I've been watching some comments on line of people moving from Octopus and thinking just that. Octopus are a company that won't want to be left behind and I'd expect some interesting tariff tweaking in the next couple of months. Till then I better have another go at the spreadsheet although on IOG I think the benefits will be somewhat less for us.
Hi - Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment on this video. Definitely agreed, and part of the reason I switched was their limited reduction in the off peak for Go in April. Plus, keeping one eye on Octobers prices a 12 month fix for both import and export is very welcome right now 👍🏽 If you’ve not already, please do like this video, stay tuned for some more content and thanks for taking the time to contribute to the discussion on this video 🙂
I think loyalty is important. Octopus continue to offer the highest number of tariffs. I’m on agile with fixed agile for export. Made £30 this week on a modest set up. I don’t see anything in your video that would make me move to Eon. Tonight I’m discharging at 15p. I will then film the battery at below 0p.
Hi - Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment on this video. Useful to know. I was in the same position and stayed with Octopus for 5 years. The savings won't be there for everyone or enough to make people switch and that was never the intention. Rather, it was to demonstrate that there are other options out there which is good and will hopefully mean prices stay competitive. If you’ve not already, please do like this video, stay tuned for some more content and thanks for taking the time to contribute to the discussion on this video 🙂
I’m so glad you did this whole process, you’ve cemented my thoughts that the small saving from switching might not be worth the massive hassle and loss of the excellent customer service I get from Octopus! Best of luck though and I look forward to seeing your next update on the actual cash savings you get. That switch process would have stressed me out loads though!
Hi - thanks for the comment. I'm not sure the savings is that small, especially if I chose to stay with E.On for some time and now that we've bought our first EV. I think October will be an interesting time to see what happens to the octopus rates. I'm safe in the knowledge knowing my rates are fixed for 12 months. The process wasn't actually that bad and the main thing was that my import was backdated. And export was paid by octopus up to the point I switched over export so I lost nothing. I don't disagree that octopus are a great company. However, the savings were too great to ignore. I certainly look forward to posting an update in a few months or so. Thanks again for stopping by 😊
I made the move from Octopus to EON recently. It took just 6 days to get switched onto the Drive V3 tarriff. I too have solar and batteries and have a 4 bed house so I stated the house was a 1/2 bed as I knew my bills would be low and therefore avoided the trap you fell into on overpaying in the early months. My DD is just £49 and I do not anticipate this increasing if consuming overnight charging for two EV's and battery top up on the off peak rate and then pushing SEG during the days.
Hi Nathan - Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment on this video. 6 days sounds ideal. That's a good tip when signing up to underestimate the usage. I put 4000 kWh in but there is no way to indicate those are largely all off peak. All is not lost, I am slowly reducing it down 😅 If you’ve not already, please do like this video, stay tuned for some more content and thanks for taking the time to contribute to the discussion on this video 🙂
Signed up with eon today after watching your video (and made sure I used your link!) Thank you for the advice and such a detailed video. It’s on the new drive 4 tariff but still seems a very good deal
Hi Paul - Glad you found it useful. Thanks for supporting the channel 🙏 Yup, given its a October price hike with other companies the new V4 rates are very welcome. New video out soon. I've not had a notification from E.On yet - are you able to email me (savemecashuk@gmail.com) your E.On import account number and I'll contact them to make sure it tracks 🙂
HI Shan, I used to be with EON before I got my battery. When I asked for an Economy 7 quote, I was told that my SMETS 2 meter was not up to the job and that I would need to have an Economy 7 meter installed at £138. In fact, I was told that they couldn't even quote me without the meter swap! Therefore I switched to Octopus who can communicate with a SMETS 2 meter for import and export. When my fixed tariff year is up, though I may have another look at EON. Good video!
Hi - Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment on this video. Thanks for sharing - that doesn't sound ideal! I can see why you switched away. I've a SMETS2 and there's been no issues with connection, so far. I'll aim to post a 6 month follow up video. If you’ve not already, please do like this video, stay tuned for some more content and thanks for taking the time to contribute to the discussion on this video 🙂
With that set up you should really consider getting a heat pump. When designed correctly (not with a flow temp higher than 45 degrees) you will have the last piece of the electric home triangle (solar, battery & HP) and see big savings.
Hi Scott, Definitely something I'll be looking at in the future - it's not a small outlay though - so I'll need to get saving. As you say it would work well in our set up. If you’ve not already, please do like this video, stay tuned for some more content and thanks for taking the time to contribute to the discussion on this video 🙂
I too am a long standing Octopus customer having been on nearly all of their tariffs, also from the Toon and I've had Evs since 2013. I've been on that FB E.On group since it started as I've just had my solar and batteries installed a few weeks ago. 16x Aiko 455w in two 8 DC arrays with the relatively new Sigenergy 6kW Inverter and 5+8kWh batteries. I also can't get the IOG tariff have no compatible car or home charge unit. I'm on Agile import and Outgoing fixed at 15p just accepted just 3 days ago on the 9th. Everything you mentioned about E.on was my concern also and decided that for now I like Octopus for its admin, app and monthly export account payments. I'm still going to keep looking at that ND tariff as it will definitely be better over the winter months at 6.9p import to charge the batteries and car. Liked and subscribed 👍🏻.
Hi Ian - Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment on this video. As I say in the video, the offerings from E.On won't be better for everyone. Certainly, running my numbers it'll work out better for us. It'll be interesting to see what happens to Octopus smart tariff rates come October 24. If you’ve not already, please do like this video, stay tuned for some more content and thanks for taking the time to contribute to the discussion on this video 🙂
Thank you for this, which seems to cut through the confusion. I'm in the process of investing in Solar and as we now spend Spring and Autumn in a warmer climate, I'll be looking closely at the best tariff to exploit this for the best return on investment although for me this is only one potential reason for doing so as Saving the Planet has featured more highly than ever to my surprise. Octopus Intelligent Flux with its advantage of a virtual 'Infinite Battery' looks increasingly tempting.
thanks for all your hard work on this, on your recommendation we changed from Octopus to Next drive and went live yesterday. However I expected to have the Tesla battery charged overnight at the cheap rate as I had enabled "Time based control" on the Tesla App but nope, it was at the 20% set aside for backup, any ideas? **Sorted, I just had to start again & setup a custom utility plan! Keep up the good work...
Hi - Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment on this video. Thank you for using the link and supporting the channel 🙏🏽. I don't seem to have received a email confirmation. It may be worth contacting them and checking it's all gone through ok. If you’ve not already, please do like this video, stay tuned for some more content and thanks for taking the time to contribute to the discussion on this video 🙂
With Octopus intelligent Go, rates for me now are 23.3p peak and 7p offpeak! Have just got the outgoing tariff at 15p so should pay for the annual standing charge. In my view unbeatable, if i were you i would change your charger to a zappi just to get the OIG, but also supetior for solar setups.. not sure if the ev type makes a difference.
Thanks for commenting on the video. As per the video, with E.On next drive I get 6.9p per kWh and 16.5p per kWh export and all without the need to get a compatible car/charger at considerable expense. If you’ve not already, please do like this video, stay tuned for some more content and thanks for taking the time to contribute to the discussion on this video 🙂
@@everythinghome those E.on rates are good, I wonder how long they will last tho? Time will tell. I like octopus because of their pioneering approach and many specific tariffs. Maybe they will uplift their rates in response, we shall see!
@MikeGleesonazelectrics absolutely, the other advantage over octopus is that these tariffs are fixed for 12 months. If the rates change for the worse after this I can always leave back to octopus or consider other options. Competition is certainly good, keeps everyone on their toes 😊
Interesting video, thanks for explaining the process. I am with IOG so interested see what the difference is. I don't use peak electricity at all with solar and 15kwh of battery. Newly installed heat pump, so keeping my eyes open for new energy tariffs.
Hi Derek - Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment on this video. Glad you found it useful. I suspect given you can access IOG your savings by switching to E.On won't be as attractive as mine. Furthermore, if you have a heat pump the cosy tariff may well be worth a look at for the winter. Nevertheless, I think it it useful to know what the competition are doing and run the numbers every so often to check you're getting the best deal. If you’ve not already, please do like this video, stay tuned for some more content and thanks for taking the time to contribute to the discussion on this video 🙂
I thought or a video Idea for you, How to read your Export meter, I have a smart meter, Its confusing, I screen says total export, 4492 another screen says applied export 200 or actual export, Many people are confused.
Hi Jonathan - Glad you found it useful. Thanks for supporting the channel 🙏 I've not had a notification from E.On yet - are you able to email me (savemecashuk@gmail.com) your E.On import account number and I'll contact them to make sure it tracks 🙂
Thanks for the video. Those rates look good, even against the Intelligent octopus go that I am on with 15p export. like you, I had not even looked at the competition because I have been very happy with the customer service and the tariffs. On top of this I am really impressed with their changing things up all the time, ie last week they started to run free electric sessions, and in fact there is another one tomorrow between 1-2pm. Any use of electric will be free (above what you would normally use during that time). they did the same on Friday. we managed to get one EV on our zappi at 7KW for the hour, and our second EV on the granny charger at 2KW. We set our house battery charging at 5KW, and then cooking, dishwasher and washing machine all running. We will find out in 7 days how we did and be credited into our account for the free energy. Last winter, they were doing saver sessions where you would get paid for the energy you did not use, or if you exported during the period. I am looking forward to doing those this year as the rates were crazy, something like £2 per KW saved or exported, as well as your normal export rate. I am curious, does eon do these sort of things as these will add up over a year and they help to truly engage the customers in energy arbitrage in helping balance the grid. cheers for the video. John
Hi John - Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment on this video. Glad you found it useful. Octopus do do some great things in and around the usual tariff rates. The saver sessions were excellent. I'm not entirely sure how E.Ons worked last year and is something I need to look into. If you’ve not already, please do like this video, stay tuned for some more content and thanks for taking the time to contribute to the discussion on this video 🙂
It would certainly be the simplest option. I wouldn't say I had lots of problems. Just didn't get onto the next drive tariff as quickly as I would have liked but it didn't matter in the end as they backdated it. The savings more than make up for that 👍🏽
Is the off peak rate only for EV charging or across whole home usage? On their website it says ‘Lower-priced electricity at 6.9p per kWh when you charge between 12am and 7am’
Hi - Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment on this video. The off peak covers all electricity consumption, so yes EV charging, battery charging and any household consumption. If you’ve not already, please do like this video, stay tuned for some more content and thanks for taking the time to contribute to the discussion on this video 🙂
Lol, Yeah, wish they would just read the Smart meter Export screen, Which they probably monitor anyway, Instead they wanted to get a NICEIE or NAPIT electrician and Building Control from local council. Cost unknown. Plus charge me 250 quid. So I never bother.
Yeah , Octopus, think will have to stick with them for agile. Hope eventually you can just switch Export now questions asked in future especially if you are ectsting export tariffs.
It’s a very specific comparison, especially the standing charges being so high and ultimately highlights why picking the right kit is important, a zappi charger ensures access to IOG and great rates.
I disagree - spending up to £1000 to have a specific charger installed just so I can access a tariff which could change its rates or T&Cs at any time doesn't make sense to me as I can achieve what I need to with a granny charger or our existing dumb fast charger. Of course, if you need a charger then as you say it makes sense to chose one that fits the bill
@@everythinghome Zappi 2 are approx £650 vs £350 for generic dumb chargers. Fitting I suspect is very similar cost for both. So £300 difference which opens up a lot more choices of intelligent tariffs and allows worry free car selection later on (with smart charger your cars don’t need to be supplier compatible) If you have dumb charger then you’re right it works, but locks you out of that 7p tariff for 6 hours. I feel that octopus have done far more to further lower bills than the legacy suppliers and they are just as capable of altering T&Cs. Jumping ship now for pence seems a little disingenuous. Plus the customer service is far superior to the legacy suppliers I’ve used before.
Thanks for the figures. I do agree in part with what you're saying about chargers. But it isn't pence, and come October 2024 Octopus will have increased the peak rate, standing charge and dropped the export rate of most of their smart tariffs. Octopus are a fantastic energy company, absolutely no doubting that, but after April's, July's and October's non-favourable electric tariff changes I've parted ways for now. Shan
I have been with Octopus for a year now, they still cannot get me a functioning smart meter, therefore I cannot access any of their tariffs designed for Solar panels,batteries and EVs. Despite many complaints I am still not being paid for the energy I input to the grid. Absolutely disgraceful Customer Service.
I was with Octopus for a few years with no issues. I then started to have issues with the smart meter. Because they could no longer get the half hour meter readings they billed me on a much more expensive tariff rather than the intelligent octopus go i had signed up for. It was a very bad experience. Customer services were not interested in helping.
@colinhill3149 Hi Colin - Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment on this video. Sorry to hear that. I do believe that is in their T&C's, but not great if it happens to you depending when you or they realise. Have you moved onto another energy provider? If you’ve not already, please do like this video, stay tuned for some more content and thanks for taking the time to contribute to the discussion on this video 🙂
Yes, they said it was in thier T&Cs... but it seems totally unreasonable. The meter has worked for about two years and so it was reasonable to expect that it would continue working. We are all being encouraged to move to EVs, solar, batteries ASHP etc, these are significant financial commitments and it relies on the energy providers sticking to the deal agreed. I've not moved yet but I'm considering tomato energy. It would be great if you did a video on thier tariffs.
@colinhill3149 Ah. I'm aware of tomato energy and their fantastic import rates. However, there is no export option and given how low their off peak rate and standing charge are I'm not sure how long they can sustain it given it's a variable tariff and can change at any time. One to keep an eye on though...
I was considering switching, but your experience has made me think twice - I am a high user as my household is fully EV and have just had an ASHP installed to replace an oil boiler - having to chase etc to get readings backdated just doesn’t sound worth it!
Hi - Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment on this video. I was probably more eager than the average customer to get it sorted. It wasn't too bad and they were quick responding to emails. At least I won't need to switch between tariffs every 6 months. We will see how it goes 👍🏽 If you’ve not already, please do like this video, stay tuned for some more content and thanks for taking the time to contribute to the discussion on this video 🙂
I moved to E.on next last week, so far so good. The only down side is the app not being very good, rates are per hour rather than 1/2 hour and the charts don't align very well. However it being a fixed tariff for import and export is rather good and the rates are nice 😊
Hi - Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment on this video. Completely agree - their app is not as good. To be fair I could do with not looking at an app so much! I'm quite looking forward to the set and forget nature of a single tariff for the whole year 😂 If you’ve not already, please do like this video, stay tuned for some more content and thanks for taking the time to contribute to the discussion on this video 🙂
I'm currently in the market and checking out different tariffs and suppliers. The biggest con is the standing charge. It should be the same across the board. Or simply tied into the rate. If you have a small battery any savings is wiped out by the standing charge and its almost impossible to get to net £0 .
Hi - Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment on this video. It is absolutely bonkers and being in the region with one of the highest (if not the highest) I understand your pain. If you’ve not already, please do like this video, stay tuned for some more content and thanks for taking the time to contribute to the discussion on this video
@@everythinghome Hi I've given a like 🙂. I have had a few quotes for solar and one was from Contact Solar an EDF partner and I was told that EDF are planning to bring in a solar plan with zero standing charge. The fact that we are all tied to the grid and the national grid is national it really should be the same standing charge in all areas, after all we all pay income tax at the same basic rate and I would say electricity is a necessity. The fact that different energy providers have different standing charges tells me it's not for grid up keep but just easy money 💰. I have narrowed down my preferred manufacturer to be sunsynk or fox. Fox has lower start up voltage and higher voltage batteries. Sunsynk has slightly cheaper quotes. I like the look of the givenergy all in one but the cost of the unit and the cost of future expansion doesn't make financial sence . I've only recently found you channel so hopefully I'll find a video on the different manufacturers.
That's great - I'll have to have a look at that when it comes out. It sounds like you're on the right path with weighing up all the options. All the best, Shan
While not really relevant to the main topic of video you might want to keep your thoughts open about gas tracker. The value of it has gone down and the July 2024 tariff is very close to standard rate. While it should stay cheaper than the cap over winter as expectation is priced in, any unexpected spike in gas prices could easily ruin your whole years savings. The risk vs reward just isn't there now with the equation getting worse with each update. So for now I have gone back to SVR for gas while I keep an eye out for deals or look for a new long term plan.
Thanks - always sensible to keep an eye on it. I've noticed it ticking up of late but not sat down and crunched the numbers yet. Although, from a glance and over the years I've been on it it's always worked out cheaper. Worth having a look again sometime soon, thanks for the comment 👍
@@everythinghome Yes in the past it has saved me lots of money too. They didn't change the formula for quite a while but now seems to be changing it to be much more profitable for them and worse value for customers. Like today the rate in my region is 5.05p (July 2024 tariff) so only a tiny bit less than SVR (5.34p). If there was an unexpected spike in say Jan when you would be likely using much more gas all those tiny savings could be gone within a month's bill. One advantage tracker still has is locking the daily standing charge for 12 months. I guess as they say all good things come to an end. 😟
@gavjlewis thanks. Yes, I've noticed the formula is less favourable. I'm still on December V1 2023 so it is better but the margin is closing. My tariff ends date is Feb 2025
Interesting video. I moved from Octopus GO to Intelligent Octopus Go some time ago . I assume you cant do this as your car or charger aren't compatible. My tariff is 22.78p for peak and 7p for off peak (6 hour period) with an export figure of 15p. That means I can charge my battery at 7p per kwh and export it at 15p. The standing charge is 53.94p. (all incl VAT). If you were able to access this tariff would it affect your decision?
Yes, that's exactly it. I can't access that tariff. However, whether it would work out financially better for me I'd need to run the numbers. The other thing to consider is that the octopus rates can change at anytime, whereas the eon ones are fixed for 12 months 👍🏽
@@everythinghome Hi. I have run the numbers on my data for past year (1st Aug 23 to 31st July 24) using the EON tariff (and including the additional 1 hr off peak period ie 7 hours not 6) compared to my current tariff. I get an annual total cost of electricity of -£131.65 on IOG compared to -£148.59 on the EON tariff (nb costs are both negative ie savings). For simplicity I have applied the current tariff to the whole year as I dont know the tariff changes for EON over past 12 months! So this tells me if I was on EON I would have saved an additional £17 over the year. HOWEVER these are just energy costs. If I then additionally incorporate Standing Charge as well then my TOTAL annual cost was £65.23 on IOG compared to £111.29 on the EON tariff ie £46 more cost if I was on EON. Obviously I cant take into account what will happen in October particularly as the IOG tariff will inevitably increase whereas EON tariff is fixed
I would definitely jump for a 1 Yr fix at those prices... But there is no way I will ever go through doing all those forms again for export. We got our system in lockdown and have little paperwork. after 2 months or so we managed to satisfy Octopus but I imagine it would be a total pain to try and move company again.
Hi - Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment on this video. The export sign-up to be fair was the easiest bit for me. All online and just happened. I already had all the necessary documents from when I submitted it to octopus whenever I switched export tariff. If you’ve not already, please do like this video, stay tuned for some more content and thanks for taking the time to contribute to the discussion on this video 🙂
Almost exactly my experience too, going from Octopus to EON. You are unusual (if not unique) in the current UA-cam content creators and I appreciate the tariff comparisons between suppliers rather than just within the Octopus tariff portfolio. Like you, I will look forward to going back to Octopus for their customer service and the app. EON take note... But I can't ignore the significant savings which are fixed for 12 months with the EON SEG payments at 16.5p/kWh and the 7-hour off-peak.
Hi Michael - Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment on this video with your kind words. Thanks for the insight, glad to know I'm in good company. I think other companies have little choice but to try and emulate what Octopus have done, otherwise they will have have largely fallen behind in this race. It should hopefully see the return of some fantastic opportunities for customers who are prepared to seek them out 👍🏽 If you’ve not already, please do like this video, stay tuned for some more content and thanks for taking the time to contribute to the discussion on this video 🙂
@Joe-lb8qn for us it means we can charge our EV off peak from our 3KW charger and not need to fork out for a faster and more expensive charger. Also, the times are more accessible so we can run other appliances or electric showers in this time 👍🏽
I am very reluctant to move from octopus 🐙 but i am a battery solar only preson so this is a great chance to inport at much cheeper rate am on flux at the moment keep up the intresting work
Hi James - Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment on this video. Glad you found it useful. I too was reluctant, till I looked at the Next Drive tariff in more detail and ran the numbers. I'll aim to post a 6 month review video so watch this space. 🙂
Good video it's good to see a bit of competition. Can I be bothered to switch from my Intelligent Octopus Go tariff no I'm paying so little anyway it hardly seems worth it
Hi Terry - Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment on this video. Glad you found it useful. I'd agree if you're able to get in the intelligent octopus go option then that is good. It will be interesting to see what happens to rates come October though when prices are said be increasing. If you’ve not already, please do like this video, stay tuned for some more content and thanks for taking the time to contribute to the discussion on this video 🙂
I'm currently (no pun intended) running at 99% off peak (car and house) and I see that continuing for most of the year. So the only variables for someone like me (battery EV solar) are off peak rate and standing charge (since not much diff between 15p and 16.5p export rates) since an extra few hours at night make no difference. I think I'm more of a usual example than you having a very slow charger and the length of the off peak being important. I can add 150 miles in 6 hours so almost never need more than that (in fact I can say never in 4 years) and you can use devices like washing machines in parallel with an ev charge. I know EV Nick has explained how to game intelligent octopus to get more than the 6 hours and I've occasionally got that but there's a limit to what you can do for more than 6 hours of cheap electric anyway most batteries will be full in 4 hours or so Would you have a different answer if you had a faster charger? I would find that a serious inconvenience as I'd be plugging in most nights
Honestly put off by the poor switching service you experienced and the annual / quarterly export payments. I really like that octopus to take it off my bill monthly without any effort on my part. Eon close but not close enough for me.
Thanks for sharing Robert. I agree monthly would be better. However, the savings to be had over the year for us it is definitely worth exploring. I'm planning to do a 6 month review video 👍🏽 If you’ve not already, please do like this video, stay tuned for some more content and thanks for taking the time to contribute to the discussion on this video 🙂
@@everythinghome I’ll be interested in your 6 month review. I need to run the numbers properly but I’m not sure the savings will be as great for me. I’m on IOG & exporting at the 15p rate. Definitely keeping my powder dry for now. That said I’ve been an eon customer before and I’m absolutely not opposed to going back. The slightly higher export rate & longer cheap rate period are attractive.
You shouldn't have to keep swapping tariffs during the year. Just use your electricity as you want and the company should bill you using whichever tariff works out cheaper.
@@everythinghome Competition could drive it. It's not my idea. Many years ago I was in Australia and rented cars occasionally. There seemed to be two different systems for billing, I forget what they were but the last time I rented and asked what system they used, the reply was, just use the car and we'll bill you using whichever works out cheapest
Weird off topic comment, but love what you've done with tablet on wall. How did you go about that wall mount / screen on / powering etc? It looks tidy on there!
No at all Steve. I used an old Amazon fire tablet. I made a video of installing apps onto it. For the display it uses the fully kiosk app which gives it the motion and audio detection to turn on the display ua-cam.com/video/MTApiF7mPEU/v-deo.html Hope that helps Shan
@@everythinghome Hi Shan, I am so tempted to switch. It seems compared to Octopus, I can have any charger and car combo and get this tariff? Whereas Octopus don't currently recognise my Givenergy charge point with a Polestar 4 car which is already on order.... that means I can only have Octopus Go at 5 hours instead of EONS 7 hours when I get the car. Also my export go's down to 8p with Octopush I believe whereas Eon is at 16.5p?! I have a 20kwh battery system (big electric users) and the car to come so the 7 hours and keeping a decent export rate for summer as we have 19 panels too which do circa 900-1100kwh's a month would be good. If I switch happy to use your referral code to help you and channel as you've been super helpful even in comments so far. My only hesitation is Octopus is sooo much better on payments for export plus app etc and EON were awful when I left them last year, messed up all the basics including kept billing me made up bills for over a year since leaving!
@steveelvin823 The Eon import and export tariffs are certainly appealing if you can't access the intelligent octopus options. Thanks Steve, that's very kind. I would make sure you're happy that the savings are enough for you to tolerate any anxiety that switching may bring. Let me know how you get on, all the best, Shan
All this work to save £16.67 p/m or about £0.59p p/d... The amount of hassle & effort to compare smart tariffs is ridiculous. Alas, we can't get a smart tariff anyhow as the "smart" meter Octopus installed is dumb as it can't communicate with the network. So after a couple of months trying to sort it out I've given up and now moved to a fixed rate tariff for the forseeable future.
Hi - Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment on this video. Yup, but looking at the numbers allows me find the best tariff available. It all adds up, especially if I stay with E.On for a few years. 😊
we can debate which company is best but the great thing is you have two suppliers who you have the choice on best to suit your own circumstances. For me Octopus agile is the best for my personal usage but I hope Labour as the new govt can get rid of the gas price lock in which will make a big difference.
Thanks for sharing, absolutely I agree it depends on each individual. The nice thing at the moment is that there appears to be some competition emerging 👍🏽
@@everythinghome and because octopus are now number one in the UK the others have to compete and provide the agile .. however they don’t generate enough green ? Or have the deals octopus have
Hi - Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment on this video. That sounds good. When I emailed them about my DD they suggested they couldn't change it until they had some usage data from me. Definitely a plan moving forwards though 👍 If you’ve not already, please do like this video, stay tuned for some more content and thanks for taking the time to contribute to the discussion on this video 🙂
I think company ethos and customer service are really important. I would never change away from Octopus to another supplier just because I could save a penny on the import rate, unless they were as good and innovative as Octopus in those areas. I just don’t believe that the others are.
Thanks for commenting. I agree, octopus have been fab. However, it's more than just a few pennies. And part of the reason we bought our first EV was the E.On next drive tariff made this a more financially viable option for us. I've never been with E.On so I'm happy to see what happens...I'll aim to do an update video in 6 months or so. If you’ve not already, please do like this video, stay tuned for some more content and thanks for taking the time to contribute to the discussion on this video 🙂
Can I ask how will you deal with Saving Sessions. I'm on the Eon Next Drive V3 tarrif and have export with them also. I can't see how I can save energy unless the export is taken into account like last year. Octopus deducted the export from import and using forced export ensured a saving. I dont think Eon can make this calculation. Any ideas (I'm not a give energy customer)
Hi Joy - Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment on this video. The saving sessions are a Octopus Energy led. However, the wider scheme is the Demand Flexibility Service (DFS) - I haven't explored how this will work with E.On yet to be honest. But undoubtedly I will do. If you’ve not already, please do like this video, stay tuned for some more content and thanks for taking the time to contribute to the discussion on this video 🙂
Eon next pay annually for solar, 16p per kWh when signed up. They said that part is old fashioned where they take a manual reading and photo for export. Import is like octopus using same software, bills are a little sparidic on eon next drive 3 normally monthly, but it is a great tariff, I was on octopus go, but now our bills are much cheaper. The saving sessions with eon next are deducted from the monthly bill.
I've swapped to eon for both import and export. My question is... will eon use my export figure against my import figure to calculate a usage saving during the dfs events. Like octopus do? @Pete-rf6zz
@@joymarie4443 they pay it annually or upon request, but I have not been with them for a year. I can ask them, but would imagine they pay by cheque or deduct from one of your accounts. Tell you what I might ask to pay mine now and see if they send a cheque.
It seems your situation is similar to mine. I was with Octopus for a few years but found their offerings for my circumstances got worse and worse. Also I found Octopus contact to be very poor, long long waits in the phone and abysmal email response times. I have friends with Octopus who report the same thing too. Eon however have been brilliant to deal with, quick response times and friendly staff. And a much better tariff than Go. 😊
I have exactly the opposite experience. Fast, friendly and helpful support that have been an absolute delight to work with! Replies within 24 hours and response to help also within 24 hours. I can't fault them!
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Also devices use the switch immersion, substandard. Equipment installed on compatible material. Accessibility of CU for the disabled. Sorry to be nitpicky. Love your vlogs 👍
I’ll still stick with octopus as my export is paid by the government FIT payment also Octopus is far and away the most honest company, for mr service is also very important.
Hi - Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment on this video. We also have a FIT payment with EDF - I gave up my FIT deemed export payment to be paid for my actual export which is working out to be more fruitful for us as we have a 2nd non FIT benefitting array. I love Octopus too, but the savings to be had from E.On we're too hard to ignore. If you’ve not already, please do like this video, stay tuned for some more content and thanks for taking the time to contribute to the discussion on this video 🙂
Hi Susanna, Octopus are great - I'll always be a fan 🐙. But the savings to be had from E.On we're too hard to ignore. Saving £200-300 each year will soon add up. If you’ve not already, please do like this video, stay tuned for some more content and thanks for taking the time to contribute to the discussion on this video 🙂
It's all cumulative. The savings as re more than buttons and it'll be interesting to see what octopus do with their rates in the coming few months. No doubt they are an excellent company, but as a consumer I need to make sure I'm getting the best deal
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I must admit my experience of EON customer service is extremely mixed and mostly negative tbh; you really have to persevere to find someone there that is willing and able to do the simpliest of things. Also their insistence on fixed DD payments at ridiculously high levels is crazy even with evidence of actual usage from regular meter readings; hopefully that will eventually change in time following the installation of a Smart Meter in May.
Thanks for sharing John - my experience has been largely positive so far thankfully. I'm sure there are some Octopus customers who have had poor experiences. The savings were worth taking the risk. I'm sure if it al hits the fan I'll let you all know 😅
While quite interested, please just cut to the chase, got a few minutes in, and lost the will to live. I'm sure it's fascinating but why not do a 1 minute summary ?
Why are you ignoring intelligent GO? at 7p per pkh for 6 hours off peak? By far the best rate. Add that to 15p Outgoing rate they pay you and its a no brainer.
I find it discriminatory that Octopus only offer Intelligent Octopus to EV drivers - I can’t drive so I can’t get the rates they can to power their house - total discrimination
Can I have your email address that is associated with Eon please? They aren't able to pay the referral to you or me as the email address here isn't the one they hold and the referral link aren't enough, apparently.
If a number of people move from Octopus to Eon then I expect Octopus will review their rates accordingly. Thanks for being a pioneer.
I've been watching some comments on line of people moving from Octopus and thinking just that. Octopus are a company that won't want to be left behind and I'd expect some interesting tariff tweaking in the next couple of months.
Till then I better have another go at the spreadsheet although on IOG I think the benefits will be somewhat less for us.
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Definitely agreed, and part of the reason I switched was their limited reduction in the off peak for Go in April. Plus, keeping one eye on Octobers prices a 12 month fix for both import and export is very welcome right now 👍🏽
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Is it possible to receive FIT and generation payments as well as Export payments from Energy companies?
@@edwardwilcox8982 Yes you should be able to opt out of any export element of the FiT and keep the generation element.
Yes, I did a video on this exact question and whether it is worth it
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I think loyalty is important. Octopus continue to offer the highest number of tariffs. I’m on agile with fixed agile for export. Made £30 this week on a modest set up. I don’t see anything in your video that would make me move to Eon. Tonight I’m discharging at 15p. I will then film the battery at below 0p.
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Useful to know. I was in the same position and stayed with Octopus for 5 years. The savings won't be there for everyone or enough to make people switch and that was never the intention. Rather, it was to demonstrate that there are other options out there which is good and will hopefully mean prices stay competitive.
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I’m so glad you did this whole process, you’ve cemented my thoughts that the small saving from switching might not be worth the massive hassle and loss of the excellent customer service I get from Octopus! Best of luck though and I look forward to seeing your next update on the actual cash savings you get. That switch process would have stressed me out loads though!
Hi - thanks for the comment. I'm not sure the savings is that small, especially if I chose to stay with E.On for some time and now that we've bought our first EV. I think October will be an interesting time to see what happens to the octopus rates. I'm safe in the knowledge knowing my rates are fixed for 12 months.
The process wasn't actually that bad and the main thing was that my import was backdated. And export was paid by octopus up to the point I switched over export so I lost nothing. I don't disagree that octopus are a great company. However, the savings were too great to ignore. I certainly look forward to posting an update in a few months or so.
Thanks again for stopping by 😊
@@everythinghome I'll keep an open mind :) Looking forward to the update!
Yep I am of the same opinion....
I made the move from Octopus to EON recently. It took just 6 days to get switched onto the Drive V3 tarriff. I too have solar and batteries and have a 4 bed house so I stated the house was a 1/2 bed as I knew my bills would be low and therefore avoided the trap you fell into on overpaying in the early months. My DD is just £49 and I do not anticipate this increasing if consuming overnight charging for two EV's and battery top up on the off peak rate and then pushing SEG during the days.
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6 days sounds ideal. That's a good tip when signing up to underestimate the usage. I put 4000 kWh in but there is no way to indicate those are largely all off peak. All is not lost, I am slowly reducing it down 😅
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Signed up with eon today after watching your video (and made sure I used your link!) Thank you for the advice and such a detailed video. It’s on the new drive 4 tariff but still seems a very good deal
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Yup, given its a October price hike with other companies the new V4 rates are very welcome. New video out soon.
I've not had a notification from E.On yet - are you able to email me (savemecashuk@gmail.com) your E.On import account number and I'll contact them to make sure it tracks 🙂
HI Shan, I used to be with EON before I got my battery. When I asked for an Economy 7 quote, I was told that my SMETS 2 meter was not up to the job and that I would need to have an Economy 7 meter installed at £138. In fact, I was told that they couldn't even quote me without the meter swap! Therefore I switched to Octopus who can communicate with a SMETS 2 meter for import and export. When my fixed tariff year is up, though I may have another look at EON. Good video!
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Thanks for sharing - that doesn't sound ideal! I can see why you switched away. I've a SMETS2 and there's been no issues with connection, so far. I'll aim to post a 6 month follow up video.
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With that set up you should really consider getting a heat pump. When designed correctly (not with a flow temp higher than 45 degrees) you will have the last piece of the electric home triangle (solar, battery & HP) and see big savings.
Hi Scott,
Definitely something I'll be looking at in the future - it's not a small outlay though - so I'll need to get saving. As you say it would work well in our set up.
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No it’s not cheap, but with the £7500 off through the BUS Scheme, it may be cheaper than you think ;)
I too am a long standing Octopus customer having been on nearly all of their tariffs, also from the Toon and I've had Evs since 2013.
I've been on that FB E.On group since it started as I've just had my solar and batteries installed a few weeks ago. 16x Aiko 455w in two 8 DC arrays with the relatively new Sigenergy 6kW Inverter and 5+8kWh batteries.
I also can't get the IOG tariff have no compatible car or home charge unit.
I'm on Agile import and Outgoing fixed at 15p just accepted just 3 days ago on the 9th.
Everything you mentioned about E.on was my concern also and decided that for now I like Octopus for its admin, app and monthly export account payments. I'm still going to keep looking at that ND tariff as it will definitely be better over the winter months at 6.9p import to charge the batteries and car. Liked and subscribed 👍🏻.
Thanks Colin, it's definitely going to be interesting to see what happens with these tariffs come October and beyond. ⚫⚪
I am still with Octopus and IOF tariff and my export rate is 27.87/kWh 1600-1900hrs and 20.9p/kWh 1900 - 1600hrs, seems a much better rate than E-On.
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As I say in the video, the offerings from E.On won't be better for everyone. Certainly, running my numbers it'll work out better for us. It'll be interesting to see what happens to Octopus smart tariff rates come October 24.
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@@ianjones6849 for anyone with solar/battery or a non recognised ev car/charger this Eon tarrif is great. If your eligible for IOG then not so much.
Thank you for this, which seems to cut through the confusion.
I'm in the process of investing in Solar and as we now spend Spring and Autumn in a warmer climate, I'll be looking closely at the best tariff to exploit this for the best return on investment although for me this is only one potential reason for doing so as Saving the Planet has featured more highly than ever to my surprise. Octopus Intelligent Flux with its advantage of a virtual 'Infinite Battery' looks increasingly tempting.
Eon are awful, don’t switch it takes months to get onto your chosen tariff, just don’t do it they are terrible.
In your experience, but in my experience they have been very good 😊
2 days it took me to get on to eon next Drive I am just waiting for my export tariff to be set up
thanks for all your hard work on this, on your recommendation we changed from Octopus to Next drive and went live yesterday. However I expected to have the Tesla battery charged overnight at the cheap rate as I had enabled "Time based control" on the Tesla App but nope, it was at the 20% set aside for backup, any ideas?
**Sorted, I just had to start again & setup a custom utility plan!
Keep up the good work...
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Just switched using your referral link 😊. I’m going with Eon next drive and staying with octopus gas tracker and octopus outgoing fixed for now
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Thank you for using the link and supporting the channel 🙏🏽. I don't seem to have received a email confirmation. It may be worth contacting them and checking it's all gone through ok.
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With Octopus intelligent Go, rates for me now are 23.3p peak and 7p offpeak! Have just got the outgoing tariff at 15p so should pay for the annual standing charge. In my view unbeatable, if i were you i would change your charger to a zappi just to get the OIG, but also supetior for solar setups.. not sure if the ev type makes a difference.
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As per the video, with E.On next drive I get 6.9p per kWh and 16.5p per kWh export and all without the need to get a compatible car/charger at considerable expense.
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@@everythinghome those E.on rates are good, I wonder how long they will last tho? Time will tell. I like octopus because of their pioneering approach and many specific tariffs. Maybe they will uplift their rates in response, we shall see!
@MikeGleesonazelectrics absolutely, the other advantage over octopus is that these tariffs are fixed for 12 months. If the rates change for the worse after this I can always leave back to octopus or consider other options. Competition is certainly good, keeps everyone on their toes 😊
Interesting video, thanks for explaining the process. I am with IOG so interested see what the difference is. I don't use peak electricity at all with solar and 15kwh of battery. Newly installed heat pump, so keeping my eyes open for new energy tariffs.
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I suspect given you can access IOG your savings by switching to E.On won't be as attractive as mine. Furthermore, if you have a heat pump the cosy tariff may well be worth a look at for the winter. Nevertheless, I think it it useful to know what the competition are doing and run the numbers every so often to check you're getting the best deal.
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To get the 16.5p export tarrif don't you have to have eon supply and fit your panels?
No, their website has the details
www.eonnext.com/electricity-and-gas/smart-export-guarantee
I thought or a video Idea for you, How to read your Export meter, I have a smart meter, Its confusing, I screen says total export, 4492 another screen says applied export 200 or actual export, Many people are confused.
Thanks, might be one to look at 👍🏽
Since , I get paid zero for export, Not really worth me switching.
Great video, I have used your referral code to switch from octopus. Cheers.
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I've not had a notification from E.On yet - are you able to email me (savemecashuk@gmail.com) your E.On import account number and I'll contact them to make sure it tracks 🙂
Thanks for the video. Those rates look good, even against the Intelligent octopus go that I am on with 15p export. like you, I had not even looked at the competition because I have been very happy with the customer service and the tariffs. On top of this I am really impressed with their changing things up all the time, ie last week they started to run free electric sessions, and in fact there is another one tomorrow between 1-2pm. Any use of electric will be free (above what you would normally use during that time). they did the same on Friday. we managed to get one EV on our zappi at 7KW for the hour, and our second EV on the granny charger at 2KW. We set our house battery charging at 5KW, and then cooking, dishwasher and washing machine all running. We will find out in 7 days how we did and be credited into our account for the free energy. Last winter, they were doing saver sessions where you would get paid for the energy you did not use, or if you exported during the period. I am looking forward to doing those this year as the rates were crazy, something like £2 per KW saved or exported, as well as your normal export rate.
I am curious, does eon do these sort of things as these will add up over a year and they help to truly engage the customers in energy arbitrage in helping balance the grid. cheers for the video. John
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Octopus do do some great things in and around the usual tariff rates. The saver sessions were excellent.
I'm not entirely sure how E.Ons worked last year and is something I need to look into.
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Thank you for showing there are options. Given all the problems you had think I will stick with Octopus.
It would certainly be the simplest option. I wouldn't say I had lots of problems. Just didn't get onto the next drive tariff as quickly as I would have liked but it didn't matter in the end as they backdated it.
The savings more than make up for that 👍🏽
Is the off peak rate only for EV charging or across whole home usage? On their website it says ‘Lower-priced electricity at 6.9p per kWh when you charge between 12am and 7am’
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The off peak covers all electricity consumption, so yes EV charging, battery charging and any household consumption.
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Lol, Yeah, wish they would just read the Smart meter Export screen, Which they probably monitor anyway, Instead they wanted to get a NICEIE or NAPIT electrician and Building Control from local council. Cost unknown. Plus charge me 250 quid. So I never bother.
Is this Octopus or Eon you are referring to, just so I know what to expect?
Yeah , Octopus, think will have to stick with them for agile. Hope eventually you can just switch Export now questions asked in future especially if you are ectsting export tariffs.
It’s a very specific comparison, especially the standing charges being so high and ultimately highlights why picking the right kit is important, a zappi charger ensures access to IOG and great rates.
I disagree - spending up to £1000 to have a specific charger installed just so I can access a tariff which could change its rates or T&Cs at any time doesn't make sense to me as I can achieve what I need to with a granny charger or our existing dumb fast charger. Of course, if you need a charger then as you say it makes sense to chose one that fits the bill
@@everythinghome Zappi 2 are approx £650 vs £350 for generic dumb chargers. Fitting I suspect is very similar cost for both. So £300 difference which opens up a lot more choices of intelligent tariffs and allows worry free car selection later on (with smart charger your cars don’t need to be supplier compatible)
If you have dumb charger then you’re right it works, but locks you out of that 7p tariff for 6 hours.
I feel that octopus have done far more to further lower bills than the legacy suppliers and they are just as capable of altering T&Cs. Jumping ship now for pence seems a little disingenuous. Plus the customer service is far superior to the legacy suppliers I’ve used before.
Thanks for the figures. I do agree in part with what you're saying about chargers. But it isn't pence, and come October 2024 Octopus will have increased the peak rate, standing charge and dropped the export rate of most of their smart tariffs. Octopus are a fantastic energy company, absolutely no doubting that, but after April's, July's and October's non-favourable electric tariff changes I've parted ways for now. Shan
I have been with Octopus for a year now, they still cannot get me a functioning smart meter, therefore I cannot access any of their tariffs designed for Solar panels,batteries and EVs. Despite many complaints I am still not being paid for the energy I input to the grid. Absolutely disgraceful Customer Service.
Ah no, sorry to hear that. Is it a supplier issue or something else? If it's supplier related you could try a different one 😉
I was with Octopus for a few years with no issues. I then started to have issues with the smart meter. Because they could no longer get the half hour meter readings they billed me on a much more expensive tariff rather than the intelligent octopus go i had signed up for. It was a very bad experience. Customer services were not interested in helping.
@colinhill3149
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Sorry to hear that. I do believe that is in their T&C's, but not great if it happens to you depending when you or they realise. Have you moved onto another energy provider?
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Yes, they said it was in thier T&Cs... but it seems totally unreasonable. The meter has worked for about two years and so it was reasonable to expect that it would continue working. We are all being encouraged to move to EVs, solar, batteries ASHP etc, these are significant financial commitments and it relies on the energy providers sticking to the deal agreed. I've not moved yet but I'm considering tomato energy. It would be great if you did a video on thier tariffs.
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Ah. I'm aware of tomato energy and their fantastic import rates. However, there is no export option and given how low their off peak rate and standing charge are I'm not sure how long they can sustain it given it's a variable tariff and can change at any time. One to keep an eye on though...
I was considering switching, but your experience has made me think twice - I am a high user as my household is fully EV and have just had an ASHP installed to replace an oil boiler - having to chase etc to get readings backdated just doesn’t sound worth it!
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I was probably more eager than the average customer to get it sorted. It wasn't too bad and they were quick responding to emails. At least I won't need to switch between tariffs every 6 months. We will see how it goes 👍🏽
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I moved to E.on next last week, so far so good. The only down side is the app not being very good, rates are per hour rather than 1/2 hour and the charts don't align very well. However it being a fixed tariff for import and export is rather good and the rates are nice 😊
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Completely agree - their app is not as good. To be fair I could do with not looking at an app so much! I'm quite looking forward to the set and forget nature of a single tariff for the whole year 😂
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I'm currently in the market and checking out different tariffs and suppliers.
The biggest con is the standing charge.
It should be the same across the board. Or simply tied into the rate.
If you have a small battery any savings is wiped out by the standing charge and its almost impossible to get to net £0 .
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It is absolutely bonkers and being in the region with one of the highest (if not the highest) I understand your pain.
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@@everythinghome Hi I've given a like 🙂.
I have had a few quotes for solar and one was from Contact Solar an EDF partner and I was told that EDF are planning to bring in a solar plan with zero standing charge.
The fact that we are all tied to the grid and the national grid is national it really should be the same standing charge in all areas, after all we all pay income tax at the same basic rate and I would say electricity is a necessity.
The fact that different energy providers have different standing charges tells me it's not for grid up keep but just easy money 💰.
I have narrowed down my preferred manufacturer to be sunsynk or fox. Fox has lower start up voltage and higher voltage batteries. Sunsynk has slightly cheaper quotes.
I like the look of the givenergy all in one but the cost of the unit and the cost of future expansion doesn't make financial sence .
I've only recently found you channel so hopefully I'll find a video on the different manufacturers.
That's great - I'll have to have a look at that when it comes out.
It sounds like you're on the right path with weighing up all the options. All the best, Shan
While not really relevant to the main topic of video you might want to keep your thoughts open about gas tracker.
The value of it has gone down and the July 2024 tariff is very close to standard rate. While it should stay cheaper than the cap over winter as expectation is priced in, any unexpected spike in gas prices could easily ruin your whole years savings. The risk vs reward just isn't there now with the equation getting worse with each update. So for now I have gone back to SVR for gas while I keep an eye out for deals or look for a new long term plan.
Thanks - always sensible to keep an eye on it. I've noticed it ticking up of late but not sat down and crunched the numbers yet. Although, from a glance and over the years I've been on it it's always worked out cheaper. Worth having a look again sometime soon, thanks for the comment 👍
@@everythinghome Yes in the past it has saved me lots of money too. They didn't change the formula for quite a while but now seems to be changing it to be much more profitable for them and worse value for customers. Like today the rate in my region is 5.05p (July 2024 tariff) so only a tiny bit less than SVR (5.34p). If there was an unexpected spike in say Jan when you would be likely using much more gas all those tiny savings could be gone within a month's bill.
One advantage tracker still has is locking the daily standing charge for 12 months.
I guess as they say all good things come to an end. 😟
@gavjlewis thanks. Yes, I've noticed the formula is less favourable. I'm still on December V1 2023 so it is better but the margin is closing. My tariff ends date is Feb 2025
Interesting video. I moved from Octopus GO to Intelligent Octopus Go some time ago . I assume you cant do this as your car or charger aren't compatible. My tariff is 22.78p for peak and 7p for off peak (6 hour period) with an export figure of 15p. That means I can charge my battery at 7p per kwh and export it at 15p. The standing charge is 53.94p. (all incl VAT). If you were able to access this tariff would it affect your decision?
Yes, that's exactly it. I can't access that tariff. However, whether it would work out financially better for me I'd need to run the numbers. The other thing to consider is that the octopus rates can change at anytime, whereas the eon ones are fixed for 12 months 👍🏽
@@everythinghome Hi. I have run the numbers on my data for past year (1st Aug 23 to 31st July 24) using the EON tariff (and including the additional 1 hr off peak period ie 7 hours not 6) compared to my current tariff. I get an annual total cost of electricity of -£131.65 on IOG compared to -£148.59 on the EON tariff (nb costs are both negative ie savings). For simplicity I have applied the current tariff to the whole year as I dont know the tariff changes for EON over past 12 months! So this tells me if I was on EON I would have saved an additional £17 over the year. HOWEVER these are just energy costs. If I then additionally incorporate Standing Charge as well then my TOTAL annual cost was £65.23 on IOG compared to £111.29 on the EON tariff ie £46 more cost if I was on EON. Obviously I cant take into account what will happen in October particularly as the IOG tariff will inevitably increase whereas EON tariff is fixed
I would definitely jump for a 1 Yr fix at those prices... But there is no way I will ever go through doing all those forms again for export. We got our system in lockdown and have little paperwork. after 2 months or so we managed to satisfy Octopus but I imagine it would be a total pain to try and move company again.
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The export sign-up to be fair was the easiest bit for me. All online and just happened. I already had all the necessary documents from when I submitted it to octopus whenever I switched export tariff.
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Almost exactly my experience too, going from Octopus to EON.
You are unusual (if not unique) in the current UA-cam content creators and I appreciate the tariff comparisons between suppliers rather than just within the Octopus tariff portfolio. Like you, I will look forward to going back to Octopus for their customer service and the app. EON take note... But I can't ignore the significant savings which are fixed for 12 months with the EON SEG payments at 16.5p/kWh and the 7-hour off-peak.
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Thanks for the insight, glad to know I'm in good company. I think other companies have little choice but to try and emulate what Octopus have done, otherwise they will have have largely fallen behind in this race. It should hopefully see the return of some fantastic opportunities for customers who are prepared to seek them out 👍🏽
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What's the benefit of 7 hours off peak compared to 5 or 6? Serious question.
@Joe-lb8qn for us it means we can charge our EV off peak from our 3KW charger and not need to fork out for a faster and more expensive charger. Also, the times are more accessible so we can run other appliances or electric showers in this time 👍🏽
I am very reluctant to move from octopus 🐙 but i am a battery solar only preson so this is a great chance to inport at much cheeper rate am on flux at the moment keep up the intresting work
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I too was reluctant, till I looked at the Next Drive tariff in more detail and ran the numbers. I'll aim to post a 6 month review video so watch this space. 🙂
Good video it's good to see a bit of competition. Can I be bothered to switch from my Intelligent Octopus Go tariff no I'm paying so little anyway it hardly seems worth it
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I'd agree if you're able to get in the intelligent octopus go option then that is good. It will be interesting to see what happens to rates come October though when prices are said be increasing.
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I'm currently (no pun intended) running at 99% off peak (car and house) and I see that continuing for most of the year. So the only variables for someone like me (battery EV solar) are off peak rate and standing charge (since not much diff between 15p and 16.5p export rates) since an extra few hours at night make no difference. I think I'm more of a usual example than you having a very slow charger and the length of the off peak being important. I can add 150 miles in 6 hours so almost never need more than that (in fact I can say never in 4 years) and you can use devices like washing machines in parallel with an ev charge.
I know EV Nick has explained how to game intelligent octopus to get more than the 6 hours and I've occasionally got that but there's a limit to what you can do for more than 6 hours of cheap electric anyway most batteries will be full in 4 hours or so
Would you have a different answer if you had a faster charger? I would find that a serious inconvenience as I'd be plugging in most nights
I've been with E-On for a number of years - I don't have Solar, battery or a EV but I still find it cheaper than any other.
Honestly put off by the poor switching service you experienced and the annual / quarterly export payments. I really like that octopus to take it off my bill monthly without any effort on my part. Eon close but not close enough for me.
Thanks for sharing Robert. I agree monthly would be better. However, the savings to be had over the year for us it is definitely worth exploring. I'm planning to do a 6 month review video 👍🏽
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@@everythinghome I’ll be interested in your 6 month review. I need to run the numbers properly but I’m not sure the savings will be as great for me. I’m on IOG & exporting at the 15p rate. Definitely keeping my powder dry for now. That said I’ve been an eon customer before and I’m absolutely not opposed to going back. The slightly higher export rate & longer cheap rate period are attractive.
You shouldn't have to keep swapping tariffs during the year. Just use your electricity as you want and the company should bill you using whichever tariff works out cheaper.
Interesting concept - not sure how viable that would be for them though
@@everythinghome Competition could drive it. It's not my idea. Many years ago I was in Australia and rented cars occasionally. There seemed to be two different systems for billing, I forget what they were but the last time I rented and asked what system they used, the reply was, just use the car and we'll bill you using whichever works out cheapest
Weird off topic comment, but love what you've done with tablet on wall. How did you go about that wall mount / screen on / powering etc? It looks tidy on there!
No at all Steve. I used an old Amazon fire tablet. I made a video of installing apps onto it. For the display it uses the fully kiosk app which gives it the motion and audio detection to turn on the display
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Hope that helps
Shan
@@everythinghome Ahh thanks Shan! Awesome. Love the vids, debating what to do re Octopus myself now too!
@steveelvin823 thanks for the kind words. Definitely worth keeping an eye on the options at the moment. All the best, Shan
@@everythinghome Hi Shan, I am so tempted to switch. It seems compared to Octopus, I can have any charger and car combo and get this tariff? Whereas Octopus don't currently recognise my Givenergy charge point with a Polestar 4 car which is already on order.... that means I can only have Octopus Go at 5 hours instead of EONS 7 hours when I get the car. Also my export go's down to 8p with Octopush I believe whereas Eon is at 16.5p?! I have a 20kwh battery system (big electric users) and the car to come so the 7 hours and keeping a decent export rate for summer as we have 19 panels too which do circa 900-1100kwh's a month would be good. If I switch happy to use your referral code to help you and channel as you've been super helpful even in comments so far. My only hesitation is Octopus is sooo much better on payments for export plus app etc and EON were awful when I left them last year, messed up all the basics including kept billing me made up bills for over a year since leaving!
@steveelvin823
The Eon import and export tariffs are certainly appealing if you can't access the intelligent octopus options.
Thanks Steve, that's very kind. I would make sure you're happy that the savings are enough for you to tolerate any anxiety that switching may bring.
Let me know how you get on, all the best, Shan
You have convinced my to stay with Octopus. Thanks 👍🏼
Thanks, it's certainly not the worst plan. Be useful to know your specific set up and why you're sticking?
All this work to save £16.67 p/m or about £0.59p p/d...
The amount of hassle & effort to compare smart tariffs is ridiculous.
Alas, we can't get a smart tariff anyhow as the "smart" meter Octopus installed is dumb as it can't communicate with the network.
So after a couple of months trying to sort it out I've given up and now moved to a fixed rate tariff for the forseeable future.
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Yup, but looking at the numbers allows me find the best tariff available. It all adds up, especially if I stay with E.On for a few years. 😊
we can debate which company is best but the great thing is you have two suppliers who you have the choice on best to suit your own circumstances. For me Octopus agile is the best for my personal usage but I hope Labour as the new govt can get rid of the gas price lock in which will make a big difference.
Thanks for sharing, absolutely I agree it depends on each individual. The nice thing at the moment is that there appears to be some competition emerging 👍🏽
@@everythinghome and because octopus are now number one in the UK the others have to compete and provide the agile .. however they don’t generate enough green ? Or have the deals octopus have
Big difference is octopus have investors and not shareholders and the biggest one is a green fund
Why don't you switch to a variable direct debit?
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That sounds good. When I emailed them about my DD they suggested they couldn't change it until they had some usage data from me. Definitely a plan moving forwards though 👍
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I think company ethos and customer service are really important. I would never change away from Octopus to another supplier just because I could save a penny on the import rate, unless they were as good and innovative as Octopus in those areas. I just don’t believe that the others are.
Thanks for commenting. I agree, octopus have been fab. However, it's more than just a few pennies. And part of the reason we bought our first EV was the E.On next drive tariff made this a more financially viable option for us. I've never been with E.On so I'm happy to see what happens...I'll aim to do an update video in 6 months or so.
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Can I ask how will you deal with Saving Sessions. I'm on the Eon Next Drive V3 tarrif and have export with them also. I can't see how I can save energy unless the export is taken into account like last year. Octopus deducted the export from import and using forced export ensured a saving. I dont think Eon can make this calculation. Any ideas (I'm not a give energy customer)
Hi Joy - Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment on this video.
The saving sessions are a Octopus Energy led. However, the wider scheme is the Demand Flexibility Service (DFS) - I haven't explored how this will work with E.On yet to be honest. But undoubtedly I will do.
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Eon next pay annually for solar, 16p per kWh when signed up. They said that part is old fashioned where they take a manual reading and photo for export. Import is like octopus using same software, bills are a little sparidic on eon next drive 3 normally monthly, but it is a great tariff, I was on octopus go, but now our bills are much cheaper. The saving sessions with eon next are deducted from the monthly bill.
I've swapped to eon for both import and export. My question is... will eon use my export figure against my import figure to calculate a usage saving during the dfs events. Like octopus do? @Pete-rf6zz
@@joymarie4443 they pay it annually or upon request, but I have not been with them for a year. I can ask them, but would imagine they pay by cheque or deduct from one of your accounts. Tell you what I might ask to pay mine now and see if they send a cheque.
the export is dealt with separately and does not affect the DFS sessions.
It seems your situation is similar to mine. I was with Octopus for a few years but found their offerings for my circumstances got worse and worse. Also I found Octopus contact to be very poor, long long waits in the phone and abysmal email response times. I have friends with Octopus who report the same thing too. Eon however have been brilliant to deal with, quick response times and friendly staff. And a much better tariff than Go. 😊
Thanks for sharing, that's great to hear ☺️
I have exactly the opposite experience. Fast, friendly and helpful support that have been an absolute delight to work with!
Replies within 24 hours and response to help also within 24 hours.
I can't fault them!
I'd wholeheartedly recommend Octopus for their tech support!
@@SusannaSaunders yep it seems experiences vary greatly that’s for sure
How come your panels generate 10kw on average in january?? In now 6 years of owning panels and barely december or january can give 2 kwh a day
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There are many factors I suppose which contribute here including the orientation, ours are SSW facing and the kWp, our system is 8.31 kWp.
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I’m sticking with Octopus. Great customer service and 7p off peak for 6 hours is a winner!
Yup that's fair enough. They are great if you can access their lower rate tariffs 👍🏽
😈 poor Electrical’s wiring at 16:00. And only 5 year duration until next test on your castle 🤪
Thanks - certified electrician did that - what's wrong with it?
@@everythinghomebasic insulation showing (brown and blue wires) between the switches
Also devices use the switch immersion, substandard.
Equipment installed on compatible material. Accessibility of CU for the disabled.
Sorry to be nitpicky. Love your vlogs 👍
SONOFF controlling 3KW immersions, although rated 16 or 20A, the Chinese plastic is highly known for overheating & burning up!
I've not come across any reports to suggest there is an issue with the sonoffs?
I’ll still stick with octopus as my export is paid by the government FIT payment also Octopus is far and away the most honest company, for mr service is also very important.
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We also have a FIT payment with EDF - I gave up my FIT deemed export payment to be paid for my actual export which is working out to be more fruitful for us as we have a 2nd non FIT benefitting array. I love Octopus too, but the savings to be had from E.On we're too hard to ignore.
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So what you are saying is that Octopus aren't the great start up that they were a few years ago...
Hi Susanna,
Octopus are great - I'll always be a fan 🐙. But the savings to be had from E.On we're too hard to ignore. Saving £200-300 each year will soon add up.
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Why are you not on Intelligent Octopus Go 7p kWh and 15p kWh export
He said in the video because he doesn’t haven’t a compatible car or charger
Because like many others, including me, we don’t have the correct car or charger.
@@paulhetherington969 new charger problem solved.
I will stick with octopus as they don't ask for MCS for your solar install
That's right, E.On except Flexiorb too
@@everythinghome flexiorb ? Please elaborate
@dama054 Flexi-Orb is an alternative (but equivalent) professional certification scheme to the Microgeneration Certification Scheme (MCS).
@@everythinghome ok thanks only issue is I have no paperwork for my install as it was put in a while ago
I'm sure a retrospective assessment of the install should allow you to get some certification to be able to sign up to an export option
All this faff for buttons and a company that is not in the same league for innovation or customer service. Mad.
It's all cumulative. The savings as re more than buttons and it'll be interesting to see what octopus do with their rates in the coming few months. No doubt they are an excellent company, but as a consumer I need to make sure I'm getting the best deal
EON are awful when things go wrong. Good luck, you will need it. Make sure your phone battery is charged as you will be on hold for hours 😂
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Thanks for the insight. I've not tried ringing them and to be fair I've not needed to, they've been very responsive via X and email. I'll post a 6 month update.
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I have found them to be very helpful 😊
I must admit my experience of EON customer service is extremely mixed and mostly negative tbh; you really have to persevere to find someone there that is willing and able to do the simpliest of things. Also their insistence on fixed DD payments at ridiculously high levels is crazy even with evidence of actual usage from regular meter readings; hopefully that will eventually change in time following the installation of a Smart Meter in May.
Thanks for sharing John - my experience has been largely positive so far thankfully. I'm sure there are some Octopus customers who have had poor experiences. The savings were worth taking the risk. I'm sure if it al hits the fan I'll let you all know 😅
While quite interested, please just cut to the chase, got a few minutes in, and lost the will to live. I'm sure it's fascinating but why not do a 1 minute summary ?
Thanks for the feedback, you can and I usually do, watch the videos on speed X2 and there are timestamps in the video description box 👍🏽
do all these export tarrifs require MSC certs?
I can't recall for Octopus as I signed up a while ago but for E.on it's MCS or FlexiOrb as mentioned in the video
Why are you ignoring intelligent GO? at 7p per pkh for 6 hours off peak? By far the best rate. Add that to 15p Outgoing rate they pay you and its a no brainer.
You have to have the right charger or car. So not an option for so many of us.
@@lesterrobinson3169 It is an option for everyone, buy the right charger!
I find it discriminatory that Octopus only offer Intelligent Octopus to EV drivers - I can’t drive so I can’t get the rates they can to power their house - total discrimination
I suppose that's the advantage of E.On's next drive tariff in that you can either have an EV or solar and battery storage
@@everythinghome agree at least they let folks with batteries use the tariff which will be reason enough now for me to leave Octopus
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Awesome, you made it into my latest video - let me know you think 😉
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Hello, can you confirm your email address? My emails to yourself to claim the additional £20 referral bonus keeps bouncing back
Hi, it's savemecashuk@gmail.com
Can I have your email address that is associated with Eon please? They aren't able to pay the referral to you or me as the email address here isn't the one they hold and the referral link aren't enough, apparently.
Thanks for the info. Can you send me an email via the channels email address savemecashuk@gmail.com and I can send it to you. Thanks, Shan
Could I have the email address you use with Eon please so we can both get the referral payment?
If you email me at savemecashuk@gmail.com I can send it to you 👍🏽