@@commie281 I disagree entirely. I find this video topic really interesting but I can't stand the vocal pace changing. I find it distracting and can't focus on what is being discussed. I've stopped watching this video because of this pulsing vocals and I've stopped watching other channels who does as well. I hate it!
@@bobjoe1469 He didn't used to do this, and it's been getting worse and more annoying. Sam, you're getting worse than _William Shatner! _*_Cut it out!_*
In the last 6 months of Concorde people knew it was the last 6 months of Concorde, there wasn't ever going to be a problem filling those seats because people just wanted to be able to say they had flown Concorde. It was effectively an amusment park ride at that point.
Exactly. I know a couple of people who booked flights solely because it was going to be retired. They just stayed in the airport and waited for the flight home =)
Concorde used to fly over my house when I was a kid. We lived right at the coast of the Bristol Channel, which was the point at which Concorde was allowed to go supersonic. Sometimes they'd go supersonic a bit early. The boom was real. I used to love hearing it because I was amazed by Concorde, but it was loud and sometimes the windows used to shake.
Before Concorde came into service, tests were carried out allowing RAF jets to fly supersonic over London and waiting for the complaints! I remember it well!
I live in the Bristol Channel and at night you ‘ hear the distinctive sound of Concorde look up with binoculars and see them light up the after burners ! Sad that’s now only a memory
I had a friend who lived below a flight route near our local airport, and I used to housesit for him. I don't know how he lived with the sounds of planes coming in for a landing throughout the day, and I can't imagine having a sonic boom occur where you lived.
One thing to consider is that the reason why they turned a profit after it was announced they were retiring was because people wanted to try to fly on the concord before it was retired
But the real reason was thanks to the ticket prices reduced to Business Class levels, which lead to a greater load factor per flight which lead into more profit, a 35% Filled Concorde with First Class Prices was able to break even.
If British Airways and Air France had to actually purchase the Concordes and pay back development costs (equivalent to over $20 billion in today's money) you'd get a true gauge of what a financial disaster the plane actually was.
I’m glad you talked about passenger productivity. Amtrak in the US did a similar study. They were focused on speed and reducing commute time between DC and NYC. What they discovered was that most people didn’t care about shaving time off the trip, they cared more about being able to use their time on the train. So Amtrak solved their problem by just including outlets to recharge laptops and free Wi-Fi.
@@cuddlemuffin.9545 to do that you will need to 1st abolish corruption and putting finger out of their but so that the state can finally own thoses strategic infrastructure called railroads...
9:40 for anyone who wants examples of this, there are occasions where fighters are cleared for supersonic travel over the continental united states for emergency response and they leave a string of videos of people hearing *BANG* and flinching, dogs bark, kids cry, mass confusion to be had; all because a Cessna was flying in a restricted airspace around the president
Its only because people are not accustomed to the sound. I'll bet it was similar the first time people had commercial planes fly over their houses back in the early days of plane travel
@@azrielsatan8693, it depends entirely on how close to the speed of sound the plane is travelling. If it is travelling Mach 2 then the shockwave is more spread out.
Hopefully not over land .. regular old jets are already too damn loud... Honestly humans are too too damn loud in general. There are few places on earth where you can't hear their bullshit
I grew up as a TWA brat and got to fly on the Concorde once, in 1983, from London to New York. The passenger experience on the plane was actually very similar to subsonic transatlantic first class. The coolest part of the flight was watching the cabin speedometer approach and then surpass Mach 1. Though landing in New York "earlier" than you left London was a little weird.
@@volbla it sure did. The earth rotates around 1000mph while the Concorde flew at around 1350mph. I left London 10:30 am and arrived at JFK at 9:00am the same day. 😁
Not very surprising, the entire aviation industry is screwed. Look how many would-be pilots have to give up their dream of ever flying an airliner because their training doesn't go ahead. Challenging times.
@@diginaized_official Yeah, I think that the main reason that the big companies aren't going bust are the massive contracts in areas of aviation that aren't being as negatively interrupted. Like military contracts and cargo.
the first ever supersonic plane (bell x-1, the one that's in D.C. aerospace museum if you look up when you enter, it's bright orange.) was built by a team which included my great-grandfather.
Today - June 3, 2021 - United Airlines announced that they ordered 15 new supersonic jets to be built by American start-up Boom Supersonic, to be completed by the year 2029, pending U.S. government approval. The model is the "Overture", and is expected to be the Concorde's direct successor. Testing will begin in 2025-2026.
I love how prestige is one of the reasons for choosing a less comfortable, more expensive mode of transport. "sir, why do you want to spend $120 million on a small, uncomfortable plane?" "Because I don't wanna be seen as a poor peasant by flying first class."
I'm pretty sure the kind of small planes talked about here are very luxurious. Aside from that, rich people like private planes because of privacy and convenience. No need to plan your travel around an airline schedule or walk through a busy airport terminal. You choose the takeoff time you want and the plane and pilots will be standing by waiting for you to drive up and go.
@@qovro if they are like some private jets currently they will be extremely comfortable. Due to my friends circle I have flown private a few times and it really is a leap above 1st class. Even at very high speed in a G6 you hear very little noise
@@nimueh4298 the fact that it doesn’t exist yet doesn’t matter. The 707, 717, 727, 737, 747, 757, 767, 777, 787, DC-8, DC-9, DC-10, MD-11, MD-80, MD-90, A300, A310, A320, A330, A340, A350, A380, L1011, CS100, and CS300 all had orders before they were made. Those plane types are currently widely used across airlines or used to be widely used.
I actually heard the Sonic "thump" from one of NASA's tests. I go to college on Galveston Island, just south of Houston. This was like 2 years ago. NASA was testing this new technology just offshore and was asking random citizens on the island what their thoughts was on the noise. I remember walking downtown when I heard this brief "thump" it wasn't loud, but it was definitely noticeable. It made me look up at the sky briefly before I realized what I just heard.
That’s pretty interesting. A car door slamming has bugged me before, but it would probably be bearable. A sonic boom however… I thought I was experiencing an earthquake for about 20 seconds the one time in my life I heard one. “Probably.” It _was_ just fine, if it really is like a car door slamming on the street outside. I lived in a building where I was right next to the car park and ppl leaving taxis and stuff. It was usually fine, though I definitely heard the doors. But “bearable” is putting up with jets and helicopters interrupting conversations and TV for a minute or so in the daytime. A car door slamming is way more minor than that.
@@kaitlyn__L I still remember hearing the space shuttle's approach for the first time. Scared the shit out of us and the internet wasn't as developed as it was today. We didn't know what it was until the news that night.
As a boy I flew London - Cairo on Concorde back in 1997, as a gift from a wealthy grandmother. Every passenger got a goody bag with a model of the aircraft, a bottle of champagne and a tin of caviar. Weird and wonderful experience!
@@kaitlyn__L I think we went round Spain and across the Mediterranean. I remember it didn't take very long whatever the route was! The map makes it seem like it couldn't fly over land, when in fact it just couldn't fly supersonic over land. There were lots of routes!
My sister's boss used to fly Concorde from London to New York all the time. He loved that he could fly from London, land in New York, do what he needed to do there, then fly back to London the same day. I suppose he also had the benefit of flying before security measures tagged a few extra hours onto door-to-door airline travel.
That accounts for a lot of why he's seeing such occupancy rates, later in concorde's service. It became an experience that was achievable for a bunch who just wanted to ride it for the sake of it, including it in a once in a lifetime holiday (with such relative price). Those levels weren't sustainable without further price cuts, though I suspect could still have been done profitably under appropriate stewardship.
My school was like 2 miles from one of the main factories/airfields. We had to stand out on a field to spell out “welcome home” during its last flight to said airfield. Interestingly both the school and the airfield are referred to as in Filton, yet neither of them is actually in Filton. Which itself is actually split in two and ran by two different councils so in no way actually represents an actually city district in any meaningful way.
Concord operated for about 4 decades. That's longer than most commercial aircraft. The video repeated refers Concord failing, it didn't fail, it operated well beyond it's expected life time and retired of old age. Concord most definitely was an absolute success.
The thing with "productive time lost in the air" is that if you change a 10 hour flight into a 3 hour flight, you can be fully useful for 7 hours more and simply rest for 3 hours, rather than be partially productive for 10 hours...
Yeah working on planes suck, but the fact that it wasn't even possible back in the concord days made short fight times more valuable. Today the productivity gap between subsonic and sonic flights is smaller due to the amount of work and sleep you can get done on a plane. Smaller, but not gone.
@@Yodah97 Depends on the price of the flight, doesn’t it? If I fly economy/ business sure but in luxury classes, productivity is not an issue. So it COULD be eliminated today - it’s just not cost effective.
@@Yodah97 Of course it will be eventually in my opinion but I doubt that it will happen in the next 10 years. Innovation is costly and often not very profitable in the short term. It has been decades since the invention of trains and yet, despite excellent success in a lot of areas of the field and working examples of high speed systems that provide great services, in most developed nations, riding on a railroad is merely a way to get from A to B in a somewhat crowded area at moderate speeds where working efficiently is not really possible. While we seem to improve exponentially, reforms of existent technology also get more and more expensive. Crypto currencies and similar methods of transaction for instance already require gigantic amounts of electricity in relatively early states of their popular acceptance and usage.
You should do "Economics of Night Trains" - noting the creation of NightJet in 2016 and the recent rise in political/environmental interest in overnight rail services across Europe
Well it’s still correct when you consider the development cost of the Concorde BA was able to turn them into a profit because they only paid one pound per aircraft.
I was only 3 years old when Concorde went out of business for good. When I first saw what one looked like when I was 8, I've since been fascinated by its unique shape and ability to fly at 60 thousand feet. Since I've never even had the chance to experience Concorde, I would LOVE if one of these companies helps it have a second life, because we seriously need another one back in the skies
I was fortunate enough to experience a flight on Concord. True enough it was only from London to Amsterdam and not supersonic but as the pilot said on takeoff “I’ll give it full wellie” WoW what an experience..
I would argue that it “worked” last time with Concorde. Admittedly on nowhere near the number of destinations the designers or airlines wanted, but was hugely successful at its peak on transatlantic routes and flew for 30 years before its sad retirement.
@@mwd331 You mean revenue (the money cashed from the consumers), not profit. The plane's operation was HEAVILY subsided. If your figure is right, BA surely was broke by then, because the number of Concorde flights was a tiny fraction of the whole airline operation.
@@mwd331 I am no less an enthusiast of Concorde as a technology than you. I just regret that the market was not ready for it. As a matter of fact I just don't know when it will. Its performance demands VERY expensive systems. Maybe an executive jet for very wealthy people, as some are being designed today.
Our comrade citizens also don't give a damn about that noise when our top plane is flying supersonic OVER LAND from Moscow to Almaty! Take that, capitalists!
Honolulu seems like a perfect hub for these. Lots of flights from the continental US, Japan, Australia, etc., come though HNL, and they're all mainly over water.
Not really. Honolulu is a tourist hub, not a business hub. Passengers are too price sensitive and there likely isn't enough business travel to sustain a supersonic plane. They will just fly cheaper subsonic flights. Routes like LA to Tokyo are where the money is.
they should just drop these noise restrictions...all ppl do is complain about something that by its nature is loud...sst would be much more beneficial...
@@Buffalo_Soldier so not only do you not want supersonic flight...you want to ruin the way cars sound...it doesnt hurt anyone...ppl have been living with it for so long now...driving a quiet sports car is boring...the soul is gone...half the reason i dont like EVs is that they are too quiet...i lived near an air base with b52s and b1s taking off...they are not quiet by any means...several times a day youd hear a b1 take off full afterburner...no one died or went crazy or had hearing loss...it doesnt hurt anyone...you want to make the world a boring place where driving a fast loud car doesnt get your blood flowing...and never moves past subsonic flight...time efficiency and fun is more important than a quiet city...the speed limits on the interstates should be raised to 85 across the US to make better time...and its safer...you have boring written all over you by that comment alone...
I kinda did this too, like 2 years ago I did my paper on just planes in general both military and civil, one was the concorde and well.....it was hard but worth it
"ran over a piece of engine cowling that a previous departure had lost" This. People forget that it was debris from ANOTHER flight that caused the tragic crash, the crash didn't happen on its own. The attractiveness of supersonic travel declined because people remember this crash, on top of the noise, and think all supersonic jets are dangerous
I think the Concorde violated some safety margin, like having a tire that explode and having hull closer to the ground. The debris is like a tiny domino pieces that trigger the whole system to collapse.
Aerion is shutting down today. I think it's highly unlikely that any of these companies will succeed. Business travel will never fully recover after COVID and it will be hard to secure financing.
Regarding financing: I wonder how badly the military wants this thing. If they can quiet the supersonic boom, the military can make much stealthier aircraft. If they can't, civilian use of supersonic aircraft over land means that even if people do hear it, they won't point to the military.
My cousin's father in law was a Concorde pilot, we call him Mr. Super Sonic, he's a true English gentleman and has some truly amazing stories. As a flyer myself, I was utterly in awe; maybe even a bit star struck!
I've followed all of the companies here as well as the Concord and unmentioned TU-144 for the majority of my 62 years. This is the best coverage of the players, their strategies, technologies, and likelihood for success. Very well put together.
When Jay-Z said "Bring back the Concorde", *I felt that* I got to go inside a British Airways Concorde as part of a tour at the Intrepid Museum in NYC, one of the few Concordes displayed outside Europe. And it was a pretty cool experience to be able to sit in the cockpit of the Concorde that made the fastest Transatlantic crossing by any commercial aircraft, the G-BOAD. The Concorde remains my favorite aircraft and I hope one day I'll be able to fly in a supersonic jet myself whether it be across the Atlantic or the Pacific. Boom is playing it smart by targeting that market in case countries don't change laws
I heard tales about Concord flights arriving in New York and other airports. Joining the queue. And getting pushed to near the top of the list of aircraft to get on the ground. They were actually terrible at subsonic flight in terms of fuel efficiency. Spending about half of their fuel over about a quarter of their journey. The other half was used to cover 3 times the distance. They were built to do one thing well. Supersonic flight. And that indeed they did. Which was why not only did they cross the atlantic at super fast speeds: they had effectively priority landing clearance too. Because Air traffic controllers knew they lacked a good endurance in holding pattern flight. Be curious to see what these new creations do to manage that. Engine technology has come a long way since the 1970s.
@@glenmcgillivray4707 aerodynamics have, too. It should be possible to have a plane that can fly Mach >1 and have it not suck fuel down like bottomless mimosas
@@counterfit5 again. Concord was more fuel efficient with full afterburners than flying low and slow. The engines were properly sized for their intended role. Admittedly with new engines we might squeeze out 10-15% more endurance. With better aerodynamics maybe 10-20%. And with better crew conditions? Who knows. I hope they go ramjet like the old SR71 and let us push limits up to mach 3. We would have leaking planes to go faster than that. We don't have many materials to endure thermal expansion at these stresses. Which was why the SR71 despite being more fuel efficient the faster she flew, limited their speeds, and leaked on the runway despite constantly getting fuel tank seals re-sealed with every refit. The metal got hot, and it would break down the joining fuel proof seal materials.
There are places in the world, Russia and South Africa come to mind, where I believe you can already book a flight experience supersonic. In Russia its on a Mig 35 I think, which climbs vertically to be almost a spaceflight. Actually, the video doesnt mention that Mig considered building a civilian executive jet based on a stretched Mig 35. Personally, I would like to travel supersonin in a car!
@@alexspareone3872 sonic booms at ground level create new complications. It is unlikely anything not bolted around rails is likely to go supersonic any time soon.
@@lookingforsomething They just need to use hydrogen oxygen rockets that go sub orbital and can go from LA to Sidney in 1.5 hours. Literally just creates water as waste.
Yeah, I can't help but think that's going to be the biggest hurdle for these companies. By the 2030s, a plane that pollutes even more than most is going to be an even harder sell.
Its one thing to lower the noise of the sonic boom, its another thing to change the environmental issues that the boom itself creates. If aerion, boom, and spike can tackle that issue, and come up with a way to change the boom noise limits, then there is no doubt that these companies are going to be highly profitable. Edit: Welp, helps to read the rest of the comments…
I saw the Concord takeoff at Heathrow in the early 90’s. It was significantly louder than the 747s on takeoff. I grew up near Beal AFB and every once in a while we would get a sonic boom from a SR-71 shake our house.
I'm currently up the hill a bit in nearby Penn Valley, and even out here (away from the flight path of Beale), I can still hear the jets come in for takeoff and landing.
I remember the boom not being that bad. I think is was probably only bad for those living in the vicinity of where these planes started descending lower, or were still ascending.
I heard that they managed to get their hands on the concorde plans and that's how they were able to build it. But they didn't manage to get the plans for what kept it's fuel efficiency, so the Russian one used a lot more fuel and was therefore a lot more expensive to fly.
@@jms6945 It had to use the afterburners in order to maintain supersonic flight, whilst Concorde could shat them down once cruising height and speed were attained.
“Did I ever tell you what the definition of insanity is? Insanity is doing the exact same f***ing thing over and over again expecting s*** to change. That is crazy.”
@Umbrella With no videos or content?!?! As someone who rarely flies, I guess? It’s so rare for me that I actually enjoy flying. But I’d much rather high speed train across the country.
The Concorde never failed. An Aircraft that first flew in 1969, entered service in 1976, retired in 2003, was profitable and only had one loss is a success story, hardly a failure
@@ireneuszpyc6684But you just contradicted yourself right there.... if there's anything that's more relevant regarding "cherry-picking data to prove/suit one's narrative" then that's definitely Mainstream Media. I don't think eyeing out one group to "prove" your narrative supports your statement, even though cherry-picking is mostly common with the media, politicians and political groups nowadays
How did this comment inspire two absolutely idiotic political narrative builders to post? Grr religion, grr mainstream media ...mates, we were talking about the CONCORD which is an AIRPLANE.
Another amazing video. Signed up to annual nebula/curiosity stream bundle yesterday, spent most of yesterday and half last night just lying watching nebula! Fab service, some awesome documentaries. Can't wait to get stuck back in later
I used to live in Greenwich London, right under the approach path to Heathrow. These planes were LOUD even while landing and taking off. you always knew when concord came in by the sheer level of noise.
Same but lived in Addlestone in Surrey and often watched her land and takeoff from just outside the airport perimeter. When servicing El-Al Cargo's Dell servers once, she taxied right past the window. El-Al had the best view of them all. Funnily enough, Air India Cargo and PIA Cargo were literally right next door to each other.
2+ weeks after this video Aerion folded. "Aerion abruptly announced on May 21, 2021, that the company would be shutting down due to inability to raise needed capital to proceed" via Wikipedia
I grew up on the South coast of Ireland, the concord would go supersonic when it hit the Celtic sea and its sonic boom would rattle our windows twice a day. We were over 100m from a quiet rural road so it was far easier to hear distant sounds than it would be for most people still it was not even a minor annoyance, it's nothing compared to traffic noise from cars and trucks that the vast majority of people must endure. The big issue with supersonic flight is unsustainable fuel consumption.
Honestly the only reason why I want supersonic travel to return and be made more affordable is because I don't want to sit 12+ hours in economy class on a normal plane just to visit Asia.
Living 30 miles west of Heathrow, the boom wasn't a problem, but the roar of the engines made conversation impossible for about a minute as she flew overhead (on takeoff) I don't know anyone who doesn't miss that daily 11am roar. Right up until the end everyone would just look up and admire her flying past, then conversations would continue as the noise subsided. It was funny that the interruption wouldn't even be mentioned unless somebody was visiting and they brought it up. There was a lot of national pride in Concorde, I'm not sure that'll carry over to a new aircraft design.
I think there is something more tolerable about those types of nuisances when there is pride in it. It is one thing to see something that is first of it kind but I don't want a loud polluting aircraft going overhead just so an airline can make a few more dollars and some rich people can show off there money. I honestly would be far more annoyed at the private jets than a loud passenger airline.
"Aerion is not in the business of selling pipe dreams" They're not in the business of selling anything. Whole company's shutting down. Pop goes the bullshit
@@playlets6465 modern missiles can shoot down the sr-71, especially anti ICBM missiles that can intercept a re-entry vehicle at the edge of space, even the sr-71 is not immune to attack, NATO aircraft in a few exercises were able to get high enough to theoretically intercept and destroy the plane and at those altitudes and speed out turning a missile is impossible. I'm not against a supersonic air force one but speed and altitude is no longer a safe place because weapons technology keeps getting more and more advanced
That's not as impressive as it sounds. I was an Air Force cadet in the aero engineering program while they were there. They just rented our engine test room and one of our engines to gather data. We don't help them at all.
Btw, the reason they came to us is because they are based in Denver and our campus is an hour south of them. There aren't many aircraft test facilities in Colorado, so we were their only choice.
As a kid in the UK, hearing the boom of Concorde every evening at around 7.20pm on it's flight path from New York to London, regular as clockwork, was normal. It didn't sound like a chainsaw in your hand. In fact, you could barely hear it at all, it was more a shockwave you felt accompanied by a single clap of VERY distant thunder. Windows rattled slightly for a second, seagulls took off, people looked up and smiled. That was it. We all knew what it was and accepted it. It never interfered with everyday life, it was PART of life, like a clock chiming that you stop hearing after a while. When the flights finally stopped, the lack of boom in the evenings was deafening for a long, long time.
you were hearing the boom from far off, it slowed down when approaching the land. the boom directly above you would be alot louder. (i assume this, i lived near a base for a while, the booms were nuts, so its a educated guess)
@@redhairdavid In Bristol I was directly below the flight path, I don't know what altitude Concorde was at that point so you could be right about it slowing down / speeding up. It would be interesting to make a flight plan in microsoft flight sim to see altitudes and determine where it used to hit mach 1 over Britain and the US, but my old pc would die if I even mentioned installing it. Concorde only went supersonic above 35000 feet or higher, so at ground level the boom is audible, but certainly not loud - even if it is directly overhead. When you consider the average cruising altitude at mach 2 was between 50000 and 60000 feet, noise on the ground really isn't an issue. Totally different story for fighter jets flying low though ;)
Something that I think got left out of the discussion, when you mentioned that time on a plane is no longer unproductive time, is that very little business travel is going to be time critical at all. For things that are time critical, businesses will most likely turn to telepresence over travel. There is no need to get from New York to London by tomorrow morning to negotiate and sign an agreement, when you can now set up a Zoom call for the morning, negotiate your agreement, and then sign the agreement using a service like Docusign (you could even do hard copies and send them back and forth by mail if you need the hard copies for posterity). There still will be some need for urgent travel (eg we need an engineer that specializes in X to go to the field to inspect a broken X and determine a method to fix it) but most business travel is going to be something that is planned out weeks, if not months, in advance and will have great flexibility on when the travel occurs (eg we are opening a new branch and need to send out trainers to teach the management at the new location how to operate prior to opening, you could easily move that up or back a week or two without impacting operations too greatly).
Same era as the beginning of NASA. For certain things, govt funding and oversight used to work. Of course, this was before the ascendence of the MIC and their control of the purse strings.
In the same way The Saturn V rocket was. It was highly impractical, exceptionally expensive, decades ahead of its time and because of that it has become an icon.
Hey Sam, good job on this!! Even if a few details were a bit off, you clearly put in a lot of effort to understand a complicated topic, and I appreciate you.
I live in a rural area next to a small airport. Because of the geography of where I live, the Air Force often trains around my area. My dad is an military aircraft buff and we have so much military air traffic that he can identify what specific type of aircraft is going overhead just by sound without having to look up. We have seen everything from Chinooks, Ospreys, numerous types of fighter jets, C-130s and C5 Galaxies. I say all this to say that I would welcome with open arms the prospect of another supersonic jet flying overhead. That noise is such an awesome thing to behold, in the most dictionary-definition sense of the word “awesome”.
Not really. Note what he said. Regulations will prohibit it flying over Europe and Asia, where Emirates operates (correct me if I am wrong and they do actually opperate transantlantic or transpacific routes I don't know of).
I love this channel, even though I don’t know much about planes nor do I really care to. It’s just really interesting to listen to and relax for a couple of minutes :)
Hey dude. a very good attempt to make Concorde look profitable over a 747. it would use 82.45 gallons of fuel per person to travel 80 miles. The Concorde carried only 128 passengers and the 747 carried 467 passengers. That is a 10,553.6 gallons of fuel used compared to the 467 gallons for the 474. In that regard, the Concorde is better at fuel usage, but you have to calculate the total fuel spent per person.
Correction at 8:27 you showed the logo of "Rolls Royce motor car limited" which is an entirely different company from the investor in boom, engine manufacturer "Rolls Royce PLC". They might share name but the are fully different company owned by different corporations.
"If the sound of the plane just passed do not disturb you, some super rich people will be able to fly much faster for ticket prices you will never be able to afford. How did you find the sound?"
As a traveler that frequents TPAC flights in business class, I can tell you that I value hotel bed time more than airplane lie-flat time. Reducing the flight time on the brutal 12+ hour flights would be HUGE.
High speed internet has hurt the viability as well. When certain business absolutely had to be conducted in person there was real value to cutting a 6 hour flight in half to some people. But with the ability to work the entire flight in spacious first class or on a private jet the time doesn’t matter as much.
Another Challenge for Commercial flights is the increased Ground time in the post 9/11 world. If you need to spend 2hrs on either end of a flight on the ground, knocking few hours off a shorter flight matters less. It would still help with longer haul routes like LA to Sydney if the plane has the range,
"They'll then gather feedback from those on the ground, essentially asking if the sound is tolerable." People tolerating sounds from aircraft would be a first...
They should test it on Florida, above the retirement homes. - Boom? Nope. Hey George, did you hear any booms today? - Can't hear you, my batteries are dead again.
I live in a town with a military airfield so we routinely hear a bunch of noise when they do testflights of fighter jets. It's a bit more than slamming a car door, i'll tell ya. Though i guess it's also more rare than commercial flight takeoffs.
@@volbla sometimes fighter jets will fly super low between the hills at our property ~1 hr outside of san antonio. it happens very rarely, but when it does it feels like all of the windows in our house are going to shatter. it is fucking violently loud and shaky.
I still remember that video about why planes aren't faster, it's because people would rather fly a 7 hrs luxurious trip than a 3.5 hrs squeezed like a salmon in a tin
It’s so hard to pay attention after noticing that Every. Sentence. Ends. Like. This. It’s a neuroatypical thing. Can’t actually hear the words anymore because I’m anticipating the pattern.
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i kinda dislike pauses like that a lot of the time but when he does it it keeps a slightly better pace
@@commie281 I disagree entirely. I find this video topic really interesting but I can't stand the vocal pace changing. I find it distracting and can't focus on what is being discussed. I've stopped watching this video because of this pulsing vocals and I've stopped watching other channels who does as well. I hate it!
@@bobjoe1469 He didn't used to do this, and it's been getting worse and more annoying. Sam, you're getting worse than _William Shatner! _*_Cut it out!_*
Therefore...
curse you for pointing this out, I can’t unhear it anymore
It’s been 2 months since an airline video, I’m surprised he made it this long tbh
he tried to quit cold turkey but he was on the verge of insanity and had to upload dis
@@6z0 It’s an addiction, Sam needs to go to rehab
He likes them a lot lol
@@KiLLJoYUA-cam that’s an understatement, he is ADDICTED
Planes should be counted as one of the most dangerous drugs. Globally
In the last 6 months of Concorde people knew it was the last 6 months of Concorde, there wasn't ever going to be a problem filling those seats because people just wanted to be able to say they had flown Concorde. It was effectively an amusment park ride at that point.
Exactly. I know a couple of people who booked flights solely because it was going to be retired. They just stayed in the airport and waited for the flight home =)
I agree
An amusement park ride that could still get you from NY to London in a few hours.
The same happened with basically every airlines last 747 flight(s). Tons of people go way out of their way just to get to fly on the Queen.
This guy never gets tired of planes. True legend.
Just like my ex never got tired of screwing other guys
@@DyslexicMitochondria You wanna talk?
When he does, he talks about bricks.
@@DyslexicMitochondria Weed eater.
@@DyslexicMitochondria I swear ever since I subscribed to you I see you everywhere
Concorde used to fly over my house when I was a kid. We lived right at the coast of the Bristol Channel, which was the point at which Concorde was allowed to go supersonic. Sometimes they'd go supersonic a bit early. The boom was real. I used to love hearing it because I was amazed by Concorde, but it was loud and sometimes the windows used to shake.
Wait for the the protests over a 4th runway at Heathrow especially for supersonic planes!
Before Concorde came into service, tests were carried out allowing RAF jets to fly supersonic over London and waiting for the complaints! I remember it well!
I live in the Bristol Channel and at night you ‘ hear the distinctive sound of Concorde look up with binoculars and see them light up the after burners ! Sad that’s now only a memory
@@scammelljones6545 it was a beautiful sight I'm sure!
I had a friend who lived below a flight route near our local airport, and I used to housesit for him. I don't know how he lived with the sounds of planes coming in for a landing throughout the day, and I can't imagine having a sonic boom occur where you lived.
One thing to consider is that the reason why they turned a profit after it was announced they were retiring was because people wanted to try to fly on the concord before it was retired
But the real reason was thanks to the ticket prices reduced to Business Class levels, which lead to a greater load factor per flight which lead into more profit, a 35% Filled Concorde with First Class Prices was able to break even.
If British Airways and Air France had to actually purchase the Concordes and pay back development costs (equivalent to over $20 billion in today's money) you'd get a true gauge of what a financial disaster the plane actually was.
"A" reason, not "the" reason.
You’re ignoring that it was still profitable before. It just got MORE profitable during the last few months
I’m glad you talked about passenger productivity. Amtrak in the US did a similar study. They were focused on speed and reducing commute time between DC and NYC. What they discovered was that most people didn’t care about shaving time off the trip, they cared more about being able to use their time on the train. So Amtrak solved their problem by just including outlets to recharge laptops and free Wi-Fi.
And sucking up more tax payers money
@@cuddlemuffin.9545 Good!
@@cuddlemuffin.9545 Unlike roads and highways which take up no taxpayer money as opposed to those stupid trains
@@persona3448 alright buddy, go build tails in the mid west that can support 70 million people and carry them everywhere..
@@cuddlemuffin.9545 to do that you will need to 1st abolish corruption and putting finger out of their but so that the state can finally own thoses strategic infrastructure called railroads...
The only reason Concorde failed is they didn’t use skillshare
lmao
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Rookie mistake!
Um.....cuz they're all boomers?
They didn’t have honey installed on their flight computers either so they didn’t get the discounts on jet fuel. Led to its downfall
9:40 for anyone who wants examples of this, there are occasions where fighters are cleared for supersonic travel over the continental united states for emergency response and they leave a string of videos of people hearing *BANG* and flinching, dogs bark, kids cry, mass confusion to be had; all because a Cessna was flying in a restricted airspace around the president
Its only because people are not accustomed to the sound. I'll bet it was similar the first time people had commercial planes fly over their houses back in the early days of plane travel
@@benharris7358 BANG
@@benharris7358 I don't think you understand how loud a sonic boom is.
@@azrielsatan8693, it depends entirely on how close to the speed of sound the plane is travelling. If it is travelling Mach 2 then the shockwave is more spread out.
@@benharris7358 and probably also on how high it's flying. If flying higher, the sonic boom gets spread out and absorbed by the air
As a pilot who grew up with a concorde poster above his bed, i can't wait for the chance to fly one of these one day!
Hopefully not over land .. regular old jets are already too damn loud... Honestly humans are too too damn loud in general. There are few places on earth where you can't hear their bullshit
@@William-Morey-Baker there are scientists working on a plane shape that silences sonic booms. Pretty neat.
@@bigsherk42069 As Electric planes will come. My bet in on Electrical plane
@@William-Morey-Baker Jets are loud when taking off/landing. Are they really that loud when they're traveling 30-40k feet?
@@Mike__B no, you can't hear a plane when it's at cruising levels
I grew up as a TWA brat and got to fly on the Concorde once, in 1983, from London to New York. The passenger experience on the plane was actually very similar to subsonic transatlantic first class. The coolest part of the flight was watching the cabin speedometer approach and then surpass Mach 1. Though landing in New York "earlier" than you left London was a little weird.
Pretty much my experience on the Concorde.
And I was a TWA brat too, in Saudi Arabia.
Oh really? It outflew the earth's rotation? That's kind of badass.
@@volbla it sure did. The earth rotates around 1000mph while the Concorde flew at around 1350mph. I left London 10:30 am and arrived at JFK at 9:00am the same day. 😁
@@volbla you do know the time in New York is not the same time as is in London
@@ruzziasht349 Yes. This wasn't about that.
Two weeks later: Aerion Supersonic goes bust.
This aged well.
Bro see my comment from two weeks ago🤣
Not very surprising, the entire aviation industry is screwed. Look how many would-be pilots have to give up their dream of ever flying an airliner because their training doesn't go ahead. Challenging times.
Aerion went Boom
Would be better if these engineers developed something more useful and practical, not supersonic planes for the rich
No tears for them
@@diginaized_official Yeah, I think that the main reason that the big companies aren't going bust are the massive contracts in areas of aviation that aren't being as negatively interrupted. Like military contracts and cargo.
Of all the names they could’ve gone with, they went with “Boom.” That’s like if I named a construction company “Collapse.”
It's more like naming a bridge company "strut". Like, it's an integral part of the product, but not the one I'd focus on in the name
@Bogdan Kondratov and Headshot
@@bandvitromania9642 made possible by Lincoln motors
@@timj. thats a dope name already
I think its more like sonic boom an not a crash boom lol
the first ever supersonic plane (bell x-1, the one that's in D.C. aerospace museum if you look up when you enter, it's bright orange.) was built by a team which included my great-grandfather.
That's cool as hell.
I bet he has some cool stories.
What was your great grandfather's name I gotta know lol?
They also 'stole' a lot of British technology when they designed it!
Your great-grandfather seems pretty fly.
Today - June 3, 2021 - United Airlines announced that they ordered 15 new supersonic jets to be built by American start-up Boom Supersonic, to be completed by the year 2029, pending U.S. government approval. The model is the "Overture", and is expected to be the Concorde's direct successor. Testing will begin in 2025-2026.
It looks indentical to Concord - first seen in 1969
Yay
"to be build" .... "pending approval"
thoses are just stock market stunt anouncement
Sounds to me like the CEO of United Airlines is getting a nice, fat kickback from Boom... They'll write it off as a 'consulting fee'...
And 1% of the the 1% cheered. For the rest of us, we’re just going to suck up the exhaust and the noise.
Marketing Team: Okay so we finally got a great name for our supersonic flight compan--
CEO: BOOM!
Marketing Team: Uh...what are you--?
CEO: ...BOOM.
On the bright side, this makes it possible for them to make an Extended Range variant, and call it a BOOM-ER.
@@awijaya2116 The even faster version of that, presumably made even further in the future, can be named the ZOOM-ER
@@jeffreyau9751 If unsafe, its DOOM
Funny that they do the most work to reduce the sonic boom
I want Ryan George to do this pitch meeting
I love how prestige is one of the reasons for choosing a less comfortable, more expensive mode of transport.
"sir, why do you want to spend $120 million on a small, uncomfortable plane?"
"Because I don't wanna be seen as a poor peasant by flying first class."
That's one of the reasons some will never buy a small plane.
I'm pretty sure the kind of small planes talked about here are very luxurious. Aside from that, rich people like private planes because of privacy and convenience. No need to plan your travel around an airline schedule or walk through a busy airport terminal. You choose the takeoff time you want and the plane and pilots will be standing by waiting for you to drive up and go.
Maybe we commoners just don't understand it.
@@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721
Good joke.
@@qovro if they are like some private jets currently they will be extremely comfortable. Due to my friends circle I have flown private a few times and it really is a leap above 1st class. Even at very high speed in a G6 you hear very little noise
And just like that Aerion is shut down two weeks after you talk about them.
jinxed them bad
Well on the bright side United ordered 15 supersonic jets from Boom
The rest will follow, is just a matter of time. Until than it make interesting news.
G 546
Yeah, a plane that doesn't even exist yet.
@@nimueh4298 the fact that it doesn’t exist yet doesn’t matter. The 707, 717, 727, 737, 747, 757, 767, 777, 787, DC-8, DC-9, DC-10, MD-11, MD-80, MD-90, A300, A310, A320, A330, A340, A350, A380, L1011, CS100, and CS300 all had orders before they were made. Those plane types are currently widely used across airlines or used to be widely used.
I actually heard the Sonic "thump" from one of NASA's tests. I go to college on Galveston Island, just south of Houston. This was like 2 years ago. NASA was testing this new technology just offshore and was asking random citizens on the island what their thoughts was on the noise. I remember walking downtown when I heard this brief "thump" it wasn't loud, but it was definitely noticeable. It made me look up at the sky briefly before I realized what I just heard.
That’s pretty interesting. A car door slamming has bugged me before, but it would probably be bearable. A sonic boom however… I thought I was experiencing an earthquake for about 20 seconds the one time in my life I heard one.
“Probably.” It _was_ just fine, if it really is like a car door slamming on the street outside. I lived in a building where I was right next to the car park and ppl leaving taxis and stuff. It was usually fine, though I definitely heard the doors. But “bearable” is putting up with jets and helicopters interrupting conversations and TV for a minute or so in the daytime. A car door slamming is way more minor than that.
That will have been with the modified F-18 that NASA used for early testing of some of the features that are going into the X-59.
@@kaitlyn__L I still remember hearing the space shuttle's approach for the first time. Scared the shit out of us and the internet wasn't as developed as it was today. We didn't know what it was until the news that night.
@@kaitlyn__L 20 seconds? Lol ummmm ok probably was an earthquake. I’ve never heard one last longer than seconds…..and I heard plenty in the military.
As a boy I flew London - Cairo on Concorde back in 1997, as a gift from a wealthy grandmother. Every passenger got a goody bag with a model of the aircraft, a bottle of champagne and a tin of caviar. Weird and wonderful experience!
How kind of her. I hope you enjoyed it
I’m glad they did have at least one other route, I was thinking Cairo should be disabled when looking at that map.
Should've been a charter flight, I guess
@@kaitlyn__L I think we went round Spain and across the Mediterranean. I remember it didn't take very long whatever the route was!
The map makes it seem like it couldn't fly over land, when in fact it just couldn't fly supersonic over land. There were lots of routes!
Did your granny want the champagne? Did you try the caviar? What did you do with the model?
My sister's boss used to fly Concorde from London to New York all the time. He loved that he could fly from London, land in New York, do what he needed to do there, then fly back to London the same day. I suppose he also had the benefit of flying before security measures tagged a few extra hours onto door-to-door airline travel.
I remember the hype over Concorde's last flight in 2003. I still can't believe it has been almost 20 years...
I know, I was 10 when they stopped flying those. -_-
That accounts for a lot of why he's seeing such occupancy rates, later in concorde's service. It became an experience that was achievable for a bunch who just wanted to ride it for the sake of it, including it in a once in a lifetime holiday (with such relative price). Those levels weren't sustainable without further price cuts, though I suspect could still have been done profitably under appropriate stewardship.
My school was like 2 miles from one of the main factories/airfields. We had to stand out on a field to spell out “welcome home” during its last flight to said airfield. Interestingly both the school and the airfield are referred to as in Filton, yet neither of them is actually in Filton. Which itself is actually split in two and ran by two different councils so in no way actually represents an actually city district in any meaningful way.
I wonder how much faster Elons rockets would be after they make it passenger friendly.
I was born exactly 5 days after Concordes last flight. Kinda cool.
Welp, United just bought 15 of these that are coming in 2029! You predicted it!
50 actually
Could have had it in 1969 had the US not banned it.
@@ruzziasht349 well, I'm not sure but I'm pretty sure you mean 1976.
@@abrahamlincoln4399 - 2nd March 1969 was the first flight of Concord.
@@ruzziasht349 okay, thanks. But wasn't it launched for the public in 1976?
Concord operated for about 4 decades. That's longer than most commercial aircraft.
The video repeated refers Concord failing, it didn't fail, it operated well beyond it's expected life time and retired of old age.
Concord most definitely was an absolute success.
The thing with "productive time lost in the air" is that if you change a 10 hour flight into a 3 hour flight, you can be fully useful for 7 hours more and simply rest for 3 hours, rather than be partially productive for 10 hours...
Yeah working on planes suck, but the fact that it wasn't even possible back in the concord days made short fight times more valuable. Today the productivity gap between subsonic and sonic flights is smaller due to the amount of work and sleep you can get done on a plane. Smaller, but not gone.
@@Yodah97 Depends on the price of the flight, doesn’t it? If I fly economy/ business sure but in luxury classes, productivity is not an issue.
So it COULD be eliminated today - it’s just not cost effective.
@@Arcaryon Indeed. I hadn't thought of that. I'm really not sure if supersonic flight is worth the hassle outside of private jets.
Also now with internet you may not even need to fly at all.
@@Yodah97 Of course it will be eventually in my opinion but I doubt that it will happen in the next 10 years. Innovation is costly and often not very profitable in the short term.
It has been decades since the invention of trains and yet, despite excellent success in a lot of areas of the field and working examples of high speed systems that provide great services, in most developed nations, riding on a railroad is merely a way to get from A to B in a somewhat crowded area at moderate speeds where working efficiently is not really possible.
While we seem to improve exponentially, reforms of existent technology also get more and more expensive.
Crypto currencies and similar methods of transaction for instance already require gigantic amounts of electricity in relatively early states of their popular acceptance and usage.
"You don't want to use the word "Boom" with a supersonic airplane." - Peggy Olson, probably.
You don’t want to use “boom” with ANYTHING.
but supersonic airplanes are de facto associated with "sonic boom"
@@admirali.a.6175 in Dutch the word 'boom' means tree. The double o is pronounced like a long o as in over.
You can't say boom on a plane
Fermitu Poupon
Like Boh-m?
You should do "Economics of Night Trains" - noting the creation of NightJet in 2016 and the recent rise in political/environmental interest in overnight rail services across Europe
"Nearly everyone has heard some version of why concord failed"
This is what we call the curse of knowledge effect
I'm from Russia and I would be surprised even if 10% of my familiars were ever wondered why Concorde failed
Or at least in what decade it did happen
Well it’s still correct when you consider the development cost of the Concorde BA was able to turn them into a profit because they only paid one pound per aircraft.
I was only 3 years old when Concorde went out of business for good. When I first saw what one looked like when I was 8, I've since been fascinated by its unique shape and ability to fly at 60 thousand feet. Since I've never even had the chance to experience Concorde, I would LOVE if one of these companies helps it have a second life, because we seriously need another one back in the skies
I was fortunate enough to experience a flight on Concord. True enough it was only from London to Amsterdam and not supersonic but as the pilot said on takeoff “I’ll give it full wellie” WoW what an experience..
Norman Pickering that honestly sounds amazing. Just to experience one in action, no matter what route, is historic now
You must've enjoyed hearing how united ordered 15 planes from boom so theres a decent chance of them succeeding I'd think
Lol I was a newborn when it went out...
@@fortcrafterbossbehold9027 Imagine being born before it retired
I would argue that it “worked” last time with Concorde. Admittedly on nowhere near the number of destinations the designers or airlines wanted, but was hugely successful at its peak on transatlantic routes and flew for 30 years before its sad retirement.
By successful I believe you mean "admired".
@@jujenho with the concorde fleet making 25% of BA's revenue at one point, yes pretty successful.
@@mwd331 You mean revenue (the money cashed from the consumers), not profit. The plane's operation was HEAVILY subsided. If your figure is right, BA surely was broke by then, because the number of Concorde flights was a tiny fraction of the whole airline operation.
@@jujenho ok, that’s all reasonable and true. I just really like what it technically represented and achieved. (also I do understand what revenue is).
@@mwd331 I am no less an enthusiast of Concorde as a technology than you. I just regret that the market was not ready for it. As a matter of fact I just don't know when it will. Its performance demands VERY expensive systems. Maybe an executive jet for very wealthy people, as some are being designed today.
Soviet TU-144 be like : I offer caviar on the plane and paper and pens so you can communicate with you friends on board because it’s too damn loud
“Hey I exist! Shit, dropped an engine, hold on...”
He actually shows it at 10:43
And that's not even close to the Ruskie's loudest aircraft, the Tu-95 and Tu-114.
Wonder how the noise of the 114 compared to the Concorde's booms?
Yep. :P
Our comrade citizens also don't give a damn about that noise when our top plane is flying supersonic OVER LAND from Moscow to Almaty! Take that, capitalists!
Sam returning to his roots in airplanes. We missed it. Thank you. Your plane videos are always my favorite.
Honolulu seems like a perfect hub for these. Lots of flights from the continental US, Japan, Australia, etc., come though HNL, and they're all mainly over water.
Not really. Honolulu is a tourist hub, not a business hub. Passengers are too price sensitive and there likely isn't enough business travel to sustain a supersonic plane. They will just fly cheaper subsonic flights. Routes like LA to Tokyo are where the money is.
@@jamesdinius7769 fax
they should just drop these noise restrictions...all ppl do is complain about something that by its nature is loud...sst would be much more beneficial...
@@Buffalo_Soldier so not only do you not want supersonic flight...you want to ruin the way cars sound...it doesnt hurt anyone...ppl have been living with it for so long now...driving a quiet sports car is boring...the soul is gone...half the reason i dont like EVs is that they are too quiet...i lived near an air base with b52s and b1s taking off...they are not quiet by any means...several times a day youd hear a b1 take off full afterburner...no one died or went crazy or had hearing loss...it doesnt hurt anyone...you want to make the world a boring place where driving a fast loud car doesnt get your blood flowing...and never moves past subsonic flight...time efficiency and fun is more important than a quiet city...the speed limits on the interstates should be raised to 85 across the US to make better time...and its safer...you have boring written all over you by that comment alone...
@@MariktheWolf Wait, speed limits on interstates DON'T reach 90 mph? What's the speed limit?
I wrote a paper on this exact topic back in 6th grade 8 years ago, it’s crazy how much of what I wrote is still in progress and still stands
Yah yah okay. If you're done patting yourself on the back I'd like to get back to the video
I kinda did this too, like 2 years ago I did my paper on just planes in general both military and civil, one was the concorde and well.....it was hard but worth it
@@MrQuinnlord then watch the video bozo
@@MrQuinnlord but the comment wasn't stopping you from watching the video, you were
The way this narrator talks IS PATHETIC.
"ran over a piece of engine cowling that a previous departure had lost"
This. People forget that it was debris from ANOTHER flight that caused the tragic crash, the crash didn't happen on its own. The attractiveness of supersonic travel declined because people remember this crash, on top of the noise, and think all supersonic jets are dangerous
The DC-10 was such a piece of shit that it wasn't even satisfied with only killing its own passengers.
I think the Concorde violated some safety margin, like having a tire that explode and having hull closer to the ground. The debris is like a tiny domino pieces that trigger the whole system to collapse.
@@jaffacalling53 Early ones certainly but I often flew on British Caledonian DC-10-30s and I absolutely loved the flights on them.
All supersonic jets are dangerous!
To be fair it was getting quite old and was probably overdue for another generation when they decided to stop flying them.
Aerion is shutting down today. I think it's highly unlikely that any of these companies will succeed. Business travel will never fully recover after COVID and it will be hard to secure financing.
Atleast they are trying
United just made an offer to buy Supersonic planes today
I agree with you business travel will never recover.... the videoconference was very successful over the epidemic.
Chris Joondeph
A working model doesn't even exist, as of now it makes interesting news. In the long run I doubt it will happen.
Regarding financing: I wonder how badly the military wants this thing. If they can quiet the supersonic boom, the military can make much stealthier aircraft. If they can't, civilian use of supersonic aircraft over land means that even if people do hear it, they won't point to the military.
My cousin's father in law was a Concorde pilot, we call him Mr. Super Sonic, he's a true English gentleman and has some truly amazing stories. As a flyer myself, I was utterly in awe; maybe even a bit star struck!
This is exciting
Hehe
It transports less people burning more fuel.. it's just not environmentally sensible.
Sure is
@@cyberceel bruh
@@cyberceel bruh
I've followed all of the companies here as well as the Concord and unmentioned TU-144 for the majority of my 62 years. This is the best coverage of the players, their strategies, technologies, and likelihood for success. Very well put together.
When Jay-Z said "Bring back the Concorde", *I felt that*
I got to go inside a British Airways Concorde as part of a tour at the Intrepid Museum in NYC, one of the few Concordes displayed outside Europe. And it was a pretty cool experience to be able to sit in the cockpit of the Concorde that made the fastest Transatlantic crossing by any commercial aircraft, the G-BOAD. The Concorde remains my favorite aircraft and I hope one day I'll be able to fly in a supersonic jet myself whether it be across the Atlantic or the Pacific. Boom is playing it smart by targeting that market in case countries don't change laws
I heard tales about Concord flights arriving in New York and other airports. Joining the queue. And getting pushed to near the top of the list of aircraft to get on the ground.
They were actually terrible at subsonic flight in terms of fuel efficiency. Spending about half of their fuel over about a quarter of their journey. The other half was used to cover 3 times the distance.
They were built to do one thing well. Supersonic flight. And that indeed they did.
Which was why not only did they cross the atlantic at super fast speeds: they had effectively priority landing clearance too.
Because Air traffic controllers knew they lacked a good endurance in holding pattern flight.
Be curious to see what these new creations do to manage that.
Engine technology has come a long way since the 1970s.
@@glenmcgillivray4707 aerodynamics have, too. It should be possible to have a plane that can fly Mach >1 and have it not suck fuel down like bottomless mimosas
@@counterfit5 again. Concord was more fuel efficient with full afterburners than flying low and slow.
The engines were properly sized for their intended role.
Admittedly with new engines we might squeeze out 10-15% more endurance.
With better aerodynamics maybe 10-20%.
And with better crew conditions? Who knows.
I hope they go ramjet like the old SR71 and let us push limits up to mach 3.
We would have leaking planes to go faster than that. We don't have many materials to endure thermal expansion at these stresses.
Which was why the SR71 despite being more fuel efficient the faster she flew, limited their speeds, and leaked on the runway despite constantly getting fuel tank seals re-sealed with every refit.
The metal got hot, and it would break down the joining fuel proof seal materials.
There are places in the world, Russia and South Africa come to mind, where I believe you can already book a flight experience supersonic. In Russia its on a Mig 35 I think, which climbs vertically to be almost a spaceflight. Actually, the video doesnt mention that Mig considered building a civilian executive jet based on a stretched Mig 35. Personally, I would like to travel supersonin in a car!
@@alexspareone3872 sonic booms at ground level create new complications. It is unlikely anything not bolted around rails is likely to go supersonic any time soon.
Everyone: worrying abt efficiency and how to make aviation more echo friendly
These guys: GOTTA GO FAST
"echo-friendly" indeed. I do worry though. We don't need airplanes that pollute more, but ones that pollute less.
@@lookingforsomething They just need to use hydrogen oxygen rockets that go sub orbital and can go from LA to Sidney in 1.5 hours. Literally just creates water as waste.
Yeah, I can't help but think that's going to be the biggest hurdle for these companies. By the 2030s, a plane that pollutes even more than most is going to be an even harder sell.
Its one thing to lower the noise of the sonic boom, its another thing to change the environmental issues that the boom itself creates. If aerion, boom, and spike can tackle that issue, and come up with a way to change the boom noise limits, then there is no doubt that these companies are going to be highly profitable.
Edit:
Welp, helps to read the rest of the comments…
flying suborbital would solve that issue, wouldn't it? There wouldn't be any air for the sound to travel through
I saw the Concord takeoff at Heathrow in the early 90’s. It was significantly louder than the 747s on takeoff. I grew up near Beal AFB and every once in a while we would get a sonic boom from a SR-71 shake our house.
Yeah, sorta makes me not hate the Concorde idea, but also not like it.
I'm currently up the hill a bit in nearby Penn Valley, and even out here (away from the flight path of Beale), I can still hear the jets come in for takeoff and landing.
As a child we enjoyed the suprise of frequent sonic booms ..living close to the air force academy
I wish I was there when supersonic flyovers were allowed.
How is your hearing?
@@cybergeek5476 huh?
@@dickydoodle8454 He thinks distant sonic booms will hurt your hearing
I remember the boom not being that bad.
I think is was probably only bad for those living in the vicinity of where these planes started descending lower, or were still ascending.
Also, there was a Russian Concorde, the Tupolev Tu-144, which crashed a few times, but nobody seems to remember because it was a Soviet aircraft.
I heard that they managed to get their hands on the concorde plans and that's how they were able to build it. But they didn't manage to get the plans for what kept it's fuel efficiency, so the Russian one used a lot more fuel and was therefore a lot more expensive to fly.
@@jms6945 It had to use the afterburners in order to maintain supersonic flight, whilst Concorde could shat them down once cruising height and speed were attained.
@@rogerstone3068 oh OK. Thank you
It was so loud it was impractical.
"This time is different!"... Yeah, the most expensive sentence ever is here again, I see
“Did I ever tell you what the definition of insanity is? Insanity is doing the exact same f***ing thing over and over again expecting s*** to change. That is crazy.”
"Just another $20,000,000. I swear!"
Who's AWAKE in 2021?
Yes. I also like “this time is different again” 😂
Tbh, i just really hope that if they come back this time they are able to stay
If they offer business class seats I don't see why they won't stay.
But mr wendover man never talked about fuel and the inevitable damage that will cause do idk if it’ll be a big thing
I hope they'll have a Droop Snoot
@@camdizzle If they don’t you can always ride in a rocket.
@@KRYMauL rocketboi time 😂
...i rememeber hearing Concorde growing up back in Nova scotia. It would move the storm windows in the farm house i grew up in... it was SO loud.
Super sonic is like that thing we didn’t think we need.
I mean I don’t see myself ever needing to do this outside of pure 1 time experience.
@Umbrella With no videos or content?!?! As someone who rarely flies, I guess? It’s so rare for me that I actually enjoy flying. But I’d much rather high speed train across the country.
@Umbrella With no videos or content?!?! Not if it burns that much more fuel. If we develop hydrogen supersonic plane then maybe.
@@pyroman2918 hydrogen isn't fuel suddenly?
@@ronylouis0 From the context it's clear that I mean fossil fuel.
The Concorde never failed. An Aircraft that first flew in 1969, entered service in 1976, retired in 2003, was profitable and only had one loss is a success story, hardly a failure
you act like a religious freak: you cherry-pick data to "prove" your favourite narrative
I think the manufacturers and the French and British governments would disagree with you.
@@ireneuszpyc6684But you just contradicted yourself right there.... if there's anything that's more relevant regarding "cherry-picking data to prove/suit one's narrative" then that's definitely Mainstream Media. I don't think eyeing out one group to "prove" your narrative supports your statement, even though cherry-picking is mostly common with the media, politicians and political groups nowadays
How did this comment inspire two absolutely idiotic political narrative builders to post? Grr religion, grr mainstream media ...mates, we were talking about the CONCORD which is an AIRPLANE.
Be Kind To Birds Lmao
Another amazing video. Signed up to annual nebula/curiosity stream bundle yesterday, spent most of yesterday and half last night just lying watching nebula! Fab service, some awesome documentaries. Can't wait to get stuck back in later
Fun fact: flights from detroit to chicago are so short and change time zones, you arrive before you left
Back to the future
I used to live in Greenwich London, right under the approach path to Heathrow. These planes were LOUD even while landing and taking off. you always knew when concord came in by the sheer level of noise.
Same but lived in Addlestone in Surrey and often watched her land and takeoff from just outside the airport perimeter. When servicing El-Al Cargo's Dell servers once, she taxied right past the window. El-Al had the best view of them all. Funnily enough, Air India Cargo and PIA Cargo were literally right next door to each other.
2+ weeks after this video Aerion folded. "Aerion abruptly announced on May 21, 2021, that the company would be shutting down due to inability to raise needed capital to proceed" via Wikipedia
International air travel: stops
Wendover: and I took that personally
I grew up on the South coast of Ireland, the concord would go supersonic when it hit the Celtic sea and its sonic boom would rattle our windows twice a day. We were over 100m from a quiet rural road so it was far easier to hear distant sounds than it would be for most people still it was not even a minor annoyance, it's nothing compared to traffic noise from cars and trucks that the vast majority of people must endure. The big issue with supersonic flight is unsustainable fuel consumption.
You are a peasant. The elites don't care about you. They are important, and want to go fast. Wear earplugs.
Honestly the only reason why I want supersonic travel to return and be made more affordable is because I don't want to sit 12+ hours in economy class on a normal plane just to visit Asia.
First world problems
Living 30 miles west of Heathrow, the boom wasn't a problem, but the roar of the engines made conversation impossible for about a minute as she flew overhead (on takeoff)
I don't know anyone who doesn't miss that daily 11am roar. Right up until the end everyone would just look up and admire her flying past, then conversations would continue as the noise subsided. It was funny that the interruption wouldn't even be mentioned unless somebody was visiting and they brought it up.
There was a lot of national pride in Concorde, I'm not sure that'll carry over to a new aircraft design.
I think there is something more tolerable about those types of nuisances when there is pride in it. It is one thing to see something that is first of it kind but I don't want a loud polluting aircraft going overhead just so an airline can make a few more dollars and some rich people can show off there money. I honestly would be far more annoyed at the private jets than a loud passenger airline.
I'm not flying on anything called Boom. I can just imagine the ironic 'Plane goes boom' headlines the day after the crash
Hilarious
Amusing
Train go boom
The supersonic toilets go boom too and some people still use them
Boom go zoom
"Aerion is not in the business of selling pipe dreams"
They're not in the business of selling anything. Whole company's shutting down. Pop goes the bullshit
@bcvbb hyui It was an American company
@@soravulpis96 All companies are.
Does it make a sonic boom when the BS pops?
@@neo214 i mean not the non American ones
Boom got a contract, so there is still some hope.
I was getting worried by the lack of planes on this channel
- no one ever
keep it up I want more floaty bois
Sam from Wendover be like: What's this? A youtube video woefully underpopulated by planes? Why, a large influx of planes ought to put a stop to that!
I love when he’s talking about BOOM’s partners and he’s just casually like yeah they’re backed by the US Air Force no biggie.
well that's mainly because the us airforce would like air force one to be a supersonic jet for whatever reason.
@@cjcolehour2778 that makes sense, I mean imagine if Air Force One was like the SR-71. Missiles wouldn't have a chance of shooting it down
@@playlets6465 modern missiles can shoot down the sr-71, especially anti ICBM missiles that can intercept a re-entry vehicle at the edge of space, even the sr-71 is not immune to attack, NATO aircraft in a few exercises were able to get high enough to theoretically intercept and destroy the plane and at those altitudes and speed out turning a missile is impossible. I'm not against a supersonic air force one but speed and altitude is no longer a safe place because weapons technology keeps getting more and more advanced
That's not as impressive as it sounds. I was an Air Force cadet in the aero engineering program while they were there. They just rented our engine test room and one of our engines to gather data. We don't help them at all.
Btw, the reason they came to us is because they are based in Denver and our campus is an hour south of them. There aren't many aircraft test facilities in Colorado, so we were their only choice.
As a kid in the UK, hearing the boom of Concorde every evening at around 7.20pm on it's flight path from New York to London, regular as clockwork, was normal. It didn't sound like a chainsaw in your hand. In fact, you could barely hear it at all, it was more a shockwave you felt accompanied by a single clap of VERY distant thunder. Windows rattled slightly for a second, seagulls took off, people looked up and smiled. That was it. We all knew what it was and accepted it. It never interfered with everyday life, it was PART of life, like a clock chiming that you stop hearing after a while. When the flights finally stopped, the lack of boom in the evenings was deafening for a long, long time.
you were hearing the boom from far off, it slowed down when approaching the land. the boom directly above you would be alot louder. (i assume this, i lived near a base for a while, the booms were nuts, so its a educated guess)
@@redhairdavid In Bristol I was directly below the flight path, I don't know what altitude Concorde was at that point so you could be right about it slowing down / speeding up. It would be interesting to make a flight plan in microsoft flight sim to see altitudes and determine where it used to hit mach 1 over Britain and the US, but my old pc would die if I even mentioned installing it. Concorde only went supersonic above 35000 feet or higher, so at ground level the boom is audible, but certainly not loud - even if it is directly overhead. When you consider the average cruising altitude at mach 2 was between 50000 and 60000 feet, noise on the ground really isn't an issue. Totally different story for fighter jets flying low though ;)
Something that I think got left out of the discussion, when you mentioned that time on a plane is no longer unproductive time, is that very little business travel is going to be time critical at all. For things that are time critical, businesses will most likely turn to telepresence over travel. There is no need to get from New York to London by tomorrow morning to negotiate and sign an agreement, when you can now set up a Zoom call for the morning, negotiate your agreement, and then sign the agreement using a service like Docusign (you could even do hard copies and send them back and forth by mail if you need the hard copies for posterity).
There still will be some need for urgent travel (eg we need an engineer that specializes in X to go to the field to inspect a broken X and determine a method to fix it) but most business travel is going to be something that is planned out weeks, if not months, in advance and will have great flexibility on when the travel occurs (eg we are opening a new branch and need to send out trainers to teach the management at the new location how to operate prior to opening, you could easily move that up or back a week or two without impacting operations too greatly).
You have no idea how badly I want a supersonic flight experience
When you think about it, Concorde was an astonishing thing, especially for the time it was realized in
Same era as the beginning of NASA. For certain things, govt funding and oversight used to work. Of course, this was before the ascendence of the MIC and their control of the purse strings.
In the same way The Saturn V rocket was. It was highly impractical, exceptionally expensive, decades ahead of its time and because of that it has become an icon.
I remember hearing concord go over NJ once in a while. It was extremely loud. Even regular planes are sometimes loud.
6:37 2023 here.
Aerion shuttered in 2021.
Spike has gone quiet.
Boom it would appear is still doing stuff. XB-1 still hasn't flown.
One of the highlights of my life, seeing the Concord take off.
Hey Sam, good job on this!! Even if a few details were a bit off, you clearly put in a lot of effort to understand a complicated topic, and I appreciate you.
I live in a rural area next to a small airport. Because of the geography of where I live, the Air Force often trains around my area. My dad is an military aircraft buff and we have so much military air traffic that he can identify what specific type of aircraft is going overhead just by sound without having to look up. We have seen everything from Chinooks, Ospreys, numerous types of fighter jets, C-130s and C5 Galaxies. I say all this to say that I would welcome with open arms the prospect of another supersonic jet flying overhead. That noise is such an awesome thing to behold, in the most dictionary-definition sense of the word “awesome”.
Let's be real here, regardless of the cost. Emirates will be in the front door of Boom to grab a fleet of jets XD
So do Etihad & Qatar
Not really. Note what he said. Regulations will prohibit it flying over Europe and Asia, where Emirates operates (correct me if I am wrong and they do actually opperate transantlantic or transpacific routes I don't know of).
Would be nice to hear also about Tu-144 - the Soviet supersonic in this video.
I've heard that the ''BOOM'' project has either failed, or is postponed for an indefinate period.
Concorde was an Engineering marvel, I hope we get to see its successor.
An engineering marvel designed with slide rules and drafting tables.
It was long overdue for Wendover to upload another video about airplanes
2026 sounds so distant. I still think it’s mid-2000s
Two-ish years away😭😭
I love this channel, even though I don’t know much about planes nor do I really care to. It’s just really interesting to listen to and relax for a couple of minutes :)
If I ever hear a 110 decibel noise over my house I’m buying a stinger missile system
We would love a wendover productions video on the process of making a wendover video. How you do your research, organize animations, etc.
okay now after 3 years or so this concorde video is going to make me subscribe to Nebula
And... BOOM, Aerion is defunct!
Hey dude. a very good attempt to make Concorde look profitable over a 747. it would use 82.45 gallons of fuel per person to travel 80 miles. The Concorde carried only 128 passengers and the 747 carried 467 passengers. That is a 10,553.6 gallons of fuel used compared to the 467 gallons for the 474. In that regard, the Concorde is better at fuel usage, but you have to calculate the total fuel spent per person.
Correction
at 8:27 you showed the logo of "Rolls Royce motor car limited" which is an entirely different company from the investor in boom, engine manufacturer "Rolls Royce PLC". They might share name but the are fully different company owned by different corporations.
Pretty sure they have the same logo, that was the very logo on the Malaysia Airlines engine piece that washed up
"If the sound of the plane just passed do not disturb you, some super rich people will be able to fly much faster for ticket prices you will never be able to afford. How did you find the sound?"
Insufferable!
I don’t know if I’m being dumb right now but I can’t seem to understand what you just wrote
Inspiring; I should get off my ass and make some money!
@@Shaker626 wouldn’t it be more likely to be envy or jealousy than inspiring, if one does indeed take it aspirationally at all?
@@Shaker626 Yeah, if the system wasn't rigged against me.
Also, today we've got Skype, Zoom and whatnot. They'll always be faster than flying across the ocean...
Yep, just like how the airlines killed passenger ships, Internet communication will prevent any possibility of supersonic passenger flights.
As a traveler that frequents TPAC flights in business class, I can tell you that I value hotel bed time more than airplane lie-flat time. Reducing the flight time on the brutal 12+ hour flights would be HUGE.
TBH, I just want high-speed railway, like the Shinkansen in Japan.
Exactly! Trains don't have all the extra boarding & disembarking times that planes have.
I want a supersonic train.
This time, they'll be so fast they'll arrive before they started.
I love airplanes so I’m glad that you don’t run out of ideas for this.
If you like Airplanes you might like my channel as well!
High speed internet has hurt the viability as well. When certain business absolutely had to be conducted in person there was real value to cutting a 6 hour flight in half to some people. But with the ability to work the entire flight in spacious first class or on a private jet the time doesn’t matter as much.
I’m going to try that Nebula & Curiosity Stream bundle one of these days. It actually looks great!
Well, Aerion just shut down, so now there's just two.
Both of them scams...
Another Challenge for Commercial flights is the increased Ground time in the post 9/11 world.
If you need to spend 2hrs on either end of a flight on the ground, knocking few hours off a shorter flight matters less. It would still help with longer haul routes like LA to Sydney if the plane has the range,
Wendover and Mustard. My two favorite channels! Great content as always!
"They'll then gather feedback from those on the ground, essentially asking if the sound is tolerable."
People tolerating sounds from aircraft would be a first...
They should test it on Florida, above the retirement homes.
- Boom? Nope. Hey George, did you hear any booms today?
- Can't hear you, my batteries are dead again.
I live in a town with a military airfield so we routinely hear a bunch of noise when they do testflights of fighter jets. It's a bit more than slamming a car door, i'll tell ya. Though i guess it's also more rare than commercial flight takeoffs.
@@volbla it's well known that Concorde was forbidden to fly over most of the US because of politics, not because of the noise.
@@cinegraphics I don't know that.
@@volbla sometimes fighter jets will fly super low between the hills at our property ~1 hr outside of san antonio. it happens very rarely, but when it does it feels like all of the windows in our house are going to shatter. it is fucking violently loud and shaky.
I still remember that video about why planes aren't faster, it's because people would rather fly a 7 hrs luxurious trip than a 3.5 hrs squeezed like a salmon in a tin
That's also a bullshit idea. Most people would much rather choose the shorter flight
Most people won't really be able to afford to choose...
yep we're still stuck with 7 hrs packed like sardines
@@kelly2631 plenty of people can afford business class
@@jaffacalling53 not the majority
@@jaffacalling53 lol no
It’s so hard to pay attention after noticing that
Every.
Sentence.
Ends.
Like.
This.
It’s a neuroatypical thing. Can’t actually hear the words anymore because I’m anticipating the pattern.
If you don't like it, don't watch it.
Same. It's extremely annoying.
Me: I wonder what Wendover is going to upload next?
Wendover: Planes ✈️.
A Wendover video about Planes. Hell yeah, exactly what I wanted. Thanks, Sam.