ASTROPHOTOGRAPHY With The CANON R5: How's The Noise, & 5D4 Comparison
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Here's the second part of that test, that I forgot to mention in detail, about the noise over time due to long exposures:
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Thank you very much Brent for this comparison... pretty much what I was waiting for!
I just want to thank you for showing me I can take a picture of the milky way with my s20. You're awesome!!!
Thanks man, glad I could help!
Nice video! I look forward to your R6 comparison as well!
Thanks Eric!
Also very excited to see the R6 comparison!
I have both the 5D Mark IV (which I love) and a new R5. I also have an iOptron SkyGuider Pro tracker. If you were going out to shoot Milkyway with the tracker and a 14mm f2.8 Rokinon lens and could only take one camera, which would it be? My 5D4 has a Battery Grip for extra batteries but my R5 doesn't, if that would make a difference.
“light me up, we got a video to film“ 😂 just awesome. Great video
Many thanks! 😀😁
Hey man, have you (or could you) post the 17 RAW files and any dark files you got for that 45mm shot so we can play with them as well? I'd love to see that in person and run it through my own processing routine to see how the resulting file holds up
I am re watching R5 videos finally got it yesterday 😊😊 you are fully responsible for me enjoying r6 r7 and now R5 hoarding gear 😂😂
Oh nice! I'm sure you'll love it 😁
Trick question with R5 -- 16mm F4 or 35mm F1.8 lens? Hmmmm. Going to try some interval timer star field this weekend.
Cool Video! Any thoughts about shooting astro with and EVF vs the OVF on the 5D4?
Oooh, no, I hadn't even thought of trying that, lol.
You did a great job here Brent .. great comparisons and I’m impressed with the noise levels on the r5 from your images
Thanks man! I'm definitely happy with how it handles the high iso so far!
Thanks for that test. I'm also still waiting for proper skies and will soon head into the mountains for some night photography. Till now I was confined to the office with my tests most of the time. I did some hot pixel tests with very long exposures (several Minutes) and found there the R5 is not very good. But I'm thankful that you didn't notice the heat problem with timelapses and multiple shots of medium exposure time.
BTW: My R5 does not release the shutter when I am in the interval mode? Did you use the Interval on the camera or an external trigger? Just curious.
cheers
No, I used an external trigger because my R5 does not work in interval mode either. I'm gonna make a video about it very soon.
@@BrentHall ok, hope we get a Firmware update soon. There are quite a few Bugs to solve. Cheers
Are you using back button focus? If so, try restoring focus to the shutterbutton for interval mode.
@@KoenKooi Ok, I will try - thanks. hope they fix this though, because I always use back-button focus with my cameras ;-)
@@KoenKooi I tested it. Thanks for the workaround, this indeed fixes it for now :-)
Great, thanks Brent. So, was your conclusion, albeit subjective and unscientific , that the R5 high ISO performance was slightly better than for the 5D (I think I recall someone from Canon Saying the improvement was around a stop)? Also, you mentioned briefly that you were not getting any overheating of the R5 during long time lapses. Is that still your experience?
I do think that it's a little better so far, though I don't think I'd say it was a full stop better. Idk though, I haven't tested it enough to really say that yet. Yeah, I saw no increase in noise from the beginning to the end of the timelapse, so it didn't heat up enough to have a perceptible increase in noise.
Wow🤩🔝
really good video, it help a lot gathering some valuable information. Would you say one can achieve as good astroshots with R5?
Thanks! Yeah, I think that just behind the R6, the R5 is the best Canon camera I've ever used for astro.
Hi Brent, Thank you for the video. I was wondering, did you make a video on the editing of the final result you got with this image (from the raw stacked to the crisp clear final edited image) ? Thank you for your time.
I didn't do one for that image, but I did a full edit video for the green and chai tea channel memberships for the image I took in the next video, which is a very similar milky way image with a focus stacked foreground.
@@BrentHall Thank you Brent, I'm not too sure how to find this video but I will try.
thanks! I have a 5D iv and am thinking of getting an R5 and have a number of Tamron lenses ;-)
So far my R5 is doing great with all of my tamron lenses! 😁
@@BrentHall thanks, really good to know. I shoot concerts and was waiting for a stabilized 85mm out of Canon. Gave up and got the Tamron, and ended up getting 4 more.
Are you using any filter? Do you have any filter recommendations for an R5 for a beginner in astrophotography
Nope, no filter for those shots.
Hi are you using an astrotrak for your stacks ? Thanks and Nice job Georges
Not for any of those I didn't. They were all static on the tripod. I've made some videos with shots from my telescope, which were tracked images.
Where do you shoot your astrophotography? Do you have a favorite place in NM?
This video was shot about 15 minutes from my house, just outside Silver City. Idk if I have a favorite place in NM for astro, there's so many! I guess I do really like the Gila and the cosmic campground. I also really like City of rocks and rockhound state parks for astro. I have many videos and astro images from those places.
Hey what’s up like your video. I just when to know if we can put they same lens an dslr and an miroless
The rf system has an rf to ef adapter to use ef lenses.
Thanks a lot for your video, Brent!
Are you going to test the R6 with astrophotography too? I‘m thinking about buying the R6 for daily use, but also for astrophotography, since NEOWISE made me really interested in stuff like this.
I really would appreciate your advise, because I‘m struggling between the Sony A7iii and the R6.
Greetings from germany!
Hey Phil, thanks for the kind words, I'm glad the video helped! I'll definitely be testing the R6 as well. I'm hoping my pre-order should be here on the 31st, so not much longer now. I'll probably test it against the R5 for astro stuff as well as on it's own. Don't have any Sonys though, so I couldn't say how it'll do against that.
Wow, thanks for the fast response! I didn‘t expected an answer THAT early!
That sounds good. I‘m definitely waiting for that video with great pleasure. I‘ve thought about the R5 too, but since I‘m not interested in 8K and the price tag is more than 2k€ more than the R6, I‘m going to take either the A7iii or the R6 (and I‘ve read, that fewer megapixels (in comparison to the 45MP with the R5) shouldn‘t be a cons for astrophotography. No, it should be a pro because of reduced image noise, but hey, that‘s only the theory).
I‘ll be looking for that video and now you got a new follower!
You bet man! I try to answer everyone's comments, well all the legit ones anyway, and definitely the quality ones (like yours). Yeah, in theory the R6 should possibly have slightly better high iso performance than the R5, but so far my R5 has been quite good with low light, so we'll see. But like you said, if you don't need all those megapixels then the R6 will probably do it for most people, as I'm pretty sure it shares the same sensor as the 1DX3, which is great. Also, I appreciate the kind words and the sub!
do you get a lot shake with the tripod you use with a long lens...if not what tripod is it?
Depends on the lens, and the tripod. Sturdier is definitely better for long lenses. I have some of the tripods I use in the video description.
Do you thing the 45mp sensor will make the 500 rule not good enough? Maybe turn it down to 400/FL or even 300/FL?
It certainly couldn't hurt to do that. But so far it's been fine for me with the 500.
@@BrentHall that's great!
the noise looks VERY similar, not like much progress either.
I would be interested to see the same image size (downscale R5 image to 5D4 size) and then compare noise.
Yeah, it does look similar to me too, but I don't think that's a bad thing, as I've always been happy with the 5D4 noise, comparatively speaking. At least, to me, it's not bad, and there's no banding in the shadows or horrible color noise. I thought about scaling the R5 image down, but I felt like that would introduce more sharpening so I didn't do it.
Bro can i ask. how can you record timelapse with astrophotography 🤔🤔or is it normal in your country? and why it is visible?
You just have to get away from light pollution. I'm lucky to live in the mountains in sw New Mexico where there are very few people and some of the darkest skies in the country.
Would an a7r Iv have way more detail than a regular 24mo camera?
Idk, I've never used a Sony camera before. I've heard good things about it though.
FYI the 500 was created in time of low resolution sensors (eg 18MP). If you want pin sharp, it's more around 300 rule ;) You have an actual equation but that's the idea
Yeah, that's the word on the street, or so I've been told...about a million times now. :P
Have you done any tracked work and if so do you find the colour detail comes out a bit clearer?
I've only done one tracked shot since I got the R5 and R6. It came out nice, but I don't recall any better color detail. Hopefully I'll do some more soon, with my new telescope.
I find the colour data at high iso’s gets a bit washed out. My suspicion is that sensor gain boosts luminance sensitivity in a way that isn't unparalleled in colour data (especially red within the bayer pattern) .
Nonetheless, I am excited to try some shots when the skies clear. Happy shooting and wishing you clear skies wherever you are.
Hmm, I could possibly get behind that. I'm definitely looking forward to getting my new telescope set up and doing some better images with the R5 and R6 on it. I pretty much always have clear skies here in sw New Mexico. 😁
'heat'... written in your title. Did you do an analysis of heat as an impact to noise/image quality?
Okay, so that was my bad. (This might be a long answer). So I'll fix the title and put up another quick video about that specifically. Basically, yes I did test that, but for some reason, in typical Adobe fashion, Premiere was giving me hell rendering out this video yesterday. I spent 8 hours and tried fixing it like 47 times before I got it rendered. During that time I had to keep cutting parts out and I realize now that was one of those parts. I guess I just got so scatter-brained and frustrated with the render that I didn't do a good final watch through. Anyways, I'll post another video here soon, but basically I took the first and last image from the almost 2 hour long astrolapse and compared them and saw no increase in noise, so again not the most scientific experiment, but from my experience so far, it's not an issue. At least it wasn't an issue for me because it never got hot enough for there to be a perceptible increase in the noise.
@@BrentHall no worries... I thought I missed it but skipping through it again I couldn't find it ;-)
Good to know it doesn't make a difference. However, I'm not sure this is an entirely good thing as the sensors are always at 30°C or so, I wished they could cool them with a peltier element or so but this wouldn't fit the compact package
I just re-filmed that part, editing now and will upload later.
@@BrentHall , many thanks, I'll check it out!
Are you seeing any thermal noise on the R5?
I just posted a video about that this morning. Short answer is no, I haven't experienced that yet.
Hi Brent, i have the R5 and the 5DM4, too. At the moment i shoot with der R5 with RAW and JPEG parallel. In my opinion the JPGs are cleaner at higher ISO (no noise reduction in R5) than the DNG file. You can test it. DNG is at the moment not the best for the R5.
That's interesting, I'll definitely have to check that out!
Brent Hall I dont now why, normaly i work only with RAW, but at begin test it with JPGs, because the DNG files are not very well of the Beta Converter 12.4 beta.
Yeah, I don't like having to use the dng converter either. Hopefully Adobe will release a photoshop update for new camera files soon.
Brent Hall me too, every day i looking if there ist a new Camera Raw Version 12.4,... we must wait 😂🍀
NPF rule.
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