being the worst characters)
After watching this video again I think one of the biggest tragedies is the fact before you lost your sanity, you were using Yun Jin with Itto. She essentially did nothing but generate particles 💀
Seeing that roster, I think Beidou aggrevate would probably be very good for 1st half. It's always 2 enemies which is the perfect condition for Beidou's burst
The usage rate list is just a usage rate list and not meant to be taken seriously. I love Yanfei and used her a lot. She’s not the best but with the right supports she does great. Unfortunately no good support is in the same c tier.
22:02 Such determination is admirable Moga, u can be proud of ur 36 star run honestly. But still remember that sometimes a small break can do wonders on ones performance, take care dude we dont wanna see u lose ur mind on a game we wanna see u enjoy your own perfomance while u play.( much love btw u r probably the best genshin youtuber out there in my opinion ♥)
It's so crazy to me that he has played this game for so long, makes videos on every character, and still misunderstands them to this extent 😅 Even a level 20 Yaoyao would have been infinitely better than your level 90 Collei, let alone a level 70 Yaoyao, because her dendro application would have been 3x as good, which is more important than the negligible damage Collei provided. And her dendro app is not energy-gated. Plus she can heal well if you put some decent gear on her, negating your need for the deadweight Sayu and running someone more offensive like Sucrose. It pained me how many times you were DPSing on Keqing without any actual quicken. Also, you drove yourself crazy too early by requiring a full 3 star clear of each chamber. Keep in you mind you use mostly constellated 5 stars with 5 star weapons to clear regularly. We don't expect the same from characters you don't use. I think I've seen this film before though...
Collei with cons isn't energy gated either, as her elemental skill creates an aura around you. Plenty of application for aggravate. But yeah, Yaoyao is the better choice, bringing more useful things to the team.
you could of use a bárbara-lisa hyperbloom for the bosses, i know is kinda dumb to say it now but only in case you ever do this again , full em lisa with high er and on field bárbara is good enough, especially if some has instructor and deep wood
Lisa sucks at hitting Dendro cores, especially against bosses like this because her attacks are always going to go upward. She’s much better as an Aggravate driver or support for another Aggravate like he does with Keqing.
@@LeoWolf305 Good Luck pulling for him! ^^ I no longer play but he was my main for a *very* long time as well, to me he's as fun to play with as his personality.
@@joeyisabsb1 that's the problem, i also love collecting characters lmao so the only way for me to save that much is if there's no one else i'm interested in which is nearly impossible
exactly my thoughts it baffles me how he plays genshin as his full time job yet doesn't even have full dendro traveler cons. most of the content creators for genshin seem to not explore for some reason.
I have c6 Anemo and c6 Geo Traveler, mostly since I'm lazy af and haven't even done Inazuma yet at ar45💀, but that's from how much exploring I've done and gone around for everything I could grab. I blame ADHD, but good lord.. if I could c6 Dendro and still have a chance in the abyss when I make it there, I'm taking that and going full-speed ahead for it. I need to work on Traveler anyway, but man, I would be throwing my controller if I didn't go around for other things to make my time easier unlike youtubers do to suffer through it all. Like why? Why would you do that to yourself???@@GamersUnite1209
getting flashbacks of when i didn't know how to build characters properly and was retrying abyss for hours on end. that nervous laugh got me 😅 poor guy. thanks for the content
Oh god.... that sounds like a horror movie plot🤣🤣 I might need to do it then, the stupid craziness of that gets my brain thinking of so much that could be chaotic. Like how many bursts might happen or otherwise, I might just have to do it... if I'm lucky enough to pull him soon since I got Baizhu instead.@@moonlight_oats
I don’t know about Navia, but Mika and Chevreuse’s aiming mode is a selector reticle, not an aiming one. Where exactly on the enemy’s body the hero’s projectile will land is at the mercy of auto-targeting derp. They can’t snipe a Ruin robot’s KO point(s), so they probably can’t hit a mostly non-enemy target like the Wenut’s balls.
you don’t have to hit the anemo balls in the wenut if you have an anemo character. you can just apply an element on the wenut then us anemo and swirl on him, he should go down.
Yeah, I thought that’s how that worked. It was so sad seeing him immediately give up each run after his Keqing ult failed when he could have just used a normal attack from Lisa and Sucrose
The keqing burst without placing her skill first hurts me (she does extra damage if a lightning stiletto is out when you use her burst. And the stiletto stays so you can still get electro infusion)
@@sumeristhefox1258 No, her first constellation states that if you use her skill again once a lightning stilleto is active, the start and end points of her teleport have aoe electro damage. It has nothing to do with her burst. I know it's easy to get confused because they use the name of the talent, i myself get confused by such wording because i don't remember the names sometimes. But checking takes literally a few seconds. Please check next time because players who don't know about stuff may end up believing wrong information.
Yeah i would like evidence of this, as literally nothing in her kit mentions this whatsoever. If that's true then it's baffling that nothing in the game tells you this.
Right off the bat this seems pretty easy ngl. Sure, being a theorycrafter Keqing main helps, but it's still not rocket science to figure it out. First half really doesn't matter, I would also use Itto. But Mika and Yunjin are normal attack buffers while Itto is a charged attacker, so I'd definately use Noelle because she has a shield and that activates geo resonance. Last teammate really doesn't matter. You could've also used Eula with Mika and Lisa, and it would've been fine-ish. Second half is.. also much more easy than you make it out to be. Keqing - Sucrose - Kirara. Kirara is a surprisingly amazing unit that noone uses (i triple crowned her because shes a cat lmao). She gives more than enough defensive utility, and applies enough dendro. Her Burst spread also stuns the mech-worm. Sucrose is great, because swirling any element off the Wenut in it's orb phase instantly stuns it. Swirl spreads the element, just far enough to reach the orbs. And because she's not skill or burst reliant, you can damage the wenut during it's pop outs before any big attack (those being the 3rd and 5th attacks ALWAYS.) The last slot can really be anyone once again, Beidou for defensive utility, Mika for healing, Lisa for Def shred, any bow user for the dragon, etc. And against the dragon; if you only want to 9* floor 12, you can 6* the first 2 phases, then use a team designed to beat the 3rd phase. You can use the Itto team for the dragon, Gorou shoots it and (iirc) he can't gain geo res, so you don't even need to shoot it's head to interrupt it. And if you 3*d the first 2 phases, you can just exit, do them again while taking much longer to gain ER and preserve hp, and 3* the last phase. It'll still count as 9*s.
Noelle also has bigger AoE than Itto, making dealing with the second chamber way easier because those assholes like to spread themselves out quite a lot. 🥲 Also, I love that you’re calling the Drake a “dragon” lol.
Jyo did that clearing tricks, but... I felt that was not I should be proud with when comes of using many team comps or characters for only each Chambers. I just... I just want to prove Keqing along with more ways to play with her and clearing in all 3 Chambers in each single floor.
Congrats on clearing the abyss with less popular characters but i think it would have been significantly easier if you used Keqing Beidou Sucrose YaoYao first side and Itto GeoMc Gorou and Proto amber Lisa second side (i'm pretty sure lisa can pop the wenut balls) or something of the sort
Issue is, just because these characters have low pick rates doesn’t mean they are BAD. They are just underused. I doubt there are any “bad” characters just overshadowed ones. Sure, there are better picks for Heizou and YangFei, but that doesn’t make them bad at all. You can easily make a super good build out of these characters.
Congratulations Moga! I feel bad for your suffering but you did it to yourself. Nevertheless, great video and had a ton of fun watching you suffer. Can't wait for the next one!
@@Spiritwonder420 yes, i know that, it's not the first time i watch a video on this channel here and more often than not it's the actual execution he is lacking rather than the idea of something, so seeing him improving in his actual gameplay was a quite pleasant surprise. Not everyone has the same skill baseline and thats fine, i like seeing people take on a challenge and improve through it, thats enough entertainment for me on the side
@@zeseku1493It’s not the execution he sucks at. He doesn’t know how to make a good team to save his life. Opting for Collei and Sayu over Sucrose and one of the two defensive Dendro options available to him made him struggle consistently. It was only after getting Yaoyao and Sucrose on the team that he cleared it first try.
yep, lots of abilities can get you out. keqing can escape with the thrust attack in her normal combo (4th or 5th, I can't remember,) kaeya has a normal that teleports him, rosaria's E, shenhe's tap E. basically anything that teleports you or makes you dash forward can let you escape. I think it's any attack that allows you to travel through an enemy will also let you travel through the cage.
I’ve only seen the thumbnail so far, and I clicked bc I use Yao Yao and Lisa EVERY SINGLE spiral abyss rotation- (Yao yao is C6 and I have none of the limited 5 star dendro characters)
I would have gone with Dori instead of Qiqi on the top half. She's electro and with better elemental app than Qiqi, so she can take down the shields. And I'd probably have used Ning over Yun Jin. For the Sucrose attempt, should have put Prototype Amber on her, if you didn't. Though really, you should have just used Yaoyao from the start, level 70 or not. She's an HP scaler, she'd live regardless, and her dendro app wouldn't change.
It’s only because she’s incredibly niche and only helps a few characters. Yoimiya is basically the only unit who has Yunjin in their highest damage team, and even on those teams she’s replaceable. Down the line we may get more normal attackers who Yun Jin can truly buff, but for now, she’s stuck being way too niche.
As a Beidou main who fights the Wenut with her as often as possible, I’d recommend to build her for pain DPS on a 2-piece berserker, two piece thundering fury, and a electro dmg piece on the side and wolfs gravestone for claymore, the damage with Sucrose is top tier (I run a 4-star team for fighting Wenut in general it’s more fun that way)
two teams that would work here: keqing, yaoyao, beidou, sucrose standard keqing aggravate team barbara, dori, lisa, dendro mc hyperbloom team, lisa’s burst and dori’s skills can trigger hyperbloom and barbara and dendro mc can make the cores, barbara would be on field. you made this harder than it had to be 😔 you could also run itto instead of lisa for itto hyperbloom if you wanted..
I honestly can see these tables with the most used for the abyss characters isn't that reliable. I have ayaka since ages yet she didn't clear me any abyss 12 cause her teammates were not kazuha shenhe kokomi... now itto has chiori and his teams are much better because of her, yet people still think he got worse reputation in meta cause navia is "easy to boom a one big number" instead of slight aoe ultimate but I am that person who likes itto's play style a lot more. it's satisfying and rewarding, his def buffer is not a shenhe not a five star locked one he got his signature sub dps now and I wish more people were a tiny bit more open to dps that aren't mainstream for some reason
yea wenut is the most biggest middle finger for any abyss teams. 50% of the time its practically invincible, and the abyss variant have over 55% res to all except anemo with 90% yea its nice to see a boss that is invincible most of the time while practically halves your damage
It has more vulnerable time than the Serpent, but because it’s a higher chamber than the Serpent, it was given more HP and more resistances. I don’t know who decided on this Abyss but they need to be fired.
@@JosepiThe13th HP raises by floor but resistance doesnt it has a solid 55% resist to all and 90% to anemo (i checked this on wiki) it doesnt matter if its on 1st floor 2nd or 3rd it will have that BS resistance along with it being invulnerable for half of the time i understand the emchanics to be fun, but it aint fun if there's a timer ticking above your screen
Also, don't forget that there's someone that used to use the following 8 only for this stuff: Traveler, Kaeya, Lisa, Amber, Barbara, Xiangling, Noelle, Collei
@955 dendro also brings more attention to amber, lisa, and the traveler too for different reasons. collei to a lesser extent as well but she's still "copium dendro". Also, idk if they ever fixed that thing with barbara making more dendro cores than the limit allowed
Holy crap, dude. Now I'm annoyed for not getting her, but if I do and when, she'll be coming along for a few chambers. And even if she may not be used much, built right, it's more than likely worth the time and investment to get her up since I already have Rosaria and Diluc on the 'backburner' to work through. Just need them leveled up more first, though, then I can worry about Eula in the future.
pick rate being low doesn’t necessarily mean they’re a bad unit by the way!! the tier list is just a sample size of people and the how often a character gets picked over others, hence why it’s mostly 4 stars/standard 5 stars in the lower tiers!! Because people generally tend to go for the limited 5 star character they pulled over a 4 star option
They shouldn’t even call it a “tier list.” It’s just not that. It’s simply an Abyss usage rate list. But I guess putting “tier list” in the name gives it more clicks :P
This man has a talent of picking the wrost teams possible
For real TvT. But that makes it more fun to watch xD
Yup like I know it’s a challenge but. It didn’t have to be this dumb lol
I'm always in awe how little he knows about team building or this game in general.
fun fact!!! in one of his slightly older videos, (during 3.6, he was doing some nilou nahida bloom stuff) he put a dendro damage bonus goblet on his nahida, with the intent being to increase the bloom core damage.
@@columbinadamselettefani know barely anything about building teams and building characters and i'm horrible at it but EVEN I KNOW THATS NOT WHAT U DO FOR DENDRO CORESSSGDFDVDHXXGH
Watching Moga team build two teams with mostly no synergies and complain about the difficulty is always so funny. Like bro had access to sucrose, gaming, AND Thoma (burgeon) but chose Qiqi and Lisa instead.
Lisa def shread plus gaming isn’t good with those characters and theirs are no good hydros
@@jaydenmotley7915 i mean beidou will just do more damage, and Kaeya and Rosaria are RIGHT THERE. just do melt Gaming with hyperbloom sucrose on second half (sucrose,beidou, barbara, dendro traveller). like there is so many possibilities with THIS amount of characters
I agree. It’s funny but extremely painful he’s a content creator but seems to honestly know nothing about the game mechanics. Dendro mc, Candace, Thoma, and Barb would’ve been decent I think.
@@kokichishares5965 I can't believe Moga complained about the difficulty of disabling the Ruin Serpent and the Wenut when both Yanfei and Aloy were available. Like Aloy is, literally, a Cryo Bow Main DPS and Yanfei can hit EVERYTHING in one shot without needing to actually aim. Of course, we can say all this, but we don't know who has built and to what degree. Like I don't have my Aloy built so I wouldn't use her for this challenge. It would be interesting to know which of the characters on the "Below 5% Pick Rate" List Moga actually has built because there are a LOT of Heavy Hitters on that list and the only one Moga tried was Itto.
@@ForeverDegenerateno dude aloy is god awful
"we don't have the best dendro" while yao yao and dendro traveler are literally right there...
Fr the only reason they’re even down there is because Nahida is in her own league but besides her those two are the next best dendro appliers
Literally, just because Nahida isn’t there it doesn’t mean that other dendro units are bad😅
Yeah before I got Nahida I would always every single abyss bring either DMC, Yaoyao, or Kirara.
@@thelobotomobile same! I skipped nahidas first banner so I used DMC in the abyss for hyperbloom. It worked! 😂
I used Baizhu instead of Nahida for all of my dendro teams from his first banner to now (just got her). Now I can use dendro teams both sides! But yeah I don’t know why he said there weren’t good dendro options he had like all of the dendro four stars. Nahida is not necessary at all, just ridiculously good.
"Not the best dendros ever" *literally all the 4 star Dendros and traveler* 😂😂😂 what kind of a joke was that
I love watching Moga videos I always feel so smart afterwards
Lmao true😂😂
Didn't have to do him that dirty🤣🤣
LMAO
Bro had access to sucrose and thought "nah" 💀
I wouldn't use Sucrose myself lol she is cluncky af
20:59 the most cursed laugh ever 💀
Fr blud lost it
Villain laugh
He's going through his villain arc
It's his Joker moment
FR, it scared the heck out of me 😭
bro was losing his sanity
An underleveled unit that synergizes with your team will always outperformed a raised unit that has no synergy.
Yaoyao was the defining factor in your Wenut success. Don't overlook her.
I was looking for someone to mention yaoyao. She doesn’t even need to be leveled because she’ll still heal more than enough and isn’t the damage in the reaction.
But less good content for us to watch because less suffering
@@DefinitelyNotAFerret you like the unnecessary suffering? It was just frustrating to me
BARS I LOVE YAOYAO
These are not the worst units, these percentages are the amount of usage of characters in relation to number of all players that own the said character, (for example, if only 2 people have a said character and both of them use the character, the usage of that character would be 100%) so 4 stars are naturally in a disadvantage, since most people have them already, when you get a 5 star you tend to use them more and less people have certain 5 stars. Also the sample size for this tier list is only like around 150-200K
Some people also use characters due to their ease of use, recency bias, 5*>4* mentality and likeability.
For example there is no reason to ever place sucrose as one of the worst characters, same with Gaming, Rosaria, Yaoyao and beidou.
It's probably due to the popular must equal good mentality, that people still struggle with the abyss and feel that they need to spend.
yeah like alot of people have keqing cause she is on the standard banner and so her usage rate will be low, doesn't she is one of the "worst characters"
@@Toqrainbow I am just explaining the context behind the tierlist since many tend to misunderstand it and rank characters based on that, if you dont care , cool, keep that to yourself.
@@Toqrainbowmeanwhile the person taking it seriously is you
This was my thoughts too. Some of the people on that list like Beidou and Yaoyao I actually use quite regularly. Also we all know Sucrose is an S tier unit lol.
20:54 was the most unhinged laugh I have ever heard XD
Man this pains me even more than doing abyss myself
1:18 what you mean?? Yao-yao lvl70 works fiiiine (seriously her ult heals too much)
Seriously it boggles my mind he didn’t choose Yaoyao. Chose Dehya. Then tried to do a healer less team multiple times. Then finally chose Yaoyao and he actually cleared it
was literally internally screaming this
Like genuinely. My Yaoyao is still level 70 and she keeps my Aggravate team alive no problem.
WHY IS BLUD TRYING TO PHYSICAL TEAM THE WENUT 😭😭😭 (good video though as per usual)
i think he slipped into absolute insanity
dead kmao@@kontters
this was the funniest thing ever... I could not believe believe my ears...
@selfdisembowelled He's certainly the most casual Genshin/Star Rail content creator, besides Box2.
Moga is known for being terrible at team building. At this point it’s a staple of his channel.
It's hard to believe this guy has been playing since the start ... those teams with 0 synergy when he had so many good options ... 💀
It’s actually insane to me how bad he is at the game considering how long he’s been playing it. ESPECIALLY considering his content is based on COMBAT. How is blud this incompetent like actually…
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he could've used barbara in the keqing team for hyperbloom and ningguang is a better unit for itto team😭😭
Eula was a good choice anyway
There is a very easy way to keep the robots in chamber 3 close together: Just attack the ranged one. There is always one ranged and one melee robot. If you attack the melee one, the ranged one will just shoot you from afar. But if you attack the ranged one, the melee robot has to approach, so then you can hit both at once.
20:50 bro is going insane
I mean he is doing something crazy
If my team building skills were that bad, I’d go crazy too.
I am watching a man lose the will to live every continuous minute. Damn, Abyss has hands
22:07 Dude, I’ll be hype for you: LET’S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MOGA! YOU ABSOLUTE BEAST YOU DID IT!
So we nut next update
calm down he won't kiss you
@@Najodo646 i will 😂
@@Najodo646let the guy enjoy it, buzzkill
lmao love tis vid ngò
friendly reminder that just because some of those characters are on the c tier part of the abyss usage doesn’t mean they are the worst characters! (for example: eula, sucrose and yanfei are all down there and they are no where near being the worst characters)
Sucrose is actually an S-tier unit, but Eula and Yanfei being there is pretty justified to be honest
Happy to be contributing to the Yanfei pickrate this abyss :)
yeah, it also definitely depends on the enemies in the current abyss because some picks get overshadowed by others
@@finnunruh654 yeah but my point is is that they aren’t the worst characters
@@111111hakar samee!!
After watching this video again I think one of the biggest tragedies is the fact before you lost your sanity, you were using Yun Jin with Itto. She essentially did nothing but generate particles 💀
Geo resonance maybe? 😂 he works in mysterious ways.
Gorou needs 3 Geo units for full buff and Itto needs to do some NA's for stacks. So she kinda works with him.
@@blaze8308 Just use ttds Ningguang. Better than Yun Jin
@@StProgress340 Tell that to Moga 😂
@@blaze8308 too late 🥲, he already depress
Seeing that roster, I think Beidou aggrevate would probably be very good for 1st half. It's always 2 enemies which is the perfect condition for Beidou's burst
I used beidou this rotation she was very fun to play!
As a Yanfei main I would like to say that I DO in fact use her in the abyss and that she IS a great unit
She would be a great option if there were better supports for her under 5%
dude, don’t take it personally. i always clear abyss with diluc and everyone calls him bad
The usage rate list is just a usage rate list and not meant to be taken seriously. I love Yanfei and used her a lot. She’s not the best but with the right supports she does great. Unfortunately no good support is in the same c tier.
me too, just need a better shielder, and probably better artifacts
Me when I use Chongyun: I understand your pain
Normal attack buffer on the Itto team. My condolences Moga, it hurt to watch your extra and unecessary suffering 😅
Man, I literally had chills when Moga started jokering at the two star screen
Dendro traveler is so underrated for the EM buff and super short ele skill cd.
I would have just replaced Yun Jin with Elegy Noblesse Amber and used Itto on Wenut instead of spending 6 hours on it but you do you Moga. :P
Sounds like absolute PAIN.
I think we all learned a lesson today. Some characters are still very op even at level 70. Use them.
Fr. Him not wanting to use Yaoyao because she was “only Lvl 70” is hilarious to me. Level 70 Yaoyao is still Yaoyao 😂
22:02 Such determination is admirable Moga, u can be proud of ur 36 star run honestly. But still remember that sometimes a small break can do wonders on ones performance, take care dude we dont wanna see u lose ur mind on a game we wanna see u enjoy your own perfomance while u play.( much love btw u r probably the best genshin youtuber out there in my opinion ♥)
It's so crazy to me that he has played this game for so long, makes videos on every character, and still misunderstands them to this extent 😅 Even a level 20 Yaoyao would have been infinitely better than your level 90 Collei, let alone a level 70 Yaoyao, because her dendro application would have been 3x as good, which is more important than the negligible damage Collei provided. And her dendro app is not energy-gated. Plus she can heal well if you put some decent gear on her, negating your need for the deadweight Sayu and running someone more offensive like Sucrose. It pained me how many times you were DPSing on Keqing without any actual quicken.
Also, you drove yourself crazy too early by requiring a full 3 star clear of each chamber. Keep in you mind you use mostly constellated 5 stars with 5 star weapons to clear regularly. We don't expect the same from characters you don't use. I think I've seen this film before though...
Collei with cons isn't energy gated either, as her elemental skill creates an aura around you. Plenty of application for aggravate. But yeah, Yaoyao is the better choice, bringing more useful things to the team.
@@Axterix13And Collei's energy gated dendro app isn't even good, cause she has her own weird ICD. Yeah shes just a bit of a strange character.
even dendro mc would have been better...
you could of use a bárbara-lisa hyperbloom for the bosses, i know is kinda dumb to say it now but only in case you ever do this again , full em lisa with high er and on field bárbara is good enough, especially if some has instructor and deep wood
Lisa sucks at hitting Dendro cores, especially against bosses like this because her attacks are always going to go upward. She’s much better as an Aggravate driver or support for another Aggravate like he does with Keqing.
If Itto ever gets a rerun, c6ing him will unlock the most fun thing you'll ever do. His C6 is brainded kind of fun LOL.
Itto’s rerun is next patch! I’m so excited he’s my main
@@LeoWolf305 Good Luck pulling for him! ^^ I no longer play but he was my main for a *very* long time as well, to me he's as fun to play with as his personality.
having his c6 is one of my dreams bc he's my fav 5 star and it looks so fun but im f2p so...yeah it won't happen so soon
@@tetept4I mean I saved for over a year and was able to get a c6 Arlecchino. If you want it enough just stop pulling other characters 😂
@@joeyisabsb1 that's the problem, i also love collecting characters lmao so the only way for me to save that much is if there's no one else i'm interested in which is nearly impossible
should have used keqing on thundering fury with dendro mc+yao yao. That was unecessary suffering
exactly my thoughts it baffles me how he plays genshin as his full time job yet doesn't even have full dendro traveler cons. most of the content creators for genshin seem to not explore for some reason.
@@GamersUnite1209real and dmcs cons arent even that hard to get either😭😭
All because of everyone judging characters based on Spiral Abyss only.
I have c6 Anemo and c6 Geo Traveler, mostly since I'm lazy af and haven't even done Inazuma yet at ar45💀, but that's from how much exploring I've done and gone around for everything I could grab. I blame ADHD, but good lord.. if I could c6 Dendro and still have a chance in the abyss when I make it there, I'm taking that and going full-speed ahead for it.
I need to work on Traveler anyway, but man, I would be throwing my controller if I didn't go around for other things to make my time easier unlike youtubers do to suffer through it all. Like why? Why would you do that to yourself???@@GamersUnite1209
Dude became Light Yagami for a sec at 20:53
Should've chosen barbara instead of sayu for hyperbloom and off field healing and revive as well
I love how almost a whole team of mine is in the C section. Its Itto and Gorou (i have been 36 stars the abyss with them since their first banner)
getting flashbacks of when i didn't know how to build characters properly and was retrying abyss for hours on end. that nervous laugh got me 😅 poor guy. thanks for the content
Im laughing so hard when u tried to hit the wenut bubble thingy with mika XD
He could have gotted the three star on that 6: 59 run with keqing but he stopped charged atking😭😭he had enough stamina too
Bluds going through the five stages of grief💀💀💀
😂lmao
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Dude you crazy
Your will is admirable, I don't even bother with abyss most of the time out of lazyness, omg congrats
20:55 blud really went insane for the sake of his viewers
For future torture sessions : when u have a catalyst user and not a healer equip the catalyst user with R5 Prototype Amber maybe 😅
Something about healer wanderer builds specifically terrify me
Oh god.... that sounds like a horror movie plot🤣🤣
I might need to do it then, the stupid craziness of that gets my brain thinking of so much that could be chaotic. Like how many bursts might happen or otherwise, I might just have to do it... if I'm lucky enough to pull him soon since I got Baizhu instead.@@moonlight_oats
I don’t know about Navia, but Mika and Chevreuse’s aiming mode is a selector reticle, not an aiming one. Where exactly on the enemy’s body the hero’s projectile will land is at the mercy of auto-targeting derp. They can’t snipe a Ruin robot’s KO point(s), so they probably can’t hit a mostly non-enemy target like the Wenut’s balls.
Yup, and it sucks. Those things have cool downs, they should let us aim. More fun that way.
I 36* floor 12 with Noelle and Keqing but they had good teams. Good job Moga you did great
you don’t have to hit the anemo balls in the wenut if you have an anemo character. you can just apply an element on the wenut then us anemo and swirl on him, he should go down.
Yeah, I thought that’s how that worked. It was so sad seeing him immediately give up each run after his Keqing ult failed when he could have just used a normal attack from Lisa and Sucrose
The keqing burst without placing her skill first hurts me (she does extra damage if a lightning stiletto is out when you use her burst. And the stiletto stays so you can still get electro infusion)
Wait what? Where is this mentioned in her kit? I don't see any extra damage because of her skill being mentioned
@@Mirongwits her first constelation
@@sumeristhefox1258 No, her first constellation states that if you use her skill again once a lightning stilleto is active, the start and end points of her teleport have aoe electro damage.
It has nothing to do with her burst.
I know it's easy to get confused because they use the name of the talent, i myself get confused by such wording because i don't remember the names sometimes. But checking takes literally a few seconds.
Please check next time because players who don't know about stuff may end up believing wrong information.
Yeah i would like evidence of this, as literally nothing in her kit mentions this whatsoever. If that's true then it's baffling that nothing in the game tells you this.
dont u just get reduced CD bc E CD starts ticking down from the moment you throw the stiletto so u save some time during burst animation only?
Cmon u guys as an itto main itto is so underrated 😭 i literally always use him he is my main team in the abyss and if i need to kill anything fast
Keqing Yao Yao sucrose and [flex spot] is a pretty good team
Right off the bat this seems pretty easy ngl. Sure, being a theorycrafter Keqing main helps, but it's still not rocket science to figure it out.
First half really doesn't matter, I would also use Itto. But Mika and Yunjin are normal attack buffers while Itto is a charged attacker, so I'd definately use Noelle because she has a shield and that activates geo resonance. Last teammate really doesn't matter.
You could've also used Eula with Mika and Lisa, and it would've been fine-ish.
Second half is.. also much more easy than you make it out to be. Keqing - Sucrose - Kirara. Kirara is a surprisingly amazing unit that noone uses (i triple crowned her because shes a cat lmao). She gives more than enough defensive utility, and applies enough dendro. Her Burst spread also stuns the mech-worm.
Sucrose is great, because swirling any element off the Wenut in it's orb phase instantly stuns it. Swirl spreads the element, just far enough to reach the orbs. And because she's not skill or burst reliant, you can damage the wenut during it's pop outs before any big attack (those being the 3rd and 5th attacks ALWAYS.)
The last slot can really be anyone once again, Beidou for defensive utility, Mika for healing, Lisa for Def shred, any bow user for the dragon, etc.
And against the dragon; if you only want to 9* floor 12, you can 6* the first 2 phases, then use a team designed to beat the 3rd phase. You can use the Itto team for the dragon, Gorou shoots it and (iirc) he can't gain geo res, so you don't even need to shoot it's head to interrupt it. And if you 3*d the first 2 phases, you can just exit, do them again while taking much longer to gain ER and preserve hp, and 3* the last phase. It'll still count as 9*s.
Noelle also has bigger AoE than Itto, making dealing with the second chamber way easier because those assholes like to spread themselves out quite a lot. 🥲
Also, I love that you’re calling the Drake a “dragon” lol.
If bro understood how swirling Wenut worked, this video woud have been shortened by 4 hours. XD
Jyo did that clearing tricks, but...
I felt that was not I should be proud with when comes of using many team comps or characters for only each Chambers.
I just... I just want to prove Keqing along with more ways to play with her and clearing in all 3 Chambers in each single floor.
I am forever the proud 0.1% user of Chongyun in abyss ❤️
Congrats on clearing the abyss with less popular characters but i think it would have been significantly easier if you used Keqing Beidou Sucrose YaoYao first side and Itto GeoMc Gorou and Proto amber Lisa second side (i'm pretty sure lisa can pop the wenut balls) or something of the sort
i feel like the name of the video is misleading
Misleading? Absolutely. Good clickbait? Yes. And apparently that’s what matters.
@@patricialock1862 oh well
Yeah, more like “i didnt undrstand the characters that i was using, and hurt myelf in the end (36* abyss challange)”
Please make this into a series every Spiral reset. It's hilarious 🤣
its crazy how he had a full eula team (rosa, lisa, yun jin for normals) but chose to go with keqing,
Issue is, just because these characters have low pick rates doesn’t mean they are BAD. They are just underused. I doubt there are any “bad” characters just overshadowed ones. Sure, there are better picks for Heizou and YangFei, but that doesn’t make them bad at all. You can easily make a super good build out of these characters.
now i feel bad for itto because with full geo party he is unstoppable and makes abyss feel like a commission :(
A little reminder every character in Genshin are pretty strong and can clear abyss
Pull for who you want and not for the « meta »
Love you all
Hope u heal from the mental pain dude and try to stay sane🙏
brings me back to those hellish days in 2021 when i would play for hours trying to beat the abyss
Literally no way that Yao Yao is only 3% ?? She’s such a good dendro applier.
Congratulations Moga! I feel bad for your suffering but you did it to yourself. Nevertheless, great video and had a ton of fun watching you suffer. Can't wait for the next one!
Gotta appreciate sm the effort and suffering Moga goes for all of us. It hurt me yet I found sm admiration. GREAT VIDEO YOURE AWESOME!
i'm impressed you actually went through with it and did it, good job!
good job? the guy is not paying attention to any synergy he would have a lot better time if he did
@@Spiritwonder420 yes, i know that, it's not the first time i watch a video on this channel here and more often than not it's the actual execution he is lacking rather than the idea of something, so seeing him improving in his actual gameplay was a quite pleasant surprise. Not everyone has the same skill baseline and thats fine, i like seeing people take on a challenge and improve through it, thats enough entertainment for me on the side
@@zeseku1493It’s not the execution he sucks at. He doesn’t know how to make a good team to save his life. Opting for Collei and Sayu over Sucrose and one of the two defensive Dendro options available to him made him struggle consistently. It was only after getting Yaoyao and Sucrose on the team that he cleared it first try.
Me who uses Dori, Noelle and Freminet as dps in my abyss runs and still clear it fully with all stars…
When you said "the worst" I was assuming the 8 with the lowest use rates
Note: you can escape from fatui girl’s prison with pole-arm characters’ charged attack
yep, lots of abilities can get you out. keqing can escape with the thrust attack in her normal combo (4th or 5th, I can't remember,) kaeya has a normal that teleports him, rosaria's E, shenhe's tap E. basically anything that teleports you or makes you dash forward can let you escape. I think it's any attack that allows you to travel through an enemy will also let you travel through the cage.
I’ve only seen the thumbnail so far, and I clicked bc I use Yao Yao and Lisa EVERY SINGLE spiral abyss rotation- (Yao yao is C6 and I have none of the limited 5 star dendro characters)
I would have gone with Dori instead of Qiqi on the top half. She's electro and with better elemental app than Qiqi, so she can take down the shields. And I'd probably have used Ning over Yun Jin.
For the Sucrose attempt, should have put Prototype Amber on her, if you didn't. Though really, you should have just used Yaoyao from the start, level 70 or not. She's an HP scaler, she'd live regardless, and her dendro app wouldn't change.
20:56 was the breaking point
I did not know yunjin was that low.. I have her in every abyss for my yoimiya and shes pretty insane
It’s only because she’s incredibly niche and only helps a few characters. Yoimiya is basically the only unit who has Yunjin in their highest damage team, and even on those teams she’s replaceable. Down the line we may get more normal attackers who Yun Jin can truly buff, but for now, she’s stuck being way too niche.
20:13 him saying please please sounds like I’m almost done Martha I’m coming back home sweetie…. I’M BACK IN THE FOOKING BUILDING AGAIN
LMAOOO😭😭
As a Beidou main who fights the Wenut with her as often as possible, I’d recommend to build her for pain DPS on a 2-piece berserker, two piece thundering fury, and a electro dmg piece on the side and wolfs gravestone for claymore, the damage with Sucrose is top tier (I run a 4-star team for fighting Wenut in general it’s more fun that way)
Now you know the f2p pain of wishing on characters than end up shit
two teams that would work here:
keqing, yaoyao, beidou, sucrose
standard keqing aggravate team
barbara, dori, lisa, dendro mc
hyperbloom team, lisa’s burst and dori’s skills can trigger hyperbloom and barbara and dendro mc can make the cores, barbara would be on field. you made this harder than it had to be 😔 you could also run itto instead of lisa for itto hyperbloom if you wanted..
Moga and furina in the same room would be a room full of excuses
HEIZOU DOWN RHERE IS A CRIME.
fr 😭
Are u okay sir. 20:56 are u going insane do you need help?
PROUD TO BE PART OF THE 0.9% THAT USES ROSARIA💪💪 (im a whole rosaria main and surprise surprise i got her on day one and mained her since😋)
Omg same i don't use her much anymore but i got her as my first 4 star and built her physical
That mental breakdown is nightmare fuel, I suppose that is the nature of abyss
I honestly can see these tables with the most used for the abyss characters isn't that reliable. I have ayaka since ages yet she didn't clear me any abyss 12 cause her teammates were not kazuha shenhe kokomi... now itto has chiori and his teams are much better because of her, yet people still think he got worse reputation in meta cause navia is "easy to boom a one big number" instead of slight aoe ultimate but I am that person who likes itto's play style a lot more. it's satisfying and rewarding, his def buffer is not a shenhe not a five star locked one he got his signature sub dps now and I wish more people were a tiny bit more open to dps that aren't mainstream for some reason
12:54 that laugh(pain in it)
imagine you did all this then you finished it the video file gets corrupted or forgot to press record
fun fact for the next drake abyss, you do not need to hit it with fully charge shoots to get it to land
I salute your tenacity. I would have rage quit after 20 min!
This is the most insane Moga gone compared to every other videos. Good video but take some time to heal both body and mind Moga
Bro's worst team is still better than my best team
Hell yeah losing sanity Moga is back
“This isn’t so bad” the words of a broken man right there.
you can actually swirl the serpent with sucrose for example and knock it down pretty easily.
As a Lisa main I will happily announce that I am part of that 0.1% and still 36 star the abyss 💪
SAYUUU!!! i never see anyone use sayu exept me. its so nice to see somone else use sayu.
yea wenut is the most biggest middle finger for any abyss teams. 50% of the time its practically invincible, and the abyss variant have over 55% res to all except anemo with 90%
yea its nice to see a boss that is invincible most of the time while practically halves your damage
It has more vulnerable time than the Serpent, but because it’s a higher chamber than the Serpent, it was given more HP and more resistances. I don’t know who decided on this Abyss but they need to be fired.
@@JosepiThe13th HP raises by floor but resistance doesnt it has a solid 55% resist to all and 90% to anemo (i checked this on wiki) it doesnt matter if its on 1st floor 2nd or 3rd it will have that BS resistance along with it being invulnerable for half of the time
i understand the emchanics to be fun, but it aint fun if there's a timer ticking above your screen
as soon as i saw the title i was like "oh no moga"
yanfei and beidou always clears for me due to electro infusion (overload), bring a hydro and then a collei and you have burgeon/hyperbloom
Also, don't forget that there's someone that used to use the following 8 only for this stuff:
Traveler, Kaeya, Lisa, Amber, Barbara, Xiangling, Noelle, Collei
True but Xiangling is still one of the best characters in genshin, certainly the best pyro sub dps
@955 dendro also brings more attention to amber, lisa, and the traveler too for different reasons. collei to a lesser extent as well but she's still "copium dendro".
Also, idk if they ever fixed that thing with barbara making more dendro cores than the limit allowed
@@ctran1955”Sub DPS” 🤢 she’s the best Pyro damage dealer period.
@@JosepiThe13th dude I love Xiangling but cmon why are you being like that 😂
I 36 star every abyss with Eula, she's not bad people are bad
Holy crap, dude.
Now I'm annoyed for not getting her, but if I do and when, she'll be coming along for a few chambers. And even if she may not be used much, built right, it's more than likely worth the time and investment to get her up since I already have Rosaria and Diluc on the 'backburner' to work through. Just need them leveled up more first, though, then I can worry about Eula in the future.
do abyss with her rn then
The ruin serpent must be illegal for the abyss.
Watching Moga have a mental breakdown over genshin is so fun
pick rate being low doesn’t necessarily mean they’re a bad unit by the way!! the tier list is just a sample size of people and the how often a character gets picked over others, hence why it’s mostly 4 stars/standard 5 stars in the lower tiers!! Because people generally tend to go for the limited 5 star character they pulled over a 4 star option
it’s also why the support type characters are ranked higher since they can fit into many different team comps
They shouldn’t even call it a “tier list.” It’s just not that. It’s simply an Abyss usage rate list. But I guess putting “tier list” in the name gives it more clicks :P