Smell That? || CheckPoint 516
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- Опубліковано 18 жов 2024
- Stories on: Pikmin, Shrek games, ESRB facial recognition, and Xbox pizza controllers
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"Suddenly I don't want to go back." *_HE'S FREE_*
Monkeys paw. In this universe its Fortnites 30th anniversary as default skin jonesy was a mascot platformer in the 90s.
"When Shrek 'somebodied' into the scene." What a great turn of phrase.
“Donkey rode his Dragon Wife”
Just providing that quote out of context.
It presents a new cadence with which to say
"let me ride that"-Donkey (Donkey)
he knew what he was doing when he wrote that
That ass don't quit
I'm glad it was Ian delivering that line rather than Beej.
It’s what Ian would want.
"it works on kids age 4-12" don't you doubt for a moment this wouldn't work on college students too.
Dang it, I'm in my 30s and I think I'd do this just because it sounds weirdly fun.
Regarding the ESRB story, it should be noted that biometric data is SUPER regulated in Illinois, to the point residents have gotten multiple moderately-sized settlement checks from the likes of Facebook and Google over the past few years. Going to be fun seeing an entire industry run headlong into this one.
Can confirm that stuff works on kids. Co-Worker dropped by work once to get a paycheck but she had her kids. She put their hands on a table near my workstation and told them she had glued and bolted their hands to the table as she went to HR. They spent a little over 10 minutes trying to pry their hands out of the imaginary trap she had put them in. When she got back "pulled the bolts out" and they went home.
How very Derren Brown...
I love how Ian comes on ready to tell us about upcoming video games and make jokes about them, and Beej is just in a completely different realm of surreal comedy divorced from any premise other than its own existence
Finally, we're acknowledging (in the intro) that Paul hasn't been in front of the camera in ages!
I miss the bearded redhead (but he's entitled to the role he prefers).
he's been in a video this year, back when they played the fan-made scenario of Hero Quest
at least we get to hear him in UnSkippable!
@@estebanrodriguez5409I think they mean in Checkpoint
@@analoren4745 Not I - I skipped that.
As somebody who was asked if I was an unaccompanied minor at the airport when going on a business trip (I was 25 at the time), I also don't want facial analysis software that doesn't store the data (except for when it has to, you know, analyze it) which isn't for children to check if said person is an underage child.
Yeah, I was gonna say. I have a young face. I've got doctors that consistently think I'm like 15 years younger than I am. How's that gonna work for others like me who are closer to that cutoff?
The ESRB's plan is impressive for managing to be both forward-looking and short-sighted at the same time. They are clearly trying to demonstrate that they can still self-police in an age of digital purchases, but their plan has so many potential problems that they apparently haven't considered.
"Unable to grow emotionally, learn or experiment with facial hair."
Ian, have you SEEN Hiccup's glowup in the HTTYD trilogy? He evolved like a gen 1 Pokémon.
Data handed to at least two companies is categorically not "not shared with anyone". Companies have handed personal data to each other by using weasel words in their privacy policies and schrodingers subsidiary (in that it's officially themselves if you accuse them of giving it away, but also officially not themselves when it sells your data on because you have no legally binding agreement with that subsidiary to stop it) for decades.
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Thank you for "Schrodinger's subsidiary".
It's a shame the legal system can't shut this down. Like thats blatantly illegal but because you can't prove damages theres not really any practical way to go after them. Whereas the fact that what they're doing is illegal should be enough on its own.
If I as an individual was doing that, I'd be in jail. Companies being protected by the diffusion of guilt needs to stop.
"Epic is more draconian than the US transport security administration" everyone remember that the next time someone sides with corporations, while claiming the government shouldn't exist
Ian?!
And a long checkpoint, this is going to be good.
100% with you Beej.
Literally the point of the facial recognition in their use case is to detect of someone is of age, so for it to have a reason to exist it needs there to be a scenario where it prevents someone who is under age!
The idea that 'this detects of you're the right age. THEREFORE no one who is under age will use it. Is absolutely absurd.
I think there is somewhat of a point in that:
If it works and underage persons know it works, the number of them who submits such a picture, should be relatively low? (Why submit one if you know it will block you?)
This of course doesn’t mean *no* such pictures will be uploaded, but,
Is it obvious that “it being unacceptable for many such images to be submitted” implies “it is unacceptable for a few such images to be submitted”? It isn’t to me.
Dammit Beej, that was a perfect call back to the Jon Stewart Nambla jokes. Well played.
Came here just for this comment
Same!
I got to that point and yelled BEEJ in my parked car.
Thank yooooou…
Is the Gingerbread man driving a pop tart like me driving a car covered in human skin? I can't get this image out of my head now.
Quick explainer about Europe’s “great trains”: Europe has great trains! …within each country. Europe has SHIT connectivity BETWEEN countries.
Travelling between countries by train is usually 3x as expensive as flying and takes 4x as long, with multiple changes, often in the middle of the night.
It’s almost always faster, cheaper and easier to drive or fly, than to take the train between countries, with a handful specific exceptions.
It’s a huge issue and one the EU is looking at solving, but it’s going to take a very long time, because many of the train networks run on different voltages and gauges, and the legal framework isn’t there yet to allow people to compare prices between operators.
I *LOVE* the Ian Graffiti!!!
Also, I'd love to see a three to four team Checkpoint, with someone spoofing sports and weather parts of a typical news broadcast. I'm sure things like the Microsoft/Acti-Blizz merger would make excellent weather and/or sports segments.
It might have been on ENN but I'm sure they did that with Cam back in the day.
Definitely weather for the merger "The shit-storm continues with no sign of letting up."
@@joejameson7529 Oh, I thought up one of the things they could do as a sport segment: "The Corporate Acquisitions League" or CAL for short. Make a ranking and talk about them as if it's a competition to gobble up the competition.
Maybe they can get Huey Lewis to do Sports.
calling Donkey the Ascended Wife Guy took me the fuck out holy shit lol
11:31 to 11:52
The Turtles have eaten Pizza Gyoza.
"The Privacy Protection Facial Age Recognition, or NAMBLA" I died xD
That stupid face software sounds like a great reason to stop buying big budget games. So nice of the ESRB to encourage me to clear out my backlog and buy more obscure indie games.
...Like I needed another reason.
To Itchio!
yeah if someone needs to scan my face to let me purchase their game, I'm going elsewhere.
that's what I thought too at first but Jeff Gerstman (@Jeffgerstmanshow) covered that story and was so baffled by it he dug into it in this week's podcast. and it turns out it's a proposed technology to identify that someone is an adult meant to only be used in situations where a child tries to sign up for a thing, is told they're too young and need their parent's permission, then the parent gets the notification asking for that permission and has to confirm their age. the parent can do that via video call, signed and mailed in permission form, or with government ID currently, and this is just a thing the ESRB is suggesting to add to that list as a fourth option. IDK if it's worth it for that purpose but it's definitely not what I keep hearing it is from stories reporting on it, man ESRB really fucked up this announcement or w/e it was supposed to be.
Literally every time I’ve tried to get into console gaming, they’ve pulled some shit that made me reconsider. I remember being this close to buying an X-box, only to hear that they were looking to crack down on people being able to use games second-hand (which was how I was buying pretty much everything that wasn’t groceries and notebooks at the time) and using the money for something else instead.
"Or NAMBLA"... holy shit Beej I was not ready for that.
The TMNT controller thing lost me when Ian said that they were not painted in the style of the painter namesakes of the turtles. Also whoever came up with that face-harvesting software, who I do not trust for a second to keep their face scans private, deserves a life-threatening groin injury.
hey beej did a pretty good job on this episode, you should consider having him on more often
Fun fact: kids 1 to 4 follow mommy around without a whistle and mostly with intent to trip her.
Yo! UK Viewer here who has Used YOTI before.
So, YOTI Isnt *Just * for stuff like bars.
Honestly, wasnt aware that was a functionality, but there you go.
For certain services in the UK (Welfare and the like) When you apply online, they request you confirm your identity with stuff like drivers license etc.
YOTI can take a scan of that, a picture of your face, Confirm you are the person holding it. And then say, yup. This person is applying for this, and it matches the details in the application. Seems legit, Run with it.
Honestly, as digital identity stuff goes? Its really not that bad.
(And honestly, UK Data security law is much better, since we have to operate basically within the guidelines of GDPR)
As someone who is always mistaken as being several years younger than I am, there is no possibility that the facial recognition would work. It is ridiculous to say that I can't buy a game just because I don't look right (And I am a white man, so it would be even worse on other people). Additionally, no matter how sophisticated, it is an impossibility for facial recognition to tell the difference between someone who is 24 and 364 days and someone on their 25th birthday, though the legality has changed. This is why IDs exist, and while they have their own problems, this is just another silly attempt to replace everything with AI.
yeah I was the type of person when I was 20 people thought I was in high school. In my late 20s I had coworkers who were 23ish and they thought I was their age. I'm in my 30s so this is fine, but there will always be people that will get screwed over by systems like this and they will lose customers. Hell they'll lose my money and I won't even have a problem getting it.
Statistics being massively overvalued is a very persistent and frustrating trend. The fact that grown ass adults thought a facial recognition system to guess your age was a good idea is insane to me. Because its one of those systems that cannot ever work, because people aren't all clones. Like, the concept behind it should end the moment the idea that "X percent of people will register as older or younger than they really are".
Gaming in particular is riddled with this. Balancing via usage rate statistics is a particularly braindead development approach. But this shows up everywhere. Theres a specific logical fallacy for this too, I can't remember what its called, but its basically mistaking the metric for the goal. Statistics can be a useful tool, but thats all they are, a measurement tool. As soon as someone starts trying to implement that metric as if it was a real tangible thing, they've missed the entire point.
My thoughts exactly. The vast breadth of human appearance in it’s infinite variety is not something so easily cataloged. So not only is this a very untrustworthy endeavor it is a painfully pointless and frustratingly fruitless exercise.
Also isn't adult for video games 18 or 21?
@@shadowmaster1313 Under the ESRB's own system for North America, "M for Mature" is 17+. It's rare for a game to get rated "Adults Only" for 18+, since that's almost exclusively reserved for strong sexual content, just like NC-17 for movie ratings.
Can't wait for my always online live service game to come with face recognition DRM.
I think I just threw up a little.
So can I sue Yoti or the ESRB if they wrongfully think I'm a teenager and lock me out of my game?
Ian has incredible range, being able to play both Kathleen and Graham at the same time.
ESRB story: Why would *anyone* want this?!?
-> Immediately into the pizza scented horror story
Beej, as both a cat caretaker (who actually owns a cat?) and a parent of a now adult small one, I can corroborate that, "Yes, many issues with raising both cats and kids are the same."
Kids can at least theoretically be explained to, even if they don't listen. On the other hand, they're also bigger and not self-cleaning.
@@Mirality Well, not instinctually self cleaning, but they can be taught. It's a complex dataset you have to train them with, and then there's still years of fine tuning the code generated to get the results you want.
Surprised that Ian didn't make an Utena joke in the kart racing story
The thing about Apple's Face ID being "good" and "well implemented" is you don't have any way to verify that it's true. That's a problem.
I know nothing about FaceID, but if they claim it doesn't upload any data, that is something that's possible to verify. Just connect a device through only wifi, and watch the network traffic.
I legit lol'd at capn crunch Oops All Switch Cart.
Cool to see Beej on Checkpoint for once. Maybe he'll appear more often no?
Also, Sonic Hedgehogs? Is that some sort of hedgehog that is covered in speakers instead of spikes, and screams really loudly to deter predators?
The apple stuff isn't even a camera, its an IR sensor that basically measures a bunch of points on your face to mostly recognize its shape. It doesn't read colors at all
After the show when Ian rubbed his moustache with both hands, for a moment I was afraid he was actually going to peel it off, revealing to have been a fake this whole time. That was a weird feeling.
Finally, through the power of this scent diffuser technology, I can smell the sweaty anime girls in my assuredly very normal visual novels
"Normal" for visual novels IS hentai, isn't it?
@@ActionNerdGo you know, you're probably right.
That was absolutely exactly what I imagined when you said "using Pikmin to control their kids." The only hitch is that it feels like the sort of thing that doesn't work quite as well unless you have quite a few kids. Which is probably not very common in Japan but is good news for families based out of the American South.
13:01 - I believe the correct term is "blowing smoke up our ass."
Wait, when did Dr Bunsen Honeydew take over the show? How did you guys afford the real life muppet rights? 😅
Glad to see Beej stepping in to give Ian someone to play off of in this while Graham and Kathleen are abroad. Engage!
Piccolo is technically a Slug/Human hybrid for the record.
And watch, when Epic tries to roll out their face recognition on PC, it’ll be right around when a few brand new $70 games are free to keep! Sell your facial data to us permanently for $70!
Wow damn Beej slid that NAMBLA line in there so smoothly that this comment is now on a CIA watchlist.
NSA - CIA is old-school and doesn't deal with SigInt as much.
The fact that the Dreamworks dev is literally called "Game Mill" is just the ironic cherry on top of the suspiciously brown ice-cream emoji that is this game's concept.
ESRB is solving a problem that doesn't exist.
Ian and the title/credits additions are delightful! More of this sort of thing.
A train ride to Barcelona would take almost 48 hours for me, and cost about €600. So, just because we have SOME train infrastructure in Europe, doesn't mean anyone can just zip on down.
Is it weird that I reflexively got uneasy when Beej held his phone up to the camera? Like... somehow his camera was scanning my face through the internet... from the past... through a display device with no camera attached... what a time to be alive!
That "Japan has done interesting things with plant-human hybrid" hits different if you immediately think Unit 731.
thank you for bringing that up so I didn't have to...
Can't believe the bottom title for the TMNT story said "Heroes That You Can Smell" and not "Heroes in a half smell". Missed a sitter there guys.
"Or NAMBLA" I lost it there 😂
Engagement! It was fun seeing Ian on Checkpoint. I also love the little additions on the credit graphics in the black writing
Hah, love those revised credits just for Ian's visit. Great to see Ian back on CheckPoint, too! Full tie and everything-way more professional than that scrub G! Ian is such a delightful reality-warping force.
Wait, the ESRB is a US-based non-profit. It was specifically made to satisfy concerns of children buying violent games without the permission of their parents. In the US, parents giving their children permission to play violent games (or even porn) has never been in question. How the heck are they going to implement that facial recognition thing without pissing off armies of parents who don't want to be told how to raise their children? Are they going to require all people under 18 to use their parents' accounts for digital games?
Now imagine that, except for all sites with any content even possibly causing anxiety or mature in nature, requiring adults to be age verified on a device/os level for 95% of the internet... and you have the american KOSA bill going through the senate.
For the 3rd time after being killed and zombified twice before.
The point is the parent is supposed to scan to authorize it.
@@irreleverent For every device and every account that any of their children own?
Know those medical feels on the other side of the country too - going on two years of searching for ANY General Practitioner within a hundred kilometres that's taking new patients.
Love the suit and the tie, Ian (and the glasses too, but I'm pretty sure I've already commented on them before haha)! And now I want renaissance artists inspired xbox controllers
From 0 to "IAN NO" in record time!
I have heard of "Super Awesome" by the way. They are the ad serving DSP for COPPA channels (meant for children).
"Not used for marketing purposes"... I'm calling pure B.S. on that one?
The thing about this facial scan software is that governments can very easily legislate to "require" sites to use the software, and just because this one software "claims" they aren't using it maliciously, doesn't mean the software used by every site couldn't be used as another avenue to collect data.
There's an american bill up in the senate called KOSA to get age verification tech at the device/OS level to basically use 95% of the internet. The remaining 5% is Veggie Tales and cat pictures.
"Protect the kids" stuff that doesn't actually strike at any of the known harmful things in apps/sites/media that could be legislated directly but makes massively broad censoring of UI and content for kids, possibly up to and including stuff taught in school like history, or the news... but similarly affects anyone that doesn't want Big Brother to know their browsing history and refuses to insert their Internet Citizen chip into the matrix.
This post is 10% hyperbole but I wont tell you which bits.
Not even a minute in and I'm laughing my ass off! Good show!
Ok I understand pop culture: the DreamWorks Trolls are the Minicons for the rest of the gokarting cast's Transformer cars. All that's missing are actual Transformer cars
So… if this stupid facial scan works and they put it in games as a mandatory Orwellian protocol, what do, oh, say, 23 year olds do? Is it just “lol we won’t let you play our games for no reason”?
Fake moustache.
Very much enjoyed Ian's delivery this week. That face tech is wild, thank you for highlighting it.
13:39 we sure are that reminded me when I was in high school we did a school trip to the cctv centre in our town it is amazing and horrifying how much they can see
Did that popsickill Live event burn out Ian's sense of smell? Are his olfactory sites pining for the fjords? Is that why he had the pizza smell story? 🤔😮
I've never been terribly fond of face scanning because, like, it already sucks to have a pimple, I do not need a random pore pulling a single-pixel attack on whatever automated ID system is involved.
when you bring your best friend to work and act all professional :D
I audibly gasped seeing Ian in the thumbnail
I have some questions about that acronym you used for the facial recognition program... But I don't know if I can ask them without triggering some secret algorithm within UA-cam and get all my Google accounts permanently yanked. (and associated to a rather distasteful group of individuals I'd like to enact certain acts against them that they'd find rather distasteful.)
What kinds of questions? I mean, given your prevarication, you already know what it stands for.
Beej is referencing a recurring joke of Jon Stewart's on The Daily Show.
Also Google wouldn't do that, they'd just flag your accounts for special scrutiny by Five Eyes. #GetOnTheList
We already knew Donkey ride his dragon-wife.
And once again, I assume that Rise of the Guardians (among Dreamworks' best movies), will get no representation.
That Ryanair reference was a deep, deep cut… only airline that flies to my in-laws’ nearest airport, I’m far too familiar.
Also, hi Ian!
Oh dear Beej has entered the Ianverse.
The ESRB's data security is like a sieve, so I'm sure trusting them with facial data is fine /s
Fans of the original TMNT comics...does Splinter also only mention the source of the bois names once and never bring it up again, or reference ANY renaissance art, or display any of the namesake artist's work in the dojo?
More Ian please. Graham and Kathleen are both very good at their jobs, but Ian is just amazing at this. More Ian please.
Is it just me, or are the stage lights a bit harsh in the new studio?
Yeah, the triangle decorations show the difference
Also more reflections off the monitor
They just need some makeup to cancel it out.
I mostly listen to the show as a podcast and then occasionally glance at the screen to catch the jokes. It's a fantastic dinner break show to listen to and glance up at.
Once they require face scanning I won't be buying jack shit from anyone doing it. No big deal for me.
the glare reflecting off of the light triangles on the new set is really noticeable. Otherwise, the move feels almost seamless, good job everyone (but telus).
yay, Ian in the big boys chair!
Ian makes for a great spice to change things up now and then. Everyone on the show is so charming in their own way it's too bad we can't have like 6 hosts on at once lol
The option of a face scan instead of credit card or a id photo sounds vaugely useful but the privacy implications around children seems too high a price
I literally am in/come out of a mental breakdown because of the climate apocalypse, wanting to have some sweet relief through watching a comedy show. Only to be reminded that I and all that I love will be dead in max 30 years one and a half minutes into your video, ARE YOU FKING SHITTING ME RN?!
Good show though
Laugh into the flames when you run out of tears
Speaking of facial recognition not working well for non-white folks, it's also terrible for trans/gnc people, huzzah
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oh my god that nambla joke. fucking hell. xD
MORE BALD MAN! MORE BALD MAN! MORE BALD MAN! MORE BALD MAN! MORE BALD MAN! MORE BALD MAN!
surprise ian from the top rope
Regarding facial recognition. If they want to use the tech to validate that the person making the purchase is the device\account owner, than it can be done in a relatively privately the same way as we handle passwords. I.E hash and salt the data on the client side in order to create a unique but unidentifiable digital finger print. The server than saves he salted hash of the registered users Biometric data, and compare every request to log to that hash. (Oh, and you need to send this as an encrypted data to make sure no man in the middle is stealing you login credentials.)
Than again the whole system is extremely easy to cheat, all you need is a picture of the person you are trying to spoof, so that's actually not a good idea, and less secure than old fashioned passwords.
If they actually want to run an age recognition algorithm, than this is an ever worse idea. First, the algorithm will need access to the boimetric data itself so server side calculation runs a huge risk of privacy breach. Even if run completely client side, this would open them not just to privacy concerns but also to all sorts of discrimination cases, as sex, race, disabilities, and many many other elements are going to effect the algorithm's accuracy.
The fucking NAMBLA reference beej, jesus
We get the stupid face software in self checkouts. Not really self checkout now as they have to have someone there watching all the time now
So, this is how the VG industry will train it's AI, under the guise of self regulation, beautiful.
As a British person 1. I have had to use yoti once (not face recognition) but ID recognition I wouldn't trust them with my personal identifying information. 2. I think the use of facial and id recognition I the uk is over stated, I am sure it's common in places like London and tourist places in the south for the most part it's still someone checking ID. 3. I am in my early 20s so not relevant for video games of 25 but annoying for other stuff and I look 16 maybe 17, facial recognition will definitely screw me over.
If you demand a scan of my face to buy your game you're gonna lose a purchase.
The writing for this one was 🎉
Ian's voice was music to my ears.