I don't know who you are, but to make such a tear-jerking thing out of a video letter, you are geniuses🥹 While I was watching, I cried. When I think about this evening, I will cry. Especially from the moment with the teleport and Coup de gra. But seriously, the fact that this video is still relevant is just a scary sight. Sometimes you think about the limitless possibilities of this game, but you understand that no bold steps meet the direct interests of the developers who have the final say. I write this with respect to these people in mind, but it seems to me that in this, as in many things in our world, the system of working on the product is to blame.
The point specified at 6:16 is the main reason I stopped playing hag, at some point, you get players who do this all the time because they know they can get away with it for free.
@@HoLeeSheet117 its not "free" if its coming from the survivor making a bad decision. Constantly and purposefully triggering her traps shouldnt be the counterplay that it currently is, that's like if Trapper was countered by stepping in all his traps. It makes no sense: it should be a BAD decision to indiscriminately trigger hags traps, and you should be punished for doing it with bad timing, not rewarded for it
@edyroc Doing that at the correct time to hit a survivor is literally.. reacting? You guys have got to stop with this "free hit" thing. It's not a free hit, a trap was strategically placed, a survivor detonated said trap, and was hit as a consequence of the trap being set off. This is literally how getting hits functions. "Free hits" have almost never existed in DBD outside of a PTB. Anytime someone takes a "Free hit" it's usually because of a mistake in gameplay on their end.... these are just hits.
This. At a high level against players who know counterplay, it's near impossible to win. Hag is far too slow to initiate chase, and toe-triggering traps gets you away from getting hit by them 100%. She is the only Killer in the game where survivors can literally *harass* her, and there's 0 she can do about it.
With the Unknown, he has a slight vignette to indicate a passive part of his power. To fix the loud noise accessibility issue, Hag could get a slight vignette on the screen that appears when a trap is triggered. Additionally, this vignette could have a similar animation to the Unknown's power and gradually decrease to indicate the remaining duration of the phantasm.
FUn fact: Hag already has a VIgnette when teleporting. After her release there was even a mud vignette around her screen which started flashing when you could teleport and when a trap was about to go away. She had all of that. If I would write you a list of things they removed from hag (without telling us) you would just keep reading for an entire day
6:16 I've brough this point of debate in the forums and how absurd this "tech" is many complained it is a "healthy counterplay" to Hag, there is no need to change her. Lets speak to BHVR so they can see clearly that this is a great issue to Hag players. Edit: can i post this video in General Discussion of BHVR forums? Many people need to see this!!
Excellent informative video! As someone who has more than 2000 hours playing mostly Hag, I can say that what frustrates me the most about playing with her is the fact that the survivors counteract her power by activating it! It doesn't matter if I react in time, it doesn't matter if I have Coup de Grace, they deny my power and I can't give them the hit! If a survivor activates a trap, it should be a guaranteed hit if the user reacts in time! since to counteract their power they have two mechanics and neither of them is the one they really use! Thank you for speaking out on behalf of the Hag.
Isn't it sad how a perk which grants 80% more range isnt enough to bandaid fix the issue? Even basekit trigger reduction + the 2 strongets addons together isn't enough to hit survs ever
After wiping was added her addons just need a complete re-work. I find the most fun way for me to play her now is body blocker chase hag. There needs to be some addons that affect survivors when they wipe I feel. Like aura reveal or exhaustion etc. However, as stated above, it needs to be incentivized to do so and not just trigger traps and run.
Been playing since 2016-17 and I remember adding you on steam during that period, at that time Hag had just came out and I added you cuz you were super great with the killer and I wanted to learn her, fast forward to now and I still love playing Hag although I try and play as many killers as I can cuz I like variety, right now Hag is a bit in an awkward spot and it seems nobody but Hag's enjoyers seems to care which sucks, I hope this video reaches someone at BHVR
I was curious if the decreased trigger range add-ons did anything to prevent the exploit, and now I know they don't. Thank you for the informative video, it's much appreciated, and I agree with most of the points made as a frequent Hag player.
Run waterlogged shoe and severed hand, with monitor abuse 117+% movement killer, with a 16 meter Terror radius, and the ability to just build walls Best shit ever
@@breyor1 I just don't think the trap archetype is fun for either side, mainly survivor ofc. I'll admit I've had a few fun hag games but overall I'd rather be chasing people than making and maintaining the web.
This is a really solid video that really does define all her problems. First time playing Hag in awhile and I got a whole team doing that "tech" and I just got so fed up. Didn't matter where I teleported they were already well beyond my trap range and w-keying. Only thing I would like to add, is some form of anti-camp to avoid just trapping the hook. Other than that whole heartedly agree, I hope BHVR listens and we get some changes.
yes, hook traps should be weaker! But they kinda got weaker with lower trap trigger rnage (less ground to cover before wiping) Feels weird to play a (almost) powerless 110% killer most of the time
Honestly I couldn't agree more with giving the hag some speed after teleporting or something like that. Playing her after a while hasn't been quite the same but still my favorite killer and maybe in the future she'll get some better changes.
with Michi, i learned how to put traps properly resulting to good TPs (somehow) im so happy, btw. i completed her Icy skin (in DBD mobile) through haunted coins, i missed the hand skin last year and thought it would not be appearing anymore. 😂😅
@@MichiDBD_Michi its from a random mystery box in bloodmarket. when you get 20 coins, you can exchange it with a skin from a character (survivor or killer)
Glad to see you are still around Michi, it's been awhile. Intentionally setting off traps has been an unfair counter since her inclusion and unfortunately I don't see them getting rid of it. I personally would like to see a 2 second (3%?) hindered penalty for anyone who sets off a trap basekit and creating an addon that puts a survivor into deepwound with a successful teleport hit. Until she's a bit more viable I'll get my hag fix playing SM.
I am more for wraith/sadako speed boost after a tp. Survs are already very annoyed by camswing so let's not add hindered on top. It is better to make playing hag feel better than to make playing survs worse
@@MichiDBD_Michi speed boost vs hindered would essentially do the same thing so I'd be fine with either. I haven't played hag in quite awhile, I thought bhvr removed camswing traps?
In my opinion it should get a slight nerf and then put into iri. Shoe and mint rag do not deserve the iri spot. They are way too weak and hinder hag only
I'm a hag main. According to my observation, the bug that the trap is activated automatically usually occurs after hooking a survivor. In fact, there is another new bug, the position of the Hag may be wrong for a moment after teleporting. After teleporting, the Hag is supposed to be where the trap is, but sometimes the Hag is back to where the Hag was before teleporting for about a frame. If the Hag attacks at this moment, the Hag will not be able to hit the survivor.
@@MichiDBD_Michi 3:18 3:20 10:42. This bug triggers quite frequently, but people may not notice it if they don't have the habit of attacking immediately after teleporting.
Oh also are there any links to content for the other hag mains mentioned here? Kingoftheswamp and Mintlisa? I've done some cursory look around and couldn't find them, I'd love to see more
Im a hag main with more than 2k hours invested into the killer. I have played the hag competetively against top teams like RNIN with moderate success. As some have said, I would also prefer a nerf of rusty shackles. Some hag mains like Elix rely to heavily in on placing traps in areas with high grass next to gens and grabbing survs from gens. Other than that I mostly agree with your assessment
To me, the accessibility "problem" is a non-issue, the game is designed around some visual cues and some sound cues, if you can't hear it's just not the best idea to play a game like DBD or Hunt. The visual terror radius supposed to help people unable to hear was a tremendous nerf for every single killer because now gens don't cover the early stages of the terror radius and killers with soft a lullaby like Saddako or Trickster get absolutly gutted by it (there's a reason every single survivor now uses the visual terror radius even if they can hear perfectly well, it's because it's a massive advantage and counters some specific killers). Instead of saying that yes, some people can't hear and that's too bad but this game uses sound cues to function. No, they fuck everything up to accomodate to a very few people. I know it's the "nice" thing to say that the game shoud try to accomodate for everyone, but this sound thing is just stupid, sound is mandatory in this game and it is a multiplayer game, so it's not just on an individual level that these options and changes impact the players. You can try to play tennis without arms, you can even get with other people without arms and see what you can come up with, but it would be absolutly insane to start changing the courses and rules of tennis so people with and without arms are on a more leveled playing field, it would be ridiculous.
Many Hag mains wanted a smaller trap range (myself included) but only in combination with smth else to get guaranteed hits. As we have seen even a 80% increase of attack range isnt enough. Now she is stuck with harder to activate traps and still not being able to hit anything
I think suvivors should get a 5% hindered for 2 3 seconds when a traps triggered and the hag extended lunge so she gets the hit if they run into and way for trips
I am more for wraith/sadako speed boost after a tp. Survs are already very annoyed by camswing so let's not add hindered on top. It is better to make playing hag feel better than to make playing survs worse
Dbd devs are a meme at this point... 😅 They fail almost always in everything 😪 Good analysis tho. Let's hope they watch it, I lost faith in them a couple of years ago.
give us a speed increase :( we are so slow..... I stopped playing hag for a while now and sad because it got repetitive and it was frustrating after playing for a long time on hag. I'm also the first p100 hag in australia. MAKE US 115%!!!!
There's no way they can make Hag 115% without making her traps feel clunky or removing part of her unique gameplay. It's way better to buff other parts of her kit in my opinion
Is it really *skillful* to put a trap under a hook? Does nobody remember 2016 trapper where you put a hook under a trap and they could not be unhooked without the bear trap triggering? Some of the balance changes you ask for are quite frankly unreasonable unless you're willing to give up some of the nonsense that is in the hag kit. Would you be willing for example to give up not ever be able to put a trap by a hook so close that the unhooked player automatically triggers the trap? If we're being brutally honest Hag is almost certainly the reason that base kit borrowed time became part of DBD. Manipulation of hag traps is skillful because not everyone knows how to do it. If you ask me I would say that forcing the players camera should not be an option unless maybe with the Iri addon.
Did you watch the same video?? Literally multiple times they have stated that playing near hooks/ 3 gen isn’t fun and they didn’t call it skillful it’s just one of those things since her range is shit you have to do to win. And no hag was not the main reason bt was introduced base kit if anything that would be just camping players fault or leather face players. None of these asks are “unreasonable”
I don't think trap killers should be encouraged, Hag is already quite strong and quite boring to vs (and play as for most killers). The trapping killer archetype is thankfully very small, and barely played. Hopefully it stays that way.
As a hag enjoyer I just want map wide teleport, a notification when trap is wiped away and where it was and when I teleport I basically should get a guaranteed hit really all I want
Hearing a video you put out be voiced for the first time certainly caught me by surprise. But it was a welcome surprise!
I don't know who you are, but to make such a tear-jerking thing out of a video letter, you are geniuses🥹
While I was watching, I cried. When I think about this evening, I will cry. Especially from the moment with the teleport and Coup de gra.
But seriously, the fact that this video is still relevant is just a scary sight. Sometimes you think about the limitless possibilities of this game, but you understand that no bold steps meet the direct interests of the developers who have the final say. I write this with respect to these people in mind, but it seems to me that in this, as in many things in our world, the system of working on the product is to blame.
The point specified at 6:16 is the main reason I stopped playing hag, at some point, you get players who do this all the time because they know they can get away with it for free.
Agreed, but i don't think hag should get a free hit from it either though.
@@HoLeeSheet117 There is nothing free in reacting in time to hit a survivor who has triggered a trap the Hag has placed.
@@HoLeeSheet117 its not "free" if its coming from the survivor making a bad decision. Constantly and purposefully triggering her traps shouldnt be the counterplay that it currently is, that's like if Trapper was countered by stepping in all his traps. It makes no sense: it should be a BAD decision to indiscriminately trigger hags traps, and you should be punished for doing it with bad timing, not rewarded for it
@edyroc Doing that at the correct time to hit a survivor is literally.. reacting? You guys have got to stop with this "free hit" thing. It's not a free hit, a trap was strategically placed, a survivor detonated said trap, and was hit as a consequence of the trap being set off. This is literally how getting hits functions. "Free hits" have almost never existed in DBD outside of a PTB. Anytime someone takes a "Free hit" it's usually because of a mistake in gameplay on their end.... these are just hits.
This. At a high level against players who know counterplay, it's near impossible to win. Hag is far too slow to initiate chase, and toe-triggering traps gets you away from getting hit by them 100%. She is the only Killer in the game where survivors can literally *harass* her, and there's 0 she can do about it.
I hope your voices are heard, Hag mains.
The production value behind this video is absolutely insane!
With the Unknown, he has a slight vignette to indicate a passive part of his power. To fix the loud noise accessibility issue, Hag could get a slight vignette on the screen that appears when a trap is triggered. Additionally, this vignette could have a similar animation to the Unknown's power and gradually decrease to indicate the remaining duration of the phantasm.
knowing the phantasm time would be great
FUn fact: Hag already has a VIgnette when teleporting. After her release there was even a mud vignette around her screen which started flashing when you could teleport and when a trap was about to go away. She had all of that. If I would write you a list of things they removed from hag (without telling us) you would just keep reading for an entire day
1:03 ey it's me! Thank you for letting me be a part of the video
I look forward to what you and the team can do for our hungry swamp witch! 🧙♀️
6:16 I've brough this point of debate in the forums and how absurd this "tech" is many complained it is a "healthy counterplay" to Hag, there is no need to change her.
Lets speak to BHVR so they can see clearly that this is a great issue to Hag players.
Edit: can i post this video in General Discussion of BHVR forums? Many people need to see this!!
Yes! Hit me up with a link after you have done so
Excellent informative video! As someone who has more than 2000 hours playing mostly Hag, I can say that what frustrates me the most about playing with her is the fact that the survivors counteract her power by activating it! It doesn't matter if I react in time, it doesn't matter if I have Coup de Grace, they deny my power and I can't give them the hit! If a survivor activates a trap, it should be a guaranteed hit if the user reacts in time! since to counteract their power they have two mechanics and neither of them is the one they really use! Thank you for speaking out on behalf of the Hag.
Isn't it sad how a perk which grants 80% more range isnt enough to bandaid fix the issue? Even basekit trigger reduction + the 2 strongets addons together isn't enough to hit survs ever
Thank you for shedding light on the bug with rusty shackles. I use shackles pretty much all the time. And the bug has been so annoying.
After wiping was added her addons just need a complete re-work. I find the most fun way for me to play her now is body blocker chase hag.
There needs to be some addons that affect survivors when they wipe I feel. Like aura reveal or exhaustion etc. However, as stated above, it needs to be incentivized to do so and not just trigger traps and run.
Weird how survs get punished when countering most killers like ghostface or wesker but Hag gets nothing
Letter to the devs was perfection! Summarizes the problems with the Hag so well; well done!
Been playing since 2016-17 and I remember adding you on steam during that period, at that time Hag had just came out and I added you cuz you were super great with the killer and I wanted to learn her, fast forward to now and I still love playing Hag although I try and play as many killers as I can cuz I like variety, right now Hag is a bit in an awkward spot and it seems nobody but Hag's enjoyers seems to care which sucks, I hope this video reaches someone at BHVR
A very well thought out video. Thank you for making this, and I'm glad to see some new Michi content!!
For once it didn't felt like the algorithm brought me here, but like a call from a coven, deep in the swamp...
7:09 that is just depressing
Glad to see you post a video. It has been a long time.
I was curious if the decreased trigger range add-ons did anything to prevent the exploit, and now I know they don't. Thank you for the informative video, it's much appreciated, and I agree with most of the points made as a frequent Hag player.
Run waterlogged shoe and severed hand, with monitor abuse
117+% movement killer, with a 16 meter Terror radius, and the ability to just build walls
Best shit ever
It’s the best.
Yes I love Chag, best version of Hag. Only version I play anymore lol, I hate trap killers.
@@izzywn5802 the concept is there, issue is the framework of DbD isn’t conducive to it
@@breyor1 I just don't think the trap archetype is fun for either side, mainly survivor ofc. I'll admit I've had a few fun hag games but overall I'd rather be chasing people than making and maintaining the web.
I already played some rounds with this but its just not my style. I rather play chess than chase
This is a really solid video that really does define all her problems. First time playing Hag in awhile and I got a whole team doing that "tech" and I just got so fed up. Didn't matter where I teleported they were already well beyond my trap range and w-keying. Only thing I would like to add, is some form of anti-camp to avoid just trapping the hook. Other than that whole heartedly agree, I hope BHVR listens and we get some changes.
yes, hook traps should be weaker! But they kinda got weaker with lower trap trigger rnage (less ground to cover before wiping)
Feels weird to play a (almost) powerless 110% killer most of the time
Honestly I couldn't agree more with giving the hag some speed after teleporting or something like that. Playing her after a while hasn't been quite the same but still my favorite killer and maybe in the future she'll get some better changes.
Missing hits after TP all the time has killed Hag for me. It's damn near unplayable when you get consistent misses automatically.
Sad, isn't it?
with Michi, i learned how to put traps properly resulting to good TPs (somehow) im so happy, btw. i completed her Icy skin (in DBD mobile) through haunted coins, i missed the hand skin last year and thought it would not be appearing anymore. 😂😅
What is a haunted coin?
@@MichiDBD_Michi its from a random mystery box in bloodmarket. when you get 20 coins, you can exchange it with a skin from a character (survivor or killer)
Glad to see you are still around Michi, it's been awhile. Intentionally setting off traps has been an unfair counter since her inclusion and unfortunately I don't see them getting rid of it. I personally would like to see a 2 second (3%?) hindered penalty for anyone who sets off a trap basekit and creating an addon that puts a survivor into deepwound with a successful teleport hit. Until she's a bit more viable I'll get my hag fix playing SM.
I am more for wraith/sadako speed boost after a tp. Survs are already very annoyed by camswing so let's not add hindered on top. It is better to make playing hag feel better than to make playing survs worse
@@MichiDBD_Michi speed boost vs hindered would essentially do the same thing so I'd be fine with either. I haven't played hag in quite awhile, I thought bhvr removed camswing traps?
They need to either increase her movement speed to 115 or increase her lunge
i hope bhvr will listen to us, hag mains Q-Q
Rusty shackles needs a downside it’s too strong. Maybe it should make her teleport slower or something.
Exactly
The downside is no camera swing so you lose the ability to force medium vaults
Your right. Let's nerf Pig.
In my opinion it should get a slight nerf and then put into iri. Shoe and mint rag do not deserve the iri spot. They are way too weak and hinder hag only
Did anyone else think this was Cote at first it was early early morning and i got some massive whiplash
Anyways, welcome back michi! ^^
I'm a hag main. According to my observation, the bug that the trap is activated automatically usually occurs after hooking a survivor.
In fact, there is another new bug, the position of the Hag may be wrong for a moment after teleporting. After teleporting, the Hag is supposed to be where the trap is, but sometimes the Hag is back to where the Hag was before teleporting for about a frame. If the Hag attacks at this moment, the Hag will not be able to hit the survivor.
Have you seen how many screen flickers appeared in this vid? While recording we tried for hours before we gave up.
@@MichiDBD_Michi 3:18 3:20 10:42. This bug triggers quite frequently, but people may not notice it if they don't have the habit of attacking immediately after teleporting.
Oh also are there any links to content for the other hag mains mentioned here? Kingoftheswamp and Mintlisa? I've done some cursory look around and couldn't find them, I'd love to see more
Yes! This is mint: www.youtube.com/@cocolau4444
Kingoftheswamp does not have a channel (so far) but I will uploading some of his games soon
Im a hag main with more than 2k hours invested into the killer. I have played the hag competetively against top teams like RNIN with moderate success. As some have said, I would also prefer a nerf of rusty shackles. Some hag mains like Elix rely to heavily in on placing traps in areas with high grass next to gens and grabbing survs from gens. Other than that I mostly agree with your assessment
I am not a fan of rusty shackles. In my opinion using rusty is not playing hag. But it is sadly the only option atm to hit people out of a tp
@@MichiDBD_Michi i agree
hag teleport should give a spirit lunge. Just played a game with her and survivor just have to hold w to completle destroy you.
Why is Cypress higher than swamp orchid on the tier list?
To me, the accessibility "problem" is a non-issue, the game is designed around some visual cues and some sound cues, if you can't hear it's just not the best idea to play a game like DBD or Hunt. The visual terror radius supposed to help people unable to hear was a tremendous nerf for every single killer because now gens don't cover the early stages of the terror radius and killers with soft a lullaby like Saddako or Trickster get absolutly gutted by it (there's a reason every single survivor now uses the visual terror radius even if they can hear perfectly well, it's because it's a massive advantage and counters some specific killers).
Instead of saying that yes, some people can't hear and that's too bad but this game uses sound cues to function. No, they fuck everything up to accomodate to a very few people.
I know it's the "nice" thing to say that the game shoud try to accomodate for everyone, but this sound thing is just stupid, sound is mandatory in this game and it is a multiplayer game, so it's not just on an individual level that these options and changes impact the players.
You can try to play tennis without arms, you can even get with other people without arms and see what you can come up with, but it would be absolutly insane to start changing the courses and rules of tennis so people with and without arms are on a more leveled playing field, it would be ridiculous.
As a Waterlogged Shoe main I just wish I didn’t have to run a iridescent to play my favorite killer
That is such an expensive thing to main I respect the dedication
@@Leftistmushroom really makes you appreciate the value of black wards
New to hag you got build or perk recommendation?
Yes, I have ,,perk pack" videos up for exactly this case. But I will upload more/updated ones in the future
She's should be 4.6 and have infinite teleport range
Honestly, if a hit would be guaranteed if you react and tp in time then hag would be (mostly) fine in my opinion
@@MichiDBD_Michi 4.6 would allow her time to actually get around to trap. I just think its absurd blight is 4.6 but hag isnt.
devs wont listen, they never do. great video tho
thank you!
I don't really like the new trap range, but I think she's fine
Many Hag mains wanted a smaller trap range (myself included) but only in combination with smth else to get guaranteed hits. As we have seen even a 80% increase of attack range isnt enough. Now she is stuck with harder to activate traps and still not being able to hit anything
I just played hag Full hextodum's nothing but add-on that software teleport but make her strong and chase I guess and I won got a 4 k
Holy crap, Michi has a voice?!?
A friend voiced it for me
💕💕💕💕
I think suvivors should get a 5% hindered for 2 3 seconds when a traps triggered and the hag extended lunge so she gets the hit if they run into and way for trips
I am more for wraith/sadako speed boost after a tp. Survs are already very annoyed by camswing so let's not add hindered on top. It is better to make playing hag feel better than to make playing survs worse
Michiiii i love you are video❤ 😝
I think hag should be 115
Dbd devs are a meme at this point... 😅
They fail almost always in everything 😪
Good analysis tho. Let's hope they watch it,
I lost faith in them a couple of years ago.
Buff Freddy 😢
Yes!
give us a speed increase :( we are so slow..... I stopped playing hag for a while now and sad because it got repetitive and it was frustrating after playing for a long time on hag. I'm also the first p100 hag in australia. MAKE US 115%!!!!
fuckkkk no, you dont need to be 115%
There's no way they can make Hag 115% without making her traps feel clunky or removing part of her unique gameplay.
It's way better to buff other parts of her kit in my opinion
Is it really *skillful* to put a trap under a hook? Does nobody remember 2016 trapper where you put a hook under a trap and they could not be unhooked without the bear trap triggering? Some of the balance changes you ask for are quite frankly unreasonable unless you're willing to give up some of the nonsense that is in the hag kit. Would you be willing for example to give up not ever be able to put a trap by a hook so close that the unhooked player automatically triggers the trap? If we're being brutally honest Hag is almost certainly the reason that base kit borrowed time became part of DBD. Manipulation of hag traps is skillful because not everyone knows how to do it. If you ask me I would say that forcing the players camera should not be an option unless maybe with the Iri addon.
Did you watch the same video?? Literally multiple times they have stated that playing near hooks/ 3 gen isn’t fun and they didn’t call it skillful it’s just one of those things since her range is shit you have to do to win. And no hag was not the main reason bt was introduced base kit if anything that would be just camping players fault or leather face players. None of these asks are “unreasonable”
michi speaks english?
AI voice
@@josemoyano1543 Its not AI it literally says who its voiced by in the beginning of the video.
@@xykane bro I was joking
Its crazy all the things u said benefits the killer only not both sides😂
“Let’s make the killer more fun to interact with..”
Yeah, incentivizing people out of 3 gen hag has no benefits to survivors…
I don't think trap killers should be encouraged, Hag is already quite strong and quite boring to vs (and play as for most killers). The trapping killer archetype is thankfully very small, and barely played. Hopefully it stays that way.
They should just make Hag 115 speed, alongside with Slinger and Chucky
What she needs is a guaranteed hit after a tp (only when she is not busy and close enough of course)
As a hag enjoyer I just want map wide teleport, a notification when trap is wiped away and where it was and when I teleport I basically should get a guaranteed hit really all I want
yes!