There's a bunch of experts on the internet 😂 you guys are doing great with what you have. Keep digging and learning HTF you guys are a solid team regardless of what people say.
I've been watching your channel for 3 or 4 years and one of the reasons if not the biggest reasons is you guys make it fun and most important for me family Johnathan ,Joseph,Joshua,and jesse and wives,and kids and Jordans even loosening up this an year and the rest of the team you may fool around t bit but I see your seriousness at the track and the shop when it's time for business so keep being you when it's time to grow and you have the backing then take extra step good luck this season
I would like to see someone comment "I found a crew chief and I will cover his salary" or "I rented a track for you all year and will pay for your tires and fuel to test"
Nah. Everyone loves to criticize and be arm chair quarterbacks after they watch the video. These people aren’t actually here to try to help. They all just want to comment there input and feel like what they have to say is important
No people comment because it's a UA-cam channel and they open up the comment section . As such they will recive positive and negative comments regardless of the topic at hand like any channel . They could just turn off the comments with a single push of a button but they don't because it drives viewership ie traffic which drives up revenue for them .I am glad they respond to criticism like they do here and explain why they have decided to do or not to do things like they have here.. The real issue is snowflakes like the above posters who can't stand even the slightest critical comment with out launching into adhomen attacks or portraying themselves or HTF as victims like so many snowflakes in our society today . Suck it up butter cup HTF are big boys they can handle it without your whinging and whineing .
It's hard to compete with the big series because they race so much more. If you had a constant 3 or 4 races a week your going to be better then 1 a week but that's racing I guess.
Look, I’m behind you guys 100% regardless the entertainment value is awesome. But I see the hesitation in Jonathan‘s voice. I hear the hesitation in Jonathan‘s voice if you want to get good at something you practice why do football teams do it they practice if you’re only driving a weekend every other weekend that ain’t good enough. If you guys are happy with the value that you put out then don’t worry about what people say but if you want to get better you need to test it’s common sense. But regardless, I think you guys are great keep up the good work. Glory to GOD!
@dirtracer9193 shop for sponsors, they've had the same for the past few years. They're known all over the country, and they should easily be able to pick up some extra funds. Who is in charge of their marketing is falling down on their job. I feel like they're just not doing enough to better their program.
@@dirtracer9193 I'm a fan, not a company. Just an old retired UAW Ford autoworker on disability. Best I can do is buy their merch, I've bought alot. I don't work for them, if I did, I'd be on the phone constantly doing my best to get them all the funds they need to do anything they need to win. I am willing to do that for them, if they'd let me of course. I can only make fourteen hundred a month without getting in trouble with ssdi
Can you really have a valuable testing session on a virgin track? Unless you’re testing on a Sunday after a weekend of racing I’m not sure how much information you’re getting that could be applied to a race night. (This isn’t asphalt) With that said, obviously, all the testing in the world is more valuable than not testing if funds and time isn’t an issue. The crew chief discussion is laughable. This a family race team that’s done an amazing job at building a brand and entertainment channel. This isn’t a series Charter team with a million dollar a year budget. Chill out guys
Stop listening to us!! Focus on racing. Let go of the pressure. Get back to basics. Jonathan do what you do. The business stuff. It’s not like y’all don’t know what you’re doing.
You guys are the most transparent team I have ever watched on UA-cam!!! Your not just a race team!!! How many other racing teams start their own series for others like themselves and in the second year draw the attention and support that HTF receives. There is no team out there running their own series plus racing plus vlogging plus podcasting plus merchandising plus racing support classes plus owning a full time stable plus, plus, plus. Whether you realize this or not you are doing something that no one else is doing. Lucas World of Outlaws HTF Thats what you have created and you have a lot to hang your hat on. Keep up the great work. People love to be entertained and more than being entertained others love to criticize!!!!! When your product quits growing then your no longer relative but..........when your product is liked and hated and views are up you have something of value!!!!!! Keep doing what you love!!!!!
I've been watching for like 5 years and at the beginning was curious when the "wheels were going to fall off" meaning this channel fall apart. It just keeps getting deeper. That region should be excited for racing imo. The kids that watch these videos are the Next generation of racing.
I agree they have came a long way. Now time will make the faster and consistent there at the top of the fastest and there rather new at this level time and experience is the only way they're doing great.
Joseph is very correct. You don't go testing unless you have a reason for testing Never harm your equipment for no reason And never test at a track that's not going to be paying a big money race in the future And this is just my opinion. Y'all do a great job. Keep up the good work
I agree partially with you but fully with Joseph, that you have a game plan to test and things that you want to try, accomplish or whatever. Maybe they would arrange to have someone available that he trusts or believes in to help with that testing or at least give guidance on what things to try and all that.
Yeah just go wind those precious 50k motors up to 9500 and let em rip!! Go thru 3 or 4 sets of Hoosiers while you're at it!! It's just money, people never cease to amaze with their "expertise" let's spend 20k to MAYBE win 15
How much does one lap cost for test? Fuel, tires, motor laps, shock wear, oil, brakes, tear offs, tow money, track rent, etc.. I don't know and I won't waste your time listening to me tell you what to do. . Well, you answered My question when I ended this comment, but I'll post it anyways for the algorithm! Keep doing what you're doing!
@jonkluver7912 I couldn't tell you but I would guess for them to haul to a track (which all tracks a different and so are the gears used ,camber, tires and pressure) as you said rent the track, pay EMS to standby as there are no laps without an ambulance present , wear on the motor, tires, fluids etc etc I cannot believe it's a lick under 10k so really hotlaps are where they test "free" but again iam not a crew chief just a hack stocker driver back in the day
Here's just a common man's take on this. Can't capital rent a track for a couple days and several teams come test with some capital engineers to assist ? You are running their brand on a national level with social and TV exposure. It would behoove them to help, no? Any engineer that has any experience knows how to test many things (unrelated) per test session. You get results faster and better results you can use. Data acquisition is a must. Think outside the box or run mid pack.
Sad to say but the majority of htf nation has no clue wtf they’re talking about, never have worked on or wheeled a race car, but they know it all somehow 🤦🏻♂️
Facts. And I’ve never driven a race but I’ve been a mechanic (mostly aircraft) since my teens. I’m 53 now. If it was cheap or easy everyone would do it.
$2000 is ALOT to rent a track. Granted being from South Carolina our facilities aren't near as nice but if I'm not mistaken 4 hours of testing at our local track is 450 bucks and most people bring 4 people to help level the costs. The main use for test sessions for us was to always test stuff we would never try during a race night because we don't want to mess up any chance at a good finish by trying random off the wall stuff. Testing is a good or bad thing. You will burn up equipment and spend money, but in the chance you find something that puts you in a new speed bracket is worth while.
What quit talking and actually work on your cars to make them faster and place better , why would you do that . Just keep asking for money every 5 minutes in your videos
The top guys are also testing with engineers, data acquisition, crew chiefs, shock specialists, etc. Testing for you guys would be helpful but not at the cost for your level team.
I think you guys should save the testing to "A" the big money races and "B" to the newer tracks that you have been to only once. That will save lap count on motors, but im sure it will help the setup book for that track. Race days and open practice is tough for setup work because the track changes so much in that short time. Kinda always chasing tail when it's like that and not making good notes. I love the way you guys just do you. Mad respect. Been watching since your second you tube episode and its crazy how far you all have come. Dont change! The HTF crew is amazing and thanks for doing what you guys do.
I totally agree that’s exactly what I said. I don’t watch hunt the front because they win all the time I watch Hunt the front because it’s awesome entertainment, and their Christians. That’s the only reason they need to do whatever they feel happy doing that’s all that matters to me I can care less one way or the other. I’m still gonna keep watching. To be honest, I don’t watch anybody else and I don’t watch dirt track racing because I’m a big huge fan. I’m a fan of hunt the front. Glory to GOD!
Interestingly, being ex-Christian myself, I watch HTF _in spite_ of the fact that they are Christians. But HTF doesn't constantly non-consensually proselytize in front of the camera the way a majority of religious folks do, so I don't mind giving them my patronage. If you keep your personal religion and politics in private, and you like racing, we'll get along just fine.
I just made a comment about that, without knowing the extent of what Joseph actually knows and capable of. I know he does seem to be the only/main one that makes setup/adjustments with maybe an idea or tire decision with Jesse but that seems to be about it.
A good start is having someone as a "data clerk" to track every little piece of the operation for every track. Past and future there are so many things that go into making a good car (team)a great car (team)
@ToddRobinson13 They have data acquisition systems for on the car. I am talking about notes taking on car setup, tires, weather, track conditions, driver feedback, and so on.
I'm sure HTF has something. Temp, Barometric pressure, weather forecast, moisture content in track. So many variables and all it takes is a water truck to wreck someone's set up.
Try to find a trustworthy consultant to go through all shocks and springs and go to a few races with you or maybe a test ..the right guy can help a lot without the expense of a full time crew chief
Let’s be serious. You gotta start somewhere. Give them a break. It’s not easy. There’s other people having this same issue. Just not “televised” someone please tell me the W/L ratio to even some of the best racecar drivers vs hunt the front. How many years would it take you guys with Jos experience and equipment to win consecutive races. You can buy any car you want. You still gotta drive the bitch.
I think ‘testing’ is what ran Hudson off from 🚀 1. It’s no secret that Mark hazza Belicheck type work ethic. Not that it’s wrong,but I don’t think it set well with/Hudson.
I think maybe you all should’ve stayed with capital they were happening just saying I know longhorn was banging at the time by y’all had it going on with capital
It's a lot different for the Carolina boys versus you guys due to location. The Fergusons and Cla Knight have 8 to 10 different tracks of different sizes and different surface characteristics within 2 hours of the shop. You guys don't necessarily have that luxury
The overwhelming majority of the people telling you how to run your “show” , couldn’t drive a duck to water .. for anyone to do what you guys have done , is an incredible achievement . Just be you , that’s why people watch .
Podcast shows well what IT COSTS to do great! Keep pushing and win what you can when you can like the HTF SDS. You won't lose my support from here in Iowa.
Hey guys, Thank You for all your family does for dirt racing. Listened to your podcast. Seems like you have some really good equipment. Sometimes one might have to sit down and evaluate if what you have and can afford is good enough to beat the competition. Now I have no idea what the other teams run, Joseph and Jessie know how to get around the track. You definitely showed you can run with everyone at Eldora. Don’t think you’re very far off.
The very top teams have two identical cars in the truck not one with their good engine and one with a not-so-good engine. Plus they likely have couple top-tier spare motors in the cabinet. Probably a shock dyno and half-dozen sets of shocks. Most of the commenters have ZERO idea how much work/cost this stuff is.
Find a chassis guy and let him go over your set up. Your engines seem to be good you just don't get around the track as good as you should. Should not cost you a lot and what you learn will pay off in spades.
So you can't afford to test , can't afford a crew chief, can't really afford tires and motor wear ? How do you plan to get faster ? A lot of the people who make comments are invested in your success because you invited them ! I know it ruins my day when you guys run like crap ! And your series is getting pretty competitive ! How can you get mad about people having an opinion when you make money off of showing them most of what you do ?
All these escalating costs is the result of trying to turn a hobby sport into a professional regional and national sport, instead of keeping it at the level of a local weekly track.
With all of the variables in dirt tracks -- length, banking, radius of curves, length of straights, composition of dirt, etc., I don't see the value of doing much testing unless you're looking for something specific with a new part, steering setup, etc. Of course, who's to say the track will be prepared anything like it would be for a race day?
So many crew chiefs available in the comments, just pick one lol. Testing is a great idea but like Joseph says, what are you testing, it would have to be something setup wise, new shocks / suspension setup / equipment. You know this though. What about setup help from Longhorn?
I would think that the cost overrides everything else. Practice and chance ruining a 50k engine. Not ideal. I would see about a consulting fee situation. For the level of drivers you drew to your series is no joke. Maybe get a modified to race on your of time and more 604 races. You said it. Those top guys are racing 3 or 4 times a week in something or other. Hard to beat guys that drive a race car more hours a week than you drive anything all week.
Testing a few times a year to try things out of your comfort zone. The more you try, the more you learn. Does Longhorn have a chassis setup school? Does anyone? I’m just an armchair fan, part-time racer via iRacing. I know very little about setups, but the fact y’all bring testing up, and talk about it is a good step forward. One other thing. Aero, you guys had a podcast on this subject. I notice little thing certain drivers do to the bodies. Like that big curve on the right side on Overton’s sheet metal. Like a giant air scoop, that’s shaped like a dozer blade.
Yes there are setup schools or at least 1 that I've seen, if not many more. Don't know what the manufactures do/have, but if you follow Tim Nash on Ole No 7 Garage he and his brother in-law Gary Gross went to one couple or so months ago (Gary's 2nd time going), but I can't remember the name of it. They filmed the trip there and the non-classroom stuff during it, but not the actual class part itself. Felt people should do like they did and pay to go to the school like everyone else. Not sure how good they are but they are there.
If you were going to test it would be best for you to go in with Trent I've and rent Cherokee Speedway and test setups and gear ratios there since you have a big money HTF race there later this year and it gets dry slick most of the time 99%
I'm way late to the conversation. Testing is great if you can afford it, but for people without a cubic dollar budget, the answer is race more. You won't get as many clean laps, but how often do you have clean laps in racing? How often is the track going to be the same condition? At least when you're doing more racing, you'll get something if you make the show. There's no pay window at a test. You're putting laps on the equipment either way and you can still wall a car while testing.
I feel, just my opinion with no skin in the game, that it'd be a benefit to have someone from Longhorn come test with you for a day or two. Whether that's feasible or not I don't know. You have ran into a ton of bad luck lately which is contributing to the results. Also it might need to go to a one car team instead of tossing Jesse in a Super so you're fully committed? Once again my opinion, I'm still watching you guys and love the content. Good Luck this year.
Joshua could you reduce the winners purse to pay for a practice night? $10k to 9k Friday , 20k to 19k Saturday, maybe run something like that at a drivers meeting to gauge interest?
Truth. Testing to know. How yall feel about NASA 13 years with no product want 5 billion in addition to 2025 budget? 13 years × $450M/mission $5.85B to fund racing all types😂 Joe says don't start with him. 😂
Using LOGIC!!! Probably 99.5% have no idea what they are talking about ... also these are the same experts of NASCAR too!!! Testing is used for new parts or configurations (thought), custom parts and if they can be adjusted in; also testing in race condition for the thought of "type" of track.
The people making those comments don’t realize there’s about 4 different types of budget classes in Super racing. You have local guys that just afford the stuff that race at a couple tracks against other locals with older equipment. Regional, where you stay in your area, race at more tracks, have a couple volunteers on the crew, somewhat new equipment. Traveling lite, where you try and travel with the top series but don’t have a crew chief but some crew members and the equipment to complete. Then the top that has it all plus more. Idk if it’s yall being on UA-cam or what it is with these fans but they think yall are in that top portion and it’s just not possible to do if you run with a certain budget, even if the talent is there. 12 years ago I could run with Billy Moyer Jr at certain tracks with his full crew and it just me, my dad, and one helper, but other places I couldn’t as the budget started to shine.
Good point. People are also forgetting that beyond Jordan, everyone else on that team has video/series management responsibilities for internet content (twitch gaming, patreon vids and a podcast) as well as a small crew race team - since HTF's other enterprises are key to funding the team in general, there's only so much they can do. You're dead on, people make assumptions, but all of this is work and I'm sure their families, as involved as they are have needs as well. :) Good discussion. I remember the first time I saw Billy Moyer, back in the transition to wedge cars from stock late models, competing on a budget has always been a huge issue in dirt track late model racing. That struggle could fill a book.
We see that with the USMTS stuff up here. A couple local favorites put on a clinic when they come to town. But it's good for the series and good for the local fans that full the seats.
Go Back to a Capital. Go Back to an Open trailer Go Back and do more local races Go Back to things being simple Go Back to Enjoying racing Seems if you dont have a spare Million dollars up your sleeve, to waste every season,Whats the point, And whats the end goal here? Wouldnt you be better off winning 10x $2500 features a season, Than 0 $25,000 features a season.
I just want to say that every driver and team have off races where they don't perform or finish well. The track is NEVER GOING TO BE THE SAME TWICE even if y'all went to test, it's still a roll of the dice and a gamble and it's going to cost unless you get a huge boost from sponsors and the sponsors cover the cost instead of it coming out of y'all's pockets!!! Something to think about. And that's just my opinion. I know Clay Millican with his top fuel team have tons of sponsors that allow him to test and have multiple motors and parts and if it wasn't for the sponsors,he wouldn't be as good as he is but even with his testing and crew chief,he still has times where the car just doesn't work or go as fast as it's capable of going. Just keep on keeping on and being y'all. It will get better. Promise!!!🏁🏆🏁💞🤗💞🌟🌟
Everyone has an opinion or is the Expert. But then they have to spend their own MONEY. And just like that ALL Talk and no action when they have to spend their money. Keep digging!!🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
It's hard living where you guys do because surface plays a big part in it. You can be dialed in down there and come up north where I'm from and be out to lunch!!!!! I'm a full believer in the more money you have the easier it is to get faster. You guys have come leaps and bounds in the last 2 yrs. Also I think u guys r doing it right. Ya won't get any better beating up on the local guys. Keep chasing big races and keep taking notes. If ya can't out money them..... OUT WORK THEM!!!!
The big teams could afford to test, the little guys could not ! It's dirt racing, I think to keep things fair. You go to a race, hot laps, qualify and race !!! Period, Don't even listen to the the you should's !!!!!!
Yeah you guys really need to just hire a bunch of dudes to get that car running and maybe then Joseph will finish WAY BETTER than 2nd in points 😂😂😂 such a bunch of slackers.
Let me start off by saying that I love the whole HTF Team/Family!!! I offer up one possible alternative to what was discussed in this video. I believe that Donnie Moran offers his time and facilites (for a price) up in southern Ohio to help educate racers on how to step up their respective racing program. I saw it in an interview with his son, Devin, a year or two ago with "The History Mystery Man". Please do not take my word for it, but give Donnie Moran a call and find out what he can offer you and what it will cost. It seemed like it lasted for a couple 2-3 days and he explains why teams do the things that they do to improve speed and performance. Possibly a lot of your viewers would be willing to chip in $20 a piece to help with the cost. I would be willing to do that for sure. Best Wishes!!!
Testing on dirt. How can that be consistent? When dirt changes with the weather conditions. What’s the cost? (Track rental, engine wear, crew pay, fuel cost) is it worth the purse your racing for? It all cost money. Me as a spectator going to watch a 4 hour’s of entertainment. I don’t see the benefit of the price of admission. Cause, the admission is getting out of my income range. I’ll just get my fix at watching ya’ll on UA-cam. Keep up the great work. And Jessie. Where’s that baby?
There really only a select number of teams that can afford to pay a top notch crew chief. Jimmy Owens hasn’t done much since he lost Cody when Jimmy won the championship in 2021. He is fast at times, but reliability is an issue.
If I were to ever win Powerball or Mega Millions, the first thing I would do, is to build a Dirt Late Model team. I would also donate money to the purses. These people work their asses off, and they deserved to be paid. I’m 55 and have been around racing since I was born. I love racing and know what it takes to work on a race car.
I made this comment once before a week ago il say it again. You boys are doing great. You all are still newish to the top level in super. Like people don't realize that you boys are going up against established race teams with decades behind them. This is what your second or third year as a full on competitive super team. So what I see I'm impressed. I'm almost 40 and I've grown up in racing. Never made it racing to late models but I worked on a super team in the Lucas series when I was younger. Again what people are expecting out of y'all takes time hell years. Most don't make I'm one. But you boys keep doing what you know stay focused and for heaven sake enjoy the ride I love it. God bless.
I’m not going to say get a crew chief because idk yalls finances. What I will say is idk why yall are racing more. These guys on tour have ran probably 20 races by now and they have so many laps on their car they know what it needs to go faster. Just seems yall are constantly playing catch up and I’m afraid it’s really going to show on the HTF series because take tonight for example. Half dozen of the regulars for HTF series is racing with Lucas getting better and better. Y’all are running 604 or 602 with Jesse which is fine but does that benefit the team in the big picture? I mean what are the goals here? I seriously wanna see yall succeed a ton!
I Not A expert in Racing but all Top teams in any Racing have $$$$ behind them it's all money no doubt u guys have a driver Joseph that is up there with best I think u be better spent on equipment u guys no what u doing 💯 but who am I to say just my opinion love your work HTF TEAM 🏁
Those same people gave you views who cares what they think I enjoy watching you. I enjoy arguing with the crybabies in the comments but I don't really care what they think. Let's be honest NONE of those people will say anything to your face or even know what they are talking about or they'd be driving a super late model.
I think you guys need a “brain” of the operation… like, i assume someone is doing this off screen, but, more, track temps, air temp, humidity, setup down to the conditioon of the body.. and results… and putting it ALL together… testing, and what the testing did, in that temp, humidity, ect… Also, can we not call capital and tell them you need a car with a little more right steering..? Get on the phone with them…. I sometimes think you guys listen to MY comment… maybe me and 1000 others say the same thing…?
I'm a long-time follower of the channel, I enjoy the content and the racing. I'd really like to see you have more success against the Overtons, Erbs, Fergusons, Hedgecocks and other "tour teams" and your so close some nights! This may have already been answered and I missed it. Are there schools/classes/seminars available on chassis set-up and tuning? If so, does it make sense for one or two of your current team members to attend such training? It seems to me you don't have to be an "engineer" to learn how to set up cars it's a matter of learning the in's and out's of making adjustments and getting the car/chassis in balance. I may be over-simplifying things and at the same time it may be a way to make that next step without having to spend time, effort and money find and hire a crew chief.
Its all about time and money management to be successful in any race program. It's pretty crazy even in the lower classes now. Hopefully still having fun.
You have to test when your a team like y’all have. Y’all show up on race day and don’t really no how to setup for changing track conditions. That’s not a knock on y’all it’s hard to learn when you run 1 night a week or every 2 weeks. You have the best equipment now so you should be serious about winning or running top 5 . It’s not much fun being a field filler or getting start money. Joesph is as good of a driver as most of the top 10 guys. So it’s not his driving. He can’t drive it if it’s not hooked up. Like last weekend getting lapped.That’s were Testing will pay dividends. You test to learn. Make changes on the front , the rear, air pressure,stagger everything on car and see what it does to it. Long Horn gives you a baseline. It’s up to y’all to go from there. You can’t show up at a track and hope you luck up and get the setup.Everybody’s to good now for guessing . You got to no what changes to make. Y’all are either really good or really bad. There’s no middle ground. Y’all have to get that knowledge from testing and quit talking and asking other teams because they will lie and have you so screwed up you can’t get out of your own way. Y’all should be running top 10 every week with all the parts and pieces y’all have now. You’ll never be front runners unless you test and learn from it each lap .Testing will pay for its self in winnings if it’s done with a purpose and not just ride in circles. Every one wants to see Joesph running up front and winning and he can he has the talent run with those guys. Test Test Test
Host 5 or 6 HTF testing session for you and other teams. Have the other teams agree for you to video and create content for UA-cam and Huntthefront TV. Make your money off of the content and pay for the testing that way. Or maybe get a sponsor for those videos. Easy for me to say because I have no idea how to create anything on UA-cam and I do not have my own racing series or television streaming platform or a race car. I drive a 2015 Honda Accord, watch your videos and now I think I am a genius!
Better figure out how to squeeze out some of the UA-cam money and find you another guy JJ can bounce ideas off of. That's what you're missing!! Admit it you need some help at the race track. If you guys don't at least top ten your loyal fans will move on to the next guy. Testing is for shaking down a new car or getting a new driver some laps. You need race conditions to really learn anything..
Most of the guys who are commenting have NO IDEA what is involved in what you guys are trying to do. Testing is great BUT the money meter is running..... I know testing is important but until you can get a bona fide crew chief I am not sure that the expense is going to result in more money at the pay window. Just my opinion
Hello gents! The only thing I have is, race more than you do. I don’t know if testing is the answer but I do know that seat time always helps! Starting sooner in the season and running more consistently. Not taking all this time off.
I doubt this will be seen by HTF, but I watched this vid about what you guys need to do to be better. Hiring a Crew Chief is not realistic and Testing can get expensive. I agree. But you can do more in your shop. I recommend getting set up plates from Hammond Motorsports and start doing more chassis setup in your shop. Both Front and Rear. I don't represent the business. But those are very useful to preparing your cars before ever heading to a Track. Just a suggestion.
Testing is where you can throw the kitchen sink at the car and see how it reacts. Want to try something totally off the wall and see how the car reacts? Testing is the time to do it. Bar angle, ride height, bird cage angle, pinion angles, spring / shock combinations, weight percentages, anything. You can learn a lot in testing you can't learn racing. If you spend a full day you can test various combinations across changing track conditions and then have that information available when you're actually racing. Pages and pages of notes and numbers. Write everything down. All that information travels with you and when you're actually racing and track is going slick, taking rubber, etc and the car feels a certain way you'll have good information what combination worked and what didn't work. It's not a cheap day or two but making a couple big shows because you knew what to do with the car instead of just guessing can pay for that day.
The largest problem what you are not understanding is that we the viewers keep seeing you all scratching your heads when the track changes. Would an experienced crew chief be benificial....yes and no.......yes only if they have specific knowledge of the chassis and tracks that you are running on........If they do not have this experience than they are as useless as Jesse picking at his beard(sarcasm) when he has no input as to what changes will benefit the car for the changing track conditions. Ultimately the team has changed chassis twice since i began watching your journey. Changing chassis is like learning an entire new language. Learning these changes are exactly where you all are at least in my opinion failing. You need two setup books. One book for track information........what works, what does not and what you needed to do to chase the track changes. The second book is your racing base book. This second book is the important book and even after all your videos I personally have not seen you all even attempt to figure out the Capital and now the Longhorn chassis. You need to understand what every hole and adjuster on the chassis does to the car on the track from one extreme to the other. Start with the left front and continue around the car until you know what each and every hole does individually. Caster/Camber/Toe-in Toe-out/4-Link positions/J-bar/ect ect ect. Is it going to take some time to do this yes, but at the end when you have this information you will know what to specifically do when you see the track is tightening or loosening up as the night goes on. You can go to this book and review it and know that this move tightened the car up on a moderate slick track or this move allowed the car to rotate quicker or slower. These are just examples. Right now you all are making wholesale adjustments and just hoping you guessed correctly. Why guess? Guessing is only wasting time. Figure out what does what and put it in the book for reference. Shock adjustments are your fine tuning adjustments. I see you all adjusting shocks like they are going to make monster changes in how the car runs. They do not. They fine tune the chassis.....Get the car close with bar movements and than fine tune it by adjusting the shocks. Reading comments and comprehending them are two different things. When I got out of crewing on race cars some 20+ years ago we did the same thing. Test the extremes and learn to adjust the cars. Yes the cars have changed a ton, but the one thing that has not changed is the teams that put in the time to learn their chassis are also the teams that win more consistently. I am not here trying to bash your operation or honestly JJ's talent. I want to see you optimize what you have and succeed on the track. Take the time and test, but don't just test to say you tested.
Since y'all are not a fully funded race team I would say you should just try to make sure Joseph is getting time in the car. Make your schedule subject to change and hit local tracks or smaller events instead of constantly trying these major events that get rained out. I know y'all are working hard to make things work, pay the bills, ect. Keep doing what you do but the more Joseph is in that car running no matter where it is, will make a big difference in better results. Look at the years y'all won these big events for example. You were racing a lot of races those years.
They don’t need a crew chief! Just need to set the car up better. They are close. Just missing some Fine Tuning. And the Woo and Lucas fellas get Waaaaayyy more testing time.
I don't know if this would work... Maybe along with splitting the cost with another team, you could take the merch trailer with you and have a combined test session and meet and greet. Helping to offset some of the cost.
I know when either Supers touring series is in the East Tn area, someone is always testing before or after at another track within an hour drive. 411, Smoky Mtn., I-75, Bulls Gap, Tazwell.
Some of our tracks up north have test nights. Might not get but 5-6 runs but it will help build that note book. Some tracks are similar so some of that information can help you get your setup close. At least you'd have a starting point and adjust from there.
Laps to get it right are limited at some events. You do so good some nights and struggle so much other nights. I know its not always your night, but what could help you do better at the tracks you struggle at. Most people say more laps. Keep racing full seasons and you will get the laps without specifically testing. Then call that experience nod and say yup
Yes I do agree with testing. But at the same time it cost money to test. Renting the track, the expensive gas for the car and the totorhome, the tires. N I mean I only see people out testing before the season is about to start weather permitting. And maybe before a big event. But everything has to line up. But I swear alot of guys take the notes and set up and from the last time they were at that track as like a base set up and start there. I think alot of it is making changes to the car. Everyone has bad nights. I love watching you guys. I know this is long but ignore the negative. You guys are doing great, I just wish Jesse would stop hitting things so we would be able to see him race more lol haha. 😂good luck fellas
Test for different set ups try everything an anything you will definitely see a different. Take notes you guys will get it down with different set ups. I watched Jesse an joesph in the corners u can use some camber in the right front shim the top A- frame I think ur over using the right front. I'm not a perfeshional but what is it going to hurt u might be surprised.
There's a bunch of experts on the internet 😂 you guys are doing great with what you have. Keep digging and learning HTF you guys are a solid team regardless of what people say.
I've been watching your channel for 3 or 4 years and one of the reasons if not the biggest reasons is you guys make it fun and most important for me family Johnathan ,Joseph,Joshua,and jesse and wives,and kids and Jordans even loosening up this an year and the rest of the team you may fool around t bit but I see your seriousness at the track and the shop when it's time for business so keep being you when it's time to grow and you have the backing then take extra step good luck this season
I would like to see someone comment "I found a crew chief and I will cover his salary" or "I rented a track for you all year and will pay for your tires and fuel to test"
Nah. Everyone loves to criticize and be arm chair quarterbacks after they watch the video. These people aren’t actually here to try to help. They all just want to comment there input and feel like what they have to say is important
No people comment because it's a UA-cam channel and they open up the comment section . As such they will recive positive and negative comments regardless of the topic at hand like any channel . They could just turn off the comments with a single push of a button but they don't because it drives viewership ie traffic which drives up revenue for them .I am glad they respond to criticism like they do here and explain why they have decided to do or not to do things like they have here.. The real issue is snowflakes like the above posters who can't stand even the slightest critical comment with out launching into adhomen attacks or portraying themselves or HTF as victims like so many snowflakes in our society today . Suck it up butter cup HTF are big boys they can handle it without your whinging and whineing .
EXACTLY!!!!
It's hard to compete with the big series because they race so much more. If you had a constant 3 or 4 races a week your going to be better then 1 a week but that's racing I guess.
Exactly
I am a true believer that racing has become, “You race and run as fast as your money will allow”!
Look, I’m behind you guys 100% regardless the entertainment value is awesome. But I see the hesitation in Jonathan‘s voice. I hear the hesitation in Jonathan‘s voice if you want to get good at something you practice why do football teams do it they practice if you’re only driving a weekend every other weekend that ain’t good enough. If you guys are happy with the value that you put out then don’t worry about what people say but if you want to get better you need to test it’s common sense. But regardless, I think you guys are great keep up the good work. Glory to GOD!
They want to do lots of things. But they have a budget. A bottomless pit of money is what you need to go fast
I agree with you 💯 percent
@dirtracer9193 shop for sponsors, they've had the same for the past few years. They're known all over the country, and they should easily be able to pick up some extra funds. Who is in charge of their marketing is falling down on their job. I feel like they're just not doing enough to better their program.
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@@dirtracer9193 I'm a fan, not a company. Just an old retired UAW Ford autoworker on disability. Best I can do is buy their merch, I've bought alot. I don't work for them, if I did, I'd be on the phone constantly doing my best to get them all the funds they need to do anything they need to win. I am willing to do that for them, if they'd let me of course. I can only make fourteen hundred a month without getting in trouble with ssdi
Can you really have a valuable testing session on a virgin track? Unless you’re testing on a Sunday after a weekend of racing I’m not sure how much information you’re getting that could be applied to a race night. (This isn’t asphalt) With that said, obviously, all the testing in the world is more valuable than not testing if funds and time isn’t an issue.
The crew chief discussion is laughable. This a family race team that’s done an amazing job at building a brand and entertainment channel. This isn’t a series Charter team with a million dollar a year budget. Chill out guys
Best response I have seen.
Stop listening to us!! Focus on racing. Let go of the pressure. Get back to basics. Jonathan do what you do. The business stuff. It’s not like y’all don’t know what you’re doing.
You guys are the most transparent team I have ever watched on UA-cam!!! Your not just a race team!!!
How many other racing teams start their own series for others like themselves and in the second year draw the attention and support that HTF receives.
There is no team out there running their own series plus racing plus vlogging plus podcasting plus merchandising plus racing support classes plus owning a full time stable plus, plus, plus.
Whether you realize this or not you are doing something that no one else is doing.
Lucas
World of Outlaws
HTF
Thats what you have created and you have a lot to hang your hat on. Keep up the great work.
People love to be entertained and more than being entertained others love to criticize!!!!!
When your product quits growing then your no longer relative but..........when your product is liked and hated and views are up you have something of value!!!!!!
Keep doing what you love!!!!!
Well said, Mr Leonard!
They do get the hate from a minority, but never saw it the way you do, until now. Great post.
I've been watching for like 5 years and at the beginning was curious when the "wheels were going to fall off" meaning this channel fall apart. It just keeps getting deeper. That region should be excited for racing imo. The kids that watch these videos are the Next generation of racing.
I agree they have came a long way. Now time will make the faster and consistent there at the top of the fastest and there rather new at this level time and experience is the only way they're doing great.
Joseph is very correct. You don't go testing unless you have a reason for testing Never harm your equipment for no reason
And never test at a track that's not going to be paying a big money race in the future
And this is just my opinion. Y'all do a great job. Keep up the good work
I agree partially with you but fully with Joseph, that you have a game plan to test and things that you want to try, accomplish or whatever. Maybe they would arrange to have someone available that he trusts or believes in to help with that testing or at least give guidance on what things to try and all that.
Yeah just go wind those precious 50k motors up to 9500 and let em rip!! Go thru 3 or 4 sets of Hoosiers while you're at it!! It's just money, people never cease to amaze with their "expertise" let's spend 20k to MAYBE win 15
How much does one lap cost for test? Fuel, tires, motor laps, shock wear, oil, brakes, tear offs, tow money, track rent, etc.. I don't know and I won't waste your time listening to me tell you what to do. . Well, you answered My question when I ended this comment, but I'll post it anyways for the algorithm! Keep doing what you're doing!
@jonkluver7912 I couldn't tell you but I would guess for them to haul to a track (which all tracks a different and so are the gears used ,camber, tires and pressure) as you said rent the track, pay EMS to standby as there are no laps without an ambulance present , wear on the motor, tires, fluids etc etc I cannot believe it's a lick under 10k so really hotlaps are where they test "free" but again iam not a crew chief just a hack stocker driver back in the day
Here's just a common man's take on this. Can't capital rent a track for a couple days and several teams come test with some capital engineers to assist ? You are running their brand on a national level with social and TV exposure. It would behoove them to help, no? Any engineer that has any experience knows how to test many things (unrelated) per test session. You get results faster and better results you can use. Data acquisition is a must. Think outside the box or run mid pack.
Sad to say but the majority of htf nation has no clue wtf they’re talking about, never have worked on or wheeled a race car, but they know it all somehow 🤦🏻♂️
Facts. And I’ve never driven a race but I’ve been a mechanic (mostly aircraft) since my teens. I’m 53 now. If it was cheap or easy everyone would do it.
if you start a race in the back .use that race as a test session...words from #49 j.davenport
$2000 is ALOT to rent a track. Granted being from South Carolina our facilities aren't near as nice but if I'm not mistaken 4 hours of testing at our local track is 450 bucks and most people bring 4 people to help level the costs. The main use for test sessions for us was to always test stuff we would never try during a race night because we don't want to mess up any chance at a good finish by trying random off the wall stuff. Testing is a good or bad thing. You will burn up equipment and spend money, but in the chance you find something that puts you in a new speed bracket is worth while.
What quit talking and actually work on your cars to make them faster and place better , why would you do that . Just keep asking for money every 5 minutes in your videos
The top guys are also testing with engineers, data acquisition, crew chiefs, shock specialists, etc.
Testing for you guys would be helpful but not at the cost for your level team.
The top guys have a lot of big sponsor money too
I think you guys should save the testing to "A" the big money races and "B" to the newer tracks that you have been to only once. That will save lap count on motors, but im sure it will help the setup book for that track. Race days and open practice is tough for setup work because the track changes so much in that short time. Kinda always chasing tail when it's like that and not making good notes. I love the way you guys just do you. Mad respect. Been watching since your second you tube episode and its crazy how far you all have come. Dont change! The HTF crew is amazing and thanks for doing what you guys do.
I totally agree that’s exactly what I said. I don’t watch hunt the front because they win all the time I watch Hunt the front because it’s awesome entertainment, and their Christians. That’s the only reason they need to do whatever they feel happy doing that’s all that matters to me I can care less one way or the other. I’m still gonna keep watching. To be honest, I don’t watch anybody else and I don’t watch dirt track racing because I’m a big huge fan. I’m a fan of hunt the front. Glory to GOD!
You need a shock sponsor to help with testing
I'm pretty sure you could have skipped saying " you don't watch because they win all the time " Captain Obvious .
Interestingly, being ex-Christian myself, I watch HTF _in spite_ of the fact that they are Christians. But HTF doesn't constantly non-consensually proselytize in front of the camera the way a majority of religious folks do, so I don't mind giving them my patronage. If you keep your personal religion and politics in private, and you like racing, we'll get along just fine.
Attend chassis setup seminars?
I just made a comment about that, without knowing the extent of what Joseph actually knows and capable of. I know he does seem to be the only/main one that makes setup/adjustments with maybe an idea or tire decision with Jesse but that seems to be about it.
A good start is having someone as a "data clerk" to track every little piece of the operation for every track. Past and future there are so many things that go into making a good car (team)a great car (team)
I would ask Kevin Rumley I am sure they have some sort of a template they us for data recording.
@ToddRobinson13 They have data acquisition systems for on the car. I am talking about notes taking on car setup, tires, weather, track conditions, driver feedback, and so on.
I'm sure HTF has something. Temp, Barometric pressure, weather forecast, moisture content in track. So many variables and all it takes is a water truck to wreck someone's set up.
Try to find a trustworthy consultant to go through all shocks and springs and go to a few races with you or maybe a test ..the right guy can help a lot without the expense of a full time crew chief
Let’s be serious. You gotta start somewhere. Give them a break. It’s not easy. There’s other people having this same issue. Just not “televised” someone please tell me the W/L ratio to even some of the best racecar drivers vs hunt the front. How many years would it take you guys with Jos experience and equipment to win consecutive races. You can buy any car you want. You still gotta drive the bitch.
Years ago my engine builder told me "speed costs money 💰 how fast you wanna go"??
That why Nascar is a bunch of young punks mommy's and daddy's money
I think ‘testing’ is what ran Hudson off from 🚀 1. It’s no secret that Mark hazza Belicheck type work ethic. Not that it’s wrong,but I don’t think it set well with/Hudson.
I think maybe you all should’ve stayed with capital they were happening just saying I know longhorn was banging at the time by y’all had it going on with capital
How about no!!!
😂to test I don't think it helps much dirt changes through out the night puts more Wear on your stuff. Your doing fine
It's a lot different for the Carolina boys versus you guys due to location. The Fergusons and Cla Knight have 8 to 10 different tracks of different sizes and different surface characteristics within 2 hours of the shop. You guys don't necessarily have that luxury
The overwhelming majority of the people telling you how to run your “show” , couldn’t drive a duck to water .. for anyone to do what you guys have done , is an incredible achievement . Just be you , that’s why people watch .
I can drive the heck out of a digital car, but don’t say much anyway as far as suggestions go.
AGREED!!! It’s easy to criticize from the comfort of one’s couch
Podcast shows well what IT COSTS to do great! Keep pushing and win what you can when you can like the HTF SDS. You won't lose my support from here in Iowa.
Hey guys, Thank You for all your family does for dirt racing. Listened to your podcast. Seems like you have some really good equipment. Sometimes one might have to sit down and evaluate if what you have and can afford is good enough to beat the competition. Now I have no idea what the other teams run, Joseph and Jessie know how to get around the track. You definitely showed you can run with everyone at Eldora. Don’t think you’re very far off.
Judging by the looks of Joshua, Joseph and Jesse as Johnathan was talking about testing and a crew chief tells me they know folks are correct.
They don't need "ideas", they need money to pay for them
😂😂😂 looks on their faces… might want to talk to them first before deciding what they are thinking
The very top teams have two identical cars in the truck not one with their good engine and one with a not-so-good engine. Plus they likely have couple top-tier spare motors in the cabinet. Probably a shock dyno and half-dozen sets of shocks. Most of the commenters have ZERO idea how much work/cost this stuff is.
Cherokee Speedway charges $900 to rent track
For what 10 laps? 😂
HTF is coming to the place to mama warned you about
Find a chassis guy and let him go over your set up. Your engines seem to be good you just don't get around the track as good as you should. Should not cost you a lot and what you learn will pay off in spades.
So you can't afford to test , can't afford a crew chief, can't really afford tires and motor wear ? How do you plan to get faster ? A lot of the people who make comments are invested in your success because you invited them ! I know it ruins my day when you guys run like crap ! And your series is getting pretty competitive ! How can you get mad about people having an opinion when you make money off of showing them most of what you do ?
Even if you test it's never the same on race nite
It cost as much to test as u would for a weekend race plus track conditions not same as race day so is it worth it I say no
All these escalating costs is the result of trying to turn a hobby sport into a professional regional and national sport, instead of keeping it at the level of a local weekly track.
Testing is good if you got a lot of money testing is not cheap!!!!!!!!!!!!
Respectfully, you still need a crew chief to make testing meaningful
The way i see it. it is worth the investment to test say 5 grand to test a year maybe ya can win it back .
With all of the variables in dirt tracks -- length, banking, radius of curves, length of straights, composition of dirt, etc., I don't see the value of doing much testing unless you're looking for something specific with a new part, steering setup, etc. Of course, who's to say the track will be prepared anything like it would be for a race day?
So many crew chiefs available in the comments, just pick one lol. Testing is a great idea but like Joseph says, what are you testing, it would have to be something setup wise, new shocks / suspension setup / equipment. You know this though. What about setup help from Longhorn?
I would think that the cost overrides everything else. Practice and chance ruining a 50k engine. Not ideal. I would see about a consulting fee situation. For the level of drivers you drew to your series is no joke. Maybe get a modified to race on your of time and more 604 races. You said it. Those top guys are racing 3 or 4 times a week in something or other. Hard to beat guys that drive a race car more hours a week than you drive anything all week.
Without a crew chief, there will be no season 3 😁 that might make him more affordable! 😉 🤔
Run laps up on your motor for testing then have to pull it and get it back and have to test all over again because tuning and set up go hand in hand
The problem i believe with testing is the information you get is only good for that track that day because dirt tracks change by the hour.
Testing a few times a year to try things out of your comfort zone. The more you try, the more you learn.
Does Longhorn have a chassis setup school? Does anyone?
I’m just an armchair fan, part-time racer via iRacing. I know very little about setups, but the fact y’all bring testing up, and talk about it is a good step forward.
One other thing. Aero, you guys had a podcast on this subject. I notice little thing certain drivers do to the bodies. Like that big curve on the right side on Overton’s sheet metal. Like a giant air scoop, that’s shaped like a dozer blade.
Yes there are setup schools or at least 1 that I've seen, if not many more. Don't know what the manufactures do/have, but if you follow Tim Nash on Ole No 7 Garage he and his brother in-law Gary Gross went to one couple or so months ago (Gary's 2nd time going), but I can't remember the name of it. They filmed the trip there and the non-classroom stuff during it, but not the actual class part itself. Felt people should do like they did and pay to go to the school like everyone else. Not sure how good they are but they are there.
If you were going to test it would be best for you to go in with Trent I've and rent Cherokee Speedway and test setups and gear ratios there since you have a big money HTF race there later this year and it gets dry slick most of the time 99%
I'm way late to the conversation. Testing is great if you can afford it, but for people without a cubic dollar budget, the answer is race more. You won't get as many clean laps, but how often do you have clean laps in racing? How often is the track going to be the same condition?
At least when you're doing more racing, you'll get something if you make the show. There's no pay window at a test. You're putting laps on the equipment either way and you can still wall a car while testing.
Out of all that money you have to have a EMS and Fire Department there before you test too!
You do you. I have no help for you.
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Could you get a crew chief to go testing for one day. Have them set up different test ideas?
I feel, just my opinion with no skin in the game, that it'd be a benefit to have someone from Longhorn come test with you for a day or two. Whether that's feasible or not I don't know. You have ran into a ton of bad luck lately which is contributing to the results. Also it might need to go to a one car team instead of tossing Jesse in a Super so you're fully committed? Once again my opinion, I'm still watching you guys and love the content. Good Luck this year.
Joey isn’t high in enough position in DLM racing to get LongHorn out there to test with them
@@JJ-1-1 for a price I'm sure they'd find the time.
Joshua could you reduce the winners purse to pay for a practice night? $10k to 9k Friday , 20k to 19k Saturday, maybe run something like that at a drivers meeting to gauge interest?
HTF Team is the original organic makeup that makes viewers return and defend.
Truth. Testing to know. How yall feel about NASA 13 years with no product want 5 billion in addition to 2025 budget? 13 years × $450M/mission $5.85B to fund racing all types😂
Joe says don't start with him. 😂
Using LOGIC!!! Probably 99.5% have no idea what they are talking about ... also these are the same experts of NASCAR too!!! Testing is used for new parts or configurations (thought), custom parts and if they can be adjusted in; also testing in race condition for the thought of "type" of track.
The people making those comments don’t realize there’s about 4 different types of budget classes in Super racing. You have local guys that just afford the stuff that race at a couple tracks against other locals with older equipment. Regional, where you stay in your area, race at more tracks, have a couple volunteers on the crew, somewhat new equipment. Traveling lite, where you try and travel with the top series but don’t have a crew chief but some crew members and the equipment to complete. Then the top that has it all plus more. Idk if it’s yall being on UA-cam or what it is with these fans but they think yall are in that top portion and it’s just not possible to do if you run with a certain budget, even if the talent is there. 12 years ago I could run with Billy Moyer Jr at certain tracks with his full crew and it just me, my dad, and one helper, but other places I couldn’t as the budget started to shine.
Good point. People are also forgetting that beyond Jordan, everyone else on that team has video/series management responsibilities for internet content (twitch gaming, patreon vids and a podcast) as well as a small crew race team - since HTF's other enterprises are key to funding the team in general, there's only so much they can do. You're dead on, people make assumptions, but all of this is work and I'm sure their families, as involved as they are have needs as well. :) Good discussion. I remember the first time I saw Billy Moyer, back in the transition to wedge cars from stock late models, competing on a budget has always been a huge issue in dirt track late model racing. That struggle could fill a book.
We see that with the USMTS stuff up here. A couple local favorites put on a clinic when they come to town. But it's good for the series and good for the local fans that full the seats.
Go Back to a Capital.
Go Back to an Open trailer
Go Back and do more local races
Go Back to things being simple
Go Back to Enjoying racing
Seems if you dont have a spare Million dollars up your sleeve, to waste every season,Whats the point, And whats the end goal here?
Wouldnt you be better off winning 10x $2500 features a season, Than 0 $25,000 features a season.
You guys have come a long way. Keep up whatever you've been doing so far. However...$$$$... get more and bigger sponsors, then buy better stuff.
I just want to say that every driver and team have off races where they don't perform or finish well. The track is NEVER GOING TO BE THE SAME TWICE even if y'all went to test, it's still a roll of the dice and a gamble and it's going to cost unless you get a huge boost from sponsors and the sponsors cover the cost instead of it coming out of y'all's pockets!!! Something to think about. And that's just my opinion. I know Clay Millican with his top fuel team have tons of sponsors that allow him to test and have multiple motors and parts and if it wasn't for the sponsors,he wouldn't be as good as he is but even with his testing and crew chief,he still has times where the car just doesn't work or go as fast as it's capable of going. Just keep on keeping on and being y'all. It will get better. Promise!!!🏁🏆🏁💞🤗💞🌟🌟
It's the dollar guys you can see it in the top cars they have big $ sponsors I have been following you guys for 4 years and you have done great.
Everyone has an opinion or is the Expert. But then they have to spend their own MONEY. And just like that ALL Talk and no action when they have to spend their money. Keep digging!!🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
It's hard living where you guys do because surface plays a big part in it. You can be dialed in down there and come up north where I'm from and be out to lunch!!!!! I'm a full believer in the more money you have the easier it is to get faster. You guys have come leaps and bounds in the last 2 yrs. Also I think u guys r doing it right. Ya won't get any better beating up on the local guys. Keep chasing big races and keep taking notes. If ya can't out money them..... OUT WORK THEM!!!!
The big teams could afford to test, the little guys could not ! It's dirt racing, I think to keep things fair. You go to a race, hot laps, qualify and race !!! Period, Don't even listen to the the you should's !!!!!!
Jesse needs to ask RTJ what sort of things they look at when testing.
Joey, Joshua & Jessie All Look SO TIRED! Poor Guys, Babies and Race Cars 🤔😂
Yeah you guys really need to just hire a bunch of dudes to get that car running and maybe then Joseph will finish WAY BETTER than 2nd in points 😂😂😂 such a bunch of slackers.
Let me start off by saying that I love the whole HTF Team/Family!!! I offer up one possible alternative to what was discussed in this video. I believe that Donnie Moran offers his time and facilites (for a price) up in southern Ohio to help educate racers on how to step up their respective racing program. I saw it in an interview with his son, Devin, a year or two ago with "The History Mystery Man". Please do not take my word for it, but give Donnie Moran a call and find out what he can offer you and what it will cost. It seemed like it lasted for a couple 2-3 days and he explains why teams do the things that they do to improve speed and performance. Possibly a lot of your viewers would be willing to chip in $20 a piece to help with the cost. I would be willing to do that for sure. Best Wishes!!!
Testing on dirt. How can that be consistent? When dirt changes with the weather conditions. What’s the cost? (Track rental, engine wear, crew pay, fuel cost) is it worth the purse your racing for? It all cost money. Me as a spectator going to watch a 4 hour’s of entertainment. I don’t see the benefit of the price of admission. Cause, the admission is getting out of my income range. I’ll just get my fix at watching ya’ll on UA-cam. Keep up the great work. And Jessie. Where’s that baby?
Yall need to watch your race from senioa September 18th 2020 for motivation.
There really only a select number of teams that can afford to pay a top notch crew chief. Jimmy Owens hasn’t done much since he lost Cody when Jimmy won the championship in 2021. He is fast at times, but reliability is an issue.
If I were to ever win Powerball or Mega Millions, the first thing I would do, is to build a Dirt Late Model team. I would also donate money to the purses. These people work their asses off, and they deserved to be paid. I’m 55 and have been around racing since I was born. I love racing and know what it takes to work on a race car.
I made this comment once before a week ago il say it again. You boys are doing great. You all are still newish to the top level in super. Like people don't realize that you boys are going up against established race teams with decades behind them. This is what your second or third year as a full on competitive super team. So what I see I'm impressed. I'm almost 40 and I've grown up in racing. Never made it racing to late models but I worked on a super team in the Lucas series when I was younger. Again what people are expecting out of y'all takes time hell years. Most don't make I'm one. But you boys keep doing what you know stay focused and for heaven sake enjoy the ride I love it. God bless.
I’m not going to say get a crew chief because idk yalls finances. What I will say is idk why yall are racing more. These guys on tour have ran probably 20 races by now and they have so many laps on their car they know what it needs to go faster. Just seems yall are constantly playing catch up and I’m afraid it’s really going to show on the HTF series because take tonight for example. Half dozen of the regulars for HTF series is racing with Lucas getting better and better. Y’all are running 604 or 602 with Jesse which is fine but does that benefit the team in the big picture? I mean what are the goals here? I seriously wanna see yall succeed a ton!
I Not A expert in Racing but all Top teams in any Racing have $$$$ behind them it's all money no doubt u guys have a driver Joseph that is up there with best I think u be better spent on equipment u guys no what u doing 💯 but who am I to say just my opinion love your work HTF TEAM 🏁
I'm sure these people who comment that will happily DO IT FOR FREE 😂
Idk if you should let em though
Those same people gave you views who cares what they think I enjoy watching you. I enjoy arguing with the crybabies in the comments but I don't really care what they think. Let's be honest NONE of those people will say anything to your face or even know what they are talking about or they'd be driving a super late model.
I think you guys need a “brain” of the operation… like, i assume someone is doing this off screen, but, more, track temps, air temp, humidity, setup down to the conditioon of the body.. and results… and putting it ALL together… testing, and what the testing did, in that temp, humidity, ect…
Also, can we not call capital and tell them you need a car with a little more right steering..? Get on the phone with them….
I sometimes think you guys listen to MY comment… maybe me and 1000 others say the same thing…?
I'm a long-time follower of the channel, I enjoy the content and the racing. I'd really like to see you have more success against the Overtons, Erbs, Fergusons, Hedgecocks and other "tour teams" and your so close some nights! This may have already been answered and I missed it. Are there schools/classes/seminars available on chassis set-up and tuning? If so, does it make sense for one or two of your current team members to attend such training? It seems to me you don't have to be an "engineer" to learn how to set up cars it's a matter of learning the in's and out's of making adjustments and getting the car/chassis in balance. I may be over-simplifying things and at the same time it may be a way to make that next step without having to spend time, effort and money find and hire a crew chief.
Its all about time and money management to be successful in any race program. It's pretty crazy even in the lower classes now. Hopefully still having fun.
You have to test when your a team like y’all have. Y’all show up on race day and don’t really no how to setup for changing track conditions. That’s not a knock on y’all it’s hard to learn when you run 1 night a week or every 2 weeks. You have the best equipment now so you should be serious about winning or running top 5 . It’s not much fun being a field filler or getting start money. Joesph is as good of a driver as most of the top 10 guys. So it’s not his driving. He can’t drive it if it’s not hooked up. Like last weekend getting lapped.That’s were Testing will pay dividends. You test to learn. Make changes on the front , the rear, air pressure,stagger everything on car and see what it does to it. Long Horn gives you a baseline. It’s up to y’all to go from there. You can’t show up at a track and hope you luck up and get the setup.Everybody’s to good now for guessing . You got to no what changes to make. Y’all are either really good or really bad. There’s no middle ground. Y’all have to get that knowledge from testing and quit talking and asking other teams because they will lie and have you so screwed up you can’t get out of your own way. Y’all should be running top 10 every week with all the parts and pieces y’all have now. You’ll never be front runners unless you test and learn from it each lap .Testing will pay for its self in winnings if it’s done with a purpose and not just ride in circles. Every one wants to see Joesph running up front and winning and he can he has the talent run with those guys. Test Test Test
Host 5 or 6 HTF testing session for you and other teams. Have the other teams agree for you to video and create content for UA-cam and Huntthefront TV. Make your money off of the content and pay for the testing that way. Or maybe get a sponsor for those videos. Easy for me to say because I have no idea how to create anything on UA-cam and I do not have my own racing series or television streaming platform or a race car. I drive a 2015 Honda Accord, watch your videos and now I think I am a genius!
Better figure out how to squeeze out some of the UA-cam money and find you another guy JJ can bounce ideas off of. That's what you're missing!! Admit it you need some help at the race track. If you guys don't at least top ten your loyal fans will move on to the next guy. Testing is for shaking down a new car or getting a new driver some laps. You need race conditions to really learn anything..
Most of the guys who are commenting have NO IDEA what is involved in what you guys are trying to do. Testing is great BUT the money meter is running..... I know testing is important but until you can get a bona fide crew chief I am not sure that the expense is going to result in more money at the pay window. Just my opinion
Hello gents! The only thing I have is, race more than you do. I don’t know if testing is the answer but I do know that seat time always helps! Starting sooner in the season and running more consistently. Not taking all this time off.
I doubt this will be seen by HTF, but I watched this vid about what you guys need to do to be better. Hiring a Crew Chief is not realistic and Testing can get expensive. I agree. But you can do more in your shop. I recommend getting set up plates from Hammond Motorsports and start doing more chassis setup in your shop. Both Front and Rear. I don't represent the business. But those are very useful to preparing your cars before ever heading to a Track. Just a suggestion.
Testing is where you can throw the kitchen sink at the car and see how it reacts. Want to try something totally off the wall and see how the car reacts? Testing is the time to do it. Bar angle, ride height, bird cage angle, pinion angles, spring / shock combinations, weight percentages, anything. You can learn a lot in testing you can't learn racing. If you spend a full day you can test various combinations across changing track conditions and then have that information available when you're actually racing. Pages and pages of notes and numbers. Write everything down. All that information travels with you and when you're actually racing and track is going slick, taking rubber, etc and the car feels a certain way you'll have good information what combination worked and what didn't work. It's not a cheap day or two but making a couple big shows because you knew what to do with the car instead of just guessing can pay for that day.
The largest problem what you are not understanding is that we the viewers keep seeing you all scratching your heads when the track changes.
Would an experienced crew chief be benificial....yes and no.......yes only if they have specific knowledge of the chassis and tracks that you are running on........If they do not have this experience than they are as useless as Jesse picking at his beard(sarcasm) when he has no input as to what changes will benefit the car for the changing track conditions.
Ultimately the team has changed chassis twice since i began watching your journey. Changing chassis is like learning an entire new language. Learning these changes are exactly where you all are at least in my opinion failing. You need two setup books. One book for track information........what works, what does not and what you needed to do to chase the track changes. The second book is your racing base book. This second book is the important book and even after all your videos I personally have not seen you all even attempt to figure out the Capital and now the Longhorn chassis. You need to understand what every hole and adjuster on the chassis does to the car on the track from one extreme to the other. Start with the left front and continue around the car until you know what each and every hole does individually. Caster/Camber/Toe-in Toe-out/4-Link positions/J-bar/ect ect ect. Is it going to take some time to do this yes, but at the end when you have this information you will know what to specifically do when you see the track is tightening or loosening up as the night goes on. You can go to this book and review it and know that this move tightened the car up on a moderate slick track or this move allowed the car to rotate quicker or slower. These are just examples. Right now you all are making wholesale adjustments and just hoping you guessed correctly. Why guess? Guessing is only wasting time. Figure out what does what and put it in the book for reference. Shock adjustments are your fine tuning adjustments. I see you all adjusting shocks like they are going to make monster changes in how the car runs. They do not. They fine tune the chassis.....Get the car close with bar movements and than fine tune it by adjusting the shocks.
Reading comments and comprehending them are two different things. When I got out of crewing on race cars some 20+ years ago we did the same thing. Test the extremes and learn to adjust the cars. Yes the cars have changed a ton, but the one thing that has not changed is the teams that put in the time to learn their chassis are also the teams that win more consistently. I am not here trying to bash your operation or honestly JJ's talent. I want to see you optimize what you have and succeed on the track. Take the time and test, but don't just test to say you tested.
Since y'all are not a fully funded race team I would say you should just try to make sure Joseph is getting time in the car. Make your schedule subject to change and hit local tracks or smaller events instead of constantly trying these major events that get rained out. I know y'all are working hard to make things work, pay the bills, ect. Keep doing what you do but the more Joseph is in that car running no matter where it is, will make a big difference in better results. Look at the years y'all won these big events for example. You were racing a lot of races those years.
They don’t need a crew chief! Just need to set the car up better. They are close. Just missing some Fine Tuning. And the Woo and Lucas fellas get Waaaaayyy more testing time.
I don't know if this would work... Maybe along with splitting the cost with another team, you could take the merch trailer with you and have a combined test session and meet and greet. Helping to offset some of the cost.
I know when either Supers touring series is in the East Tn area, someone is always testing before or after at another track within an hour drive. 411, Smoky Mtn., I-75, Bulls Gap, Tazwell.
No way Joseph I don't believe if testing to get faster on a upcoming tract paying 10k or 15k looks like to me it would be beneficial
Some of our tracks up north have test nights. Might not get but 5-6 runs but it will help build that note book. Some tracks are similar so some of that information can help you get your setup close. At least you'd have a starting point and adjust from there.
I think testing is important beginning of the year especially with new equipment just for reliability.
Yall are doing good without one. Would a good crew chief help sure but you run small tracks usually Joseph wins
Laps to get it right are limited at some events. You do so good some nights and struggle so much other nights. I know its not always your night, but what could help you do better at the tracks you struggle at. Most people say more laps. Keep racing full seasons and you will get the laps without specifically testing. Then call that experience nod and say yup
Yes I do agree with testing. But at the same time it cost money to test. Renting the track, the expensive gas for the car and the totorhome, the tires. N I mean I only see people out testing before the season is about to start weather permitting. And maybe before a big event. But everything has to line up. But I swear alot of guys take the notes and set up and from the last time they were at that track as like a base set up and start there. I think alot of it is making changes to the car. Everyone has bad nights. I love watching you guys. I know this is long but ignore the negative. You guys are doing great, I just wish Jesse would stop hitting things so we would be able to see him race more lol haha. 😂good luck fellas
Test for different set ups try everything an anything you will definitely see a different. Take notes you guys will get it down with different set ups. I watched Jesse an joesph in the corners u can use some camber in the right front shim the top A- frame I think ur over using the right front. I'm not a perfeshional but what is it going to hurt u might be surprised.