CENTRALIA MINE FIRE - More Evidence of Where It's Burning Today (Pennsylvania)
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- More people than not know about or have heard of the Centralia Mine Fire and it's probably the most well known mine fire in the country, but is it still burning? The fire started back in 1962 and nearly 61 years later, there's evidence that the fire still burns to this day. The fire moved out from under and away from the town following the mined out tunnels and veins of coal and it now burns south & east of Centralia. There's lots of speculation as to which direction the fire is headed and if this is even the original fire, but whatever you may think, this video gives us more evidence that a fire burns underground just on the outskirts of the former town. Also joining me in this video is @rj78productions88.
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Do you think the steam is coming from the original Centralia Mine Fire or a separate fire?
I think its the original fire, since the coal vein was probably deep and I'm sure branched off somewhere. I could be wrong, just my thoughts. Great video!
could be moving a direction.
You should get a thermal camera
Great question. I would bet my savings that it’s still the original fire burning
@@WolfWelder69yes, great call. I +1 this 👌🏻
Hey JP, my grandpa was a driller for Sprague & Henwood and later on worked for himself and had been a subcontract driller on later stages and was one of the drillers involved in installation of monitoring wells and sampling. Several drilling contractors were involved in the project over the years, quite honestly whoever had a rig and crew available initially. Most boreholes were done with rotary rigs (typically used for water wells) but there was some geotech borings done to attempt to map out the coal seams to better predict the path of the fire, these would have mostly likely been backfilled with concrete or grout and would have been core drilled to retrieve coal and bedrock samples. These would have been no larger than 4" in diameter and only concerned with determining what material is below surface. The monitoring wells you're seeing are much larger than those that would have been done for geotech work. Probably started at a 6" or 8" diameter. Probably with something like a T-3 rotary drill, possibly even old cable tool rigs like a 22-W. I can see that on several the hole had been reduced in diameter several times giving it a stepped look, looks like mostly 6" casing reduced to 4" then sealed with a welded plate. This tells me that they carried a 6" hole to a void or shaft, reduced to 4", and carried the hole deeper at this smaller diameter, or perhaps drilled it 5" and set 4" casing all the way to the bottom afterwards. Seeing several plates broken off from the 6" or 8" larger casing tells me the ground is shifting dramatically so maybe the 4" casing is all the way to the bottom and larger casing simply to top of bedrock. As for the numbering system, T usually would stand for "test" and S for "sample" but it honestly depends on the engineers involved, but two different systems of numbering tells me the drilling was done in two stages. The initial drilling was done with the purpose of pumping water and concrete down to stop the fire, the all have probably been done for monitoring purposes. Roads would have been made in with dozers and built right before the drill rigs were brought in. Chances are as the rigs drilled, the dozer was off making the road to the next location. If you'd like more detail and to discuss speculation I'd be happy to help.
Thank you for the detailed information
Yes. Very interesting indeed. Thanks for sharing 💪🏻
Hoping a video can be done with you
Has anyone mapped out what's burnt/burning/left to burn/ likely hood to burn? I see the test wells so they must have a idea where it is at, but a thermal map would be neat to see the entire area, side scroll of it, 3D if possible.
Wow that's interesting
We go hiking in Centralia frequently and discovered evidence over the past year that there is still fire burning places on the east side of town where it was known to be in the 70's.
On Sunday we walked in the fenced in "exclusion zone" east of Locust and saw that the open bore hole in the middle of this area was warm to the touch and warm air coming up from it as well as the tell-tale rotten-egg smell. My glasses fogged up when I looked down the pipe. I don't recommend walking in this area because of the high risk of ground subsidence.
Wonder if much of that area will become a sink hole in the future.
Awesome Centralia revisit JP! Great seeing you and RJ finding the hot spots! Such a interesting place! Thanks for bringing us along on the adventure!
Glad to see people still making videos on this topic.
Great video. I love the Centralia videos. I have seen most of them more than once. Thank you for taking us along, JP.
Glad you enjoyed it
Thanks for the adventure. Your information is very helpful for us to understand what has happened and is still happening in that area.
My pleasure
Great video Jay, I enjoyed it so much as I always enjoy all of your videos 💙💙
Thank you for all you do, I appreciate you and all the work you put into your vids 💙💙
Take care, stay safe and warm out there!!!
Much love from South Carolina ❤️
May God bless you ❤️❤️
There is a place here in Australia called burning Mountain. It's estimated to have been burning for around 6000 years. So I wouldn't be surprised if we never see Centralia ever stop burning.
New Straitsville mine fire in Ohio has been burning since the 1880s.
You always put out awesome videos JP and I enjoy watching them when I get a chance.
I appreciate that
Great video Jay, I enjoyed it so much as I always enjoy all of your videos 💙💙
Thank you for all you do
Great video. Been watching for information on this fire since the early 70’s. Thank you.
Excited to see how this video goes, always enjoy hearing about Centralia
You and RJ have the best adventures! Always fun to come along with you!
I first heard about the Centralia Mine Fire on the documentary series Life After People. This was the first time I'd ever heard of a town in the United States disappearing like that. It's a fascinating story, though I'm sad for the people who lost their homes.
What's really sad is those people did it themselves simply by burning their garbage in a pit! That's what started the first vein of coal on fire that is supposedly going to burn for the next 200 years. Imagine the feelings of guilt from whoever picked the location for their burn pit!
So interesting. I had never heard of this event till I saw on your channel. Thank you for all the time you put into your very colorful educational videos. And the great yt music choices. God Bless JPVideos.
The movie called Silent Hill was loosely based on the Centralia Pennsylvania mine fire JP. Awesome video as well as the editing.
The early games were inspired by Centralia. The movies are an adaptation of those.
Yup.
Fire down below talked about it as well I believe
Absolutely fascinating. I love exploring with you guys!
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Always love watching your footage and videos JP, hugs to ya🥰
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Same. It’s just been slowly burning it’s way along for the last ~60 years.
Back when I visited around 2000 or so (and for a time afterward) there was a very small website with an online message board, and some of remaining residents, and past residents, were members there. That place was a wealth of knowledge and information. I’ve searched, but don’t think it exists anymore. John Lokitis was one of the remaining residents, and he was a walking encyclopedia of everything Centralia.
essentially current youth are so enamored with their own selfish self importance that they have lost what Personal Sacrifice means! isnt their fault we let individuals get so powerful that they bend the will of Nations against the will of their peoples!
Great adventure JP! Had I not seen your first Centralia video long ago I probably would’ve never heard of it. Thank you 😊
Thanks!
I think all these videos about the mine fires are very fascinating. The fact that a fire can burn underground for that long is amazing. I love learning about it. Thank you for taking me with you on your journeys.
Glad you enjoy them. I find them fascinating as well.
There's one over in Australia that's been burning underground for something like 5000 years in a mountain of coal it produces it's own oxygen as it burns so as long as there's coal it'll burn
@@noodlelynoodle. Amazing to me how that works.
@@kamoonrathewolfgod9189 yeah it really is, just thinking about how much history has passed while that fire had just been burning away, I looked it up and it's actually been burning for at least 6,000 years which means it had been burning for 1500 years before even the pyramids were built. All our progress and civilizations and it's just been burning away
@@noodlelynoodle. I wonder how that one got started since it is so old.
Just uploaded something from Centralia myself! It was from last winter when there was actual snow on the ground, it was so cool to see how there wasn’t any snow on the areas with heat actively escaping!
Nice!
I live about five miles from centralia, I love these videos, When we were kids we would just go out there with a bunch of beer and have a party and not realize what was going on out there, we knew there was a mine fire, but didn't care much
I saw a documentary about centralia a while back, so sad for the people who lived there. There was one guy who didnt want to move. thx JP love your video's
My daughters in-laws lived in Laurel Run when the fire started in the 60s, I knew about it but it doesn't get mentioned as often as Centralia.
I was going to suggest a thermal imagining camera could be really interesting but I guess that's the new toy you mentioned right at the end. Good video.
I fought a brush fire in 1981 in Centralia. I also helped install an analyzer in the town. I went back in 1990 to see the block where I installed the analyzer and it was gone..!
I enjoyed watching your video. You know your way around Centralia, but I would not recommend that people wander through the area. Admittedly, I haven't been back to Centralia in a long while.
Been a while since I've had the chance to watch one of your videos (although I have been following you on FB), nice to see scruffy, RJ too :) As for the content, I find this fascinating and have done some reading on some of this, but at the same time, I've found there's THOUSANDS of these fires burning at any particular time across the world. Holy shite! I never knew it was that many! Great stuff, as usual, JP and I do remember the video with the sketchy pickup truck lol
You're right, there's many more mine fires burning than people realize. Thanks for checking in.
I just learned that myself, that there's thousands of these fires burning at any given time. Hard to believe! In the 1930s in the Gillette WY area, CCC workers--who normally did things like building parks and flood-control projects--were given the job of trying to put coal mine fires out.
Visited the area in September, was really cool to hike around. Didn't see any smoke but I was around where the fire burned early on
Great video awesome Explorer love these videos and history
The "something created by man" stone you found is clearly a survey marker. Most likely an important property corner between land owners. Some older surveyors in NEPA have refered to them as brownstones and/or cut stones. I can see there is also a somewhat flattened-out pile of stones around it as well. Often stone piles are created to mark property corners as well. Similar cut stones & stone piles are found all around PA. Some as large as that one, but many are smaller and sometimes burried. The flat top with a drilled hole is a dead giveaway. By the looks of that stone, its probably more than 100 years old and possibly much older. They would place a rod in the hole which would be connected to a chain to measure off of. -MoxieBella
U are spot on most people have no idea what these are when Thay see them I have one on my property recognized it the moment I saw it
The Ordnance Survey covered the UK in "trig points" made concrete with a brass top where they rested their theodolites.
The "something created by man" stone you found is clearly a survey marker. Most likely an important property corner between land owners. Some older surveyors in NEPA have refered to them as brownstones and/or cut stones. I can see there is also a somewhat flattened-out pile of stones around it as well. Often stone piles are created to mark property corners as well. Similar cut stones & stone piles are found all around PA. Some as large as that one, but many are smaller and sometimes burried. The flat top with a drilled hole is a dead giveaway. By the looks of that stone, it's probably more than 100 years old and possibly much older. They would place a rod in the hole which would be connected to a chain to measure off of. - Cole3363
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Great video! The entire Big Mine Run Road cliff has numerous hot spots when I used a thermal imaging device last year even in spots with no steam something to consider on your next video on Centralia. Also I recorded a thermal anomaly on the hill side between South and Poplar Street last year. It may be residual heat from when the fire was burning under the town. Rock is a great retainer of heat. The temperatures deep inside the mountain maybe as high as 1300-1400 deg F. I remember back in 2002 steam was all over that area.
Thanks for sharing your findings
centraliia fire was calculaated to burn for like 250 years, so it could be still fire
@@Luis-bo2uj Yes that is true but the fire is far from Centralia due to the lack of carbon monoxide
Awesome explore .....so much to enjoy . Even the trash dump was fun . Glad you and RJ were together and not wandering those woods alone .( I would have gotten so lost LOL...) Great work , guys . .....very interesting !
We ventured off much further than anticipated, but it made for some good findings. Thanks for exploring with us
Outstanding video. Finding all those pipes/vents. Cool stuff.
Thanks 👍
So cool ♡♡♡♡♡ i was just there not to long ago my self. Took a few pitures. Be safe and keep up ur awsome work jp.i alwase enjoy watching ur vids. Have a awsome 2023
Great Video Guys!
The Cement Marker is a old Surveyors marker. Probably a land marker and elevation marker.
My husbands aunt and uncle lived in Georgetown which is in Wilkes barre had a fire burning under their house for years and years they’re long one now they were the Pickett family. It always fascinated me to hear of the fires
There are multiple fires burning around the area one is on the other side of big mine run road another is on the mountain between Lavelle and Locust Gap
7:30 That's a survey marker. If you're measuring the land, you center your transit on that spot. It was probably level with the ground when it was installed and erosion has exposed it. My guess it that it's either the corner of a lot, or there's a mine nearby
With what looks like tailings right there, I bet if you did a slow pan of the hillside from that spot, there's probably a closed adit that was using that to keep straight
25:00 that's just what happens when you use stainless steel welding rod on mild steel. most of those "old trails" look like where the USGS or whoever was doing the survey just pushed a dozer though and made a pad to drill the boreholes. It would be really cool to see this area scanned with a LIDAR drone to make a map with no vegetation. it could see the fissures and the well heads though green tree cover. anything organic becomes transparent
It’s been a few years since I was in centralia , we found evidence that the fire was heading towards Mt Carmel . With all of the miles of underground tunnels it’s possible that it’s the same fire where you were exploring. Love seeing this.
It's a safe bet that it's the same fire
Wow...and the fire's path is heading for New Centralia.....Centralia's Fire Part II.
What road do you go on to see where the fire is heading?
I'm a Geologist. I drilled off a sulphide (copper sulphide) ore body in Chile that was on fire. It's hard to believe that stuff can catch fire, but it can. The mine was closed and flooded and yet it continued to burn.
The really interesting thing was that as we drilled the ore body at deeper and deeper depths, we'd notice that we'd hit cold water at the top of the water table, then it would become hot...like almost boiling hot at the elevation of the fire, then cold again below that. The most curious thing was how my Client figured they were going to make a buck re-opening that furnace. I have no clue as to that, but the paycheques were good.
I live just south of uniontown Pa. Just off Route 119 headed north is an underground mine fire that’s been burning for a long time.
There’s pipes in the ground above it venting smoke and steam
People who just moved here from out of state act like this is something new
I'm 63 and heard about this since I'm 9 years old!!! They probably can't ever stop it and even if they would they probably just want that land to build more warehouses
That Square stone you found looks like a really old survey monument.
I used to hiking w my old man when I was a kid. Loved it. Now I have kids. We’re gonna plan so hiking and biking trips this year. May have to head back out to laurel run with my kids this time
Mountain that was on fire you used to be able to see the glow of the fire at night cool video thank you for JP and RJ
I remember seeing smoke & steam everywhere along rt 61 back in the early 2000s.
Thanks for the talk and the walk......
I really enjoy these adventures. It's incredible to think of something like a mine fire, burning for so long. I really wish you would have taken the temperature of all the individual pipes in comparison to the other pipes and the surrounding environments. Even the capped and dormant ones may show differences. Still, another fantastic journey! Thanks for making these videos!
Cheers!
I'll be returning with a thermal gun in the future
It's amazing that these fires are still burning.
Interesting video. I have to say going during winter to find active steam is fun, there still a couple small spots in the actual town that have them. I also found it interesting finding parts of a life once there with parts of fencing or a swing set still left. As far as your video goes I do believe your chasing the fire that started in centrailia.
Thanks for stopping by. I agree. Finding signs of the former existence is indeed interesting.
Thanks for the interesting adventure.👍👍😊
The crazy thing is that with no active ventilation, it's still getting enough air to keep going at that level. Convection currents and all the small and tiny passages that go down into caves and such must be something else.
Nice video to walk along and see other hidden areas! Just a quick FYI...the 2 green bottles you found are Wine Bottles! Moonshine used to come in earthenware Jugs back in the day but Gallon plastic or glass jugs and Quart jars are used now! Keep up the Videos!
Thanks for the info!
I live pretty close to Centralia and I remember driving through there with my parents on our way to knoebels. It was a nice town
Great video
I believe it is the same fire continuing to burn , Great job on covering this.
My pleasure
great info thanks
Can't wait to see some FLIR footage of that area. Especially if you guys do it later in the day. Could look beautiful/terrifying.
if there is no more fire under centrial will it ever see a rebuild of properties again?
Highly unlikely
Having been a Land Surveyor, that stone (monument) with the divot in the top was probably a property corner.
Awesome to see Pitch Pines taking a hold in that environment (around 18:00 in) but I wouldn't be surprised given the role of fire in that area hopefully we'll see a Pine Barrens gain a foothold. Really gets me annoyed how people always dump trash in the Pine Barrens areas. So many just don't appreciate the special place it is.
Nice hike! Seems like the fires (both here and Laurel Run)were intentionally started to remove the population as to gain access to the coal underneath. Back in the day land owners had mineral rights to their property and it seems this was the way for the authorities to gain the property rights for their own use. Mainly for coal, but I heard a rumor there are uranium deposits in the area as well. I only work 2 miles from here since 1989 and have seen major changes to Centralia since then.
33:33 that connector is a standard one used for a thermistor.
Hi Jay, it is so hard to imagine that a fire can burn for so many years but with an almost endless supply of fuel it's very understandable.
Great shot with the bucket lol, I bet if you tried another 10 times you wouldn't get it in the same place. I think it's still the Centralia mine
that is still burning there, what other mine fire are people thinking it is ????. It may be a good idea to look up old mining reports of the time
as to which way the seam of coal actually runs, then I'm sure if you can roughly follow the seam you may come across other vents.
Thank you for sharing, much love. xx ❤
You're right, that bucket shot was a lucky one lol. I'll have to find out about the coal seams, but I believe east and west, but dont quote me on that.
That plug on the end of the wire is a standard thermocouple plug and with a small had held meter you could read the temperature of that test hole.
They should build a water tower that feeds into the mine. That would fill up with rain water and put it on fire automatically.
Great video. Lot of stuff you showed us. A lot of pipes. I lost count lol. A shame there was so much trash up there. You had a great weather day for this 🤗
Weath was a little too warm for climbing a mountain haha
I was there a couple of times like 20 years ago when it was burning under old 61 and the cemetery. was really trippy
If it wasn’t for the “Silent Hill” movie, I might have never known about Centralia, PA.
Could the bare area be a staging area for the equipment back when they drilled? I would look for areas of fuel spillage since they would fill fuel tanks there or maybe some equipment had leaky lines or tanks.
I was one that did not know about laurel run mine fire. Have been to that area dozens of times. Never knew it had a mine fire also. 🤔
I think by now, the fires have merged. Very interesting, thank you!
It seems like they could use the heat from the coal fires to generate steam, sort of like geothermal generators in iceland etc. at least it would be making the best out of a bad situation if they can't actually put the fire out.
That was really interesting! You found lots of pipes. I am not completely positive, but from what I have learned from you and others about this Centralia Mine Fire, I would guess the steam is coming from the original fire. The bottle dump was kind of neat, I like to find old bottles, although like you said, it's unfortunate that it was all dumped there. The electricity insulators were a great find! I sure enjoy learning about Pennsylvania, it's so fascinating. Awesome video JP, thank you!
My gut instinct is that it's the same fire as well.
What time stamp was the insulator?
Fascinating! Is the fire still burning under Centralia or has it moved/burned it's way further down the mines? Are the trees in the woods dead or have they just shed their leaves during change of season? I just came across these videos today, i'm in Australia so i have no idea of neighbouring towns etc ❤🔥
No longer burning under the town itself, but is still burning.
Great video. I enjoyed it. I prefer blue glass bottles too.
Im thinking about stopping by on a road trip. How long of a hike is it from the road to the active smoking vent on google maps? How difficult of a hike is it?
Some areas of steam are 30ft from the road
Could be interesting to try and get a drone survey pilot in with a thermal camera setup to look for surface hotspot trends.
I mean id wanna go see the smoke but id be scared of a bing sinkhole opening up and tbh I would love to see what the centrala mine looks like now but I’ve been subscribed to your channel for 2 years and I always love when you upload
Many people still visit, but just have to be safe and use common sense.
@@JPVideos81 I will I always stay safe when I’m exploring like that I always watch my every step
New Castle Colorado has a coal seam that’s been burning since the early 1900’s.
South canyon just west of Glenwood Springs, to just above Rifle gap reservoir. About 20 miles.
It was the source of a forest fire like 25 or so years ago that burned both sides of I70 west of Glenwood Springs.
Ashland here. I guess living close to Centralia. Locals tend to forget how much history is around us.
I stopped in your town to look at the Mother statue. Cool spot. Then we headed up to Centralia. We briefly stopped on 61 I think it was, to look at what's left of graffiti road. Shame it's been covered but it definitely looks like a place people would go to make mischief at night or something. Loved the area.
Thanks for the mossy tree trunk. That was nice.
That was a steep climb. You 2 really got your day's exercise! :)
We certainly did lol
I believe it's still burning and from original fire. At the end I believe #2 pipe location @39:00 ect below was really hot blew steel cap off and shifted pipe. It's scary to me at hearing 127 plus degrees. You are brave.. It's scary place to me.
I want learn more about pipe 2 and couldn't find info on Google do you have any sources? I 100% believe you as the footage clearly shows the welds blown out at the top of the pipe.
I never been there just watch videos of JP. Perhaps, maybe he would ?
JP, an area I wanted to explore was on the trail/access road on the north side of the chain-link fence across from where the Womer house used to stand. I believe that access road would be another area to explore.
We can certainly do that when you visit
@JPVideos excellent. Second half of July
I followed the trail I believe you’re talking about approximately two years ago. I followed it just to the end of the chain link fence. Found a lot of interesting bottles.
I decided I hadn’t explored it enough and returned about a week later. I followed it back beyond the chain link fence area until I came upon a private property (building and cars visible) so not knowing where property lines may be and to avoid intruding, I decided it was far enough. I went across the wooded area behind the fenced area and there were a few decent depressions in the ground and a fairly big bottle dump, I believe there was one or two bore pipes as well.
There is a normal access gate through the chain link fence along the back of the fence line that I walked right through and entered the fenced in area as well.
A lot of times, trash dumping happens because the landfill charges money to dump there. Think that green genie bottle was one of those Italian wines that come in a woven basket, mostly Chiantis.
With the fires burning underground. I’m kinda surprised they hadn’t attempted to create any geothermal power plants. Do some good use from the bad that was created
The problem is the fire is moving.
Awesome place i just learned something thanks
That man-made object is an old survey marker. Correct me if I'm wrong (my wife usually does) but if I remember correctly that divot in the top is for aligning the plumb bob that hangs from the surveyers tripod to ensure it's in the correct position.
Makes sense. Thanks for sharing.
Great job!
Thanks!
Steam is an invisible vapor (gas). What you are seeing is not steam, but rather water droplets that condense from the steam as it cools.
What is that music playing at the very beginning of this video? I love it.
You would think diverting a river to the mine might put it out! Just a thought.
I'm surprised they haven't figured out a way to take advantage of the amount of heat generated by those underground fires to power steam turbines.
Do you smell anything or does the steam have no scent?
Close to the source there's a sulfur smell, but it's pretty diluted in the atmosphere.
Like you I find it very disappointing to find people have been dumping their trash out in the wilderness. They found a bunch drums of old motor oil in the foothill forest several years back, luckily they had a sticker on one for tye shop in Seattle where they came from the fines were big enough I heard it put them out of business.
Hey JP some of these places can be dangerous. Prone to caving in without warning. You have got to be extra extra cautious when exploring spots like these.
I used to love going to Centralia when I was younger. I would always come home with big chunks of coal and a melted pair of sandals. When I was a baby my Mom and Aunt took me to Knoebels for a day and accidentally got lost in Centralia. They didn't know about the fires and were freaked out thinking they found a ghost town.
Wow! I used to work in Centralia.
All my life when I lived up North I've never been to Centralia but I've always wanted to go there..I miss seeing the mountains and woods we don't have mountains in Florida..
Don’t need them. I’m doing the gator hook trail this Saturday. The Everglades are incredible.
I went on a Airboat in The Everglades it was fun but nothing beats hiking and or camping in the woods and or Mountains.
@@candygirl2030 You can hike the Everglades too. I plan to be there this weekend. It’s the most extraordinary place and not what people think it is.
The mountains are beautiful, but Florida is a religious experience.
If I may... t30 doesn't necessarily mean the fire was there just yet. But more like they drilled and hit a vein. More as a monitor when it makes it to it.
Probably wrong. My opinion obviously.
Thanks for the vid and your time. I did enjoy watching you stomp the woods around Centralia. Well deserves a sub from me. Appreciate ya.
Thanks for your input and for watching